Dynamis - Mad

[Kapao]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

[Aldersyde]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

Oh no, I've traveled back in time again...

Yawn, this has been done.

[Yambo99]

Oh no, I've traveled back in time again...

Yawn, this has been done.

Face bothered?

[SpankWustler]

I was hoping this was a suggestion for a new Dynamis zone where all the monsters are indestructible middle-aged Japanese men. They would use unstoppable and unimaginably powerful balance-elemental special techniques against any who dared enter such a zone. Also, there would be no form of exit. One could not even homepoint free from this place.

The concept behind Dynamis - Mad would be to frustrate the player until he or she rage-quit to do something more productive while waiting out the hour and a half left in Dynamis. There would be no rewards.

Instead, I discover the fourth recent topic about yellow stuff being yellow and people being people. Son, I am disappoint.

[Zinato]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

This goes for all other classes as well, don't let your words come back to bite you. If DD has links I'll be happy to lend a hand.

[Arcon]

Oh no, I've traveled back in time again...

Yawn, this has been done.

Pissing off BST never gets old. I approve.

[Yambo99]

Pissing off BST never gets old. I approve.


Thats what i'm talking about!

[Draylo]

Take that bst!

[Zerich]

Next thing they'll be doing, is asking to marry their animals in our sacred church of Altana...

NOT ON MY WATCH!!!!!!

[Krashport]

Next thing they'll be doing, is asking to marry their animals in our sacred church of Altana...

NOT ON MY WATCH!!!!!!

Is it an animal that Bst could zone with and keep!?, Cause that's going to take awhile once they find out they killed their mate... each time they zone! >.>

[Starry]

I don't see why they get mad at you. I usually get thanked when I kill their unclaimed mobs they left at 10%~ Which I'm not sure why they thank me, they are the ones giving me free currency; so I can't complain.

[Tsuneo]

You're all suckers for actually doing Dynamis, but I guess if no one did it than I wouldn't have anywhere to buy currency.

[Glamdring]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

I am a beast, we're very aware of it, yellow is yellow. Personally, I've never seen much point in doing 4 at once, 1-2 at a time is a great deal more efficient in terms of time and control. If SE really wants to fix what you are ACTUALLY complaining about the answer is stupendously simple-if the mob goes yellow, you lose the proc and have to redo it-that should fix all the whining in either direction.

[Yinnyth]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

If you see a large group of players camping enemies on an even larger scale, do you merrily walk through picking off their unclaimed, yet slept mobs? Or is it only in the presence of a solo BST that your less appealing social tendencies take over?

[SpankWustler]

If SE really wants to fix what you are ACTUALLY complaining about the answer is stupendously simple-if the mob goes yellow, you lose the proc and have to redo it-that should fix all the whining in either direction.

This solution would slightly lower the overall amount of currency produced. Which makes me wonder...

Are you sure you aren't actually a member of a the FFXI Development Team? For instance, do you suspect that you drink office supplies and develop a new chapter of Voidwatch during each full moon? Do you sometimes add salt to a friend's coffee or tea instead of sugar, and tell them you did it to provide "balance"?


If you see a large group of players camping enemies on an even larger scale, do you merrily walk through picking off their unclaimed, yet slept mobs?

I like this as a rhetorical question. I can't imagine a large group of players would leave proc'ed monsters alive (claimed or not) long enough for this situation to actually come up, though.

[Yinnyth]

It's a matter of selfishness vs. selfishness. Solo BST vs. several mobs, they do that to maximize their efficiency. Other dude walks in, takes already procced, half-dead mobs and finishes them off. Partly because they want the easy money, partly because they just want to be annoying to the BST.

So I wondered if this selfishness is only strong enough to screw over one type of player, or if an entire group of players hogging "your" mobs would be enough to set you off and attempt to screw them over with as much spite as you treat BSTs. That being said, it was intended as rhetorical to hopefully force a little introspection. I know the answer because there's a half-dozen of these threads addressed specifically to BSTs and...... exactly 0 threads directed at any other job or playstyle which steps on someone's toes in Dynamis.

[Alderin]

Yes, yellow is yellow - yet that is just plain rude.

Sure if they are holding 3-4 mobs during a busy time, they are asking for it. Especially if it's holding 4x potential pops when the area is currently empty - they kind of deserve it. However I also imagine you are the kind of person that would run over to a BST in an area that already has full pops and finish off their half dead mob - just to be a pain in the arse and piss people off.

