Giving it to the man, Sqaure Enix.

[Krashport]

Concerning Inventory system, Porter Moogle and Security token as well as muling.

Mule it. Mule it back later.

I'm sure not the only Customer but.. I have given and still giving Square Enix a lot of My money as it is, If I "Need" to pay for another Character, To fix a "Problem" with an MMORPG, There is something wrong. If this is the only way to fix a "Problem" within this Company. Which their making their Customers fix the problem for themselves.. Just isn't right, Mules or at least one should be free at this point.

I made a Character within Final Fantasy XI, Which is my main Character that I only want to use nonetheless. I farmed, I leveled, I skilled it all up. The Companies inventory system is flawed to where "Us" The Customer have to spend more time and money for access to more inventory space. Which in fact its a problem on the Companies part not ours. The main point is for inventory space as to farming and getting the gear we want and use on our main Character as well as to Play the game!, It's not Fantasy Mules.

I personally think that the security token shouldn't be tied to the Mog Satchel, It is for Security not inventory that is just bad marketing to me. Maybe giving the Customer the Mog Satchel without having to buy a security token. Adding a bank sharing system to use with our account might help a little. Not having to mule A.k.a logging out and switching between Characters running to the Auction House to Delivery Box then back to Mog House in order to get/send apiece of Equipment would be great. As the system is now its getting old.

If in fact "not saying it is" the inventory issue is connected with the Playstation 2 limitations or the Xbox Re-log problems. Well sh!t on the Consoles, So sad moving on..., I would like to suggest making the PC user accounts inventory bigger.


It's ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH. Christ. That's not gonna break the bank. Aren't you the same people who are telling PS2 players "quit being such a cheapskate, you can get a new computer for three or four hundred bucks!"

I would rather put my one dollar per month into something other then a Mule. It's called Personal Prefence.


If you think about it as not that big of deal why should they change it? After all if it makes them more money its a BAD thing to fix it? Its like selling a broken item and charging to repair it, its that principle that makes 1 dollar unreasonable.)

If you think that the Security token should not be tied to the Mog Satchel or you're tired of muling for gear as well as having a mule just to access more inventory space, I feel for you.

Dear Dev's, Could you please forward this to the man, @ Square Enix. Thanks for you're time. ^^

Edit; As threads go on and pages go long things are mostly forgotten, So making this thread and maybe Square Enix will fix things seeing they only talk to the OP for the most part.

[cidbahamut]

What did I just read?

[Dazusu]

What did I just read?

I'm bewildered too

I think that's the best double talk I've ever seen. It made absolutely no sense.

[Elexia]

What did I just read?

Someone either quoting a song, a hippie poem or bitching about One dollar that you can find in your couch or old pair pants going towards something better than a mule.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

If a dollar is a lot for you, then you shouldn't be wasting money on an MMO.
Also...
You need to learn to prioritize your gear better.

[Krashport]

If a dollar is a lot for you, then you shouldn't be wasting money on an MMO.
Also...
You need to learn to prioritize your gear better.

It's not about the one dollar, You would have realized it's all about the principal. But then again coming off the way you are, All I can see is closed minded. I bet if Square Enix did come up with a better inventory system as to not having to mule, Many Customers would be happier and would pay for it. As to learning to prioritize gear better.. Do you play like me or we play like each other or we play like we?... wtf gtfo man I play the way "I" play and that's it!

[Elexia]

Technically you don't even need a mule if you prioritize your gear properly (do you know how useful porter moogle is?) Even if you for some reason take all jobs to 99 and want to max all of them out with all gear even if you don't play them...

Well you may as well pay for that extra mule or two if that's what you plan to do. Even SE stated at one point they didn't expect people to utilize gear swapping as heavily as they do now.

[Krashport]

Technically you don't even need a mule if you prioritize your gear properly (do you know how useful porter moogle is?) If Square Enix would put then into the Mog House (Maybe making another room in the MH for the Porter Moogle) Would help a lot and save Customers the timesink always walking to them.

