Guest or New Player 20min default log out

[Zikon]

Hey Dev's

I have one simple matter I'd like resolved.

When you log into a character for the first time or use a guest log in the default Auto-Disconnect is 20 minutes.

Please Please Please put the default to "OFF"

I know this is a small concern for many people however it's pretty dumb to always need to remember to hit OFF during log in process or after log in process.

There is no real need to have it preset at 20 minutes anyone that wants that type of option will set it however if you ask the player base I can guarantee you that 80% or higher have it saved at OFF.

I know this isn't an issue for many people who have the OFF position saved but for guest log in and new characters it's very frustrating...

Thank you.


Edit:

Gildrein or Camate please ask the dev's if this could be done along side the config update!!!

Please.

[Babekeke]

I can't even think of a single reason that anyone would want to have it set to automatically log you out. Not after 20 mins, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, never.

[Zikon]

bump up :( please make default for automatic disconnect OFF.

[Lushipur]

I can't even think of a single reason that anyone would want to have it set to automatically log you out. Not after 20 mins, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, never.

As the login process remeber every day:

Remember you have a family, friends, a work....

:P

[Arcon]

That one got me on several occasions, I approve of the suggestions. Auto-disconnect is from the 90s. And not the good part of the 90s either. It should have never made it to this millennium.

[Babekeke]

As the login process remeber every day:

Remember you have a family, friends, a work....

:P

If you never log out, you never see that message ;p

But I mean, if you want to leave your char AFK while bazaaring, you don't want to just guess how long it will be before your stuff is sold and have your char log out after an hour. And rarely will you go away on holiday having forgotten to log your mule off and need it to auto-log so it's not wasting your electricity/internet usage.

Unless they implement a system where you can choose to have your char auto-log off once bazaar is empty XD

[Zikon]

Up to the top

Lets change the Auto Disconnect default from 20min to Off!

[Rewyen]

Simple answer is if you plan to log in and NOT move for twenty or more minutes, just manually switch it. It takes all of three seconds to do and asking devs to auto default it for you in stead of just changing it yourself (which WILL not reset until you change it again) is just lazy.

[Ladycandygem]

It takes all of three seconds to do and asking devs to auto default it for you in stead of just changing it yourself (which WILL not reset until you change it again) is just lazy.

The problem is that Playonline Viewer will only remember 4 accounts (another thing that should be changed). So for anyone with more than 4 accounts available they have to sometimes log in as a guest. When you are a guest the auto-logout is set to 20 minutes, even if you changed it last time you logged on to that account.

Sometimes you forget to change the setting, and come back from an afk to find you have logged out. This shouldn't happen.

[Arcon]

Simple answer is if you plan to log in and NOT move for twenty or more minutes, just manually switch it. It takes all of three seconds to do and asking devs to auto default it for you in stead of just changing it yourself (which WILL not reset until you change it again) is just lazy.

Because I'm too lazy to explain to you just why your argument is stupid, I'll just use math instead: It would take them all of half a second to change the default, which would save everyone doing this three seconds every time it happens, which adds up to a lot. Simple math, laziness wins.

[Rewyen]

Love the sarcasm :)

So let me get this straight... it would be easier for a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop and re-write a code to auto-default a setting that is plain as day switchable in-game under the settings menu and will not reset upon logging out? I just wanna make sure we're clear on laziness here.

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/d/d0/Config_Menu_(Global).PNG

[Arcon]

So let me get this straight... it would be easier for a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop and re-write a code to auto-default a setting that is plain as day switchable in-game under the settings menu and will not reset upon logging out?

Yes. Because that "re-write of code", as you so casually call it, consists of changing a value from 10 to 0, or possibly from 1 to 0, or from either to -1, depending on how they implemented it. Admittedly, they may have forgotten how they implemented it, so it might take another 10 seconds to look at the array to see what the representation for "OFF" is. It wouldn't take "a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop" to do it, but one guy sacrificing half a minute of his lunch break. He could even do it with one hand while eating a sandwich with the other and watching his favorite daytime anime. And judging by this thread, he'd gain the respect of at least seven people from doing so. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[Rewyen]

Or...
Menu>Settings>Global>Off

I don't see how this is even remotely worthy of debate. Why not just give everyone the option to create an obese character and throw in some product placement from McDonalds if manually doing something is that much of a chore?

