[dev1097] Newly Added Control Config.

[Krashport]

Thank's so much for tweaking the keyboard.

I would like to suggest, Could you please tweak the Xbox 360 controller.

A.)
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn80/Krashport/xbox-controller.png

I've noticed that these buttons on the Xbox 360 controller don't work with Final Fantasy XI, Personally I don't use the Xbox 360 for playing Final Fantasy XI, But this might make a few people happy.

A.) Z ax L and Z ax R doesn't not work with Final Fantasy XI. Could you please look into this and maybe fix it, Thanks for your time Dev's!

[oliveira]

These don't work because the Windows driver treats them as a single analog axis (they are meant to be used with DRIVING games as GAS/BRAKE pedals...) and FFXI expects digital buttons for the macro buttons. I suggest you use the BACK and START buttons for these functions. :)

Or you can install a 3rd party driver for the XBOX360 controller and that driver has the option of making LT and RT work as DIGITAL buttons. Good luck :)

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Agree 100% with this thread.

That said, for now you can use XBCD to get 'em working with FFXI. I'm sure there is another as well.

[Kaisha]

These don't work because the Windows driver treats them as a single analog axis (they are meant to be used with DRIVING games as GAS/BRAKE pedals...) and FFXI expects digital buttons for the macro buttons. I suggest you use the BACK and START buttons for these functions. :)

Or you can install a 3rd party driver for the XBOX360 controller and that driver has the option of making LT and RT work as DIGITAL buttons. Good luck :)
Or FFXI can just add support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API which is the official means of interfacing with 360 controllers, and it bypasses the stuff the Control Panel has for the controller.

[oliveira]

Or FFXI can just add support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API which is the official means of interfacing with 360 controllers, and it bypasses the stuff the Control Panel has for the controller.

Actually, that's how the XBOX360 version works, no ?

It's up to the devs, then... But you can still use an high end Logitech pad which is 1000 times better than a XBOX360 pad...

[Kaisha]

What's the point of buying another controller for a specific game when the one you already own is more than good enough for the job?

The excuses are stupid, and it wouldn't kill the devs to spend two hours implementing the API within their existing controller config menu. Not everyone has the know-how to install the 3rd-party controller drivers, and most of them tend to also muck up official GFW controller support on top of that.

[wildsprite]

they should be able to implement the support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API, its not like they dont know how to do it, it was the only supported API in XIV at the last time I checked a few months ago, besides xinput is faster than directx so they should consider it anyway

[FrankReynolds]

They really need to fix this. Having to install unsigned drivers just to get a decent controller to work is a very bad thing.

On a side note: Has anyone gotten PS3 controllers to work reliably with FFXI on the PC? I hate the idea of spending $40 on a new controller, but I would do it to have a wireless controller that doesn't suck (I'm looking at you Logitech).

[wildsprite]

Actually, that's how the XBOX360 version works, no ?

It's up to the devs, then... But you can still use an high end Logitech pad which is 1000 times better than a XBOX360 pad...

there was a time I would have agreed with you but the fact the logitech controllers that are better than theXBOX360 pad come at a considerably higher cost and do not take as much of a beating as the XBOX360 pad does have changed that opinion considerably, for me its xbox360 wireless pad, logitech wireless trackball mouse and keyboard, logitech can keep their controllers

for XI I use a DirectX driver from a Japanese dev that windows 7 sees as signed and for almost everything else the default MS driver

[Lisotte]

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

[Zhronne]

Thank's so much for tweaking the keyboard.

I would like to suggest, Could you please tweak the Xbox 360 controller.

This is not an issue with the game, well, not only.
I already made another thread some weeks ago, can read it HERE (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/25711-Suggestion-Update-game-controller-support-for-Windows)
This issue concerns BOTH the game AND the X360 original Microsoft drivers.
It could be fixed on any of the sides, but it's unlikely MS will ever do anything about it.
Allow me to explain a bit further.

Xbox360 pad is able to work in two ways: Direct Input (dinput) mode and Xinput.
The first one was tipically used in old games, up to directX 8 (FFXI uses DX8), the latter is used on more recent games, tipically DX9 onwards titles.
MS drivers do not allow you to set the trigger buttons as digital buttons. That mans that the way Dinput typically works, the game will see those two triggers as a third axis, called the X axis. One trigger will work from the range 0+255, the other from the range 0-255.


Ways this can be solved


User side
You can install custom drivers that will allow you to change various settings, among which making the game think the triggers are digital buttons and not Z-Axis.
You can use XBCD drivers if you have a wired version, or Masahiko Morii's drivers if you have a wireless version. Mr. Morii realized drivers also for the the wired one. They are available on both english and japanese and work even for Windows 7 x64.
I used Morii's drivers on my old PC. For some reason they aren't working very well on my new PC (well, they triggers work but the right analogue stick doesn't. Sigh...)
Microsoft side
Microsoft should release new drivers with additional settings fixing this issue which is present only on very old PC games (DX8 ones). We all know this ain't happening
SquareEnix side
They release a new controller handling software. Either with specific settings (and not the generic DX8 ones currently implemented) to handle triggers as digital, which would be a bit complicated tbh, or by allowing Xinput peripherals to work with FFXI, that way we would be able to use X360 pad in Xinput mode instead of Dinput mode. This would technically be simple, in theory, but in reality I'm afraid it could be a bit complicated to update FFXI's support from DX8 to DX9 (xinput requires DX9 I think)
Emulation
There is a software called x360ce that you can find at THIS (http://code.google.com/p/x360ce/) address that allows old dinput-only pad to work in emulation mode. That means that this software makes your PC think that the dinput pad you connect to your PC is not a dinput pad, but an X360 pad working in Xinput mode.
The same guys said they would like to work on a "reverse emulator", that means an xinput peripheral like the X360 gamepad, to work in dinput mode. With an emulator like this you would probably be able to fix the issue and make the game believe triggers are digital and not Z-axis. Problem is we don't know if such a reverse emulator will ever be developed.
Other
Someone else takes the time to develop new custom drivers.
The already mentioned XBCD are an old Xbox1 project modified to work for X360 pad too, but the people currently mantaining the project alive didn't create it, so they have little knowledge of every single codeline inside the drivers, and hence have been unable to make big updates or to make so those custom drivers work with a wireless controller as well.
If someone else were to realize some custom drivers then the problem would be solved.
We all know this too is highly unlikely because seriously, how many still currently played DX8 games do you know that use a gamepad? Not many. Which means there is little "need" from the users, and hence little "interest" and hence nobody will ever bother to make such drivers.

