Abyssea Adjustments - Un-leech

[Topdogg]

We all know the main reason we dislike exping in abyssea is because of leechers. Well, Maybe one way we can fix this is to have a system that if/when your character becomes inactive for a certain amount of time (10-30 mins), it would automatically toss you out of abyssea. By inactive, I mean not casting a spell, chatting or moving. I think with this along with the minimum lvl 70+, it would be litterly impossible to leech and would make lvling in Abyssea much more funner and productive. What do you think?

[Zumi]

No just No.

If you have a problem with people taking level 30 jobs to get exp in abyssea then don't join those parties. If SE actually did listen to you complainers and raised the level cap on abyssea next thing you be complaining about is how you have nobody to do keys now and how nobody wants to do them because they need their curor for brewing NMs.

[Andevom]

I'm in strong support of raising the minimum level. I'm all for 70+, but only if they adjusted it so that experience wouldn't be hindered for all who enter. Otherwise, make it 75+.

Come on people. With experience essentially being a permanent Anni. Ring now, is it really that bad leveling outside of Abyssea?

[Futan]

Was thinking they should lower it to 1, tbh.

[Nahal]

in terms of an inactivity kick, i dont think that'd be the worst idea, nothing is more annoying than building a group, getting it all running, then some douche going AFK so they can get exp without doing anything

[wintermute]

inb4 /follow leeches

[Rambus]

yes I like it I am getting tired of people accpeting people afking for hours on end.

like i said in other abyssea threads i REALLY want to know why it was min 30 in the first place, you dont have people that are level 30 leeching dynamis so I do not get the reason.

this is the feeling i have now with abyssea party :

2 people that are well geared and 90 getting merits
3 people that are 75+ in acceptable gear
1 healer

1 key leecher

rest is made up of compuslive afk leeching/ level 10 scythe darks and so on.

[Malamasala]

Come on people. With experience essentially being a permanent Anni. Ring now, is it really that bad leveling outside of Abyssea?

Yes, because there you have to rest MP, while in Abyssea you have refresh. Fix that and MAYBE it would be worth doing something outside abyssea for low levels.

[Topdogg]

inb4 /follow leeches

inb4 /gearswap

[wintermute]

inb4 /gearswap

plan blown out of the water >_<

auto-run into a wall.

[longbow71]

kicking for being inactive can be done by a party leader. As far as kicking for being inactive I am strongly against this, mainly because I party with a group for a long while to build time until I'm too tired tp play any more and drop from the party. Then I go inactive in the zone with about 10-12 hours worth of minutes.

After I get about 5 hours of sleep I start farming the zone til I run out of space in my inventory and leave and sell all of the Dark rings I collected for mega gil. Not forgeting all the skills I get for my other weapons that bst dont normally use like dagger sword and club, as well as parry skills.

[Andevom]

Yes, because there you have to rest MP, while in Abyssea you have refresh. Fix that and MAYBE it would be worth doing something outside abyssea for low levels.

The downtime is really not that bad with a normal Refresh. Not having to bother with chests to get 500+ EXP is also pretty nice too.

[Rambus]

Yes, because there you have to rest MP, while in Abyssea you have refresh. Fix that and MAYBE it would be worth doing something outside abyssea for low levels.

there was a sudy on this concept with babies, you can give the baby a small toy, and it was happy (ATU buff in exp rate) then you give the baby a bigger toy it was happy ( abyssea) then when you take the toy away and give the first toy back to it ( AHU level rate) it was unahppy. really people hate the idea of resting?

*inset back in my day rants* like all we had to rest in was dark staff and people where happy with the new 5k-10k hr standered that ATU gave.


kicking for being inactive can be done by a party leader. As far as kicking for being inactive I am strongly against this, mainly because I party with a group for a long while to build time until I'm too tired tp play any more and drop from the party. Then I go inactive in the zone with about 10-12 hours worth of minutes.

After I get about 5 hours of sleep I start farming the zone til I run out of space in my inventory and leave and sell all of the Dark rings I collected for mega gil. Not forgeting all the skills I get for my other weapons that bst dont normally use like dagger sword and club, as well as parry skills.

more reason i support the OP, does the game really need to be this easy?

