Petition for Summoner Overhaul

[jeffanddane]

Please put your name here if you would like SE to make SMN a more balanced class . . . Hopefully this will get a SE's attention. . . .

[Draylo]

I doubt it will, but I'd like to see SMN updated. It was one of my favorite jobs through the series, and now its extremely poor in this game!

[jeffanddane]

Still if the petition has alot of people then maybe SE will do something . . . . it's horrible. . .

[Divinechild]

support /

[Badieh]

For some reason, I feel that they have a lot of changes for SMN but they are withholding the information so they can spring it all once, on the day of the update... I remember that's how they did Diabolos.

[Sargent]

The BP Timer Reduction Ability they promised in the manifesto.

Where is it?

/signed

[Aarahs]

Yeah, smn is absolutely horrible. It's not like Perfect Defense is a worthwhile ability or there are strategies developed around making effective use of smn...

[Dreamin]

Seriously, if they're going to do crap like what they're doing to the BST, then LEAVE us SMN alone. I dont want the SMN to be nerf even more than it already is. If they will do real improvements like the PUP are, then I'm all for it. But overall, the word Balance in the hands of SE has more negativity then positively associated with it.

[Lilia]

yes please,
more melee dmg
or enspelldmg (/sigh i can beat my ava with my staff in melee)
or or or
/support

[Malamasala]

I remember saying this 2005. It really needed an overhaul, and yet SE insisted on just doing baby steps. It is always too little, too late.

Would have been nice if they just let us equip atmas on avatars while they work on all the slow updates. I actually suggested such things back in 2005, but then they tossed PUP on us with the whole equip system instead. (Sometimes I'm positive SE stole all my ideas and put them on new jobs instead of fixing SMN)

[Soundwave]

Support /

[Trevion90]

support and yeah heres hoping the 2 new avatars we are suppose to get will be worth it in the end

[Saiken253]

Signed. I love smn so much and seeing it in this state is so horrible...

[Divinechild]

i got one thing to say:

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[Saiken253]

that's 3 but i hear ya xD

[Babekeke]

Camate already said that there are more updates coming. All this petition will do is make you feel like YOU made them release said updates once they are finalised.

That said:
Avatars offer tp-free spike damage every 45 seconds. SE, "Working as intended".

[Toukai]

Signed~ I hope to see some positive changes and no more less perp cost for elementals.

[Zikon]

I support this / signed

[ScorpiusMaximus]

I don't have smn... yet, but what the hey....
/signed..


p.s. i really only want Diabolos and Fenrir...lol

[Sargent]

Camate already said that there are more updates coming. All this petition will do is make you feel like YOU made them release said updates once they are finalised.

That said:
Avatars offer tp-free spike damage every 45 seconds. SE, "Working as intended".

Solution: Offer a new "stance" type JA (like Serk/Defender, Saber/Fan Dance) that sets the BP timer to say, 30s but diverts a percentage of the enmity to the summoner.

[jeffanddane]

Lol I haven't even signed this and I started it . . . .

/sign

[Hayward]

/sign

Stop coddling SAM and other bandwagon melee jobs and make the avatars perform the way they're supposed to. And yes, that means upping their base accuracy and attack.

[Draylo]

Bump, give smn an update!

[jeffanddane]

Lol thanks Draylo <3

[jeffanddane]

You know there are 700+ views here there should be 700+ signed. . . . guy come on SMN needs to get out of beta. . ..

[Saiken253]

{Yes, please}

[Dohati]

yeah, needs something. i never get to play smn, even though it was the first job i lvled back in the day because smn is so awesome plotwise. even if i'm soloing, 9 times out of 10 i'll opt for dancer or something because it's just a lot faster and/or safer.

[Ickelz]

/sign

all the avatars attack strength is severly under par :(

Soloing easy prey mobs takes a stupidly long time.

[Dallas]

Soloing easy prey mobs takes a stupidly long time.
That's easily fixed. Hop into another thread, and lets see it we can't fix that for you. Still not signing!

[Saiken253]

i'll say this again~!

after 75, our pets should be free and the perp- gear should be converted into haste!

that'd be an update, huh? :D

[dmuller30]

sign !! We need this still lol

[Clou777]

supported /

[Helldemon]

sign !! We need this still lol

Still need what? Smn's are more wanted then most melee jobs and are useful in the highest Tier endgame stuff and can put out 2-7 times more damage then bst's while staying out of range of all AoE.

[dmuller30]

Still need what? Smn's are more wanted then most melee jobs and are useful in the highest Tier endgame stuff and can put out 2-7 times more damage then bst's while staying out of range of all AoE.

