Translation please: "PlayStation 3"をご利用中の皆さまへ重要なお知らせ

[Babekeke]

"PlayStation 3"をご利用中の皆さまへ重要なお知らせ

"PlayStation 3" (60GBモデル/CECHA00、20GBモデル/CECHB00) を利用して
"PlayStation 2"版ファイナルファンタジーXIをご利用中の皆さまへ重要なお知らせ

平素はファイナルファンタジーXIをご利用いただき、誠にありがとうございます。

このたび株式会社ソニー・コンピュータエンタテインメント様との協議の結果、今後のファイナルファンタジーXIの継続運営に対応するため、"PlayStation 2"版ファイナルファンタジーXIをご利用いただく際に必要となるハードディスク容量を現在の12GBから21GBへと拡張することになりましたのでお知らせいたします。

この変更は、2012年2月以降に株式会社ソニー・コンピュータエンタテインメント様で実施される"PlayStation 3" システムソフトウェアのアップデートにて実施される予定です。

これにより、現在"PlayStation 3"(20GBモデル/CECHB00)で"PlayStation 2"版ファイナルファンタジーXIをご利用中の場合、本アップデート後には必要な容量を確保することができなくなります。そのため、この機会に"PlayStation 3"HDDの換装をご検討いただくか、Windows版のご利用をご検討くださいますようお願いいたします。


"PlayStation 3"での動作に関しては、株式会社ソニー・コンピュータエンタテインメント様へお問い合わせください。

http://www.jp.playstation.com/support/

"PlayStation 3"のHDD換装に関しましては、以下のウェブページもご参照ください。

http://jp-playstation.custhelp.com/a...tail/a_id/270/


なお、"PlayStation 2"をご利用中の場合は今回の変更の影響は受けません。"PlayStation 3"をご利用中の場合で空き容量が不足している場合にはその旨が表示されますので、必要に応じて空き容量の確保や、HDD換装等をご検討ください。

今後ともファイナルファンタジーXIに変わらぬご愛顧を賜りますようお願い申し上げます。

Google translate reads like so:


"PlayStation 3" Important Information available to everyone in

"PlayStation 3" (60GB model / CECHA00, 20GB Models / CECHB00) using the
"PlayStation 2" Important Notice to Our version of Final Fantasy XI available

Thanks for your patronage is Final Fantasy XI, Thank you.

As a result of consultation with Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. This time, in response to continued operation of a future Final Fantasy XI, "PlayStation 2" of the current hard disk space required during your stay in Final Fantasy XI edition announced today will be extended to 21GB from 12GB.

This change is carried out in as Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. since February 2012 "PlayStation 3" will be performed at the system software update.

This current "PlayStation 3" (20GB model / CECHB00) on "PlayStation 2" in the case of Final Fantasy XI version available after this update will not be able to secure the necessary capacity. So, on this occasion "PlayStation 3" Do you consider the retrofit of the HDD, we ask that you consider the available for Windows.


"PlayStation 3" in terms of behavior, please contact for Sony Computer Entertainment.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/support/

"PlayStation 3" is the HDD retrofit regard, please refer to the following web page.

http://jp-playstation.custhelp.com/a...tail/a_id/270/


In addition, "PlayStation 2" available in the case of the impact of this change is not affected. "PlayStation 3" when insufficient space is available in case it appears that effect, and to maintain the space as needed, etc. Please consider retrofit HDD.

We look forward to your patronage will continue unchanged in the Final Fantasy XI.

Looks like people playing ffxi for PS2 on their 60GB PS3 are about to be screwed...

[Vold]

yo JP! your PS3 has a crappy HDD, so get a new HDD via Sony or consider windows version because it will not handle FFXI after the next PS3 patch. PS2 will remain unaffected.

Unfortunately it is not the long awaited news of "upgrade to ps3 or PC, PS2 is a goner"

[Nordya]

The google translate does mention that the partition on the hard drive would change to 21gb from 12gb and it does seem to mention the PS2 hard drive changing.

[Kristal]

yo JP! your PS3 has a crappy HDD, so get a new HDD via Sony or consider windows version because it will not handle FFXI after the next PS3 patch. PS2 will remain unaffected.

You do not need to order a HDD from Sony. Any proper laptop 2,5'' HDD will work, and it doesn't even void the warranty. When I hit the limit of 20GB myself, I backed up the data on a portable HDD(FAT32) via the USB, installed a 300GB HDD, and restored the data back to it.
The only trick involved is to use the proper screwdriver for it, as the blue-metal screw is made of butter and deforms easily.

