Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Valefor4life]

Untill u bother to lvl blm and 2 shot nuke an abyssea mob without having to rest for mp your a leech. If you still need to exp your a leech. Cause you should be cruor farming instead.

[rog]

oh please get over yourself.... everyone had to start in Abyssea at some point, you have to be trolling, because if your not, then you are really ignorant.
I dunno, i thought he was being a little too lenient.

[Ritsuka]

lol you don't think leaching from 30 on up is good enough? There's enough crapy players as is they don't need to lower the aby level cap. If anything they need to raise up higher. Its a sad day an Vanadiel when high ranked player doesn't mean anything now adays. I remember when you seen a high level player you new they where good at there job. But now i see lvl 80 players that dont know jack about there job.

[Flunklesnarkin]

lol you don't think leaching from 30 on up is good enough? There's enough crapy players as is they don't need to lower the aby level cap. If anything they need to raise up higher. Its a sad day an Vanadiel when high ranked player doesn't mean anything now adays. I remember when you seen a high level player you new they where good at there job. But now i see lvl 80 players that dont know jack about there job.

I use to think everybody high level was competent at their job.. way back when my highest level was 50

After reaching lvl 75 though, i soon realized level has absolutely no bearing on competence...


I think it just comes down to the person.. call it a video game IQ if you will

If you are bad at video games.. you will be bad at your job no matter how you level

If you are good at video games.. you will take the time to learn how to play/gear/skill up your job no matter how you level.

[magnius]

Its a sad day an Vanadiel when high ranked player doesn't mean anything now adays. I remember when you seen a high level player you new they where good at there job. But now i see lvl 80 players that dont know jack about there job.

High ranked meaning high level, I guess? They never meant anything in the first place.

You used to be able to generally determine the skill of a player by the LS they were in. Usually, these skilled LSes only took high level members. Thus the stereotype of being high level meant highly skilled emerged. Don't confuse the difference btwn a high level player who mostly engaged social/endgame events and a high level player who dominated the HNM scene and did more challenging things like AV and PW. I don't speak in absolutes. There are always exceptions, but they are just that -- exceptions. I also don't speak to offend. If you mostly only engaged in social/endgame it doesn't make you a wrong. It's just what you chose to do, nothing wrong with that. But you have to admit, killing stuff like 3Kings, AV and PW took more skills than Kirin, Sea NMs or clearing Dynamis zones.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

eh well I dont see this changeing one way or another, if I have to live with it, I guess I have to lol. I just started playing again about 2 weeks before the shutdown (yeah sucks but shit happens) I have 2 of the first set of three that I have to kill for the quest line, and I am still 75 DRG (was a bit to fast and the LS pretty much tossed me into the fire ;p

I only played for about 4 hours, (honestly not sure how long I was playing) but they seemed to be on a bee line mission, we killed two NMs in one place and then 3 in the other, then just killed stuff in mass till I had to leave.

I felt useless and the LS kept telling me it was ok, but I still felt bad about doing it, I was not even on chest patrol. They just wanted me to stand there and look pretty. Now that I have some starting cuer (did I spell that right?) I will start buying some keys at least to be of some use.

I can understand where both sides are coming from, there is my side (feeling like the game is being ruined) and the other side (likes it like it is) I guess after being gone for a year, it was a bit of a shock to see the game in it's current state.

if it stays the same... will it ruin FFXI? That is honestly a question none of us can answer (and no you really cant)

[magnius]

if it stays the same... will it ruin FFXI? That is honestly a question none of us can answer (and no you really cant)

Can't say for sure. It has been on the downward trend for a while now -- waaaay before Abyssea. So you can't really blame Abyssea. You can say it will continue on a downward trend or just stabilize. I highly doubt it will ever be like it was when the game peaked.

[HFX7686]

if it stays the same... will it ruin FFXI? That is honestly a question none of us can answer (and no you really cant)

I don't think so. It revitalised the game for my friends and I. Gave us something new to do that didn't take hours and hours to do.

[Vivik]

most 75s are useless because of leeching...counterpoint invalid

Most 75 were worthless before abyssea, you point is also invalid.

[Rie]

I don't think it matters that much in what way you get the exp. Whether you grind for countless hours for a few levels, or run back and forth from an NPC to get pages.

None of the 20 jobs we have are rocket science, it doesn't take that long to get skills up to cap, and anyone with half a brain can learn how to play any job with relative ease.

Lets face it, it's not like you're gonna learn the job level synced to 12 in Korroloka Tunnel, or 37 @ East Ronfaure_[S] until lvl70, (which was the 'proposed' change in some other threads here).

I don't see a problem with removing the lvl30 cap, it'd just make it quicker for people to get to max level so they can start merits/skillups.

FFXI ain't hard. Get over yourselves.

[Vivik]

None of the 20 jobs we have are rocket science, it doesn't take that long to get skills up to cap, and anyone with half a brain can learn how to play any job with relative ease.


People need to make them sound hard to feel special.

[Auredant]

Most 75 were worthless before abyssea, you point is also invalid.
So, your solution is to defend the system that rewards gimped skills? Just playing devils advocate here...I'd prefer entry at 50, but I don't get worked up about it. I myself have only leeched jobs that skills were capped, and none from 30, but If someone else doesn't that's there prerogative...as long as they take the time to up their skill after so they don't become Sir "Whiffalot" when it actually matters.
It's the mindset of today's player that gets me to lol. Was leveling in the jungle when party member says "last boss for me"...Naturally they ding 30 and warp out. I "LOL" and say "have fun key boxing"
I'm bringin WAR50 and BLU30 up slowly cuz it suits me. Blu is near capped so i'll only exp if i'm the sync on it and I'll sync on WAR as low as the 40's and skill GS or Scythe, for example, as my GA is near cap.
But I enjoy seeing the skillups when I party, feels like I'm advancing my job more than just collectin exp.
To each his own....but when i see a BLU, for example, key whoring I just wanna /cry.

[magnius]

People need to make them sound hard to feel special.

This exactly.

I'm currently working on my Emp H2H in Tahrongi and decided it's just horrible farming KIs in boxes without an AOE ws so I decided to level my staff skill. After a couple of hours I already had over 8hours in the zone so I started using my staff to kill. I went from 140skill to 240skill in a little over 2hours.

