Exenterator's effect duration does not vary with TP.

[Byrth]

Exenterator is messed up.


Delivers a fourfold attack that lowers enemy's accuracy. Effect duration varies with TP.

At 100TP, it lasts 90 seconds.
At 300TP, it lasts 90 seconds.

Also, it should be "lowers the enemy's accuracy." probably

[Bublex]

Greetings Byrth!

I would be more then happy to submit this for you, however, I would like to ask that you please give us some additional information on this matter. Please fill out the template below to the best of your ability. While some of the information may seem irrelevant, it is always best to have as much information as possible. Once filled out, we will submit this for review for you!

Thank you for your time and apologies for any inconvenience!

GM Bublex


Platform:
ISP:
Type of Internet Connection:
Internet Connection Speed:
Date & Time:
Frequency:
Character Name:
Race:
World:
Class/Skill Rank:
Area and Coordinates:
Party or Solo:
In-Game Time:
Steps:
1.
2.
3.
<*Add more steps if necessary.>

[Byrth]

Well, I'm not exactly reporting "halp my character is stuk in joono!" or "i kant log in!" Most (if not all) of the information you're requesting is irrelevant. Here is why:


Platform: The time that an additional effect is on the monster is determined by your servers, not my computer
ISP:The time that an additional effect is on the monster is determined by your servers, not my ISP
Type of Internet Connection: The time that an additional effect is on the monster is determined by your servers, not my internet connection
Internet Connection Speed: The time that an additional effect is on the monster is determined by your servers, not my internet connection speed
Date & Time: Pretty obviously something I have tested at multiple dates and multiple times
Frequency: Always
Character Name: If I posted this, you can read my character name
Race: If I posted this, you can see my race
World: If I posted this, you can see my world
Class/Skill Rank: Many classes gain access to this weaponskill and it functions the same way on all of them
Area and Coordinates: It does not matter
Party or Solo: It does not matter
In-Game Time: Pretty obviously something I have tested at multiple dates and multiple times
Steps:
1. Gain an amount of TP between 100 and 300 TP.
2. Use the weaponskill (start stopwatch)
3. Wait for the additional effect to wear off (stop stopwatch)
4. Record time
5. Notice that there is no difference between 100 and 300 TP.
6. Repeat several times and report on the official forums, as you did when the same problem existed on the test server.

[Skirata]

Hello Byrth,

Thank you for responding with some of the information that was requested by Bublex. However we cannot submit this for you until you provide the necessary information. And while some of it may seem irrelevant to you, it is information that is necessary for the development team to investigate this for you. So we would need you to fill out the following information.

Platform:
ISP:
Type of Internet Connection:
Internet Connection Speed:
Date & Time:
Character Name:
Race:
World:
Class/Skill Rank:
Area and Coordinates:
Party or Solo:
Monster Name(s):
In-Game Time:


Once you have provided this information, we will be able to submit this for you so they development team can review this for you. Thank you.

[Byrth]

Nevermind then. I'm sure someone with a higher tolerance for bullshit will report this at some point. 90 second flat duration is good enough for me.

[Tagrineth]

Nevermind then. I'm sure someone with a higher tolerance for bullshit will report this at some point. 90 second flat duration is good enough for me.

You know, it probably would've taken you LESS TIME to fill out the info correctly than it did to fill it out in the form of a total jackass. But yeah. Bitch more. Waah.

[Shadowsong]

You know, it probably would've taken you LESS TIME to fill out the info correctly than it did to fill it out in the form of a total jackass. But yeah. Bitch more. Waah.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you have no idea who Byrth is.
When he posts, Devs and Reps need to listen, not run him/us around like idiots.


Once you have provided this information, we will be able to submit this for you so they development team can review this for you. Thank you.

He didn't post this soYou could help HIM. He posted it so YOU can help YOURSELVES and other players. Nice way to treat someone who tests the game for free.

[Arcon]

You know, it probably would've taken you LESS TIME to fill out the info correctly than it did to fill it out in the form of a total jackass. But yeah. Bitch more. Waah.

