Meteor Feedback

[Fredjan]

If you BLMs are expecting to do amazing damage with this spell solo, think again.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh146/Fredjan_2007/Meteor2.png

This is with a Lv99 Laevateinn, following gear was used.

Lae99/Bugard+1/x/Witchstone
AF3+2/Goetia/Novio/Hecate's
AF3+2/AF3+2/Icesoul/Icesoul
Goetia/Sorcerer's/AF2+2/AF3+2

Didn't have +7 INT belt around me for some reason, but yeah, gives an idea.

Did another test comparing Comet and Meteor, using a dark path magian damage staff for Comet. Gear's the same in both spells except for the weapon. Obivously ES wasn't used for Meteor this time.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh146/Fredjan_2007/Meteor1.png

I understand it's meant to be a group spell, and I'll reserve judgment for that, but considering what most BLMs were hoping for, this is a severe disappointment. Talk about incredibly MP inefficient, as it costs 418 MP (209 with Parsimony). That brings it a whole new meaning. Of course, I do speak from a solo BLM perspective here.

Are there plans to make a similar spell meant for a solo BLM to cast to be worthwhile? I'd even be ok with it being light-based. Still better than we have atm as an alternative.

Also, the icon by Meteor indicates it could be dark elemental, but no, that doesn't matter. It's still non-elemental, for those hoping it could be dark. Even still, the damage wouldn't be much different.

Suppose the question is, how many BLMs would want to team up to test this the way it should really be tested?

[Metalgod]

There needs to be a base damage modification to Meteor for solo use. When blizzaja does more aoe dmg than meteor (used it with full goetia set/omega ring/witch's sash/diamond +6int ring/novio/hectae/ice sashet and Maleficus) on some mobs in abyssea (pulled a pile of mandies in abyssea) while using MM/ultimate/baying moon something isn't right.

Pulled 15 Fear Dearg's

average dmg for Meteor with above setup: 1168 per mob, 3 mobs got 1344 dmg
average dmg for Blizzaja with above setup: 1512 per mob, 4 mobs got 1728 dmg


So meteor needs to have a base dmg boost especially since its tied to a 10 min timer once it goes on the live servers in my opinion. This is supposed to be one of the ultimate spells and honestly if it went active as is, I'd not use it.

Other way to make it worth while:

1. Don't make it tied to elemental seal.
2. Make it useable anytime with a 2:30 recast.
3. Instead of a large base dmg increase, it can be a smaller one (still be more powerful than thundaja)
4. Make Elemental Seal also increase its dmg along with macc.

[Slib]

That's depressing damage. Even if it was really good with 6 black mages I would probably never end up using it because it is rare if I group with more than one black mage outside of Voidwatch random pickups. I would hate to see a unique spell like that be a waste for solo or even duo.

Anyways, tomorrow I will see if you are on and I'll send you a message so you have another black mage.

[Arcon]

Not sure what people expected, it was pretty useless from the moment it was announced that it was ES-exclusive, and especially not being elemental.

I'd still like to see how it works in a group situation, who knows, maybe it will be useful for timed nukes in certain scenarios. That's about the only thing I can see it being useful for right now.

Also, how exactly does group casting work? Will everyone get the new animations, or will there only be one animation, or several different animations, depending on the number of hits landed?

I wish I could log on the test server...

[Motenten]

Apparently the test information hasn't filtered over. Here's the final damage from a series of 7 tests using 6 blms (each using different gear, and varying cast order each time to determine the combination effect), courtesy of Byrth:



Resulting combined damage
41161
37943
44331
58338
61450
55085
62666


Yes, 60k damage from 6 blms, so an average of 10k damage each by contributing to this spell. This is not a solo spell, but it's far from useless.

Look here (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108196-Random-Facts-Thread-Magic?p=5088358&viewfull=1#post5088358) for more details.

[TimeMage]

This is not a solo spell, but it's far from useless.

With that damage, it's even MP efficient! And of course is the perfect candidate for a Parsimony charge, so...

[Daniel_Hatcher]

and especially not being elemental.

Don't ask for spells if you don't want them to be implemented the way it was in the games.

The spell is powerful, just not in solo play as intended from the offset (Hello opening movie,) they clearly aimed to block magical affinity for a reason.

[Alhanelem]

With that damage, it's even MP efficient! And of course is the perfect candidate for a Parsimony charge, so...
Parsimony? use Manawell.

Has anyone bothered to test the AoE radius? Is it just the same as any normal AoE spell? Is meteor still subject to -10% damage per target?

Edit: latter question was answered in that thread, and it actually seems to lose a little more damage on multiple targets than other spells.

[Sargent]

Judging from Byrth's testing on this, Meteor uses a different damage formula to normal nukes. Even Elemental magic skill plays a factor in it's damage, and INT plays more of a factor in this than other nukes.

[TimeMage]

Parsimony? use Manawell.

Oh! So true, I keep forgetting about that one.

[Alhanelem]

Dear SE:

This is quite possibly the coolest thing ever added to the game. PLEASE DON"T MESS WITH IT.

(and please don't let a certain director touch it)

[Economizer]

Parsimony? use Manawell.

Actually this one has been bugging me. I don't see why Meteor isn't just given an MP cost of 99999 and not limited by Elemental Seal. This way you'd be able to cast it with Manawell or under Manafont. Perhaps the devs wanted Manawell to be used tactically on other players in the party as well or something, however it would be nice if Meteor was castable under Manafont regardless of if Elemental Seal had been used or not.

[Alhanelem]

Actually this one has been bugging me. I don't see why Meteor isn't just given an MP cost of 99999 and not limited by Elemental Seal.It almost surely would have taken less work to code if they did it that way instead of making special rules for an ability.

[Ophannus]

Two things:


Are there plans to make a similar spell meant for a solo BLM to cast to be worthwhile?

Comet

Since this spell does absurd amount of damage 60-80k no doubt it will be extremely hard to obtain. If they're making Arise 'extremely difficult to obtain such that only a few WHMs will have it" then I can almost guarantee they will make Meteor hard to get because 60-80k damage ever 8-9 minutes is probably more broken than Arise can be.

[Trumpy]

did you already have a Laevateinn 99 or am i just missing the moogle that gives 99 relics/mythics/and such out?

[Fredjan]

Apparently the test information hasn't filtered over. Here's the final damage from a series of 7 tests using 6 blms (each using different gear, and varying cast order each time to determine the combination effect), courtesy of Byrth:



Yes, 60k damage from 6 blms, so an average of 10k damage each by contributing to this spell. This is not a solo spell, but it's far from useless.

Look here (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108196-Random-Facts-Thread-Magic?p=5088358&viewfull=1#post5088358) for more details.

Holy crap, that's awesome. Seriously. I should've checked BG.


did you already have a Laevateinn 99 or am i just missing the moogle that gives 99 relics/mythics/and such out?

The magian moogle can give them out. Check Trial # that rewards it > view reward > it asks if you want to obtain the item > profit.

[Trumpy]

ok thank you. i had heard someone say a while ago they got one and i had no idea how. does that include empy weapons too? was wondering if there was a way to test the new relics and stuff when they added the 99s to test server.

[Alhanelem]

Two things:



Comet

Since this spell does absurd amount of damage 60-80k no doubt it will be extremely hard to obtain. If they're making Arise 'extremely difficult to obtain such that only a few WHMs will have it" then I can almost guarantee they will make Meteor hard to get because 60-80k damage ever 8-9 minutes is probably more broken than Arise can be.

Both of them probably come from voidwatch's final battle or something, since they're in the same patch (or presumed to be in it)

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Not that anybody cares, but:

I went into ballista with a few people to test. I wanted to see if there was a status effect on the target or something while the other mages were completing their spells.

The combo-casting component does not work in Ballista. It may or may not be a bug (may want to try casting on a charmed player to confirm). If multiple BLMs cast meteor in ballista, it treats them all as the singular version of the spell.

Remember guys, the spell has a good right to be ridiculously powerful- You need to gather 5-6 BLMs for it to be worth the MP cost and use of Seal. Fewer than that, you should just multi-cast a Ja spell instead.

[Zirael]

ok thank you. i had heard someone say a while ago they got one and i had no idea how. does that include empy weapons too? was wondering if there was a way to test the new relics and stuff when they added the 99s to test server.
Yes, every weapon on every stage of the trials that goes through magian moogle (relic/empy/mythic/fake WoE/elemental path weapons). Have fun.

[Byrth]

Go to the trial you want to weapon from and choose the "Reward Item" option from the trial menu. It will give you the option to obtain the item.

[Fredjan]

Comet

I meant an AoE version of that "line" meant for a solo BLM. Comet obviously isn't AoE. Meteor obviously isn't for a solo BLM either. Meteor's viewed by some as an "AoE" version of Comet, myself included.


Since this spell does absurd amount of damage 60-80k no doubt it will be extremely hard to obtain. If they're making Arise 'extremely difficult to obtain such that only a few WHMs will have it" then I can almost guarantee they will make Meteor hard to get because 60-80k damage ever 8-9 minutes is probably more broken than Arise can be.

Arise isn't even broken. It's just a nifty spell that's different. If it granted no weakness and full HP, then, yes, it would be broken IMHO.

Honestly, I'm not sure. If they want people to be able to experience Meteor the way it's intended to be used, it can't be TOO difficult. The damage would imply it would be, yes, and it wouldn't surprise me if it ended up that way. Also since it's non-elemental, and the reality that not many BLM will have a Laevateinn, let alone do one, it'll be slightly weaker than we are discovering, as we all know MAB+60 on one item is "huge". I don't see it doing 60-80k when it hits the live servers, and some tests I've read have involved a few 99 Laevateinns. I'd say a more "realistic" test would involve grabbing the lv99 INT/MAB staves, as they'd be more common than even Dorjes. Heck, even Maleficus, as much as wearing one to nuke in makes me shudder as a serious BLM. Personal stigma against the sight of it, I guess.

[Alhanelem]

I meant an AoE version of that "line" meant for a solo BLM. Comet obviously isn't AoE. Meteor obviously isn't for a solo BLM either.The Ja spells function the same as comet and are AoE. The might not be the damage type you want, but the point is these spells are AoE and can be used solo and have the "successive use enhances potency" on them.

[solodragon1984]

have another black mage.

not sure who aimed at but i use blm on both main and test server. My server is levi. and don't have Meteor cause rarely do VW but on test server i have it and GREAT skill *Grins* character name is Pyame so hit me up tonight if your on.

[PerditionOfFenrir]

Sounds like blm got screwed, again.

[Auriga]

At least make this spell worth something if used solo, give it a lil more cast time but up the dmg!

[Nawesemo]

Yeah, if your getting fail numbers on this, your kung fu is not strong..... Gear, skill, etc.... It's not far off my thunder 5's, 2,950-3150s..on elements in sky (don't ask or I will kill you) but comet will usually do a good 2,800.... (Make that manawell useful)....