More Populated/helpful server

[Rightchaus]

I currently play on Lakshmi server and to be honest it sucks. 80% of Jeuno shouts are people trolling. Hard to get help on missions because at this point people are too lazy to quest or don't want to help others out unless they're getting paid. Lately I have solo'd a lot of my content and I am starting to hit a wall. I think I was very fortunate with my lb10 quest, because I seen some people shout for weeks before they finally got help. I recently return to the game and there is a lot of content I have no experience with and I think I need to try another server. I have tried to find a LS, but all I end up with are Soical linkshells with no socializing. I am looking for a server where LS are relevant and people are still helping people just to help.

[Zinato]

I'll tell you right now you don't want to be anywhere near Asura. Thats -1 to your search options.

[Francisco]

I'll tell you right now you don't want to be anywhere near Asura. Thats -1 to your search options.


Shiva sucks as well.

[Savlyn]

Don't go to Carbuncle either. Shouts are dead slow in jeuno. On the off chance that you do find someone whose willing to do something, they're probably gimp.

On a plus side, Cerberus is as alive as ever. Not sure about the gimp/friendly factor, but I've always liked it the best. Shouts are frequent and diverse in jeuno. I see a LB10 every two days or so, tons of abyssea + VW. Only downside is a RMT who shouts for abyssea leeches every few hours, and a guy named SpaceDragon.

[Vasch]

Bismarck has lots of groups that are willing to take on new people just to go have fun.

[Runespider]

I am looking for a server where LS are relevant and people are still helping people just to help.

You don't need a server swap, you need a time machine. Seriously though you need to get into a decent linkshell, people are far more willing to help people in their shells than random people. People need to kinda like you to want to help you these days.

[saevel]

Lakshmi has become rather stale lately. It's busy during JP time but they shun English speaking players. If you can't speak Japanese then don't even bother with them.
Personally I blame it on the fact that there's almost nothing to do these days. Nyzule was a bomb and you can only do so many Voidwatch before your head explodes.

[wish12oz]

Odin is pretty dead too. I don't ever see much going on unless you can read JP, and there really only appears to be 1 decent LS. I would suggest not coming to Odin. It's almost bad enough that I want to leave, but the thought of paying to jump 7 or 8 accounts keeps me here.

[Zikon]

None of these servers are dead; your just incapable of patience. Take the time to seek out better linkshells make better friends. If your current friends are nice but not willing to help then you have pretty crappy friends.

Saying a server is dead is just going to bring more server merges that aren't needed. You don't need a new server you're just going to end up going somewhere where you know no one and no one knows you which leads to no one helping you out and you complaining that you went to another dead server.

Make BETTER FRIENDS or learn to solo.

[Greatguardian]

2012 is pretty far into the era of self-reliance. Damn near everything can be solo'd or, at worst, dou'd.

Advice #1: If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to.

Advice #2: If you want to make friends, do it for the right reasons. If you just want people to help with stuff, it'll become fairly obvious and no one will. If people offer to help? Cool. If they don't? No problem. Don't nag, don't guilt, don't pester.

Advice #3: Self-reliant people are far better at making friends. Everyone knows "Hey bro, can you lend me a fiver" Johnny. Whether he forgot his wallet at home, or doesn't get paid till Wednesday, Hey Bro Johnny is always asking for small favors and loans. No one likes Hey Bro Johnny. This same principle applies to FFXI. No one likes "Hey Bro, can you help me with this level 50 CoP NM that I am somehow incapable of solo'ing at level 99" Johnny.

Advice #4: Linkshells. Don't expect them to do work for you. Don't expect them to owe you anything for being a member. Don't expect anyone to give a damn about you just because you have a pearl. Life does not work that way. If you join a linkshell, join it because you enjoy the member's company and they enjoy yours. Your missions are your business, not the group's.

Advice #5: Never ask for help on something that you haven't already tried solo. In fact, never ask for help on things if you can avoid it. Weird advice, right? People like people who are willing to take the initiative and go solo something even if it's too hard. When you've died 3 or 4 times, and keep doing it anyways, people are more likely to offer their help on their own and feel good about it rather than feeling obligated or forced.

General Message: So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude. People never grow out of it, no matter how powerful their character is or how long they've played - They always need "Help". Help your damn self.

[Brolic]

I'll tell you right now you don't want to be anywhere near Asura. Thats -1 to your search options.

you're comparing this to where? Asura is pretty good when it comes to shouts, much better than most servers i've been on.

[Rightchaus]

2012 is pretty far into the era of self-reliance. Damn near everything can be solo'd or, at worst, dou'd.

Advice #1: If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to.

Advice #2: If you want to make friends, do it for the right reasons. If you just want people to help with stuff, it'll become fairly obvious and no one will. If people offer to help? Cool. If they don't? No problem. Don't nag, don't guilt, don't pester.

Advice #3: Self-reliant people are far better at making friends. Everyone knows "Hey bro, can you lend me a fiver" Johnny. Whether he forgot his wallet at home, or doesn't get paid till Wednesday, Hey Bro Johnny is always asking for small favors and loans. No one likes Hey Bro Johnny. This same principle applies to FFXI. No one likes "Hey Bro, can you help me with this level 50 CoP NM that I am somehow incapable of solo'ing at level 99" Johnny.