[Greatguardian]

So, your solution is to defend the system that rewards gimped skills? Just playing devils advocate here...I'd prefer entry at 50, but I don't get worked up about it. I myself have only leeched jobs that skills were capped, and none from 30, but If someone else doesn't that's there prerogative...as long as they take the time to up their skill after so they don't become Sir "Whiffalot" when it actually matters.
It's the mindset of today's player that gets me to lol. Was leveling in the jungle when party member says "last boss for me"...Naturally they ding 30 and warp out. I "LOL" and say "have fun key boxing"
I'm bringin WAR50 and BLU30 up slowly cuz it suits me. Blu is near capped so i'll only exp if i'm the sync on it and I'll sync on WAR as low as the 40's and skill GS or Scythe, for example, as my GA is near cap.
But I enjoy seeing the skillups when I party, feels like I'm advancing my job more than just collectin exp.
To each his own....but when i see a BLU, for example, key whoring I just wanna /cry.

Just a heads up, 75-90s being worthless has nothing to do with whether their skills are capped or not. Any skill in the game can be capped either afk or practically afk on either Fortalices, Hpemdes, or Yourself.

[RaenRyong]

To each his own....but when i see a BLU, for example, key whoring I just wanna /cry.

Abyssea burned BLU from 42 to 90.

Had capped skill within 3-4 days, all of my important spells within a week, almost full af3+2 and an Almace within a month.

[Morgantisthedon]

I beleive changing the entrance to 1 would be ok. It would help people get into parties in abby. Not many people do much outside this. Plus if they where to change it to 70 plus after having it to 30 for awile it would only hurt the people coming in after the update. I am sure (like me) alot of us have already done our leeching and have mutiple 90's going in. And if you changed it to 70 plus would only hurt the people that didnt level from 30~70+ so far. So why not be fair and just let everyone go in. Sure it would hurt peopel realy hurting in skills and leaching. But I believe you can learn all that soloing or going out playing with your new job. Also a low level person cant do much in abby i agree other than open chests maybe raise ppl ... not much help from 30~75ish in most areas So I dont see what would hurt the extra 29 more lvs and let people come in @ 1.

[Zagen]

Abyssea burned BLU from 42 to 90.

Had capped skill within 3-4 days, all of my important spells within a week, almost full af3+2 and an Almace within a month.
None of that matters to those who feel EXPing should be annoying because they think annoying = challenge worthy of bragging about. You're gimp because you didn't get EXP the annoying way, I mean "challenging" way LOL.

[RaenRyong]

I am a terrible player.

[Zagen]

I am a terrible player.
As am I, after all can't learn how to play a job from researching outside the game :D

[magnius]

I'm awesome.

[Zagen]

I'm awesome.
No just in denial. After all you didn't skill up while EXPing the annoying way :D
Edit: Blast! I mean the "challenging" way!

[magnius]

No just in denial. After all you didn't skill up while EXPing the annoying way :D

No way. I'm awesome because I can get max dmg gear without Haste. That's how awesome I am.

[DrDelicious]

well for some reason i dont see the devs sitting around after 8 years, saying to themselves "you know, we should just fast-track people to the endgame, i mean really, thats what we were going for right?"
face it, its a loophole. and everyone that leeches is exploiting that loophole, whether you want to believe it or not. i really dont think they wanted level 30s to go in and just open chests for 60 levels.

[RaenRyong]

assumptions

[magnius]

I don't mind people making assumptions as long as they don't try to push it as fact.


well for some reason i dont see the devs sitting around after 8 years, saying to themselves "you know, we should just fast-track people to the endgame, i mean really, thats what we were going for right?"
face it, its a loophole. and everyone that leeches is exploiting that loophole

But it can also be SE pushing players past old content(you can say letting it die)so when they release the next expansion, everyone can just jump into it rather than still trying to get their jobs to 90.

[Kuishen]

well for some reason i dont see the devs sitting around after 8 years, saying to themselves "you know, we should just fast-track people to the endgame, i mean really, thats what we were going for right?"
face it, its a loophole. and everyone that leeches is exploiting that loophole, whether you want to believe it or not. i really dont think they wanted level 30s to go in and just open chests for 60 levels.

Maybe I should report you for blatantly calling the Devs stupid, because that's all I'm seeing here.

[Gunit]

So I guess SE should remove level sync so people will skill up in exp pts?

[Gunit]

well for some reason i dont see the devs sitting around after 8 years, saying to themselves "you know, we should just fast-track people to the endgame, i mean really, thats what we were going for right?"
face it, its a loophole. and everyone that leeches is exploiting that loophole, whether you want to believe it or not. i really dont think they wanted level 30s to go in and just open chests for 60 levels.

Well see I think they are saying we should fast track people to endgame.

[Vivik]

i really dont think they wanted level 30s to go in and just open chests for 60 levels.

Then why did they make the level requirement level 30?

Please, by all means, enlighten us.

[Dobbykk]

I hope OP gets what he wants, so these official forums can get what they want. An easy instant gratification version of FFXI. Where you can get from level 1 to cap in a day, that way we can have even more retards attempting to do things with me.

Oh wait, it already is like that. Disregard this.

[Gunit]

Getting to level 90 fast doesn't make people retards.

[Odintius]

My opinion is ffxi is slowly dieing and they need a way to gain levels quickly and hence abyssea just an opinion again

[DrDelicious]

Then why did they make the level requirement level 30?

Please, by all means, enlighten us.

wow, someone took some offense. honestly, who knows. like someone said, the min level limits for a lot of content is set at 30, maybe they just went with that. i just dont see the devs advocating doing nothing through most of the game. and the fact that your trying to push that they actually WANT people to leech for 60 levels is just insanity.

[Gunit]

how is it insanity? Cause it is clear that they at least want us to be able to leech.

[Dobbykk]

Getting to level 90 fast doesn't make people retards.


Getting to level 90 fast does indeed make people retards*

Fixed.

[DrDelicious]

how is it insanity? Cause it is clear that they at least want us to be able to leech.

then why have the xp req. increase for each level at all? thats part of the MMO experience, its the grind. the "time sink" of xping that you all talk about is at the heart of every FF game. theres no fast forward button. period. the lvl 30 thing is a loophole, one i hope that gets closed.

