Reward

[swk]

anyone concerned our Empyrean Set has nothing to boost reward.

[Superchicken]

not really there plenty of reward enhancing gear out there already.

[Xilk]

with the recent changes to reward and the addition of eta biscuits... I don't think anyone is too worried. 2k hp rewards are plenty.

[klostro]

With full reward gear and maxed merits for bst, Pet food Eta gives me around 2k HP for NursuryNazuna. That with the fact most of the threatening mobs left at 90 for her are in abyssea and Mounted Champion and other regen atmas affect pets too, I think reward is actually more than what it needs to be.

[Nattack]

BST AF1 and AF2 didnt give many reward boosting stats either, aside from the feet, and JSE head.

I would rather they not be polluting our already good stats. if you want reward, max your Reward Recast > Reward effect > MND (usually, MND can sometimes, in some very few cases pull ahead. I'm thinking Beast Gaiters vs Suzaku's Sune Ate here, I dont remember which was better.)

for example:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/84873

this is something i threw together a few years ago. so its definitely not up to date, or even optimized (edit: is now, +53% reward, +51 MND nomnomnom), but even back then you could get a potent reward effect on this. now we have ferine earring and such - I have yet to update, or even look into it, as I'm pretty interested in my Ninja at the moment.
Unless your pet is gaining 100% HP back on reward, always max your MND and Reward effect/duration.

[Gotterdammerung]

there is a 50% reward bonus cap so too much more gear in this area and it will start becoming redundant and worthless.

[Nattack]

actually. only two pieces. Ferine Earring, which still has the benefit of Pet Acc+3
and Ogre gloves can be downgraded to NQ.
that leaves room for like, 3 more mnd on the ear slot.

so 50% reward, and 54 MND

[Ezikiel]

The best thing they can do for Reward now is to allow pet biscuits to stack to 99 with that and previous adjustments i cant iagine you not being good to go

[Elesar]

what they need to do is add either pet food that enhances our pets (instead of just heal them) or add gear that applies the food we eat onto our pets (similar to what DRG af3 body does).

[Limecat]

If anything, I'd like to see roborants on a separate JA from normal Reward. They're not overwhelmingly useful(assuming you're jackcoating your Rewards) but are annoying to obtain/make, and that'd give them some real value.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

To be fair the BST set gives no real bonus to pets full-stop which is a shame.

Still need the previous 3 EP's equipment for any Pet: Stat+

[blowfin]

anyone concerned our Empyrean Set has nothing to boost reward.

No, we can cap reward potency with other gear (to 50%) and Artifact and Relic bodies give us nice options for status removals.


To be fair the BST set gives no real bonus to pets full-stop which is a shame.

I'm no sure what set you're looking at but there are 4/5 items that give direct boosts to pets in the set.
Feet: Spur
Legs: Stout Servant
Hands: Sic/Ready
Head: Monster Correlation

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Guess I was unclear, I should have said: Gives no real, stat upgrading bonus'

[blowfin]

Guess I was unclear, I should have said: Gives no real, stat upgrading bonus'

Stout servant on the legs is extremely useful.
AF3 hands and feet should be macro'd in for Ready/Sic and Spur respectively. The hands have been proven to provide a decent boost to Sic/Ready moves.

Honestly I'm pretty happy with the AF3 (apart from the body requiring +2 to start being useful to me). We have enough pet gear options out there at the moment and the stats for the master are very nice upgrades for most pieces.

[Glamdring]

Atma shouldn't be in the discussion. There's a great big world outside Abyssea and I hope the 90-99 content will be out there; I want to get charming again. So yes, the lack of reward+ gear (and charm + for that matter) do worry me a good bit. Unlike alot of players, I hate macroing in gear changes all the time, I like my inventory to be about drops.

[blowfin]

Atma shouldn't be in the discussion. There's a great big world outside Abyssea and I hope the 90-99 content will be out there; I want to get charming again. So yes, the lack of reward+ gear (and charm + for that matter) do worry me a good bit.