Advice #4: Linkshells. Don't expect them to do work for you. Don't expect them to owe you anything for being a member. Don't expect anyone to give a damn about you just because you have a pearl. Life does not work that way. If you join a linkshell, join it because you enjoy the member's company and they enjoy yours. Your missions are your business, not the group's.

Advice #5: Never ask for help on something that you haven't already tried solo. In fact, never ask for help on things if you can avoid it. Weird advice, right? People like people who are willing to take the initiative and go solo something even if it's too hard. When you've died 3 or 4 times, and keep doing it anyways, people are more likely to offer their help on their own and feel good about it rather than feeling obligated or forced.

General Message: So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude. People never grow out of it, no matter how powerful their character is or how long they've played - They always need "Help". Help your damn self.

You wasted your time trolling and typing this clutter of troll sauce. Nothing you said applies to me. If you want to lecture someone you should just get a kid. Your post wasn't helpful or informative. If I had someone to duo with, I wouldn't be debating a server change. Could you please post a video of yourself soloing Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. So, that I can better myself.

[Runespider]

You wasted your time trolling and typing this clutter of troll sauce. Nothing you said applies to me. If you want to lecture someone you should just get a kid. Your post wasn't helpful or informative. If I had someone to duo with, I wouldn't be debating a server change. Could you please post a video of yourself soloing Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. So, that I can better myself.

Get a linkshell (you may not like that answer but it's the only one that will get you what you want and it applies to pretty much every MMO there is), people aren't any different on any other server. You won't find a utopia of the FFXI servers where people are standing around waiting to help you for no other reason that to put a smile on your face.

inb4 trolling

[Aldersyde]

You wasted your time trolling and typing this clutter of troll sauce. Nothing you said applies to me. If you want to lecture someone you should just get a kid. Your post wasn't helpful or informative. If I had someone to duo with, I wouldn't be debating a server change. Could you please post a video of yourself soloing Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. So, that I can better myself.

I thought it was pretty solid advice. I've been in social shells and nothing is more annoying than a new member getting his pearl then proceeding to bombard everyone with requests for help. Or constantly complaining they can't get help and guilt-tripping everyone they come into contact with. I'm not adverse to helping people but I'm not gonna be swayed by guilt-tripping, woe-is-me whining and learned helplessness; at least try to be an enjoyable person, make wanting to help sound fun and not a chore.

Judging by your response to Greatguardian, you have a bit of chip on your shoulder. If you have problems getting people to help you, maybe you should look at yourself and your strategy for enlisting aid first. You are the common denominator in all those interactions. Honestly, if you are having that much trouble finding ONE person to duo with, I don't think changing servers is going to help you.

Oh, and the definition of trolling isn't when people respond to you with answers that you don't like.

[Luvbunny]

I don't think GreatGuardian was trolling, I think he stated an honest observation on how the state of the game today. And in general people do not like others who "always ask for help" when it's obvious where you can actually solo it. Or better, shout for it, chances are you are not the only person who needs the same things done. The game has become much solo friendly today, which is amazing. But on the other end of the spectrum, anyone has enough brain cells will realize that teaming up with others and play well with others benefits you in the long run. I never understand the mentality where you rather solo everything when you can help each other and reap the benefits faster better and greater. Case points - when you do GoV in low populated areas and see the same few people with alts who clearly could benefit from alliance for faster kill and faster exp (for their alts). Or those people who are popping NM for seals, a team of two low man party can cover more procs, kill faster, and maybe help each other if there are seals unclaimed that are going to go to waste anyway.

[Rightchaus]

Before GreatGuardian all the posts were positive post that actually were on topic. My OP was about getting insight about other servers. Not about what people who are not me have done. Not about what you feel I should do. I don't have a chip on my shoulder, but you guys are acting like a person shouldn't need help on this game. As I stated, if GreatGuardian would solo Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. Then, I would see his point about "If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to." Who is this collective "we" you speak about? "So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude."

[cidbahamut]

2012 is pretty far into the era of self-reliance. Damn near everything can be solo'd or, at worst, dou'd.

Advice #1: If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to.

Advice #2: If you want to make friends, do it for the right reasons. If you just want people to help with stuff, it'll become fairly obvious and no one will. If people offer to help? Cool. If they don't? No problem. Don't nag, don't guilt, don't pester.

Advice #3: Self-reliant people are far better at making friends. Everyone knows "Hey bro, can you lend me a fiver" Johnny. Whether he forgot his wallet at home, or doesn't get paid till Wednesday, Hey Bro Johnny is always asking for small favors and loans. No one likes Hey Bro Johnny. This same principle applies to FFXI. No one likes "Hey Bro, can you help me with this level 50 CoP NM that I am somehow incapable of solo'ing at level 99" Johnny.

Advice #4: Linkshells. Don't expect them to do work for you. Don't expect them to owe you anything for being a member. Don't expect anyone to give a damn about you just because you have a pearl. Life does not work that way. If you join a linkshell, join it because you enjoy the member's company and they enjoy yours. Your missions are your business, not the group's.