[Vivik]

wow, someone took some offense. honestly, who knows. like someone said, the min level limits for a lot of content is set at 30, maybe they just went with that. i just dont see the devs advocating doing nothing through most of the game. and the fact that your trying to push that they actually WANT people to leech for 60 levels is just insanity.

There is a difference between taking offense and thinking someone is talking out of their ass. If the Devs didn't advocate it I'm sure it would have been gone before the second Xpack.

[Gunit]

Getting to level 90 fast does indeed make people retards*

Fixed.

How does it make people retards?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

People who think they can tell people how to play does indeed make people retards*

Fixed.When you do a fixed, you're suppoed to edit the quote. lol

[Vivik]

When you do a fixed, you're supposed to edit the quote. lol

Like that. FIXED!!!

[Dobbykk]

When you do a fixed, you're suppoed to edit the quote. lol

Thinking like this makes people think THF/WHM is a good combination.

God forbid someone tell you how to play, because if they don't they probably play like you.

[DrDelicious]

There is a difference between taking offense and thinking someone is talking out of their ass. If the Devs didn't advocate it I'm sure it would have been gone before the second Xpack.

so what you are saying is that SE, even tho they have an escalating scale for xp required to get a higher level, actually want people to just walk around and open chests for 60 levels? so then why dont they just make it so there is no xp loss anywhere, and its only 1k per level post lvl 5? that would solve the time sink problem. and with no xp loss, no need to get those buffers back.
what im saying is that its a loophole, and im sure they didnt see flocks of people running in there at level 30 with an alliance to level. they have released content and then the players used it different than it was intended. im sure that since abyssea has been out, and thanks to these forums, they now have a better idea of how people play and xp and will hopefully adjust accordingly.

[Zath]

I "leech" XP in Abyssea off my LS mates, because my static and I were only level 61 when we returned to the game. Abyssea drew us back in because when we quit, the whole LS were High Levels constantly doing Dynamis or other random High Level junk that left us behind; there was never anything to do except hang out with my static getting crap XP and watching the whole LS pass us by. We quit out of boredom and frustration. Along came Abyssea which lets us chat with our freinds, and laugh while we open chests or get one-shotted for doing something dumb; socially Abyssea is allowing us to accomplish something in-game while having a good time AND learning from our peers the perks and responsibilities of being High Level. That said, I've never joined an XP party where we chatted outside of Abyssea; they were all essentially soulless grind-fests where everyone ignored each other except for chaining, constantly pulling, or popping abilities--there was no dialogue and I've never made a friendship through an XP party, though I've blacklisted an amazing quantity of "people". Raising the cap in Abyssea would once again seperate my static and I from our LS, leaving us to stand in low-level squalor while they have fun getting R/Ex weapons and cool gear. The player-base is shrinking, and Abyssea at least lets me hang out with my friends, seeing what they do, and learning from them how my own job(s) would/should be played. Put simply, raising the cap would drive us away once again.

[Greatguardian]

I "leech" XP in Abyssea off my LS mates, because my static and I were only level 61 when we returned to the game. Abyssea drew us back in because when we quit, the whole LS were High Levels constantly doing Dynamis or other random High Level junk that left us behind; there was never anything to do except hang out with my static getting crap XP and watching the whole LS pass us by. We quit out of boredom and frustration. Along came Abyssea which lets us chat with our freinds, and laugh while we open chests or get one-shotted for doing something dumb; socially Abyssea is allowing us to accomplish something in-game while having a good time AND learning from our peers the perks and responsibilities of being High Level. That said, I've never joined an XP party where we chatted outside of Abyssea; they were all essentially soulless grind-fests where everyone ignored each other except for chaining, constantly pulling, or popping abilities--there was no dialogue and I've never made a friendship through an XP party, though I've blacklisted an amazing quantity of "people". Raising the cap in Abyssea would once again seperate my static and I from our LS, leaving us to stand in low-level squalor while they have fun getting R/Ex weapons and cool gear. The player-base is shrinking, and Abyssea at least lets me hang out with my friends, seeing what they do, and learning from them how my own job(s) would/should be played. Put simply, raising the cap would drive us away once again.

Thank you very much for your post. It's refreshing to hear from the players whom these proposed changes would actually affect.

[magnius]

Thanks for sharing your story, Zath. Your situation is what a handful of us have been arguing for because we are also in the same situation.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Like that. FIXED!!!There is nothing more I can teach you my child. Go. Be free!

[magnius]

Lol Kaji. Your sig is crazy.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Lol Kaji. Your sig is crazy.I should put on the bottom, "Every time you support PS2, God kills Prishe. Please. Think of Prishe."

[Ica]

I should put on the bottom, "Every time you support PS2, God kills Prishe. Please. Think of Prishe."

I would support PS2 a thousand times if this were true. :(

[Nacht]

Getting to level 90 fast does indeed make people retards*


Some of you people need to get it through your heads retarded people are going to be retarded no matter how they level jobs. Even if a retard levels outside of abyssea, they're still going to be retarded.

Decent/good people are going to do decent/good at their jobs no matter how they level. Knowledgeable players are going to play their jobs relatively well regardless of whether they leeched in abyssea or not.

[Komori]

I'm all for it being brought down to 1 or staying as is. Let people play, how they want to and stop trying to go self-righteous.

[Dauntless]

This is a troll thread.

[Nacht]

This is a troll thread.

Whether or not it's a troll thread, it has just as much credibility as the other thread.

[Greatguardian]

This is a troll thread.

Maybe 50 pages ago. Now, it seems to have spawned more civil discussion than the thread it was mocking.

[Zagen]

A Retarded player Getting to level 90 fast does indeed make for a retarded player that is also level 90*

Fixed.
FTFY

Like it has been said before many many times find people who are good at the game, if you can't or they choose not to play with you, then well you should take a step back and ask why they don't.

My friend and I have leeched several jobs and sadly we play those jobs on par with others who leveled the "old way" we run around with or even better depending on the job, the big difference is we both care to research the job to see what is good for it.