[Topdogg]

kicking for being inactive can be done by a party leader. As far as kicking for being inactive I am strongly against this, mainly because I party with a group for a long while to build time until I'm too tired tp play any more and drop from the party. Then I go inactive in the zone with about 10-12 hours worth of minutes.

After I get about 5 hours of sleep I start farming the zone til I run out of space in my inventory and leave and sell all of the Dark rings I collected for mega gil. Not forgeting all the skills I get for my other weapons that bst dont normally use like dagger sword and club, as well as parry skills.

Yes, but noramally the leader is too busy playing his job than to rather stare at a non moving character to determine if he/she is afk. And about your inactivity in abyssea/time built, you could just logout to keep from getting kicked from zone.

[Topdogg]

there was a sudy on this concept with babies, you can give the baby a small toy, and it was happy (ATU buff in exp rate) then you give the baby a bigger toy it was happy ( abyssea) then when you take the toy away and give the first toy back to it ( AHU level rate) it was unahppy. really people hate the idea of resting?

*inset back in my day rants* like all we had to rest in was dark staff and people where happy with the new 5k-10k hr standered that ATU gave.

Then we need to stop being babies. :P

[Sinthetic]

Or you can have the PT leader Kick ! the Person who is aFK long time And the issue is solved

[Harpalina]

I agree wholeheartedly Topdogg. I have zero tolerance for people who persistently goes AFK without saying anything for like 10 minutes+...hell, even 5 minutes+. I can't stand seeing leechers take their 30 jobs to 90 in the same party or within a span of a couple days. I've said this is another post and I'll repeat it here: I think that the experience you receive (both literal experience points and figurative experience you receive when encountering different situations) shapes you into a better player. Now, I understand some jobs are just plain brainless. You sit there, hit attack, use your weapon skill, use job abilities, and boom. That's all folks! Abyssea I believe has dumbed down the gameplay for us, as consumers; it has made things ridiculously easy. Now, that's not to say I haven't benefited from Abyssea, seeing as how I have 5 jobs at 90 and have done my fair share of Abyssea-related partying and events. It almost feels like the levels and areas from 10 to 70 have been rendered completely useless. Look at Campaign and Besieged...not to mention Assaults and Salvage...it's pretty much barren. I think by raising the Abyssea level to 70+, it would breathe new life into the lower levels as well as repair some of the damage that's been inflicted upon Campaign and Besieged...not to mention the poor auction house economy and variety of items and gears that's available for auction.


Yes, because there you have to rest MP, while in Abyssea you have refresh. Fix that and MAYBE it would be worth doing something outside abyssea for low levels.

With the lower levels, you don't need 10MP refresh ticks otherwise you would be overpowered...that's why there's Fields of Valor Regen and Refresh...as well as Reraise. And they did fix it...by upping the experience points yielded in non-Abyssea areas. Empress Band + chain 5 = 1000 exp. HELLO?! Patience is a virtue and that's what this game was built on when it was released. Now everything is 'hurry, hurry...gotta get that next level..omfgwtfbbqcats ICANTWAIT. I NEED MOAR LEVELSSSSSSS!!!!!!!111111one!" and quite frankly that mentality is irritating and noobish at best.

[Vivik]

No thanks. I support leeching in Abyssea.

[HFX7686]

As someone who has never leeched a job in Abyssea I do not mind the current level minimums for entry into the Abyssea zones. It doesn't bother me and I've never understood why it bothers other people. Just don't play with people who don't play in a way you find unacceptable. Abyssea entry requirements are fine. Leave them as is please.

[Alhanelem]

What do I think? I think this subject needs to be dropped. If a party is willing to allow a "leecher" then there should be no issue. If you don't like it, then form your own party and dont invite anyone you label a leecher.

The level limit is already higher for dynamis than Abyssea anyway. Anyone who is able to enter is at least somewhat able to contribute.

TL;DR: It's not a problem and doesn't need to be addressed. Who is going to go into dynamis just for the EXP anyway?

