Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Ramsos]

Right now you can enter abyssea at level 30. No level 30 will be of any use in abyssea. Everyone just grinds to 30 outside abyssea so they can leech jobs to higher levels. We should just cut the middle man and just let people leech from lvl 1 if they want to. It makes as much sense as letting a level 30 enter.

Discuss :D

[Alkalinehoe]

I completely agree, even though it's more than likely a troll post.

[Ramsos]

I am annoyed at all the people complaining about the current level cap, but this is a serious topic.

[Miera]

/RAGE!!! :)

[Kirana]

I agree. SE needs to make up their minds regarding this issue. Either lower it to 1 and let the leech-fest begin, or raise it to 70 to stem the leeching. 30 is such a nonsensical level.

[Malamasala]

30 is the level of advanced jobs. And I believe the access point to CoP, ToAU, WotG, mini expansions. Basically 1-30 is the FFXI trial. If you are still here, feel free to do whatever.

[Dubberrucky]

I agree. SE needs to make up their minds regarding this issue. Either lower it to 1 and let the leech-fest begin, or raise it to 70 to stem the leeching. 30 is such a nonsensical level.

Agreed either end the leechfest or drive the people who like a challenge in leveling out once and for all make your mind up SE.

[Vivik]

I support this. I'm sick of having to level to 30 before I leech to 90. Such a waste of time.

[Gunit]

Agreed either end the leechfest or drive the people who like a challenge in leveling out once and for all make your mind up SE.

if you like a challenge then level outside of abyssea, no one is making you leach once you get to 30.

[Ezikiel]

Right now you can enter abyssea at level 30. No level 30 will be of any use in abyssea. Everyone just grinds to 30 outside abyssea so they can leech jobs to higher levels. We should just cut the middle man and just let people leech from lvl 1 if they want to. It makes as much sense as letting a level 30 enter.

Discuss :D

HAHAHA yes please can i have it although i no longer have any lvl 1's

[rog]

Gotta agree entirely. It's silly that i have to waste my time smn burning jobs up to 30 before i can get into abyssea to leech them up to 90.

[Odintius]

So get rid of all the old content and just make it ffxi abyssea done.

[Ica]

Agreed either end the leechfest or drive the people who like a challenge in leveling out once and for all make your mind up SE.

there are people who think leveling is challenging?

[Vivik]

So get rid of all the old content and just make it ffxi abyssea done.

Heck yus! That would be awesome!

[Dubberrucky]

if you like a challenge then level outside of abyssea, no one is making you leach once you get to 30.

no point in a mmo when you take out skill and social aspects. There are plenty of good offline games to solo in.

[bishop]

Cool and edgy troll post.

[Alkalinehoe]

there are people who think leveling is challenging?

This is news to me.

[viion]

yay get rid of pointless/useless grinding :D let me get to the fun stuff quicker. I support this

[Vinc]

I agree with this, abyssea exp is best exp.

[rog]

no point in a mmo when you take out skill and social aspects.
Yes there is.

[Vivik]

Cool and edgy troll post.

Almost as cool and edgy as your sig.

[Odintius]

Then there should be a level 1 mob that grants you lvl90 once killed so do even have to grind at all done.

[Vinc]

Then there should be a level 1 mob that grants you lvl90 once killed so do even have to grind at all done.

Nah this would be too easy. I'm all for the abyssea exp fulltime.

[bishop]

Almost as cool and edgy as your sig.

I enjoy getting hard. Just like Mac.

[Gunit]

no point in a mmo when you take out skill and social aspects. There are plenty of good offline games to solo in.

how did leaching in abyssea take out skill and social aspects of the game?

[Vinc]

how did leaching in abyssea take out skill and social aspects of the game?

It didn't, he is just trolling. Ignore it.

[Boldheart]

I say raise the lvl cap to 75. 75 cap is when they came out, so let it be a code and reward on being able to enter the outer realms hahahaha lol. No job below that lvl can really do anything beneficial anyways so let people skill up and learn there jobs from experience rather than leeching to 70-90.

[Ica]

Then there should be a level 1 mob that grants you lvl90 once killed so do even have to grind at all done.

No way! I like the social aspect of leeching with a bunch of people in abyssea... oh wait...nevermind, social interaction only happens in old-school parties. I forgot.

[rog]

Then there should be a level 1 mob that grants you lvl90 once killed so do even have to grind at all done.
Honestly, i would support removing exp entirely.

[Ezikiel]

I say raise the lvl cap to 75. 75 cap is when they came out, so let it be a code and reward on being able to enter the outer realms hahahaha lol. No job below that lvl can really do anything beneficial anyways so let people skill up and learn there jobs from experience rather than leeching to 70-90.

for all the whiners mad at abyssea get together and go do FoV

[rog]

No way! I like the social aspect of leeching with a bunch of people in abyssea... oh wait...nevermind, social interaction only happens in old-school parties. I forgot.
No, those require you to do work, which prevents you from socializing.

[Miera]

I'm betting this thread will reach a good 100 pages before someone makes a new thread about Leeching. <_<

[Alkalinehoe]

I say raise the lvl cap to 75. 75 cap is when they came out, so let it be a code and reward on being able to enter the outer realms hahahaha lol. No job below that lvl can really do anything beneficial anyways so let people skill up and learn there jobs from experience rather than leeching to 70-90.
If you're a remotely good player you shouldn't need to grind 75 levels to learn your job.

[Odintius]

I say raise the lvl cap to 75. 75 cap is when they came out, so let it be a code and reward on being able to enter the outer realms hahahaha lol. No job below that lvl can really do anything beneficial anyways so let people skill up and learn there jobs from experience rather than leeching to 70-90.

But that would require effort which seem to be diminishing everyday.

[Topdogg]

Honestly, i would support removing exp entirely.

This. Or make abyssea inaccessible til lvl 99.

[Musahashi]

Lol troll post ftw!

But for all the bandwagon players and leechers, how are your skills? lol!

[Vivik]

No way! I like the social aspect of leeching with a bunch of people in abyssea... oh wait...nevermind, social interaction only happens in old-school parties. I forgot.

Well yeah, old school parties I got yelled at for being a gimp, when I leech in Abyssea nobody cares!

[Alkalinehoe]

Lol troll post ftw!

But for all the bandwagon players and leechers, how are your skills? lol!

Capped, tyvm.

[bishop]

i think instead of gil, beastmen should drop exp.

[Greatguardian]

Lol troll post ftw!

But for all the bandwagon players and leechers, how are your skills? lol!

My skill caps bring the boys to the yard
And I'm like, they're better than yours
Darn right, they're better than yours

[rog]

Capped, tyvm.
Same here. Had all my skills up to at least 75+ within a day of leeching all the jobs i leeched up.

[Odintius]

I think all thief should transfer there hate over to the ppl who are afk etc lol

[Boldheart]

for all the whiners mad at abyssea get together and go do FoV

Im not mad at abyssea lol, I like it alot. Though for people to lvl there own jobs to 75 (and having the cap at 75) gives experience to people w/ there jobs thru combat. Shoot I start my own Abyssea Alliances all the time, but leeching is just to easy. I admit I leeched my NIN from 40-66 and I didnt really care to do it. LOL I was sick in bed while doing it also, I just feel like contributing rather than leeching and really that's the only job I have leeched. Skilling up that job is a pain but im getting it done. Hea I know this game is time consuming as it is so really I do appreciate the 30 cap, but some people leech to much and turn into lets say VAMPIRE's lol.

[Ezikiel]

I think all thief should transfer there hate over to the ppl who are afk etc lol

i have done that before LMAO

[Vivik]

This post has been deleted by the moderator.

I agree it should be Dynamis too. thanks, I completely forgot about Dynamis.

[Miera]

Asking a lady her skills? You disgust me, good sir!
/slap

Edit: dang it replyed to the wrong person. ;o

[Krystal]

I agree it should be Dynamis too. thanks, I completely forgot about Dynamis.

oh good lord above....it's a fricking troll topic....EVERYONE ABANDON THREAD!!!

[Miera]

I think all thief should transfer there hate over to the ppl who are afk etc lolI've seen that before, lol!

[Ramsos]

oh good lord above....it's a fricking troll topic....EVERYONE ABANDON THREAD!!!

I assure you, this is not a troll topic.

[Vivik]

oh good lord above....it's a fricking troll topic....EVERYONE ABANDON THREAD!!!

I'm being serious. Why, once you can get xp in Dynamis should there be a required level of 75? Abyssea is 30 and I think it's a load of crap.

[Boldheart]

If you're a remotely good player you shouldn't need to grind 75 levels to learn your job.

I agree here, but I have played w/ to many 90 jobs that dont do half of what the job can do. Not only cuz of their skills being in the lvl 50 area, but there playing style has fallen in sync yet. So they are all over the place.

[Zagen]

I don't have level 1 jobs anymore but I think this is an awesome idea. It would allow me to level my 25 WHM to 90 so that events my LS does don't get canceled when we have 0-1 healer online at the time of gathering. Not that 25-30 is hard just a lot slower on WHM than other jobs.

[rog]

I agree here, but I have played w/ to many 90 jobs that dont do half of what the job can do. Not only cuz of their skills being in the lvl 50 area, but there playing style has fallen in sync yet. So they are all over the place.That has been going on since the beginning of the game.