Rudeness is rude. If they aren't dramatically decreasing your efficiency, then leave them alone.

On that note, same can be said about the party of 4-5 thf's and sam's that pull every mob in the zone and zerg everything down as fast as they can.

Don't have a cry because some jobs are more efficient at farming currency then ones you currently have levelled.

[Zinato]

It's a matter of selfishness vs. selfishness. Solo BST vs. several mobs, they do that to maximize their efficiency. Other dude walks in, takes already procced, half-dead mobs and finishes them off. Partly because they want the easy money, partly because they just want to be annoying to the BST.

So I wondered if this selfishness is only strong enough to screw over one type of player, or if an entire group of players hogging "your" mobs would be enough to set you off and attempt to screw them over with as much spite as you treat BSTs. That being said, it was intended as rhetorical to hopefully force a little introspection. I know the answer because there's a half-dozen of these threads addressed specifically to BSTs and...... exactly 0 threads directed at any other job or playstyle which steps on someone's toes in Dynamis.

People use BST as a scapegoat, someone to direct their anger too. A job does better then them at something nerf it is how alot of people think. WAR does DMG best NERF IT! RDM tanks best NERF IT! BST gets dynamis currency best NERF IT!

You know when players say stupid stuff like this SE listens, so here's one that I bet the THF crowd will like. Following the BST update THF will have 7 more TH after proc then any other job that's over 3 times as much. That seems OP to me, if WHM cured 3 times better the other healers they would nerf it, if any DD did 3 times DMG they would nerf it. Plus that's me taking into account RNG TH were it not for that it would be 4x more powerful.

People don't hate BST, they hate competition and since BST is the most common job they think BST = Competition. Which is funny actually, an ls mate of mine likes to go into dynamis on THF and steals proced yellow mobs from BST and party alike. Not once in over 5 runs of this has he been yelled at by any player. Not BST = Not problem. However, to avoid taking responsibility for creating a PvP zone out of Dynamis SE is happily nerfing BST to avoid fixing the Proc system/rate.

[Rezeak]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

WTF ..... at least thx me for procing the mob for you too lol

Mistral axe is now my fav weapon skill in Dyna waiting for a white mob to hit 10% then go white then BOOM from 10-15 distance away i throw my axe at it and COINS!!!!!

[Zinato]

WTF ..... at least thx me for procing the mob for you too lol

Mistral axe is now my fav weapon skill in Dyna waiting for a white mob to hit 10% then go white then BOOM from 10-15 distance away i throw my axe at it and COINS!!!!!

Don't get the wrong impression I don't have THF nor do I steal proc'd mobs. That doesn't mean I don't find it hilarious that people are so blinded by "BST is the enemy" that they allow a THF to do such things unchallenged. BST has become the first widespread case of Racism within the game. I've even begun seeing made up slang for BST as a job, and people verbally attack both the player character and the person at the keyboard, many times without any form of provoking. By this I mean outside Dynamis/Abyssea minding their own business farming geodes, doing trials etc. This whole issue is mostly over currency BTW, and in some rare cases abyssea. (Not that every player shouldn't have 2K+ stones by now, time shouldn't be an issue anymore.)

[Fupafighter]

The only problem i see with bsts is that their pets attack all the mobs at the same time lol...generally when the zone is empty and your going to try to take a mob, its hard because their pet just attacks and reclaims before you get enmity lol. If you ask me, check your dynamis zones before you go into dyna. Find a less populated zone. You should have no issues with currency pull in, as im pretty sure there are 3 different types of monsters per cycle you can fight. Yellow is yellow...if you can't hold your damn mobs, get over it.

[Zerich]

Is it an animal that Bst could zone with and keep!?, Cause that's going to take awhile once they find out they killed their mate... each time they zone! >.>

u mad bro?

[Krashport]

u mad bro?

naw lol Just always wondered though why doesn't Bst pets zone and was kinda trying... to make a funny... Yeah it was like 2amish when I posted this joke? ._.

[Dazusu]

If you see a large group of players camping enemies

I think the same goes for all groups of players who leave monsters yellow and feel entitlement to them.

[Walldorc]

This thread makes me want to try BLU/RDM CW burn.

Check for the most populated zone.

Then just follow the crowds..Memento Mori.....CW......Booom.

It could be a new sport....or does it happen already?