Advice #5: Never ask for help on something that you haven't already tried solo. In fact, never ask for help on things if you can avoid it. Weird advice, right? People like people who are willing to take the initiative and go solo something even if it's too hard. When you've died 3 or 4 times, and keep doing it anyways, people are more likely to offer their help on their own and feel good about it rather than feeling obligated or forced.

General Message: So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude. People never grow out of it, no matter how powerful their character is or how long they've played - They always need "Help". Help your damn self.

I think a lot of it just comes down to meeting the right people at the right time, and no amount of self-improvement can create that chance encounter that lands you an awesome linkshell.

Sometimes you need a hand, and when you don't have a network of friends to fall back on, you're out of luck. It's hard to make friends when you're spending all of your time soloing stuff. I've been there, I've gone through those motions for nearly two years on and off. At the end of it all it made me a decent not terrible player, but left me without a strong support network. I won't pretend it was all me being the victim of circumstance, since I'm quiet and not at all outgoing, but spending a lot of time not interacting with others and just not meeting folks who I hit it off with very often did more to shape my social experience than whether or not I was a mouth-breather that needed his hand held through every piece of content out there.

[Arcon]

You don't need a server swap, you need a time machine.

Leviathan is a time machine? Good to know for those nasty exams, I guess. And lottery numbers.

Come to Levi, we have cookies.

[Logandor]

Thing is even with trying the initial soloing shot of today's missions some people perfer to play the game as it used to be. A party isn't needed for everything but is fun none the less. If you want to do things as a group, even a small group, look up on ffxiah.com for people on the same mission as you. Leave them a note or heck see if they are online on your server and if they would like to team up to accomplish the same goal you are wanting to accomplish. You never know, you may just get invited into a more workable linkshell that suits you.
My advice, stay on your server, try looking that info up and in 2 months if it does not work out for you then move to a server that is more English friendly. Sounds like Levi is a nice server by the way.

[deces]

How many people are online when you do a search all on Lakshmi?

[Draylo]

You wasted your time trolling and typing this clutter of troll sauce. Nothing you said applies to me. If you want to lecture someone you should just get a kid. Your post wasn't helpful or informative. If I had someone to duo with, I wouldn't be debating a server change. Could you please post a video of yourself soloing Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. So, that I can better myself.

It's actually soloable by BLU atm.

[Deathbeckons]

lakshmi PJ troll reporting in!
having trouble with the social aspect of a social game?
bad story, bro.

[Greatguardian]

Before GreatGuardian all the posts were positive post that actually were on topic. My OP was about getting insight about other servers. Not about what people who are not me have done. Not about what you feel I should do. I don't have a chip on my shoulder, but you guys are acting like a person shouldn't need help on this game. As I stated, if GreatGuardian would solo Treasure of aht urhgan mission 44. Then, I would see his point about "If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to." Who is this collective "we" you speak about? "So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude."

My post was addressing the cause of your problem rather than the symptoms, and is far more relevant than any insight about particular server quirks. This same issue has been brought up countless times on these forums, particularly in the "newbie" sections, and the answer I gave you has always been the generally accepted correct answer when it comes to enlisting aid from others.

ToAU44 was, ironically, something I didn't even fight. A friend of mine threw my afk-monk against Alexander while I was doing homework, cast a couple cures from his character, and won. It's pretty darn soloable by BLU though, just ask Draylo. I'm sure I've even seen videos of him doing it.

Things I've solo'd before, though? Damn near everything short of AV/PW/JoL and new overworld stuff like Voidwatch/WoE. I solo'd all my elemental Avatar fights back in CoP, solo'd over 45 Jailer of Faiths at 75 cap, solo'd Despot and the like for money in 2007, solo'd damn near everything that was possible to solo and died trying against anything that wasn't. And you know what? Despite that, I have a huge friend network and know someone in damn near every Endgame linkshell on my server. My friends list is hundreds of people long. I have countless favors I can call in, and plenty of gil to my name.

So why do I solo so much crap? Why do I go out and solo my AF3 when I level a new job, rather than call in favors or ask friends to take time out of their day to help with it? And why, then, am I also able to go afk and do homework while a friend fights my ToAU missions for me? Why, then, am I also able to watch TV while a friend kills my Empyrean Pre-Trial NMs for me?

Simple: Because I follow my own advice. When my friends help me, it's because they want to help me. It's not because I ask for help, or bug them, or make them feel bad for not helping. I help them because I want to, and in turn they help me because they want to. I don't expect it, and I'm grateful for it every time. If I helped someone all day and never got anything in return I'd be fine with that. It happens sometimes, surely. Hell, it happens often. But the important thing is that I don't mind. I don't pressure people. If I'm friends with someone, I'm friends with them regardless of what shit we kill or whose items we snag in an online vidya game.

Edit: And yes, I'm not even joking. A good friend of mine went out and killed near all of my Armageddon pre-trial NMs while I was afk, including Bugbear Strongman and all of the VNMs. I won't pretend that my situation is average or even close to it. I have some bloody amazing friends and I'm damn lucky for it. But you know what? I probably wouldn't have them if I was any different than how I am.

