Incoming BST pet Treasure Hunter Nerf!

[Xilk]

Sorry Camate, I'm jumping the gun. I'll try not to say anything inaccurate though.

Everyone should keep in mind an official translation will come in. (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20369-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%96%E9%96%93%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8A%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B%E3%83%88%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AE%E5%8A%B9%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6?p=272269#post272269)

Yuly and Falcorr Treasure hunter is gonna get nerfed down to level 1.

They don't like us having such powerful fighters w/ th3. They considered alot of options around this, including weakening thf type pet's battle strength or even readjusting the drop tables. They decided this would be the best option.

They also mention pet:treasure hunter + gear. This would alleviate the issue somewhat... There is a very noticeable difference between th1, 2, and 3.. this is gonna hurt.

I wouldn't like falcorr and Yuly to be weakened. I think they have particular battle niches already. I wouldn't mind if we had a different weak pet for th3 though. Like the toad.

[Vandheer]

Thanks for starting a new topic about this. I expressed my thoughts on this in the pet jug thread but to recap I don't think this is the best solution to treasure hunter. I will wait for the official translation to voice my thoughts though being I want to know more about "pet: treasure hunter + gear". This could potentially let beastmasters not need to rely on the thief pets... Then again the dev team may make it difficult to obtain or very limited in the amount of this gear that is out there.

Again I'll post here expressing my thoughts once Camate posts.

[Dreamin]

This just going to drive MORE BST into dynamis in the short term until SE gets this nerf implemented. Everyone going to want to get their currency out before this nerf comes in. Currrency going to dive even more and clueless ppl walking around with relic will be more common...what a sad day...

Why SE hated BST and SMN so much? Why couldn't we get some love like the DRG have? (okay, they still got the crappy 20min pet recast but at least the main job is getting a very nice boost).

[FrankReynolds]

I would really prefer that they just make thief treasure hunter more powerful. And I don't mean the arbitrary number it goes up to. I mean the actual drop rate.

[Zaknafein]

Well honestly the amount of activities in this game I enjoy have been dwindling rapidly over the past year. Bst is pretty much my default option when nothing is going on eventwise. Depending upon how this shakes out it could very well be the proverbial nail in the coffin for my subscription.

[Zhronne]

Of course they had to wait 18 months to even just express perplexities about TH3 on BST.
And of course they had to add another identical pet with TH3 just a few months ago, because they realized only yesterday that TH3 was unbalanced for a BST pet.

Of course.

Beacause, like, BST is so powerful, so overpowered, so useful in this game that it clearly needs a nerf.
Not only we can't rely anymore on charm.
Not only we have to rely on expensive pets that you lose while zoning, that you lose while DCing.
No.
Clearly BST needs to be nerfed.
BST is a job that excels at only one thing: soloing. It's been like that since the beginning.
Then they revamp a content (dynamis) to be particularly easy for soloers.
The consequence of that is that jobs that can solo clearly get a higher ground in Dynamis over other jobs.
The clear consequence is that the job that can probably solo best, BST, gets a higher ground over other jobs.
The problem CLEARLY is not in how they revamped the content without thinking about the consequences, the problem is in the BST job, so they have to nerf the job.

I know, right?

[deces]

Is Diablo III out yet?

[Granny]

This is insane, SE just keeps on kicking us bst in the teeth when we are down. This is totaly a cluster, not only do they give us falcor when it never really won the vote, they specificly went on about it being thf and so forth, now they want to nerf the TH not to TH2 which I could live with but all the way down to TH1... wow.

To top it all off as a 100+ cook/fishermen with ebisu, and 80 synergy, since they are changing the synth for falcor, they are obviously taking out abaia, which was the one good money fish/synth they added in years that actually gave me a use to dust off my ebisu from storage and put cooking to use.

[Zhronne]

The ironic part of it all is that a lot of other jobs will get TH3 by going /THF (thanks to the La Theine belt) and they won't even need to fulltime the item, just to wear it the first time they enter into a target's enmity list.

