To Those Opting to Play 'One Player Mode'...

[Frost]

Please try to be a civil adult.

While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you. Sometimes you guys make that a really unfavorable experience. For those folks, I'd like to have a word with you.

I cannot make threats or "pwn j00", I can only ask nicely for you to be a civil adult.

You want to get away from those "idiots" that piss you off. You may have been treated unfairly by people, and you may lack the needed social skills to overcome such obsticles, but part of growing up is knowing how to handle such situations, and to not take out bad experiences and misdirected anger on others.

I only ask that you be a civil adult to the people, especially strangers who didn't force you to play alone.

Sure it's within your rights to play Bst, or pay two to six times more for extra characters, just to be alone... But when you cross into the territory where you adversely affect the experiences of others, you're no longer "alone"... You've become the antagonist or bafoon in someone else's story. Don't be a jerk AND a hypocrite.

Try to be a civil adult in situations where you may have caused conflict or a misunderstanding.

It's not a stretch to say that you can "Do what you want", and that yes, "It's just a game". If "It's just a game" then why do you feel so passionately as to pay two to six times as much as a normal player? Can you accept that people may feel just as passionately about the game as you? Maybe foster a sense of commonality in this game, rather than perpetuate your childish thuggery and tantrums?

Be a civil adult, stop acting on your impulses; you're being one of those "idiots" you loathe so much.

What kinds of stories do you have to tell? Are they about the triumphs of you and your friends in a shared experience where you overcame a situation flavoured with comradely and personalities? Or is it a boring report about how you got another item alone? Not to be too cheesey, but friends always have been and always will be the best thing you get out of this game. No one in real life or in game cares about your "Golden Dildo of Perpetual Smiting +3", but they do love a good story about how you met your friends, and what you guys do. People like people, when they're civil adults.

Imagine if you were a civil adult and could get along with other civil adults, you'd be able to integrate, have friends, experiences, stories, and shit...

Eventually, you wouldn't even want to be alone.

At the very least, you'd save you some money.

[Vivik]

So someone took too long to solo something and you came here to be a mature adult and cry about it? Sounds about right.

[Tamoa]

Somehow I doubt that's what made Frost post this, almost certain there's more to it than that.

[Frost]

So someone took too long to solo something and you came here to be a mature adult and cry about it? Sounds about right.

Swing and a miss there chief.

[Dreamin]

"There are always two sides to a coin."

How many times has a solo'ing BST that is in an area without anyone to begin with and then 5min later, a group of ppl came in and start to overrun and claim every single mobs? This happens pre-, during, and post abyssea time.

Likewise, same thing could also happen when you're out there skilling. Why do ppl who FC (whether 2ppl or a full ally of AFK'ers who may/may not have paid to get leech xp) feels that they have the right to just come into any camp and just takes over regardless of what other people (solo'er or lowmen group) are already there doing?

Careful when starting this kind of thread with such a general situation.

Fact is, this is a MMO, there are a lot of different types of ppl who play this game. Some nicer then others. Some cares whether they are being rude to others or not. There will be those that will come in and camp over someone else regardless of who/when/where/how/how-many/etc.

Fact also is that in this MMO, even with friends, sometimes you just want or need to do things on your own (skilling comes to mind). So you're not always doing things with your "friends" or "ls-mates" every waking moment you're playing this game.

"There are always two sides to a coin".

Just something to think about.

[Vivik]

Swing and a miss there chief.

So how about not being so general and actually say what happen. That way people don't have to try and guess exactly what you're bitching about. There must have been some point that you said "Thats it! I need to go post this on the Official Forums!". Why?

[RAIST]

umm.... rage much?

And which is it...are they opting to solo, or are they forced to solo?

Just saying....your passion may be muddling up your argument a little.

Personally, I solo most of the time simply as a matter of convenience with my schedule. I frequently have to go afk during the day, so I opt to do campaign/besieged a lot with a little FOV/GOV thrown in sometimes. When I can focus for a couple hours, I'll run into aby for skillups. It allows me to get a lot of the tedious crap for my personal goals (like magians, farming/crafting, skillups, etc.) on my own time, then I can set aside time when everyone is on to do the more intensive stuff that requires or simply goes smoother with a little help.

It sounds like you have a grudge against all soloists or something, guess someone has just been pissing in your corn flakes something fierce lately. Just because you see some people "soloing" while dual-boxing doesn't mean every soloist is doing it, and not always just people running around on BST---many solo on mage classes too. It is a small minority that are a nuissance (at least on my server). It's an unfortunate side effect of all the "easy button" mentality the design team has taken with the game in the last year or so. But, in my experience, many are willing to team up if it is a goal that can be shared or simply to speed things up. How you approach them makes a big difference...if you are confrontational, then they are going to push back--it's human nature. Sometimes it may not necessarily be the soloist that is the antagonist....

Oh, and I've only had one character in this game. 7/10 90+ jobs to 99 all with empy +1 armors (all but maybe 6 pieces were completely soloed via quests and NM kills, and those pieces not 100% solo often were b/c of odd seals I got that no one wanted when I assisted them with their farming sessions) and working to +2's with a host of magians to +2, +3, and final stages (still working on finishing them, again on my own time for the most part) and 6 at 51 with no mule, ever--been playing for roughly 7 years now.