[Rohelius]

My post was addressing the cause of your problem rather than the symptoms, and is far more relevant than any insight about particular server quirks. This same issue has been brought up countless times on these forums, particularly in the "newbie" sections, and the answer I gave you has always been the generally accepted correct answer when it comes to enlisting aid from others.

ToAU44 was, ironically, something I didn't even fight. A friend of mine threw my afk-monk against Alexander while I was doing homework, cast a couple cures from his character, and won. It's pretty darn soloable by BLU though, just ask Draylo. I'm sure I've even seen videos of him doing it.

Things I've solo'd before, though? Damn near everything short of AV/PW/JoL and new overworld stuff like Voidwatch/WoE. I solo'd all my elemental Avatar fights back in CoP, solo'd over 45 Jailer of Faiths at 75 cap, solo'd Despot and the like for money in 2007, solo'd damn near everything that was possible to solo and died trying against anything that wasn't. And you know what? Despite that, I have a huge friend network and know someone in damn near every Endgame linkshell on my server. My friends list is hundreds of people long. I have countless favors I can call in, and plenty of gil to my name.

So why do I solo so much crap? Why do I go out and solo my AF3 when I level a new job, rather than call in favors or ask friends to take time out of their day to help with it? And why, then, am I also able to go afk and do homework while a friend fights my ToAU missions for me? Why, then, am I also able to watch TV while a friend kills my Empyrean Pre-Trial NMs for me?

Simple: Because I follow my own advice. When my friends help me, it's because they want to help me. It's not because I ask for help, or bug them, or make them feel bad for not helping. I help them because I want to, and in turn they help me because they want to. I don't expect it, and I'm grateful for it every time. If I helped someone all day and never got anything in return I'd be fine with that. It happens sometimes, surely. Hell, it happens often. But the important thing is that I don't mind. I don't pressure people. If I'm friends with someone, I'm friends with them regardless of what shit we kill or whose items we snag in an online vidya game.

Edit: And yes, I'm not even joking. A good friend of mine went out and killed near all of my Armageddon pre-trial NMs while I was afk, including Bugbear Strongman and all of the VNMs. I won't pretend that my situation is average or even close to it. I have some bloody amazing friends and I'm damn lucky for it. But you know what? I probably wouldn't have them if I was any different than how I am.

Translation: I'm like so happy in my LS and server because like everyone knows me and i'm so popular and i can solo a ton of junk. What? Your like not happy...? That's like sooo weird you must be like some kind of reject and a bad person.

Now that that's out of the way...

Phoenix is a pretty cool place and well rounded in all those parts. The economy is not bad either.
the playerbase is very active and is always looking for stuff to do.
If your a good player there's a good LS for you.

[Greatguardian]

Translation: I'm like so happy in my LS and server because like everyone knows me and i'm so popular and i can solo a ton of junk. What? Your like not happy...? That's like sooo weird you must be like some kind of reject and a bad person.

Now that that's out of the way...

Phoenix is a pretty cool place and well rounded in all those parts. The economy is not bad either.
the playerbase is very active and is always looking for stuff to do.
If your a good player there's a good LS for you.

u jelly, bro?

On a serious note, it's almost as if you didn't read either of my posts in this thread at all.

How bout that.

My situation is far from normal, but you know what? It's a hell of a lot harder to make real friends who actually want to help you with things when you've got an attitude/worldview like the OP's.

You want the right attitude? It's not "I can't". It's "I Haven't". You waste energy by complaining about things you don't have, energy that you should be using towards getting those things. It's not always easy, and it's not always quick, but I'll be damned if it's not something people can respect.

I have absolutely no regard for anyone who walks into a shell and asks for help on everything. I have all the regard in the world for the man who sits his ass down and grinds until he has what he wants. That's the man I'll go out of my way to help. And frankly, I'm the kind of person the OP should want help from. I'm the kind of person with resources. The kind of random help I give my friends is of the "Hook up with 30M for a relic loan" variety.

[Rohelius]

Well the guy did say hes a returning player. Did YOU read that? maybe his friends are gone, and this new endgame LS unfriendly time is what hes having trouble adjusting to? but no, it cant be that right? lets pick at the bros personality and tell him hes a noob for not leveling one specific job to solo one specific mission in one BCNM.....

PS: i dont think your ready for this Jelly. :P


PS: Oh my god i just finished reading your post after i finished my reply.....

I can picture you saying that shit all the time.."I loan 30m to friends for relics" and idiots flocking to your ass because your so um.. "Cool" and "Awesome" lol....

[Greatguardian]

Well the guy did say hes a returning player. Did YOU read that? maybe his friends are gone, and this new endgame LS unfriendly time is what hes having trouble adjusting to? but no, it cant be that right? lets pick at the bros personality and tell him hes a noob for not leveling one specific job to solo one specific mission in one BCNM.....

PS: i dont think your ready for this Jelly. :P

Did you not catch the fact that my advice was geared towards making new friends? Or are you just being dense?

Nothing he's asked about has been something Endgame linkshells did in the first place.