[Greatguardian]

I would have had a much more annoying time farming my Empyreans if such a silly function was in place. When I had over 1,200 minutes in Abyssea - Tahrongi, my buddies and I just left our characters online near #01 and went to sleep so we didn't have to rebuild lights or worry about time when we woke up. We were definitely afk for at least 6 hours, but we weren't bothering anyone. I know of at least a dozen other Empyrean owners who have used similar strategies. Not having to worry about TE or lights cuts down a *Ton* of time and lets you focus entirely on NMs.

I also had no issue with bringing in my friend's level 30 WHM mule to leech exp up to 90 just sitting there while he pulled cleaves on his Thf. He's a veteran player, leveling up a mule to help himself solo things. The mule didn't affect my gameplay, and it was another body with which to hold a pop set for Chloris. I was better off for having it there. He was better off for having it there.

inb4 Anecdotal evidence about how afk'ing at 01 caused someone's console to explode.

[Rambus]

Then we need to stop being babies. :P

it was a test in human nature that someone did, that was my point in the post, peopel cant stand getting something better then going back


I would have had a much more annoying time farming my Empyreans if such a silly function was in place. When I had over 1,200 minutes in Abyssea - Tahrongi, my buddies and I just left our characters online near #01 and went to sleep so we didn't have to rebuild lights or worry about time when we woke up. We were definitely afk for at least 6 hours, but we weren't bothering anyone. I know of at least a dozen other Empyrean owners who have used similar strategies. Not having to worry about TE or lights cuts down a *Ton* of time and lets you focus entirely on NMs.

I also had no issue with bringing in my friend's level 30 WHM mule to leech exp up to 90 just sitting there while he pulled cleaves on his Thf. He's a veteran player, leveling up a mule to help himself solo things. The mule didn't affect my gameplay, and it was another body with which to hold a pop set for Chloris. I was better off for having it there. He was better off for having it there.

inb4 Anecdotal evidence about how afk'ing at 01 caused someone's console to explode.

more reason for what the OP said should be in place, there is a cap 120 min saved for a reason

emps are easy enough.

though people might try work around that by auto running into walls, people are always trying to abuse systems.

[Detoxy]

If u dont like it then dont join the Alliance or leave its that simple. Plus peps can get jobs up much easier this way.

[Alhanelem]

Really, why can't people accept the situation and just not play with people you don't like (because they're "leeching")? They're not harming anyone but possibly themselves.

[Greatguardian]

more reason for what the OP said should be in place, there is a cap 120 min saved for a reason

emps are easy enough.

What? Is saving the extreme amounts of time you've accumulated by not leaving a zone somehow exploiting the mechanic? Emps are easy. Not having to rebuild lights or worry about time doesn't make them easier, it makes them less tedious. I don't understand how any of that affects your gameplay, or heck, how any of that can even be considered improper. Getting 1,000+ minutes is not cheating, it's getting 1,000+ minutes. It's not like they just rained down for free.

[MarkovChain]

When I had over 1,200 minutes in Abyssea - Tahrongi..

You spent the whole day farming time so that you can sleep and stay in abyssea ?


Not having to worry about TE or lights cuts down a *Ton* of time and lets you focus entirely on NMs.


30 minutes, top.

[Samunai]

i agree with harpy up here

there enough ppl stupid enough to have a job at a high level, leeched through afking and have to skill up the rest of their days to even do some considerable damage. Even I did some leeching, i wont deny, it was cool last summer when key-*hore was introduced. But i think only a handful (like me) take their time to actually learn the job and not "attack, ws, boom' it all.

All together I leeched only 4 jobs, and i have 14 jobs atm. and I think i can call at least 3 of those jobs; i own the way how to use it. (on is still in progress of perfecting ;P). Its not that i defend myself its merely i /disgust at ppl who dont think its prior is about how to use and gear ur job. I see soooo many thfs in full aurore with stupid level 50 dex rings , ... even one with mandau! (bahamut servers players know who im talking about ;))

At the start of this abyssea run on leeching i told a few peeps SE did this on intent; making ppl at 30 possible to enter. And u know why? its all.... about... politics and 'knowing the right friends'. Politics bc: ppl discuss about the matter ppl are leeching, like we do here. We decide if we kick ppl or not, or invite ppl or not (who afk, or are just plain dump crash exp chains w/e more) we disucss lots of shit in /p when we do parties in abyssea about what is right or not, or what can be allowed or not. The right friend policy if about having the right friends who will let u be able to leech or normal pt with them. If u know the right 'evil' friends, they let u leech all u want and be gimped with 20x 90'(+) jobs.... and run away with all the prizes/KI's and w/e mre that drop.