Ironic, eh?

[FrankReynolds]

So apparently they did give a little boost to thief treasure hunter.... that was fast.

[Tazz]

I don't see anything wrong with BST's having access to TH3. I mean they have to pay for their jug pets and cant charm in dynamis or abyssea where the majority of the gameplay has moved to. Even in Voidwatch, jug pets are their only option. Let the BST's have their TH pets, an actual THF will still get better results anyways.

[Brolic]

Sent all the way back to sea

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Doesn't bother me in the least bit. 90% of people will only be bitching because their solo dyn farm will go down. I've actualy gone in as nin/dnc on purpose to see what the difference would be and it is negligable. The pets are still retaining their TH and will still haul in more coins that a main thf due to the sheer melee power of the pet itself allowing you to kill things 5 times faster. And like I've said dozens of times in other pet TH threads, YOU are not a main thf, no matter what "job" your pet is. God forbid your time/money sink takes you three weeks instead of 2.

[Ultimare]

I always thought the th3 was a gift to bst to help us farm gil to afford 150,000g stacks of jugpets, or to help bust ass farming materials like apkallu eggs to make biscuits. LOL How foolish of me.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Is Diablo III out yet?It was supposed to be march, but now they say next quarter.

[RAIST]

yeah.. they just released another round of closed beta invites for D3....gonna be while still.

[Camiie]

yeah.. they just released another round of closed beta invites for D3....gonna be while still.

It'll be out "Soon!"

See: http://www.wowpedia.org/Soon

[deces]

It'll be out "Soon!"

See: http://www.wowpedia.org/Soon
That link was pretty silly, the game looks great to me. To bad the Necromancer didn't make it into the game though.

[argustus]

any one else think this is just se once again tring to push people off the game with the hope of getting people to join there fail game 14

[Camiie]

any one else think this is just se once again tring to push people off the game with the hope of getting people to join there fail game 14

Does 14 even have pet jobs yet?

[Rohelius]

We should raise the price of Relic+2 items to double since they are going to be more hard to come by now and teach these noobs about cause and effect.

[Phogg]

Thing is, SE completely missed the mark. You don't fix dyna by nerfing pet TH, you fix it by nerfing /dnc and/or the JA proc rate.

[Galledin]

I have very rearly added to a post and this will be going over old ground for some of this, 1- Bst will lose a pet when they Zone/DC, 2- Pup,Drg,Smn keep pet's, 3- Bst's need to pay or synth jug's and the price is going up all the time same goes on healing with Pet food Soo... Why after such a long debate on getting Bst better pet's WITH shorter timer's then nerf them more with the de-level of TH Bst's solo that is our thing you made Dyna a solo thing, how do we come up with better farming that again other's will only cry about Bst's solo this, Bst's solo that, Dyna/Aby well hell any thing we fight people complain. Just leave bst's alone and look at other job's or make it a lot more cost effective to solo make synths easyer/cheeper items. Sorry my moan is over now just more way's for bst's to spend more gill for nothing

[Glamdring]

I would really prefer that they just make thief treasure hunter more powerful. And I don't mean the arbitrary number it goes up to. I mean the actual drop rate.

this, I've been hollering for this since the 1st announcement of the TH nerf. The fact is each tier of TH has less effect than the tier before it, such that anything beyond TH3 is negligible. However, addressing that per SE is too much work, so we all (including thief) get to bend over and take it again. Get your lube.

honestly, how hard is it to make each tier of TH be a "reroll" on the drops table? All those of us going back to D&D remember what random is, and it works the same way on a computer, just minus the dice. All my TH6 setup does is guarantee a few more of the 10-20 gil drops at NPC cluttering up my gobbiebag while desireable drops still remain essentially unobtainable. A strong argument can be made that you're just better off bring a better DD to your farming session for faster kills since it nets out about the same to maxed TH in terms of drops.