[Zinato]

All Greatguardian is saying is the attitude is partially responsible for his success. His words are rather wise too, the point is the players outlook will greatly affect how they get help. I'm nowhere near in the position he is but, I try to keep a similar attitude and I've gotten by just fine. The people who are most likely to help you are friends, therefore how you make and maintain friends is important. As a slight sidenote, people do pay attention to players reputations too so don't think doing everything via shout will make attitude less important. Finally, nothing I've said is directed at the OP or any specific posters, more a statement on general advice for playing FFXI.

[Rohelius]

Here's some advice for new friends guy!!

#1 Make lot of gil.
#2 Loan to random people.
#3 Say you loan Gil to people.
yup i'm such an awesome person for sharing my genius.

[Rohelius]

Did you not catch the fact that my advice was geared towards making new friends? Or are you just being dense?

Nothing he's asked about has been something Endgame linkshells did in the first place.
Oh and just as a side note~
While endgame LS's never did missions, they do however have forums which their members use to plan events that aren't necessarily endgame related. The fact that the members knew the skill of the players in the forums was the charm of it all.

[Greatguardian]

Here's some advice for new friends guy!!

#1 Make lot of gil.
#2 Loan to random people.
#3 Say you loan Gil to people.
yup i'm such an awesome person for sharing my genius.

The sad part is it's hard to ignore such an obvious trollolololol because of the worry that some new, low-post returning player might read your posts and actually take you seriously.

[Zinato]

Well the guy did say hes a returning player. Did YOU read that? maybe his friends are gone, and this new endgame LS unfriendly time is what hes having trouble adjusting to? but no, it cant be that right? lets pick at the bros personality and tell him hes a noob for not leveling one specific job to solo one specific mission in one BCNM.....



You know that sounds a lot like me. Lost the shell and everyone in it from the 3rd day I played up until October 2010, leader never even said good-bye. Joined several abyssea ls's almost all that broke after leader got empyrean 85. Then I found an LS doing abyssea where I made the few friends I have now. However, that LS broke too and the leader went missing Dec of 2011. Yet, I have never once had trouble obtaining any goal I may have set. I don't beg for help, and in many cases don't ask either. I do currently have a social LS however, that is strictly for chatting purposes I don't go on runs with them nor do I ask for help from them. The only roadblock I've ever faced is relic 99 only because it's not pick-up friendly but even that I'm sure I'll eventually find a method for. My point in all of this? You don't have to have a large network like Greatguardian to get things done. This is on Asura too land of trolls and elitists so shouting isn't always an easy task. What I do believe you need is the attitude and will to find methods to accomplish goals and waiting until someone comes to you is the long way about it. In otherwords, I'm agreeing with Greatguardian.

[Rohelius]

2012 is pretty far into the era of self-reliance. Damn near everything can be solo'd or, at worst, dou'd.

Advice #1: If you can't solo something, improve yourself until you are able to.

So you assume the guy needs improvement and the yet unknown "Wall" is himself...


Advice #2: If you want to make friends, do it for the right reasons. If you just want people to help with stuff, it'll become fairly obvious and no one will. If people offer to help? Cool. If they don't? No problem. Don't nag, don't guilt, don't pester.
So now you attack his reasons and claim that he only wants a new LS and new friends to Nag, guilt and pester?


Advice #3: Self-reliant people are far better at making friends. Everyone knows "Hey bro, can you lend me a fiver" Johnny. Whether he forgot his wallet at home, or doesn't get paid till Wednesday, Hey Bro Johnny is always asking for small favors and loans. No one likes Hey Bro Johnny. This same principle applies to FFXI. No one likes "Hey Bro, can you help me with this level 50 CoP NM that I am somehow incapable of solo'ing at level 99" Johnny.

Now you compare him to a beggar "Hey Bro Johnny" and practically say he cant solo a lvl 50 bcnm at 99.


Advice #4: Linkshells. Don't expect them to do work for you. Don't expect them to owe you anything for being a member. Don't expect anyone to give a damn about you just because you have a pearl. Life does not work that way. If you join a linkshell, join it because you enjoy the member's company and they enjoy yours. Your missions are your business, not the group's.

now you tell him LS's are for friends only and not missions/quests/help. Not true and there are several tabs in the LS community to prove it.


Advice #5: Never ask for help on something that you haven't already tried solo. In fact, never ask for help on things if you can avoid it. Weird advice, right? People like people who are willing to take the initiative and go solo something even if it's too hard. When you've died 3 or 4 times, and keep doing it anyways, people are more likely to offer their help on their own and feel good about it rather than feeling obligated or forced.

Now you tell him to not ask for help in a MMO game... then to Kamikaze himself onto a monster 3-4 times until people feel sorry for him and help him...


General Message: So long as your attitude is one where you feel that you need people's help, you will not get it. We don't like that attitude. People never grow out of it, no matter how powerful their character is or how long they've played - They always need "Help". Help your damn self.

Now after all your "Tips" you expect him to say thank you right?....

I wish i felt sorry but i don't. And you thinking I'm trolling makes no difference to me.

The guy asked a question and everyone answered until you posted some self righteous BS with a "Help your damn Self" answer.

[Kokorololi]

+1 for Greatguardian.

That is all.

[Greatguardian]

I didn't need to make many "assumptions", all I had to do was read the OP.

Let's review:


I currently play on Lakshmi server and to be honest it sucks.