Thinking like this makes people think THF/WHM is a good combination.
Actually not a bad farming job combo... but then again I'm guessing you don't like the saying "stuff is situational"

[Flunklesnarkin]

leveling up slow or fast doesn't prevent gimpness

bad players will always be bad

good players will always take the time to learn their job and skill it properly

Trust me.. i've seen plenty of poor players leveling up "correctly"

like lvl 60 rdm's using swords asking what convert was (was a horrible pt >_>)

or level 50 paladins without flash

whm's without cure spells or silena etc..

It's not a problem with efficiency of leveling.. its a problem with the player

Slower leveling just makes it more painful for people to bring gimps along.. but they always find a way...

like mormon missionaries.. they will always find you.. there is no escape

[Yarly]

This is a troll thread.

No it's not, your post is a troll post.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Check the link, it originally started as one.

[Greatguardian]

Check the link, it originally started as one.

And the moderators obviously allowed it to remain open. Since then, 50 pages worth of actual posting occurred. So no, it is no longer a troll thread, even if it's original intent was to mock.

[RaenRyong]

THF/WHM is a good combo! I dualboxed a lot of my Almace with NIN/WAR + THF/WHM.

[Vinc]

Thf/Whm's stona is useful for trioing Dragua while applying TH.

Dragua>MNK ------------------ WHM ---------- THF/WHM

[magnius]

Some of you people need to get it through your heads retarded people are going to be retarded no matter how they level jobs. Even if a retard levels outside of abyssea, they're still going to be retarded.

Decent/good people are going to do decent/good at their jobs no matter how they level. Knowledgeable players are going to play their jobs relatively well regardless of whether they leeched in abyssea or not.

I'm just quoting this because it needs to be repeated.

[Yarly]

Some of you people need to get it through your heads retarded people are going to be retarded no matter how they level jobs. Even if a retard levels outside of abyssea, they're still going to be retarded.

Decent/good people are going to do decent/good at their jobs no matter how they level. Knowledgeable players are going to play their jobs relatively well regardless of whether they leeched in abyssea or not.

I agree, this SAME debate about 'too many retards' has been brought up since they curved the exp for each level to make it more linear. This was back in April of 2005. And people are still complaining...

[rog]

Maybe 50 pages ago. Now, it seems to have spawned more civil discussion than the thread it was mocking.
And with much less looping too.

[Flunklesnarkin]

The only lvl 1's you would see in abyssea would be veteran players anyways

a random new person isn't going to know to run to jeuno and get a traverser stone directly after installing the game for the first time..

They will probably be level 20 or so by the time they reach jeuno... lvl 1 would help out veterans more than anything..

Although I still think its a good idea.

[Yarly]

The only lvl 1's you would see in abyssea would be veteran players anyways

a random new person isn't going to know to run to jeuno and get a traverser stone directly after installing the game for the first time..

They will probably be level 20 or so by the time they reach jeuno... lvl 1 would help out veterans more than anything..

Although I still think its a good idea.

this is true and i think you have a point, new players won't book it to jeuno

[cnedra]

good point but with the new update coming up warp npcs to abyssea are also available in ur home nation so then not only veterans will be able to get a lvl 1 job to abyssea

[Henihhi]

Lol- walking to jeuno is hard? It isn't really going to matter one way or the other, since abyssea has been released there are enough lvl 90s that don't know what to do, whats the difference if they add few noobies to the mix?

[Lynchilles]

I think this would be a great idea! I really hope SE lowers the minimum level requirement from 30 - 1 for Abyssea,

[Auredant]

Lol- walking to jeuno is hard? It isn't really going to matter one way or the other, since abyssea has been released there are enough lvl 90s that don't know what to do, whats the difference if they add few noobies to the mix?
Don't know about you...but that first walk to jeuno was scary bussiness for me...lol. Those damn jugner tigers were sneaky. ><

[Kuishen]

Don't know about you...but that first walk to jeuno was scary bussiness for me...lol. Those damn jugner tigers were sneaky. ><

On my first time I died from Skeletons at night in Rolanberry fields, was so pissed.

[Henihhi]

Lol ya- I was pretty lucky to meet a few people that were much smarter than I when i started that warned me to get sneak,invisi etc and also told me about setting hps the whole way up if i didn't want to waste gil on meds. I guess if you didn't know about the meds and setting hps every zone it could be pretty rough.

[Lynchilles]

Wow. I think the OP is really onto something here. I support this thread and lowering the cap from 30 to 1.

[Flunklesnarkin]

well they really don't need to lower the entrance requirement from 30 to 1

they could you know.. make lvl 1 weapons with damage normally used in lvl 60+ weapons so people can solo to 30 easily ;o

everybody starts off as an uber solo guy with an overpowered lvl 1 weapon ^^

[Nacht]

well they really don't need to lower the entrance requirement from 30 to 1

they could you know.. make lvl 1 weapons with damage normally used in lvl 60+ weapons so people can solo to 30 easily ;o

everybody starts off as an uber solo guy with an overpowered lvl 1 weapon ^^

but... but... what about those level capped BCNMs...

[Vivik]

On my first time I died from Skeletons at night in Rolanberry fields, was so pissed.

I died in Batallia from tiger agro and had some "high level" (27 I think) whm raise me.

[Flunklesnarkin]

but... but... what about those level capped BCNMs...

meh.. nothing really valuable in the bcnm's anymore anyways...

inb4 kclub

that thing is dropping in price fast.. and I bet they add the 2~6 hit weapons soon from magian trial making kclub even cheaper.

glad i sold mine when i did ;o

[Yarly]

spells from bcnm

[Vivik]

meh.. nothing really valuable in the bcnm's anymore anyways...

inb4 kclub

that thing is dropping in price fast.. and I bet they add the 2~6 hit weapons soon from magian trial making kclub even cheaper.

glad i sold mine when i did ;o

Ni is 1mil on my server. Just sayin.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I wouldn't expect the prices of spells to last much more than 2 or 3 months...

It's the same as everything else in the game.. stuff gets farmed to death and becomes worthless again.. standard economics

Like I was selling perle pants 1 million a piece and perle hauberks 2 million a piece when abyssea first came out.. after a few months was just npc fodder.