[FrankReynolds]

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

Will those work with wireless PS3 controllers? Wired 360 controls already work (and I'm pretty happy with everything but the wire), so an adapter for another wired controller would be pointless. Maybe I'll just try one anyways. It's only a few bucks. Is that what you use?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Will those work with wireless PS3 controllers? Wired 360 controls already work (and I'm pretty happy with everything but the wire), so an adapter for another wired controller would be pointless. Maybe I'll just try one anyways. It's only a few bucks. Is that what you use?

Can get a Driver that works wireless, requires you to buy a specific bluetooth card though. Google MotionInJoy.

[cidbahamut]

There's a simple solution...

Get a $5-10 adaptor, plug your good old ps2 controller in.

Problem solved. Works easy, rumble, analog sticks and everything. XI was designed for that controller too, and the 360's triggers and d-pad are crap for this game.

I've never gotten rumble to work using that method. Besides, this is something SE should fix regardless of there being workarounds available. End users shouldn't have to resort to workarounds.

[Nala]

I have issues with xbcd not working properly...

[Zhronne]

Can get a Driver that works wireless, requires you to buy a specific bluetooth card though. Google MotionInJoy.
I can confirm MotionInJoy works fine with FFXI using a PS3 pad. You need to attach that pad through an USB cable though, or at least it did when I used it. Does it work on BlueTooth protocol now if you have a bluetooth receiver in your PC?

Either way motionInJoy is a particularly annoying software to use, if you ask me. Each time you have to load it before the game etc. Dunno, I found it particularly annoying when I had to use it some time ago.



@Nala
Try with Masahiko Morii's X360 drivers then. I linked them in the other thread.

[oliveira]

Currently MotionInJoy works fine with SixAxis, Dualshock 3 and all PS MOVE peripherals through bluetooth connection.

[Zhronne]

Bump! Hoping the dev guys will be able to give some info about this.

[FrankReynolds]

Currently MotionInJoy works fine with SixAxis, Dualshock 3 and all PS MOVE peripherals through bluetooth connection.

How hard is that to set up? I might try out a PS3 controller if getting it installed isn't too wonky.

[Zhronne]

Let's keep bumping these threads guys, hoping someone upthere will finally notice them and convey the message to the dev team :)

[Zhronne]

Bumpity bump!

[oliveira]

How hard is that to set up? I might try out a PS3 controller if getting it installed isn't too wonky.

Very simple. You can just hook the PS3 controller to a PC using the USB cable and after a minor dealing into the motion joy program window (install the driver and enable the controller) it's working as a native windows compatible game controller.

If you want to use it wirelessly, you can just buy one of the supported bluetooth antennas and install the custom motion in joy driver. Again, after some minor driver replacing using the motion in joy main app, you have your controller paired with the BT antenna and again, ready to go.

[wildsprite]

if you want signed directX xb360 drivers look at this post

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/25711-Suggestion-Update-game-controller-support-for-Windows?p=355305&viewfull=1#post355305

while those drivers in the link do work, the solution should however still lie in the hands of the FFXI devs for xinput support

[Zhronne]

bumpity bump, don't overlook this issue people, please

[Zhronne]

bim bum bump

[Mirage]

Personally, I use MotionInJoy to connect my PS3 controller via USB. The functionality of the controller is almost perfect, but god damn, the MIJ control panel thing is terrible. Pretty buggy, typos everywhere, GUI redraws slowly, etc.

I wish Sony would release official Dualshock 3 drivers for Windows. After all, they make a decent chunk of money selling DS3 gamepads, and I think official Windows support would perhaps let them sell a few more.

Anyway, with this, the PS3 controller works like it should, and R2/L2 is detected as a z-axis which is usable for anything you can set an axis to control in the FF11 gamepad settings. However, the gamepad utility does not support setting an axis to be used as a normal button, like FF14 supports. Additionally, there are no options in the gamepad utility to bind buttons to camera zoom, and a few other key bindings are also missing in the gamepad config.

I would wish for a new gamepad configurator to be made available, where we could bind any gamepad button/axis freely to any of the hotkeys currently available when using the keyboard.

To make an extreme example: If I am insane and want to bind alt-macros to "right analog stick moved forward", the config utility should let me.

[Zhronne]

MIJ is very buggy and you need either a Bluetooth receiver in your PC or an USB cable =(
And while this is very subjective, I personally find the position of analog sticks on the X360 controller much more comfortable than the one on the PS3 pad.

[Mirage]

Either works for me, but I'm the most used to the DS3 positioning.

[Ladyofdragons]

Bump, I feel This should really be fixed already.

[Zhronne]

Everybody who's interested in this, please "Like" the first post. It's the best instrument we have to let community reps and devs know how much we care about this.

[Zhronne]

bubble bump!

[Zhronne]

mini-bump! :D

[Vivik]

As much as I am used to not having those buttons. It would be nice to be able to use them without resorting to unsigned driver software. Make it happen SE!

[Zhronne]

Mini bump! More love needed for this thread

[gtag]

BUMP BUMP BUMP! this needs to be sorted!

[Infidi]

They really need to fix this. Having to install unsigned drivers just to get a decent controller to work is a very bad thing.

On a side note: Has anyone gotten PS3 controllers to work reliably with FFXI on the PC? I hate the idea of spending $40 on a new controller, but I would do it to have a wireless controller that doesn't suck (I'm looking at you Logitech).

There's a program that lets you assign a driver to let ps3 controller work if attached through its charging wire. It's what I use since my 360 controller died lol. I think it even lets you sync it wirelessly if your computer has Bluetooth. The name eludes me at the moment. I think I just googled for it. ****Edit. Found it. http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-use-a-ps3-controller-on-a-pc/ Edit again: Guess I should see if I read the last page or not lol. Oh well bump I guess. -.-

[odericko]

Would really like to see this sorted. Getting the Xbox drivers that let you assign the triggers as analog buttons is a pain to get to work with Windows 7/8 signed drivers feature.

[Alhanelem]

They're trying to tell you to use the keyboard, which is a superior input device anyway.

[odericko]

They're trying to tell you to use the keyboard, which is a superior input device anyway.

I'm a PC gamer and the only thing I feel like keyboard/mouse is better for is FPS/strategy/other first person games. When playing platformers, RPG's, racing games, 3rd person action games, etc controller always feels more "right".

[Alhanelem]

I'm a PC gamer and the only thing I feel like keyboard/mouse is better for is FPS/strategy/other first person games. When playing platformers, RPG's, racing games, 3rd person action games, etc controller always feels more "right".

