[dev1065] Petition for removal of item requirement for R/M/E upgrades

[Scribble]

I know that there will probably be several threads related to Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapon trials, but I wanted to address a specific part of this problem.

Basically I'd like to get an idea of what players want in terms of the completion method of this trial and since I can't make a poll or an actual petition to accept signatures, a simple 'like' would probably send the message to SE.

Currently, the trials are setup to require a set number of items for the completion of each of these trials. This petition is a request to SE to remove the item requirement and move simply to a kills requirement.

My reasoning for this change is simple:

It makes more sense to reward all participating players than to just reward one at a time.

Many of the magian trials have brought the community together to complete common goals that could be done simultaneously. I think SE and the XI community could benefit from keeping this tradition going and bringing together the adventurers of Vana'diel for the greater good rather than individual goals.

If you agree, please like this post and send the message to SE and the devs that this could be done in a better way. If you disagree, please take the time to explain why.

[Dfoley]

To give the english community an idea:
I believe they said its
20 adl items for relics
10 prime warden items for mythics


I am 100% behind the idea of saying you need 30 ADL kills/15 PW kills
No items, that is just not fun to spend 30 days for 1 persons upgrade

[Yoky]

As must as i really dont care bout the trials. I think in general having people having to go after ADL and PW in gernal are the wrong ways to do it.

Maybe have the items come from Legion.... or Nyzul 2.0 ... or whatever else you may have up your sleeve. Forcing people to go after NM's like this is what chace people away from the game. Most relic and Mythic owners already went thru hell trying to get their weapon, why put them thru hell again. If you want leave PW and ADL on the list but add other options for obtaining the items. Cause truth be told aslong as empy weapons stay on voidwatch, they have alot more ways of getting items, cause there are multiple NMs, and oh yea, people will get them and sell them casue they dont want them. So yea, if you are going to make us chase NM's that are already a pain in the ass. There needs to be other ways to obtain such items.

Just toss out other options where people will actually want too do it.

But then having Stage 1 and STage 2 items the same and having them as rare and such a pain to get.. thats not a great idea either.

[Unctgtg]

Really SE, the more your development team opens their mouth, the more they sound like the US government. Complete morons. This is completely and utter disrespectful to your player base. We have tried to level with you, but of course your team is lost. We propose simple easy changes and you are doing exactly what you did during beta in 14. NOTHING and implementing your own ideas. Your changes should be one of the following.

1 item needed
10000 Kills of any mob.
10 ADL Team Kills.

Tell your development team to stop working on changes to the game that are worthless and dead. If not I will be taking my 60 dollars a month to another game, and I am sure I am not the only one. Remember the customer is always right. We are trying to make your company better but when you continue to ignore your own supporters, it is really not a good business practice.

[Unctgtg]

"Stage 1
Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.
*This content is not yet available on the test server."

Majority you say in there. Majority = 85% or higher, not .0000000000000001% that stage 2 will get. Follow your own words SE. Change it, or lose your player base.

[Rezeak]

1 item or no item requirement please. (10-20 kills works for me)

[Natasha]

Supported~

Mostly in regards to relic (though I would like to see Arch Dynamis completely removed from the trial for a number of reasons) but I can see where mythic could have issues too.

As for empy... in that specific case I think items are okay (I would say maybe a reduction in items needed since by comparison its easiest one to farm quickly) but honestly at this stage theres been a lot of work on these weapons already, and the stage 2 fills the 'effort' requirement well enough. I think people could use a bit of a break on the stage 1.

[Insaniac]

A kill trial doesn't work for ADL if you think about it. Too many relics would be left out in the cold because they are no good for zergs. If SE wants to implement a new mechanism for getting credit for kills without the weapon equipped then fine but I assure you they have no interest in doing that. Once you get past that obstacle you have to consider how utterly screwed people who don't finish in the first wave will be. I would suggest that the OP be edited to a petition simply to drastically change the trials. Specifically making it a petition for a kill trial will keep people like myself from clicking that like button. We could post all the different ideas in the thread.

It's important that these trials be accessible. The items need to come from content that people actually do so that they exist on the market at reasonable prices (20mil is not reasonable) or they need to be obtainable low man.

Here's my suggestion for all 3 -

Empyreans - Fine as is. There is no limiting factor to how many of these items end up on the market other than mob difficulty which is being dialed back via the AoE damage nerf.