What this message does seem to suggest is that Sony is making a FFXI-specific version of the PS2 for use on the PS3, and it requires a larger HDD space, larger then the smallest PS3 HDD space sold in stores.

[Infidi]

The original PS2 HDD was 20GB , right? What I read it as is this: If you have a 20GB HDD for PS3 gonna have to upgrade. If you got a PS2 that has a 20GB HDD, gonna have to upgrade to a PS3 with a larger HDD? Or Can the PS2 handle a 'custom HDD' and a large capacity one?

[Runespider]

Can't read and understand the google translation fully atm since I am about to go out but could this be the start of full blown expansions again? I assume we were getting mini-expansion with reskins etc due to PS2 HD space contract limitations.

[Infidi]

On another note. Alittle more info (kinda?) on FFXI on Vita. Though it TECHNICALLY isn't that, Remote Play would seem to let you play it on the Vita through your PS3? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BrEs_InGXlw#t=43s Its probably just gonna be actual PS3 games though. :(

[Francisco]

Not to jump to conclusions, but it seems like they're increasing the required partition for FFXI from 12 GB to 21 GB...

That's a pretty damned huge increase, and could mean a few things...

- Several new areas
- Planned expansions
- HD redesign of areas / models / textures (unlikely)
- Many new models, possible redesign of some equipment, uniqueness, etc
- New game engine, optimized code
- Or perhaps none of these...

It's interesting though... a 9 GB increase is a LOT for FFXI...

Basically says if you're playing on a 20 GB version of a PS2 or PS3, you'll need to upgrade the HD, or get FFXI for Windows.

There's no need to make such an announcement for the PC version, as they can just keep adding content... with PS2/3 they need to have Sony increase their HD allotment.

With XBox 360... I'm not entirely sure how that works...

But the important thing to take away from this, is SE anticipates using up to another 9 GB of HD space... (probably quite a bit less, as they'd certainly want too much space than too little... still, 9 GB points to something "big" being added)

[Alhanelem]

Any proper laptop 3,5'' HDD will workLaptop hard drives are 2.5"

[Runespider]

I would hope they would give an explanation for this when they translate it, it does seem obvious that they want to open the way to release proper big expansions again (since they very often blamed PS2 space issues for many things) but would be nice if they actually said it for once.

[Sealdorie]

I thought the PS2 Hard Drive was 40GB?

(I can only guess from the information shown on this old amazon link for ffxi PS2 version)

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XI-HDD-Playstation-2/dp/B00012TIWS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327430883&sr=8-1

"If you're using a 20GB version of the PS3 to play FFXI, please upgrade or use windows" is what I see out of it.

An official word would be great!

[Avelonia]

The original was posted over a week ago in the announcement section of the JP forums. Given the recent surge of community team activity the past week I'm quite surprised we haven't gotten one in ours.

[Camate]

Greetings.

We uploaded a Knowledge Base article with information about this (which can be viewed here (http://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?kid=61264&id=20&la=1&ret=faq&pv=10&page=0&c=0&sc=0&so=4&q=PS3)).

We will be increasing the partition size for FFXI on PS2 in a future update and and as it only affects a small number of users (specifically PS3 20GB HDD users), we chose this route so as not to confuse those that utilize other systems/harddrive configurations.

Hopefully this clears up any confusion!

[Kalilla]

OMG CAMATE IS A BEHEMOTH NOW

Moogle > Behemoth :(

Still cool

[Runespider]

We will be increasing the partition size for FFXI on PS2 in a future update

So is this the groundwork for future "big" updates to FFXI?

[Camate]

OMG CAMATE IS A BEHEMOTH NOW

Moogle > Behemoth :(

Still cool

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

[Kalilla]

lol XD....

[Sealdorie]

...That's a really big moogle.... or a really small behemoth... oh god the physics /implodes


(btw thanks for the translation!)

[Avelonia]

OMG CAMATE IS A BEHEMOTH NOW

See what happens when you make a moogle angry!!

[Ciecle]

See what happens when you make a moogle angry!!

exactly what i was thinking... people should have known he was going to come back and meteor everyone with all the rage built up!

[Zubis]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

Camate Rage Mode, ACTIVATE!

...

We're doomed.

[Babekeke]

All this about a 20GB PS3 got me thinking... wasn't the 60GB PS3 the only one that was backwards convertable?

P.S. Any specifics on why FFXI is suddenly increasing in size by 75%?