For me it comes down to the simple fact that even an ordinary keyboard (many gaming keyboards have lots more) has 100+ buttons. It may be bulkier than a gamepad, but it offers far more functionality. FFXI does not require precision analog movement for anything, thus I don't need analog sticks. the new UI coming soon will solve the problem of the mouse input being totally terrible and useless in this game (at least, I hope). Moving with the mouse in XI is 8-directional rather than analog, it's a really clunky system that makes the mouse useless. If it were improved, I would be using both mouse and keyboard, not just the mouse.

I should point out that XI uses first and third person perspective, which falls under what you say a keyboard and mouse is better for.

"feel" is a very subjective term. Functionality is a lot more important to me than "feel."

[odericko]

For me it comes down to the simple fact that even an ordinary keyboard (many gaming keyboards have lots more) has 100+ buttons. It may be bulkier than a gamepad, but it offers far more functionality. FFXI does not require precision analog movement for anything, thus I don't need analog sticks. the new UI coming soon will solve the problem of the mouse input being totally terrible and useless in this game (at least, I hope). Moving with the mouse in XI is 8-directional rather than analog, it's a really clunky system that makes the mouse useless. If it were improved, I would be using both mouse and keyboard, not just the mouse.

I should point out that XI uses first and third person perspective, which falls under what you say a keyboard and mouse is better for.

"feel" is a very subjective term. Functionality is a lot more important to me than "feel."

FFXI doesn't need close to those 100 buttons, just as you don't need the analog sticks. People play with gamepads just fine, as it was designed for one - and because it feels better, it is better (IMO of course, as posting on this forum is for). If we were talking about a game that was designed for keyboard in mind, of course it would be superior. But there is no way I can play a console port (which is what FFXI is tbh) with a keyboard + mouse over a gamepad. Even those with good kb+m controls like Saints Row 3 I still use gamepad over.

And FFXI is in no way a first person game - it's a 3rd person MMORPG. Just because you can zoom in first person doesn't doesn't classify it as a first person game that keyboard/mouse is more suited too, it's entirely different.

[Zhronne]

Let's not turn this into another Gamepad vs Keyboard fight please.
At this point we both should acknowledge that there are pros and cons in both system and that users will come to like one more than the others.

What's beyond our personal needs and our personal tastes is the fact that in 2013 SE *HAS* to do something about this, no matter what it is.
Please SE, give us an official answer on this topic.


Please people, like the first post to give this thread better visibility.

[Alhanelem]

FFXI doesn't need close to those 100 buttons, just as you don't need the analog sticks.CTRL and ALT + 0-9 > flipping through the macro bar with the dpad. I don't know how anyone with the gamepad even does it, its such a huge advantage, especially on a keyboard with macro keys that seems to eliminate the slight bit of lag in pressing the buttons seperately.

Even if you don't use all the keys as gameplay buttons, there's also the obvious advantage of not having to constantly pick up and put down the controller to type out messages- because whether you use a controller or not, you still need the keyboard for chat. Why use both when just the keyboard can do both jobs?

The controller's primary advantage comes into play with the analog sticks (and in some cases, the analog butotns). But neither of these is really needed for FFXI.


What's beyond our personal needs and our personal tastes is the fact that in 2013 SE *HAS* to do something about this, no matter what it is.What do you want them to do about it? Getting SE to update the game to 2012 tech standards is like getting Ford to retrofit the model T for today's market. e.g. integrating xinput into their PS2 emulator or whatever you want to call the game engine is probably easier said than done, and they're busy with a whole new expansion right now. I totally agree with you in the sense that something that's broken should be fixed- But it took 10 years for them to come up with a PC-friendly UI...

[Mayoyama]

Can get a Driver that works wireless, requires you to buy a specific bluetooth card though. Google MotionInJoy.

I play with a cheap wired ps3 controller plugged in via usb and I am using motionjoy... dont HAVE to have bluetooth

[Demon6324236]

CTRL and ALT + 0-9 > flipping through the macro bar with the dpad. I don't know how anyone with the gamepad even does it, its such a huge advantage, especially on a keyboard with macro keys that seems to eliminate the slight bit of lag in pressing the buttons seperately.I think people do it mostly like I do, they use a keyboard for macros, the same one as to type and talk, while doing almost everything else on a controller. Its what I do/did with my Xbox, and now I play PC almost exclusively because I have to use my USB keyboard on my PC thanks to my spacebar breaking on my laptops built-in spacebar. That is the only way I could stand to play on Xbox at all honestly.

[xbobx]

Motionjoy has issues. I got it to connect bluetooth once, now it wont. It also messes up other devices on your computer. If you have motionjoy installed, you will not be able to use logitech unified receivers. The software won't recognize it and your keyboard and mouse will be useless.

[xbobx]

CTRL and ALT + 0-9 > flipping through the macro bar with the dpad. I don't know how anyone with the gamepad even does it, its such a huge advantage, especially on a keyboard with macro keys that seems to eliminate the slight bit of lag in pressing the buttons seperately.

Even if you don't use all the keys as gameplay buttons, there's also the obvious advantage of not having to constantly pick up and put down the controller to type out messages- because whether you use a controller or not, you still need the keyboard for chat. Why use both when just the keyboard can do both jobs?

The controller's primary advantage comes into play with the analog sticks (and in some cases, the analog butotns). But neither of these is really needed for FFXI.

What do you want them to do about it? Getting SE to update the game to 2012 tech standards is like getting Ford to retrofit the model T for today's market. e.g. integrating xinput into their PS2 emulator or whatever you want to call the game engine is probably easier said than done, and they're busy with a whole new expansion right now. I totally agree with you in the sense that something that's broken should be fixed- But it took 10 years for them to come up with a PC-friendly UI...


If I had no choice but to use keyboard, i would never play this game. Love the gamepad, only way I will ever play.

[Alhanelem]

If I had no choice but to use keyboard, i would never play this game. Love the gamepad, only way I will ever play.
Learn it, live it, love it. You're just used to the controller, simple as that. Nobody wants to let go of what they're used to. But once you get used to a keyboard, you realize its better for these games. If your first video game was on a computer, you'd probably be singing a different tune.

I'm going to go over to your house and steal your xbox controllers and see if you quit or not.


disclaimer, not serious.


I think people do it mostly like I do, they use a keyboard for macros, the same one as to type and talk, while doing almost everything else on a controller.other than move around, there's nothing left to do but confirm/cancel, so if you've gone this far you may as well just press enter and esc instead of pick up the controller to press whatever buttons you set to do those things. Having to pick it up and put it down constantly just slows you down. And don't talk to me about that little messenger pad thing- those buttons are too tiny to 'type' on with any speed.