[Vivik]

I don't have level 1 jobs anymore but I think this is an awesome idea. It would allow me to level my 25 WHM to 90 so that events my LS does don't get canceled when we have 0-1 healer online at the time of gathering. Not that 25-30 is hard just a lot slower on WHM than other jobs.

Exactly my point. level1, level30, doesn't matter anymore.

[viion]

blah blah blah, so yeh, blah.

[Ica]

I agree here, but I have played w/ to many 90 jobs that dont do half of what the job can do. Not only cuz of their skills being in the lvl 50 area, but there playing style has fallen in sync yet. So they are all over the place.

It's been this way for years. There were just as many stupid 75s who leveled the hard way, back in the day, as there are stupid 90s who leeched in abyssea now.

[Henihhi]

Lol if abyssea is a "grind" then you're doing it wrong. Macro key run around like an idiot boom 90. I hate leeches as much as the next person, but if someone already did their pre quests for lvl cap and actually opens boxes, then i have no issue with it. And i still have not yet leeched a job to 90 that i didnt have 75 before abyssea release- damn i need to get on that when servers come back up.

[Ezikiel]

me personally i think from the time you log in the very 1st time you should start in abyssea in a party 500 keys, full 120 minutes and an extra 10 stones

[Vivik]

me personally i think from the time you log in the very 1st time you should start in abyssea in a party 500 keys, full 120 minutes and an extra 10 stones

Would be better than starting off with 60 gil like you do now.

[Rambus]

Really hope a mod cleans all these abyssea threads... this is getting out of hand:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2180-GM-help-plz

[Alhanelem]

Really sick of this subject coming up. There is no reason to change things here.

[Ramsos]

My thread is nothing like the other ones.

Unlike the people in other threads crying about wanting the abyssea lvl cap raised, this thread is about taking the logical step and lowering the cap that isnt needed.

SE intended people to leech in abyssea, there is no other excuse for them letting lvl 30 people in. My argument is that there shouldnt be a cap since a lvl 1 will do just as much good as a lvl 30. If SE didnt want people to leech in abyssea, they would have made the cap 65 like dynamis (though you could argue that a 65 is leeching in abyssea).

Why should my thread get merged with a nonsensical topic that has people crying about a mechanic that SE intended from the conception of the event (leeching).

[RaenRyong]

No, the cap must stay at 30. After all, anyone who doesn't level up to 30 without using SMN burns or Abyssea (if possible) is going to be useless at their job and hopelessly gimp.

God, I wish we could have skilful players again.

[rog]

God, I wish we could have skilful players again.
Maybe in your dreams. If you're lucky.

[Ramsos]

No, the cap must stay at 30. After all, anyone who doesn't level up to 30 without using SMN burns or Abyssea (if possible) is going to be useless at their job and hopelessly gimp.

God, I wish we could have skilful players again.

I am sure many of those 5/5 perle or aurore players you see running around didnt leech their jobs 30-90 in abyssea.

[RaenRyong]

I am sure many of those 5/5 perle or aurore players you see running around didnt leech their jobs 30-90 in abyssea.

I hope not. Back before the diabolic invention of Abyssea when people levelled skilfully, every 75 you saw was a shining example of their job.

[Greatguardian]

I hope not. Back before the diabolic invention of Abyssea when people levelled skilfully, every 75 you saw was a shining example of their job.

Abyssea was why BG had to invent the Gimp/Confused/WTF player thread, wasn't it?

[Kjara]

I think allowing the lv1 in abyssea would bring the RMTs back, be happy with lv30 limit and double exp out of abyssea already.

[RaenRyong]

Abyssea was why BG had to invent the Gimp/Confused/WTF player thread, wasn't it?

I believe a lot of players at level 75 heard about Abyssea and went out and bought gimp gear in protest, showing us what things would really be like if SE introduced such a terrible thing.

[Greatguardian]

I believe a lot of players at level 75 heard about Abyssea and went out and bought gimp gear in protest, showing us what things would really be like if SE introduced such a terrible thing.

They sure showed us.

[Vivik]

I think allowing the lv1 in abyssea would bring the RMTs back, be happy with lv30 limit and double exp out of abyssea already.

If RMT have not come back for level thirty leech, they wont be here for for level one.

[Ezikiel]

I think allowing the lv1 in abyssea would bring the RMTs back, be happy with lv30 limit and double exp out of abyssea already.

i only said that as a joke i think abyssea is fine the way it is im glad the RMT are gone. i was addicted to buying gil. lol kidding again i was a seller lol i cant stop myself. all seriousness i like waffles

[Nathos]

Why don't add an npc you pay 1k and get your job to lv 99 then instead of leeching/raising/lower cap? Seriously..

[Zarchery]

Except that if nobody had to do traditional parties, then those who want to couldn't. Just about every party I get is a level sync party below 30. After that people just hit Abyssea.

If you find levelling so unpleasant, don't do it. You don't need more than one job at the level cap to do endgame stuff.

[rog]

Why don't add an npc you pay 1k and get your job to lv 99 then instead of leeching/raising/lower cap? Seriously..See the thread below titled Remove experience points. That sounds like a great idea to me.

[Miera]

See the thread below titled Remove experience points. That sounds like a great idea to me.Might as well switch to FFXIV where you can only XP like once every few days or some crap. :D

[rog]

Might as well switch to FFXIV where you can only XP like once every few days or some crap. :D
No, that is the exact opposite of what i want.

[Sanjurio]

i don't know if this is the biggest bait topic for me in history or what..but i'm gonna bite...HARD!

You honestly know how to get under a lady's skin don't ya? and while their at it...why don't they drop the level cap on dyna as well? seriously....with players like you....who needs leaches?! dropping this cap would be the worst thing to and not to mention the stupidest in history....SE would KILL the game by doing this. no one would level the old way..nor would they have any aspect or concept of the game in any form...all they would know i abyssea...god forbid they actually do anything outside of it...they wouldn't know how to do ANYTHING. and you can say till the cows come home that"they would learn on their own" BULSHIT! a player learns to play this game by playing through the levels in a party and learns the basic through the experience of being that class. no guide can teach a player everything. and those who say "it can" are full of crap. instead of being lowered it needs RAISED to 70 or 75...

I do hope you realize that you are just bitching about the same thing that people bitched about when x2 Bard parties were all the rage right? When ToAU came out, and Bird parties started to emerge as the fastest way to get experience people were complaining that it didn't teach people about their jobs, etc etc, for an example of this, re-read 90% of your own posts to yourself.
What Square did to solve this, "problem" as many people saw it, was to come out with Campaign and the WoTG areas, and when people started calling that a problem because it was "too easy" and "people don't know how to play or gear their jobs properly." They came out with the Abyssea add-ons after that.

I'm probably leaving some random little fact out about some new camps that Square came out with inbetween, but it doesn't change the fact that, even if you keep bitching about Abyssea and the different level caps it has/could have/needs to have or whatever, they'll just come out with something new in the next 6~ months or so for you to bitch about and make Abyssea obsolete like they did with any of the Lv75 areas.
Pull the stick out of your ass, level your own way, let the leechers level how they want, leave your sever for a different one with less Abyssea or quit, whatever floats your boat, just remember, lower the cap to 1 would make it so much easier than having to Astral Burn jobs to 30, just sayin.

[HFX7686]

Okay, sounds like a fine idea.

[Zarchery]

Pull the stick out of your ass, level your own way, let the leechers level how they want, leave your sever for a different one with less Abyssea or quit, whatever floats your boat, just remember, lower the cap to 1 would make it so much easier than having to Astral Burn jobs to 30, just sayin.

I mentioned before, but if you removed the level 30 restriction, you'd be preventing those of us who prefer to level the old fashioned way from doing so. If you don't do traditional XP past 30, you wouldn't notice that the trend is level sync parties in Valkurm, Qufim, and Yuhtunga. There are some exceptions, but rarely. If you remove the requirement to get to 30 for Abyssea, you nearly eliminate the pool of potential players for regular XP, and by extension penalize those of us who DON'T want to do Abyssea parties.

I think the level 30 requirement is a decent compromise. If you don't like levelling, don't do it.

[Vivik]

I mentioned before, but if you removed the level 30 restriction, you'd be preventing those of us who prefer to level the old fashioned way from doing so. If you don't do traditional XP past 30, you wouldn't notice that the trend is level sync parties in Valkurm, Qufim, and Yuhtunga. There are some exceptions, but rarely. If you remove the requirement to get to 30 for Abyssea, you nearly eliminate the pool of potential players for regular XP, and by extension penalize those of us who DON'T want to do Abyssea parties.

I think the level 30 requirement is a decent compromise. If you don't like levelling, don't do it.

It's a small price to pay, I'm ok with it... and by ok with it I mean leeching starting at level one.

[Unaisis]

Chances are the lvl cap will stay at 30 for legal reasons, but if it could change i would totally support this move in the right direction lol

[HFX7686]

Chances are the lvl cap will stay at 30 for legal reasons, but if it could change i would totally support this move in the right direction lol

I'm sure they've changed the ToS in the past so they could probably change the product details for this. In fact, I remember them changing it a couple of times.

[Ryland]

I think we would all benefit from lowering the cap from 30 to 1 for the following reasons:

1- Because the idea is made of win, and nothing bad is possible to come from it. Fact.

2- Everyone hates levels 1-30 anyway, and no one wants to bother getting a chocobo license or doing kazham keys quest for whm mules they are leveling to dual box in abyssea.