[Zubis]

Because they're simply running out of space? Sony enforced a partition size limitation years ago on the HDD so that one game couldn't chew up the entire drive. I doubt there's anything out there currently that uses the HDD aside from FFXI, so there's no need for the limit anymore.

[Sealdorie]

The original 20, 60 and 80GB PS3s were backwards compatible... its been over a year since I quit my job at a game store so my memory is a little rusty but if I remember right the 20 and 60GB were manufactured with actual PS2 components while the 80GB ran some sort of emulation software.

I personally own a backwards compatible 60GB PS3.

[Morier]

When you feed a moogle after midnight that is what happens, eh?

[Zaknafein]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

I like the new look.

[Kitkat]

The original 20, 60 and 80GB PS3s were backwards compatible... its been over a year since I quit my job at a game store so my memory is a little rusty but if I remember right the 20 and 60GB were manufactured with actual PS2 components while the 80GB ran some sort of emulation software.

I personally own a backwards compatible 60GB PS3.

You are correct about this. Prior to the 80gb model the reverse compatibility was done via hardware components while the later models started using software emulation because it was cheaper to manufacture if I recall correctly. I miss my 60gb ps3 sometimes.

[Sealdorie]

You are correct about this. Prior to the 80gb model the reverse compatibility was done via hardware components while the later models started using software emulation because it was cheaper to manufacture if I recall correctly. I miss my 60gb ps3 sometimes.

I don't use mine for anything other than Netflix anymore. I found out very quickly after buying mine (the 60GB) that playing PS2 games on it was sort of pointless...since the freaking thing would constantly corrupt the "memory card" slot on the hard drive thus rendering hours of work useless. There were other annoying things such as graphical glitches and hang ups that made it pretty much more desirable to just keep my old PS2 hooked up to the TV.

[Zumi]

What are they going to do with the original PS2 where the partition size is hard coded at 10gb?

[Babekeke]

From what I could understand from the JP thread, it used to be limited to 12 GB by Sony, but they're removed the restriction, or upped it to 21GB.

[Zumi]

From what I could understand from the JP thread, it used to be limited to 12 GB by Sony, but they're removed the restriction, or upped it to 21GB.

That is for PS3 running the PS2 version not the actual PS2 which has no way to update firmware.

[Juilan]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

back to the moogle! put on a behemoth mask if you like though :p

[Francisco]

For the record, "PS2 Limitations" weren't really about HD space, but memory issues. It's why we supposedly can't have more than 80 inventory, more macros, possibly more spells at some point...


I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

I think you, Rukkirii, Gildrein and Bayohne should have some sort of bet/contest.

The winner gets to set their choice of avatar from Byakko, Seiryu and Suzaku... second place gets to chose between the remaining two, third place gets whatever is left.

And the loser gets Genbu.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :pIs that like the backsmith or the watermelon vendor? Never mess with the watermelon vendor...

[Nala]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

i used to be a moogle like you, then i took a behemoth to the knee...

[Mizuharu]

I was a behemoth in moogle's clothing this whole time. Who knew? :p

YOU FOOL! Why would you reveal your secret?! Don't you know how many MNKs are missing a Behemoth's Tongue to finish their Black Belts?! Now people will be hunting you down! D:

[Karbuncle]

Camate should really just switch to Milord Promathia, For his Meteor is the only true salvation.

[Moink]

i used to be a moogle like you, then i took a behemoth to the knee...

Ah ha... the ill-fated skyrim pun with a ffxi twist...

[Teraniku]

You do not need to order a HDD from Sony. Any proper laptop 3,5'' HDD will work,

.

Which is why the PS3 is better than that other console which has a "buy our overpriced Hard drives for our console because we want to maintain unnecessary control over everything on our console." (I know there's a probably a hack around this, but it still sucks.)

[Kristal]

Laptop hard drives are 2.5"

Oooh.. that explains why I had to fold the HDD in half to fit it in... typos be damned!

[oliveira]

PS2 harddrives only come in one size and that is 40 GB. As Kristal mentioned, they're "custom" and only the ones sold by SONY will work. But they're "your OLD" and popular SEAGATE (ST320015) or MAXTOR (4D040H2 or 2F040L0) 5400 RPM model PATA drive from 2001. The cheapest kind they could find back then ... D: Lame, you know.

[Dsherman]

The Playstation 3 system update has been put in place. I just got it today.

If you play FFXI on the models of PS3 that allow that, and you do not have enough free space for the 9gig extension either because you do not want to delete things to make room, or because you have the 20gig HDD which just is not big enough, you can continue to play FFXI for now by NOT ACCEPTING the PS3 system update. You will not be able to sign on to Playstation Network, but FFXI will continue to run.