[SNK]

Sure it's within your rights to play Bst,

Why you gotta pick on my fucking job?

And straight up, When I was soloing back before ToAU even came out, I used to make it a point to exp in places where most people didn't go. Sometimes tho I was forced to go exp in some places that sometimes a party would come and try to camp on top of me.

Case in point crawler's nest beetle camp on the upper level. It's a great camp if you're soloing or in a party but hey I've always made it a point to make sure nobody was there before I went to exp. Hell I even went so far as to put up a search comment in translate saying where I was and what I was doing. It sure as shit didn't stop those people who weren't in one player mode come down and try and force me out or talk shit to me in say like I didn't have a right to be there even tho I was there 1st.

Suffice to say I enjoyed their ignorance pre-MPK patch by dropping a few charmed beetles or 4 on top of them and sat back and watched the enjoying of their asses getting wiped. I disgress tho since I strayed from my original point.

Stop singling out people who solo and just make it a point that it's anyone be it in a group or a person alone can make your day goto shit.

Again, don't pick on my fucking job.~

[Vold]

Why you gotta pick on my fucking job?

And straight up, When I was soloing back before ToAU even came out, I used to make it a point to exp in places where most people didn't go. Sometimes tho I was forced to go exp in some places that sometimes a party would come and try to camp on top of me.

Case in point crawler's nest beetle camp on the upper level. It's a great camp if you're soloing or in a party but hey I've always made it a point to make sure nobody was there before I went to exp. Hell I even went so far as to put up a search comment in translate saying where I was and what I was doing. It sure as shit didn't stop those people who weren't in one player mode come down and try and force me out or talk shit to me in say like I didn't have a right to be there even tho I was there 1st.

Suffice to say I enjoyed their ignorance pre-MPK patch by dropping a few charmed beetles or 4 on top of them and sat back and watched the enjoying of their asses getting wiped. I disgress tho since I strayed from my original point.

Stop singling out people who solo and just make it a point that it's anyone be it in a group or a person alone can make your day goto shit.

Again, don't pick on my fucking job.~Sounds like you are the kind of person he's describing. Just a FYI and observation because most BSTs I know don't need to wash their mouths out with soap.

[Arcon]

Careful when starting this kind of thread with such a general situation.

His post basically just said "play nice", and there's nothing to be careful about with that. Of course, some people will read something else into it (Vivik for example), but these people always read whatever they want, so who cares about them.

[SNK]

Sounds like you are the kind of person he's describing. Just a FYI and observation because most BSTs I know don't need to wash their mouths out with soap.

Wow you really need to learn to read a lot better. I mean seriously I know that reading comprehension is hard to do but really now. Soloing exp because I can and making it a point to mind my own business unless someone else fucks with me 1st is pretty much the norm for most BSTs pre-abyessa. I mean seriously how did you read myself as me being the type of person frost is bitching about when I said it straight up that people are fucking assholes weather they're in a party or not and singling out people who solo is just blind and stupid.

I'm sorry that we all can't play nice and take it up the ass when a party tries to bother someone who's soloing but hey if you've got a stick up your ass at me over something else then please by all means feel free to come out and defend your friend for making a worthless QQing thread.

P.S. Washing my mouth out with soap? What are you? 10?

[Byrth]

I just see this as a passive-aggressive attack on everyone who lowmans events these days with a mule or pet. He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something.

People who duo with mules pay twice as much per month and make a little less than twice as much gil per month, but they invest less than twice as much effort to make it and it takes the same amount of time. Mules are essentially just a fast forward button. If it is worth it to you, make one. If it is not, don't!

Either way, making passive-aggressive threads on the forums reminding people (specifically with mules) to play nice is kind of futile and misguided. In the last six months of dynamis, I definitely saw more single-character players committing dynamis faux pas than mule-owners or BSTs. I bet about half my runs in Dynamis - Tav end when parties of single players fail to check my very explicit search comment and show up only to realize I am clearing the relevant monsters on upper floor duo with my mule. Then they sit there getting 3/10 clusters breaking my rhythm probably complaining to each other about my mule and me.

[SNK]

I just see this as a passive-aggressive attack on everyone who lowmans events these days with a mule or pet. He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something.

People who duo with mules pay twice as much per month and make a little less than twice as much gil per month, but they invest less than twice as much effort to make it and it takes the same amount of time. Mules are essentially just a fast forward button. If it is worth it to you, make one. If it is not, don't!

Either way, making passive-aggressive threads on the forums reminding people (specifically with mules) to play nice is kind of futile and misguided. In the last six months of dynamis, I definitely saw more single-character players committing dynamis faux pas than mule-owners or BSTs. I bet about half my runs in Dynamis - Tav end when parties of single players fail to check my very explicit search comment and show up only to realize I am clearing the relevant monsters on upper floor duo with my mule. Then they sit there getting 3/10 clusters breaking my rhythm probably complaining to each other about my mule and me.


This in a nutshell. It comes down to just people forcing their way in to get what they want. When it came to world spawns NMS of course it was cutthroat so I was used to playing on both sides of the street but when I was out exping BST or soloing, I made it a point to not be a dick unless someone decided they wanted to shove theirs in my face 1st. It's easy to ruin a person's day as a BST and vice-versa.

I'm not one to look for a fight with someone but I sure as shit will fight back when people honestly try and fight with me.