[Kimble]

If Square Enix would put then into the Mog House (Maybe making another room in the MH for the Porter Moogle) Would help a lot and save Customers the timesink always walking to them.

Walking a few feet from the Lower Jeuno MH to the Porter Moogle so such a timesink.

[Krashport]

Walking a few feet from the Lower Jeuno MH to the Porter Moogle so such a timesink.
Assuming all Customers play like Kimble does, Making Lower Jeuno their Home Point and only using that Porter Moogle Still doesn't simplify things.

[Kimble]

The other starting cities (Sandy, Windy, Bastok) all have their potter moogles near a mog exit it as well. With the quest that lets you exit out of any mog house, it makes it even easier.

Simple conclusion. Stop being lazy.

[Krashport]

Simple conclusion. Stop being lazy.

Um Stop being lazy... If I wanted to not be lazy I would be at work, Right about now playing a video game people should have the luxury of being "Lazy"! :p

[Zinato]

Why is it people don't want more inventory? Or rather why they argue against posts that are in favor of more inventory. Make abyssea/VW porter moogle slip, then make one for elemental sets, belts, grips, obis, gorgets and finally, make one for all forms of 99 Magian (granted that means they would have to add others if they improve Magian past 99) Then there will be room for discussion.

[FrankReynolds]

What actually happens is this:

They don't have all the obis staves belts gear sets etc. for their jobs and they don't want to have to go get them (even though you can build a lot of gear sets off of the AH), so they are happy to have a storage limit to blame it on.

The truth is that they don't like moving gear around much any more than us, so they just don't move much gear. The problem is that we all know that that means they are not fully gearing. So they feel the need to lash out and Say "I don't suck at gearing... you suck at organizing...I am the most organized guy evah!"

[Zarchery]

I can't believe what I'm reading. Now we need more storage because walking all the way to the Porter Moogle is inconvenient? I guess when leeching became the way to XP for people who want the fun of paying the monthly dues without all the nasty hassle of playing the game, it was only natural that this would happen.

The reason for not expanding inventory is very simple. We've already got 480 spaces per character which is plenty for even the most devoted gear swapper to be loaded for several jobs at a time. A mule is cheap if you need more space for a couple more jobs. Porter Moogles compress several items into one inventory slot. If people can't make use of all these tools, another 80 slot inventory bag is going to be filled quickly and they'll cry "MORE SPACE NOW! I'M THE CUSTOMER DO WHAT I SAY!!!!" Then they'll fill the next bag, and the next and the next, because they can't be bothered with organization. Junk expands to fill the space.

[Zerich]

this thread is embarrassing...please delete it.

[Zinato]

Junk expands to fill the space.

I've heard you sing this song before. It's no broadway showstopper, maybe an elementary school performance.

On the topic of Porter moogle however

#1 Porter moogle is not all powerful its primary function is to store AF/Relic/Empyrean armor as well as various outdated gear. Please note the following updates to said outdated gear are not storeable, Augmented sky/abj gear, the future augments to salvage/sea gear, Relic +2 prior to its augmented form.

#2 To expand on the previous idea each of these things Relic +1, AF +1, Relic +2, Augmented sky/abj all require various items many of which are r/x and require counterparts from other areas. This includes seals, +2, forgotten, tatters, temnos/apollyon +1 items, ABCs.

#3 Porter moogle does not include relic/mythic/empy/magian weapon types nor does it include JSE or fake relic of abyssea. additionally like #1 and #2 upgrade items geodes/avatarites/coins/empy/ancient currency are also unstorable. Every job has 1-8 magian that is standard to the job give or take empyrean weapons.

#4 VW has several pieces all with near 0 drop rates and SE wants to double this number via the ticket system. Throwing away any item is a foolish move given anyone of them could take 100+ runs to get back (that's 3m+ for a single item, for those buying voidstones) to name a few Ace's body, Mekira body, Heka body, O. Bullet, Toci's body, H. Gorget, Lux dagger, HQ dagger, G. Mala, Strendu ring. I just named 10 and there are many, many more.