Ruh roh, Rooby. This is never a good sign. Contrary to popular belief, the particular differences between servers are actually fairly small in the general sense. If he thinks one server sucks, chances are it won't be much different anywhere else. But we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see why Lakshmi apparently sucks.


80% of Jeuno shouts are people trolling. Hard to get help on missions because at this point people are too lazy to quest or don't want to help others out unless they're getting paid.

Bad sign #2: Blaming others. It's not his fault, you see. It's just that 80% of Jeuno is a bunch of trolls and everyone's too selfish and lazy to help with anything without being paid. Let's move on and see if it gets any better.


Lately I have solo'd a lot of my content and I am starting to hit a wall. I think I was very fortunate with my lb10 quest, because I seen some people shout for weeks before they finally got help. I recently return to the game and there is a lot of content I have no experience with and I think I need to try another server. I have tried to find a LS, but all I end up with are Soical linkshells with no socializing. I am looking for a server where LS are relevant and people are still helping people just to help.

No, not really. "Social Linkshells with no socializing"? Unless people just sorta sit in the linkshell and never talk to one another, I'm sure there's some sort of socializing going on. What can be inferred from this, however, is that there's no "helping" going on or communal activities. Of course, that begs the question, which activities would a social shell do? And why would they do them?

We'll get back to that, though. First I want to move on just a bit to the last line. "I am looking for a server where LS are relevant and people still help for the sake of helping". That's an interesting line, really. Look at it for a moment. Read into it a bit. What does it mean, to help for the sake of helping? At first glance, you'd think he's talking about what friends do for each other. But it doesn't seem like he's looking for friends. He's looking for a linkshell that helps members for the sake of helping.

Beyond that, what does it mean, specifically, to "Help for the sake of helping"? I can understand a giver using this phrase, but a receiver of aid? Used in that context, it implies that he wants to receive aid with no intention of giving back in return. In fact, he feels so strongly about not giving back, that he called everyone on his current server lazy and selfish for wanting some form of repayment for time spent. Now, note that this doesn't necessarily have to be in gil. You simply find gil is the easiest way to ensure equitable compensation among strangers.

Those are pretty damning word choices, and his attitude is conveyed as exceptionally poor in every single one of his posts. Instead of admitting any fault, he insists that others are to blame (Be it Lakshmi's population, or me in this thread). No. If you think an entire server is rotten, then it's probably just you.

The most reliable way to get help on the things you need help with is, has been, and always will be to simply help others and let karma and your reputation do the work for you.

[Rohelius]

Well my ps3 finished updating so my work is done here....

You just keep doing those deep psychological analysis of peoples short paragraphs and tell yourself your awesome!

[Arcon]

I didn't need to make many "assumptions", all I had to do was read the OP.

While I agree with pretty much everything you said in general and it's the same advise I'd give other people as well, you do seem to assume a few things about the OP, and maybe read a little too much into his words, particularly the last line. I don't think there's much more psychological context to writing "help for the sake of helping" then him wanting to find a catchy way of saying there's people who actually don't mind trying to support him when he needs it. He did say he was soloing a lot of content and is hitting a brick wall right now, so I don't think it's for a lack of trying. Sure, I guess he could level BLU, farm weeks to get the necessary spells, gear it up first with pickup Abyssea parties, possibly solo some Dynamis or NMs for some additional drops then try to solo it a few times before dying because he lacks years of experience then still not getting help because there's no active social LS he could find (which is all (I think) he was saying with the line about "not socializing", btw).

There's several degrees to that, some players lack the initiative, the competence or the patience for what you have described. And those people would simply not fit your pattern and they'd never get there on their own. That's what social LS are for and that's what I do, one way to fix those personal drawbacks is to approach people and show them how it's done. The difference in our approaches is that you want them to all find it out on their own, when my approach is to show them. I've met many people who were in a similar position, who were discouraged by not getting help for stuff you'd suggest them to do on their own or die trying. While that would work on certain kinds of people, those are not everyone. I just help them because I'm bored usually and I try to make the best of it, that's why often I tell them to stand back and watch. And it helps. That's how I showed several Aurore-noobs how to do Abyssea properly (same reason why I often joined those 12+ people shouts for Kutharei with me and a mule and duod it) and it works, those people are more likely to try something like this on their own. And if they ask me how I did it and why it looked so easy, even better, then I got a chance to explain what it was about.

The things you're saying are definitely not wrong, but they don't work on all kinds of people. I'm not even talking much about the OP right now, I'm just saying not everyone fits the description of the person you're suggesting them to be. I know not everyone is as bored as me to do this kinda stuff, but it works and it to do it once every few days doesn't take much out of anyone's time and it gives people a vision of what they should strive for. Sure, occasionally it leads to someone spamming you for help, but as long as you make no promises or don't pretend you're some kind of Vana'diel Jesus, it's not hard to tell them that you have no time to babysit them.

[Rezeak]

If you don't like someone opinion then ignore them /facepalm. Just calling someone a troll when it's apperant he isn't he's just giving general advice.

As for my opion on your sitituation it sound like you just came back and found stuff has changed alot and you don't like it.. imo i'd say give it time

As for not getting help with stuff either make better friends or just lvl bst farm 1 day in Dyna and just ToAU 44 (can i have it?) 200k Reward Each if won.

