99 Weapons Rant (yeah yeah another)

[Nala]

Why must the 99 mythic and relic weapons be retardedly difficult to achieve?

Unlike Empy weapons which are relatively easy to make, in mythics case a player has perservered through probably one of the most daunting pre requisites to just arrive at 75, which considering your new line of thought for these trials its pretty much now just the starting line. Not only are you forcing the rare mythic player to do content that's outdated, but its relatively unrewarding by comparison to VW.

In a similar respect you have relics, by comparison the quest side of a relic weapon is less grueling however depending you're still talking about a massive time investment in either the capacity of farming your own currency or farming the gil to buy it. this is all once again just to make the 75 which as with the mythics is just the starting line of another whole series of quests one must do to achieve the end result: fight a seriously bogus NM, a NM that has nothing of value to any average or hardcore player, a NM that you're not garunteed victory, a NM that according to your vision will require 17 people like mythics to selflessly sacrifice their time for the greater good, or a greedy linkshell leader, something which you specifically stated you wanted to prevent hence your GROSSLY misconceived VW drop system.

That's not all, you made dynamis an open air zone, but this NM only has one ??? hell the pop set nms are the same, furthermore you're going to spend the majority of a run farming a single pop set, fight him once, maybe win, and the best part is the upgrade item may not even be 100% drop. considering this game has no true PvP aren't we meant to band together and team up? not fight over spawn points and rare drops.

I'm not going to say i agree with the 95 Empy trial quantity however its somewhat understandable, HMP are like the Alex/ancient currency stage for the mythics/relics, save for your able to complete a useful form of this weapon before having to be confronted with HMP stage. Thing is with your vision for the later trials for empyrean weapons, it's at least somewhat attainable, people are already running your poorly designed hamster wheel named VW for the 100th++ time for that x drop they wanted, Empy 99 items will actually be generated, there will be supply and demand for these items.

With that ive said most of what i wanted in reguards to the trials directly and move on to an aside: Square games have been a major part of my life and the greatest influence that caused me inevitably to become a gamer, however over the years i've seen some of my favorite series (mana/seiken densetsu) become shovel ware, with the way 14 was handled, and the way 11 is now being handled between the lack of reguard for your CUSTOMER'S concerns, the scavenging of our dev team without even reducing our monthly fees and your overbearing need to balance a game you've no clue about.

Edit: Oh and i didnt even address the afterglow trials, while im glad that you decided to downgrade from comic book super villain type evil to regular corporate corruption level of evil by spliting the trials, but why bother even having this effect in the game, considering you said the stage 2 will share the trial item for stage 1 but still require the super villain level of dedication, which according to the test server these afterglow effects arent even that potent, perhaps the real afterglows will rock your socks off and you wanted to keep this secret, remember the last time you kept secrets? The formula for beating AV the "right" way is still a giant mystery. My point is for the level of upgrade VS your pure unadulterated insanity you will never see a stage 2 99.

I think i'm done with your company, i may still play 11 until the final word comes out on these trials, should you still choose to ignore the very loud and obvious outcry from the entire community i will be done with this game, you have lost your grasp on reality and sanity, its been said many times before there are MMO's as old as this game that still recieve full expantions, there are many new MMO's that are better for the pure fact that they have full dev teams that are willing to cater to thier costumer. PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES, your not saving any face by sticking with your decisions, you're losing it.

[Babekeke]

Why are the best weapons in the game hard to get?

hhhhmmmmmm

[Damane]

this so many times this. Cant agree more with Nala.

[Insaniac]

Complete lack of understanding.

Why do people defend content that no one wants to do?

The gripe from most isn't that this takes effort. It's that it takes bullshit effort. Doing an ADL run is already dull enough to prevent 99.9% of players from ever even attempting it and you think it's a good idea to force people to kill it dozens of times? It's not too hard it's just not even slightly fun. It's frustrating and annoying and it's a shitty thing to force on people.