There was a point to his reply as well, one that wouldn't have been conveyed if he just filled it out normally. The point is that their blanket response with that form is completely useless. Most of what they're requiring is absolutely irrelevant to problems with the content. They need to get rid of it completely and just interpret the bug reports individually, as they have to do anyway with the step-by-step info provided by us. This form should have never made it to the forums in the first place, its absolutely only use is in the form of client bug reports and they should make a completely seperate page for that. It's not related to test server content in any way. SE is making reporting bugs tedious and inconvenient and in some cases even insulting to our intelligence. It's like punishing the people that volunteer to test their products (at their request).

[Melodicya]

While we appreciate your input regarding the Bug Reporting procedure, please keep any conversation in this thread as it pertains to the topic at hand, and not about the process itself.

Any Feedback regarding our process is welcome either in the appropriate forum or through the Feedback Form Located at the Square Enix Support Center at http://support.na.square-enix.com under "Final Fantasy XI" > "Contact" > "Suggestions and Feedback."

Also, please keep in mind that the Game Masters are neither Programmers nor Developers, and have been asked to gather this information in order to file a complete Bug Report to the correct department. This is why we are required to request that the form be fully completed before we are able to submit a report and have the matter investigated.

We appreciate your understanding and continued support.

[Mirabelle]

Seems to me Byrth did fill out your template, even though he shouldn't have been required to. Just because his answers were not as you desired doesn't mean he didn't follow protocol. Certainly the moderators could have put any alternate value in for the answers deemed unsatisfactory and the bug could be investigated properly.

Why make the player population do the work others should be doing. It's not our jobs. We are paying you. Step up to the plate and supply some customer service.

[Karbuncle]

Platform:PC
ISP: Time Warner
Type of Internet Connection: DSL
Internet Connection Speed: A lot
Date & Time: Between Jan and Feburary
Character Name: Karbuncle
Race: Mithra
World: Asura
Class/Skill Rank: THF99
Area and Coordinates:
(A-1) through (O-15)
Dynamis - Bastok
Dynamis - San D'oria
Dynamis - Windurst
Dynamis - buburimbu
Dynamis - Jeuno
Dynamis - Beaucedine
Dynamis - Xarcabard
Dynamis - Valkurm
Dynamis - Qufim
Qufim Island
Vunkerl Islet (S)
Behemoth's Dominion
Lower Delkfutt's Tower
Ru'Aun Gardens
Shrine of Ru'Ava...something
Grauberg (S)
Abyssea - La'Theine
Abyssea - Vunkerl
Abyssea - Misareaux
Abyssea - Konschtat
Buburimbu Peninsula
Party or Solo: Both
Monster Name(s):
Pil
Akvan
Gaunab
Kaggen
Botulus Rex
Qilin
Bukhis
Quasimodo
Lord Varney
Fistule
Carabosse
La'Theine Liege
Heqet
Cireon-Crion
Goblin Statue
Avatar Idol
Adamantking Image
Warchief Tombstone
Woodnix Shrillwhistle
Shamblix Rottenheart
Gosspix Blabblerlips
Flamecaller Zoeqdoq
Elvaansticker Bxafraff
Hamfist Gukhbuk
Lyncean Juwgneg
Qu'Pho Bloodspiller
Gi'Bhe Fleshfeaster
Va'Rhu Bodysnatcher
Te'Zha Ironclad
Ree Nata the Melomanic
Koo Rahi the Levinblade
Doo Peku the Fleetfoot
Baa Dava the Bibliophage
Barong
Alklha
Aitvaras
Stihi
Statue Prototype
Tombstone Prototype
Icon Prototype
Effigy Prototype
Nightmare Leech
Nightmare Worm
Nightmare Bugard
Nightmare Hornet
Nightmare Cluster
Nightmare Makara
Nightmare Taurus
Nightmare Mandragora
Nightmare Crab
Nightmare Raven
Nightmare Dhalmel
Nightmare Eft
Vanguard Hamamoto
Vanguard Ronin
Vanguard Pillager
Vanguard Protector
Vanguard Defender
Vanguard Ambusher
Vanguard Smithy
Vanguard Thautermage
Vanguard Beasttender
Kindred Dark Knight
Kindred Red Mage
Kindred Thief
Kindred Beastmaster
Kindred Ninja
Kindred Ranger
Kindred Monk
Kindred Paladin
Kindred White Mage
Kindred Black Mage
Kindred Dragoon
Kindred Samurai
Kindred Bard
Kindred Summoner
Aello
Uptala
Ocythoe
Kalasutrax
Ig-Alima