[Zinato]

You know people get paid lots of money to do what Greatguardian did with that paragraph. (though that doesn't mean I agree but that's a sidenote) And don't bother saying this is a game. A person wrote the words and regardless of what they speak about, the principles of analysis are the same.

Now, I sorta feel bad that the OPs question was taken so far off topic. (Admittedly my posts were not in response to his but rather to Greatguardians) To get back to the topic, like I said in my first post Asura isn't a grand place to go. Many of the shouts for missions/quests in jeuno is met with Troll comments and Elitists poking fun at the player. If you can tolerate that then I suppose Asura is the most populated, and that may help suit your needs. Unfortuneatly a lot of the big names for Voidwatch and Abyssea are often rather rude. Also keep in mind a large populace is a two sided coin, more players means more likely someone wants the same thing as you but, it also means more competition for certain things such as Dynamis and certain spawns.

[cidbahamut]

No, not really. "Social Linkshells with no socializing"? Unless people just sorta sit in the linkshell and never talk to one another, I'm sure there's some sort of socializing going on.

Have you never had the misfortune of trying to find a good shell and drifting through shells that do exactly that? I've wandered through plenty of shells where the entirety of the socializing consisted of members greeting each other as they logged in or saying goodnight as they logged off and not saying anything else over the course of the night. Finding a good linkshell is not easy.

Come on GG, I know you're smarter than this. All your advice so far is good advice, but it all hinges on him already having a solid social network, which can easily have decayed into nothing if you've been away from the game for a while(which it sounds like is the situation the OP is in).

OP clearly needs the boot in the keister you're giving him, but said boot only addresses part of the problem.

[Rightchaus]

My post was addressing the cause of your problem rather than the symptoms, and is far more relevant than any insight about particular server quirks. This same issue has been brought up countless times on these forums, particularly in the "newbie" sections, and the answer I gave you has always been the generally accepted correct answer when it comes to enlisting aid from others.

ToAU44 was, ironically, something I didn't even fight. A friend of mine threw my afk-monk against Alexander while I was doing homework, cast a couple cures from his character, and won. It's pretty darn soloable by BLU though, just ask Draylo. I'm sure I've even seen videos of him doing it.

Things I've solo'd before, though? Damn near everything short of AV/PW/JoL and new overworld stuff like Voidwatch/WoE. I solo'd all my elemental Avatar fights back in CoP, solo'd over 45 Jailer of Faiths at 75 cap, solo'd Despot and the like for money in 2007, solo'd damn near everything that was possible to solo and died trying against anything that wasn't. And you know what? Despite that, I have a huge friend network and know someone in damn near every Endgame linkshell on my server. My friends list is hundreds of people long. I have countless favors I can call in, and plenty of gil to my name.

So why do I solo so much crap? Why do I go out and solo my AF3 when I level a new job, rather than call in favors or ask friends to take time out of their day to help with it? And why, then, am I also able to go afk and do homework while a friend fights my ToAU missions for me? Why, then, am I also able to watch TV while a friend kills my Empyrean Pre-Trial NMs for me?

Simple: Because I follow my own advice. When my friends help me, it's because they want to help me. It's not because I ask for help, or bug them, or make them feel bad for not helping. I help them because I want to, and in turn they help me because they want to. I don't expect it, and I'm grateful for it every time. If I helped someone all day and never got anything in return I'd be fine with that. It happens sometimes, surely. Hell, it happens often. But the important thing is that I don't mind. I don't pressure people. If I'm friends with someone, I'm friends with them regardless of what shit we kill or whose items we snag in an online vidya game.

Edit: And yes, I'm not even joking. A good friend of mine went out and killed near all of my Armageddon pre-trial NMs while I was afk, including Bugbear Strongman and all of the VNMs. I won't pretend that my situation is average or even close to it. I have some bloody amazing friends and I'm damn lucky for it. But you know what? I probably wouldn't have them if I was any different than how I am.
This is no longer 2007 or pre-aby era where you spend weeks in dunes with the same people or creating statics to level on the weekends with people building friendships. Not ever situation is the same, so you copying and pasting a reply you gave someone else doesn't work. You assume I have a bad attitude, when simply the case is that you're not answering any of the questions I posted. You're just telling me what you think I need to hear. If I wanted to play solo all the time I would play an RPG not a mmorpg. Anything I can solo I do, but when I am having a hard time I seek help. That's nice that people hand you stuff, because "you go hard" when you solo. The fact you're telling me I should solo something you have no experience with because your friends did it for you while you were afk doesn't make sense. Nothing has ever been handed to me and that's not what I want. I am not paying every month so someone else can play my game for me. You're a troll and I don't care how many of your friends comes to this thread and gives you thumbs ups. I just want feedback about other servers, not about how awesome you are or how you "Go mad hard" when you solo. Clearly I don't want your "help" and that's where you step away from the situation. All your friends are claiming you're giving great advice and if that's the case then it's my loss for not listening to it. So, on that note just stop derailing the thread.