3- If the level minimum gets dropped to 1, it creates more space on the AH because it won't be cluttered with gear from levels 1-30.

4- If the level limit was lowered to 1, no one would astral burn jobs anymore and not know how to play them. We all hate people who smn burn rite?

5- The minority player does not have any level 90 jobs or basic knowledge of game mechanics or the fact that haste is optional if you balance out other important stats like chr and vit comma therefore comma we are doing a service to the minority by allowing them to participate in "endgame" while still being naive little shits with their rank 2 social status.

6- Keeping the level limit at 30 puts a damper on partying, because we all know that no one exps in groups pre-30 anymore. Everyone solos or power levels themselves to 30, and then exp with a group in abyssea.

7- If the level limit were 1 instead of 30, I could wear my event gear all the time and it would be level appropriate. Who doesnt want to be dressed like a slutty santa kitty while rolling in billions of exp?

8- Lowering the cap to 1 increases the chances to get seals to +1 AF3, which is beneficial because then people "suck less(tm)" when they reach level 90.

9- I'm right and you're wrong.

10- The fact is your opinion doesn't matter, and I'm going to add you all to my ignore list.

[Nemesio]

I personally feel this will better the game.

[Henihhi]

Lol thank you! Wish this forum had some kind of thanks or rank up/down function

[Kuishen]

Hear ye hear ye.

[HFX7686]

Personally, I don't understand the obsession with keeping the game unchanged from 2004. I remember 2004. It took me almost a year to get my first level 75. Fortunately, I was too dumb back then to realise how horrible it was. Now I do. I'd rather level whatever job faster and funner while doing other things when I can.

[Kuishen]

Personally, I don't understand the obsession with keeping the game unchanged from 2004. I remember 2004. It took me almost a year to get my first level 75. Fortunately, I was too dumb back then to realise how horrible it was. Now I do. I'd rather level whatever job faster and funner while doing other things when I can.

Obviously because they think that FFXI is turning into WoW or some other retarded crap that is completely baseless.

[Unaisis]

in all honesty lol i think SE isnt going to change the level cap xD. Just like Summoner burns~ Abyssea is a legit way of leveling~ no matter the cap

[Terrigenesis]

Horrible idea. Just as bad as Level Sync was.

[Henihhi]

Honestly, i don't care how someone leveled the job as long as they have a basic understanding, and and all ws/spells/w/e up to date when they ask to get invited. I like old school yes, because those people have skills most the way there already, but i will not tell someone no who has at least the basics covered. But yes if you lvled to 90 in abyssea, are too lazy to go spam a melee hit to skill up or get your blu spells I am not going to hand you anything. Because you suck. Period. Oh and if you show up half naked and don't gear swap /kick <this is for you>

[Kuishen]

Horrible idea. Just as bad as Level Sync was.

uh..... wat

[Vivik]

Horrible idea. Just as bad as Level Sync was.

Yeah, they both promote freedom of play, which some of us have taken a little too far. SE needs to pull in the reigns and get it under control!

[Pharaun]

This is the greatest idea to come out of these forums.

[HFX7686]

This is the greatest idea to come out of these forums.

I agree! Let's bandwagon this all the way to the top!

[Greatguardian]

I would suggest making more threads about this in order to prove that it is a legit issue, but for some reason I feel like that would compromise the integrity of the forums. Thoughts?

[Henihhi]

Seriously if everyone did their pre quests to break caps, what is the issue? That means they already lvled a job, already farmed items/beat maat/ turned in merits etc. If you have an issue with leeches make your own alliance and /kick

[Vivik]

I would suggest making more threads about this in order to prove that it is a legit issue, but for some reason I feel like that would compromise the integrity of the forums. Thoughts?

I would make 30 threads about this if it helped get it changed. I can't be arsed to level 1-30 anymore. As it is I make my 10 year old do it for me.

[Alhanelem]

Don't feed the trolls.

[Chumm]

I think this is an excellent idea. FFXI is about teamwork, and when my team and I go into Abyssea to level each other's lower level jobs it reminds me why I continue to subscribe, because unlike many other MMOs this is a team-based game. Currently, leveling outside of Abyssea is largely a solo experience, and that is not what FFXI means to me!

[HFX7686]

I would make 30 threads about this if it helped get it changed. I can't be arsed to level 1-30 anymore. As it is I make my 10 year old do it for me.

Hmm, I never thought of this. I only have two or three jobs below 30 anyway.

I could start another character one day though!

[Henihhi]

Amen to that- abyssea took a lot of the old commradeary<sp> out of the game that used to be there . Would be nice to see that kind of teamwork make a comeback.

[Pharaun]

I just started a whm mule before the servers went down and the thought that I wouldn't have to finish leveling it or it's subs to 30 would make me a very happy man.

[Rosalie]

roflcopters are now taking off everywhere!

why not just hand the RMT's 100 billion gil while you're at it!!

[Vivik]

roflcopters are now taking off everywhere!

why not just hand the RMT's 100 billion gil while you're at it!!

I think handing them 100 million dollars would be much more efficient.

[Henihhi]

Lol for RMT to enter at lvl 1 they would need previously lvled characters to kill for them- or do you seriously think a whole lvl 1 ally can kill shit in abyssea? I mean no offence by this, but i have some serious idiocy from people on these forums so i do have to ask.

[rog]

Lol for RMT to enter at lvl 1 they would need previously lvled characters to kill for them- or do you seriously think a whole lvl 1 ally can kill shit in abyssea? I mean no offence by this, but i have some serious idiocy from people on these forums so i do have to ask.
Not like it's hard to get a hold of a single level 90 character.

[Henihhi]

And the rmt are gonna speed lvl to sell what exactly? They wouldnt even be here if retards hadnt bought gil in the past. But considering theres not much worth it to sell, and not many people buying gil like there used to be- how is this even a valid arguement?

[KorPoni]

Personally, I'm not even bothering to enter abyssea until I get to 75. Won't even get the expansions. I've been in there on an older character, and it slows down bad and makes the runs give everyone ALOT less experience when people anything below 75 step in. I can understand a key person, but technically that's not a leech.

I think minimum should be brought up to 75. That would end the constant 30 people wanting to be "key holders" and the 20 that'll sneak a job change once in, and leave like 5 people 75+ even doing anything to the monsters the group is fighting, just for the group to time out as a result. Or, even worse, the group to wipe just because there's not enough man power to handle what the group's fighting.

[Vivik]

Personally, I'm not even bothering to enter abyssea until I get to 75. Won't even get the expansions. I've been in there on an older character, and it slows down bad and makes the runs give everyone ALOT less experience when people anything below 75 step in. I can understand a key person, but technically that's not a leech.

I think minimum should be brought up to 75. That would end the constant 30 people wanting to be "key holders" and the 20 that'll sneak a job change once in, and leave like 5 people 75+ even doing anything to the monsters the group is fighting, just for the group to time out as a result. Or, even worse, the group to wipe just because there's not enough man power to handle what the group's fighting.

In a good abyssea xp party a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.

[Vinc]

In a good abyssea xp party a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.
For DD:

-|--------|----------------------|
30-------75---------------------90

Certainly useless, but not as useless as you say. Just as well, 90% of the DD in a pickup group will be wearing full perle (if even), and lacking most useful atma anyways as they are too busy posting here complaining about leeches to get gear - because of this a well geared 75 could probably outparse any number of them.

[Kuishen]

Personally, I'm not even bothering to enter abyssea until I get to 75. Won't even get the expansions. I've been in there on an older character, and it slows down bad and makes the runs give everyone ALOT less experience when people anything below 75 step in. I can understand a key person, but technically that's not a leech.

I think minimum should be brought up to 75. That would end the constant 30 people wanting to be "key holders" and the 20 that'll sneak a job change once in, and leave like 5 people 75+ even doing anything to the monsters the group is fighting, just for the group to time out as a result. Or, even worse, the group to wipe just because there's not enough man power to handle what the group's fighting.

If you even have 2 75+ DDs that are worth a damn, good gear/atmas etc. then you should never time out, even with ruby lights capped.

It seems to me that a lot of these people's arguments for raising the cap are hinged on the fact that they are, or play with absolutely terrible players.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

lol I can not agree more, I went in at 75, my LS mates wanted me to come with them so I could get two of my first three NM bosses done, I went......but found out every quickly that I could do nothing ;p I ended up openeing chests and listing to the LS explain things to me, I learned alot, but I felt bad that I really could not contribute much. I did use Angon when I could though, so I was not a complete waste of space ^.^

My main problem I have to address is that my DNC and DRG both are still geared as 75 was the cap ( quit a year ago and just came back) So gear wise I have to get new stuff as I level and readjust all my macros and gear swaps to accommodate the changes.

[Henihhi]

My guess would be they are/or play with terrible players. Most half decent blms can 1-2 shot ephs to cap azure very fast and if your dd cant get pearl as quickly, you need to boot them . I honestly get more tes 4 manning with friends than in an actualy abyssea party because my friends arent mentally chalenged.SE gives leaders the kick option for a reason learn to use it.

[Vivik]

For DD:

-|--------|----------------------|
30-------75---------------------90

Certainly useless, but not as useless as you say. Just as well, 90% of the DD in a pickup group will be wearing full perle (if even), and lacking most useful atma anyways as they are too busy posting here complaining about leeches to get gear - because of this a well geared 75 could probably outparse any number of them.

You level in pickup groups? How barbaric. Maybe I should have been more clear. In my experience/cruor farm parties a level 75 is just as useless as a level 30.