[FrankReynolds]

I would love to see a survey. I have serious doubts about any significant number of players using keyboard / mouse only.

[xbobx]

I actually did quit for a while because couldn't get a controller worling. Playing pup and ranger and the constant mashing, i would be all cramped up. I am the other way, I don't know how anyone can use a keyboard. Is it hard to move and do macros at the same time?

[Alhanelem]

I would love to see a survey. I have serious doubts about any significant number of players using keyboard / mouse only.
I don't need a survey to tell you that a majority players not on a console use the keyboard. And part of it doesn't even have anything to do with the merits of one or the other but to do with the simple fact that essentially every PC has a mouse and keyboard. A gamepad is an accessory, to be purchased if you so desire- It is not necessary or required, therefore people will only get a gamepad for a PC if they really want one.

PC gamers almost always use the mouse and keyboard. Gamepads and other more specialized devices are typically used when you want to go for the "couch experience" (though I personally have no problem using a keyboard on the couch- get a nice wireless one for this)

One of the games I still play regularly on my Wii is Monster Hunter 3. This is an online action-RPGish type game with some MMOish features. Because it actually has unrestricted chat I plug a USB keyboard into my Wii for chat- So believe me when I tell you I have experience with trying to play a game with chat with a controller and also trying to type on the keyboard- You just can't do it in a heated situation. You either need your controls to be on the keyboard or you get your arse handed to you while you type.


Is it hard to move and do macros at the same time? Nope. Thumb on the alt key and use left pinky, fore or index finger to press 1234, right hand for the rest, while middle finger remains on the WAS or D keys (using the "compact" layout, which IMHO is far superior to FFXI's default keyboard controls- but that's just my personal taste, which comes from playing FPS/action games where WASD controls are most common). Just like playing with a controller, its something you get used to. I have a Logitech G15 keyboard with 18 macro keys on the left side, I just tap these for most of my macros instead of haivng to use a key combo- makes PUP maneuvers and pet commands a breeze. There are many other keyboards out there designed for gaming as well. You don't NEED one but the extra keys can be useful, particularly if a game binds necessary controls to unusual positions.

[Lokithor]

The ONLY way to open a soft boiled egg is at the small end. Anyone telling you to open the big end is an IDIOT!!

[Alhanelem]

The ONLY way to open a soft boiled egg is at the small end. Anyone telling you to open the big end is an IDIOT!!
I prefer to open them from the side- side meaning the area perpindicular to the axis running through the center of the big and small ends.

Anyone who doesn't do this is a MORON!

[xbobx]

I never open eggs, I crack them, shell them, never open. maybe because I never found the egg knob yet.

[odericko]

The ONLY way to open a soft boiled egg is at the small end. Anyone telling you to open the big end is an IDIOT!!

Pretty much what this thread comes down to (the last few pages anyway).

[Trumpy]

i never can click on anything correctly using a mouse right now. i can try and click on a player directly in front of me but it never seems to select them half the time. i feel i can control better and faster on a controller than keyboard. its easier to hit left or right on my dpad to target quickly then to think if i need to hold shift while hittin tab and if i overshoot to reverse what im hitting to get to the target. and many more things. macros are within reach (i can move and fiddle with menus or macros at the same time) whereas macros on a keyboard can be a stretch depending on where it is located.

Alhanelem must have some big Galkan hands cause i jsut tested this and i thinki have big hands and its a bit of a stretch to hold alt with thumb and reach my numpad to move. seriosuly tho a controller is comfortable and allows one to easily reach all the games functions without ridiculous stretches. and im sure on most PC games people use keyboard mouse but this game id bet controller use is much higher. for me it is nigh impossible to make the finger stretches to hit the keys combos for macros and move at the same time (especially without looking straight at the keyboard to make sure my fingers are hitting the right ones) compared to the in my hands feel of a controller i can use with instinct without even looking at.

I have tried the logitech controllers and i did really prefer them. but the only logitech controllers i can find these days break in 1-3 months and doubled in price from the first one i bought to play this game. I take good care of my controllers but the wires all started to break at the top of the controller in the same spot and some of the buttons would start messing up. I went thru bout 5 of them before i decided to pay a bit more for a xbox controller that still hasnt broke and is wireless.

funny i posted this checking out the last post and when i hit submit there was like 30 more posts. didnt feel liek it took me 30 mins to type this or anything.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't need a survey to tell you that a majority players not on a console use the keyboard. And part of it doesn't even have anything to do with the merits of one or the other but to do with the simple fact that essentially every PC has a mouse and keyboard.

You do actually need a survey. This is not every other computer game. It was designed to work with a game pad and in my opinion works better with one. If you don't believe me, go look at the numerous "let's get rid of PS2/3 support" discussions and see how many people want to use a keyboard/mouse. I have friends who are literally professional gamers. Meaning that they actually make a living (albeit relatively meager IMO) off of winning lan parties and competitions etc. and feel absolutely disgusted by the idea of gaming with a clunky piece of crap controller. One of the biggest gripes I hear from them is that this game is so much easier to play with a controller. I'm talking about super geeks like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ltORkYAdVk


A gamepad is an accessory, to be purchased if you so desire- It is not necessary or required, therefore people will only get a gamepad for a PC if they really want one.

If I had to venture a guess, I would estimate that probably 90% of all the PC players already own(ed) an xbox360 or ps2 or ps3 controller, so that's really not much of an issue. I mean even my mom has a 360 just for watching videos etc. I would hardly consider owning a game pad a FFXI specific purchase.


One of the games I still play regularly on my Wii is Monster Hunter 3. This is an online action-RPGish type game with some MMOish features. Because it actually has unrestricted chat I plug a USB keyboard into my Wii for chat- So believe me when I tell you I have experience with trying to play a game with chat with a controller and also trying to type on the keyboard- You just can't do it in a heated situation. You either need your controls to be on the keyboard or you get your arse handed to you while you type.

Imagine how fun dual-boxing would be with two keyboards on your lap.

[Alhanelem]

You do actually need a survey. This is not every other computer game. It was designed to work with a game pad and in my opinion works better with one.You're trying to mix together opinions and facts. Just because you think the game plays better with a controller (I don't) doesn't mean "most people on the PC play it with controllers." Also, before this post, you didn't specify FFXI, you made it sound like you were speaking in general terms.


Imagine how fun dual-boxing would be with two keyboards on your lap. Those who choose to dual box accept the inconveniences involved. The game does not promote nor was designed around the fact that it is possible to do this.


