AF3 +2 5/5 set

[Rampage]

Has anyone figured out what the proc rate is for the 5/5 set is? There was allot of speculation if the 5/5 would give an added boost over just adding a single piece of equipment. The only info i have found where it seems someone has actually tested it is with the 3/5 where the proc rate seems to be 1 - 2%

[Taint2]

Has anyone figured out what the proc rate is for the 5/5 set is? There was allot of speculation if the 5/5 would give an added boost over just adding a single piece of equipment. The only info i have found where it seems someone has actually tested it is with the 3/5 where the proc rate seems to be 1 - 2%



5% it is crap.

[Zeroe]

Absolute garbage. Stick to haste cap, and use your remaining af3 for WS Swaps if need be.

[Saiken253]

however, if you have an apoc using the entire set with a haste belt(preferably goading) will keep you at cap and you get a nice free damage boost(yes not that much, but it happens more frequently than you'd expect, at least it does for me)

[Taint2]

however, if you have an apoc using the entire set with a haste belt(preferably goading) will keep you at cap and you get a nice free damage boost(yes not that much, but it happens more frequently than you'd expect, at least it does for me)


/facepalm

Come on man that is terrible advice. AF3+2 5/5 is never worth it, esp not with an Apoc. I feel like I'm always responding to your post in a negative manner, but you continue to post information that is not even close to the truth and might steer people with serious questions in the wrong direction.


5/5 is an 8-9% loss in DPS compared to all the other options and that includes the set bonus. If ACC comes into play like in VW its a 13%+ drop in DPS.

Don't use 5/5 ever, unless you want a pretty SS.

[Zorander]

however, if you have an apoc using the entire set with a haste belt(preferably goading) will keep you at cap and you get a nice free damage boost(yes not that much, but it happens more frequently than you'd expect, at least it does for me)
This statement is bad advice please ignore.

[Rampage]

Would any of you use Grim +1 over twilight for Resolution on tier III jeuno mobs or new content where we arent so hard up for acc as an example or do you think its just too much hastle to have more than one set for resolution?

[SNK]

however, if you have an apoc using the entire set with a haste belt(preferably goading) will keep you at cap and you get a nice free damage boost(yes not that much, but it happens more frequently than you'd expect, at least it does for me)

This is really not good advice.

[Taint2]

Would any of you use Grim +1 over twilight for Resolution on tier III jeuno mobs or new content where we arent so hard up for acc as an example or do you think its just too much hastle to have more than one set for resolution?


2 sets or more are smart to have.

I have 4 different macro sets for DRK all on the same book so I can cycle between them on the fly if needed.

[Saiken253]

@taint I only use full af3+2 when i have the Catastrophe aftermath up(because it's 10% GEAR haste) which means the haste you're getting from your legs and feet are useless, and i only use cata to heal myself if i need it, otherwise I do use a full haste set. i don't see how you think this is bad, just do normal WSs(entropy/guillotine) until you need to heal yourself and the WHms aren't focusing on you(which for me is a llot, and I also like to not be a burden on them) so that extra 10% haste that I'm getting I don't want to go to waste. So just for extra damage I have an aftermath set.

I hope people actually think these things through lol... I shouldn't have to explain these concepts. I didn't say Always and Forever fulltime af3+2 set, but seeing as i said Apoc you probably sometimes use Catastrophe, which means youre getting free 10% haste at least some of the time, and you really should take advantage of that.

and my faith in humanity slips even further, I thank you.

[Neisan_Quetz]

@taint I only use full af3+2 when i have the Catastrophe aftermath up(because it's 10% GEAR haste) which means the haste you're getting from your legs and feet are useless, and i only use cata to heal myself if i need it, otherwise I do use a full haste set. i don't see how you think this is bad, just do normal WSs(entropy/guillotine) until you need to heal yourself and the WHms aren't focusing on you(which for me is a llot, and I also like to not be a burden on them) so that extra 10% haste that I'm getting I don't want to go to waste. So just for extra damage I have an aftermath set.

I hope people actually think these things through lol... I shouldn't have to explain these concepts. I didn't say Always and Forever fulltime af3+2 set, but seeing as i said Apoc you probably sometimes use Catastrophe, which means youre getting free 10% haste at least some of the time, and you really should take advantage of that.

and my faith in humanity slips even further, I thank you.


/facepalm

Come on man that is terrible advice. AF3+2 5/5 is never worth it, esp not with an Apoc. I feel like I'm always responding to your post in a negative manner, but you continue to post information that is not even close to the truth and might steer people with serious questions in the wrong direction.


5/5 is an 8-9% loss in DPS compared to all the other options and that includes the set bonus. If ACC comes into play like in VW its a 13%+ drop in DPS.

Don't use 5/5 ever, unless you want a pretty SS.

Please read this post again.

[Saiken253]

w/e, people obviously don't like experimenting. On-paper and in-application rarely coincide because there are many factors that you can't actually keep track of in an accurate manner. I'll keep schooling ukko wars and masa/shoha sams and you all can keep doing what you're doing.

[Taint2]

w/e, people obviously don't like experimenting. On-paper and in-application rarely coincide because there are many factors that you can't actually keep track of in an accurate manner. I'll keep schooling ukko wars and masa/shoha sams and you all can keep doing what you're doing.


