Avatar Primes vs a 99?

[Drutaru]

Hey guys, Starting the game back up and I have decided to reroll into my Summoner again. I was wondering, now that everyone's 99 in like a day. Can a 99, iunno, Monk, for example.. Solo prime? More importantly Fenrir Prime? Or will I still need to find 5 other summoner's with 5 other leviathans like I did the first time around?

Thanks kindly, <3
-Drutaru

[Alpheus]

6 elemental primes can be soloed easily with a nin/rdm im sure a mnk could solo /rdm (bar spell damage mitigation and the like)

Fenrir is just risky after he does his AF BP Rage. I duoed fenrir with a whm buddy, was there to toss two heals to patch me up after his 2hr but i think it could have been soloed but the fight would have been more drawn out for sure. WHM for heals was prob overkill. Have a duo partner bring light heals is my recommendation.

[Draylo]

I'm sure they are all soloable now with extreme ease.

[Drutaru]

Thanks very much. Gives me hope. :D

[Alpheus]

Diabolos can still get the better of you though if you are careless. Also his pit of death isn't so deadly when u can easily survive a few hits to run up the ramp and head back towards the upper floor to drop back down on the tiles. Granted I didnt pull this off since he nightmare'd and pulled the rug up from under me but even as a COR the Diremites on the floor had trouble hitting me

[Texx-sylph]

Hi all,
new smn around ^^
i had my avatar prime battles made by a friend nin/dnc99 and i would like to re-do the battles by myself for fenrir (i still miss levi).
at what level a summoner can solo avatar primes? what's the best subjob to do it? also diabolos is soloable? are there any specific advices? i don't think i can do it on my poor 65 but... just for fun i think maybe on 80-90some...
thanks a lot for your help

[Zarchery]

I soloed the 6 elemental primes with ease as 90MNK/45DNC.

I soloed Alexander and Odin easily as 99BST/49DNC.

I duoed Fenrir prime with a buddy. I was 99WHM/49RDM and he was 99MNK/49NIN. It was a very easy fight. Haven't bothered to try and solo Fenrir though. I'm betting I could on BST though.

Diabolos I couldn't solo on any job at 99. Nightmare is just too much to handle without healing support. You could probably manage it in a duo with a healer, if the healer stayed out of Nightmare range.

[Babekeke]

Hi all,
new smn around ^^
i had my avatar prime battles made by a friend nin/dnc99 and i would like to re-do the battles by myself for fenrir (i still miss levi).
at what level a summoner can solo avatar primes? what's the best subjob to do it? also diabolos is soloable? are there any specific advices? i don't think i can do it on my poor 65 but... just for fun i think maybe on 80-90some...
thanks a lot for your help

With decent gear, ifrit, titan, shiva and ramuh were soloable by SMN at 75. The other 2 were risky because of their ability to heal and drag the fight out, but since vile elixir and vile elixir +1 are now 10/20k, they should all be soloable at 75 now. SJ depends on your level. SCH would be my preference in general, but 82+ RDM might be a better option for bar spells and refresh/convert.
Remember with /SCH you can equip max HP gear and sublimation before starting the fight for a nice extra mp pool. once pool is full, equip normal gear and go in.

[Imakun]

Just do add, I solo'd all the Prime Celestials (but Odin and Alexander, of course) on my new charater, a Taru SCH99. They were extremely easy for me, 4-5 nukes at best and they're fried. My gear comes straight from my old char, things like Novio ed Hecate's, but you shouldn't really need these things.
It takes roughly a couple of minutes, including preparation time inside the battlefield, to kill one this way using Alacrity only to switch back and forth between tier V and IV spells. Toss in an Helix spell if you want.

[Raksha]

I solod the original 6 back at lvl 75 as SCH. Hell I bet I could melee them to death now.

[Texx-sylph]

ok now i reach my lev 95+...
do you have any advice to make this fights?
atm i have as avatars:
carby-garuda-shiva-titan-ramuh
need to fight levi and ifrit
i am 95 smn and 50 sch/whm
as per equip i'm still working on it and i have HQ staves, ice grip
af1 horn, caller's pendant, graiai earring, austere robe, austere cuffs/carby mitts, 2x astral rings, tiresia's cape, hierarch belt , af1 legs, austere feet.
1032mp atm.
what's the best practice to solo the avatars? it's something as BP or only a long attack of the avatar with "occasional" BP?
i'm just trying to understand how is solo with smn.. as a galka i'm all the time worried about mp's :D

[Babekeke]

At 75 it was definately a case of always use the avatar strong to the one you're fighting, and only use magical BPs, never the phys ones. When I first did it, it was tier 4 nukes, but if you have the merit abilities, these can work too.

You need leviathan to kill ifrit, so kill leviathan first with Ramuh. Take some meds with you because if Levi spams spring water it could be a drawn-out fight. The ifrit fight should be really easy.

Always engage, BP rage with your T4 nuke after your avatar lands a couple of melee attacks, then pulll back half way down the ramp to give you some time to recast if needed. Keep stoneskin and if /rdm or /whm, barelement up for the 2 hour.

[Texx-sylph]

Ok....
i made the first avatar of course before your advices :)
made ifrit without levi... fight went quite smooth
i went smn/whm
buffed with aerial armor + earthen ward. barfira.
rest
then used garuda and predator claw
as per food/drinks/medicines i used 2 yag drink and a hi-elixir (maybe too mutch... i closed the fight with 700+ mp)
total time with buffs 11 mins.
i used the same tech as i used for maat... so stay away from the avatar and run to the crystal before the 2h... so i can resummon garuda before ifrit come to me again.
was cool and interesting doing the fight also because i knew that i was not in the optimal shape (no correct avatar) but.. was cool. these are my first accomplishments as a summoner ... and so i know are so small compared with what i read here but... for me are small important steps to have confidence with the job.
for Levi i will use your advice (tier IV or also merited 75 BP from Ramuh)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Hey guys, Starting the game back up and I have decided to reroll into my Summoner again. I was wondering, now that everyone's 99 in like a day. Can a 99, iunno, Monk, for example.. Solo prime? More importantly Fenrir Prime? Or will I still need to find 5 other summoner's with 5 other leviathans like I did the first time around?