Spells really do drop fast tho.. mages ballad 3 was like 300k when it first was added to game.. now its npc fodder too.. I'm sure there are plenty of examples.

[Rambus]

Why is kclub getting cheaper?

it had 3 uses.

WHM off hand
DRK zerg
RNG mainhand and shoot ws

Nothing changed that for 90 yet, maybe OaT magian for whm but i dought it

[Sayelle]

Why is kclub getting cheaper?

it had 3 uses.

WHM off hand
DRK zerg
RNG mainhand and shoot ws

Nothing changed that for 90 yet, maybe OaT magian for whm but i dought it

It's primary use for years was Drk Zerg and with the level increase you can zerg with pretty much any job and don't need to use a Blood Eater strategy anymore, so Drks are starting to dump them while they can still get something for them would be my guess.

[Gunit]

Why is kclub getting cheaper?

it had 3 uses.

WHM off hand
DRK zerg
RNG mainhand and shoot ws

Nothing changed that for 90 yet, maybe OaT magian for whm but i dought it

people don't zerg with drk anymore.

[Ryland]

I think lowering the entrance level from 30-1 is a great idea.

[HFX7686]

I think lowering the entrance level from 30-1 is a great idea.

I really agree with you.

[RaenRyong]

I really agree with you.

This I agree with.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I laugh at sheep...... all you do is come in an post basically the title of the thread and that's it. How about you explain why you think it is a great idea, like the people that dont like it do?

[HFX7686]

I laugh at sheep...... all you do is come in an post basically the title of the thread and that's it. How about you explain why you think it is a great idea, like the people that dont like it do?

Surely the answer is obvious.

[Vivik]

This I agree with.

Yes, agreeing with this, I am.

[Ramsos]

I laugh at sheep...... all you do is come in an post basically the title of the thread and that's it. How about you explain why you think it is a great idea, like the people that dont like it do?

Its a great idea because it makes logical sense. A lvl 1 will do just as much as a level 30 and will do more than a lvl 90 in full aurore.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Its a great idea because it makes logical sense. A lvl 1 will do just as much as a level 30 and will do more than a lvl 90 in full aurore.

ok now give me a reason to lower it to lv1, that helps the game, not drives it further to "Abyssea Online"

[Vivik]

Its a great idea because it makes logical sense. A lvl 1 will do just as much as a level 30 and will do more than a lvl 90 in full aurore.

Ramsos, you gotta slow down dude, you're losing everyone at "logical".

[Vivik]

ok now give me a reason to lower it to lv1, that helps the game, not drives it further to "Abyssea Online"

Moving it to Abyssea online is helping the game.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Moving it to Abyssea online is helping the game.


uuuummmmm... yeah sure it is..... -.-

[Gunit]

uuuummmmm... yeah sure it is..... -.-

how is it not helping the game?

[magnius]

Really though lol if you wanna know their reasons just read a few of the 30 pages that are already up. Or you can read the other thread. It's the same idea tossed back and forth over 100pages.

[Yarly]

ok now give me a reason to lower it to lv1, that helps the game, not drives it further to "Abyssea Online"


Moving it to Abyssea online is helping the game.


uuuummmmm... yeah sure it is.....

I see your question has been answered!

[cnedra]

Lol- walking to jeuno is hard? It isn't really going to matter one way or the other, since abyssea has been released there are enough lvl 90s that don't know what to do, whats the difference if they add few noobies to the mix?

well i was in luck to have a brd/whm with me for that walk to get me to jeuno snk/invis and chocobo mazurka and gooooooooooo. But not everbody is that lucky and yes as new player its not that easy is some think.

[Yarly]

I support this. I'm sick of having to level to 30 before I leech to 90. Such a waste of time.

Also, you don't learn a damned thing about your jobs at levels 1-30. So this artificial level requirement seems unnecessary.

[Niklz]

Also, you don't learn a damned thing about your jobs at levels 1-30. So this artificial level requirement seems unnecessary.

That is such a lie.

.....

blu learns 25 things from 1-30.

[Yarly]

That is such a lie.

.....

blu learns 25 things from 1-30.

you win, i was wrong!

[Chocobits]

I'm in complete agreement with the OP. Soloing to 30 is generally more efficient than party (SMNburn excluded) but it is monotonous and boring.

Partying (with the exception of SMNburns) is a complete waste of time for all but a select few party builds, and if you start getting picky and jobs you may as well be SMNburning.

I think introducing Abyssea to level 1 players would be loads of fun. Think about it honestly.. how many of you got to do the Bubbly Bernie alliance? Most didn't (but secretly wish they had).

Even excluding the leech factor, wouldn't building a level 1 alliance exp group rock your face off?

If someone posted something similar then: awesome. I'm not reading 600+ posts lol. This ain't BG.

[Chocobits]

Also, you don't learn a damned thing about your jobs at levels 1-30. So this artificial level requirement seems unnecessary.

I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.

The walk to Jeuno rocked! I hoofed it solo as 18 THF, spamming my linkshell with fearful questions about EVERY mob I saw aggroing or not.. hiding behind trees as if it made a difference.. Best adventure ever.

If I made that trip and then got 90 the same day, that would have been the best day of my life!

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I'm in complete agreement with the OP. Soloing to 30 is generally more efficient than party (SMNburn excluded) but it is monotonous and boring.


This seems to be the only some what tiny... sad argument in lowering it to level 1. Really how many times do I need to heard this? When it gets down to it, the people that want it dropped to level 1 all seem to hate level, and think it is a boring chore that wastes time......

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

[Lynchilles]

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

I never realized there was only one way to play an MMORPG. Guess I've been doing it wrong.

I support this idea of changing the minimum level cap to 1 for Abyssea!

[Vivik]

the people that want it dropped to level 1 all seem to hate level, and think it is a boring chore that wastes time......


It is and it is.

[Tamoa]

Nobody's saying you are not allowed to exp the "oldfashioned" way. Or solo, for that matter. You can now, and you still can even if Abyssea level cap is lifted. Which I hope will happen.

[Yarly]

I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.


If you bothered to read my post, I said you learn nothing about your job but you do have a point, I suppose.

[Tamoa]

I agree about arbitrary level requirement, but I disagree heartily about the not learning anything statement.