[Hercule]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SptqJr7wtY4/SMxjJbolaZI/AAAAAAAAAxM/HfKLhFYpw7I/s400/crying-child.jpg

complaining power will give you the candy... or not

[Karbuncle]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SptqJr7wtY4/SMxjJbolaZI/AAAAAAAAAxM/HfKLhFYpw7I/s400/crying-child.jpg

complaining power will give you the candy... or not

I can't tell if you're incredibly stupid or just a bad troll.

Also Clarify: Are you stating the Trials for 99 Relics are reasonable?

Can you clarify for me? I would hate to improperly judge you.

[Hercule]

i just think it's not the good way to cry to get something, and certainly not publicly insulting SE devs

[Damane]

i just think it's not the good way to cry to get something, and certainly not publicly insulting SE devs

There is a difference between crying and voicing your own opinion. People here are voicing their opinion and concerns in terms of the lvl 99 stage 1 trial, meanwhile the Devs are blatantly ignoreing them and actually trying to tell us they are REASONABLE, which in itself is a fucking insult to every player that has a brain.

[Tamoa]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SptqJr7wtY4/SMxjJbolaZI/AAAAAAAAAxM/HfKLhFYpw7I/s400/crying-child.jpg

complaining power will give you the candy... or not

So when you are unhappy about something, you don't complain or try to change whatever it is you're unhappy about?

We, the playerbase, can't literally do something about these trials. So what's left for us to do? Oh right, our only option is to complain. Complain as in - like Damane said - voice our opinions on the matter.

[Rezeak]

my issue w/ these 99 trails is this .....

Relic should of been complete at 75 the trails after should just be token trails to 99 (f afterglow and leet status we have new content to move on to)

Mythic where ....... insane and well to tell someone that made a mythic after all the bs they had to do that it's not even complete is dumb....

Even empyrean are dumb there were ment to be the ABYSSEA weapon but were used to sustain VW while it's kinda fine it would of been nice if SE put a note next to empyrean that there would be a coin type stage either way.

As for why people are complaining so hard about this is because SE just stopped listening to our feedback and it's nothing to do with the community team since they seem to be doing a great job but the director/producer/w/e just ignores what we want.

[Anewie]

We have one of these threads already...

why not post in that one?
spamming the board with different threads on the same issue will only annoy users and get you banned.

This thread will be deleted, just like the other ones.

Use the already massive thread for this.

[Insaniac]

i just think it's not the good way to cry to get something, and certainly not publicly insulting SE devsSo when you want something you don't say or do anything and you get it?

You must be reading....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/TheSecretLogo.jpg/220px-TheSecretLogo.jpg

[Hercule]

So when you want something you don't say or do anything and you get it?

You must be reading....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/TheSecretLogo.jpg/220px-TheSecretLogo.jpg

No, in my opinion, you just need to argue with fact, in respect and expose your ideas, and dont start your thread like: "SE you fucking retard, you stupid!!!! kick the devs!!!! ...etc~"

And i agree with your general idea, relic mythic, empy update is probably too hard at moment, but i bet SE planing to made it easyer soon (Drop from Bastion Legion? idk)
I just dont agree how you talk to the devs on their forums, we have to respect them i think

[Vold]

It's hard to give respect when they don't give us any. They have no regard or respect that we are human beings paying them money to play their game. How many times must we do this dance? They announce something way too time consuming because they lack man power to release quality content in quantity. We bitch. They tone stuff down. But not always...


You'd think they would learn after a dozen times or more that stuff like these trials are not acceptable. But as long as just one person wants to do them without complaint, it's all good, apparently.

[Creelo]

And i agree with your general idea, relic mythic, empy update is probably too hard at moment, but i bet SE planing to made it easyer soon (Drop from Bastion? idk)
I just dont agree how you talk to the devs on their forums, we have to respect them i think

Oh hun, you need to just stop. x.x

[Tamoa]

My guess is he means Legion, not Bastion.

[Hercule]

My guess is he means Legion, not Bastion.

Oh yeah sorry i wanted to say Legion, made a mistake, ill edit

[Nala]

So did they take down the other longer standing threads in regards to the 99 trials? furthermore the relic trial in its current form is still a far cry from better, though 5 drops is almost a tolerable number, unlike the other two weapons at relics are forced into a zone that's extremely time constricted only to farm a pop set for an NM they may not beat, so that one member may upgrade their relic.