If I had to venture a guess, I would estimate that probably 90% of all the PC players already own(ed) an xbox360 or ps2 or ps3 controller, so that's really not much of an issue.this "guess" of yours is based on your personal opinions and perceptions of game controllers, and not on any kind of facts or data. You're assuming that all or most PC gamers were console gamers at one point, and that's just not true. Except on certain home computers from the 80s and such (e.g. commodore 64), most comptuers did not come with a game controller but came with a keyboard. The fact that there's a huge market for gaming keyboards and gaming mice should tell you that there are a lot more mouse and keyboard users out there then you seem to want there to be.

I owned a personal computer long before I ever owned a video game console, personally.

[FrankReynolds]

You're trying to mix together opinions and facts.

So are you.


Also, before this post, you didn't specify FFXI, you made it sound like you were speaking in general terms.

Sorry for the confusion. I play games on what makes sense. For Example: If it's a first person shooter that you're playing, you would have to be insane (or just like losing) to want to use a game pad over the mouse / keyboard. In FFXI however, I can literally play for hours at a time without ever needing to type anything, so the the game pad makes a lot more sense to me. It's nice to be able to sit 6 feet from my screen without needing a big clunky keyboard and / or a mouse and a place to set it.


Those who choose to dual box accept the inconveniences involved. The game does not promote nor was designed around the fact that it is possible to do this.

and yet it is a fact of life and the best way to do it (without using bot programs) is to have two controllers.


this "guess" of yours is based on your personal opinions and perceptions of game controllers, and not on any kind of facts or data. You're assuming that all or most PC gamers were console gamers at one point, and that's just not true. Except on certain home computers from the 80s and such (e.g. commodore 64), most comptuers did not come with a game controller but came with a keyboard. The fact that there's a huge market for gaming keyboards and gaming mice should tell you that there are a lot more mouse and keyboard users out there then you seem to want there to be.

Correlation =/= causation. I suspect that in this day and age, most parents have a PC in the house long before they consider buying their children a console. That does not mean that the kids will all be PC only gamers, or even that they will get any gaming experience at all from the PC (every console is capable of playing every game made for that console, while most home PCs are pretty rubbish as far as gaming goes). Console games are a multi-billion dollar industry. A very large portion of the console owning populace are PC owners as well. While most PC gamers have either played consoles in the past or are currently playing console games as well as PC games, a very large portion of console gamers have never even considered playing games on their PC. I mean almost everyone I know has some sort of gaming system either for their kids or their own use, but very few people I know play PC games and bear in mind that I live in the US. Outside of the US, PC gaming is not nearly as popular.

[Alhanelem]

and yet it is a fact of life and the best way to do it (without using bot programs) is to have two controllers.Dual boxing is not a "fact of life." Many players do not dual box, in large part because most players only have one account. Sure, if you want to dual box, I can agree that using a controller isn't a bad idea- but dual boxing is not a requirement or necessity to play this game. Just because *you* do something, doesn't mean everyone does.


That does not mean that the kids will all be PC only gamersIt also doesn't mean that the people who are PC gamers previously played on a console.



Console games are a multi-billion dollar industry.Well, if you want to talk about money, it's a multi billiion dollar industry that has been in a declining trend for a while now, as many of today's generation put down both their controllers and keyboards and go mobile.. But that's another subject, really.


I can literally play for hours at a time without ever needing to type anythingWell, maybe you play solo a lot. When you play with a linkshell, in parties, etc., communication is an important part of gameplay, and beyond that, there are people who enjoy the social aspect of the game, playing it specifically to be around other people and chat and have fun. Yes, a keyboard is not the only means of communication, but you can't coutn on everyone in every party your join to have all of the possible alternatives (xbox party chat, ventrilo, mumble, teamspeak, skype, etc)

Perhaps we should agree that we both have our own opinions on these issues, and that while we both like to think that "most people" do things the way we like to do them, it may or may not be the case.

Each kind of input device has its own advantages and disadvantages. In my subjective opinion, for general purposes the pros of a keyboard outweigh the pros of a gamepad for this game. You may not agree, that's fine. But neither of our opinions actually make one or the other "the winner."

[Krashport]

Anyone who doesn't do this is a MORON!

This whole open argument about which method is better for playing a video game sounds like a bunch of kindergarteners fighting over the last (blue) crayon and trying to get everyone to agree its (Pink), It all comes down to PERSONAL PREFERENCE there is NO wrong or better method when playing a video game to "your" liking.

Just made this thread to let Square Enix know and hope they could put time aside to see if anything could be done with the Xbox 360 controller. But seeing how long this thread been sitting here for almost a year, don't think we'll see an answer anytime soon.

[Midorikaze]

I take good care of my controllers but the wires all started to break at the top of the controller in the same spot and some of the buttons would start messing up.

funny i posted this checking out the last post and when i hit submit there was like 30 more posts. didnt feel liek it took me 30 mins to type this or anything.I had the same exact problem with a Logitech F510, recently got a F710 which is wireless, so far have had no problems. And yay exploding thread ^o^


I have a Logitech G15 keyboard with 18 macro keys on the left side, I just tap these for most of my macros instead of haivng to use a key combo- makes PUP maneuvers and pet commands a breeze. There are many other keyboards out there designed for gaming as well. You don't NEED one but the extra keys can be useful, particularly if a game binds necessary controls to unusual positions. I believe I have this same type of keyboard (G510) but I didn't get it for FFXI, it was mainly for the illuminated keys. In no way does it make FFXI commands easier for me, I have yet to set shortcuts for the G-keys on the side. I have been using the gamepad method for 20 years; FFXI is my first and only MMO, it originated on a console so it's just the one I'm accustomed to, if I have to type I'm either auto-following, auto-running or standing still. Macros for me are a quick tap of L1 or R1 along with the d-pad and confirm key. To me it is quicker when all the buttons are pretty much there without me having to search out keys on the keyboard. There are those who are more at home with a keyboard, and that's perfectly alright as well. Many games run better this way - it depends on the type of game, too. The most efficient method, the most comfortable, that's for each person to decide.

What it all comes down to, is that each individual has a particular setup that's best for them; there's no right or wrong, or superior - way to play. :cool:

[FrankReynolds]

Dual boxing is not a "fact of life." Many players do not dual box, in large part because most players only have one account. Sure, if you want to dual box, I can agree that using a controller isn't a bad idea- but dual boxing is not a requirement or necessity to play this game. Just because *you* do something, doesn't mean everyone does.

Playing the game at all is not a requirement or necessity. What's your point?