[Arcon]

I don't see how this is even remotely worthy of debate.

Well, then why argue if you obviously don't understand how it's of concern to us? We listed our (valid) reasons, if you don't get it, don't bother arguing. There's no argument against it, and that includes your argument for wasting development time, because it wouldn't waste any (as I've previously detailed).

You were quite correct in calling that a chore, because that's what it is. And chores are just that, chores. They're not challenge, they're not fun, hence they don't belong in any game. Being too lazy for manual labor is an indication of the modern human.

[Brytor]

and will not reset upon logging out? I just wanna make sure we're clear on laziness here.

The problem is as stated if you have more then 4 Ids you have to log in as guest for the others which does reset on logging out and you have to set it each time you log in. It's VERY annoying.

[Rewyen]

You were quite correct in calling that a chore, because that's what it is. And chores are just that, chores. They're not challenge, they're not fun, hence they don't belong in any game. Being too lazy for manual labor is an indication of the modern human.

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

Good God, I weep for this generation.

[Arcon]

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

So you're saying voice commands are bad? Better controllers are bad? Better interfaces are bad, anything that takes away from manual activity is bad? I can see why you don't understand my arguments then. You think cars are bad too right? Because they're for people who are too lazy to walk? Escalators and elevators too, because it would do people some good to lose that fat, right? And don't get me started on gas ovens! When did it become too hard for a grown man to cut down a tree and chop some firewood? Why did people get so lazy?

How does it feel knowing your generation will be replaced by machines soon? And for the better, I might add. Machines don't complain so much.

[Babekeke]

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

Good God, I weep for this generation.

You really don't seem to get it. It's not down to "Sheer laziness" as you like to put it, it's down to "Sheer forgetfulness". And it's hard to "stop being so goddam forgetful, dammit!"

[Draylo]

Something small, but this has happened to me like three times lol. It's pretty stupid and annoying, you do forget it is on because I've never EVER had this set on my characters. Why would anyone want this set anyway? Pretty silly.

[oliveira]

It's setup that way because originally players would log in to FFXI using ISDN or Dial UP (PS2 POL even supports a certain kind of Rockwell/Conexant USB based modem in a USB HUB, either NA or JP both can use it) and it would be undesirable to leave it running case the player would "waffle" (fall asleep on top of the keyboard) during their game session...

That's why it defaults to disconnect.

I'm not justifying the existence of the setting and what it defaults to. Just explaining. I would personally like it being changed as I don't think anyone would ever need or want to use FFXI in a dial-up link unless it's a matter of despair/emergency or you live in the jungle or farm. ;)

[Zarchery]

I don't understand the problem. I mean yeah it can be sort of a "gosh darn it" moment when you get autologged out, but then again, you really only have to set this once, and it's like that forever on that client and that character.

Personally, I find a bigger problem is that if you're on PC and you lock your computer, it kicks you out of the game. I don't like to leave my computer unlocked because I don't want my roommates snooping around my PC. So I have to do a total shutdown every time I need to leave the computer for more than a few minutes.

[Jasonw]

I agree it should be set to automatically off as i can't think of another MMORPG that disconnect's you for being AFK for any peroid of time.But once you find out you can change it in config. it's not a big deal but new players won't realise that but then again FFXI (i think) wasn't built for a casual audience and is more geared towards hard-core gamers who know how to set stuff up like macro's and the like.

[Arcon]

I don't understand the problem. I mean yeah it can be sort of a "gosh darn it" moment when you get autologged out, but then again, you really only have to set this once, and it's like that forever on that client and that character.