[Drai]

I don't mind BST's in Namis, I only get a little miffed when I search the zones, see 35 in Bubu, 40 in Valk, and 9 in Qufim, enter Qufim, 5 minutes pass, 39 in Qufim >.> more people need to search zones, all they're doing is lowering everyones efficiency, including their own, by trying to cram 39 in a room that can support around 18-20 on a good day >.>

[Daniel]

I don't mind BST's in Namis, I only get a little miffed when I search the zones, see 35 in Bubu, 40 in Valk, and 9 in Qufim, enter Qufim, 5 minutes pass, 39 in Qufim >.> more people need to search zones, all they're doing is lowering everyones efficiency, including their own, by trying to cram 39 in a room that can support around 18-20 on a good day >.>

This is why I stopped doing dynamis, I feel guilty passing up 300 currency a day when it used to take me 2-3 weeks to make that kind of money... but honestly deeling with 30-40 ass holes in one zone is just not worth it XD

[Juilan]

I like hold 6 mobs on my pld/dnc...
And again if they changed the types of monsters in the cities so JAs and Magics and WS monsters were in groups not a group with a mnk a blm a rdm a brd a rng and a pld, people would be more willing to camp in those zones for relic upgrading simply because they'd be AS easy as the dream lands, if not easier to farm a single type of currency...

[Yinnyth]

I think the same goes for all groups of players who leave monsters yellow and feel entitlement to them.

So you'd steal the yellow mobs from anyone, but only if they feel entitled to the yellow mob?

Here's the short of it: neither of you are entitled to that yellow mob. But if the freaking thing was pulled, procced, and half-killed by one guy, he's done more to deserve it than any random passerby. That still leaves mob ganker as a bigger jerk than guy who kills multiple enemies at the same time.

[Arcon]

But if the freaking thing was pulled, procced, and half-killed by one guy, he's done more to deserve it than any random passerby. That still leaves mob ganker as a bigger jerk than guy who kills multiple enemies at the same time.

And this is where you're wrong. There's a reason beyond being a dick why holding multiple mobs is bad, because it's inefficient. People think holding more mobs means more loot for them, but that's garbage. Holding mobs just means in the time you're fighting a group of mobs, other people can't, even though it's not going any faster for you. So you're not just being a selfish prick who wants more currency for himself instead of others, but you're effectively reducing the overall currency gain from that zone for everyone at no gain to yourself. If a person comes and steals the mob and proceeds to kills it, it means it will repop sooner, so he's doing everyone a favor (partly even the fuckwad who was holding it).

People should kill yellow mobs, especially if they're procced because that means despite getting a proc he's wasting everyone's time holding it and slowing down repops as well. Unless you have a means of damaging two or more mobs at the same time at the same rate you'd do it to a single mob (like if you're a WAR FCing, for whatever reason), there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to hold mobs and if you're doing it you deserve whatever it is people have in store for you.

[SpankWustler]

People should kill yellow mobs, especially if they're procced because that means despite getting a proc he's wasting everyone's time holding it and slowing down repops as well. Unless you have a means of damaging two or more mobs at the same time at the same rate you'd do it to a single mob (like if you're a WAR FCing, for whatever reason), there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to hold mobs and if you're doing it you deserve whatever it is people have in store for you.

About the Fell Cleave bit...

It's vaguely similar for a Beastmaster who lets his or her pet kill proc'ed monsters while he or she focuses on using BOX STEP BOX STEP BOX STEP BOX STEP BOX STEP BOX STEP on a fresh monster. The pet can't help with procs, the Beastmaster has no reason to kill an un-proc'ed monster more quickly using the pet's assistance, and the Beastmaster isn't exactly a damage-machine when BOX STEP BOX STEP BOX STEP is needed at every opportunity; so pulling a fresh monster and letting the pet finish off the proc'ed monster is the most efficient option for that individual.

I'm not experienced enough with new Dynamis to know if Beastmasters actually work up huge back-logs doing this or not. I strongly suspect not, though, and that people of all colors and creeds just grab a bunch of monsters because they forgot about the dreadful proc affair for one glorious moment. Then they're reminded of it over dozens of BOX STEPS BOX STEPS BOX STEPS while stuff just lingers about and impacts their efficiency.

Your point of "grabbing a bunch of stuff and not killing anything that has seen the !! is dumb" definitely stands. I just think it's worth pointing out that there's a reason Beastmasters sometimes fight two things at once when the opportunity is there.