[Zarchery]

I can't understand how people play effectively with more than 1 character. I have a 2nd character that I inherited from a dude who quit the game, but I rarely use him and actually just cancelled the account again (after it was already dormant for 4 months). 2-boxing gives me such a headache, and I generally find its only use is to do skillchains to unlock a mythic or quested weapon skill, or to drag out his BLU for yellow triggers in Abyssea.

[SNK]

I can't understand how people play effectively with more than 1 character. I have a 2nd character that I inherited from a dude who quit the game, but I rarely use him and actually just cancelled the account again (after it was already dormant for 4 months). 2-boxing gives me such a headache, and I generally find its only use is to do skillchains to unlock a mythic or quested weapon skill, or to drag out his BLU for yellow triggers in Abyssea.

Some people I know use Scripts with their mules. Things like spellcast make it easy to make sets to have a WHM or RDM mule, Cure, Haste, Silena, Poisona, etc just by the logs in the game. I've seen a few people use it and it's pretty simple when all you have to do is tell your mule to follow you from camp to camp.

[Dreamin]

I just see this as a passive-aggressive attack on everyone who lowmans events these days with a mule or pet. He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something.

People who duo with mules pay twice as much per month and make a little less than twice as much gil per month, but they invest less than twice as much effort to make it and it takes the same amount of time. Mules are essentially just a fast forward button. If it is worth it to you, make one. If it is not, don't!

Either way, making passive-aggressive threads on the forums reminding people (specifically with mules) to play nice is kind of futile and misguided. In the last six months of dynamis, I definitely saw more single-character players committing dynamis faux pas than mule-owners or BSTs. I bet about half my runs in Dynamis - Tav end when parties of single players fail to check my very explicit search comment and show up only to realize I am clearing the relevant monsters on upper floor duo with my mule. Then they sit there getting 3/10 clusters breaking my rhythm probably complaining to each other about my mule and me.

That's my point in my previous posts. This game has always has all kinds of players. Players who will play nice with one another and those that doesn't give a damn about others.

To think a post to play nice will somehow change the entire playerbase's thinking/behaviors is just lol at its best and just show ignorance on how players can and will behave in this game (and other MMO as well).

[Vivik]

His post basically just said "play nice", and there's nothing to be careful about with that. Of course, some people will read something else into it (Vivik for example), but these people always read whatever they want, so who cares about them.

He's not just saying "play nice" he's singling out a specific group of players. If he meant for it to be general maybe he should have said "Everyone play nice". There is nothing to do but read into what he said because the OP is so general it's borderline pointless.

[Saefinn]

Generally there are main camps where people party and I think it's fairly obvious to avoid them if you're gonna solo, this is what I do if I feel like going out and soloing stuff (not on BST, mine's a Level 3), maybe even farming or skilling up. For skilling up, there's obvious camps, but you might decide to mix it up a bit and try somewhere different and discover your own camp. I'm sure a number of people out there try this.

Of course, that's not going to stop clashes 100% and sometimes you're gonna pick a spot because it's a decent spot and nobody was there to begin with. I think when they do exist you've just got to be mature about it and settle it like mature people. However, people aren't that mature. I can think of one Wajoam party where a BST was on the Calibris and instead of maturely settling it, people in our party just started shouting abuse and taunting him instead of showing any kind of manners. So it's not necessarily the soloer who's being the immature one, sadly, it was the BST who got GM'd (the leader decided to call one). It happens between parties too, people fighting over camps. It'd be nice if people were a little more mature, but actually that's the world we live in and it's not exclusive to reality either, people are dicks on the internet too.

[Phogg]

Someone call the OP a wahmbulance, stat!

[Camiie]

Please try to be a civil adult.

While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you. Sometimes you guys make that a really unfavorable experience. For those folks, I'd like to have a word with you.

I cannot make threats or "pwn j00", I can only ask nicely for you to be a civil adult.

You want to get away from those "idiots" that piss you off. You may have been treated unfairly by people, and you may lack the needed social skills to overcome such obstacles, but part of growing up is knowing how to handle such situations, and to not take out bad experiences and misdirected anger on others.


Is that really your opinion of people who solo or multi-box? While you may not actually be trolling, your opening here certainly comes off as such. Blanket assumptions and generalizations rarely come off very well. Hopefully you didn't mean everyone who solos/multi-boxes is an angry, anti-social loser of a person, because that's a rather ignorant and bigoted way of thinking. If you don't think that then you will definitely want to clear that up.

There's more reasons for a person to solo than just being anti-social or angry at the world. Some look to challenge themselves that way. Others are just being pragmatic. And yes a few are as you say they are.

Everyone should be nice and respectful to others whether they are solo, partied, or allied. I've encountered good and bad from groups of all sizes, from 1 to 18. There are times I've been the soloist and times I've been part of the larger group. Simply, I've seen it all and there's no group size that's more or less innocent or guilty than another. None of us are entitled to any NM, battlefield, or camp no matter who we are or how many people we're with. We do indeed need to be civil. All of us. Be respectful to the soloist and the alliance alike. They have just as much right to whatever is out there as you do.

[Gallus]

Aww. Don't worry, op. Time heals all butthurt.