If the user is readded (a real issue for people with access to several accounts) or if users log in as guests (same thing) it will always default to off again. So it's definitely not a one-time thing. I've had to set it to off a dozen times in the last month alone.

The second issue you bring up is also very true and very relevant, but that's essentially the entire reason why Windower was created (terminating on fullscreen-loss), and they've yet to address it after almost a decade, so I don't see this getting any better. And no, the official windower is no help whatosever, before anyone brings it up.

[Rewyen]

And no, the official windower is no help whatosever, before anyone brings it up.

(b^.^)-b

I just felt like it should be known that we can agree on something, lol.

As for the rest, well... I'm all for innovation. I love new technology. Robots can do anyone's job for better, but who really cares? The one thing they can't do is self-maintain and who has to do that? People. Also... complaining is an act of defiance against an already working function that is or plans to change to accommodate to those who can't be arsed to bother with reading an instruction manual. Am I complaining? No, I am merely pointing out the fact that there is already a simple answer to this problem and everyone seems hellbent on shooting it down in favor of an easier method. It's called a counterargument to a complaint, minute as it may be, but whining about needing a development staff to change something to make your game easier is, in fact, a complaint about it. Am I actually saying that the idea is garbage? Nope. All I'm saying is that it's not a pressing issue because technically, it is unnecessary. Bickering with me does me no harm. I don't know you. Probably never will. When I log out of this forum, I'll go back to my life of walking up stairs, walking to work, changing the channel without a remote and balancing full time classes with a job and kids. That includes, doctors visits, school trips, illnesses, cooking, cleaning, homework, lab work, editing, production, a social life and even with all of that, I can still manage to remember to check my damn game settings. You would think if you log in from another computer or system often and continuously have this issue, it would sink in after one or two times that you might need to adjust the settings manually so it doesn't happen while you are NOT playing the game. The fact that you are logging in from a guest account should be a sufficient reminder that it won't default to your specific settings... To clarify:

in·san·i·ty/inˈsanitē/ (noun):
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[Juilan]

Lets just get rid of the auto log out with the cofig changes

[Juilan]

I don't understand the problem. I mean yeah it can be sort of a "gosh darn it" moment when you get autologged out, but then again, you really only have to set this once, and it's like that forever on that client and that character.

Personally, I find a bigger problem is that if you're on PC and you lock your computer, it kicks you out of the game. I don't like to leave my computer unlocked because I don't want my roommates snooping around my PC. So I have to do a total shutdown every time I need to leave the computer for more than a few minutes.

I've yet to find a registry hack to get rid of alt control delete, but you can hack your registry so meta l doesnt lock it

[Scribble]

I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

What's the problem with defaulting this setting to 'off'? Think of it this way, imagine that everyday you logged in you had to open the menu and change your inventory sort to 'auto'.

Now I understand that the number of people who have to log in as a 'guest' is not the majority, but it would take one person far less time to adjust the default setting in the menu then it does for however many people to go change the menu setting.

Note: SE has made several adjustments to UI and configuration as recently as weeks ago with more coming in the next update. That said, making these types of 'quality of life' adjustments are not below them, they obviously don't feel it's a waste of their time and it makes your argument look silly.

[Rewyen]

Well, considering when I started playing, there wasn't an option to auto-sort, it probably wouldn't be that big a deal for me as it's still an annoying reflex to manually select Auto anyway :/

To be blunt; I don't oppose this. It doesn't affect me personally, and if it makes people happy, I'm all for it. I just don't understand why some people are acting like doing it manually is the end of the world, is all. When I started playing this game, it was a totally different world. Limited storage, slow as mud level grinding and people had to actually work with each other. Now while I'm not saying this is a universal fact, but I've noticed that people who have been playing post-WotG and Abyssea are the ones who generally complain the most. It's depressing, because these people are typically the first to complain and the last to help another player in need because the game itself has become far too easy. That's my issue; the game is already easy enough, why make it less playable with additions of redundant features that only assist people who intend to log in and park somewhere for hours and not actually play?