But to stay on topic here we are discussing lowering it from 30 to 1 which is even less of a difference than 75-30.

[Yarly]

I approve of this idea. Let's do it!

[Jkr]

lv 1 in abyssea yes please.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I agree. SE needs to make up their minds regarding this issue. Either lower it to 1 and let the leech-fest begin, or raise it to 70 to stem the leeching. 30 is such a nonsensical level.It was an attempt to stop gilfinder PLing, which of course didn't work.

[Greatguardian]

I doubt it had much to do with RMT. Rather, 30 has been the typical level where "The game starts". Advanced jobs are unlocked, the beginning of CoP is level 30, etc.

[Eadieni]

I'd honestly rather they just keep adding ways to make leveling outside of abyssea better. I don't want to see an empty world, it's ... well its lame. The level 30 limit is the only thing keeping people in Dunes and Qufim really, but other leveling areas are just plain dead. Perhaps the key to fixing this is to remove the EXP reduction for additional party members outside of abyssea. So that, an even match gives 100 EXP to all 6 players, to all 18. Yes, it sounds broken on the front, but does that really change things now that abyssea is what it is?
I don't see anything wrong with a party of 12 getting 500 exp a kill, with exp chains, in Qufim. All they have to do is make it based on the exp of the highest level of the party, so it still forces a level sync.

Well, since this post will be lost, I think I'll make a thread about it instead.

[woie]

NO... that is all

[Kailea_Nagisa]

alliance parties out side of Abyssea should not happen for EXP, keep it at 6, but I do agree about dropping the EXP thinges, a PT of 6 getting 500EXP a kill (off IT++s)would not be to bad.

[Eadieni]

alliance parties out side of Abyssea should not happen for EXP, keep it at 6, but I do agree about dropping the EXP thinges, a PT of 6 getting 500EXP a kill (off IT++s)would not be to bad.

I started a new thread for it, so as to not hijack his thread, but yeah. The point is, something needs to be the counter to abyssea outside in the world. In abyssea you can go from 30 to 90, and 20 merits, in a day. In one party. You just can't compete with that at 400 a kill, with somewhat slow kills with resting required until higher levels.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I don't think lowering to lvl 1 would make sense

i mean at least subjob level (18) at minimum..

regardless of that now tho... exp is easy enough to get outside of abyssea.. even solo.. that its not a huge deal if you can't find a party...

getting 1400 exp a kill with a band.. doesn't take all that long to get a job to 70ish + which is effective in an abyssea pt.

Most of the time you can find other people doing pages also and join up with them.. not the traditional parties of ffxi but its more relaxed.

edit i'm not saying i think the cap should be raised to 70.. i think its fine as is.. but wouldn't care if it was lowered.. being raised wouldn't make much sense to me tho.

[Malamasala]

I don't want to see an empty world, it's ... well its lame.

I'm sorry to say this, but the game was empty since 2004. You only exped in about 10 zones total. Now you exp in 9 abyssea zones... huge difference, huh?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'm sorry to say this, but the game was empty since 2004. You only exped in about 10 zones total. Now you exp in 9 abyssea zones... huge difference, huh?It was more about 20, depended on were you prefered to XP and your PT build. Though, level-sync lowered that number.

[HFX7686]

1-10 had most people exping in West Ronfaure and South Gustaberg (with the odd person in the Windurst areas)
10-20 was Valkurm.
20-25 was Qufim.
25-30 was Yuhtunga and Yhoator.
30-35 was Garlaige and Altepa.
35-45 was Crawler's Nest and Gustav.
45-55 was Kuftal and Boyahda.
55-60 was Terrigan and Boyahda.
60-70 was Ro'Maeve?
70-75 was sky.

So that's about 16-17 areas that were the "normal" party areas? There were probably more or it was slightly different. I can't remember, 2004 was a long time ago!

[Henihhi]

60-70 was outside in sky if you didnt have total retards w/o sky access yet, like flamingo and pot mobs at the entrance -fun stuff- but alas a lot of people could not even make it through zilart without their hand being held. Those were fun times =D

[JagerForrester]

Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1. Discuss :D

/facepalms
(whiney voice) Noooo..

[Kaych]

You should have a job to 75+ before you can go in Abyssea with a lvl 1 job imo^_-

[TearValerin]

This idea is slightly, if not totally ridiculous. To even relish the thought is ludicrous. Abyssea is currently fine as is, it does not need any level changes, and if it did, the cap should go up, not down.

[Wade]

I prefer to stay out of Abbysea for now, but then I am still messing around on my new characters doing low level stuff. I have no desire to leech. As for the limit, I don't really care. It's up to the person playing on how they want to play the game. The question is, would they actually get any Experience Points at level 1?

[Beowolf]

other erea 60+ labrynth of onzozo, cats. and bubu peninsula, birds~gobs~catoblepas

[Samunai]

I support this. I'm sick of having to level to 30 before I leech to 90. Such a waste of time.

aint the idea to get to level 30 to see if u like a job? or u just gonna level it and just dont use it anymore?

[Samunai]

I prefer to stay out of Abbysea for now, but then I am still messing around on my new characters doing low level stuff. I have no desire to leech. As for the limit, I don't really care. It's up to the person playing on how they want to play the game. The question is, would they actually get any Experience Points at level 1?

not from the mobs they wont but from the exp box they can :o

[Wade]

aint the idea to get to level 30 to see if u like a job? or u just gonna level it and just dont use it anymore?

I think that was the old idea, an idea that still sticks with some of us "Old Timers" :D. Now it's all about how fast you can get to 90.

[Mrbeansman]

Fun fact did you know that once you get a job to 90 there's a bunch of really cool stuff you can do that you couldn't do before.

[Legomike]

i didnt read much but lower it to 10 thats when you can sync and it only takes 30min to get

[Wade]

Fun fact did you know that once you get a job to 90 there's a bunch of really cool stuff you can do that you couldn't do before.

Fun fact, did you know there is a bunch of really cool stuff you can do before you get to 90? I know, it's crazy! :P

[Kingofgeeks]

obvious troll is obvious, but it is a good point. if people leech from 30, they don't know how to play their job, so why not leech from level 1? its not like they could be any more noobish

[Ica]

or u just gonna level it and just dont use it anymore?

Yes.

Also, it used to take me personally MUCH longer than to 30 to see if I liked a job. A few jobs are sitting at 50-ish right now because I loved them up to that point, then quit. So what's the difference?

Also, who cares? It's not anyone's time lost but mine if I decide I don't like the damn job.

[Vivik]

aint the idea to get to level 30 to see if u like a job? or u just gonna level it and just dont use it anymore?

All of the bandwagon sams that are now bandwagon monks disagree with you.

[Greatguardian]

All of the bandwagon sams that are now bandwagon monks disagree with you.

Bandwagon Mnks? My experience working on weapons tells me it's more like Bandwagon Kannagi :( it's like a warzone trying to get Briareus or Sobek

[Ezikiel]

i thought this was a good idea posting where relevant
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2316-Exp-Merits

[pim-ptarutaru]

My thread is nothing like the other ones.

Unlike the people in other threads crying about wanting the abyssea lvl cap raised, this thread is about taking the logical step and lowering the cap that isnt needed.

SE intended people to leech in abyssea, there is no other excuse for them letting lvl 30 people in. My argument is that there shouldnt be a cap since a lvl 1 will do just as much good as a lvl 30. If SE didnt want people to leech in abyssea, they would have made the cap 65 like dynamis (though you could argue that a 65 is leeching in abyssea).

Why should my thread get merged with a nonsensical topic that has people crying about a mechanic that SE intended from the conception of the event (leeching).

They gave you more xp when you kill a mob, they also took out the time wait on FOV. Just go out and get 30 its not hard anymore. Don't hold your breath that it will be reduced to lv 1 because the way it looks there giving us easier ways to get to lv 30 for xp.

[Vivik]

They gave you more xp when you kill a mob, they also took out the time wait on FOV. Just go out and get 30 its not hard anymore. Don't hold your breath that it will be reduced to lv 1 because the way it looks there giving us easier ways to get to lv 30 for xp.

It would be even easier to leech it to 30.

[Lynchilles]

It took me like 2 days to get dancer from level 1 to 30. That is just obnoxious. I wasn't able to rescue kittens out of trees and read to the blind because I had to actually sit there and level instead of just AFK in abyssea and leech.

Seriously: think of the kittens.

I approve of this thread and embrace all its supporting ideas.

(p.s. Hi Viv & Ica)

[pim-ptarutaru]

It would be even easier to leech it to 30.

Yes the key word is easy. Main thing I hate about this game is everything is to damn easy these days lol. TBH part of me would love the old school parties, but at the same time i love abyssea. thats where the 1-30 comes in gets me threw it then go back to abyssea lol. by the time i hit lv 30 im like ok im ready to go back to abyssea pts lol. Anyways I doubt SE will do anything to change the cap. IMO its fine where its at

[pim-ptarutaru]

It took me like 2 days to get dancer from level 1 to 30. That is just obnoxious. I wasn't able to rescue kittens out of trees and read to the blind because I had to actually sit there and level instead of just AFK in abyssea and leech.

Seriously: think of the kittens.

I approve of this thread and embrace all its supporting ideas.