In fact, everything I need to know in FFXI I learned pre-30:

Goblin Leechers suck.
The Dunes suck.
Goblin Gamblers suck.
Low level parties suck.
Banshees suck.
Accidentally targetting that NM bird in West Saruta while soloing sucks.

The walk to Jeuno rocked! I hoofed it solo as 18 THF, spamming my linkshell with fearful questions about EVERY mob I saw aggroing or not.. hiding behind trees as if it made a difference.. Best adventure ever.

If I made that trip and then got 90 the same day, that would have been the best day of my life!

You forgot Goblin Smithys!!!

[Malamasala]

Again are you forgetting what you are playing? This is an MMORPG, saying these things just show that you might not need to be playing an MMORPG at all, if this is how you really feel.

I'm not following you. The guy you are arguing against likes the Massive Multiplayer Online content. So he clearly wants to play a MMO. Secondly a RPG is a Role Playing Game, which means that if you are not speaking in character and role playing, you are doing it wrong anyway and have nothing to back up your claims about what you SHOULD be doing in a MMORPG.

And I must admit I still don't see the special charm in leveling. The only difference between leveling and playing as level 90 is if you get a Level Up! text on you occasionally. There is nothing special about it at all.

Do you want to explore the world? Works just as fine at 90.
Do you want to kill different monsters? All available at 90.
What you seem to miss is mission BCNM challenges, which is your own choice. Leveling to 90 is rather counter productive if you want the game to be hard. That is like eating a brew and then complaining that it was easy.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.

[Ceinwyn]

Makes no sense to argue with a Leech. They are just too much of a Leech.
Hopefully, they will just leave the game after they've leeched all their jobs through the abyss. So, the Leeching will end.
However, this thread-titel is so ridiculous that i won't put anymore effort in this discussion.
And yes, it was my intention to repeat the word "LEECH"(<--).

[Auredant]

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.
U can argue that the path involves the mission quest lines...I don't see how smackin pink birds for 20 levels contributes to the "experience" of an RPG. When ppl remember past RPGs they remember the boss battles and storyline...not the random mobs on the way.

[Auredant]

Makes no sense to argue with a Leech. They are just too much of a Leech.
Hopefully, they will just leave the game after they've leeched all their jobs through the abyss. So, the Leeching will end.
However, this thread-titel is so ridiculous that i won't put anymore effort in this discussion.
And yes, it was my intention to repeat the word "LEECH"(<--).

Leech racism!!!!!! Where would be without leeches? No carbys ruby? No mp drainkiss? Oh the calamity!

[Vadreucant]

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

[Komori]

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

Just because dynamis has a restriction everything needs to?
Let there be 65 level restriction on all rank or various other storyline missions, as well for all BCNMs etc. And in every zone with an abyssean maw in it, that means no dunes for anyone below the big boy level.

[Lynchilles]

in any MMORPG and or RPG you play, the game as a whole is about the path to AND the end, not just the path, or not just the end.

Again, I didn't know there was only one way to experience a MMORPG.

The path sucks. The end is where I want to be and as quickly as possible. Why do I have to enjoy both again?

Anyway, stop imposing your e-morality on others. No one has to play the game they way you think they should play it. If you want me to play the game the way you want, then pay my monthly subscription.

Otherwise, shut your mouth.

Once again: I am in support of lowering the cap to 1 for Abyssea.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Again, I didn't know there was only one way to experience a MMORPG.

The path sucks. The end is where I want to be and as quickly as possible. Why do I have to enjoy both again?

Anyway, stop imposing your e-morality on others. No one has to play the game they way you think they should play it. If you want me to play the game the way you want, then pay my monthly subscription.

Otherwise, shut your mouth.

Once again: I am in support of lowering the cap to 1 for Abyssea.

my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

[Kuishen]

Well letting lvl 1s in to abyssea just makes more underskilled lazy people and I know that it bothers me to watch a fellow LS membergo from 30 to 90 in a couple days being level 90 doesnt mean what it should. You have to be level 65+ to get into Dynamis so why not do the same for abyssea or even raise it to 75+

I honestly think that it's one or two people coming in here and repeating the exact same horseshit.

1. Leeching does not make you a bad player. For the umpteenth time. Being a bad player and not doing research on how to play your job makes you a bad player.

2. "being level 90 doesnt mean what it should" What should it mean? Because it looks to me as if you're butthurt because you thought that being level 75, 90 etc. meant something, when it never did. All it means is that you are at cap, hurray, that doesn't make you better than anybody else.

[Kuishen]

my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

Baseless arguments here! Get your baseless arguments here! Only $12.95 a month! Baseless arguments anybody!?

[Chiibi]

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[Vadreucant]

I totally agree with you there. Why make this game so easy if you are so lazy that you dont want to work on anyhting at all then you need to find a different game ot play.

[Kuishen]

I totally agree with you there. Why make this game so easy if you are so lazy that you dont want to work on anyhting at all then you need to find a different game ot play.

You're implying the only thing to do in the game worthwhile is leveling. Again, baseless argument.

[Chiibi]

it doesnt matter how you get to 90 to be honest, as long as you put the effort to catch up to everyone then it doesnt matter >.>

[Vadreucant]

I honestly think that it's one or two people coming in here and repeating the exact same horseshit.

1. Leeching does not make you a bad player. For the umpteenth time. Being a bad player and not doing research on how to play your job makes you a bad player.

2. "being level 90 doesnt mean what it should" What should it mean? Because it looks to me as if you're butthurt because you thought that being level 75, 90 etc. meant something, when it never did. All it means is that you are at cap, hurray, that doesn't make you better than anybody else.

ok I didnt say it made you better or worse than anyone being level 90 all I meant was it showed you were willing to take the time to actually do something with your character and leeching does not make you a bad player either but dont bitch when you cant hit anything. underskilled jobs are just as bad as underleveled jobs.

[Yarly]

Leveling is not part of this game anymore. It hasn't been since abyssea came out. Thus make it a lot easier so everyone can enjoy the game at the level cap.

[Lynchilles]

my e-morality? wow people sure like to make things up, your in supprt of lv1 entry to abyssea? so your are in support of the game becoming so easy that it becomes boring and worthless to the point of being shut down?