[Scribble]

To be blunt; I don't oppose this. It doesn't affect me personally, and if it makes people happy, I'm all for it. I just don't understand why some people are acting like doing it manually is the end of the world, is all.
I must have glossed over the part where people were calling for heads or threatening to quit?


That's my issue; the game is already easy enough, why make it less playable with additions of redundant features...
I don't see how that addition would make the game less playable. You'll have to explain that one.

[Zikon]

Everyone thank you for helping me out on my quest to get this changed.

SE: Please Make a poll and have us Vote what we want. There are more and more people sharing their story's about how Auto Disconnect is an frustrating feature. Please Change Auto Disconnect at start from 20minutes to OFF. This would show progress on these forums. At least give us a Poll and let us vote!

[Rewyen]

I don't see how that addition would make the game less playable. You'll have to explain that one.

Well if the intention of having a feature enabled to NOT log you off after 20 minutes of not PLAYING was made readily available, all it would do is cause massive congestion as people would be logged in, stagnant (ie- Port Jeuno) all hours of the day doing absolutely nothing. This doesn't make it less playable, per se, but I would think it would be far more annoying walking through a mob of people than having to manually switch to auto-disconnect to off.

To touch on the "end of the world" statement; how you got threatening to quit and calling for heads out of that is your issue, but to clarify it in a language that is more clear:

http://www.harwoodperformance.bizland.com/1941buick/NoWhining.jpg

If they fix it for you all, great. If not; suck it up and do it like everyone else.

[Zikon]

If they fix it for you all, great. If not; suck it up and do it like everyone else.

You fail as a troll but thank you for constantly bumping my thread and making it become a "Hot topic" so this thread gets noticed faster.

Your every post is helping me obtain my goal of getting Auto-Disconnect turned off at start. I Thank you.

DEVs PLEASE again please make a Poll and let us Vote..... This poll would show you that this is a great idea and many many players hate 20 minute Auto-Disconnect.

[Zikon]

massive congestion as people would be logged in, stagnant (ie- Port Jeuno) all hours of the day doing absolutely nothing. This doesn't make it less playable, per se, but I would think it would be far more annoying walking through a mob of people than having to manually switch to auto-disconnect to off.

Estimated Guess but well over 95% of the people in Congested areas already have auto-disconnect OFF. Auto-Disconnect this late in the game ONLY effects New Players and Guest Log ins. Everyone Else has it turned off.....

So congestion is a non-issue when in relation to Auto-Disconnect. The only way to keep Auto-Disconnect at 20 minutes is if the DEV team allows us to have more than 4 saved log in accounts. Four is an incredibly low number for most of us who have been playing the game longer than 5 years. If you really truly only have been playing longer than 5 years and have less than 2 accounts you are either the biggest loaner alive or your friends know they cant trust you enough with their information.

LET the public vote....

[Rewyen]

You fail as a troll but thank you for constantly bumping my thread and making it become a "Hot topic" so this thread gets noticed faster.

When the hell did the term "troll" become so universally misused? Making a counterpoint or argument is not trolling. But if it helps your cause, sure, why not :P

[Zikon]

When the hell did the term "troll" become so universally misused? Making a counterpoint or argument is not trolling. But if it helps your cause, sure, why not :P

If you wanted to produce a counterpoint you would have done so with only 1 post... Posting after every single person posting... That is spam and trolling. You already posted your counterpoint once twice three times four times and everyone has already told you and given you the reason why this is important to some people. So you know the reason why yet you keep posting so you are a troll.

Anyway nothing to see here move along.... SE please turn auto correct off !!! Thank You

[Qeepel]

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[Rukkirii]

Thank you Qeepel!

With that aside, I was able to obtain information about the guest log-in auto-disconnect setting.

The reason the auto-disconnect setting wasn't set to OFF on guest log-in is to ensure that third parties (such as curious siblings, an angry girlfriend, a revengeful behemoth, etc.) aren't able to access the account if the guest forgot to log out.