[Glamdring]

Thing is, SE completely missed the mark. You don't fix dyna by nerfing pet TH, you fix it by nerfing /dnc and/or the JA proc rate.

lol, you noticed? same is true about the magic proc being so much lower than JA/WS; go in soloing on a mage and see how well that works for you, even the mages you DO see are in there /dnc soloing the JA mobs most of the time, at least in my experience. TBH, I don't think SE intended new Dyn to be a solo activity, but this is the kind of crap that develops when your aim is "broken game" from a Dev standpoint.

[Xilk]

lol, you noticed? same is true about the magic proc being so much lower than JA/WS; go in soloing on a mage and see how well that works for you, even the mages you DO see are in there /dnc soloing the JA mobs most of the time, at least in my experience. TBH, I don't think SE intended new Dyn to be a solo activity, but this is the kind of crap that develops when your aim is "broken game" from a Dev standpoint.

I went into dyna bst/whm once to raise a friend then farm. I had about 30 min solo after he timed out. I thought I'd do magic procs....

I spammed the dia... I proc'd 1 mob out of a dozen EP's my pet was killing. I didn't help kill at all... just tried to proc. I then went over to kill the DC's and proc'd more ja's using just ready moves and feral howl than I could on magic proc.

[Glamdring]

exactly my point Xilk, they purposely set the proc rate lower for magic because "you can spam so much magic in the time it takes to melee". what they leave out is that you're talking about multiple casters-solo that's just not the case. In fact, you have it easier than a solo mage in that you had a pet to help hold hate so you weren't worried about taking damage, being interrupted, etc. the way another mage type would be.

Of course, parties go light on casters now-the changes to the game have lead to everything being handled by the melee zerg, which-of course-means that it is "the only way" to beat content. It isn't. Good mages can do just as much damage, they simply can't deal with being hit back as much. Problems are two-fold: 1. people are SO concerned with keeping up a DPS that they forget the goal is the proc, not the damage, so they forget to not WS unless it's a WS mob and to use low damage WS when they do until they get it, and 2. mages need a tank in areas where they can't kite, especially when you need to keep casts low damage to get a proc, but noone bothers with hate control (and the corrolary target control). the second problem is nothing new, in the old days on alliance content you could never get the melee to watch what they swung at which was why so many players hated to play sleepers; the DD would wake the mob which promptly came for us, not the guy who hit it, and all sleeper jobs tend to be squishy.

Went beast to dynamis last night with my shell. We had a few bad pulls and we were getting alot of WS proc mobs so we needed multiple people to spam WS for procs but we had no sleeper (well WHM could handle 1) so I switched to the sheep jug. People still couldn't stay on target, but luckily the sheep can take it. Had I been there on my bard it would have been another story, one that ended with me tele-ing out when they failed to control themselves, and leaving them to face the consequences...

If that makes me sound like a jerk, fine. I DO warn them several times that if they get me killed again I'm out of there before I actually leave. That's why I solo as much as I do, I only have to deal with my own screw-ups, and I'm generally equipped to handle them (or I wouldn't BE soloing).

[FrankReynolds]

People don't use /assist macros at events?

[Glamdring]

People don't use /assist macros at events?

unfortunately, no they don't. Granted, these days most jobs can solo 1 mob (at least with a /dnc), but again we're after procs, not kills-at least until procced. problem is there isn't the strong interest in scheduled events there was a few years ago so the leaders are reluctant to discipline players and have them simply leave. Attendance is spotty enough as it is. Of course, there were always those who considerred anything as a chance to show-off so they ignored /assist anyway, but I couldn't get the healers to go along with me and ignore the showoffs when handing out cures/buffs.