[Logandor]

To be honest not all bsts are that way. Why singling out that specific job over others I don't understand. The server I play on most bst players are actually pretty nice and helpful not gang banging mobs over you while you try to level a job. Also not all bst play solo. Most of the ones in some linkshells I am involved in team up and help each other out as a whole. Maybe it's just the fact that those players are nice in general and willing to team up I don't know.
Now if the op had stated that players in general that would be more understandable. Remember OP that other jobs can be just as much of a threat as some bsts in different areas as solo players plus just as cold-hearted. Just saying...

[Yinnyth]

I apologize for my inability to unravel your message, Frost, but I've read through the OP three times now and see no overall point which makes sense. You ask for people who solo things by dualboxing or by playing a pet job to act like a mature adult, so are you implying that they're not? We're all expected to be mature regardless of what we do in FFXI or RL for that matter. Unfortunately, my best guess at what you're trying to say is "people who solo (unknown event) by dualboxing or by simply being strong enough to not require help are rude people." which is an immature thing to say because it links 2 completely unrelated character traits. It would be like saying "people who drink Coke don't wash their hands after going to the bathroom."

So I'm hoping this is not the case and I'm simply missing your point. Perhaps you could help me to shed some light on what you're saying?

[Ica]

Imagine if you were a civil adult and could get along with other civil adults, you'd be able to integrate, have friends, experiences, stories, and shit...

Thanks, but I prefer to shit alone.

[Draylo]

I use multiple characters, like Byrth said it is just to speed things up. I also run with a linkshell and do events together, so I'm not entirely alone and they like the benefit of my mules going as the boring jobs (support) while they can DD. I will admit though that it is more fun to play a single character than manage more than one. I don't think there is anything wrong with it though. The cost isn't that great, an extra 12~25 dollars which a common person spends more than that per month on junk food, needless accessories or extras for a phone plan, subscriptions to different things they rarely use, etc etc.

[Riggs]

sounds like the op wants to play in a game full of npc's, if you can't deal with other people having their own in game objectives perhaps its you that mmorpg's do not suit??

[Camiie]

sounds like the op wants to play in a game full of npc's, if you can't deal with other people having their own in game objectives perhaps its you that mmorpg's do not suit??

Doesn't Guild Wars instance the entire game world outside of town for a person and their party? That might be a good game for them to try.

[Saefinn]

I got the OP's message pretty clear. Whilst, yes, it's a rant, but I just took the OP as addressing soloers/dualboxers who are rude as opposed to saying ALL soloers/dualboxers are rude. Whilst, yes, generalisations are used I am fairly certain she doesn't mean all, perhaps in that respect there's poor phrasing but at least she doesn't directly stat that 'all' are like it.

[MojoJojo]

Honestly, i've seen far more antisocial behavior from single-characters running in larger groups, towards strangers and ls-mates alike. I took offense to the attacks on bsts/dualboxers, when it should have been aimed toward EVERY DAMN ANTISOCIAL ASSHAT who cannot wait a minute, share an nm/area, or converse in a respectful manner.

[saevel]

It's a fantasy MMO. Who is the target market for fantasy MMO's.

It's a hardcore fantasy MMO, the numbers and amount of required work to get anywhere virtually require people to be serious about their gaming.

Its the internet, the place where perfectly normal people who are given an anonymous outlet for whatever lurks inside them.

Put these all together and you get the people the OP is talking about. Their in every game, FFXI just seems to have a disproportionate amount of them.

[Frost]

First, to the majority of you, this obviously does not apply. For those who responded thinking I was addressing them specifically, either you harbor some sense of guilt for something you've done, or you missed the first paragraph:


While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you. Sometimes you guys make that a really unfavorable experience. For those folks, I'd like to have a word with you.


Moving on.

"There are always two sides to a coin."

Careful when starting this kind of thread with such a general situation.

Just something to think about.

There's three sides to this coin. Anyone who reads my posts by now should be able to see that I always have a reason for doing things, and that the majority of what I write has double/triple meanings. Usually I mean no malace, and am trying to 'do right'.
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I generally like what you write SNK, and it's kind of unfortunate I have to do the following:

(Cherry-picking my argument, I know, but you seem to be no stranger to that considering BST isn't the whole topic.)


Why you gotta pick on my fucking job?

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Case in point crawler's nest beetle camp on the upper level. It's a great camp if you're soloing or in a party but hey I've always made it a point to make sure nobody was there before I went to exp. Hell I even went so far as to put up a search comment in translate saying where I was and what I was doing. It sure as shit didn't stop those people who weren't in one player mode come down and try and force me out or talk shit to me in say like I didn't have a right to be there even tho I was there 1st.

Suffice to say I enjoyed their ignorance pre-MPK patch by dropping a few charmed beetles or 4 on top of them and sat back and watched the enjoying of their asses getting wiped. I disgress tho since I strayed from my original point.

Stop singling out people who solo and just make it a point that it's anyone be it in a group or a person alone can make your day goto shit.

Again, don't pick on my fucking job.~

You do realize that that group of people all suffered because one person in it mouthed off and you MPK'd them right? There may have been people in the party trying to get the group to leave, but you MPK'd them too, giving "your job" a bad name.

Which goes back to what Dreaming was saying. "There's two sides to every coin."

As a Beastmaster you should be able to appreciate your portability. And while I'm not saying you don't have a right to EXP wherever you want, especially if you were there first. You're much more able to exp anywhere, where group locations are kind of limited. Also, you could achieve the same results competing groups do, just out pull them and kill faster. Eventually the EXP will be so bad for them they have to leave, you didn't have to MPK the entire group. (Yes I'm aware sometimes it comes down to not being able to get a pet because they're all pulled. There's ways around that too, which make it even worse for parties trying to move in.)

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As with SNK I have to open saying I like you, I like anyone that has an opinion and is able to actually voice it COHERENTLY.


I just see this as a passive-aggressive attack on everyone who lowmans events these days with a mule or pet. He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something.

People who duo with mules pay twice as much per month and make a little less than twice as much gil per month, but they invest less than twice as much effort to make it and it takes the same amount of time. Mules are essentially just a fast forward button. If it is worth it to you, make one. If it is not, don't!

Either way, making passive-aggressive threads on the forums reminding people (specifically with mules) to play nice is kind of futile and misguided. In the last six months of dynamis, I definitely saw more single-character players committing dynamis faux pas than mule-owners or BSTs. I bet about half my runs in Dynamis - Tav end when parties of single players fail to check my very explicit search comment and show up only to realize I am clearing the relevant monsters on upper floor duo with my mule. Then they sit there getting 3/10 clusters breaking my rhythm probably complaining to each other about my mule and me.

Agree'd this is very passive-agressive, about as much as adding "He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." in the following line of your post. lol...

Anyways in a nutshell, you expanded what I was saying, I should have been even more general sure. I should have included "Soloers of all kinds". I just find the multi-boxers to be particularly interesting because they go to such great lengths to be uncooperative, antisocial. Solo soloers are easier to deal with on two fronts: If they come in, you're on equal footing, and if they're dumb enough to try to move in, they're usually dumb enough to, umm... "over power". When someone is multi-boxing you don't have that same luxury. Solo soloers also tend ot be more apt to team up, where multi-boxers come fully equipped and don't generally feel the need to be diplomatic.

Though ironically, I believe you are a proponent of "If it's yellow, it's fair game" correct? So what good does a seacom or "claiming a camp" really do in your eyes when there's unclaimed mobs? Maybe the soloer is happy pulling three mobs, and you're reading too much into it because they're "breaking your rhythm"; you're not breaking thiers'. Did you bother to ask if they were looking for an item specifically? Maybe offer what they're looking for they go kill something else? (We both know those are loaded questions right?)

Maybe the OP isn't just some guy who "probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." Maybe it's some guy that's also a soloer looking for civility, where there's limited mobs and yet, seemingly plenty to share.

But that'd only be a part of the argument since I was pretty intentionally "general" or vague yet specific. I can assure you there's more.
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Cammiie, only thing I can offer your questions is one word: "Bait".
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Ica, you should try group shitting, it's quite enlightening.
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Tamoa, Arcon, Saefinn, You get it. Nail, Head, Etc.
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The rest of you are trying way too hard to be witty. Protip: In order to be witty, you have to have wits.

[Rohelius]

Doesn't Guild Wars instance the entire game world outside of town for a person and their party? That might be a good game for them to try.

Yeah they reserve the areas just for you or your party as soon as you zone in.
you can also invite a whole "Adventuring Fellow" party if you need something hard done solo.

And i get the message but to say BST and Dualboxers is kinda too specific...
DRG solos sometimes too also BLU hordes monsters SMN is also a pet job not mentioned, most times BST gets that bad rep of killing a Partys exp mobs or hording Dynamis mobs like they have some stamp that says "Party Only"...

If i may remind the OP, the game is 13+ so to hope for a civil game experience while totally okay is not really expected. That's why the rating says "Game experience may change during online play"

[zagam]

I think the OP needs to learn a lesson from his own posts considering he's in one of the more notorious LS's that are general dbags when dealing with others. But I guess its ok that you still roll with 18 popping aby carpet bombing the area with no disregard to others doing the same NMs? I would hazard to say that maybe some of these people you are having problems with now are because you and your LS's general lack of respect for anyone is coming back to bite you.

I know we have dealt with you guys a few times, the first few times you burned us, now we don't even bother. We see that shell and know right away not to even try and be civil with you because you wont in return. So if you truly believe in what you're preaching maybe start with your inner circle first.

[Frost]

I think the OP needs to learn a lesson from his own posts considering he's in one of the more notorious LS's that are general dbags when dealing with others. But I guess its ok that you still roll with 18 popping aby carpet bombing the area with no disregard to others doing the same NMs? I would hazard to say that maybe some of these people you are having problems with now are because you and your LS's general lack of respect for anyone is coming back to bite you.

I know we have dealt with you guys a few times, the first few times you burned us, now we don't even bother. We see that shell and know right away not to even try and be civil with you because you wont in return. So if you truly believe in what you're preaching maybe start with your inner circle first.

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

=]

And as a heads' up, they always tried to communicate, if no one responded and you're standing around, we just assumed you're done. Nothign else we can do if there's a ??? there and no one's talking.

[Alerith]

I solo stuff on PLD all the time. Does this apply to me? ; ;

[Camiie]

Cammiie, only thing I can offer your questions is one word: "Bait".

Which is pretty much what your OP was whether you intended it or not. It was flame bait.

[Kluaf]

QQ to op


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[zagam]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

=]

And as a heads' up, they always tried to communicate, if no one responded and you're standing around, we just assumed you're done. Nothign else we can do if there's a ??? there and no one's talking.