While we do realize that there are players who feel this is not necessary because they only log in from private locations, we made the default set to ON to help prevent any risky situations that could possibly occur.

[Zikon]

Thank you Qeepel!

With that aside, I was able to obtain information about the guest log-in auto-disconnect setting.

The reason the auto-disconnect setting wasn't set to OFF on guest log-in is to ensure that third parties (such as curious siblings, an angry girlfriend, a revengeful behemoth, etc.) aren't able to access the account if the guest forgot to log out.

While we do realize that there are players who feel this is not necessary because they only log in from private locations, we made the default set to ON to help prevent any risky situations that could possibly occur.

..........

:/ Risky situations aside most if not all players keep their accounts with OFF saved. So family members and others will access their accounts anyway. If someone has gotten ahold of my information the first thing they will do when they have it is change my password and or steal my stuff as soon as they can not go afk for 20 minutes. :(

[Karbuncle]

I understand their reasoning.

Best to just turn it off when you log on, Or make yourself not a "Guest" on the account. (If you're using a Token its not like they'll be able to get into your account anyway).

If you're just going to remember to remove it, Think of it as a training in your memory, This change isn't worth the time it would take to correct, So instead, it'll teach some of us to remember important things.

Dev teams doing us a favor :D, Can always use more Brain-Training.

[Greatguardian]

..........

:/ Risky situations aside most if not all players keep their accounts with OFF saved. So family members and others will access their accounts anyway. If someone has gotten ahold of my information the first thing they will do when they have it is change my password and or steal my stuff as soon as they can not go afk for 20 minutes. :(

Have you ever had a friend get "Facebook hacked" (I hate that term btw) because they were browsing it at the (insert store with computers here) and walked away with it still logged in?

Yeah. Same principle. Internet cafes may be uncommon in the US but not so much overseas.

[Zikon]

I understand their reasoning.

Best to just turn it off when you log on, Or make yourself not a "Guest" on the account. (If you're using a Token its not like they'll be able to get into your account anyway).

If you're just going to remember to remove it, Think of it as a training in your memory, This change isn't worth the time it would take to correct, So instead, it'll teach some of us to remember important things.

Dev teams doing us a favor :D, Can always use more Brain-Training.


It's not that I don't understand all I need to do is remember its just the 2-3 times I forget a month that becomes annoying. I remember almost every time or i'm on the character enough to where it doesnt log me out automatically at all.

But the 2-3 times a month where I go afk and forgot and get logged off...... Is enough for me to get irritated and hope that one day this will be changed.

I got my answer and even though its not exactly a good answer i'll stop asking..

SE if you change it awesome if you dont well... i'm not surprised.

Thank you Rukkirii

and your Coeurl Avatar is awesome.

[Tsuneo]

I don't get why you have to turn auto logout off multiple times a month.

[Zikon]

I don't get why you have to turn auto logout off multiple times a month.

Guest log in. I have more than 4 accounts saved on my desktop.

[Tsuneo]

Get rid of one?

[Dragoy]

Personally, I find a bigger problem is that if you're on PC and you lock your computer, it kicks you out of the game. I don't like to leave my computer unlocked because I don't want my roommates snooping around my PC. So I have to do a total shutdown every time I need to leave the computer for more than a few minutes.

Assuming Windows, I never 'locked' it myself so I'm not sure how many options there is to do that. Does a screen-saver with the password query disconnect you also? Or was there any other way...

I can imagine the log-in screen 'crashing' FFXI right away if it takes you there.
But yeah, I just can't even remember how that works in Windows, since I didn't really ever use it, but I can say that using Linux it is perfectly possible to lock the screen and FFXI (and everything else) will happily keep on running. ^^


As for the topic itself... I for one don't have that many accounts, and need not the Guest log-in feature at all so this doesn't really concern me, but I wouldn't be against it either.

Perhaps one solution would be adding this option to the FFXI-Config utility instead of the in-game options (or better yet, make it both).