It also doesn't mean that the people who are PC gamers previously played on a console.

No, it doesn't.

But we both know that most of them have played on a console and / or still do. A lot of people who don't even game still own a console for the other multimedia functions. The point is that most people already have a controller laying around regardless of whether they play FFXI or not, so it really isn't an additional cost for them.


Well, if you want to talk about money, it's a multi billiion dollar industry that has been in a declining trend for a while now, as many of today's generation put down both their controllers and keyboards and go mobile.. But that's another subject, really.

This is quite true.


Well, maybe you play solo a lot. When you play with a linkshell, in parties, etc., communication is an important part of gameplay, and beyond that, there are people who enjoy the social aspect of the game, playing it specifically to be around other people and chat and have fun. Yes, a keyboard is not the only means of communication, but you can't coutn on everyone in every party your join to have all of the possible alternatives (xbox party chat, ventrilo, mumble, teamspeak, skype, etc)

Perhaps we should agree that we both have our own opinions on these issues, and that while we both like to think that "most people" do things the way we like to do them, it may or may not be the case.

Each kind of input device has its own advantages and disadvantages. In my subjective opinion, for general purposes the pros of a keyboard outweigh the pros of a gamepad for this game. You may not agree, that's fine. But neither of our opinions actually make one or the other "the winner."

I agree that it might be easier to play keyboard when you are chatting heavily, but I don't feel like heavy play and heavy chat happen very frequently together. When you are in the thick of an intense event, chat typically consists of 1-2 word blurbs like "Sleep the addds!!!!" or "Stun <t> dumbass (you're up next)" or "someone heal me!!!!".


None of that really matters though. I don't really want to win so to speak. I just want them to update controller support so that I can get rid of these wonky JP drivers that I have installed on my machine. I use this thing to VPN into corporate environments and I feel very guilty knowing that I have something that shady installed on my computer just so that I can play a video game in comfort. There really is no reason for them not to support it fully.

[Alhanelem]

None of that really matters though. I don't really want to win so to speak."winning" was less a reference to winning an argument and more a reference to each particular device being the device of choice.


In no way does it make FFXI commands easier for me, I have yet to set shortcuts for the G-keys on the sideOf course it's not going to make anything easier for you if you don't set it up and use it correctly. That's like complaining you can't use your furniture because you didn't assemble it correctly (or at all).

Macros for me are a quick tap of a single key. no pressing a button then Dpading around. You shouldn't have to search out keys on a keyboard. You should know where every key on a keyboard is. I don't ever look at the keyboard while I'm using it.

[Midorikaze]

Again, I am more accustomed to gamepad, and why fix what isn't broken? :cool:


You should know where every key on a keyboard is.

Since when is this a requirement to play an MMO?

[Alhanelem]

Again, I am more accustomed to gamepad, and why fix what isn't broken? :cool:



Since when is this a requirement to play an MMO?
It's not a requirement for an MMO. It's a requirement for a Personal Computer.

In no way do I mean to be rude in asking this, but, don't they still teach typing in school?

You may be accustomed to a gamepad now, but take the time to be accustomed to a keyboard, and you will likely like it just as much if not more. especially since knowing how to use both will make you all the more versatile :)

I play console games, I use controllers, I like them- But for the PC, I prefer a keyboard. I can only use one or the other- Thus, if any kind of chatting or text input is involved, I will reach for the keyboard, because I don't want to pick up and put down the controller all the time. If it's a single player game and it really benefits from the features of a controller, then I'll use one- I have one, I just don't use it for every game.

[wildsprite]

okay this threat is supposed to be a request for xinput support for FFXI, why do we have people arguing against this? do you FPS trolls have nothing better to do than try to force your way of gaming on those of us that prefer game controllers? no? stop it you have no reason to be against having better game controller support when you already have good keyboard/mouse support even if you don't use it, SE added xinput support for FFXIV, and they already have partial DX9 support, adding the DX9c support that allows for xinput shouldn't be that difficult for them to do

those of you who are for keyboards but not game controllers are just trolling this thread, its a request thread, it was intended for those who are for having xinput(xbox360 controller and possible others) added as a native option


It's not a requirement for an MMO. It's a requirement for a Personal Computer.

In no way do I mean to be rude in asking this, but, don't they still teach typing in school?

You may be accustomed to a gamepad now, but take the time to be accustomed to a keyboard, and you will likely like it just as much if not more. especially since knowing how to use both will make you all the more versatile :)

I play console games, I use controllers, I like them- But for the PC, I prefer a keyboard. I can only use one or the other- Thus, if any kind of chatting or text input is involved, I will reach for the keyboard, because I don't want to pick up and put down the controller all the time. If it's a single player game and it really benefits from the features of a controller, then I'll use one- I have one, I just don't use it for every game.

what a load of garbage, I am quite well accustom to my keyboard, its very useful, I just happen to prefer a game controller for games just as many others do

[Alhanelem]

what a load of garbage, I am quite well accustom to my keyboard, its very useful, I just happen to prefer a game controller for games just as many others do And I just happen to prefer a keyboard for some games. That doesn't make my post a "load of garbage." Many people like to use keyboards, and many people like to use other devices beyond your typical game controller as well.

I'm not "trolling," either. this is legitimate discussion. I'm not seeking to rile anyone up and I'm not entertained by watching you post. This isn't about amusement, therefore it's not trolling.

I understand the request being made. Unfortunately, SE hasn't updated the game to comply with one new standard over the last 10 years (despite their claims, they didn't actually update the game to directX 9.0c a while back like they said) so I hold no faith that's going to change now.

[wildsprite]

when someone makes a thread requesting a controller update and you come in suggesting they use the keyboard, you are not being helpful, you are in fact trolling

[wildsprite]

if you want a civil conversation about the ups and downs of keyboard vs controller why not make one rather than crapping up a request thread

[odericko]

Pretty sure the posts with upvotes show who's in the majority/minority. But let's get the thread back on topic - let us use our 360 gamepad triggers with the official drivers.

[wildsprite]

yeah that is the whole point, and it shouldn't be that difficult for them to add native support since they already have partial DX9 support for windows mode

[Alhanelem]

Pretty sure the posts with upvotes show who's in the majority/minority. But let's get the thread back on topic - let us use our 360 gamepad triggers with the official drivers. It doesn't really show anything, I"m not a troll nor intending to be one, sorry if it looks that way, but that's not why I come here. I don't post to get a kick out of people's replies, I post because there's something on my mind on a given subject.


yeah that is the whole point, and it shouldn't be that difficult for them to add native support since they already have partial DX9 support for windows mode Actually, that's not true, they said they were going to do this but they never did. the game is still directX 8. I remember someone analyzing it and finding that the game was never making calls to directx9 libraries.