Abyssea is mere a game of psychological base. If ppl have enough stuff in their guts then they will learn the job and not just level it. If u have a strong psychological state of mind, u know u have to skill up, help curing leeching (/whm or w/e) help open box, gear it up and farm for gills so pay for it, make a fair enough drop system in treasure and with KI's and AUG items and AF shoes, be nice to ppl and keep them all being nice to you (networking!:P), make it an effort to search for ppl so ur alliance can go on killing and not those 3 have to go 'afk' from killing to find their rep. blabalbalbal. If u cann cope with allllll of this; then ur OK to leech from me, even if u make ur job a job like how it should play.

but.... if u ... go afk and dont intend to learn ur *ucking job. DAMN right imma be haunting u forever! Or go play WoW if it goes to slow for ya! everything needs practise and time. Go live with it or gtfo and live ur REAL LIFE life....


aaah... thats a relief... :D

[Greatguardian]

You spent the whole day farming time so that you can sleep and stay in abyssea ?



30 minutes, top.

30 minutes per session, and it adds up if you take more sittings to complete the weapon. The weapons are only a 20~ish hour time commitment as is, splitting that into 6 sessions adds 3 hours of work to it. That's a 15% increase in workload.

And no, I did not need to spend the whole day farming time. Cata-cleaving left me with more than enough TEs while farming pop sets for the NMs. With the number of people I let leech chest exp, we were never in short supply of bodies to hold KIs, giving Cleaving a time advantage over specific NM hunting (in Tahrongi).

[Laverda]

Just kick inactive leeches from the party/alliance. Then they'll just sit there until they're kicked out without getting any benefits. No need to do anything on the game mechanics level.

Sometimes you have to check up on people you don't know, target them and see where they are. We found one hiding inside a martello once.

[Miera]

I honestly wish the cap was at 75 for Abyssea because I felt that Abyssea should be meant for high leveling XP parties/merit parties. Also, its not so much of the fact that you join so many parties with leechers, its the fact that everyone can burn their job to 90 and not know how to use their job properly. I mean, I had a level 90 WHM ask me how their Afflatus abilities work and you get them so early in the level to get time to understand what it does.

[Pennylane]

Like it or not , I watch for people to afk (usually without a brb -.- ) for extended periods of time. I ask others if the afk'er said brb , which brings attention to the fact they are indeed leeching. After that , they usually get kicked and / or warped after 5 minute warning. For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?

[Penance]

If i am using more then one char to lvl one of the chars while killing on the other, this solution would stop me from doing so.
So I am completely against it.

Furthermore people can lvl jobs outside of abyssea as well and not know the job, it depends if you want to spend time reading up information or not. One could lvl a job to help trigger !!, you dont need to know how to play the job for that much. You do not need to lvl your job outside of abyssea to learn how , you just need to be interested in learning how to play it.

[Harpalina]

I mean, I had a level 90 WHM ask me how their Afflatus abilities work and you get them so early in the level to get time to understand what it does.

...Seriously? As my first 75 was WHM...this makes my heart cry a thousand rivers. Granted, I didn't have the Afflatus abilities when I hit 75, that's irrelevant.


For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?

WIN.