#5 Abyssea gear still has not been added to Porter Moogle, this includes Ocelot, Serpentine, Praedo, Ace's, Hachimaki, Susurrus, Tandava as well as other movement + items, sachets and there are other lesser know items too.

#6 Ele obi, HQ staves, gorget, belts, grips (This is ws/casting 101 gear, I'm waiting for someone to say 20% WS and 15% magic additional dmg isnt worth it. These are some of the single most useful items in the game.)

There is nothing wrong with the porter moogle aside from it not being able to hold more. People have shown that 78/80 give or take is very easy to do with very basic macros (2-3 items per action) x5 jobs that's nearly a full inventory. Porter moogle isn't why people are upset, muling is. The idea of logging out and transfering 8 items at a time, no it doesn't take long but when everyone else is ready from the get go leaders start considering replacements. Yes, I have been in groups that the leader kicks players for having to mule. As for the $1, the value has no significance it could be 10 cents. The reason this is a problem is we are paying $1 a month to the FFXIV restoration process because that same $1 is not going towards increasing inventory. (that's the worst case) In the best case we continue to pay $1 a month in order to gain something that should be built in. FFXI derives its uniqueness from the ability to macro gear, and the ability to change jobs on a single character. Yet, both those require inventory we aren't being given while at the same time more and more space takers are being added. No other MMO emphesizes gear swaps and nearly all offer free mules with subscription often 10+. If someone's argument is player need to macro less they why are the DEVs wasting so much time on sidegrades and not dropping relic/af/limbus gear entirely in favor of superior gear? I'll repeat the games core battle system revolves around macros and job swaps, yet we are being prevented by the games own inventory from doing just that.

[Kimble]

Why is it people don't want more inventory? Or rather why they argue against posts that are in favor of more inventory. Make abyssea/VW porter moogle slip, then make one for elemental sets, belts, grips, obis, gorgets and finally, make one for all forms of 99 Magian (granted that means they would have to add others if they improve Magian past 99) Then there will be room for discussion.

Im not against more inventory. If they gave us moogle slips for all you just said, id be all for it. I'm just saying its sense to cry about something that is already there to help us. Use the damn porter moogle and there is your space.

[Mirabelle]

Im not against more inventory. If they gave us moogle slips for all you just said, id be all for it. I'm just saying its sense to cry about something that is already there to help us. Use the damn porter moogle and there is your space.

I use the porter moogle and I still have 3 mules all holding Abyssea items, seals and +2 items for jobs I've yet to level. Also holding base gear for jobs I've yet to level. Also loaded with crafting items and crystals. There s no way I can move that stuff to my main and gear for 6 jobs, let alone 20 jobs.

The porter moogle system sucks as well. No easy way to view your inventory. The multitude of tickets, especially if you have to grab one limbus item, one relic item, one empyrean item before heading out.

[Camiie]

If a dollar is a lot for you, then you shouldn't be wasting money on an MMO.


Hey those extra dollars a month add up, and they are being wasted on an MMO! It's called FFXIV!

[Malamasala]

I liked the point about tokens and inventory that shouldn't be linked together. I'd love to get my extra inventory that I never got because I'm too good at internet safety to bother getting a token.

[Tashan]

I have only 1 character. There is no problem.

[wish12oz]

I have 3 mules holding Abyssea items, seals and +2 items for jobs I've yet to level. Also holding base gear for jobs I've yet to level.

lol... what?

[FrankReynolds]

lol... what?


He's not throwing away things that he will need later.

[Mirabelle]

lol... what?

I have grand plans to level a lot of jobs (when SE gets inventory straightened out). I have rare and rare/ex gear on mules waiting for when I get around to it. Sure I could throw out certain items and get them again later, but i'd rather keep them handy as you never know when the muse will lead you to level a job you'd put aside.

And doing Abyssea got me a lot of seals I threw away when we couldn't mule them. Then I decided to level DNC and WHM and rued having to go get the seals again. So now I keep all my seals. Admittedly I could make the armor and store it but I have a lot of incomplete sets still.