[Kaisha]

If they do not wish to address the guest/new player auto-disconnect thing, how about adjusting POL so it allows more than four POL profiles without us having to manually muck about with folders.

And possibly add support for running multiple instances of POL at once for those of us with multiple accounts that have a powerful enough PC while they're at it......

[Juilan]

stuff

your moogle was cuter than that coeurl

[Juilan]

Assuming Windows, I never 'locked' it myself so I'm not sure how many options there is to do that. Does a screen-saver with the password query disconnect you also? Or was there any other way...


it does, so i cant let my computer lock under that either... sadly this issue isn't to do with SE but the fact windows locks the screen and shuts off the network connection...

[Alhanelem]

Really guys, it's not like it's that hard to go into the options and turn it off. One of the first things I do in any game is look through the options to see what's changeable and what's not.

[Zikon]

Really guys, it's not like it's that hard to go into the options and turn it off. One of the first things I do in any game is look through the options to see what's changeable and what's not.

I'm not exactly sure why this needs to be explained again but......

When logging in as a guest it's automatically set at 20minutes every time. There is no way to save the off position like you can when logging in your normal account.

The reason for this thread isn't because of lazyness sometimes you need to log in really quickly or sometimes you just plain forget when logging in under guest. After we log in we either forget or something happens during the log in process and then you go afk and comeback and your disconnected.

We should either have more saved profiles for accounts (more than four) Or it should be defaulted to OFF or we should get something to save the default at off without disrupting everyone's default.

[SpankWustler]

One thing to keep in mind is that while places with public internet access in the US are basically "we are a restaurant with Wi-Fi, bring your own laptop and view internet pornography great and terrible while eating your cheeseburger", such might not be the case in Japan.


The reason the auto-disconnect setting wasn't set to OFF on guest log-in is to ensure that third parties (such as curious siblings, an angry girlfriend, a revengeful behemoth, etc.) aren't able to access the account if the guest forgot to log out.

I guess Camate has a bit of a reputation around the office, huh?

[Arcon]

Really guys, it's not like it's that hard to go into the options and turn it off. One of the first things I do in any game is look through the options to see what's changeable and what's not.

Really guy, you do that every time you turn a game on? After five hundred twenty-seven times starting up Hello Kitty Island Adventure, don't you just wanna skip the visit to the config menu and jump straight into the catty action? So do we.

If it has to default to off, how about making a global config for it and let that one default to off, and it can be changed once for all new guest accounts created?


One thing to keep in mind is that while places with public internet access in the US are basically "we are a restaurant with Wi-Fi, bring your own laptop and view internet pornography great and terrible while eating your cheeseburger", such might not be the case in Japan.

Would you play FFXI on their machines though? I find that kinda hard to imagine. And with global settings (outside of the account) these could also all default to off and be unchangeable without admin permissions, and the problem would be fixed. And I'm having an even harder time trying to imagine people in public places not signing out of their FFXI account. Can you be that forgetful?

Either way, nothing that isn't fixable.

[SpankWustler]

Would you play FFXI on their machines though? I find that kinda hard to imagine. And with global settings (outside of the account) these could also all default to off and be unchangeable without admin permissions, and the problem would be fixed. And I'm having an even harder time trying to imagine people in public places not signing out of their FFXI account. Can you be that forgetful?

I agree with this line of thinking. I'm just not sure "someone might play FFXI on a public computer" is as close to moon logic as a lot of people are implying.

I know that impoverished and dorky people can sleep and shower in some internet cafes in Japan, which means there are some drastically different places than any internet cafe in the US. Some of the places have libraries of dorky literature and cinema, also. The name for these places eludes me at the moment, but imagine the dorkiest hostel ever and you're pretty close.

I have literally no idea what kind of stuff people might do on the public computers in a place like that. I definitely wouldn't play FFXI there, but then again, I'd also darken a friend's couch before I slept there.