[Peldin]

Lol man I came to the bst forum and all I find is a bunch of whining and griping. Seriously I think I even read a post where people were talking about quitting bc TH dropped from 3 to 1 on dipper and falcor. What a bunch of spoiled children.
I recently leveled a bst and I feel incredibly overpowered compared to my other 4 jobs.
I could go bst/dnc to pretty much anything. My ninja has great gear and it is a fairly intense fight for me to solo some things as nin/dnc. I don't get nearly the same drop rate as my thf but the survivability I thought, was great. Then I leveled up bst and got some pdt axes and I can basically afk the same fights and get a better drop rate.
Even after the change, I still get a better drop rate than my nin. I can just sub thf in abyssea. Sometimes I sub nin tho for chance at yellow. In dynamis I still sub dnc for procs and get about 40-50 more coins per clear than my friend who goes thf/dnc and has WAY better gear and weapons than I do. I got nothing to complain about but it looks like a lot of you just need a diaper change or something

[Vandheer]

Even after the change, I still get a better drop rate than my nin.

As far as i know the changes have not been made towards the bst pet nerf. Though I may be wrong.

[Vold]

Lol man I came to the bst forum and all I find is a bunch of whining and griping. Seriously I think I even read a post where people were talking about quitting bc TH dropped from 3 to 1 on dipper and falcor. What a bunch of spoiled children.
I recently leveled a bst and I feel incredibly overpowered compared to my other 4 jobs.
I could go bst/dnc to pretty much anything. My ninja has great gear and it is a fairly intense fight for me to solo some things as nin/dnc. I don't get nearly the same drop rate as my thf but the survivability I thought, was great. Then I leveled up bst and got some pdt axes and I can basically afk the same fights and get a better drop rate.
Even after the change, I still get a better drop rate than my nin. I can just sub thf in abyssea. Sometimes I sub nin tho for chance at yellow. In dynamis I still sub dnc for procs and get about 40-50 more coins per clear than my friend who goes thf/dnc and has WAY better gear and weapons than I do. I got nothing to complain about but it looks like a lot of you just need a diaper change or somethingPet TH changes haven't been implemented yet. And TH1 is never going to beat TH2 on anything ever.

[Mnkknm]

Lol man I came to the bst forum and all I find is a bunch of whining and griping. Seriously I think I even read a post where people were talking about quitting bc TH dropped from 3 to 1 on dipper and falcor. What a bunch of spoiled children.
I recently leveled a bst and I feel incredibly overpowered compared to my other 4 jobs.
I could go bst/dnc to pretty much anything. My ninja has great gear and it is a fairly intense fight for me to solo some things as nin/dnc. I don't get nearly the same drop rate as my thf but the survivability I thought, was great. Then I leveled up bst and got some pdt axes and I can basically afk the same fights and get a better drop rate.
Even after the change, I still get a better drop rate than my nin. I can just sub thf in abyssea. Sometimes I sub nin tho for chance at yellow. In dynamis I still sub dnc for procs and get about 40-50 more coins per clear than my friend who goes thf/dnc and has WAY better gear and weapons than I do. I got nothing to complain about but it looks like a lot of you just need a diaper change or something

I think you said u dont get better drop rate on thf then u do on bst. I think it would be the gear ur wearing. I have solo on bst in dyna good 95% of the time and the other 5% with other ppl. From bst alone i make around 100-150ish coin depending on where i camp. Other times i duo with a thf with th8 if he proc and i get around 200-300 and about 600% more forgotten so saying that bst has a better drop rate then thf isnt correct. I dont have good gear on bst at all other then axe -10 psy hit for pet so its great to solo in dyna with this set up. I have tried to solo on dc in dyna and took about 10mins for the fight for one mob(whitemage mob). And if i have a friend that can solo it in about 1-3mins i think its not fare to say that bst has more power then nin(and nin has a good weapon and ok good gear). Also i have seen thf solo and duoing alot faster then my bst again bst has more power then other jobs isnt correct at all. and when u state that ppl are whining your doing the same thing whining about the ppl whining. So plz if you dont have anything good to say about us whining about bst plz dont say it. O and one more think if TH3 is now TH does that mean we get 1/3 of the drop rate?