Thanks kindly, <3
-DrutaruIf you're still havign a problem with fenrir, bst can solo it.

[Jhes]

Diabolos I couldn't solo on any job at 99. Nightmare is just too much to handle without healing support. You could probably manage it in a duo with a healer, if the healer stayed out of Nightmare range.

I soloed Diabolos Prime on BLU. I was getting Diabolos for my WHM alt account, the most she did was barsleepra at the top, after i dropped and engaged he was dead in about 30 seconds.

As for the main 6 avatars, a summoner could solo them at 75, i used to do it for fun, only one thats really a problem is leviathan cause of his healing spam at lower percentange, but they can all be soloed... at 99 with the new avatar abilities and such, i'd imagine this to be a cakewalk.

[Texx-sylph]

at 99 with the new avatar abilities and such, i'd imagine this to be a cakewalk.

titan prime vs garuda. smn 99.
3 wind blade titan from 100% to 2%
titan 2h --> garuda from 100% to 52%

indeed

[Babekeke]

Grats on Ifrit^^

It seems that they really are a cakewalk at 99, but I'm sure that if you're not careful it could still go terribly wrong :)

Fenrir and Diabolos should prove a challenge though XD
Not to mention Alex and Odin hehe

[Texx-sylph]

Ferir soled yesterday... took 1 resummon (used Garuda). 1 vile elixir just to be sure, because i was not /sch but /whm.
For BP i used Predatow Claws.
don't know if was luck :)
moonlight charge did 150ihst to garuda with Harura on my big head.
need to re-try for the avatar (i 1st took the item for evoker)

[Texx-sylph]

Tried a few mins ago to solo Diabolos...
i don't think is possibile soloing it. not because is too much for avatar's (my predator claws lands for 2k dmga taking him to 72% in 1 shot.
problem is the hate control.
despite this predator claw, and a BP:ward, diabolos continue hitting me and do not consider Garuda for 1 second.
so if i cannot learn a way to manage hate on my avatar i don't think Diabolos is soloable by smn.

[Babekeke]

I wonder if this is something SE added to the fight to stop PUPs from being able to do perfect solo at 75?

[Teraniku]

Hey guys, Starting the game back up and I have decided to reroll into my Summoner again. I was wondering, now that everyone's 99 in like a day. Can a 99, iunno, Monk, for example.. Solo prime? More importantly Fenrir Prime? Or will I still need to find 5 other summoner's with 5 other leviathans like I did the first time around?

Thanks kindly, <3
-Drutaru

I solo'd Garuda on my 99 PLD/WHM so anyone could probably do it lol

[Mostfowl]

unless your smn magic skill is in the toilet you can solo all the avatars on smn. Hell the 6 main avatars we used to solo on thf, dnc, nin, smn, etc at 75. Although the funnest was rdm/nin solos (oh rdm/nin how i miss your glory days)

When I needed avatars, my roomie tore apart not only the 6 elemental but also diablos and feni as well with his smn so its definitely doable. Really almost any job should be able to take out the 6 elementals at 99. The only one that most likely couldnt would be whm, but who knows that even may be possible.

[Texx-sylph]

As told Fenrir is soloable without any problem by smn @99.
made a couple of times with garuda, the only difference with the "base" avatars is that you need to resummon 1 time garuda (if the PC are landing right, u will summon again when fenrir is @15ish% hp).
the resummon is just to be safe. with a whispering wind u can avoid also the resummon.
Diabolos is duable (also solable). went with a 99sam/dnc with masamune took down to 16% with first WS chains.

[Mostfowl]

Don't make the #1 mistake most new smns make and rely 100% on garuda and shiva to get things done. I hear you talk garuda for this and garuda for that. Every avatar has its pros and cons and ifrit, levi, ramuh, etc may be better in some situations than garuda. So many new summoners use garuda and shiva almost exclusively with not-so-good results. Its like bst who use 1-2 jugs. You need to learn what strengths each avatar has so you know when to use them.

Garuda and shiva are good in some situations. Garuda for instance can tear Turul apart but if you try to use her on Bakka the fight will be 200% harder than if you use Shiva. Same with Ironclad Executioner which Levi can rip apart but garuda will fail on more often than not and the fight will double, triple, quadruple in length.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Since RDM could do them all bar Diabolos, Alexander and Odin at 75, I should assume EVERY job can now do it with and possibly without a /mage subjob

[Texx-sylph]

Garuda as all the other avatars is situational Mostflow.
but since from lev 75 is the easiest to equip (Harura Hakigane) giving the lowest perp. cost, a boost in defence and attack i think when a particular mob does not have specific weakness Garuda is still the best choice. This, plus his healing ability grants you the easiest best combo you can have. despite his darkness base i will not go with Carby just for weakness on Fenrir!
but of course is normal that if you have a specific weakness mob, u can use the specific avatar (e.g. the ironclads with Leviathan).
Just to try the Tomberry Lejie without Leviathan to understand how important is the strenghts and weaknesses :)

for avatars all can be fougth well @99smn (/sch or /whm) until Fenrir. From there u have to stop (at least @Diabolos, because i re-start game with a new char and not tried fighting Alexander & Odin :))