In-Game Time: Varying from 0:00 to 23:59



FFS there guys >_>! I've tested it myself as well, So you can use the above.

Results are Same as Byrth:

Step 1) Use Exentarator, 100%, 200%, 300%
Step 2) Acc down wears off after 90sec regardless of TP amount, Despite what description says.

[Byrth]

Yay, maybe I am not crazy!

Here is the other thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/17536-Dagger-Weaponskill)I reported this in, though there is no evidence anyone actually reads NA bug reports in that forum. There are four pages of threads without a single rep reply or acknowledgement. The only rep-related post is copy-pasta of a JP response, and it didn't fit into any created thread so they made a new one for it. I am not entirely sure why they would create and release the test server only to ignore all reported bugs, but it is what it is.

Assuming that nothing has been fixed since they were released on the test server, it might interest you to know Shijin Spiral and Shattersoul both have fixed additional effect durations (instead of varying with TP) as well. I don't feel like spending 20 merits to open them up though (and the test server is still broken), so you will have to try it on your own.

[Creelo]

Incoming 100% = 30secs, 200% = 60secs, 300% = 90secs.

/sigh

[Zirael]

Guys don't get mad at GMs asking for additional (irrelevant) information. They're probably using some variety of Bug Tracker database/clients and when GM is manually inputting your bug, it might be tossing in "Field required" errors, and since it is your report, not theirs, they can't really make up your ISPs name on their own.
QA/QC is very procuderised/standarised thing to run, otherwise you'd get lost in all of that partial information.
Filling in "Steps to reproduce" from log in screen onwards for every bug etc gets old fast, but helps keep things organised. Been there, done that. It's annoying but procedures are procedures :(
In case of these bug reports there is a form to be filled in, in case of critical bugs they probably call a dev or two in the middle of the night and don't bother with any forms. But we're talking THF/DNC here, so the issue can wait a month or four :P

[Zirael]

Incoming 100% = 30secs, 200% = 60secs, 300% = 90secs.

/sigh
Evasion is important and relevant to all end game content in this game :P
On a serious note, you won't notice any difference whether the effect is on or not, for 95% of content.

[Creelo]

Evasion is important and relevant to all end game content in this game :P
On a serious note, you won't notice any difference whether the effect is on or not, for 95% of content.

I never stated it was.

But for times when the effect does matter, even if it is for that "5% of content," I'd rather the duration just stay at 90secs and not be needlessly nerfed. :/

[Byrth]

Upon comparison to this (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Infernal_Scythe) or this (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Tachi:_Ageha), I doubt they will nerf it from 90 seconds. Someone probably just forgot to upload the duration structure for these WSs and left them set at the test server default.

[Jhanaka]

Byrth >> I would like to ask, one more time, for you to fill out the form correctly. Again, while you may not think some of the information is needed, or the GMs can presume/guess by your initial post, we are required to have the information, from you, not guess/fill in. Without the details, we cannot submit your report. I will, personally, look into seeing if we can change the form or do something to help make it easier for the community. Please remember, that a lot of our bug reports need to be translated into Japanese, so the more detail you give, the better we can communicate your issue. If you no longer wish for us to submit this report, please say so and we will close the report.

Karbuncle >> Thank you for taking time to fill out the bug report, but I am afraid I cannot submit it until you create your own thread. Another rules/policy I will look into, I promise, but for now we need the OP to fill out the details on this thread. This does not stop you from submitting your own report for us.