At some point later, SE will extend the actual FFXI block for the PS2 version in a Playonline Viewer Update. At that time, it will no longer be possible to play FFXI on any PS3 that has not accepted this system update. But until that time, you should be able to continue without the PS3 system update if you wish to do so. The Playonline Viewer Update will also be updating the size of the block on a real PS2 HDD at that time.

There is no way to back out the PS3 system update once it has been installed.

And remember that all of this still only applies to the older model PS3 systems that have PS2 backward compatibility. The newer models will get the update too, but since FFXI can't be played on those systems, it doesn't matter.

[SpankWustler]

The Playstation 3 system update has been put in place. I just got it today.

If you play FFXI on the models of PS3 that allow that, and you do not have enough free space for the 9gig extension either because you do not want to delete things to make room, or because you have the 20gig HDD which just is not big enough, you can continue to play FFXI for now by NOT ACCEPTING the PS3 system update. You will not be able to sign on to Playstation Network, but FFXI will continue to run.

At some point later, SE will extend the actual FFXI block for the PS2 version in a Playonline Viewer Update. At that time, it will no longer be possible to play FFXI on any PS3 that has not accepted this system update. But until that time, you should be able to continue without the PS3 system update if you wish to do so. The Playonline Viewer Update will also be updating the size of the block on a real PS2 HDD at that time.

There is no way to back out the PS3 system update once it has been installed.

And remember that all of this still only applies to the older model PS3 systems that have PS2 backward compatibility. The newer models will get the update too, but since FFXI can't be played on those systems, it doesn't matter.

This all sounds so convoluted.

I have to wonder if just making an app to help people search nearby dumpsters for discarded yet functional PC's would have been a more efficient solution for all parties involved.

[Gingerhurricane]

the update news has been out for a while. if you have ps3 20gb backwards compatible you need to upgrade your HD. if you don't then you can't play. only other system thats backwards compatible is the 60 which is unaffected.

[Lucialynn]

the 20 GB, 60 GB and the 80 GB PS3 with 4 USB ports are backwards compitable, the 80 GB with 2 USB ports is not
and the PS2 has only ever had a 40 GB HD
I got the 40 GB HD with FF XI the day it was released in USA, March 2004, think 28th if I remember
I did and do play mostly on PC
atm play on PS3, 60 GB
have FF XI for PS2 (Installed on PS3), 360 and PC

[Dsherman]

SE has announced that the June 13/14 update to FFXI will be expanding the size of the FFIX Data stored on the PS2 HDD.

This will require that the expansion of the emulation of the PS2 HDD on the PS3 (which is all that was being expanded at the original date of the earlier posts in this thread) must be in place.

If users of PS3 systems have not previously accepted the PS3 system update that did the increase in the space available for FFXI, you will need to do so before you can play again following the maintenance on June 13/14.

Users of PS3 systems with the 20gig HDD (or other systems without enough free space to complete the expansion of the PS2 HDD emulation) that have not accepted that PS3 system update have been able to continue to play FFXI on their PS3 system until now. That will end on June 13 at 2pm PDT when this maintenance begins.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Sounds like it will no longer be (legitimately) possible to play FFXI on a system with OtherOS still available.

[wildsprite]

the PS2 hard drive partition size was never hard coded in the original model PS2, I dont know where you got this information but, it would have been a difficult and costly mistake, even if it was firmware it could easily be corrected by a software update set to write the firmware, you should also be aware that it was Square that urged/convinced Sony to bring the drive to the USA, as it was Sony had no intention to release it due to lack of software, SE were probably given everything they needed to fix any oversights from Sony, the PS2 hard drives were all 40GB in the USA, I'm not sure about the Japanese models, I suspect they were also

the idea with the Japanese PS2 having the drive outside of the PS2 connected with a card close to the size of a credit card was a smarter design, but SCEA thought if they released that design people would just import the Japanese drives and they would just lose money

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

the PS2 hard drive partition size was never hard coded in the original model PS2, I dont know where you got this information but,

As I recall, the problem is not the memory capacity of the drive itself (my PS2 still has a bigger drive than my Xbox 360, after all), but that Sony policy, until recently, limited each game's partition on the drive to a certain maximum size, one that XI has been (in)famously bumping up against recently. This change to expand XI's presence on the drive comes on the heels of Sony getting rid of that policy.

If you want to (legitimately) publish on a console, you have to follow all of the console maker's rules. The 360 version has to go through Xbox Live, and the PS2 version had to deal with arbitrary size restrictions.