In accordance with your vision of which trials should be the hardest you are failing hardcore.

[Unctgtg]

So SE nuked the other thread because they know that we are right................ Just goes to show you they don't listen to us.

[Maacha]

We have one of these threads already...

why not post in that one?
spamming the board with different threads on the same issue will only annoy users and get you banned.

This thread will be deleted, just like the other ones.

Use the already massive thread for this.

The massive thread is now gone, along with many good responses. I doubt we can get those back, but we need to continue the fight somehow. 5 items (the revised number, posted not long before the big thread was killed) would be reasonable, if they drop from normal DL or from the Arch city bosses. Anything involving ADL is impractical and impossible for the majority of players.

[Washburn]

Whoever nuked the other thread did it to break up the rally against the dev team. It's a shame they took the cowardous way out. All they're really doing is pissing me off even more. Douchebags...

[Nala]

Hence why in the largest one of them i had suggested we all create our own threads, to not only bombard them with likes but overwhelm them with threads, seems it was a good thing i actually executed my own advice i originally was just going to see if it caught on, didn't think they would nuke away the major thread.

[Vold]

I'm amazed a thread with rep responses in it got deleted. Doing it is about as bad of a move as you can do in the PR department.

[Vagrua]

This thread will be deleted, just like the other ones.

Use the already massive thread for this.

I really doubt people want to restate their opinions all over again if SE will just nuke the thread every time from negative feedback. The other thread had over 400 posts and 30k+ views. The current is only @ 173 posts and 11k views and it could be nuked also.

I also think it's a very low move to delete a thread full of so much feedback just because of one or two people. I'm betting the negative feedback had a play in the deletion though.

[Zarchery]

There is a difference between crying and voicing your own opinion. People here are voicing their opinion and concerns in terms of the lvl 99 stage 1 trial, meanwhile the Devs are blatantly ignoreing them and actually trying to tell us they are REASONABLE, which in itself is a fucking insult to every player that has a brain.

The Devs are ignoring you? Didn't they lower the requirements for stage 1 from like 20 to 5 or 3?

They're not ignoring you. Their just not giving you everything you want after your series of temper tantrums and waving around the "I'm a customer, you must do what I say all the time!" flag.

[Sparthos]

The Devs are ignoring you? Didn't they lower the requirements for stage 1 from like 20 to 5 or 3?

They're not ignoring you. Their just not giving you everything you want after your series of temper tantrums and waving around the "I'm a customer, you must do what I say all the time!" flag.

Because knocking it from 20 to 5 somehow solves the issue of ADL being a luck-based crapshoot, gives people not doing relic trials incentive to assist and handles the distribution of one drop across X number of relics.

[Cream_Soda]

Not sure why people keep saying how easy emps are compared to relic and mythic. Mythic is by far the hardest, but going to 95, I don't see how relic is any more difficult than an emp.

Gil wise, plates should be as much, if not more than the the base relic and then the rest of the trials, are ass easy for relics as compared to anything else.

[wish12oz]

99 Empyrean trials are stupid, mythic is easy, relic is just plain garbage.


The Devs are ignoring you? Didn't they lower the requirements for stage 1 from like 20 to 5 or 3?

They're not ignoring you. Their just not giving you everything you want after your series of temper tantrums and waving around the "I'm a customer, you must do what I say all the time!" flag.

You say that like it was just him, and wasn't 100+ people who were angry about the trials.

[Geabrielle]

I would be fine with the 60 dross/cinder if: More than 2 mobs dropped them and the previous requirement wasn't a glaring 1500 items. From what I understand very few Empyrean owners made a stink because they were being told to 'shut up and spam VW you've got easy PUGable content'. Hopefully the next chapter will see more singles or dross/cinder clusters or even a decrease to 30 items.