[Komori]

Not that I agree with the person above you but you just said your BST doesn't have great gear but others with good gear and weapons do better than you, isn't that a given?

Also getting 50 more coins with a second person tagging along isn't all that great, you would get that with anyone extra tagging along because it's double the manpower, double the chances of proccing and double the killspeed.

[Camiie]

Soooo, has anyone found the Pet: TH gear yet?

[Vandheer]

Not yet, not sure if its been added yet as it isn't on any of the armor added to FF (see link bellow). Perhaps synergy? :X

http://www.ffxiah.com/new-items/2012-03-26

[Camiie]

Not yet, not sure if its been added yet as it isn't on any of the armor added to FF (see link bellow). Perhaps synergy? :X

http://www.ffxiah.com/new-items/2012-03-26


Yeah I looked over that list and saw the same load of nothing. I'm sure the nerf was simply a far, far higher priority than adding in our partial rebate.

I dunno if I'm supposed to do this, but I'd like to request the reps check with the devs to see when this gear might be implemented or if it has been already and it just hasn't been found. Are we currently testing the balance of this adjustment to see if the gear will be implemented at all? Any answers would be very much appreciated.

[Vandheer]

I agree with you Camiie. It would be greatly appreciated if we could at-least know what's up with pet: treasure hunter being on armor peaces and when it would be added. ;o I know the team releases information on a need to know basis but we already know they said they would be adding some armor parts that give treasure hunter so can we at-least know if its synergy or if its in testing?

[Louispv]

I agree with you Camiie. It would be greatly appreciated if we could at-least know what's up with pet: treasure hunter being on armor peaces and when it would be added. ;o I know the team releases information on a need to know basis but we already know they said they would be adding some armor parts that give treasure hunter so can we at-least know if its synergy or if its in testing?

They aren't adding any gear. They said straight out, we will not get equal or stronger TH than a /THF. Unless the level cap goes to level 180 anyway, then maybe there will be one piece.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

They aren't adding any gear. They said straight out, we will not get equal or stronger TH than a /THF. Unless the level cap goes to level 180 anyway, then maybe there will be one piece.

No, they said:


As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.

-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.

So you're wrong.

[Glamdring]

what Dan said. However, there've been many announcements of things they were going to do, or "looking in to" or "is being addressed" that simply haven't happened and seem to have been swept under the rug. To that extent Louis has a point. Possible they threw us a bone with the gear announcement... and are just hoping it lasts while they never put it in.

Seriously, when they announced they had no intention to actually fix the TH ability itself I was pretty sure this was another one of their bogus announcements. There are alot of (justifiably) butt-hurt thieves out there angerred that placebo hunter isn't enough to get them parties. Giving us the ability to get back the TH they just took away would just enrage them more.

[Camiie]

They aren't adding any gear. They said straight out, we will not get equal or stronger TH than a /THF. Unless the level cap goes to level 180 anyway, then maybe there will be one piece.


See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

[Daniel_Hatcher]

See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

They don't include gear into it, they're strictly talking natural job traits.

[Camiie]

They don't include gear into it, they're strictly talking natural job traits.

Ah ha. If this is only about natural job traits and doesn't include gear then there was never an issue and the nerf should never have happened. BST doesn't have a natural Treasure Hunter job trait at all. How does it access Treasure Hunter? By using /THF or through the use of jugs. What are jugs? Jugs are gear. Taking gear out of the equation means that BST can never rise above Tier 3 no matter how much Treasure Hunter Yuly and Falcorr have.