[Greatguardian]

If it has to default to off, how about making a global config for it and let that one default to off, and it can be changed once for all new guest accounts created?

Would you play FFXI on their machines though? I find that kinda hard to imagine. And with global settings (outside of the account) these could also all default to off and be unchangeable without admin permissions, and the problem would be fixed. And I'm having an even harder time trying to imagine people in public places not signing out of their FFXI account. Can you be that forgetful?

Either way, nothing that isn't fixable.

Global config would be helpful, certainly.

People do play the vidya at those cafes, though. MMOs are certainly not uncommon. Monster Hunter is up there, too. Hell, most JP PC games are online these days. As for being forgetful? Well, just look at Facebook's "Hack" rates. Everyone knows someone who's left their account online on some public machine before.

[Babekeke]

Global config would be helpful, certainly.

People do play the vidya at those cafes, though. MMOs are certainly not uncommon. Monster Hunter is up there, too. Hell, most JP PC games are online these days. As for being forgetful? Well, just look at Facebook's "Hack" rates. Everyone knows someone who's left their account online on some public machine before.

Generally, Facebook hacks (frapes) are when people leave their phone unattended. Once we can play ffxi on iPhone/android, this will be a problem, but not before.

[Greatguardian]

Generally, Facebook hacks (frapes) are when people leave their phone unattended. Once we can play ffxi on iPhone/android, this will be a problem, but not before.

You mean you don't know how to play ffxi on iphone/android?

[Scribble]

If anyone goes to their ex- gf/bf house to login and afk for 20 mins don't they deserve to have their stuff jacked?

Beyond the automatic logouts, some of us like to have other settings static to what we're used to like chat window settings, screen ratios and background... ect. There is an option to save and restore your macro sets from the server, why not the same option for menu configuration?

I move that 'Shift+Alt+Ctrl GG' allow you to restore your menu settings to the computer you're currently on. This way I can still keep the 'safety' aspect of logging on/off at my disgruntled ex-gf house to brag about my leet g34rz, but I can then return to my soon to be disgruntled new gf house and login with my preferred settings without having to dig around in the menu while the sandwich she just made me gets cold?

[Arcon]

As for being forgetful? Well, just look at Facebook's "Hack" rates. Everyone knows someone who's left their account online on some public machine before.

I don't know, there is a difference. How often do you log out of facebook at home? Now how often do you log out of FFXI? People are pretty much conditioned to log out of the game when they stop playing (aside from a few people who leave it running fulltime, but I also think that largely happens in homes where people are used to keep their PC running at all times, not in public places). I don't have any statistics or anything, but the chance of that happening even in isolated cases seems highly unlikely to me.

Also, the default is 20min, I believe. If you really forget to log out somewhere where people would take advantage of it, this would be more than enough for them to just get to your account, after they move once the timer is reset anyway. So it just really prevents people from accidentally finding your account unlogged after an hour or so.

[Disifer]

I can't believe a thread about something as dumb as this will get their attention but anything regarding "Nerf Wars" is just ignored. Actually wait, I do believe it.

[Arcon]

I can't believe a thread about something as dumb as this will get their attention but anything regarding "Nerf Wars" is just ignored. Actually wait, I do believe it.

I can't believe some user took their time to make a post as dumb as this, but offering constructive advice or criticism they never even considered. Actually wait, I do believe it.

[Zikon]

I can't believe a thread about something as dumb as this will get their attention but anything regarding "Nerf Wars" is just ignored. Actually wait, I do believe it.

First off Nerf's have been occurring since the beginning of the game. Nerfs happen in all Mmo's

Jobs get buffed up new content and get nerf'ed every update.... why is this a huge surprise to you guys... You demand new content, You demand new buffs and QQ over nerfs that are bound to happen with all new content?? Really??

All I'm asking for is a way to turn Auto Disconnect off for Guest log ins.... Something that has been bugging me since the day I started playing over 7 years ago.

[Zikon]

Bumping because people are mentioning it outside this thread. Want everyone to see what that person was referring to

TY