Anyone who supports the 1lv abyssea cap, fails to realize how much it would hurt the game as a whole, I never told anyone they should be playing a specific way, I am telling people how much abyssea has hurt the game, and that lowering it's access to 1lv could in turn "end" the game.

Seriously, do you have any grasp on logical reasoning whatsoever?

The game already is easy. The game has been easy for years.

If there is anything "hard" about this game, it is the amount of time it takes to acomplish something.

This is what I get for arguing with someone with such a heavy dependence on inductive reasoning.

I will try to convey what I mean in the simplest terms possible:

What you think is "fun" and "enjoyable" in a video game is NOT what everyone else might think is "fun" and "enjoyable" in a video game

[Viiviian]

meh i say leave cap, at least work for it a little and the damage is alrdy done ppl alrdy leeched and have jobs to 90 and have no clue how to play the job. why bother enless you feel board that you have to leech to feel like your the greatest Leech i mean player there is in the game. if you know you are usefull at lvl 70+ then go in at 70 if you wana leech then leech and SE might as well take it to lvl 1. just my 2cents ^.~

[Kuishen]

ok I didnt say it made you better or worse than anyone being level 90 all I meant was it showed you were willing to take the time to actually do something with your character and leeching does not make you a bad player either but dont bitch when you cant hit anything. underskilled jobs are just as bad as underleveled jobs.

Cause skilling up is hard. Do you even read your posts before you make them? Because honestly you have absolutely no argument here. I'm still convinced you're just butthurt because you thought level 75 or 90 was an accomplishment.

[Saefinn]

It doesn't exactly take that long to level from 1 to level 30, especially with the exp increase. Can people really complain that it takes too long to level from 1 to 30? It's difficult to find a level 30+ party, a lot of my invites are for Qufim and Abyssea. If I want to party elsewhere, it's harder to find a party. But I'm happy that if I need exp, I can get a party without leeching without too much trouble, even if means I have to start one myself. Level 1+ Abyssea leeches would change that. Personally I hate leeching, a friend encouraged me to check out Abyssea in his party even though my job was capped at 60 (so I was just receiving cruor) and I was bored. I felt more comfortable taking Scholar from level 50 to 70 because a friend was in desperate need of another healer and found that whilst I wasn't the best possible healer, I was at least useful, even though I would have prefered a non-Aby party. Sure it took me a 9 hour session to go from 40 to 50 and would take a lot longer to go from 50 to 70, when it only took 3 hours in Abyssea. Getting to level 50 to 70 in any other Final Fantasy game wouldn't take 3 hours, it also takes longer, not as long as a FFXI outside of Aby. I just don't want parties to be hurt by Abyssea. So I don't like the idea of having Abyssea to have no level restrictions. I don't mind people leeching in Aby as level 30+, as I said, it doesn't take long to get to level 30, it doesn't spoil grinding for everybody else and those in Aby, at least play their job before hitting Aby.

[Richard]

Down with Abyssea.

[tanng]

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 :). yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

[Ramsos]

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 :). yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

[tanng]

There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

[Ramsos]

just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

[tanng]

You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

[Ramsos]

you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.

Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.

[tanng]

Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.



Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.
interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

[Ramsos]

interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

I agree 100% that abyssea content is very easy to blow through quickly. But I believe that right now is a holding pattern for ffxi. SE is gonna either add true endgame content at 99 or they are gonna update old events. I hated grinding exp the old way. I had no intention of ever leveling another job (I did 8 to 75 before level sync and one more after), but now I'm considering doing more jobs. Personally I like the way abyssea is now, I like having the option to level a new job quickly if my shell starts to have a shortage of a certain key job. If the cap was raised, this option wouldnt be as readily available.

[Veg]

The problem with the low cap is the other areas are not being used. Imo they should raise the cap. My first 3 jobs where done the hardway by leveling in crawlers nest and yhoater jungle and bhaflau thickets ect. Going to 30 then aby is just lame. It takes away from ff what made it good. U need to earn ur levels least ur first one. Raise the cap Yo.

[rog]

The problem with the low cap is the other areas are not being used.
The problem with technology is that now almost no one can farm/hunt properly.

[RaenRyong]

Should remove technology so the tiny proportion of people who enjoy hunting for their food will be happy then. It's the only logical solution.

[Malamasala]

Do we also get to go back to clubbing our women? So much easier than trying to ask them out.

[rog]

Should remove technology so the tiny proportion of people who enjoy hunting for their food will be happy then. It's the only logical solution.
This. I want to go farming, but it takes too long to do by myself, so i need help, but no one wants to do it, because they can sit back in an office all day playing ffxi and make 5x more money.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

oh please the tired, half assed, excused of a reply "well we should remove technology too" please that is not somthing to compare this with.

[rog]

oh please the tired, half assed, excused of a reply "well we should remove technology too" please that is not somthing to compare this with.
Yes it is. Technology break through have nearly obsoleted farming/hunting. It's so efficient now that we only need a relatively small amount of farmers to feed the entire world. So now, instead of everyone being forced to farm just to feed themselves, people are able to do other things with their time, and just buy all their food.

Like wise, in ffxi exping is so efficient that we don't need to actually do it ourselves, leaving us more free time to do things we actually want to do.

It's exactly the same.

[Rambus]

game =/= rl

by that logic we should deleate all the old zones and only play in abyssea.

[rog]

by that logic we should deleate all the old zones and only play in abyssea.
wat

By what logic?

[Kazen]

Didn't you get the memo rog? When farming became better because of technology we abandoned that extra land never to do anything ever again there. That's why we as humans still live in small communities that consists of villages of a few hundred peop... oh wait.

P.S: Rambus your sig has a typo but I'm not going to tell you where; by using logic you should be able to figure it out.

[rog]

Didn't you get the memo rog? When farming became better because of technology we abandoned that extra land never to do anything ever again there. That's why we as humans still live in small communities that consists of villages of a few hundred people
Oh, ok. Must have missed that one.

[KorPoni]

When it was released, SE stated that abyssea "Was designed to challenge players level 75 and above." So why the hell not allow only people 75 and above to go there? "We don't hafta work for our food, so why do we hafta earn our own experience?" Um, that sounds along the same lines of "buying my gil with my mom's money using rmts" and "Why get a job when I can just bum money from my friends who actually work?" Please, don't make yourselves look any more shameful. Atleast be quietly lazy. Don't blab it off for everyone to see you're wasting our time.