[Yinnyth]

And this is where you're wrong. There's a reason beyond being a dick why holding multiple mobs is bad, because it's inefficient.
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Unless you have a means of damaging two or more mobs at the same time at the same rate you'd do it to a single mob (like if you're a WAR FCing, for whatever reason), there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to hold mobs and if you're doing it you deserve whatever it is people have in store for you.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect about this. Killspeed is not the only limiting factor. Under your reasoning, a brd+dd duo would be best served by having the brd pull one mob, help kill the mob until it's completely dead, and then move to pull again, but this simply is not the case. The BRD's time is better spent looking for the next "good" pull. The reason for this is because any time that the DD spends waiting for a pull is lost potential, so the BRD is best served by maintaining a constant flow of enemies for the DD so they never stop swinging.

The same thing goes for BST. The BST himself is the puller and the proccer, the pet is the DD. Any time the pet spends without a target to fight is wasted potential. Any time the pet spends waiting for a proc before finishing a mob off is wasted potential. This goes even further when you take into consideration the types of mob that BST fights (if you assume beastmen type mob). THFs, for example, waste 30 seconds of your time if you fail to proc them before they hit 50% HP. If both the BST and the pet are fighting this mob at the same time, your chances of bringing it to 50% HP before proccing double (assuming the bst and pet are evenly matched for damage).

So no, BST's efficiency is maximized by making sure the pet always has a procced mob to fight, and looking for the next target. And even if you assume the BST is limiting his own efficiency by being stupid, being a jerk doesn't solve stupid.

[Rezeak]

So you'd steal the yellow mobs from anyone, but only if they feel entitled to the yellow mob?

Here's the short of it: neither of you are entitled to that yellow mob. But if the freaking thing was pulled, procced, and half-killed by one guy, he's done more to deserve it than any random passerby. That still leaves mob ganker as a bigger jerk than guy who kills multiple enemies at the same time.

Here's the real short of it .

fighting 2-4 mobs at once is actually holding up the respawns for everyone.

[Arcon]

I just think it's worth pointing out that there's a reason Beastmasters sometimes fight two things at once when the opportunity is there.

There is, and I was specifically targeting the groups of people who hold a bunch of mobs and assume they're all legally claimed. However, even that point has only partial application to BST, because by that logic they'd keep this up until they have a massive backlog that they can't possibly handle, so they'll end up wasting time and effort anyway.


The same thing goes for BST. The BST himself is the puller and the proccer, the pet is the DD.

Who says? A decent BST can deal damage comparable to their pet. Your argument depends on the assumption that pulling time after a mob is dead is wasted, but pulling time while the mob is alive is not. And it does not change the fact that after a while you'd have to move camp anyway or your pulls would be getting ridiculously long.

I admit I made a generalization, and I'm hating myself right now because I try to avoid those whenever I can. But the fact is, it's not nearly as beneficial to them as many people think it is. While killspeed is not all, it is a major factor, especially in this situation.


And even if you assume the BST is limiting his own efficiency by being stupid, being a jerk doesn't solve stupid.

It's not about being a jerk, it's about taking an available mob, which increases currency flow. If you kill it before the BST would have, overall currency gain is increased at that time. Sucks for the BST, but not as much as it is beneficial for you. And concidering the BST does it by depriving others of available mobs to increase their own efficiency, this doesn't seem an unfair action.

Also, it seems you forget the second part to my argument. One was that it's not always as beneficial to the BST as they imagine, the other that it's overall less efficient in generating currency. While it may be beneficial to the BST, if done correctly, it drags everyone else down significantly more. It is, in any case, a selfish act. To maximize their efficiency (by a smaller amount), they deprive others of their farming time. And this issue is, at its core, a moral one. You say the BST "deserves" it, because he worked on it. I say other people deserve it, because he's depriving others of their farming time/space for a net loss in efficiency. The nature of Dynamis doesn't allow for this kind of planning, you enter when you enter and everyone is alloted the same amount of time. They can't just "come back later" and get what's there, they also have to do the best they can with what they have available. And precisely because of this, the "I was here first" argument doesn't work here.

[Zinato]

Here's the real short of it .

Spending 15-60 seconds turned around attempting to Proc !! is actually holding up the respawns for everyone.

Corrected for accuracy, the Entirety of this mess could be solved with Proc system tweaks or removal.

Also,
More DD you do the more likely you spend time turned around waiting for a proc to happen, personal all time record with 5/5 TE in dreamland was 3 minutes of turned around mob holding action.