(p.s. Hi Viv & Ica)

Na you would prolly be to busy collecting seals or jewels/cards to be helping the kittens! ^_~

[GERM]

yeah I would rather just waste my time leeching other peoples exp and time then actually learning to play a job at all.. I mean heck why not just lower it to 1 in fact why not just reduce the difficulty of all the mobs in the game and make everything 1 shottable by any job? I mean I don't understand the point in wasteing my time learning to play this game anyway since the difficulty and the time put into the game is just worthless since all I want to do is make it to the end game and then ask all the people who actually learned to play the game on what Im suppose to do and maybe just maybe I can then annoy others who worked hard to get to that point and earned their levels and make them want to quit playing because FFXI just turned into WoW and the average age level will also be reduced to 10 too so we have a big Halo fest and in game trolling because no one would understand anything about the dynamics of the game, why? oh wait there isn't any dynamics left thats right because we just spammed the easy button and made it pointles to learn anything.. After they do that, then maybe they will just start making the mobs drop 1M gil each and kill the economy while we are at because we all know that the point of an economy is to just buy whatever you want whenever you want without the challenge of working for it.. I mean while we are at it we can increase skill ups on crafts and combat/magic skills so they go up 1 whole point on every use, I mean after I just leeched 99 levels and I don't have a clue on a job that im playing I would like to just raise my caps so I can effectivly FAIL at everything I do since technique is no longer needed.. remember we can 1 shot everything.. Then Im going to drop out of school marry a doctor or a lawyer and sit at home and leech his/her hard earned income too since you know everything in life should be just as easy as it is a game because hell who wants to spent time doing anything thats worth doing at all? Maybe I can move back in with my parents and just hang out all day let them raise my children or even better yet just let the gov. pay for everything because they can create money like SqEnix can gil.. I mean if its unlimited it should just be given away right?
Oh yeah and maybe SqEnix can just start controlling AH too they can just put 50 of everything on the AH each week so we can just screw the people that learned to craft or farm or have developed a sense of purpose for their character.. that way more people can troll about more important things like, well like the price of tea in china.. hey I like tea its tastey ... and you know because they implemented all these ideas I think Ill just start crap about other MMO's because they are too hard.. I mean I might just get a leap frog toy and see if I can figure out how to do the alphabet then...
You while we are just making things so much easier I think they should just sell all the end game gear from NPC for like 100 gil .. I mean I would love to just have all these items and not have to work for any of it just to look and be geared like the elite players in the game.. HAHA who cares about them.. they just wasted ALL their time in this game getting all that stuff and they just had to wait for 8 years after it came out just to buy it from an NPC.. I mean questing whats the point of that, its just a waste of time having to from point A to point B and complete an objective.. what a waste of brain power.. Maybe SqEnix will just allow 3rd party software and I can just click a check box and have all the missions completed so I can just reap the rewards.. I mean storyline? I didn't even learn to read because hooked on phonics made me dial a phone number to purchase it.. Oh this is a GREAT IDEA!!! whoes with me?

[Kuishen]

drivel

The mad is strong with this one.

Only thing I'm going to reply to is: You do not need to level the job the old way to learn how to play it, if you honestly believe that you need to get out and stop posting.

[pim-ptarutaru]

yeah I would rather just waste my time leeching other peoples exp and time then actually learning to play a job at all.. I mean heck why not just lower it to 1 in fact why not just reduce the difficulty of all the mobs in the game and make everything 1 shottable by any job? I mean I don't understand the point in wasteing my time learning to play this game anyway since the difficulty and the time put into the game is just worthless since all I want to do is make it to the end game and then ask all the people who actually learned to play the game on what Im suppose to do and maybe just maybe I can then annoy others who worked hard to get to that point and earned their levels and make them want to quit playing because FFXI just turned into WoW and the average age level will also be reduced to 10 too so we have a big Halo fest and in game trolling because no one would understand anything about the dynamics of the game, why? oh wait there isn't any dynamics left thats right because we just spammed the easy button and made it pointles to learn anything.. After they do that, then maybe they will just start making the mobs drop 1M gil each and kill the economy while we are at because we all know that the point of an economy is to just buy whatever you want whenever you want without the challenge of working for it.. I mean while we are at it we can increase skill ups on crafts and combat/magic skills so they go up 1 whole point on every use, I mean after I just leeched 99 levels and I don't have a clue on a job that im playing I would like to just raise my caps so I can effectivly FAIL at everything I do since technique is no longer needed.. remember we can 1 shot everything.. Then Im going to drop out of school marry a doctor or a lawyer and sit at home and leech his/her hard earned income too since you know everything in life should be just as easy as it is a game because hell who wants to spent time doing anything thats worth doing at all? Maybe I can move back in with my parents and just hang out all day let them raise my children or even better yet just let the gov. pay for everything because they can create money like SqEnix can gil.. I mean if its unlimited it should just be given away right?
Oh yeah and maybe SqEnix can just start controlling AH too they can just put 50 of everything on the AH each week so we can just screw the people that learned to craft or farm or have developed a sense of purpose for their character.. that way more people can troll about more important things like, well like the price of tea in china.. hey I like tea its tastey ... and you know because they implemented all these ideas I think Ill just start crap about other MMO's because they are too hard.. I mean I might just get a leap frog toy and see if I can figure out how to do the alphabet then...
You while we are just making things so much easier I think they should just sell all the end game gear from NPC for like 100 gil .. I mean I would love to just have all these items and not have to work for any of it just to look and be geared like the elite players in the game.. HAHA who cares about them.. they just wasted ALL their time in this game getting all that stuff and they just had to wait for 8 years after it came out just to buy it from an NPC.. I mean questing whats the point of that, its just a waste of time having to from point A to point B and complete an objective.. what a waste of brain power.. Maybe SqEnix will just allow 3rd party software and I can just click a check box and have all the missions completed so I can just reap the rewards.. I mean storyline? I didn't even learn to read because hooked on phonics made me dial a phone number to purchase it.. Oh this is a GREAT IDEA!!! whoes with me?

LOL BEST POST ON THIS FORUM~ I so agree with you!

[Cream_Soda]

I support this thread

[GERM]

Only thing I'm going to reply to is: You do not need to level the job the old way to learn how to play it, if you honestly believe that you need to get out and stop posting.

from my experience in the game the majority of people that have partaken in events after doing this cause the IQ to drop.. NOT all but a lot of.. and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job.. I mean if you let a new person do this you just took out the concept of party play all they see is WS WS nuke WS level up.. oh wait theres a mage healing.. even after you have 1 90 job to go out and expect a person to play a different role and beable to play it effectivly is absurd.. You can't go from SAM to PLD to RDM without learning the importance of party play and your not getting that experience in dynamis.. Its one thing to have COR leveled and then just leech BRD its the same kind of role just different abilities and play style same with learning RDM and BLM and WHM then leveling SCH there is just a basic idea of how to play a job.. go ahead lvl SAM then leech your war drk mnk rng drg and every other DD its the same concept there you melee and use abilities but to just go from 1-99 leveling your first job as a DD then turning around leeching BLM to 99 ?? I don't want that guy in my abyssea party.. How many have actually made the accidental mistake casting an AoE because they didn't know the range or because they didn't realize what it does.. put one of those people in your 3 pop item abyssea party and watch them MPK your party.. its not the idea that its everyone has to "work" to achieve but to train to achieve..

[Greatguardian]

from my experience in the game the majority of people that have partaken in events after doing this cause the IQ to drop.. NOT all but a lot of.. and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job.. I mean if you let a new person do this you just took out the concept of party play all they see is WS WS nuke WS level up.. oh wait theres a mage healing.. even after you have 1 90 job to go out and expect a person to play a different role and beable to play it effectivly is absurd.. You can't go from SAM to PLD to RDM without learning the importance of party play and your not getting that experience in dynamis.. Its one thing to have COR leveled and then just leech BRD its the same kind of role just different abilities and play style same with learning RDM and BLM and WHM then leveling SCH there is just a basic idea of how to play a job.. go ahead lvl SAM then leech your war drk mnk rng drg and every other DD its the same concept there you melee and use abilities but to just go from 1-99 leveling your first job as a DD then turning around leeching BLM to 99 ?? I don't want that guy in my abyssea party.. How many have actually made the accidental mistake casting an AoE because they didn't know the range or because they didn't realize what it does.. put one of those people in your 3 pop item abyssea party and watch them MPK your party.. its not the idea that its everyone has to "work" to achieve but to train to achieve..

Please understand that I am being 100% sincere when I say this. I am not trolling you or anything.

But I really just cannot read past 3 or 4 lines of anything you post when there are no line or paragraph breaks. It's just a huge wall of text and whatever idea you may be trying to convey with it is lost in a giant pile of words. It would immensely help in the communication of your ideas if you were to break your thoughts up into paragraphs and complete sentences when posting.

[Alkalinehoe]

I don't want that guy in my abyssea party.
We don't want you either.

[Kuishen]

from my experience in the game the majority of people that have partaken in events after doing this cause the IQ to drop.. NOT all but a lot of.. and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job.. I mean if you let a new person do this you just took out the concept of party play all they see is WS WS nuke WS level up.. oh wait theres a mage healing.. even after you have 1 90 job to go out and expect a person to play a different role and beable to play it effectivly is absurd.. You can't go from SAM to PLD to RDM without learning the importance of party play and your not getting that experience in dynamis.. Its one thing to have COR leveled and then just leech BRD its the same kind of role just different abilities and play style same with learning RDM and BLM and WHM then leveling SCH there is just a basic idea of how to play a job.. go ahead lvl SAM then leech your war drk mnk rng drg and every other DD its the same concept there you melee and use abilities but to just go from 1-99 leveling your first job as a DD then turning around leeching BLM to 99 ?? I don't want that guy in my abyssea party.. How many have actually made the accidental mistake casting an AoE because they didn't know the range or because they didn't realize what it does.. put one of those people in your 3 pop item abyssea party and watch them MPK your party.. its not the idea that its everyone has to "work" to achieve but to train to achieve..