All others >> Please do not use the bug report threads as discussions points as it clutters up the thread and makes it so the "real" post loses impact. If you wish to discuss this in the General Discussion, that is fine, but please keep comments on topic by either offering the OP relevent suggestions/advice and avoid slandering remarks as they do not help the situation.

Thank you for your understanding.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka

[Byrth]

Aw shucks, you got me and I have reconsidered my earlier stubbornness.

Platform:PC
ISP: Time Warner
Type of Internet Connection: DSL
Internet Connection Speed: A lot
Date & Time: Between Jan and Feburary
Character Name: Karbuncle
Race: Mithra
World: Asura
Class/Skill Rank: THF99
Area and Coordinates:
(A-1) through (O-15)
Dynamis - Bastok
Dynamis - San D'oria
Dynamis - Windurst
Dynamis - buburimbu
Dynamis - Jeuno
Dynamis - Beaucedine
Dynamis - Xarcabard
Dynamis - Valkurm
Dynamis - Qufim
Qufim Island
Vunkerl Islet (S)
Behemoth's Dominion
Lower Delkfutt's Tower
Ru'Aun Gardens
Shrine of Ru'Ava...something
Grauberg (S)
Abyssea - La'Theine
Abyssea - Vunkerl
Abyssea - Misareaux
Abyssea - Konschtat
Buburimbu Peninsula
Party or Solo: Both
Monster Name(s):
Pil
Akvan
Gaunab
Kaggen
Botulus Rex
Qilin
Bukhis
Quasimodo
Lord Varney
Fistule
Carabosse
La'Theine Liege
Heqet
Cireon-Crion
Goblin Statue
Avatar Idol
Adamantking Image
Warchief Tombstone
Woodnix Shrillwhistle
Shamblix Rottenheart
Gosspix Blabblerlips
Flamecaller Zoeqdoq
Elvaansticker Bxafraff
Hamfist Gukhbuk
Lyncean Juwgneg
Qu'Pho Bloodspiller
Gi'Bhe Fleshfeaster
Va'Rhu Bodysnatcher
Te'Zha Ironclad
Ree Nata the Melomanic
Koo Rahi the Levinblade
Doo Peku the Fleetfoot
Baa Dava the Bibliophage
Barong
Alklha
Aitvaras
Stihi
Statue Prototype
Tombstone Prototype
Icon Prototype
Effigy Prototype
Nightmare Leech
Nightmare Worm
Nightmare Bugard
Nightmare Hornet
Nightmare Cluster
Nightmare Makara
Nightmare Taurus
Nightmare Mandragora
Nightmare Crab
Nightmare Raven
Nightmare Dhalmel
Nightmare Eft
Vanguard Hamamoto
Vanguard Ronin
Vanguard Pillager
Vanguard Protector
Vanguard Defender
Vanguard Ambusher
Vanguard Smithy
Vanguard Thautermage
Vanguard Beasttender
Kindred Dark Knight
Kindred Red Mage
Kindred Thief
Kindred Beastmaster
Kindred Ninja
Kindred Ranger
Combobreaker
Kindred Monk
Kindred Paladin
Kindred White Mage
Kindred Black Mage
Kindred Dragoon
Kindred Samurai
Kindred Bard
Kindred Summoner
Aello
Uptala
Ocythoe
Kalasutrax
Ig-Alima

In-Game Time: Varying from 0:00 to 23:59

Steps:
Step 1) Use Exentarator, 100%, 200%, 300%
Step 2) Acc down wears off after 90sec regardless of TP amount, Despite what description says.
Step 3) I assume you also didn't fix Shijin Spiral or Shattersoul.

[Jhanaka]

Byrth >> I see you just copy and pasted the entry by Karbuncle. As it seems you are not taking this process as seriously as we would like, we are going to close this thread. If you ever wish to provide the actual information we are seeking from You, please create a new thread and we will be happy to submit the report to our Development Team.

We thank everyone for their understanding, but this thread is now closed.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka