New 99 trials

[Dart]

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the maority of players (after the nerf it was 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

Could get a JoL pop in about 15 min, its called buying it.

ZING

[Nynja]

Blah blah blah blah
Are you going to post those duoed ADLs that YOU claimed was possible or not?

[wish12oz]

Blah blah blah blah
Are you going to post those duoed ADLs that YOU claimed was possible or not?

This is the only thing that matters when it comes to you pchan, put up or shut up.

EDIT: If I had to guess though, I'd say you keep wiping to regular DL in your attempts to prove to everyone you're right and that's keeping you from 'proving'it. DL isn't exactly easy at 99 with only 2 people.

[MarkovChain]

Could get a JoL pop in about 15 min, its called buying it.

ZING

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing. You actually need less people for ADL than what was required to do JoL plus the pop are about 10 times faster to get (and easier). zing zing.

[Alerith]

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing.

Didn't you know? JoL can be killed by a skilled soloist. All you need is sixteen SMN mules with Perfect Defense to swap out every minute or so.

Gosh, you're so behind on the times.

[MarkovChain]

The context of the discussion is clearly level 75 cap jol...

[Nynja]

and your comments on ADL and its pop items are related to lv99, so get to it

[Shadowsong]

Every post you make without a screenshot in it lowers everyone's opinion of you even more (if that was possible)

inb4 everyone's posts are reported

[Zaps]

Ima derp

i wish someone would topicban him until he has proof.

But then again i also with the community reps around here didnt have to handle everything with kid gloves and would occasionally tell people to stfu when they are clearly in the wrong.

edit: fixed the quote, thanks kimble.

[Kimble]

I assume you meant to quote Pchan, not Alerith?

[Apelila]

I didn't think it was possible for someone to continue to defend a ridiculous position without any shred of proof.

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

[Shadowsong]

Reminds me of the days of Craftermath and his "HQ rate theories"

[Brolic]

You need to evolve past abyssea seriously, soon as something requires more than you and your mule you are lost. Let's see what I liked at 75 : salvage. Going by your logic, entering salvage 5 times with a PT of 6 is too hard. Even worse getting an odin pop set is not doable by the majority of players (after the nerf it required 3 wins with ~30 ppl). Getting an Ultima popset of back in the day required much more work that what it takes to kill 5 ADL. Killing a DL (nq!) was quite the must. Are you saying those things were impossible for the average player ? I mean just getting a JoL popset is a lot more work that ADL, yet countless of people were doing it.

Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

[Zaps]

Say what you want about them but this is spot on.

I personally don't care about the difficulty of ADL, or even the difficulty of building ADL sets. I have a problem with this level of difficulty being put in a time constricted zone with a maxixmum of 2hours per day. I would rather go through a trial that took more manhours then having to deal with splitting up farming to 2hours a day.

example: Say you can build popsets with 5 people, and kill popsets with 12 (obviously this isnt true for all occasions)

We are Killing enough for 1 stage1 completion in this example and excluding farming plates.

To make it fair, i am going to assume that the group doing these cant spend an enormous amount of time every day. I'de say 5 hours is a good middle ground.


PW sets:
A good group could get through an entire wing in a 5hour span, building 5 popsets for each wing (3 wings)
Add a 5hour day for the actual kills, and we have ourselves:
20hours per person farming sets and killing spanning the time of 4 days to finish 1 mythic to 99 stage1


ADL sets: A group of 5 will probably spend an entire run farming and killing 1 NM per day to complete a set of 5. That's 2 hours a day for 5 days.
Add in at best with 12 people 2 kills per run. Over the course of 3 days.
Leaves us with 16hours over the span of 8 days.

If anyone thinks my numbers are off please let me know.

tldr: PW takes 4days per Mythic, but 20hours per person, ADL takes 8 days per Relic, but 16hours per person.

[MarkovChain]

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL : 3 MNK/WARs with vere 90+, 1 BRD, 1 SMN.
If you are a group of 12 you can keep the 3 MNK/WAR as the setup doesn't rely on hundredfists (but 2x marches), soulvoice may not be meeded either (especially if gjallharhorn). So basically It amounts to the number of SMN you are bringing in. To be safe a groupe of 4 MNKs, 1 BRD, 1 WHM, 1 THF, and 5 smn (=12) will be able to pop 5 sets.

Here is the minimal setup for a popset : MNK(/NIN or /THF) and WHM(/THF or /RDM). The NIN/BST NM is semi dangerous due to mijin but as monk it doesn't kill you. The RDM/BRD one has nothing special beside chainspell, but WHM is there for cureskin. The THF/DRK mob is just slighty longer because of PD. The only semi difficult one is the SMN/PLD NM, whm can sleep the avatar (except carbuncle) and in case astral flow goes of you'll be glad to know it doesn't kill the monk. The mini NM that drop DL pops are jokes for any soloer. DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

[wish12oz]

DL itself can be killed with sherzo and EA right before ADL.

So you admit you can't duo that popset for ADL now?

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

[Nynja]

he backpedaled and said DL can be killed with the full group before popping ADL

anything can be done on paper though:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5724564501836652849
run from every battle that you can, crit all boss fights and have all boss's miss you with every attack, or instakill...Which works on paper, not in practice (unless you have savestates)

how about actually duoing the NM's and offering proof of said paperplan?

[Shadowsong]

Here is the minimal set up I see possible for ADL :

Quoted and bolded for the lulz

[MarkovChain]

Still waiting to see a video fo that 6 man ADL, or you to admit it can't be done like you did with duoing pop sets.

That is because you don't read what I say. First I've already said before that NQ DL would be killed right before ADL, so no I'm not backpedalling. Secondly, when I said that it was in the context of farming several popset as different groups and THEN on another run, gather with other people and pop multiple times. So in this context, killing DL as duo serves no purpose. Finally I originally said that you can farm a popset with 2-3 players. You will kill nq DL with as low as 3 people, just need to be clever and not use jobs that suck like nynja. I mean a trio of BLM THF DRK will not go far even though they are DD. BRD,MNK,MNK will do eet.

[Dart]

Are dumb lol ? Are you going to solo JoL when you 've bought the pops ? zing. You actually need less people for ADL than what was required to do JoL plus the pop are about 10 times faster to get (and easier). zing zing.

the discussion was about farming the pop not actually killing it. So i'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Besides the guy who can't post proof of his claims has no right to call anyone out (I can easily post a video of me buying a pop set!), You're the ultimate hypocrite.

[Taint2]

I've seen some SSs of 9 man kills. So 6 is not out of the question. Not sure its worth all the pop items risking it with 6 however.

[MarkovChain]

the discussion was about farming the pop not actually killing it. So i'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

Besides the guy who can't post proof of his claims has no right to call anyone out (I can easily post a video of me buying a pop set!), You're the ultimate hypocrite.

No it was not.

[Nynja]

jesus fkn christ

Can you post screenshots of you and your lackey mdk DUOING (not both 2boxing, TWO characters in game fighting the mobs, no outside PL, no stupid outside ploys that you want to try to bypass and go "see its done", just two characters PEW PEW mob dead) the following mobs:
Duke Haures, Marquis Caim, Count Haagenti, Baron Avnas
or not?

Its not a difficult question, considering you made the claims, over a week ago, that it is possible and rather easy. So do it, or get the f out of here with your incessant trolling unproductive garbage.

[MarkovChain]

Yes it's easy, but your forgot to explain us WHY it is apparently so hard. Here is my bet : you have never killed them. Any combo of 2 jobs should be able to kill them. Want me to solo them on pewp?

[Nynja]

Then why is it taking you a week to do it?

[Zirael]

Yes it's easy, but your forgot to explain us WHY it is apparently so hard. Here is my bet : you have never killed them. Any combo of 2 jobs should be able to kill them. Want me to solo them on pewp?
Yes please, we're all interested in some pics/videos tho. You make statements that you claim to be factual rather than conceptual. Please put on those Avesta Bangles and inspire us, even if it will be a RDM running around a rock for 2 hours.
Nothing against you, but all I see for the last 5 pages is lots of talking being tossed around "I can do it" & "No you can't", but it won't resolve anything.

[hiko]

Nothing against you, but all I see for the last 5 pages is lots of talking being tossed around "I can do it" & "No you can't", but it won't resolve anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTPwvGC0rY

[Zaps]

Building any less then 5 popsets at a time imo is a waste of time, I dont care if you can duo or trio a damn paper bag, its a waste of time.

[macross]

Man, have you guys even killed ADL? Monks lol...

[MarkovChain]

yeah and it's cake.

[Nynja]

so you can kill ADL, "with ease" might I add, and yet you still want to buy marrows for 10m a piece?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/avatar_6feb8634e3d0_128.png

[Alerith]

yeah and it's cake.

Look, if you're incapable of getting a popset, it's ok! We understand you're incapable. Spewing nonsensical bull isn't going to help people think of you as less of an incapable tool. I mean, it's really ok if you keep wiping to DL and we can accept the fact that you can't beat a single earth wyrm.

Look deep within yourself and find acceptance in your failure as a player.

[MarkovChain]

so you can kill ADL, "with ease" might I add, and yet you still want to buy marrows for 10m a piece?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/avatar_6feb8634e3d0_128.png

10 M is clearly cheap. Like if I see a riftcinder for 500k I buy it >_>.

[wish12oz]

Where's the videos of the easy NMs? Or is pchan admitting to not being able to do what he claims he can.

[Dart]

No it was not.

yes it was! it was the point that I brought up and talked about, building the pop set. I know that you generally ignore anything that makes you look bad/hypocritical, but that doesn't change the facts.

[Nynja]

10 M is clearly cheap. Like if I see a riftcinder for 500k I buy it >_>.

riftcinder is a random drop rate off a shoutable mob where cinders will enter the system by people who dont target it. Marrows will not be randomly entering the system...thats like me working at ford, and buying a honda

[MarkovChain]

We understand your point, you can't kill ADL ; got it. Go to BG now.

[Ravenmore]

We understand your point, you can't kill ADL ; got it. Go to BG now.

So weres your vid. We are still waiting.

[Kimble]

We understand your point, you can't kill ADL ; got it. Go to BG now.

We understand, you can't duo farm ADL pops and then 6 man ADL. got it, go back to your hole now.

[Draylo]

People taking Pchan seriously? Oh my.

[wish12oz]

People taking Pchan seriously? Oh my.

I think it's mostly just ridicule now since he can't produce proof to back up his claims of duoing ADL pops and 6 manning ADL without 2 hours.

[Zaps]

I think it's mostly just ridicule now since he can't produce proof to back up his claims of duoing ADL pops and 6 manning ADL without 2 hours.

Also we dont need the dev's thinking that 6manning ADL regularly is possible.

[Greatguardian]

You guys really don't understand Pchan, do you?

He'll never claim that He can kill ADL with 6. He'll just say it's theoretically possible for an absolutely perfect group of 6 people who never make a mistake and always pick the correct clone. He'll say, "It can be done", but of course he'll never see that as a binding obligation to prove it. To him, it should be evident: If a group cannot kill ADL with 6, then they are not perfect and that's the problem.

Don't ever expect proof from Pchan. Ever.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Unless it involves magic accuracy.

[Nynja]

We understand your point, you can't kill ADL ; got it. Go to BG now.

Are you doing to post those duoed ADL pop NM's or what?

http://static.pokato.net/2010-11-14-21-11-18498052210.jpg


its funny, when I said that a group cant duo their way thru all the NM's to GGears, you were so quick to post a video to prove me wrong (which you didnt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSYxXrx1Ws)...you showed you and mdk duoing GGears, theres no undeniable proof that you killed Hammerblow and Powderkeg as well as clearing all the mobs as a duo on the way there). Yet now you're balking really hard, but still trying to put up a fight.

[MarkovChain]

6 manning ADL without 2 hours.

Funny how it without 2hrs now, almost as if you are uncertain to be right.

[wish12oz]

Funny how it without 2hrs now, almost as if you are uncertain to be right.

You said you would be doing several of them per run, so obviously you can't use your 2 hours since you have to do multiples and dynamis is 2 hours long, quit trying to nit-pick at your own suggested ability and go prove you can do.... well, prove you can do anything, all you ever do is make outrageous claims.

This is you saying to do multiples in one run:

THEN on another run, gather with other people and pop multiple times.

[Ravenmore]

Wait wish what about all those cor and smn mules he expects every one to have. Surely with that you could do more then one a run ^.~. While most hardcore players might have alts expecting them to be able to finish content in any reasonable amount is bad game design.

[Nynja]

Wait wish what about all those cor and smn mules he expects every one to have. Surely with that you could do more then one a run ^.~. While most hardcore players might have alts expecting them to be able to finish content in any reasonable amount is bad game design.

Those mules are already going to be on healer jobs keeping people alive, or other support jobs (cor / brd...Perfect Defense or not, you will wind up taking damage.

[MarkovChain]

You said you would be doing several of them per run, so obviously you can't use your 2 hours since you have to do multiples and dynamis is 2 hours long, quit trying to nit-pick at your own suggested ability and go prove you can do.... well, prove you can do anything, all you ever do is make outrageous claims.

This is you saying to do multiples in one run:

What the heck, why does poping multiple times prevents you from using 2H.

[MarkovChain]

Those mules are already going to be on healer jobs keeping people alive, or other support jobs (cor / brd...Perfect Defense or not, you will wind up taking damage.

No. You don't need a cure since you use PD. Only reason to bring a WHM is if you farm afterwise but even then a single SMN or BRD will do it. Dynamis mobs are so weak now.

[Nynja]

No. You don't need a cure since you use PD. Only reason to bring a WHM is if you farm afterwise but even then a single SMN or BRD will do it. Dynamis mobs are so weak now.

ITT: Perfect Defense causes you to take 0 damage...



What the heck, why does poping multiple times prevents you from using 2H.

I dont know, maybe cause its called a 2-hour ability because you can only use it once per 2 hours?

[Shadowsong]

Everytime he posts without a screenshot makes me smile lol.
What GG said is correct, Pchan argues strawman theories and theoretical "perfect" groups. How someone as subpar as him would even know how high-end people operate is a mystery, however.
Keep posting though, everyone, this thread does produce the funnies

[MarkovChain]

ITT: Perfect Defense causes you to take 0 damage...


Pretty much. If you can't kill ADL before pd wears off it's quite proof of gimpage. Typically a group of 6 will take 50% of it's HP before it splits.

[Rezeak]

MorkovChain i disagree with your opinion on ADL.

[Alerith]

Pretty much. If you can't kill ADL before pd wears off it's quite proof of gimpage. Typically a group of 6 will take 50% of it's HP before it splits.

And now tell me, when he splits, how do you know which is the real one so you can kill it before PD wears off?

[MarkovChain]

you kill both as they repop with the same HP as the one that split ...

[Nynja]

And is this something that you can prove can be done, or is this all theoretical paper garbage that you keep putting out?

[Alerith]

you kill both as they repop with the same HP as the one that split ...

So you do this with three people on each? Well, you have one SMN so I assume you would only have five actual melee, so three melee on one and two melee on the other? And if you kill the copy first and the real one branches off another clone, how does that work?

Still smelling mass amounts of bull.

[MarkovChain]

You kill them one by one ; I'm not sure what so hard to understand. And yeah you are not going to kill all copies always, who cares ? 2 weeks instead of 1 week to get them. A decent 6-man group is going to be surviving one split and killing 2 copies total at least. That's about what you will avergae anyway, 50% chance of killing the right thing. Shit If I can do it with 2 level 95 empy and 2 gimp DD how can a 4x level 90+ empy DD not do it.

[Taint2]

And now tell me, when he splits, how do you know which is the real one so you can kill it before PD wears off?


There is actually a pretty easy and fail proof way....

I think 6 can take him. Probably not more then twice in 1 run. (lucky COR 2hr) MNK/WAR/DRK,MNK/WAR/DRK,BRD,COR,SMN,SCH/BLM (embruva/stunga)

Killing him too fast can make the figher harder, which favors 6 good players.

Pchan speaks a lot of garbage but I think its doable with 6, possibly twice in one run. Ideally you'd want a 7th for TH and if you want a guarenteed win you'd have a 2nd pty standing outside of 50' ready for PD zerg incase of AoE terror.

There is also the upcoming AoE nerf which could make him even easier.

[MarkovChain]

COR is useless in your setup (what rolls ? does this beat a 3rd mnk?). Same goes with the SCH. Killing him too fast does make it harder ? How ? I read the last post on the BG thread and me and mdk are nearly 100% certain that the huge stoneskin thing is bullcrap, we think they are mixing with the fact that he takes zero damage when summoning. Which lasts a few seconds.

[Nynja]

You kill them one by one ; I'm not sure what so hard to understand.

You're right, were dumb...how about you make a video and show us.

[Mahoro]

I think Pchan likes to blow a lot of smoke without facts or proof to back him up, so I will try to provide some observations from an actual recent kill. We just killed ADL in shell this week and at level 99, I can say that he is much easier than people think. 18 people definitely isn't required, but he literally melted with the 18 we brought, so smaller groups can do quite well here. (We chose the right clone after first split and the whole fight didn't last longer than 20-25 seconds. PD was still on as we were running down the slope to farm more Tome NM's.)

I think an average group with 12 people can take down original + 2 clones before PD wears, and an excellent pimped-out group of 6-8 can take down original + 1 clone. If the 6-8 person party chooses wrong the first time, they will probably wipe. The fight is still pure luck of course unless SE ninja-fixes it.

[MarkovChain]

Oh noes look post after post this thread goes ineluctably towards pchan is right.

[Mahoro]

To be fair, I think people were rankling at some of the claims you made re: duoing Tome NMs etc., without providing proof. I can't say I disagree with them :P

Keep in mind when I say original + 1 clone, I mean bringing original mob down from 100-60% ish, then it clones, people choose one clone and bring it down from 60-0%. It is basically bringing ONE mob down from 100-0, which I DO think is possible with 6 people. You just have to be lucky, which is what sucks about this fight. An extra party allows you to spin the roulette wheel TWICE and maybe kill two clones. A full alliance of 18 allows you to spin the roulette wheel THREE times or more.

[MarkovChain]

The only advantage of a full alliance is poping a dozen of ADL.

[Nynja]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/159/324/flash11752_Still-Waiting-on-OP.jpg

[Shadowsong]

Oh noes look post after post this thread goes ineluctably towards pchan is right.

Lol what? You do speak English right?
POST SCREENSHOTS jesus christ.

Ya know what? After this long, he is admitting he can't do it. It's ok buddy we all knew from day 1.

Case closed, you heard it from PChan himself- He was mistaken in his claims.

[Apelila]

/sh "Casino" "General Discussion" "99 Trials thread" Bet on how it will end! Winners everytime!

1: ~chan gives up AND admits he's wrong (1,000,000 :1)
2: ~chan just stops posting (10:1)
3: Thread gets locked (2:1)
4: someone posts pic's of chan wiping to ADL (5:1) DL (10:1)
5 ~chan stop's posting because he buys all the items and says he did it himself (50:1)

Place your bets!

No option for he keeps stammering it can be done w/o posting proof because that would mean the thread doesn't end.

[Tamoa]

There is also the upcoming AoE nerf which could make him even easier.

I thought that was voidwatch nms only - or did I miss something?

[Nynja]

HOLYSHITPCHANSAIDHESGONNAPOSTAVIDEOWTFMATE

[MarkovChain]

Yeah you'll be ridiculized soon.