So you want to try and change the way multi boxers handle situations but not the way you and your group does? Hypocritical much? And no they don't try to communicate, if there is a few people its step all over them until they leave. If its a larger group/shell there might be communication only if it benefits you. (aka you cant brute force them out)
Ive seen you guys straight up try to out pop groups and the time you're referring to someone did reply you popped anyway ,we assumed some miscommunication so waited till after then you popped again. I remember the first time running into your group when the first time quetz unlocked the shadow lord fight. For once this server was actually being civil and had a line going, up to 3 hours at one point except for some AP members strolling up and entering multiple times. There was a few other times as well, were you there? I'm not sure but yes I will Judge your LS when the leaders condone such things, you may call it ill conceived because you are not a leader but you come here riding your high horse when you benefit from said grievances and do nothing to stop it. If your views actually mean something then you would have left that shell long ago not pass judgment on others. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Karbuncle]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

=]


Kinda like how you're judging a mass amount of people based on your select dealing with a few of them?

I'll let that sink in.

Hint: Those people who play "One Player Made".

[Glamdring]

Ok, I’ll take your post at face value and assume what you are asking for is etiquette. On that grounds let me let you in on what years of soloing on beast (and more recently pup) have taught me that party players need to learn in terms of etiquette.

1. I was here first. Yes, that’s right; I do NOT have to move because the 6 of you want my camp. When you guys were there 1st, I moved elsewhere, so you need to do the same.

2. If you are NOT jacking my targets I’m perfectly willing to help you with your link… but don’t whine if I need a minute to finish what I’m doing. It’s very difficult to help others when I have “unfinished business” clawing up my backside. If you ARE jacking my targets, then tough, you can just lie there and rot. Nothing in the Terms of Service requires me to help you screw me over.

3. If you make a request for my camp, or ask politely how long I’ll be there I will reply in kind (if you ask in English, I can’t read Kanji). But if you whine or get demanding rest assured I’m not ignoring you, I’m /blacklisting you.

4. If you tell me I have to kill the NM I’m working on faster… I’m slowing down. The hell with you, I’ll finish when I finish. You make me stand around waiting while you’re group splits to keep a constant spam up on Sobek and the rest of you keep spamming the pops for 15-20 reps; when I manage to get my 1 Sirrush you can just deal with the 4 minutes it’s going to take me, ESPECIALLY when I was there first.

5. I CANNOT just solo elsewhere. I had my reasons when I chose the camp/prey I’m working on, because it satisfies what I need and elsewhere doesn’t. So don’t expect me to believe you when you try to tell me otherwise.

6. Do you see a “seek” flag up? Then I probably don’t WANT company. If you just need the win on an NM, fine, I’ll add you, but don’t “help”; the best way to screw up a pet job is to “help”. My pet cannot hold hate against a regular DD and I only brought enough healing for me and my pet; if you try to help more likely than not you’ll just get us all killed and no win for any of us. I happen to be a nice guy, if I get an R/EX drop that I have no use for I try to find someone who does before it drops out of the pool.
21st century golden rule: “if you want me to treat you like an asshole, all you have to do is act like one.”

[Ravenmore]

This goes beyond just solo but in group too, if I ask how many you have left and I don't get a number I will make it hard for you. Because I might be able to go to another mob if you have 6+left or if you got one or 2 I know it would be better to wait. I do this while i'm solo and in groups to solo/groups. But if what others are saying about what they have delt with from your group is true well guess what you have it coming. Also every thing Glamdring said.

[Meiisein]

I think the post by Glamdring on the previous page highlights what the typical solo person acts like. I am on the same game world as the OP, though I did come there from Midgardsormr, and I have had almost all interactions with solo players be positive. I've been playing since NA launch as well.

[starfxcker000]

I think the OP needs to learn a lesson from his own posts considering he's in one of the more notorious LS's that are general dbags when dealing with others. But I guess its ok that you still roll with 18 popping aby carpet bombing the area with no disregard to others doing the same NMs? I would hazard to say that maybe some of these people you are having problems with now are because you and your LS's general lack of respect for anyone is coming back to bite you.

I know we have dealt with you guys a few times, the first few times you burned us, now we don't even bother. We see that shell and know right away not to even try and be civil with you because you wont in return. So if you truly believe in what you're preaching maybe start with your inner circle first.

If you were burned by us, it's because we tried communicating with you, and you thought you were above using a keyboard to respond to us, so we assumed you weren't going to be friendly. If that's what happened, sorry, you deserved it.

[Ravenmore]

If you were burned by us, it's because we tried communicating with you, and you thought you were above using a keyboard to respond to us, so we assumed you weren't going to be friendly. If that's what happened, sorry, you deserved it.

Going by how the OP thinks I incline to think the LS is that way. Because we have all see it to many times and not just in abyssea.

[zagam]

If you were burned by us, it's because we tried communicating with you, and you thought you were above using a keyboard to respond to us, so we assumed you weren't going to be friendly. If that's what happened, sorry, you deserved it.
Again, we did communicate and you still popped and then popped again. Again, you guys don't even consider a small man group nor communicate at all. Again its happened many many times. You can have as many of your members come try and save face as you want but the fact remains actions speak louder then words.
We gave you a few tries and it didn't work, so be it. If the OP is true in his comments then the next time were run into each other it should be different, but I doubt it.