*Why does proc cause such a great boost to currency drops over TH?
*Is BST TH nerf ment so they can re-adjust to a non proc system without hurting THF?
*Why do only 3 sets of a dozen mobs have a JA weakness at any given time, and why is all but one "circle" so far apart?
*Why is WS proc not nearly 100% or Magic a higher %?
*Why don't respawn timers adjust based on how fast people are killing things?
*Why does SE enjoy watching people compete over mobs while yelling every slang, insult, swear word they can find? (kings, dynamis, abyssea)
*Is this how they keep currency rates in check, since an unopposed efficient group can easily create 100-200 pieces of currency per person per day?
*Does SE hate all of the players who play this game, and just want to force them onto XIV so they can put us back on the wheel from square one?

The world may never know.

[Dart]

if I let my stuff go yellow its on my head, apply this to everyone. Simple as that. Don't like it? Go cry on the forums about it or try to make up justifications about entitlement.

[SpankWustler]

I'd be interested to know roughly how much currency an increased activation rate for magic !!'s would put in the economy, according to the Development Bros. Same goes for weaponskill !!'s or AoE !!'s from magic or weaponskills.

I'm fine with things are they are now but a lot of people seem really worked up. Is there some dude on the Development Bros who weighs nerd-rage in one hand and currency attainability in the other finds each morning that the nerd-rage isn't heavy enough to justify a change yet?


*Why does proc cause such a great boost to currency drops over TH?
Balance!

*Is BST TH nerf ment so they can re-adjust to a non proc system without hurting THF?
It is meant to provide balance!

*Why do only 3 sets of a dozen mobs have a JA weakness at any given time, and why is all but one "circle" so far apart?
Balance!

*Why is WS proc not nearly 100% or Magic a higher %?
Balance!

*Why don't respawn timers adjust based on how fast people are killing things?
Balance!

*Why does SE enjoy watching people compete over mobs while yelling every slang, insult, swear word they can find?
Bad, much like good, goes around! Karmic balance!

*Is this how they keep currency rates in check, since an unopposed efficient group can easily create 100-200 pieces of currency per person per day? Not in check, but in balance!

*Does SE hate all of the players who play this game?
Yes.

[Lafaiel]

It has recently come to my attention that Beastmasters are not aware that when a monster is unclaimed, it is fair game. If I run past you and you are fighting 4 different monsters 2-3 of which unclaimed, I will gladly take it upon myself to help you out.

Just because you can hold 4 different monsters, it doesn't mean you are entitled to them. If you can't keep them claimed - don't Q_Q.

If this is the provocation you need to sprew 15 different delicious flavours of mad in say or shout, then Beastmaster probably isn't the job for you.


Alternatively - stop taking on 4 mobs and throwing a tantrum when a DD comes along to finish one off for you. We really don't mind helping you out, and will continue to do so - and we appreciate the TH you've applied for us (yours, for a limited time only!)

This is how the little bst's start out, they see the other bst do it so they learn from them, you never see bst crafting or trying to grow anything, its a simple fact that they're wandering parasites, they need goods to trade to make things work, they're so lazy they use thier pets to kill things and can't really do anything without them.

Beastmasters will sell anyone down the river but thier own kind, they refuse to integrate with the rest of the FFXI community and preffer to have thier own linkshells and gathering places and would exclude anyone not a bst, why do we put up with this? a change needs to be made, and something needs to be done about these parasites once and for all.

[Zinato]

BST has become the first widespread case of Racism within the game. I've even begun seeing made up slang for BST as a job, and people verbally attack both the player character and the person at the keyboard, many times without any form of provoking.


Beastmasters will sell anyone down the river but their own kind, they refuse to integrate with the rest of the FFXI community and prefer to have their own linkshells and gathering places and would exclude anyone not a BST, why do we put up with this? a change needs to be made, and something needs to be done about these parasites once and for all.

I want you to take a moment read what you said, remove Beastmaster and FFXI, now insert any race/belief or for that matter any type of person where BST would be. Now imagine saying that in a public place where people overhear you, what do you think they might be thinking? You not only just attacked the job but the people's play styles/personalities and therefore the people themselves. You are welcome to be upset that BST farms Dynamis you are welcome to be upset you've been out-claimed. However, it is this type of ignorance that screws the game up for everyone BST or otherwise. Think about what you post in the future, a comment/attitude like that said in Port Jeuno could get you GM jailed in game, or repeated offenses get you banned.


you never see bst crafting or trying to grow anything, its a simple fact that they're wandering parasites, they need goods to trade to make things work, they're so lazy they use thier pets to kill things and can't really do anything without them.