The only part that's agreeable is how far a SMN has to be away from the mob. You must be blind or not have had good BST's because BST can far out weigh our 30 second spike damage. . . .

[Helldemon]

No, they can't. MB'ing avatars can do 40k or more dmg every 30 seconds w/o buffs or debuffs for mob. Bst will do around 3-6k every 10 seconds w/o any buffs or debuffs on mob. Maybe where the smn has to do physical, but it certainly isn't far out weigh as I've seen smn's doing decent damage on physical BP

[Jile]

Still need what? Smn's are more wanted then most melee jobs and are useful in the highest Tier endgame stuff and can put out 2-7 times more damage then bst's while staying out of range of all AoE.

While the nerf to BST was stupid and didn't accomplish SE's goal (just made the JA's annoying and inconsistent) I never turn down any job getting more dmg output... Yes SMN can put out great dmg over time but if they put out another 20% burst dmg, it's not going to ruin my cupcake either... Just wish SE would stop nerfing things in the last days of this game... buff yes, nerf no.

[Teraniku]

/signed

I love Summoner, and while I'm not the best geared SMN in Vana'diel I do really like the job.

[Olor]

supported.

[Zeldar]

I of course support a smn update and boost, but I'm not sure they know what to do with it. I'm sure they don't want to make a job that has high buffing abilities into a top tier damage dealer. Maybe they will do something similar to SCH and make an ability that makes you choose: be support or be DD.

[dmuller30]

No, they can't. MB'ing avatars can do 40k or more dmg every 30 seconds w/o buffs or debuffs for mob. Bst will do around 3-6k every 10 seconds w/o any buffs or debuffs on mob. Maybe where the smn has to do physical, but it certainly isn't far out weigh as I've seen smn's doing decent damage on physical BP

Ok you are obviously not playing with very geared BST, beast can easily hit 10k+ with good gear 3 time in less than 30 seconds not to mention they can solo SC themselves which end up being 10K+ then add another 10K+ followed by a possible 5k+ SC there is no way I can keep that up with my summoner without having a someone to skill chain with. Yeah you can spike Apogee but that is all that is, it's simply a spike in DPS. So for BST to not need any MB to pump out this DPS is ludicrous. Let's not mention all the attention to detail on gear you need for SMN just to be qualified as a decent SMN. Escha gear doesn't quite cut it and reforged will only get you so far. Escha Resenjima is great if you can get the insane amount of stones you need just to get the right augments. Apogee gear +1 will get you in elite SMN squad if you can afford 90mil per piece. And Nirvana don't even get me started . . . .

[Rydal]

BST also have access to AoE moves (Chapuli and Tiger are popular) and self-skillchain AND Magic burst without having to recharge (Lizard is popular). Avatars can only AoE (effectively) during Astral Flow and can either open or close a skillchain then magic burst after (without Apogee). BST is probably the best cleaving job available right now in terms of pure and easy damage. SMN only gets a huge damage spike like that 1. every 30 seconds and 2. only when SOMEONE ELSE skillchains for them.

[Urmom]

Not sure I'd lizard is a good example.... sure it can blow all it's charges for a self skillchain and mb. It's also not exactly dmg efficient and would probably be less than just one non burst BP. The situations where you'd actually want to do that versus spamming better moves are well I can't actually think of any other than maybe trying to pop nms in vagary. Maybe something that's super strong to physical/weak to magical but need the extra macc from bursting?

Also the tigers move is conal... which is horrible for cleaving. Eft and rabbit are okish for physical AoE but it's really mostly about the cricket. Or just get a blu. Blus having pretty much always been and always will be kings of cleave

[OmnysValefor]

I think it's worthwhile to point out, in regard to the smn vs bst comparison, that it's alright if BST does more damage because:

- SMN is out of range from most aoes, thus safe. If the pet dies, it is not a huge loss. On some fights, it's actually handy having the SMN pet there to take a hit after a hate reset.
- If the pet is enfeebled, the smn can dismiss and re-summon. A bst must reward, and while they can use a cheaper food to do this, it still puts reward on cooldown.
- The pets offer very favorable buffs/debuffs.
- SMNs can cycle different pets throughout the fight. You're hardly going to see bsts deliberately changing pets more than once in a fight (and really, not even once)
- SMN and PUP are pretty much the only jobs in the game unaffected by Double Weakness. BST isn't either, but having to be in close proximity to your pet makes you extremely vulnerable to another death.

No, maybe SMN can't cleave like BST but RUN can't supertank multiples like PLD but niche content is not what the game should be balanced around.