Half of your post makes absolutely no sense. Especially this gem:


and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job..

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Also half of the stuff you mentioned you don't learn from exping the old way anyways. BLMs don't AoE in exp parties, so how do they learn to do that from exping the old way?

Your posts are causing my IQ to drop, I have RDM SAM THF NIN levelled and I could pick up BRD in an instant with no support job background and know how to gear it and be excellent at the job in a matter of hours. Forcing me to level it for weeks at a time is going to do nothing but make me hate exping, again.

[Sama]

I don't know what's up with you kids; SE already removed the time delay on the FoV, in which, I was able to solo 5~6k xp per hour as BRD. This idea will just create more and more leechies...

[pim-ptarutaru]

from my experience in the game the majority of people that have partaken in events after doing this cause the IQ to drop.. NOT all but a lot of.. and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job.. I mean if you let a new person do this you just took out the concept of party play all they see is WS WS nuke WS level up.. oh wait theres a mage healing.. even after you have 1 90 job to go out and expect a person to play a different role and beable to play it effectivly is absurd.. You can't go from SAM to PLD to RDM without learning the importance of party play and your not getting that experience in dynamis.. Its one thing to have COR leveled and then just leech BRD its the same kind of role just different abilities and play style same with learning RDM and BLM and WHM then leveling SCH there is just a basic idea of how to play a job.. go ahead lvl SAM then leech your war drk mnk rng drg and every other DD its the same concept there you melee and use abilities but to just go from 1-99 leveling your first job as a DD then turning around leeching BLM to 99 ?? I don't want that guy in my abyssea party.. How many have actually made the accidental mistake casting an AoE because they didn't know the range or because they didn't realize what it does.. put one of those people in your 3 pop item abyssea party and watch them MPK your party.. its not the idea that its everyone has to "work" to achieve but to train to achieve..

LOL this is so true. did a simple seal run and the blm we had for triggers was just spam nuking/aoe while we were fighting NMs and kept hitting other mobs... was still able to kill nm but took longer then needed... He said he was sorry he got his 1st job to 90 an hour b4 joining our group. Told us that he went 30-90 in abyssea... so I do not support this thread because there are always new players andif all they do is leech... we are all going to be in trouble lol...

[pim-ptarutaru]

I don't know what's up with you kids; SE already removed the time delay on the FoV, in which, I was able to solo 5~6k xp per hour as BRD. This idea will just create more and more leechies...

Thats exactly what I said in another post lol

[Kuishen]

LOL this is so true. did a simple seal run and the blm we had for triggers was just spam nuking/aoe while we were fighting NMs and kept hitting other mobs... was still able to kill nm but took longer then needed... He said he was sorry he got his 1st job to 90 an hour b4 joining our group. Told us that he went 30-90 in abyssea... so I do not support this thread because there are always new players andif all they do is leech... we are all going to be in trouble lol...

Yes cause leeching was his only problem... Get out of this thread.

[GERM]

But I really just cannot read past 3 or 4 lines of anything you post when there are no line or paragraph breaks. It's just a huge wall of text and whatever idea you may be trying to convey with it is lost in a giant pile of words. It would immensely help in the communication of your ideas if you were to break your thoughts up into paragraphs and complete sentences when posting.

I apologize, i will go back and edit it I do understand what your saying..


and we cannot judge to let the people who can grasp the concept of a job have an advantage over the person who doesn't understand the dynamics of a job..
it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

BLMs don't AoE in exp parties
your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

Your posts are causing my IQ to drop, I have RDM SAM THF NIN levelled and I could pick up BRD in an instant with no support job background and know how to gear it and be excellent at the job in a matter of hours
your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist to this degree.. no person actually makes your IQ drop it was just a phrase used, but I have played with people that don't understand a concept of a job and it makes you want to pull your hair out explaining something over and over when they could and should of learned this way before abyssea
you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

[pim-ptarutaru]

Yes cause leeching was his only problem... Get out of this thread.

Na I think i'll stay because people like you make me laugh :)

[Mrbeansman]

I apologize, i will go back and edit it I do understand what your saying..


it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

I find your name appropriate for this discussion.

[GERM]

He said he was sorry he got his 1st job to 90 an hour b4 joining our group. Told us that he went 30-90 in abyssea
what server are you on? I think i played with this guy

[pim-ptarutaru]

what server are you on? I think i played with this guy

Odin Server ^_^v

[Kuishen]

it means sarcasm, I was stressing that instead of learning a job just change the game dynamics so that you don't have to learn how to play but you play because you can get from 1 - 99 and don't get the experience and learn from the mistakes you made..

How you get that out of what you wrote is beyond me, but moving on.


your correct your not suppose to do that unless your in a BLM burn party and it works but then again I don't have to explain that to you because you already know from experience how to play BLM.. 2 not just blm im talking about any job that has AoE, if a person gets a new AoE for the first time they are going to want to try it because its new and cool and I would rather they did that at level 30 and MPK the party then at 90 and MPK the party that just spent a full set of pop items or KI either and waste it..

If you're inviting somebody who is JUST getting an AoE to help you with an NM, then you are doing something seriously wrong. BLM gets AoEs at level 30ish, and every AoE ws is got around level 50-60, excluding the new ws which if anybody tries that on an NM then you're playing with stupid people.

Also, does it look like I have BLM leveled?


your IQ dropped because you chose to read this with a closed mind and not from a unbias perspective, 2 I didn't insult your post I made the comment about a generalization of people that may or may not exist you chose to take it as you wanted and reply with an insult
2 you can learn to do this because you have experience with BRDS but like you said it would take a matter of hours to do it then again BRD isn't a great example thats a pretty simple job to play considering the leader tells you what songs they want and its not too hard to sit and play a song.. pull.. play a song.. pull.. extra extra then again if your leeching you won't know anything about the pull concept as a brd but you can sit there and tell me from your experience that your capable of doing it in a matter of a few hours, so hats off to you sir.. stop taking my posts personally Im just trying to give my argument of why vs why not

So basically, your entire argument is if a player has been living under a rock and not played with any other jobs and gotten to 90 he won't know how to play his job if he leeched? Well I'm not going to argue that because you might be correct. Problem is that just doesn't happen.

All of your arguments hinge on you playing with stupid people in general, not with people that leech. Leeching does not cause stupidity, it was already there, it may just give them opportunity to use it sooner.

EDIT: Meaning that no matter how they get to 90, they're still going to be stupid unless they decide to actually look up how to play their job.

[Gunit]

Meaning that no matter how they get to 90, they're still going to be stupid unless they decide to actually look up how to play their job.

Doesn't matter if you leach or not this is the only thing that matters.

[HFX7686]

This idea is slightly, if not totally ridiculous. To even relish the thought is ludicrous. Abyssea is currently fine as is, it does not need any level changes, and if it did, the cap should go up, not down.

If there is no logical reason for the entry requirement to go down there probably is no logical reason for it to go up too.

[vajral]

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

[Kuishen]

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

Way to come in and post something without reading anything on the last page. Reporting this as spam.

[Boldheart]

Lvl 30 to enter Abyssea is to low and is causing leech overload. Just saying...

[Gunit]

yeah SE go for it! please give us more noobs! it's already so lovely to see so many mnk nin thf dnc blu dressed in pink being so proud to Hundred Miss.

what? how does the level cap in abyssea control how someone gears themselves.

[Kuishen]

Lvl 30 to enter Abyssea is to low and is causing leech overload. Just saying...

Way to make a statement without having any logical backing whatsoever. I think you want the other thread, this one is for logical discussion. At least in that one you can scream your opinion as loud as you want and nobody will care.

[HFX7686]

Well, this:

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/6163412/and-we-cannot-judge-to-let-the-people-who-can-grasp-the-concept-of-a-job-have-an-advantage-over-the-.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Philosoraptor

And then this:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103316-The-Official-Forums-BG-Edition

[Boldheart]

Way to make a statement without having any logical backing whatsoever. I think you want the other thread, this one is for logical discussion. At least in that one you can scream your opinion as loud as you want and nobody will care.

LOL i dont have to waste my time w/ 2 paragraphs on explaining to u lol what I mean. It was direct and to the point, that is all I have to say about it anymore. This game wasnt meant for Leeching. Really the only way I see Leeching is alright are key master's that open chests. People that pay gil for Leaders beneficial gains to leech and to no one else's in the Alliance is totally wrong.

[Ramsos]

LOL i dont have to waste my time w/ 2 paragraphs on explaining to u lol what I mean. It was direct and to the point, that is all I have to say about it anymore. This game wasnt meant for Leeching.

If this game "wasnt meant for Leeching", explain why SE allows lvl 30 players in abyssea.

[Odintius]

This thread still going lol mpk the leecher down with leechers >.>

[Gunit]

you need to leech your cor to 90

[Boldheart]

you need to leech your cor to 90

LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

[Ezikiel]

i abyssea burned my COR where can i go to skill up phantom roll

[Greatguardian]

LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

Ironically, a COR buffing below the level of his party members is useless and wasting a party slot.