The problem is it was "experimented" back when AF3+2 was new and was proven to be not a good setup. If you are "schooling" Ukko WARs and SAMs then they are as off base as you are when it comes to gearing.

5/5 DRK is not good, not in practice or on paper, please stop acting like it is. Esp an Apoc user should know better, stuff like this is why DRKs get a bad rep.




@taint
I hope people actually think these things through lol... I shouldn't have to explain these concepts. I didn't say Always and Forever fulltime af3+2 set, but seeing as i said Apoc you probably sometimes use Catastrophe, which means youre getting free 10% haste at least some of the time, and you really should take advantage of that.

and my faith in humanity slips even further, I thank you.


I was one of the first people on all servers to have Apoc, do you really think I don't understand what an AM set is?

Here is my 5hit TP
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/225765

5hit WS
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/237510

[Saiken253]

well it seems to be working for me seeing as i do between 30~40%(30 being when something goes really bad or when i have to be more reserved or not getting enough chained staggers) of any VWNMs HP on parses, so i must be doing something right.

Also, the wars/sams are actually very well-geared and know how to do their job very effectively.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you're doing 40% of the damage on your own on any T3-T6 I can tell you right now there's a host of people in your pt not doinitright.

[Saiken253]

or maybe i'm doing something right/am lucky, it is still quite possible lol. anyways i'm done with this thread it's full of hateful replies that's not contributing to drk.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Single drk, doing 1/3 to almost half the damage the damage of 18 people yeaaaa no, the other people in your group are doinithorriblyrong.

[Rezeak]

well it seems to be working for me seeing as i do between 30~40%(30 being when something goes really bad or when i have to be more reserved or not getting enough chained staggers) of any VWNMs HP on parses, so i must be doing something right.

Just saying this is off topic since it's not the af3+2 5/5 thats making you do 40% (tho if ya do that much somthing is MAJORLY worng with your other DDs)

either way ignore acc and tp builds for sec (we are talking in VW and /w relic (+35 acc))

ANY gear that has 1% Double attack or more will trump the Af 5/5 effect

Quick examples
Jingang Greaves 2% Double attack
Calmecac Trousers 2% double 2% triple attack
Avant Gauntlets +1 2% double attack (prolly would still use bale hands here)
Avant Mail +1 3% double attack.

As for on paper bs it's more common sense...

If you can't see how 1% chance to deal double damage and give double tp(double attack) is better than 1% chance to give double dmg(af3 set) then you lack common sense.

quick summary

When Store tp matters
Store tp > Af procs

When acc mattars
Acc > Af procs

When acc, store tp and haste don't matter
DA > Af procs

in conclusion AF procs SUX outside nice SS numbers haha.

[Taint2]

Just saying this is off topic since it's not the af3+2 5/5 thats making you do 40% (tho if ya do that much somthing is MAJORLY worng with your other DDs)

either way ignore acc and tp builds for sec (we are talking in VW and /w relic (+35 acc))

ANY gear that has 1% Double attack or more will trump the Af 5/5 effect

Quick examples
Jingang Greaves 2% Double attack
Calmecac Trousers 2% double 2% triple attack
Avant Gauntlets +1 2% double attack (prolly would still use bale hands here)
Avant Mail +1 3% double attack.

As for on paper bs it's more common sense...

If you can't see how 1% chance to deal double damage and give double tp(double attack) is better than 1% chance to give double dmg(af3 set) then you lack common sense.

quick summary

When Store tp matters
Store tp > Af procs

When acc mattars
Acc > Af procs

When acc, store tp and haste don't matter
DA > Af procs

in conclusion AF procs SUX outside nice SS numbers haha.


^

This x100, game isn't hard. 5/5AF3+2 is complete gimp fail.

/endthread

[Semco]

Taint, thank you for posting your 5 hit builds. For those of us new to Apoc and dont have Hauberk, can you help us out by sharing what is the second best body piece. Gonna work on gettin Hauberk but need a suitable replacement for the time being.

[SpankWustler]

Taint, thank you for posting your 5 hit builds. For those of us new to Apoc and dont have Hauberk, can you help us out by sharing what is the second best body piece. Gonna work on gettin Hauberk but need a suitable replacement for the time being.

If you absolutely need Store TP on your body piece rather than making an entirely different set or depending on spaghetti, the only other option seems to rocking it old-school in an Askar or Aurum body.

Hopefully there's an option I've forgotten about, because none of the things I just mentioned sound awesome.

[Calamity]

It is possible to achieve the 5 hit without haste in the body. Had to look into it as a temporary measure until Nid stops being a bitch about dropping the abj. It's just that without the body you're forced to make it up in other spots. Example using that gorget from Qilin that everybody gets tired of throwing away, or being forced to keep your Goading belt even as you look at the Phasmida belt in your inventory sighing. These are examples, there are a few other ways to get that 5 hit without Armadaberk, but the Armadaberk route is the best way to go, and worth doing in this age when making money is almost effortless. The only hang up on it is Nid doesn't much like to drop it, but again, the money's not hard to make back!

[Fupafighter]

well it seems to be working for me seeing as i do between 30~40%(30 being when something goes really bad or when i have to be more reserved or not getting enough chained staggers) of any VWNMs HP on parses, so i must be doing something right.

Also, the wars/sams are actually very well-geared and know how to do their job very effectively.
Lucky you lol. I see way too many garbage sams and warriors daily >.<