[Scuro]

I read this and laughed. Get a mule, or gtfo lol. That or just learn to manage your stuff better, and this game doesn't need to cater to the 1% that don't know how to manage their gear better and/or have no mules yet want a mule's worth of space. /facepalm

[Krashport]

I really like, Could almost say l.. lo.. lo.v.. But yeah I really like the people that come in this thread that are Square Enix-huggers, Keep up the good work! :D

[Komori]

You don't need to have a complete set to store it on the Porter Moogle.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Not all gear is storable, as I've pointed out in a thread I started, many items can't be stored and others you wouldn't want to. For example, there are beast coins, ancient beast coins, ancient currency, crystals, crystal clusters, beast seals, 13 storage slips themsleves, furniture, any augmented sky or abj gear that can't be stored, VW gear/weapons, magian trial weapons weapons, af2+2 that HASN'T had the trial completed yet and CANT be stored, COP/WOTG completion earring/DM/APOC/AMK/ACP/AMA/WOTG nation item, and other items that can't be stored, but most players possess. The TOAU ring and lets not forget the headpeice with the customized signature.

I've yet to mention anything like obi, thief knife or job specific gear one might use on their primary job. I feel people who say inventory management is key is so 2007, in this game this day and age the DEV want you to pack your moghouse, and they want you to level more than a few jobs so YOU need space.

Oh, yea, the 8 geodes and 8 avatarities say hello, too. I mean, it's not like you can let them drop you need storage space for all of this stuff, especially when it all stacks to 99 why wouldn't one collect them when they are valuable and can be used or sold later. As of right now, anyone not collecting them is not optimal capacity, maybe they just don't have the storage space for it all?

[Mirabelle]

I think those that have adequate space have never levelled a ranged attacking job or mage job. Let alone both.
ANd even if they have adequate space without a mule, what right do they have to say others aren't managing their items well enough?

Until you walk a mile in another's shoes...

I challenge anyone to come to my moghouse and get rid of stuff. I already run pretty lean on gear, meds, weapons, food, ammo, crafting materials.

[Logandor]

I've seen what summoner's (really top notch ones) have to carry and I feel bad watching them solo stuff that drops 6+ items that probably 4 of the 6 items will hit the floor because their bag will be full at the end of the fight. >.< I think they should look at the combing of items used in crafting that they have yet to combine (skins) and fix that. Then how about a quest for the mage jobs to do to combine all those sachets and gorgets and staffs into a few instead of one dealing with each element. Oh and should they think about the ranged jobs like cor and rng? I mean holly crap. Arrows, bullets, cards, gear to swap for each to be effective. I've seen what they go through and to be honest either giving them more porter moogle slips to store this stuff or combine gear or something would be beneficial for ff crew to actually look into. Just saying...

[FrankReynolds]

I think those that have adequate space have never levelled a ranged attacking job or mage job. Let alone both.
ANd even if they have adequate space without a mule, what right do they have to say others aren't managing their items well enough?

Until you walk a mile in another's shoes...

I challenge anyone to come to my moghouse and get rid of stuff. I already run pretty lean on gear, meds, weapons, food, ammo, crafting materials.

I'm guessing that they probably don't even carry items that they should have for the job they are on. And everyone loves that guy who comes / nin to everything and never has tools right? Or these mule arguments...

OK guy, you need to go mule some gear you say? Well I'm gonna shout for someone else who already has that job geared while your gone. How fun is that?

[kallika]

In my opinion the problem i see or have had with the porter moogle system is not having the instant access to just grab gear and go, yes i know it does'nt take much to grab your slips and head to a porter moogle, its just that when your in a hurry that can get real annoying.

