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Krashport

03-09-2012, 01:25 AM

I would Like to suggest, Changing the "Like" button to an "Agree" Button on these forums.

Krashport

03-09-2012, 01:26 AM

I Would like to suggest, adding a "Disagree" Button to these Forums.

As to having an Agree or Disagree button just seems more fitting after all...
Generally, liking/agreeing doesn't necessitate a long comment/explanation, that's why the like button is there. If you don't like something, you're going to post why, so a dislike button is not needed.
No, I will not 100% of the time. Sometimes I will look for someone elses post that appeals to me then "LIke" them, That person can more or less not agree with the main OP so meaning it would be an Unlike.

A dislike button opens the door to bashing and slandering people without breaking forum rules (because you can just dislike all their posts instead of verbally hating on them) and is an extremely bad idea.

A negative, closed minded person can come into a thread, That doesn't "Like" Said person or topic and comment negatively with their 10 accounts and their buddies. Wonder why "Some" people worry about bashing and slandering its going to happen any which way you look at it. There are people out there that just don't like each other. Poeple also do things for kicks, Just have to look past that and grow up. There is really no reason for Square Enix to show the Like button, That we have now it just looks good.

Examples

Final fantasy XI is an outdated game. I Would like to suggest, A monthly discount seeing that we haven't gotten nor seen any new Content just remapping.
Like "5"

OMG!!! lul, That is a very bad idea! "If you're having money problems you shouldn't be paying for an MMORPG! :p
Like "59" <- Jake doesn't like Mary so they got all their buddies together to camp their thread. This Like is really an Unlike. So basically this is unliking someone in a liking way!

I don't know why some do not want a "Disagree" Button maybe their to afraid of not being agreed with and don't like confrontation.

edit: Will be editing this more when I'm sober.. maybe!

Alhanelem

03-09-2012, 02:11 AM

Where's the disagree button so I can disagree with the above post?

Oh, the irony.

Generally, liking/agreeing doesn't necessitate a long comment/explanation, that's why the like button is there. If you don't like something, you're going to post why, so a dislike button is not needed.

A dislike button opens the door to bashing and slandering people without breaking forum rules (because you can just dislike all their posts instead of verbally hating on them) and is an extremely bad idea.

Frost

03-09-2012, 03:13 AM

I say we change the "Like" button to "Buy this Guy a Beer", and have a system where it bills you and mails a beer to the person.

Bulrogg

03-09-2012, 03:24 AM

(I just bought you a beer)

Trisscar

03-09-2012, 03:51 AM

(I just bought you a beer)

As did I (and bought you one as well).

Daniel_Hatcher

03-09-2012, 03:56 AM

I Would like to suggest, a "Disagree" Button to be adding on these Forums.

So people can just keep disagreeing with any post someone they dislike posts even if it's a good point, that adds nothing other than the Dev's ignoring it thinking people don't want it.

Shipp

03-09-2012, 04:20 AM

So people can just keep disagreeing with any post someone they dislike posts even if it's a good point, that adds nothing other than the Dev's ignoring it thinking people don't want it.

The reverse is true too. People keep "liking" posts by people they like and they form cliques. Even if the person has nothing of value to say, their post will get a "like" by someone who just likes that person, thus devs think it's a worthwhile post and it wastes time.

This is, of course, assuming the devs base any type of decision on such a small portion of the player bases "likes" to begin with.

Daniel_Hatcher

03-09-2012, 04:32 AM

The reverse is true too. People keep "liking" posts by people they like and they form cliques. Even if the person has nothing of value to say, their post will get a "like" by someone who just likes that person, thus devs think it's a worthwhile post and it wastes time.

This is, of course, assuming the devs base any type of decision on such a small portion of the player bases "likes" to begin with.

Liking a post is less damaging and less likely to happen "just because someone likes you" then the opposite. You wont enter a topic that doesn't interest you too often because you like a poster. People will if they dislike them.

Shipp

03-09-2012, 04:50 AM

Liking a post is less damaging and less likely to happen "just because someone likes you" then the opposite. You wont enter a topic that doesn't interest you too often because you like a poster. People will if they dislike them.

True, but why even have a "like" button? Why not have a report button that basically does the same thing, specifically for rating up posts containing opinions of things the "reporter" would also like to see added to the game? Stops the childish rate-ups for stupid off-topic things that the devs shouldn't have to waste time looking at like, "I like my coffee black and without sugar."

You know as well as I do, that certain people on this forum could post that one sentence, completely off-topic from anything else in the thread, and there would be someone who hits the like button, just because they think it's funny. I guess my point is that the current system seems fairly useless unless there is also a dislike button, unless the devs are using this to see popular opinions. If that's the only reason, they could easily hide the number of "likes", make it a "report to devs" button so people know it isn't for BS but actually to get the attentions of devs, and devs could have a more accurate portrayal of game-changes people like, verses crap that gets likes for being funny/ganging up/whatever.