[Tamoa]

Ridiculized? Is that a Pchan self-invented word?

[Nynja]

uploads must be slow in france...

[wish12oz]

uploads must be slow in france...

gchan is French? That explains so much....


I thought that was voidwatch nms only - or did I miss something?

Not only is it VW onry, there's a specific list of mobs it applies to. ADL is not on that list.

[Shadowsong]

First off: I like the word rediculized. Second off, PChan, if you post a video we will not be rediculized, but you WOULD be vindicated. I have no idea why you would procrastinate not only proving your point but proving us wrong.
Hell, I would be HAPPY if you posted a video showing it was possible

[MarkovChain]

Here (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20300-Arch-Dynamis-lords-difficultly.?p=286123&viewfull=1#post286123) are two videos of 6 skilled players taking down Arch Dynamis Lord. As I've exlained earlier, the thread is inevitably ending by Pchan is right.

[macross]

Here (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20300-Arch-Dynamis-lords-difficultly.?p=286123&viewfull=1#post286123) are two videos of 6 skilled players taking down Arch Dynamis Lord. As I've exlained earlier, the thread is inevitably ending by Pchan is right.

You mean a video of 6 lucky players who just happened to pick the right clone. In each video, even though you did in fact win, you nearly wiped. Is no skill involved, just luck from what I see.

[Runespider]

Here are two videos of 6 skilled players taking down Arch Dynamis Lord. As I've exlained earlier, the thread is inevitably ending by Pchan is right.

It takes more skill to pee in the toilet than what anyone in that video did, get ABY geared DD, use 2 hours, autoattack and get lucky with the correct clone. Grats on the win but we all know you had far more fails than successes..that's why it took so long to produce the video.

Only thing worse than a dev team turning it's players off the game with such horrible content is the retarded players like you that bend stuff to such an extreme extent to try make it not appear so stupid.

[Zinato]

The secret to getting the right clone has supposedly been discovered. The clone is said to always spawn with Stoneskin, if your first attack does 0 you've hit the clone. (have to pay attention carefully though in zerg mode you would cut through it quickly if not paying attention) Sadly, my network of friends is not large enough to test this theory. But, I figure anything is worth investigating seeing as so many people need Marrow. (and most people would most likely gladly take any advantage they can find)

[MarkovChain]

The theory is wrong at least on the first split. However I had an instance where during the second split ADL was actually taking damage (while summonning) and then I would hit for 0 for a few hits. Until I see this happen again I consider that this is due to lag in the chatlog.

[Monchat]

It takes more skill to pee in the toilet than what anyone in that video did, get ABY geared DD, use 2 hours, autoattack and get lucky with the correct clone. Grats on the win but we all know you had far more fails than successes..that's why it took so long to produce the video.

Only thing worse than a dev team turning it's players off the game with such horrible content is the retarded players like you that bend stuff to such an extreme extent to try make it not appear so stupid.

Again, the goal was to show that a group of 6 can perfectly win (with 50% chance). There is nothing "random" about the fight eccept which copy you chose. 50% chance at winning with a pt of 6 mules is much better than ~90% chance of winning with an alliance and 1/18 chance at winning the lot on umbral marrow. Yeah, even if your ally has 100% win rate, you have 1/18 chance at getting the drop. Pchan's video's goal is to show that it is perfectly doable for a 18 man alliance to kill *several* ADL in one run. If you can kill 5, that's 1 relic in one run, which makes the trials not too bad in the end.

[Karbuncle]

The secret to getting the right clone has supposedly been discovered. The clone is said to always spawn with Stoneskin, if your first attack does 0 you've hit the clone. (have to pay attention carefully though in zerg mode you would cut through it quickly if not paying attention) Sadly, my network of friends is not large enough to test this theory. But, I figure anything is worth investigating seeing as so many people need Marrow. (and most people would most likely gladly take any advantage they can find)

That was actually disproven about 1 day after it was brought up.