[Dsherman]

the PS2 hard drive partition size was never hard coded in the original model PS2, I dont know where you got this information but, it would have been a difficult and costly mistake, even if it was firmware it could easily be corrected by a software update set to write the firmware, you should also be aware that it was Square that urged/convinced Sony to bring the drive to the USA, as it was Sony had no intention to release it due to lack of software, SE were probably given everything they needed to fix any oversights from Sony, the PS2 hard drives were all 40GB in the USA, I'm not sure about the Japanese models, I suspect they were also

the idea with the Japanese PS2 having the drive outside of the PS2 connected with a card close to the size of a credit card was a smarter design, but SCEA thought if they released that design people would just import the Japanese drives and they would just lose money

I'm really not sure what you are referring to if you are talking about my post.

I can only guess you have mis-read the post. The drive size on a real PS2 has always been 40gig.

The post I made refers to the emulated PS2 HDD size on a PS3. Look very carefully at the last character of that last acronym. It is a 3. As in THREE.

That emulated drive size was indeed increased by 9gig (from 12gig to 21gig) by a PS3 system update that was released by Sony around the time of my first post in this thread which was done on February 7, 2012. It will have only happened on PS3 systems that have PS2 backward compatibility and also have FFXI installed.

That portion of the expansion had NOTHING to do with a real PS2.

[Zumi]

Since PS2 is getting an update as well 10GB to 19GB possible new expansion maybe to be announced at Vanafest?

[Eric]

You guys should really know better than to get your hopes up like that.

[Keyln]

Why else would Sony update the hard drives to increase the partition size of FFXI for 9 gigs? That's a huge amount of space, especially for a game that's been essentially on auto-pilot.

There's a big something coming down the pipeline, and we'll see it at the end of the month.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get my hopes up about a Dissidia version of FFXI...

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Why else would Sony update the hard drives to increase the partition size of FFXI for 9 gigs? That's a huge amount of space, especially for a game that's been essentially on auto-pilot.

Because, at this point in the PS2's lifespan, there's no reason not to. Even if there is to be a new PS2 game published, the odds of it using the HDD are essentially zero. Meanwhile, Sony has an idea of what HDD usage would look like in a worst-case scenario; I'm betting 21 GiB (40 GiB - FFXI) is just about enough to install all published HDD-using games on the same PS2.


There's a big something coming down the pipeline, and we'll see it at the end of the month.

And where, praytell, is "Super Big Awesome Game-Saving Surprise" slated on the Vana'fest schedule? Will it be during the cosplay contest, or the music concert?

(On a side note, if the devs mention XIV at the Vana'fest, and the context is anything but "We're sorry we've been forsaking you in favor of..." then I hope the attendees will have brought torches and pitchforks.)

[Alhanelem]

just say GB and MB. Nobody is going to accept or regularly use the new abbriviation intended to remove ambiguity between the different definitions of what a GB and MB is. It was well intentioned, but shorter abbriviation > longer abbriviation, even if it's politically incorrect.

(I believe it's supposed to be where 1024 KiB = 1 MiB / 1024 MiB = 1 GiB whereas MB is supposed to be 1000 KB = 1 MB / 1000 MB = 1 GB- but for years they've been essentially interchangable aside from being abused by hard drive manufacturers to make it look like a drive has more capacity than it really does when Windows uses the MiB system instead of the MB system)

[end geeky nerdy offtopickyness]

[wildsprite]

I'm really not sure what you are referring to if you are talking about my post.

I can only guess you have mis-read the post. The drive size on a real PS2 has always been 40gig.

The post I made refers to the emulated PS2 HDD size on a PS3. Look very carefully at the last character of that last acronym. It is a 3. As in THREE.

That emulated drive size was indeed increased by 9gig (from 12gig to 21gig) by a PS3 system update that was released by Sony around the time of my first post in this thread which was done on February 7, 2012. It will have only happened on PS3 systems that have PS2 backward compatibility and also have FFXI installed.

That portion of the expansion had NOTHING to do with a real PS2.

no, my response was not about your post, your post was clear, my response was about this post


What are they going to do with the original PS2 where the partition size is hard coded at 10gb?

that idea is misinformation, none of the PS2 models were ever hard coded to force a partition size, if anything it might have been a firmware issue with some of the drives, but that is something easily fixed, and what you believe about that was probably Sony enforcing their partition size rule not a hardware code thing, infact as far as I'm aware the only system that had anything close to a hard coded partition size was the original xbox, you could not get around that without a hardware or software mod, but the PS2 never had that issue