Unleashhell

03-09-2012, 06:21 AM

Personally I'd rather them take the the "Like" button out all together. As stated friends and clique on here just "Like" each others post anyway. There are people that EVERYTIME they post its followed the the same amount "Like" each time.

Bulrogg

03-09-2012, 07:04 AM

Dazusu

03-10-2012, 05:22 AM

There is little point posting when you disagree with something because if the shouty minority are on board with it, you get flamed. With that in mind, a Disagree button would be much more handy.

Sarick

03-10-2012, 06:57 AM

Don't need disagree..

Just an agree button..

Then when it shows the number of who agreed it says this.

(X) out of (X) readers agreed/liked this post.

The other people who read it can choose to leave it be if they don't like/agree with it.

Bulrogg

03-10-2012, 07:13 AM

There is little point posting when you agree with something or have an idea because if the shouty minority aren't on board with it, you get flamed.

It kinda goes both way. There is a small group of posters that seem to go out of their way to just shoot down ideas.

.... I still enjoy the idea of lose the "Like" button and change it to "Buy This Guy A Beer" :D

Alhanelem

03-10-2012, 11:28 AM

As long as it produces an actual beer, I'm all for that idea. :p

Rosina

03-10-2012, 05:30 PM

Hello everyone,

Just coming back to ffxi, and its forums. And this thread peaked my interest. I agree with some of the posters. Most people on ANY forum (gaming or other) use "Like" or "Dislike" in a "clique-ish" way. Pretty much like the high school mantality. People will like their friends reguardless of the post. And people will dislike anyone they hate reguardless of the post. I'm a poster child of it as most here know. Most everything I typed, people ganged up on me. And most was just my personal opinion.

If posters can use the "like" and "dislike" buttons as "agree" or "disagree" and leave out the bashing. I see nothing wrong with it.

I think, if we can learn to leave out our person opinions of the poster, this forum wouldn't be so bad. Most people in game see this forum as a joke. And tell newbies not to post here. Mostly because chances are people will be smart mouths. I'm for the like/agree and dislike/disagree as long as people don't abuse it. Like bash people with it.

Krashport

03-11-2012, 01:01 AM

So people can just keep disagreeing with any post someone they dislike posts even if it's a good point, that adds nothing other than the Dev's ignoring it thinking people don't want it.

They do that now in a liking way, Also you see all those "likes 1~3", That is their other accounts 99.8% of the time. That is why before I comment on the OP I say if I agree with them or not in the 1st place, Others should follow suit. ^^

Example how threads get broken and off topic.

Thank's so much for tweaking the keyboard.

I would like to suggest, Could you please tweak the Xbox 360 controller.

A.)
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn80/Krashport/xbox-controller.png

I've noticed that these buttons on the Xbox 360 controller don't work with Final Fantasy XI, Personally I don't use the Xbox 360 for playing Final Fantasy XI, But this might make a few people happy.

A.) Z ax L and Z ax R doesn't not work with Final Fantasy XI. Could you please look into this and maybe fix it, Thanks for your time Dev's!

These don't work because the Windows driver treats them as a single analog axis (they are meant to be used with DRIVING games as GAS/BRAKE pedals...) and FFXI expects digital buttons for the macro buttons. I suggest you use the BACK and START buttons for these functions. :)

Or you can install a 3rd party driver for the XBOX360 controller and that driver has the option of making LT and RT work as DIGITAL buttons. Good luck :)

No one asked.

Or FFXI can just add support for Microsoft's xinput.dll API which is the official means of interfacing with 360 controllers, and it bypasses the stuff the Control Panel has for the controller.

Feeding the closed minded.

Actually, that's how the XBOX360 version works, no ?

It's up to the devs, then... But you can still use an high end Logitech pad which is 1000 times better than a XBOX360 pad...

Closed minded, Said thread this was in, Is not about another companies controller. It was asking Square Enix to fix the problem with an Xbox 360 Controller which said user is taking it off topic.

What's the point of buying another controller for a specific game when the one you already own is more than good enough for the job?

The excuses are stupid, and it wouldn't kill the devs to spend two hours implementing the API within their existing controller config menu. Not everyone has the know-how to install the 3rd-party controller drivers, and most of them tend to also muck up official GFW controller support on top of that.

Gives into the Instigator, Cause said Instigator knows this already and wanted them to spell it out for them. Which breaks the topic cause now its about which is a better controller one should be using. The whole point is how many agree that the Xbox 360 controller should be fixed.

Alhanelem

03-11-2012, 04:47 AM

Like "59" <- Jake doesn't like Mary so they got all their buddies together to camp their thread. This Like is really an Unlike. So basically this is unliking someone in a liking way!
You can't prove that the reason for those likes is to hate on Mary. I find it highly unlikely that Jake has 59 friends that all want to jump on the hate bandwagon. That post probably has more likes simply because more people agree with it than the first post.