[Jackastheripper]

Wait....so you are telling me that a job that involves taming/calling forth pets to fight for you and, historically, has nothing to do with finding treasure is getting an ability that it wouldn't naturally have is getting nerfed?!?!?! /sadface4you

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

[Camiie]

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

BST doesn't naturally have Treasure Hunter. I just got through saying that. The 2 jug pets do because they are THFs. BST pets, historically, have the traits but not the abilities of the jobs they are. The only ways BST can access TH is by subbing THF or through the use of gear, namely jugs.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ah ha. If this is only about natural job traits and doesn't include gear then there was never an issue and the nerf should never have happened. BST doesn't have a natural Treasure Hunter job trait at all. How does it access Treasure Hunter? By using /THF or through the use of jugs. What are jugs? Jugs are gear. Taking gear out of the equation means that BST can never rise above Tier 3 no matter how much Treasure Hunter Yuly and Falcorr have.

Sigh! Really?

[Camiie]

Sigh! Really?

Yeah, really. Any other questions?

[Calamity]

Wait....so you are telling me that a job that involves taming/calling forth pets to fight for you and, historically, has nothing to do with finding treasure is getting an ability that it wouldn't naturally have is getting nerfed?!?!?! /sadface4you

I would expect Corsair to get a TH trait way before BST. Be happy you have something that you shouldn't naturally have anyway.

Eh, for starters it's not us that has a trait, it's our pet. Thf job pet. And if your saying a thf pet shouldn't have TH then you're saying a mnk pet shouldn't have counter, and a war pet shouldn't be able to double attack. Basically in the end you're saying that no pet should be in any way distinguishable from any other beyond their tp moves and mob type. TH, DA, TA, counter, whatever, it all amounts to exactly the same thing regardless of how much more useful one is than the other.

And ok, cor having TH may make sense, but why is a rng allowed to have exclusive rights to the second highest TH tier? That makes no sense from any asthetical point of view, or at the very least, no more sense than bst.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah, really. Any other questions?

Nope! You may continue living in that box of yours.

[Camiie]

Nope! You may continue living in that box of yours.

The box that says the nerf was pointless by SE's own reasoning? That's fine. Maybe I'll cut a window in the side and put in some curtains. It's actually a pretty nice box.

[Dethard]

See that's the thing. They've painted themselves into a corner. They can either break the new Treasure Hunter hierarchy thus rendering the reason for the nerf pointless, or they can keep the hierarchy intact but not add this gear thus breaking their word. Even adding one piece will raise Yuly and Falcorr to /THF level of TH II. That raises them to tier 3 of the hierarchy when they're supposed to remain at tier 4. Someone at SE didn't think this thing through very well, but that's just me being Captain Obvious.

The new TH hierarchy:
1. Thief
2. Ranger
3. Support job thief
4. Other jobs

The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened. To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.

[Calamity]

The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened. To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.

I really don't see what one has to do with the other. How is an automaton casting spells at the equivalent of it's level more acceptable than a thf jug having TH also at the equivalent of it's level?

[Dethard]

I really don't see what one has to do with the other. How is an automaton casting spells at the equivalent of it's level more acceptable than a thf jug having TH also at the equivalent of it's level?

The similarity between them is that when a PUP calls an automaton with the spiritreaver head they expect it to act like a BLM and cast the appropriate spells, same for a BST when they call a THF type pet, they expect it to have THF like traits such as TH and evasion.

[Camiie]

The thing is that by using this logic the nerf should never have happened.

That's my point in a nutshell.


To get TH a BST calls a THF pet, and as it is a THF it should be at tier 1. Just like when a PUP calls their automaton with a spiritreaver head it is a mini BLM, I do not see people asking for PUP automatons to be nerfed because they can cast tier V nukes.


And THFs have access to far more TH than these pets do, so it's not like they're being outdone unless they're running around naked and not using their abilities. If they are then that's their problem, and no reason for any sort of nerf.

[Arkitan]

And SE wonders why us players have to talk bad about them! SE shows their stupidity time and again when they do this kind of stuff! (I am so trying not to be vulgar) I hate ISPs! (Incredibly stupid people) i.e: SE

[Luvbunny]

So where are the gears that add treasure hunter back to our pets? Where are these!! Ridiculous!!

[Caketime]

Those TH gears will probably be added 6 months after we all select a new main job.