I was in a abyssea exp party and i was using dd jobs at the time and i decided i wanted to come back and leve some mage jobs after i capped all exp and merits, so i warped to change jobs get gear which was all in porter mog storage and at that time all of my other storage and inventory spaces (safe, locker, satchel, sack), was just about full with gear and seals and things of that nature, not to mention all the other storage slips, well it took so long just to switch gear around and put all the dd stuff back in with the porter mog that i got threatened to be kicked from the party if i didnt hurry, i could have probably came back to the party naked but thats just not fun in my opinion i rather play with my full gear sets and not have to feel rushed to get back to a party with half or no gear on at all.

[Komori]

The amount of time for the party to start rushing you seems like thirty or so minutes. The Porter Moogle; using your moghouse to zone to Lower Jeuno after getting staves etc. from your Moghouse. Should be about five to ten minutes, that's talking getting every piece of relic, empyrean, accessory, salvage or whatnot. After clicking the first BLM or mage oriented items it's what, 4 rapid clicks after that to get it all off the moogle then switching to the next slip.

[bungiefanNA]

It's not about the one dollar, You would have realized it's all about the principal. But then again coming off the way you are, All I can see is closed minded. I bet if Square Enix did come up with a better inventory system as to not having to mule, Many Customers would be happier and would pay for it. As to learning to prioritize gear better.. Do you play like me or we play like each other or we play like we?... wtf gtfo man I play the way "I" play and that's it!

The fee for extra characters is from when the game was new. To keep people from filling up the servers with characters just for items, they gave a negative incentive to keep people from creating more than they need, by charging for them. Remember the Xbox 360 beta, where Cactuar was full of characters that had been created to the point that nobody else could make a character, and because the beta was free, people didn't have an incentive to delete their character when they quit, they just deleted the game. That could have happened on every server if there wasn't something stopping you from using every possible character slot.

The Mag Satchel is a positive incentive. Security Tokens were released because of all the account hacking that was happening. Since they cost money, and some users wouldn't understand the point of increased account security, the Mog Satchel was connected as incentive for people to get the token. The Mog Sack is a free version of the Satchel.

[Zinato]

The fee for extra characters is from when the game was new. To keep people from filling up the servers with characters just for items, they gave a negative incentive to keep people from creating more than they need, by charging for them.

That intresting by this testimony, it sounds like Muling is something the DEVs DON'T want. Granted now with population down its not such a danger, by that same token there's no longer a reason not to make it free.

[FrankReynolds]

ermmmm since when can you log in on 2 characters on the same account?

[Zinato]

ermmmm since when can you log in on 2 characters on the same account?

I don't think it means literal in-game players, I think the idea was to limit the overall character data distributed to each server. I don't own a mule but, mules do require a server to be located to do they not? I know when I started way back when, quite a few servers where locked out entirely, not even sure world passes would get you in.

Way I figure it, (assuming this is accurate) Is since mules can be placed on different servers from a main. They wanted to account for if say all the Leviathan server mules activated at once, that way if for some reason all those mules decided to log in at once individual servers wouldn't go over capacity.

[Duelle]

That intresting by this testimony, it sounds like Muling is something the DEVs DON'T want. Granted now with population down its not such a danger, by that same token there's no longer a reason not to make it free.I don't really buy this. Gear design for the last six years or so indicates otherwise. The only time muling and swaps and all that fell on the wayside was when the empyrean sets were first introduced, as at the time several jobs could full-time those and perform decently due to the sheer stats on those sets.

[Mirabelle]

The fee for extra characters is from when the game was new. To keep people from filling up the servers with characters just for items, they gave a negative incentive to keep people from creating more than they need, by charging for them. Remember the Xbox 360 beta, where Cactuar was full of characters that had been created to the point that nobody else could make a character, and because the beta was free, people didn't have an incentive to delete their character when they quit, they just deleted the game. That could have happened on every server if there wasn't something stopping you from using every possible character slot.

The Mag Satchel is a positive incentive. Security Tokens were released because of all the account hacking that was happening. Since they cost money, and some users wouldn't understand the point of increased account security, the Mog Satchel was connected as incentive for people to get the token. The Mog Sack is a free version of the Satchel.


You could always just make the first 3 mules free and pay $2 for any additional mules. That would keep the servers from getting loaded with mules.