More proof against your thought. I'm HARDLY a popular person on these boards and I'm sure some of you know that. But I still get likes if I post something intelligent that people agree with. People are far more likely to "like" a good post than to band together to like a post attacking the person because they don't like them personally. But the act of doing so still is far less hurtful than the same number of people who liked the attacker instead disliking the first poster.

That is their other accounts 99.8% of the time. Prove it. You can't.

Your analysis of that thread is also flawed and biased.

Dazusu

03-11-2012, 04:55 AM

I'm HARDLY a popular person on these boards

Not that you're unpopular, you're just assumed leader of the casual crusade.

Krashport

03-11-2012, 05:00 AM

But the act of doing so still is far less hurtful than the same number of people who liked the attacker instead disliking the first poster.

Prove it. You can't.

Your analysis of that thread is also flawed and biased.

You're definition for the Like button here is flawed, Saying what you just did proves that. Hurtful has nothing to do with the Like button nor a dislike button, There shouldn't be any feeling involved. Agreeing and not agreeing with the poster. If we all didn't have our different point of views, We'd all be the same person.

Rosina

03-11-2012, 05:22 AM

@ Alhanelem
Actually there is proof that exist. Look under all my old posts, and read most the insults I got for my typing, and see how many "LIKES" each post got. Its actually pretty common in forums. It's the high school mantality I was mentioning. If the "popular" thing is to insult a person with a mental disability. People will, thinking it is cool and will make them popular.

On one forum last year, I forget which mmo it was for, I posted a comment which I agree'd with what the majority stated. Said posters i agree'ed with then started to pick on me because of my typing. It happens on the W.o.W forums as well as Aion.
This is what forums turned into. They USED to be a way for players to make connections outside of the game.

As I stated as long as we keep out personal like or dislike of the poster, I see no issue with a like and dislike button. As long as we do not abuse such things.

More proof is the tag insults people did, such as lolumad.

Alhanelem

03-11-2012, 05:34 AM

Not that you're unpopular, you're just assumed leader of the casual crusade.
That's funny, because I don't even consider myself a casual player. I've put in over 800 days in 8 years.

Saying what you just did proves that. Hurtful has nothing to do with the Like button nor a dislike buttonHow is people flagging all your posts with dislikes not hurtful or intended to be hurtful?

Lots of boards have systems to recognize good/useful posts (I like "Thanks" systems better- "Thanks for this useful post" doesn't imply liking or disliking it, but rather that you got something out of reading it.). Very few offer the ability to show disdain. There just might be a reason for that, hmm?

Actually there is proof that exist. Look under all my old posts, and read most the insults I got for my typing, and see how many "LIKES" each post got.I get that all the time too. But it's at most 1-3 likes on those people's posts, when the posts that offer meaningful information or good ideas get dozens. You can pretty much tune out any "like" count of <5.

Karbuncle

03-11-2012, 05:35 AM

Okay, Lets just agree on a few things. Both the Like Button and Dislike button Suck.

both lead to "Cliques" Forming
Both are highly Negative to a forum
And both cause complaining.

No matter how you try and sugar coat your logic for a dislike button, It means nothing more than "I hate this person but I don't want them to know it, and I don't know why i hate them nor can i produce a valid counter-argument, so give me an "Easy" button so i can discredit them anonymously every time I see them regardless of what they post".

Dislike buttons have absolutely no redeeming quality. People can spot out wrong information simply by the fact that person who spews it will likely have 5-6 people telling them they're wrong.

Personally, I feel a "Like" Button has slightly more merit than a "Dislike" Button. Dislike Buttons are basically an anonymous butthurt button. Their only real use it to dislike people you hate. As noble as your intention may be, Unfortunately, the human race is no one near as intelligent or non-petty we'd hope.

The like/Dislike System is ultimately pretty useless here i Think, As most of us barely even "Like" posts, We just read it, and move on, even if with agree. Compared to the JP, Who Have posts with 50-60+ Likes on average >_>;

Moving to more "In General" here. All things considered, It says a lot about us as a people, that is, we're the only ones asking for a Dislike. Are you people so insecure, petty, and spineless that you have to have a way to discredit someone without actually having to give reasons why and remove your anonymous hatred? Just respond to their damn post and tell them why you disagree.

Then, your post suddenly becomes the "Dislike" Button for the opposite post, Because if more people Like you, It means more people disagree with him. Thats how conflicting arguments generally work out with likes involved.

cidbahamut

03-11-2012, 05:39 AM

Karbuncle

03-11-2012, 05:43 AM

That's not proof of anything. That's a bunch of people individually arriving at the same conclusion.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The only thing it proves is that you said some pretty stupid stuff. If there had been dislike buttons, You would probably have more dislikes than those people had likes.