[Yinnyth]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.

Karbuncle beat me to the punch on this one, but this reeks of a complete lack of self awareness.

[Frost]

After some conversations with people and RL friends I can now see what's going on with that...


While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you. Sometimes you guys make that a really unfavorable experience. For those folks, I'd like to have a word with you.

Is supposed to read: "To those who solo, put so much effort to get away from everyone, and are assholes; you still affect us."

Is that clearer?
I'm not trying to call out an entire group of people for the actions of a few. I'm just trying to call out those few.

[Rohelius]

Not going to perpetuate a feud. Ad hominem much? But judging a LS by only a few of it's members is ill conceived, especially when your linkshell shares the same dubious honors you pin on us.


Kinda like how you're judging a mass amount of people based on your select dealing with a few of them?

I'll let that sink in.

Hint: Those people who play "One Player Made".

PWND! /close thread lol :cool:

[Glamdring]

yeah, sorry guys, didn't mean to come off harsh, but I've got a pet peeve when people start in on soloists and ettiquete. It's usually coming from a partier that has no manners themselves. I'm certainly not saying that soloists are all decent people. My dynamis shell frequently has our camps trashed by soloists who just come in and trash the place like they own it. Seriously people, with the exception of Tav, there's plenty of mobs to go around. DON'T just rush in and take half our prey when we have an established camp, even if the ToS say you can, it's just rude. And Karma is a bitch.

Obviously if we are roaming it's a different story; TBH I have problems with my own shell when we just try to muscle in on someone else's prey, soloist OR group. Even Tav... we CAN fight through the tauri and go fight the eyes or the fish. In fact, a party is probably BETTER going through the tauri than a soloist, because we can shift hate and we usually have a few healers who can deal with the specials. IIRC the demons and the Hydra fomor drop stuff too.

[Ketaru]

Sure it's within your rights to play Bst ... just to be alone...

Actually, I'm fairly certain that playing alone was something that was forced on me when I was playing BST way back when.

"Seeking DD for mundane, easy group event"
"BST?"
"Sorry, real DD onry, like D-O-M-A-R-U SAM!"

[Rezeak]

Why you even making this thread if someone is really being offensive call a gm and they will act if they are really harrishing you or just /blacklisting them.

As for soloer or groups stealing mob this is an mmo and claiming and keeping mobs claimed is part of the game the fact people can steal your stuff may be offensive to you when really it's just them playing the game (while yea it's not nice) and if you have a issue w/ that then complain to SE cause they can easily make it so you can't lose claim and if ya wipe a mob depops.

[Urteil]

When people start soloing in my way in Dynamis, we run them out of the area by claiming the mobs as a group, depriving of them of the ability to commit their heinous crime.

See I'm working with others forming an incredible story as the OP intended.

(*'-')

[Psxpert2011]

**Strolls through the thread with all the bright lights.**

"Hey guys, what going on!? Is this another general discussion about 'Bst player ethics'??"

BST POWER!!!! It make an awesome sub-job for Mnk, imagine it in it's full glory! ^o^

[Oscar71]

When people start soloing in my way in Dynamis, we run them out of the area by claiming the mobs as a group, depriving of them of the ability to commit their heinous crime.

See I'm working with others forming an incredible story as the OP intended.

(*'-')

Oh Urteil, you make my days sometimes. Anyways, aside from combing through and through the mounting garbage, I agree with the OP on this. I like to solo where I can either on DNC or SMN and being nice about it as well. A "soloer" or a "Dbox-er" not being nice or just simply ignoring you is bait to just have fun with them and mess up their play time. Yes, yes, so little to do and so much time or is it so little time and so much to do..I forget.

A player who is "skilled" to play a job that has an auto attack sheep on it and just stands there healing it should go play Pokemon, leave FFXI and enjoy your pet battles if he/she wishes to be a prick to the MMO gaming environment. I have met many helpful and nice "soloistas" and shitty "imgonnaberawrandkillthismobextraslow" players. The shitty ones should leave and pick up a copy of the aforementioned game. If you like solo and think you can get stuff done alone, great! Just stop being asses because I'm not when I solo.

(^.^)V

[Byrth]

Agree'd this is very passive-agressive, about as much as adding "He probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." in the following line of your post. lol...

I don't really understand what you're saying here. You appear to be agreeing with both parts of my first paragraph, but it could also be your sarcasm translating very poorly through text.


You expanded what I was saying. I should have been even more general and included "Soloers of all kinds".

I find the multi-boxers particularly interesting because they go to such great lengths to be uncooperative and antisocial. Single soloers are easier to deal with on two fronts:
* You're on equal footing and if they're dumb enough to try to move in then they are usually dumb enough to "over power". When someone is multi-boxing you don't have that same luxury. (I don't know what you mean here, so I can't clarify it for you)
* Solo soloers also tend to be more apt to team up, where multi-boxers come fully equipped and don't generally feel the need to be diplomatic.

I think this is what you meant, maybe. I teamed up with a JP dragoon doing XP trials in Tav on my last run there. She got about 15k XP.