COR Roll Potency = (COR level / Player Receiving Buff level) %.

A level 60 COR buffing a level 90 DD has *all* of his rolls throttled to 2/3 potency =/

[Gunit]

LOL I wouldnt leech, I would help w/ buffs and doing 1k+ damage ws and meleeing or Raing. That's not a leech.

cor only does 1,000 DMG WS?

[Kuishen]

cor only does 1,000 DMG WS?

All I saw either, he just made his entire argument even more invalid than it was.

[Gunit]

Not breaking 1k is leaching if you ask me lol.

[Gunit]

Also what is Raing?

[Kuishen]

Not breaking 1k is leaching if you ask me lol.

2k at least.

[katori]

i cant believe you people are that geedy lol. i think they should move the cap to 75. tired of see all these gimp people who cant even solo nm. they made game too weak with 90 and leeching jobs to 90 now.

[Lynchilles]

I've met plenty of players while I was leveling pre-Abyssea who were able to reach level 75 through the more traditional experience points party but were dumb as hell:

Thiefs who had no idea how SATA/Assasin Worked
White mages who didn't understand the relationship between Cure/Emnity
Black Mages who spammed Level 50 Ancient Magic over Tier III or Tier IV
Thiefs who stacked CHR gear and refused to use Haste or gear-changing macros
Monks that argue that Twilight Belt is better than a Black Belt


I once had a career monk who was leading my Sky linkshell tell me to use Shiva's Claws on a mob that was weak to piercing damage. (Seriously...)


The list goes on and on...


The fact is: these people will always be bad players regardless of whether they leveled their jobs in a traditional experience points party or they leeched their way from 1-90 in Abbysea. It's because they just don't care enough about the game to actually research their jobs, ask meaningful questions, and try and learn how to play their jobs and how this game works in general.

I absolutely ADORE this phantom correlation between raising the level cap to 70 for Abyssea and making bad players better. I think that is the most inane logic I have ever read on a forum. Judging by the piss-poor quality of this forum in general however, it seems like a tenuous grasp on logic and the writing skills of an oragutan are the status quo.

Time is a valuable and irreplacable commodity for any person. Lowering the level cap to level 1 for Abyssea also lowers the amount of time I spend leveling a job and in turn gives me more time for more abmitious activities both in the game and in real life.

If I am so worried that I won't be able to play a job correctly, I will research the job on websites like Wiki. I'll ask questions from friends in-game. I'll read Blue Gartr and even post a question or two in their Random Question thread and feel special because I have gotten quality feedback from people who understand this game much better than I do.

Tl;dr: Level 1 or GTFO

[Kuishen]

i cant believe you people are that geedy lol. i think they should move the cap to 75. tired of see all these gimp people who cant even solo nm. they made game too weak with 90 and leeching jobs to 90 now.

Was totally just beaten into ripping you a new one, please read Lynchilles post thoroughly. There is no correlation to abyssea leeching and bad players, they were always there, they always will be and just because YOU failed to notice them before now doesn't mean anything.

[Gunit]

Can someone explain to me how leaching created bad players?
All theses pieces of shit players were around before abyssea and now they post here saying leaching is making them gimp.

[Kuishen]

Can someone explain to me how leaching created bad players?
All theses pieces of shit players were around before abyssea and now they post here saying leaching is making them gimp.

Obviously it's because if you don't spend WEEKS AND WEEKS OF EXPING YOU CAN'T LEARN YOUR JOB!@!U@!!!!!!

At least that's the only reason I've seen so far, which is stupid.

For you Anti-Leechers: For the 50th time. EXPing FASTER does not make you a bad player, lack of understanding of the game and lack of research makes you a bad player. There is no correlation.

[Odintius]

Really dont care about uncap can't stick a enfeeble spell etc etc. My beef is when I see people purposely go afk not providing any contribution to the alliance or don't no how to perform there job correctly. I keep an eye out for afk'er and /tell leader about them so they can be kicked and can be reinvited depending on circumstances....

[Kuishen]

Really dont care about uncap can't stick a enfeeble spell etc etc. My beef is when I see people purposely go afk not providing any contribution to the alliance or don't no how to perform there job correctly. I keep an eye out for afk'er and /tell leader about them so they can be kicked and can be reinvited depending on circumstances....

As long as you're not blaming leeching on the bolded part and going around saying the cap should be raised based on that false logic, I have no problem with anything you just said.

[DrDelicious]

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!

[Odintius]

If your a thief I say it's you duty to swap hate on afk'er/30 >.>

[Gunit]

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!
How the fuck is it saving time?
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[Kuishen]

ive just gotta chime in. if you played the game for the, 7 or so years it was out BEFORE abyssea, you would've noticed that yes, this game was not for the common leech. since xp parties used to consist of 6 players, every one of them doing a vital part of the whole. if your bard was lazy with their spells, xp slowed down. if your whm was cure-bombing and needed to rest a lot, xp slowed down. of your ninja couldnt fold shadows, xp slowed down. so it made players want to operate at maximum efficiency to keep the best xp. and if you couldnt hack it, you got the boot.
now with abyssea, i see 3-4 naked people just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, usually the leaders of the party. im all in favor of raising the cap to 75, since you really cant contribute until then anyway. and to everyone that says that they hate "the grind" to 30, well suck it up buttercup, we used to do this thing called an xp party for those levels. should try it out sometime, you get to skill up while you get xp! 2 birds= 1 stone
and its saving time! you can do 2 things at once!

Flagging this as spam because it's off topic.

[Greatguardian]

I think they're falsely assuming that the combination of Skilling up and Leeching separately takes more time than EXP'ing in the overworld. It doesn't.

[DrDelicious]

haha love this
edit: this was @Odintius, great idea. but they usualy stay by dominion guy for refresh of page. boo

[Gunit]

Don't care to explain?

[DrDelicious]

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

[Greatguardian]

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

5+ days? More like 5+ hours.

[Odintius]

5+ days? More like 5+ hours.

How much time you play dam >.>

[Ramsos]

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

Even if took you 5 days to skill up a weap from 20-90 cap, it takes significantly longer than 5 days to take a job 20-90 the old way unless you create your own pts and play all day without sleep. And even then you are going to run into bad pts.

[Greatguardian]

How much time you play dam >.>

Eh? It taking 5 hours to skill up to cap has nothing to do with how often I play.

[Gunit]

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

5days? I don't think you play this game anymore. Even 7 years ago it didn't take 5 days to skill up.

[DrDelicious]

thats assuming your just skilling up 1 weapon. what about a war, who now thanks to abyssea, needs to have several weapons at or above at least 250. preferably capped. and magic skill like elemental magic takes much longer to skill up than melee. i think everyone is looking at this from a melee perspective. im seeing it more from a mage standpoint, where i cant just engage, make a sammich, come back, and engage the next mob. and yes, i do have several melee and mage jobs, so before you say im simplifying it im really not.

[Malacite]

Or SE could just do the smart thing and make it 65~70 minimal level for entry so that way people still have to party and actually experience the game first. You can't even hit anything below that range in a Visions area, much less Scars or Heroes so outside of WHM's who have refresh Atmas (or DNC with 10/regain) and possibly BRD & COR no one else has any business being there so early.

DD's won't be able to hit, Tanks will drop like a rock and even BLM's will just get resisted. Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

[Greatguardian]

Magic skills don't take that long to level up. And you can watch a movie while doing it (Hpemdes go), whereas Melees at least have to engage their next target.


Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

Too easy. Can't take the bait.

[Ramsos]

Or SE could just do the smart thing and make it 65~70 minimal level for entry so that way people still have to party and actually experience the game first. You can't even hit anything below that range in a Visions area, much less Scars or Heroes so outside of WHM's who have refresh Atmas (or DNC with 10/regain) and possibly BRD & COR no one else has any business being there so early.

DD's won't be able to hit, Tanks will drop like a rock and even BLM's will just get resisted. Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

Because there were no 75s with garbage gear who didnt know how to play their respective jobs before abyssea existed.

[Gunit]

I think SE thinks they did the "smart thing" and make it 30 to begin with.
SE wants us to leach if you don't then don't enter abyssea til you are 90.

[DrDelicious]

and in all honesty, i dont even think its about growing scores of people who have no idea what they are doing with their jobs, or underskilled players. i think the issue behind the issue is about pride. people used to have pride in having multiple 75. it used to mean something. and now you can just leech your way to a capped level. theres nothing to be proud of. i honestly think that is the real issue behind the whole abyssea level cap debate.

[Komori]

Seeing as magic can't actually *miss* not elemental magic of which you speak of. To be honest, if you have at least one friend, you can just go through all of the zones and constantly spam tier 1 spells and skill up until you can land decent nukes in abyssea and then raise it to cap. And that shouldn't take 5 days.

I've said this before, while the people wanting Abyssea to be endgame; your a minority but I gurantee there are at least six of you always online at a time. Just do a shout in Port Jeuno for other parties.

[Greatguardian]

and in all honesty, i dont even think its about growing scores of people who have no idea what they are doing with their jobs, or underskilled players. i think the issue behind the issue is about pride. people used to have pride in having multiple 75. it used to mean something. and now you can just leech your way to a capped level. theres nothing to be proud of. i honestly think that is the real issue behind the whole abyssea level cap debate.