Ignorance that's really all I have to say about that.

[Frost]

This is how the little bst's start out, they see the other bst do it so they learn from them, you never see bst crafting or trying to grow anything, its a simple fact that they're wandering parasites, they need goods to trade to make things work, they're so lazy they use thier pets to kill things and can't really do anything without them.

Beastmasters will sell anyone down the river but thier own kind, they refuse to integrate with the rest of the FFXI community and preffer to have thier own linkshells and gathering places and would exclude anyone not a bst, why do we put up with this? a change needs to be made, and something needs to be done about these parasites once and for all.

I hope this is satire. If it is, it's brilliant, it's a little dark selecting something from the repertoire of Hermann Göring...

If it's not satire, I am a little disturbed as it's something right out of Hermann Göring's repertoire...

[Lafaiel]

I hope this is satire. If it is, it's brilliant, it's a little dark selecting something from the repertoire of Hermann Göring...

If it's not satire, I am a little disturbed as it's something right out of Hermann Göring's repertoire...

damn, I've been made. I was trying to find "the eternal steam engine" on youtube (great piece of music by the way) but it kept auto completing to something else after "the eternal" part so after about the 10th time I checked it out, turned out to be some early 40's looking german film, I never looked at a beastmaster the same way after that.

[Castoth]

I like how, after almost 1 1/2 years of lackluster updates, the community has gone back to trolling and flaming each other to hell. Party like it's 2006 all over again!

[Lafaiel]

I like how, after almost 1 1/2 years of lackluster updates, the community has gone back to trolling and flaming each other to hell. Party like it's 2006 all over again!

"balance" is what they're calling it these days.

[Yinnyth]

Who says? A decent BST can deal damage comparable to their pet. Your argument depends on the assumption that pulling time after a mob is dead is wasted, but pulling time while the mob is alive is not. And it does not change the fact that after a while you'd have to move camp anyway or your pulls would be getting ridiculously long.

I must admit I don't play BST, and I don't really know anyone who plays BST, so I don't know much about their damage potential. But I certainly do know a lot about efficiency. The BST --must-- make next pull. He --must-- spend that time between each kill. Whether he leaves before or after his current mob is dead does not affect the amount of efficiency loss he sustains by not currently having something to attack. If his pet is attacking nothing while he pulls, he's doubling his damage loss during the pull phase. I'm trying to think of a way to word this more clearly.

When I said the pet is the DD, I did not mean to imply that pets always do more damage than BSTs (however, with the burden of pulling and proccing on the BST, it is quite likely that they DO outdamage the BST). I meant that the only thing the pet contributes is damage, and if it is not damaging anything, it is wasting efficiency. The BSTs duties are pulling, proccing, and dealing damage. As long as they are spending time on any one of those activities, they are not wasting any efficiency because that's something they'd have to do either way. So both BST and pet maximize their efficiency if the BST leaves to pull early so he can begin his proccing duties sooner and so the pet will immediately have a new target as soon as the old one dies.

[Arcon]

Whether he leaves before or after his current mob is dead does not affect the amount of efficiency loss he sustains by not currently having something to attack. If his pet is attacking nothing while he pulls, he's doubling his damage loss during the pull phase. I'm trying to think of a way to word this more clearly.

You don't need to, I understand what you mean, I'm just disagreeing. Case 1: BST pulls, has to run to mob and back; case 2: both pull after mob is dead, only have to run to the mob, hence shortened pull time and moved camps slightly (not as noticeable in Xarc or cities, but in dreamlands, where the camps are larger and you can roam around within them it does contribute).

And BST and pet damage are still comparable, I was including Dynamis playstyle. Otherwise any good BST would out damage their pet by a noticeable margin.

[seya]

I just read the first page was enough by me ... all bst know yellow is yellow but there is some dds who will stop at you wait for the stagger before steal your mob (happened before with me i never pull a whole zone i do one mob at time but sometimes we get aggro ) , and for the person who say we will probally want to marry our pets personally i find my pets a better company them lot of the Pcs of my server.

[Aana]

*If ANYONE has multiple (yellow) mobs and theres another 10 up wandering, i dont care and go about my business.

*If ANYONE has multiple (yellow) mobs and theres another 0 up wandering, i take your yellow crap. Period.