[wildsprite]

Actually, that's not true, they said they were going to do this but they never did. the game is still directX 8. I remember someone analyzing it and finding that the game was never making calls to directx9 libraries.


the game only makes DX9 calls if its put in windowed mode

[bungiefanNA]

Controller can control your character while you are typing, while keyboard locks you out of game controls while you are typing. Also, keyboards lock you out of inputting more commands once 3-4 buttons are held down at once (excepting Ctrl, Alt, Shift), while controllers can register every button being pressed at once. For those of us that don't touch-type either, keyboard is way too easy to hit the wrong button when it matters. I have to look at the keyboard to be very quick/accurate about what I'm typing, and I prefer not to play games with a text input device. My hands will wander off of WSAD and instead I'll find myself typing SXZC EDSF 2WQE etc. 10-key is all I can do touchtype.

Thus controller trumps keyboard for me, and I won't play games without a controller on a computer. I don't even know the FFXI controls without a controller.

I don't touchtype because I was always recruited for tech support in my typing classes, and thus couldn't do the assignments. I also prefer an alternative keyboard layout, which isn't so conducive to games, Dvorak. Trying to juggle that and learn the JP keyboard layout just makes me not bother when I'm already fast enough when looking at the keyboard to pass any test for getting a job that has a typing requirement. It's just horrible for reacting to games.

FFXI was originally made as a console game, and I play it mainly on a PS2, so controller is natural to me. The controller layout also makes intuitive sense to anyone that has played another 3D FF game.

Keyboards are for text input. The button layout and shape is horrible for games. Also, the tendancy for controls to be put on the left hand, when most people are right-handed, and so should be put on a NumPad, just makes it worse for me. I can only play Marathon/Descent with keyboard if I put almost all the controls on the 10Key and anything else I limit my left hand to the arrows and Home/End/Insert/Delete/PgUp/PgDn keys so I can't be misaligned. I'd much rather have a controller for the reasonable number of buttons and analog controls, and so I use an X45 Saitek stick for those games when possible.

[Alhanelem]

Keyboards are for text input. The button layout and shape is horrible for games.subjective opinion. There are many games that use the button layout of a keyboard to great effect. Keyboards are great for games with a very large number of commands that can't be easily mapped to every button on a controller.


Also, the tendancy for controls to be put on the left handkeyboard controls generally favor the left hand because your right hand is usually on the mouse. Such control favoring doesnt exist if a game is fully controllable with the keyboard. In FFXI for example, under the compact layout, the control scheme is designed around both your hands being on the keyboard, with WASD controlling movement (your left hand controls movement on a gamepad too) and many shortcut controls; and IJKL (right hand) controls the camera and your confirm button among other things. Space, which begins text input, is accessible with either hand.

Yes, a keyboard was *originally designed* just for text input, but over time many games have successfully adapted keybaords for an effective game control scheme. It's not for everyone of course, neither is the gamepad- It's all a matter of one's personal perference. For me, the keyboard layout for FFXI is very effective (in 'compact" mode, at least- using the numpad just feels wrong to me) as I can thoroughly control my character without moving my hands around on it- you just place them where you would normally place them as if you were typing.


I don't even know the FFXI controls without a controller.I'm all for people trying both and than preferring one over the other, but saying one or the other is better without even trying it is ignorance at best.

For me, for MMOs like XI, it comes down to one simple fact- it has nothing to do with the control scheme and everything to do with- if I use the keyboard, I only need one device to control the game. If I use the controller, I need two devices to control the game and awkwardly switch between them whenever i need the other device's functionality. For games where there is no chatting or any text input required, I am much more inclined to use a controller. For me though, most of those games are console games, so I don't really need one on my PC much.


I also prefer an alternative keyboard layout, which isn't so conducive to games, Dvorak.Controls for games can generally be remapped. If you use a different keyboard layout, you just remap the controls to match.

[wildsprite]

again you are getting off topic, please take your controller vs keyboard discussion elsewhere

[xbobx]

Has anyone tried the Razar Onza? Can you use triggers as buttons for that or does it share the same driver as the xbox 360 controller.

[Alhanelem]

Has anyone tried the Razar Onza? Can you use triggers as buttons for that or does it share the same driver as the xbox 360 controller.
Not sure. It's compatible with the xbox where you can't install drivers, so I don't think it uses its own on Windows. I could be wrong here though.

I do love Razer's products though. My Razer Naga Hex mouse is awesome (though sometimes I wish I got the standard version, the extra buttons on the standard one are easier to unintentionally press)

[HasteInTime]

Dang-! 7 pages of Controller Discussion, primarily on the 360 controller. I know that the 360 controller can assign the "triggers" like it's a normal button. That and on the 360 FFXI version, could someone tell me if the "RT and LT" Triggers were used? I don't doubt it.

I'm for more Controller Config support as well! :]

I do use a controller since I love my 360 one and I'm making a segment on the various 'Controls' of the game. Anyone care to help me on that?

[xbobx]

On the 360 version the RT and LT triggers are assigned to macros. That is what people want to do on the pc but can't.

[wildsprite]

you need special drivers to assign the triggers to be able to be used in XI, as it is now you can assign one trigger but not both because they are on the same axis(something I think microsoft was very stupid for doing), if they were on separate axis you would be able to use both without special drivers or xinput support, however there is also the fact that if you don't have special directx drivers for the controller you also do not get feedback from the motors in the controller from any directx game that supports it, XI is one of the games that supports feedback on directx controllers, it might be a miner thing but that feedback adds a bit of feel to the game I really like having

[Alhanelem]

I never knew that XI supported force feedback.

[wildsprite]

I never knew that XI supported force feedback.
it does if you have the right drivers for your controller

[Zhronne]

Kupo bump!!!

[Powder]

I configured the Xbox controller and the only ones there is no configuration for are the triggers for macros. I was so disappointed and had to go back to ps3 controller.

[Keyln]

I own a XBOX 360 controller, and I support the triggers for macros button like I would on a Xbox 360.

[Zhronne]

At this point it's probably pretty useless for us to bump this (or the other) thread.
Still I came up with a cool solution which is not a real "solution" for our problem, but it's still a decent compromise.

http://www.speedlink.com/?p=2&cat=4131&pid=25492&paus=1

This gamepad for PC has a specific setting that allows it to work both in Xinput and in Dinput modes.
This grants it full compatibility with ALL games. Xinput for recent ones, and Dinput for very old ones like FFXI.
With a pad like this, if you set it on "Dinput" mode you'll be able to use all buttons even in FFXI.
Then set it on "Xinput" and use all buttons on FFXIV too or any other recent game.