Half right. People did used to have pride in having 75 jobs. That doesn't mean that it ever meant anything. Those people were silly then for thinking it earned them bragging rights, and they're silly now for caring about losing said bragging rights.

[Odintius]

My opinion and im stress the my opinion here lol 1-60 should be for outside of abyssea then have access to abyssea.

[Gunit]

My opinion and im stress the my opinion here lol 1-60 should be for outside of abyssea then have access to abyssea.

Why? What is wrong with the current level 30 cap?

[DrDelicious]

Half right. People did used to have pride in having 75 jobs. That doesn't mean that it ever meant anything. Those people were silly then for thinking it earned them bragging rights, and they're silly now for caring about losing said bragging rights.

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

[DrDelicious]

Why? What is wrong with the current level 30 cap?

theres a few threads on that debate, or you could just read this thread.

[Gunit]

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

Getting a job to 75 and gearing a job correctly at 75 is a lot different

[Gunit]

theres a few threads on that debate, or you could just read this thread.

Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

[HFX7686]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

[Greatguardian]

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

[Kuishen]

Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

Quoted for truth.

[DrDelicious]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

my point exactly. just dont do it in my xp party please. abyssea is a great addition to the game, but it has made players too dependent on the buffs that they receive in abyssea. hate control, mp conservation, skillchains, things of the past.
and with the martial arts thing, on your road to black belt you learn everything you need to know when you get your BB. and id like to think that was the correlation you were going for. most training after that is a refining of those skills you learned.

[Odintius]

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.

[HFX7686]

I'm a level 90 WHM. It was level 75 years before the level cap increase. I play WHM all the time. Sometimes I play RDM but mostly WHM. My healing magic skill has never, ever been capped. I think it is about 50 points below cap as of right now and I don't know many people who have it higher than I do.

Skill levels are sometimes subjective. Obviously not always. I wouldn't particularly care if a BRD did not have their dagger skill maxed out for example (extreme example obviously).

[DrDelicious]

No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

ive always judged people on how they play, not based on who had what leveled. ive met some people in jungle parties that were much more capable and smart and knew their jobs better than people with several capped jobs. it is all based on the players, if they suck a their job, capped or not, they suck. gear, skills and job level wont change that.
i think it was a comedian who said it best, something along the lines of you cant fix stupid. i think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.


to be honest that is my main problem as well, heck I plan on trying out this "leeching" thing myself with my NIN....... I hate NIN -.- just want to get it to 49 and skill it up to max and be done with it.

[Boldheart]

I nominate Gunit as the troll of this board and Kuishen on his Bandwagon woot lol.... hmmm is your time this valuable to rant on about useless arguments. Cuz SE is the only one that can change this talk to them about it, and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.

[rog]

and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.
I highly doubt SE is too concerned about their bandwidth usage.

[Greatguardian]

ive always judged people on how they play, not based on who had what leveled. ive met some people in jungle parties that were much more capable and smart and knew their jobs better than people with several capped jobs. it is all based on the players, if they suck a their job, capped or not, they suck. gear, skills and job level wont change that.
i think it was a comedian who said it best, something along the lines of you cant fix stupid. i think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.

No, I agree with you completely on this. I was just pointing out what seems to be a driving force behind a lot of people on these boards: The assumption that having a level 75 job or beating maat gave them special bragging rights that are being lost now that these things are more common, when in fact those things were never really brag-worthy anyways.

[DrDelicious]

No, I agree with you completely on this. I was just pointing out what seems to be a driving force behind a lot of people on these boards: The assumption that having a level 75 job or beating maat gave them special bragging rights that are being lost now that these things are more common, when in fact those things were never really brag-worthy anyways.

yeah, THOSE people were the bags -o- douche that would tell a thf who to sata when their thief is only lvl 15. and theyre rational was that they had w, x, y, and z jobs leveled. ive met those people and im glad they can no longer brag about that. but coming from someone who solo'd 2 jobs to 75, (blm and nin) and solo'd all my merits for blm, i can tell you its a little sad that someone can do what i did in less time than i could get 10 merits. i used to love this game for the challenge of it, and yes, the grinding did suck, but i still did it. i just hope that lvl 99 provides some better challenges for us, both in and out of abyssea.

[Gunit]

I nominate Gunit as the troll of this board and Kuishen on his Bandwagon woot lol.... hmmm is your time this valuable to rant on about useless arguments. Cuz SE is the only one that can change this talk to them about it, and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.
I dont understand where I am ranting?
or Trolling for that matter
I have no problem with the way SE current has abyssea I am just trying to understand the reasons people what it changed.

[Odintius]

I'm a level 90 WHM. It was level 75 years before the level cap increase. I play WHM all the time. Sometimes I play RDM but mostly WHM. My healing magic skill has never, ever been capped. I think it is about 50 points below cap as of right now and I don't know many people who have it higher than I do.

Skill levels are sometimes subjective. Obviously not always. I wouldn't particularly care if a BRD did not have their dagger skill maxed out for example (extreme example obviously).

White mage and support job type's yes you don't necessarily need max skills to perform there jobs it the melee who can't hit the broad side of a barn with food that worries me.

[Greatguardian]

White mage and support job type's yes you don't necessarily need max skills to perform there jobs it the melee who can't hit the broad side of a barn with food that worries me.

Melees bad enough to not have skilled weapons actually use food?

Heck, bad players with capped skills actually use food?

[Mrbeansman]

yeah, THOSE people were the bags -o- douche that would tell a thf who to sata when their thief is only lvl 15. and theyre rational was that they had w, x, y, and z jobs leveled. ive met those people and im glad they can no longer brag about that. but coming from someone who solo'd 2 jobs to 75, (blm and nin) and solo'd all my merits for blm, i can tell you its a little sad that someone can do what i did in less time than i could get 10 merits. i used to love this game for the challenge of it, and yes, the grinding did suck, but i still did it. i just hope that lvl 99 provides some better challenges for us, both in and out of abyssea.

I believe you call that jealousy.

[Odintius]

Melees bad enough to not have skilled weapons actually use food?

Heck, bad players with capped skills actually use food?

Wouldn't suprise me lol

[DrDelicious]

I believe you call that jealousy.

jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.

[Mrbeansman]

jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.

EXP was only precious if you were a gimp idiot who never got any invites on account of being so gimp.

[Ramsos]

jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.

You seem to imply that people arguing against raising the cap never leveled a job without grinding outside abyssea, which is a baseless claim and totally false. I for one am tired of the grind after doing it for so many years.

[DrDelicious]

EXP was only precious if you were a gimp idiot who never got any invites on account of being so gimp.

wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.

[rog]

wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.
Blm could solo reasonably fast anyway, so it was no major loss.

[Mrbeansman]

wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.

Your right exp was never precious EVER.

[Odintius]

Level progression use to be were once you leveled up in a party you would gradually skill up and max out with each passing level. Today level progression level to 30 with maybe max skill level grab some key's open some chest get to around 65+ try to melee find out you can't hit anything maybe once or twice in a span of 30minutes. Then have alot of sugguestion's on making skill ups easier because the lack of level progression to begin with. This is kinda an issue don't you think?

[rog]

Level progression use to be were once you leveled up in a party you would gradually skill up and max out with each passing level. Today level progression level to 30 with maybe max skill level grab some key's open some chest get to around 65+ try to melee find out you can't hit anything maybe once or twice in a span of 30minutes. Then have alot of sugguestion's on making skill ups easier because the lack of level progression to begin with. This is kinda an issue don't you think?
Not really. Skilling up weapons can already be done afk.

[DrDelicious]

You seem to imply that people arguing against raising the cap never leveled a job without grinding outside abyssea, which is a baseless claim and totally false. I for one am tired of the grind after doing it for so many years.

well, how many people sit on their lvl 30 jobs, flags up and get invites for leeching? it doesnt happen on my server, and id like to see those mid levels actually doing SOMETHING, instead of JUST leeching. and short of making all my own abyssea parties, which is a huge pain in the ass, id just like to see some action in the mid levels. and the majority will say, "make your own 6 man party then" well, there isnt 6 people who will take less xp by choice. but if SE gave those mid levels another option, i saw someone mention a low level abyssea area, that would revitalize those levels and probably solve alot of these issues.
i think people want to actually play a job to cap, not play, leech, play. and thats probably what everyone is ranting about.

[Komori]

Look, I level BLM and BLU from 1-75/80 the hard way, grinding through each levels and with Level Sync, spending a week aquiring or farming gil for gear, getting spells and then skilling up before going back into a party only to get about two levels a day, and I started my own manaburns and parties; despite not liking to be leader because starting my own got the job done quicker. But I'm not someone who is bothered by other BLUs and BLMs getting there in two days.

Get over it. There were also people who could have done it with SMN burns. If the cap was raised, then SMN burns would just become more popular gain and no one could try and solo or duo in Korroloka.

[katori]

to me gunit you sound like a retard with my 2 accounts i have 13 90's and i didnt leech one job to 90. they were all at 75 when cap to 80 came. and becuase your jobs are gimp doesnt make me gimp by any means. i've soloed nm in abyssea that ls's have problems with and killed almost every mob in abyssea with 3 people. i think abyssea is too weak. you know how long it took to solo genbu or serket backin the days. that was a honor. i am one of them players who been playing since it hit america. unlike some of the people who just started playing 2 3 years ago and have same number of 90's as me. i bet you dont even use <stal>