*If ANYONE has multiple (yellow) mobs and theres another 0 up wandering, I took your yellow crap and you start whining/moaning/bitching/complaining about it, I will AGGRESSIVELY take more of your yellow mobs to teach you a lesson about entitlement and for being a whiny bitch. (and it prevents me from falling asleep in grindy dynamis :P)

That my friends are the rules I play by for my runs up to 350 currency and ~30 forgotten items :)

[Zerich]

omggggg, NO ONE CARES ABOUT BST

[Disifer]

That my friends are the rules I play by for my runs up to 350 currency and ~30 forgotten items :)

350 on thf? either you are duo or i call bs. 260 is my best on bst solo in one run.

[Disifer]

I love the fact that these threads are daily. It's borderline game racism. I'm the one in dyna who see's someone with half health and if i have tp ill waltz them, which later on i get a waltz back and a respect is born from it. I don't take people's mobs unless they have 3+ with 0 pops in area, at which point the said bst made it his personal goal whenever i had 2 mobs total, he'd come over and swipe one with plenty in area, which doesn't bother me one bit. Then proceeded to tell me to fuck off, suck his dick, among other things. A GM was called and I didn't get a response from a GM until 8+ hours later.

Saying all bst are scum is like saying all puerto ricans don't have jobs, all asian people can fix things, all black people like grape soda and fried chicken, and whites have round eyes (don't make fun of whites, its not in the rules). Say what you will, they are stereotypes, just like bst is an outcast loner who makes it their sole mission to fuck up your day. You can feel better about saying those things, but at the end of the day, the smarter person thinks them and it's left unsaid. Not saying your wrong, i know i dont fit your bst description, but you'd look a lot smarter not saying it in the first place.

You don't call a guy who sits at home and collects a welfare check and deals drugs a n*gger to his face do you? Didn't think so.

[Aana]

350 on thf? either you are duo or i call bs. 260 is my best on bst solo in one run.

I never said anything about solo. I dual box Thf/dnc+Rdm/Dnc.

DC mobs: Proc>Requiscat>SA/TA Rudras>Darkness>Next mob :P (EP mobs i have to hold back damage/TP just to proc to much. DC mobs have enough HP that the proc>SC>Ded method has a nice rhythm to it.)

Grabbing mobs isnt a big deal. Plucking away at 5 mobs at a time when theres not enough to go around is asking for trouble, and chances are you will get it. When i can proc>kill a mob in 30-40 seconds and you have 3-4 as a solo bst (and theres none up) and take over a minute per (DC mobs i camp at), im going to take your yellow mobs and you can suck it.

[Disifer]

The trend i see is people going for DC mobs which bst cannot handle more than 1 at a time without spamming food like crazy. And dc mobs still drop currency over 50% of the time without being proc'd. let alone 3-4 almost always when proc'd. Would be smarter if you can get a static group of 2-3 and spam DC. you'll prob get more per person off dc than a bst would off ep after the TH nerf goes thru.

Dc mobs have a higher proc rate in general, doesn't have to do so much with their hp as i think SE made the higher lvl ones more desirable by a group.

[Calamity]

I still don't see why people talk like this is a bst specific thing. nins, thf's and dncs are just as bad about holding multiple mobs. I see it all the time. The only reason you seem to think bsts do it more is because there are more bsts in dynamis. This is part of the bandwagon effect. 90% of these bsts you complain about didn't exist until they found out how awesome bst is in dynamis. If anything, I feel like the real beastmasters are the bigger victims here. Not only do we have to deal with all the same bandwagon bsts you do, we also take an enormous ammount of shit because of them. So basically, don't blame the job, blame the players. In an alternate world (and who knows, maybe even after the TH nerf) all these bsts would be nins and dncs instead. And you know what? They'd act exactly the same as they do on bst.

[Fupafighter]

So you'd steal the yellow mobs from anyone, but only if they feel entitled to the yellow mob?

Here's the short of it: neither of you are entitled to that yellow mob. But if the freaking thing was pulled, procced, and half-killed by one guy, he's done more to deserve it than any random passerby. That still leaves mob ganker as a bigger jerk than guy who kills multiple enemies at the same time.
SO if a person is standing there watching a bst that has hit 4 bats over and over while the beastmaster procs them, we shouldn't be allowed to claim any of the FOUR monsters he has because his PET is hitting them? BS lol...BS.