[Trisscar]

Assuming all Customers play like Kimble does, Making Lower Jeuno their Home Point and only using that Porter Moogle Still doesn't simplify things.

The porter moogles are all a few steps from the nearest MH (okay, except for in Whitegate) lot closer than most of the armor storage NPC from ye olde times (the one in Jeuno is the only one closer to the MH than the moogle is, so far as I know). Your argument is invalid.

[Rezeak]

Krashport the way you represented your idea way bad infact it just screams lazy and pointless angry at pple.

All you would of needed to write was "Se can i have 2 more 80 storage areas in my MH instead of a mule (even if it cost $1 a month"

[Krashport]

If Square Enix would put then into the Mog House (Maybe making another room in the MH for the Porter Moogle) Would help a lot and save Customers the timesink always walking to them.
^

Walking a few feet from the Lower Jeuno MH to the Porter Moogle so such a timesink.
^

Assuming all Customers play like Kimble does, Making Lower Jeuno their Home Point and only using that Porter Moogle Still doesn't simplify things.
^

The other starting cities (Sandy, Windy, Bastok) all have their potter moogles near a mog exit it as well. With the quest that lets you exit out of any mog house, it makes it even easier.

Simple conclusion. Stop being lazy.
^

Um Stop being lazy... If I wanted to not be lazy I would be at work, Right about now playing a video game people should have the luxury of being "Lazy"! :p

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Assuming all Customers play like Kimble does, Making Lower Jeuno their Home Point and only using that Porter Moogle Still doesn't simplify things.
^

The porter moogles are all a few steps from the nearest MH (okay, except for in Whitegate) lot closer than most of the armor storage NPC from ye olde times (the one in Jeuno is the only one closer to the MH than the moogle is, so far as I know). Your argument is invalid. And my argument is invalid...

Let's recap.
Porter Moogle; Can only hold so much. Also giving us more items "Slips" to hold in our inventory.

Security token; Should be for Security not inventory. We shouldn't have to buy the Security token for just the inventory, Some of us have Norton or other safeguards.

Muling; Seems Square Enix knew there was/is a problem with the inventory system, therefore, They let us mule mostly everything costing us more time and money and not just fixing the problem.

Consoles; Haven't checked up on this yet, But hearing Square Enix do not "Openly" support the Sony Playstation 2 as well as the Microsoft Xbox 360 anymore "Outloud", Hence you can no longer buy copies of the game for these Consoles anymore, Amzon dosen't count. They should really let their players know and stop keeping them in the shadows.

I'm sure there is more, But I'll just let other Members speak up.


Krashport the way you represented your idea way bad infact it just screams lazy and pointless angry at pple. I'm sorry "You" feel that way.

[Trisscar]

And my argument is invalid...
Yes, it is. Thanks for admitting to it.


Let's recap.
Porter Moogle; Can only hold so much. Also giving us more items "Slips" to hold in our inventory.
About the only thing you say with any merit so far. What's even the point of the physical slips taking up inventory space anyhow? The claim slips armor storage NPC give you are KI so why aren't the porter slips? Plus if you should lose the slips somehow you lose access to whatever you have stored with the porters... permanently. What the hell kind of sense does that make?


Security token; Should be for Security not inventory. We shouldn't have to buy the Security token for just the inventory, Some of us have Norton or other safeguards.

Worse, they've stop selling tokens last I heard. So if you didn't get it when it was still available you are SoL.



Consoles; Haven't checked up on this yet, But hearing Square Enix do not "Openly" support the Sony Playstation 2 as well as the Microsoft Xbox 360 anymore "Outloud", Hence you can no longer buy copies of the game for these Consoles anymore, Amzon dosen't count. They should really let their players know and stop keeping them in the shadows.
When I had to replace my 360 disc (it became unreadable last year) I was able to find a replacement copy at Gamestop. Your argument is lacking.



I'm sorry "You" feel that way.
They write like 14 year texting addict and their sentence structure could use some work, but they're hardly alone in the sentiment.