You could cap reward potency before Abyss was even released. Why is it a problem that its not on AF3? It would have been quite bad design indeed for them to include something we already have. The same goes for Charm + gear too, even more so.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

anyone concerned our Empyrean Set has nothing to boost reward.I'm more concerned that the empyrean dose jack for the pet and everything for the master.

[Glamdring]

You could cap reward potency before Abyss was even released. Why is it a problem that its not on AF3? It would have been quite bad design indeed for them to include something we already have. The same goes for Charm + gear too, even more so.

because if I'm out there 90+ I don't want to be in my relic (or even AF 1) with a light staff trying to charm! Also, the relic boost to reward is to remove a status ailment, merits have nothing to do with that. Seriously, if I need to go back to charming EM+ to level solo losing that I think +21 to charm is going to result in more mischarms, and in case you noticed you only consistently mischarm while in the middle of a fight, a very good way to make your recently earned XP into a "do over".

By the same token, yes Eta gives alot of HP back, it gives alot more with augmenting gear, and without Atmas or Shepards drinks (which are only available in Abyssea, Nyzul and Beseiged) it is the only means of healing my pet short of having him rest. In the middle of a fight that means I have to try to solo whatever straight up, not generally a good idea.

I'm not asking for anything to make me more powerful than I was pre-Abyssea, just AS powerful as I was before Abyssea, relative to my level.

[blowfin]

Seriously, if I need to go back to charming EM+ to level solo losing that I think +21 to charm is going to result in more mischarms

Charm+ only effects duration, not success rate.


because if I'm out there 90+ I don't want to be in my relic (or even AF 1) with a light staff trying to charm!


You need to be making some gear swap macro`s dude, there is enough gear out there like you`re describing to sink a boat. If you`re not willing to do that it`s like complaining that a car doesn`t work, which you never put any gas into.

[Glamdring]

You need to be making some gear swap macro`s dude, there is enough gear out there like you`re describing to sink a boat. If you`re not willing to do that it`s like complaining that a car doesn`t work, which you never put any gas into.

I think you missed my point that I don't WANT to carry a steamer trunk full of gear around. I like a nice, utilitarian set of gear I can just go to town in and save my inventory slots for drops (a good beast is a farming machine while soloing). It's a little slower than thief (not as much as you would think considering my thf routinely has TH6+ on mobs), but the greater survivability of my self-duo against more difficult prey makes it balance out and I think my bst is more fun. I do some gear swaps when I have no choice, but for the most part I try to avoid them.

[blowfin]

I think you missed my point that I don't WANT to carry a steamer trunk full of gear around. I like a nice, utilitarian set of gear I can just go to town in and save my inventory slots for drops (a good beast is a farming machine while soloing).

Quite the contrary, i understand exactly what is going on. Your unwillingness to swap gear (and probably to get said gear in the first place) is creating a perceived issue with the AF3 not having many stats that suit your play style. That's fine, each to their own.

I'm just telling you that there are good reasons SE didn't include the stats you would have liked on the AF3. Whether you want to take that on board or not isn't really my problem. They do design gear with swapping it in and out in mind. If you don't want to play the game the way SE designed, and take full advantage of the variety of items available, then of course gear isn't going to meet your expectations. Nothing will ever be good enough if you want to, basically, full time gear.

P.S. Use your Mog Sack/Satchel for drops.

[Morgantisthedon]

There is a list on wikki that shows a table with gear you can swap in for reward with charisma and a chart
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Reward
I personaly think what they have is fine maybe a little more could be added post 90 if any. Other than that a -pdt pet item (like -pdt axe's) or rewards from MKD head piece or what not also are nice. The flexibility of swaping gear for this specfic event is more usefull to me than wearing it full time. In accordance In regards to a emperian wpn. I say leave it how it is. If I wanted to do damage I would swap in a hard hitting wpn to fight. Want my pet to live ... swap in some -pdt stuff... want to heal it swap in some reward + and chr stuff. Its realy how much involved you want to get into the job and get various gear and stuff for it which makes this game dynamics truely amazing.
For my ideas of making reward better I would like to see them being able to stack to 99 instead of 12
Or agment other food that has the same effects that like a atma would in abby like a actual pet food you would have to use once per 30 mins or so to increase a pets stats same way food would effect would us the actual player (not pets) but not be effective in the actualy reward system. If this would be made though. I forsee changing reward to Pet healing command with items useable like eta etc. With rewards being diffrent foods you could use to increase its specific bonus ... exaple pets attack str etc.