Well ... I'd love to see those 1500 cut in half at least or perhaps 200 to 300? for the sake of correcting the glaring issue in the stages of progression. Yes, Empy owners are well ingrained and resigned to fetching x amount from PITA monster but at least the promise of 1 and the possibility of 2 kept tedium to a minimal. Increase the chance of obtaining single plates and the probability of plate pouches, because its sad when my bazaar stash of riftsand and silver mirrors over the course of a run is 10-20 while my plate prospects remains barely 1 to 3.

Everything else at this point is 'nod and smile' ....

[Hercule]

I would be fine with the 60 dross/cinder if: More than 2 mobs dropped them and the previous requirement wasn't a glaring 1500 items. From what I understand very few Empyrean owners made a stink because they were being told to 'shut up and spam VW you've got easy PUGable content'. Hopefully the next chapter will see more singles or dross/cinder clusters or even a decrease to 30 items.

Well ... I'd love to see those 1500 cut in half at least or perhaps 200 to 300? for the sake of correcting the glaring issue in the stages of progression. Yes, Empy owners are well ingrained and resigned to fetching x amount from PITA monster but at least the promise of 1 and the possibility of 2 kept tedium to a minimal. Increase the chance of obtaining single plates and the probability of plate pouches, because its sad when my bazaar stash of riftsand and silver mirrors over the course of a run is 10-20 while my plate prospects remains barely 1 to 3.

Everything else at this point is 'nod and smile' ....

SE said for the 10th anniversary of FFXI (+ the year of Dragon) they are planing big surpsie/new content, maybe new continent? we cant know now but, i think we should just wait and see...
Maybe all this stuff will be alot easyer...

Imagine if @ LV 75 SE said "ok guys for lv 99 we plan to get you a new WS! for unlock it you just need 100 Merit points! (+15 Merit to unlock the quest) :D" (When, back at that time it was a pain to get even 10 merit pts)

[Babekeke]

Why do people defend content that no one wants to do?

The gripe from most isn't that this takes effort. It's that it takes bullshit effort. Doing an ADL run is already dull enough to prevent 99.9% of players from ever even attempting it and you think it's a good idea to force people to kill it dozens of times? It's not too hard it's just not even slightly fun. It's frustrating and annoying and it's a shitty thing to force on people.

And you say I don't understand? I understand completely. If you want to get the best weapons in the game, you have to do stupid retarded stuff.

Look back to ffxi 9 for example. You happily play through the game and as you get to quite a high level, you think "I'll get a guide to see if there's a really good weapon that I can get that I've missed". In said guide, it says that you actually had to NOT open several treasure chests as you progressed through the game. 1 of which was even in the prologue before the main part of the game even started. If you want the uberweapon, you now have to completely restart the game to get it.

You have 2 choices. you can stick with your level 95 weapon, which is superior to all weapons apart from the level 99 versions; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to upgrade to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.
Personally I choose not to do them. You may all make your own choices.

The other thing is that people insist on ciomplaining about this content even though it hasn't even been implimented yet.

[Spiritreaver]

And you say I don't understand? I understand completely. If you want to get the best weapons in the game, you have to do stupid retarded stuff.

Look back to ffxi 9 for example. You happily play through the game and as you get to quite a high level, you think "I'll get a guide to see if there's a really good weapon that I can get that I've missed". In said guide, it says that you actually had to NOT open several treasure chests as you progressed through the game. 1 of which was even in the prologue before the main part of the game even started. If you want the uberweapon, you now have to completely restart the game to get it.

You have 2 choices. you can stick with your level 95 weapon, which is superior to all weapons apart from the level 99 versions; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to upgrade to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.
Personally I choose not to do them. You may all make your own choices.

The other thing is that people insist on ciomplaining about this content even though it hasn't even been implimented yet.

Wasn't that FFXII? The Zodiac w/e?

[Unctgtg]

it is far easier to change when it is in development then when it is already in the game.

[cidbahamut]

And you say I don't understand? I understand completely. If you want to get the best weapons in the game, you have to do stupid retarded stuff.

Realy that's already been covered by just building the base 75 weapon in the case of relics and mythics, and heavy metal plates covered it for Emps. Everything from that point on should just be routine maintenance.