Mythics - Somewhat reasonable with the zeni adjustment but not quite ready for prime time. I believe all the worthless crafting mats from PW should be removed and replaced with the upgrade item and the T4s should have a 50% chance of dropping the item also. The amount required should be 5. This allows someone who would rather not join a large linkshell or risk losing to PW with a shout group to simply low man the T4s multiple times. There would be no limiting factor to someone wanting to complete this trial.

Relics - The most horribly thought out trial. A true failure of design and critical thinking. The number of relics in circulation outnumbers 95 emps and mythics at least 10 to 1 so the supply should be much more accessible. ADL is limited by multiple factors the most glaring of which is the 2hours once per day dynamis limit. To "fix" this trial without starting over from scratch we need the items added to multiple NMs. My suggestion would be to keep the requirement at 20 but make ADL and Arch Diabolos drop a pouch of 5-15 items at a 100% rate. Other Arch bosses could drop 2-5 singles based on TH. DL, Diabolos and normal CoP bosses can drop 1 at 100% and all other dynamis NMs could drop 1 at a rate of 25%.

Edit: I would like to note that I havn't logged on since the announcement of the stage 1 trials and I won't be loading crysta until these trials are addressed.

[Lynchilles]

Just another example of the Dev team "phoning one in."

Absolutely lazy

No sense of Customer Service

Thanks for convincing me to cancel my payments!

[Arkanethered]

Follow the old dynamis NM path you were following... Put marrows on NQ Dynamis Lord.

Anyone that purchased a marrow up until now knew they were taking a risk.

[Tronsy]

Just made my account on the official forums to support this petition. Something needs to be done here. Two things will happen here.

1: Very few players will be able to attain the requirements.
2: SOME players that want it done will resort to buying gil to pay the absolutley disgusting price tag that will go along with the ADL and PW items.

SE u need to fix this or just tell us straight out we don't want XI around anymore....

[Lukielucas]

The developers won't listen to us, we've already made it clear that we're disgusted with this trial

the ONLY way you can hurt them, is by showing them how much money they will lose if they implemented this trial

as i was always taught ACTION speaks louder than words so ideally you'll need to do some form of protest.....

[Quetzacoatl]

The developers won't listen to us, we've already made it clear that we're disgusted with this trial

the ONLY way you can hurt them, is by showing them how much money they will lose if they implemented this trial

as i was always taught ACTION speaks louder than words so ideally you'll need to do some form of protest.....

We should all fly down to Tokyo where SE's office is located and do a public protest there. It's the only way to be sure at this point, right? ...right?

[Gaspee]

In the hopes that we all can finish our weapon trials in a manner that doesn't require time ad infinitum, and in a way which all players can participate and benefit, I wholeheartedly support the OP.

[Tinuviel]

I'm not sure how effective a boycott from the NA player base will ever be. Anyone who is bi-lingual know if there are similar outrages expressed in the JP forums?

[wish12oz]

As I have said before, these trials are stupid and should be reworked.

[Unctgtg]

So SE nuked the other thread because they know that we are right................ Just goes to show you they don't listen to us.

[Kitkat]

Probably nuked it because they don't want to argue about it any further feeling they have caved enough by making it what it is now. There was no reason for it to be nuked outright when it was the primary source of feedback between community reps and player. Unless people made it so far off topic in the last few pages they felt it was in need of it.

[Nala]

honestly the last time i read it a lot of peeps had calmed down, we were still calling the trials idiotic but in much nicer terms and some were even beginning to resign themselves to this trial format and numbers, they began giving feed back that would make spamming ADL or generally acquiring umbral marrow tolerable.

not saying its impossible but the general tone of those threads didn't seem to be heading in an uncontrolled and inflammatory direction, beginning to get fed up with all of this.

[Kitkat]

I don't know what to say then. Any viable excuse I can think of as to why it would be outright nuked out of existence doesn't seem to fit, and I would guess expecting a response from the community rep as to why is about as fruitless.

I sign on to this petition, but with some of the bad excuses we got as to why they aren't going to change the trial I'm not hopeful. Granted I didn't agree with Abyssea being too easy...but I certainly don't want XI going back to the old grind it was for gear either....I just can't justify spending so much time at the grinder for something anymore. Xi isn't just turning me away, but away from any MMO/MMORPG period and I've been playing since NA release......all the grinding just isn't fun anymore after almost 10 years of it.

[Erics]

I have to agree, all these trials are terrible in almost every fashion possible. Relics.. that trial speaks for itself. Mythics, come on SE, those weapons are already tough enough to obtain, give them a break? Empyreans, yes getting to 90 is easy, but the 1500 plates make up for that IMO. I whole-heartidly believe, all the weapons trials need to be tone downed.

inb4 deleted thread.