[Guardian]

Seriously, with just the Ferine +1 set and one macro swap for reward, you could have a nicely geared BST. Not the best, but a far cry from the useless full timing AF. ; ; seriously seeing that makes me want to face stab them.. I plan on dumping most gear for my jobs once I get the +1 sets, not because it's the best gear, but because I play 12 different jobs depending on what I'm asked to come on ><. I needs the space.

[Karbuncle]

Seriously, with just the Ferine +1 set and one macro swap for reward, you could have a nicely geared BST. Not the best, but a far cry from the useless full timing AF. ; ; seriously seeing that makes me want to face stab them.. I plan on dumping most gear for my jobs once I get the +1 sets, not because it's the best gear, but because I play 12 different jobs depending on what I'm asked to come on ><. I needs the space.

Its not a good idea to level so many jobs that you're forced to mediocrity because you can't properly gear each one! You should retire some of the ones you don't play a lot! It'll clear your inventory! Maybe keep some of the better jobs and ask yer lazy friends to level more jobs so they can fill the niches instead of just you :P! Thats just my opinion though :3 Do as you wish

Also I bet you're looking forward to being able to Dbox R/EX gear in the near future, Will clear up inventory spaces XD, Even I'm looking forward to being able to Dbox all my PLD gear i don't want to toss.

Also, As far as reward goes... I like it how it is, 2k+HP cures is a good strong ability, and being able to do it once every minute (with proper gear/merits) is a great bonus.

[Guardian]

Its not a good idea to level so many jobs that you're forced to mediocrity because you can't properly gear each one! You should retire some of the ones you don't play a lot! It'll clear your inventory! Maybe keep some of the better jobs and ask yer lazy friends to level more jobs so they can fill the niches instead of just you :P! Thats just my opinion though :3 Do as you wish

Also I bet you're looking forward to being able to Dbox R/EX gear in the near future, Will clear up inventory spaces XD, Even I'm looking forward to being able to Dbox all my PLD gear i don't want to toss.

Also, As far as reward goes... I like it how it is, 2k+HP cures is a good strong ability, and being able to do it once every minute (with proper gear/merits) is a great bonus.

I'm not looking to master every job, I do like to play around with them all from time to time though. Except BRD and WHM. Those I'm just as happy to never touch again. <_<

[Guardian]

About the only thing I'd like for reward is maybe a NPC that sells the Apkullo or w/e eggs for like 1k each, expensive but it'd still bring the price down on Eta, and make it quite a bit faster to make.

[Glamdring]

P.S. Use your Mog Sack/Satchel for drops.

Can't, between aby pops, consumables, ninja tools, X-bow ammo, R/EX stuff i will need as I level other jobs, my gear sets for my beast, bard, thief, dancer, and pup I am currently leveling as well as crests and the like I only have about 8 slots open out of the 400 I have not in my pack, and my other 15 mules are similarly filled, too.

and no, I'm not being the least bit sarcastic, I am that full.

[Morgantisthedon]

Can't, between aby pops, consumables, ninja tools, X-bow ammo, R/EX stuff i will need as I level other jobs, my gear sets for my beast, bard, thief, dancer, and pup I am currently leveling as well as crests and the like I only have about 8 slots open out of the 400 I have not in my pack, and my other 15 mules are similarly filled, too.

and no, I'm not being the least bit sarcastic, I am that full. I understand your concerns of space and what no but I belive this is a thread based on bst reward effects and emperian debates sorta. I can for see you concerns of space issues (i myself have these also which i am hoping i can mail off exclusive stuff to help this with what they discussed before) But I think this issue specificaly isnt about space. I myself struggle with this also haveing 19 90's and a 74 sch.
That said. even with space issues I can still manage to get my core effects out of what I wanted via swaps because i retired other jobs I dont use at a given time. :)