You can't walk into a forum on a FFXI board and say something like "FFXI Sucks losers", and obviously a bunch of people will respond saying "you're wrong" and those people will get likes, and act like thats proof of clicks. No, It just means you said something stupid, and people happen to agree with those who are calling out your stupid.

If you want a true vision of the Abuse Like/Dislike systems cause? Spend a day on FFXIAH, you can probably find 80-100 Examples in your first few minutes. Hell, Visit my page and the people who commented on mine, Thats the funniest, Especially the one girl who commented on my page with -36, Check out her page.

Point being: An Anonymous Butthurt Button will not improve this forum.

SpankWustler

03-11-2012, 06:15 AM

Something just occurred to me...

If large amounts of "Like"s are used to get the attention of people who forward things to other people, is it possible one of my more-liked posts about the Development Team running around naked has been translated and forwarded all the way to the Development Team because of immutable company policies about forwarding things?

If they're summarized along the way, I can only imagine that one day the Development Team walked into work to discover the vital feedback, "I feel the Development Team does not wear trousers often enough."

Karbuncle

03-11-2012, 06:30 AM

SpankWustler

03-11-2012, 06:33 AM

Your posts probably flood their inbox if likes has anything to do with it.

"I'VE LISTENED TO EVERY SUGGESTION FORWARDED TO ME! I'M WEARING SEVENTEEN PAIRS OF PANTS AND IT'S THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, DAMN IT! WHAT MORE DO THE NORTH AMERICAN PLAYERS WANT FROM ME?!?!"

cidbahamut

03-11-2012, 06:45 AM

"I'VE LISTENED TO EVERY SUGGESTION FORWARDED TO ME! I'M WEARING SEVENTEEN PAIRS OF PANTS AND IT'S THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, DAMN IT! WHAT MORE DO THE NORTH AMERICAN PLAYERS WANT FROM ME?!?!"
Photographs of it, obviously.

Dazusu

03-11-2012, 06:52 AM

That's funny, because I don't even consider myself a casual player. I've put in over 800 days in 8 years.

Like I said, Casual :D

Rosina

03-11-2012, 10:55 AM

That's not proof of anything. That's a bunch of people individually arriving at the same conclusion.

actually It was more like 10+ likes for said comments written by the same 10+ people. No matter what I posted. It got so bad I quit the game over the stress it caused me in game. All because I have a slight issue with grammar placement and spelling.

Hate to say this and please do not take offence. But a few people here are infact in denial (sp?) of this going on when infact it does. And not just on this forum. People will always do the "popular" thing to try and win browny points with the "popular" people. And apparently according to that "real" housewives reality tv show, it happens at any age. I'm just pointing it out nothing more. I suggest opening your eyes a bit more to see it. Need i remind you of the "tag" insults people used to do?

But I digress. I'm just puting my personal opinion out there and using my personal experiences to back up what is being said. :)

Alhanelem

03-11-2012, 12:18 PM

We're denying that it's going on because it's not going on. There are likely a few isolated cases of it happening, but it's not a regular occurance.

Do you really find it so hard to believe that several people could agree with a person whose view is contrary to yours?

cidbahamut

03-11-2012, 02:01 PM

actually It was more like 10+ likes for said comments written by the same 10+ people. No matter what I posted. It got so bad I quit the game over the stress it caused me in game. All because I have a slight issue with grammar placement and spelling.

Hate to say this and please do not take offence. But a few people here are infact in denial (sp?) of this going on when infact it does. And not just on this forum. People will always do the "popular" thing to try and win browny points with the "popular" people. And apparently according to that "real" housewives reality tv show, it happens at any age. I'm just pointing it out nothing more. I suggest opening your eyes a bit more to see it. Need i remind you of the "tag" insults people used to do?

But I digress. I'm just puting my personal opinion out there and using my personal experiences to back up what is being said. :)

You have presented absolutely nothing that would suggest people are using alt accounts to rate up their own posts other than your own personal paranoia.

Tamoa

03-11-2012, 09:30 PM

Sarick

03-12-2012, 12:51 AM

I see no difference between the current like button and an agree button. I don't know about the rest of you but I tend to click the like button because I agree with what that person is saying.

I also see no need for a dislike button, it'll only cause more drama. If you disagree with a post, just don't click like, and if you disagree strongly with a post, make a post of your own and explain why you disagree.

I agree with this. IMHO, It's the best post in this topic. Puts everything into perspective. If you disagree then you should post why you disagree. If they have a disagree option it should require a response (quote + message) not some anonymous single click that doesn't have backing.

SNK

03-13-2012, 04:31 AM

Not that you're unpopular, you're just assumed leader of the casual crusade.

Oh god I laughed at this harder then I should have.