[RaenRyong]

Can you explain how "designed to challenge players level 75 and above" means "designed to only allow players level 75 and above to gain experience"?

[Greatguardian]

Can you explain how "designed to challenge players level 75 and above" means "designed to only allow players level 75 and above to gain experience"?

Pretty much all I've garnered from 2500~ posts in all these threads is that some people seem to think "Challenging Players" is equivalent to "Gaining Experience Points". Those that make that association hate Abyssea leeching. Those that don't make that association don't give a shit.

Makes you wonder how much content the majority of the playerbase has even experienced if EXP, Dynamis, and Story/Expansion Missions are considered difficult. I'm not even saying that to be facetious. It seems like a huge number of players have simply never even done all of 75-endgame, and that's sad.

[rog]

When it was released, SE stated that abyssea "Was designed to challenge players level 75 and above." So why the hell not allow only people 75 and above to go there? "We don't hafta work for our food, so why do we hafta earn our own experience?" Um, that sounds along the same lines of "buying my gil with my mom's money using rmts" and "Why get a job when I can just bum money from my friends who actually work?" Please, don't make yourselves look any more shameful. Atleast be quietly lazy. Don't blab it off for everyone to see you're wasting our time.How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

Getting a job and buying food instead of making our own food = not getting a job and leeching off others?

The entire point was that we can get a job doing something else, so instead of directly getting X for ourselves, we can pay someone to get it for us, with all the extra money we have.

If you can make 10m gil per hour, but only earn 100k exp per hour, and could buy exp for 100k exp=1m gil, what would you do? Would you ever farm exp? Or would you simply farm gil, and convert that gil into exp? If you have a brain, you would never exp, unless you just really enjoyed it, and instead opt to farm gil, buy exp, and then use the remaining time to do something enjoyable.

Would you ask LeBron James to stop playing basketball, and farm his own food? Of course not. He can make so much money playing basketball, that he can afford to buy all the food he ever wants, along with almost anything else he wants/needs. And still have tons of time to spend doing things he really loves to do. Why would he ever spend his time doing hard work out on a farm? It just doesn't make sense.

This is why everyone should be required to take econ 101 in middle+high school. We'd see a lot less of these outrageous comparisons, and seeing people suggest things like doing things for yourself. Why would you ever want to do everything yourself? Self sufficiency is a terrible thing. Why would you want to be self sufficient and do everything on your own, when you can pay someone else who can do the jobs more efficiently, and cheaper for you?

[Yarly]

Pretty much all I've garnered from 2500~ posts in all these threads is that some people seem to think "Challenging Players" is equivalent to "Gaining Experience Points". Those that make that association hate Abyssea leeching. Those that don't make that association don't give a shit.

Makes you wonder how much content the majority of the playerbase has even experienced if EXP, Dynamis, and Story/Expansion Missions are considered difficult. I'm not even saying that to be facetious. It seems like a huge number of players have simply never even done all of 75-endgame, and that's sad.

It's unfortunate that those casuals are also the ones bitchig the loudest too =\

[viion]

whats goign on guis

[Kanjitai]

I have seen people support a decrease in the level to enter abyssea and those who think there needs to be an increase. I think there needs to be an increase. 70 or 75. I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

If SE did this a rework of the leveling system should be in order. One thing they could do is make all 20 jobs useful so that we don't have the return of your this job and useless.

[rog]

I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.
Weird, i leeched a job up to 85, and by the next day, i was better than 90% of others who played it. Must just be you.

[viion]

leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

I think thats just you :D Skill ups are insanely easy and fast now and much-much easier than levelling the old way. Also it isn't hard to learn your job. Grinding and repeating the same button price for a month doesn't make you better than someone who button pressed for a day. that's like saying you're more skilled at using the TV remote. haha.

There is no benefit to levelling the old way than leeching.

[Kanjitai]

I tryed leeching and I don't think it works for me. I've even been willing to pay the former of the group to let me leech. I got a few people telling me they pay not to have me.

[HFX7686]

I have seen people support a decrease in the level to enter abyssea and those who think there needs to be an increase. I think there needs to be an increase. 70 or 75. I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

If SE did this a rework of the leveling system should be in order. One thing they could do is make all 20 jobs useful so that we don't have the return of your this job and useless.

Leveling the old fashioned way, in a party of six, does not guarantee player skill. It will likely let you keep your magic/combat skills up to date, but that is fairly meaningless because you can do that on your own in a few days afterward anyway.

All 20 jobs are useful for some things, just not all jobs for all things.

[Greatguardian]

All 20 jobs are useful for some things, just not all jobs for all things.

This.

Abyssea did more to level the job playing field than any other update/patch/expansion in the game's history. If someone wants to pull the "I leeched my job and found out I don't know how to play it" card (re: Kanjitai), I'd have to ask why you didn't just research your job and/or ask the community. It's really not difficult at all to learn any job in the game.

[Andylynn]

This.

Abyssea did more to level the job playing field than any other update/patch/expansion in the game's history. If someone wants to pull the "I leeched my job and found out I don't know how to play it" card (re: Kanjitai), I'd have to ask why you didn't just research your job and/or ask the community. It's really not difficult at all to learn any job in the game.

The key to the heavens is in your last sentence. It make me wonder, why do people assume someone who did a 30-90 leech is incapable of learning the job? EXP parties don't teach much, if not anything at all. Player skill comes from practice, and if someone took the time to read a few forums, watch a few videos, ask some people, whatever; skilled up, and jumped into a fight, should be fine as log as they aren't inept at applying what theyve learned.

[Corwin]

It make me wonder, why do people assume someone who did a 30-90 leech is incapable of learning the job?

A fairly safe assumption to make on Asura. The BlitheringIdiot:Competent ratio is somewhere between winning the lotto and getting struck by lightning.

[HFX7686]

A fairly safe assumption to make on Asura. The BlitheringIdiot:Competent ratio is somewhere between winning the lotto and getting struck by lightning.

Glad I'm not being merged into Asura then!