You have 2 choices. you can stick with your level 95 weapon, which is superior to all weapons apart from the level 99 versions; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to upgrade to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.
Personally I choose not to do them. You may all make your own choices.


That's not a choice, that's bad game design. No one's forcing them to keep playing a game with many poorly thought out design choices either. You let stuff like that slide often enough and the playerbase will just pack up and leave. It's not like FFXI is the only game on the market, and there are plenty of more promising options on the horizon.

[Lafaiel]

And you say I don't understand? I understand completely. If you want to get the best weapons in the game, you have to do stupid retarded stuff.

Look back to ffxi 9 for example. You happily play through the game and as you get to quite a high level, you think "I'll get a guide to see if there's a really good weapon that I can get that I've missed". In said guide, it says that you actually had to NOT open several treasure chests as you progressed through the game. 1 of which was even in the prologue before the main part of the game even started. If you want the uberweapon, you now have to completely restart the game to get it.

You have 2 choices. you can stick with your level 95 weapon, which is superior to all weapons apart from the level 99 versions; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to upgrade to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.
Personally I choose not to do them. You may all make your own choices.

The other thing is that people insist on ciomplaining about this content even though it hasn't even been implimented yet.

I don'r remember having to wait for 18 of my friends to log in to get that weapon in FF9 though, maybe its been so long I just don't remember right.... Back then I though I had a party ready to go at all times, guess they didn't have anything better to do.

[Jasonw]

It's hard to give respect when they don't give us any. They have no regard or respect that we are human beings paying them money to play their game. How many times must we do this dance? They announce something way too time consuming because they lack man power to release quality content in quantity. We bitch. They tone stuff down. But not always...


You'd think they would learn after a dozen times or more that stuff like these trials are not acceptable. But as long as just one person wants to do them without complaint, it's all good, apparently.

I think SE is shifting it's main Mmorpg future on FFXIV not FFXI,of course there is going to come a time when FFXI is actually going to shut down because i don't believe SE would want to release and keep running two final fanasy MMORPG's for a sustance long peroid of time.

Maybe they will shift FFXI off to a F2P and keep FFXIV as the premium,P2P Final Fantasy.

[Nynja]

You have 2 choices. you can stick with your level 95 weapon, which is superior to all weapons apart from the level 99 versions; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to upgrade to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.
Personally I choose not to do them. You may all make your own choices.

Then why is SE adjusting the 95 cap fight? you can stick with your level 95 character, which is superior to all previous levels apart from the level 96+; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to break the cap to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.

Yet SE is babying the lvl cap trial.

[Scribble]

I think SE is shifting it's main Mmorpg future on FFXIV not FFXI,of course there is going to come a time when FFXI is actually going to shut down because i don't believe SE would want to release and keep running two final fanasy MMORPG's for a sustance long peroid of time.

SE will keep FFXI running as long as it makes them money; they're a business remember. The day SE considers shutting down XI is the day that they don't have enough subscriptions to cover the costs of server upkeep and maintenance.

When KFC started selling the ever popular extra-crispy chocobo they didn't just stop offering original recipe. As long as the revenue coming in from demand exceeds the costs to produce a product or offer a service, they will continue to offer it.

[Natasha]

SE will keep FFXI running as long as it makes them money; they're a business remember. The day SE considers shutting down XI is the day that they don't have enough subscriptions to cover the costs of server upkeep and maintenance.

When KFC started selling the ever popular extra-crispy chocobo they didn't just stop offering original recipe. As long as the revenue coming in from demand exceeds the costs to produce a product or offer a service, they will continue to offer it.

This isn't exactly true as they could figure they could put the people who are doing the upkeep on ffxi on a MORE profitable project and shut it down for that reason.

[Damane]

I would like to see the Forum clusterfucked with Topics/Threads to the lvl 99 stage 1 Trial (I'm serious) can people fullfill my dream ._.?

[Natasha]

I would like to see the Forum clusterfucked with Topics/Threads to the lvl 99 stage 1 Trial (I'm serious) can people fullfill my dream ._.?

It seems people are getting tired of fighting a bit. I would still like to see it changed myself.