Though ironically, I believe you are a proponent of "If it's yellow, it's fair game" correct? So what good does a seacom or "claiming a camp" really do in your eyes when there's unclaimed mobs? Maybe the soloer is happy pulling three mobs, and you're reading too much into it because they're "breaking your rhythm"; you're not breaking thiers'. Did you bother to ask if they were looking for an item specifically? Maybe offer what they're looking for they go kill something else? (We both know those are loaded questions right?)

There are 10 Dynamis zones and I go at ~8PM GMT to the only zone that has only one viable DC monster camp. Furthermore, I do it because they aren't generally contested monsters (Clusters blow you up, Leeches have a lot of HP and high defense/Acid Mist). If someone enters on top of me, it is their fault and we are both screwed unless one of us yields and does EPs (assuming no one is soloing them) or warps. Also, note that I said "my runs ended" above. Unless I was really low on gil, I left when it became apparent that the rest of Dynamis would be grindy no-fun competing against substantially larger groups.

I generally tend to get the majority of the pops because multi-player groups (for whatever reason) seem to show up without mages and only keep one monster claimed. You were right about "yellow is fair game." I kill faster than them and can Repose one to keep it claimed while I'm killing another. It's just not fun, though. They're idiots, but neither of us are having fun so I tend to leave.


Maybe the OP isn't just some guy who "probably got camped on in Dynamis or something." Maybe it's some guy that's also a soloer looking for civility, where there's limited mobs and yet, seemingly plenty to share.

But that'd only be a part of the argument since I was pretty intentionally "general" or vague yet specific. I can assure you there's more.

Maybe the OP was so passive aggressive and vague that it was hard to tell what the point of making the thread was. You weren't "vague yet specific." Those things are opposites. You can't be and weren't both of them at once. As evidence, I present all the replies you got.

[wish12oz]

Maybe the OP was so passive aggressive and vague that it was hard to tell what the point of making the thread was.

I agree with this, I read the OP and I have no idea what is going on. I just want to say, I enjoy killing stuff with my mules faster then other people kill the same stuff in large groups, it makes me smile a little inside when they try and call me dumb too.

[Shadowsong]

While you may have found freedom from cooperating or socializing in an Massively Multiplayer Online Video Game, we unfortunately still have to deal with you.
I cannot make threats or "pwn j00", I can only ask nicely for you to be a civil adult.

Who is "we"? Speak for yourself and hope to get support, don't strawman this

[CapriciousOne]

Generally there are main camps where people party and I think it's fairly obvious to avoid them if you're gonna solo, this is what I do if I feel like going out and soloing stuff (not on BST, mine's a Level 3), maybe even farming or skilling up. For skilling up, there's obvious camps, but you might decide to mix it up a bit and try somewhere different and discover your own camp. I'm sure a number of people out there try this.

Of course, that's not going to stop clashes 100% and sometimes you're gonna pick a spot because it's a decent spot and nobody was there to begin with. I think when they do exist you've just got to be mature about it and settle it like mature people. However, people aren't that mature. I can think of one Wajoam party where a BST was on the Calibris and instead of maturely settling it, people in our party just started shouting abuse and taunting him instead of showing any kind of manners. So it's not necessarily the soloer who's being the immature one, sadly, it was the BST who got GM'd (the leader decided to call one). It happens between parties too, people fighting over camps. It'd be nice if people were a little more mature, but actually that's the world we live in and it's not exclusive to reality either, people are dicks on the internet too.

Well the game design is part of the problem as well. I mean when you look at the break down of mob, levels, drops, and areas, especially when farming or skilling, depending on the job the options are sorely limited.

For instance, as a RDM my options kind of sucked in the high 60s and low 70s being a mage, espeically when i needed to farm pot shards or golem shards because Ro'Maeve while doable is a pain solo as a mage. So while it may make sense to avoid common camp areas it isnt always feasable because of game dynamics as well. Oh and I havent even talked about mob distribution and the common changes to it that causes problems too.

Personally I would've love to see the abyssea dynamic carried over to other areas where based on the rate a party kills, the mobs they pull get stronger proportionately to the number of people in the party. It would help alleviate some of teh problems with soloist finding respawns because parties are killing stuff too fast.

In any case there is no changing some people minds about anything let alone an entire playerbase (like the fact that RDM can melee too, lol) but expecting anyone especially soloist to just rollover and take it is complete bull.

I do find it curious the poster mentions the fact of somebody paying 2x monthly fees for additional character like it is a huge expense. I imagine they spend that amount on the cigarettes i'm sure they smoke spazing out over crap like this everyday, LOL.

Personally I always preferred to solo as much as I could because I never felt these type of games were uber hard to need a party 24/7 if one was jsut patient and actually use thier brain to form a decent strategy instead of just going in hacking and slashing. Partying is more of convenience for speed when short on time or just frustrated. In addition solo I dont have to field complaints or defend my way of playing. There is more than one way to get things done and no one way is the best way all the time. I just grew tired of the bs and just said I would do what I could solo until I got bored then just quit when done.

[Saefinn]

Well what I like about this game is if you don't have to do party stuff all the time and you are welcome to cool down and do some solo stuff. If you're soloing you don't really have to commit to anything. Obviously not every enemy can be solo'd. ;) I think there's all sorts of solutions that could improve parts of this game, I did like that monster levels scaled in Abyssea, but I'm not entirely sure if I'd support it outside of Abyssea, though if done right it might work. Unfortunately as far as changing minds goes, a lot of people are pretty closed minded. :P