I'm seriously considering to buy it since SE, it's pretty clear now, will never do anything to "fix" this issue of ours. (not like it would have been easy to fix it, to be honest, but still...)

[FrankReynolds]

At this point it's probably pretty useless for us to bump this (or the other) thread.
Still I came up with a cool solution which is not a real "solution" for our problem, but it's still a decent compromise.

http://www.speedlink.com/?p=2&cat=4131&pid=25492&paus=1

This gamepad for PC has a specific setting that allows it to work both in Xinput and in Dinput modes.
This grants it full compatibility with ALL games. Xinput for recent ones, and Dinput for very old ones like FFXI.
With a pad like this, if you set it on "Dinput" mode you'll be able to use all buttons even in FFXI.
Then set it on "Xinput" and use all buttons on FFXIV too or any other recent game.

I'm seriously considering to buy it since SE, it's pretty clear now, will never do anything to "fix" this issue of ours. (not like it would have been easy to fix it, to be honest, but still...)

If you do get one, please post a review or something. I'm tempted to order it, but I'd rather wait til someone has actually tried it first because they don't seem to be available in the US and that makes returns pretty much impossible for me.

I've used a few of the logitech controllers, but they break pretty often. The buttons are just plain crap. I've found a work around in that I just keep buying the bottom of the line usb controller and taking parts out of it to rebuild the wireless one when it breaks. And this is the controller that I only use for my alt.

So far my best experience has been with the xbox 360 controllers and the JP drivers, but I haven't had any luck getting the wireless driver to work with the adapter I bought on amazon. I'm pretty sure that it's because it is a knock off and not an official Microsoft wireless kit (it says Microsoft and all that on it, but I'm pretty sure it's a knock off), but I'm not willing to spend $60 on another one from best buy to find out. SUre would be nice if I could find the adapter sold separately from the controller. :/

[Renaissance2K]

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

[Zhronne]

So far my best experience has been with the xbox 360 controllers and the JP drivers
Those are awesome but:
1) They don't work on the wireless pad (the one I linked is wireless instead, altough there is also a wired version)
2) They do create issues with newer game (for instance when I was using my JP drivers with my wired Xbox360 pad, it was working perfectly with FFXI (dinput) but they weren't working good for TERA and FFXIV (dinput)

With a gamepad like the one I posted, you should be able to use and configure all buttons no matter what the game is, no matter if it's an old one using dinput or a recent one using xinput.

[Zhronne]

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

Oh I didn't know this pad had this specific function, sounds just as good as the pad I posted, altough ergonomics-wise I like mine better (concave thumbstick, right thumb and digital swapped around).
Thanks anyway! Really nice addition to the thread :)

[FrankReynolds]

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

Yeah, I forget the model number, but the one I have is just the older model. I'm pretty sure it shares the same crappy X Y A B buttons with the 710 / 310. They seem to start sticking really badly after a little while. Have they improved on them at all? I haven't checked out the newer model. I've just been replacing them with buttons from the 310 when they start jamming since those controls are cheap on the web.

Those are awesome but:
1) They don't work on the wireless pad (the one I linked is wireless instead, altough there is also a wired version)
2) They do create issues with newer game (for instance when I was using my JP drivers with my wired Xbox360 pad, it was working perfectly with FFXI (dinput) but they weren't working good for TERA and FFXIV (dinput)

With a gamepad like the one I posted, you should be able to use and configure all buttons no matter what the game is, no matter if it's an old one using dinput or a recent one using xinput.

Yeah, I'm aware of the issues with those drivers. I still don't understand why this would be difficult at all for SE to fix though. If people are doing it for free then it should be a walk in the park for a paid staff to knock out.

Like I said, let me know if the quality of that control is up to snuff. I'd love to get one, but since it can't really be returned for a refund if it sucks, I don't want to play guinea pig.

[Renaissance2K]

Yeah, I forget the model number, but the one I have is just the older model. I'm pretty sure it shares the same crappy X Y A B buttons with the 710 / 310. They seem to start sticking really badly after a little while. Have they improved on them at all? I haven't checked out the newer model. I've just been replacing them with buttons from the 310 when they start jamming since those controls are cheap on the web.
I had the Logitech Rumblepad 2 for many, many years before buying the 710. If that's the one to which you're referring, the 710 is a dramatic improvement, though I never had sticking issues with the Rumblepad. The buttons are closer to those on the 360, though they require a bit more pressure.

But yeah, I know gamepads are like ties, and that everybody has their own preferences and tastes. The legacy/modern switch seemed like a godsend for an FFXI user, but probably not if you've had bad experiences with Logitech controllers in the past.

[FrankReynolds]

I had the Logitech Rumblepad 2 for many, many years before buying the 710. If that's the one to which you're referring, the 710 is a dramatic improvement, though I never had sticking issues with the Rumblepad. The buttons are closer to those on the 360, though they require a bit more pressure.

But yeah, I know gamepads are like ties, and that everybody has their own preferences and tastes. The legacy/modern switch seemed like a godsend for an FFXI user, but probably not if you've had bad experiences with Logitech controllers in the past.

I don't know what it is. Maybe I just have bad luck with logitech. I've been playing with this Xbox control since they launched the game on Xbox. I moved it to my PC when my original Xbox broke and I've been using it ever since. In the same span of time, I've worn out buttons on 4 of the rumblepads.

The last time I took it apart, I removed the motors and filed the edges of the buttons in an attempt to make them last longer. So far so good, but I'm still reluctant to buy another wireless one. I duuno, all this talk has me wondering though. Maybe I'll give it another shot. Costco still lets you return pretty much anything right? :P

[Daniel]

I'm still hoping to see a dev respond to this, I can't understand why they can't update the controller software to work with xbox controllers.

[FrankReynolds]

Update:

So I found the Xbox 360 PC controller kit on sale for $35 bucks at best buy while I was buying a bunch of mis-priced battery backups for work (750 VA APC UPS units for $39 which are usually $89-$119) and I used a $10 off coupon I had to get it at $25.

It turns out that I was right. The "Microsoft" controller kits they sell on Amazon are knockoffs. The real Microsoft kit works perfectly with the JP drivers. YAY Me!

So don't go buying the Xbox 360 wireless controller kits off Amazon if you plan to use it for FFXI. Buy them from a legit source.