[Nala]

TBH the only trial that needs adjusting at this time is the ADL trial since they further lowered the requirements along with a few other changes they announced, its the only trial where you are subjugated to a time limit and physical limit of once a day.

At 10 drops from PW was withing the realm of reason, that is assuming the change to zeni per plate at 10x the going rate actually goes through.

So lets see:

1. Potential that you can fail to kill ADL.

2. Requires you to build pop sets under a time limit.

3. Limited frequency of access to ADL per day.

4. Lacks auxiliary drops worthwhile enough to attract any other player but relic holders.

5. Only drops 1 per fight

6. Fight requires PD from Alexander limiting your ability to fight multiple pops should you succeed in making more then one pop set.

7. Despite being an open access zone the intermediate NMs and ADL currently only have 1 set of ???

8. The number of relic holders vs any other type of weapon is a much higher ratio

Add all these factors together makes this trial really ill conceived, by comparison to PW where peeps can casually put together PW pop sets or VW which is up to date content that peeps actually spam thus empy upgrade items will be generated.

Here's my suggestion for the aforementioned issiues:

1. Apply the end tier VW NM AOE deal to ADL that is only the main target receives full damage.

2. Decrease the requirements for making an ADL pop set.

3. Compensate for the limited access by either adding other sources of umbral marrow or increasing yield per fight.

4. Revamp drops from ADL to offer a greater reward for outside parties assisting (like ive seen suggested 1-4 100 pieces).

5. Already addressed this.

6. Tone ADL back.

7. Increase the ??? for all NM's involved with ADL, assuming people actually manage to gather shout groups this can/could become the greatest block when several linkshells/groups are after ADL at the same time.

8. Pretty much either make all the above changes or scrap the marrow trail for 99 relic and rethink it because as i know you love to throw around the word balance well right now relic trials are anything but balanced by comparison to its counterparts.

[Babekeke]

Then why is SE adjusting the 95 cap fight? you can stick with your level 95 character, which is superior to all previous levels apart from the level 96+; or you can do stupidretardedtrial to break the cap to 99. You have a choice. Noone is forcing you do do anything.

Yet SE is babying the lvl cap trial.

That fight wasn't hard in the first place with a decent setup.

And SE will almost certainly be 'babying' these trials. Be it this year, next year or whenever.

Edit: Oh look I'm too late...



Greetings.

Some of you have already posted the information that was on the Japanese forums, but here it is again, officially.

Required number of items
As a result of adjustments to match the trial difficulty, the below are the current numbers that are planned for the stage 1 version of the weapon upgrades.

Relic Weapons: 5 items
Mythic Weapons: 3 items
Empyrean Weapons: 60 items


※As we are currently carefully looking into the number of items required for stage 2, we will let you know the specifics once the information is available.

[Nynja]

...the presumed items were dropped to 5/3/60 2 days ago...the trial still isnt babied at 5 adl items

[Babekeke]

Within 6 months of these trials going live, 90% of lvl 95 relic owners will have upgraded to 99. Whether they fought or bought their items.

[Nynja]

would you like to wager that?

[Babekeke]

would you like to wager that?

If it was possible, I would.

[Jasonw]

This isn't exactly true as they could figure they could put the people who are doing the upkeep on ffxi on a MORE profitable project and shut it down for that reason.

Right,they wouldn't want to risk letting there new MMORPG go down the pan for the sake of supporting both games when they can shift there full effort on to the game they think is going to have the most long term success.

But my other idea against what scribble said is that if it is the case they will let the game still run as long as it's making a profit why pour millions of $$$ into another mmorpg title when the last one is in a healthy profitable state?It's because no mmorpg hold's it's subscriber base for years on end and eventually they got to make something new to hold interest of not just old players but new-alike.

[Damane]

Within 6 months of these trials going live, 90% of lvl 95 relic owners will have upgraded to 99. Whether they fought or bought their items.

definitly not

[wish12oz]

Within 6 months of these trials going live, 90% of lvl 95 relic owners will have upgraded to 99. Whether they fought or bought their items.

Will you sell me upgrade items for relics?