[Sealdorie]

Ragnarok isn't a bad place to be. I've met generally nice people. I know at least one LS other than my own that is social, and is used for actually you know... socializing, helping etc.

We have a forum set up, where if used correctly help can be arranged if it is more than just a "pick up and go" type thing. When someone logs in and says "hey guys what about that ToAU Mission 44, here's a wiki link, what you need, and the times I'll be online~" If others are able to help you they typically will given schedules mesh.

GreatGuardian's advice isn't off the mark, but it seems you understand the concepts he mentioned well enough. I've seen all sorts of people like the type he mentioned in his post, and a lot like the way you describe yourself.

One of the things about the new way ffxi is played is that it is so solo friendly that there are many times when people are already off soloing their own things, and can't jump "right now" as many players want to log in and get help right then and there. I honestly feel guilty when a fellow LS-mate logs in and needs help when I'm already committed to something else, and everyone else is off doing their own things as well.

[Greatguardian]

Have you never had the misfortune of trying to find a good shell and drifting through shells that do exactly that? I've wandered through plenty of shells where the entirety of the socializing consisted of members greeting each other as they logged in or saying goodnight as they logged off and not saying anything else over the course of the night. Finding a good linkshell is not easy.

Come on GG, I know you're smarter than this. All your advice so far is good advice, but it all hinges on him already having a solid social network, which can easily have decayed into nothing if you've been away from the game for a while(which it sounds like is the situation the OP is in).

OP clearly needs the boot in the keister you're giving him, but said boot only addresses part of the problem.

To be perfectly honest, I can't really say that I have. More often than not, when I join random social shells, I find that people talk way too much for my comfort rather than the opposite. Hell, I'm constantly having to delete notifications from the FFXI: Cerberus facebook page because people treat it like a social shell and chat on it 24/7.

I know I'm lucky to many degrees, but sometimes it seems like we're talking about completely different games. Even in FFXIV (before it cost money), which is notoriously dead compared to XI, I found a social shell that was far more active than I was and had a good time despite having 0 pre-existing social connections on that game/server.

There are also forums, which you can use to socialize with people and get to know them despite never playing with them at all. In my opinion, these are probably the easiest venues for making friends in general, as you're not restricted by linkshell/server/playtime and you are generally posting on forums where people's interests are similar to yours.

If the OP wants me to stay "on topic", though, maybe Cerberus is just the best server in the world. OP is welcome to give it a try - just don't look me up.

[Luvbunny]

Why don't you move to Bahamut? It's a nice server with huge population. I met so many helpful nice players along the way and TONS of friendly LS. Not to mention random japanese players who are more than willing to help me finishing some of these hard missions. Actually most of my missions when I can't solo, I end up with random pick up group and get things done together this way. Not to mention countless campaign battle where I met many random players, doing magian trials weapon, teaming up with others in Zeruhm Mines doing GoV, and teaming up doing seals (and end up finishing it faster than if i was to solo).

But just as Greatguradian mentioned previously, you won't find many people who will just help for the sake of helping because they are bored to death with nothing else to do. Some will do this, randomly, mostly to other people in their LS. The trick is to find others who are doing similar thing that you want to do and that they will greatly benefit by teaming up rather than soloing. Usually there are so many of these players, and they will be more than happy to team up with you and get things done faster and safer.

[Lynxis]

I'd toss a vote in for Bismarck because it is still reasonably populated and people are willing to help each other but almost everyone has been playing since before the first server merge and as a result, reputation is everything there. New people have a very rough start there.

Case in point, my linkshell recently rejected some new members because only 2 established members of the shell could vouch for them. Hell, I was only let in because I was in the dyna shell first. I know most shells aren't as picky about letting new members in but I also know of plenty that are worse.

If you do get into a decent sized, well established shell, be prepared to spend a long time just helping people out and getting nothing in return. I spent about 6 months just joining events and helping people before I was able to seriously start work on my Empyrean weapon but when I finally got it, it was well worth it.

[Ciecle]

i'd say you're better off quitting now while you're behind. If you don't like how some people act, it's normally not their actions that need to be changed it's your own. and while we're at it, it really makes it hard to give you a solid answer on which server would be best for you and your situation when all you see is 'Stay on topic or Gtfo.' makes me kind of go 'we really don't need more of these kind of people on this server...' personally.

Instead of saying 'gtfo or stay on topic' you really should be taking to heart what people say if you really want a change.

Golden rule > all etc >.>

[Xx51LLYR4BB1TxX]

I currently play on Lakshmi server and to be honest it sucks. 80% of Jeuno shouts are people trolling. Hard to get help on missions because at this point people are too lazy to quest or don't want to help others out unless they're getting paid. Lately I have solo'd a lot of my content and I am starting to hit a wall. I think I was very fortunate with my lb10 quest, because I seen some people shout for weeks before they finally got help. I recently return to the game and there is a lot of content I have no experience with and I think I need to try another server. I have tried to find a LS, but all I end up with are Soical linkshells with no socializing. I am looking for a server where LS are relevant and people are still helping people just to help.

I know how you feel man ive been playing the game again for a week after a very long break and making friends now is kinda dull. All i can say is keep trying man or if you happen to swiitch servers and it happens to be on asura ill help you out from time to time when ever you on.