[Amerlyn]

I'll admit, I leech. But I try for constructive leeching. I never AFK leech. And only Leech my SJs. If I am on a 30+ job leeching it to sub, its b/c I'd rather not have to waste gil or time for a job that is only gonna be a SJ. I also never just jump on a job and leech. If I am in a party, I will ask the party if its ok. If even one person says nay I won't leech. I will just continue getting merits (definitely need it, 9+ 75+ jobs and haven't gotten all my merits for them yet). And by constructive Leeching, I will be the parties slave. If they need me to search for a replacement I will (lets the leader focus on more important detail).. I'll do item runs for a player if needed (it may reset my exp, but I'm not going to complain if the party is letting me leech).. I'll key (though i haven't had to do this yet - only been back on game 2 weeks after 2+yrs, I am still learning abyssea). point being I try to still be beneficial to the party, they are sacrificing a spot that could be more beneficial to them to let me leech.

Also, my opinion here. Its up to the party as to whether or not allow a leecher. If one person disagrees in the party, it shouldn't be done. Also I know how it is to have the leader spot, they do stay busy, they can't focus on everything, and more than likely won't notice if someone is AFK leeching, and just temp afk for food/drink/wc. I believe it is up to the party to inform the leaders of an AFK leecher (if the party didn't agree to the leecher) so that they can kick them.

If you happen to join a party and don't agree with a Leecher being there, let it be known. Who knows maybe they will kick the person, or the person will change for u. Or another thought, put in your search comments Leechers No Thanks, so they know if they want you, they have to get rid of the leecher/s in the pty, or they just move onto the next person to invite.

Guess what I'm saying is I don't think the level cap should be changed and i'm not against leechers so long as its approved by ALL the party members first.

[MarkovChain]

30 minutes per session, and it adds up if you take more sittings to complete the weapon. The weapons are only a 20~ish hour time commitment as is, splitting that into 6 sessions adds 3 hours of work to it. That's a 15% increase in workload.

And no, I did not need to spend the whole day farming time. Cata-cleaving left me with more than enough TEs while farming pop sets for the NMs. With the number of people I let leech chest exp, we were never in short supply of bodies to hold KIs, giving Cleaving a time advantage over specific NM hunting (in Tahrongi).

Since you are are always easy on time there is no reason to not exit abyssea when you log this would get rid of the ruby light that may arise when killing NM for instance, so in the end it would increase the frequency of gold chest and therefore KI gathering time . Two single ruby kills break everything. You are always better off logging and starting over, not to mention that when you wake up it's JP prime and you won't get any coffer in your cleaves.

edit=Not to mention that if you have enough stones (you should) it will be more productive to cap amber first, farm-cleave KI, until you are 6/6 then kill NMs..

[Linh]

I disagree with raising the level cap.

1. Experience points in Abyssea does not decrease when there are more members in the group (unless there are too many leechers in the group, than that is the leader's fault for inviting them)

2. Ask the leader to kick them

3. Build your own party. In Jeuno do this, "Abyssea [Experience Points]? [Key] [Person] [No Thanks]. Lv75+ [please]"

4. If you build your own party for whatever reason (Abyssea exp, missions etc) and a person you invited doesn't know how to do their job for whatever reason (they either leeched, or are truly slow to grasp and understand things) then you help them out to better understand what to do, OR kick them.

[Greatguardian]

Since you are are always easy on time there is no reason to not exit abyssea when you log this would get rid of the ruby light that may arise when killing NM for instance, so in the end it would increase the frequency of gold chest and therefore KI gathering time . Two single ruby kills break everything. You are always better off logging and starting over, not to mention that when you wake up it's JP prime and you won't get any coffer in your cleaves.

edit=Not to mention that if you have enough stones (you should) it will be more productive to cap amber first, farm-cleave KI, until you are 6/6 then kill NMs..

Are you speaking from experience or what? It's one thing to theorycraft, but "One or two ruby breaks everything"? Really? We finished two Empyreans in maybe 4-5 days taking it slowly. Burning stones does use up time as well, warping, replenishing stones, and rebuilding Amber are all steps that can be completely avoided by just not leaving Abyssea. The only reason I would burn through stones is if I did not want to build lights at all, ie: La Theine NMs where it's easy to buy pops , run in, Red !!, and kill. It's also not hard at all, when your primary Cleave WS is classified as Amber light, to not get a single Ruby light in a week. I'm losing maybe 20 seconds per Chloris melee'ing it down under the threshold where a WS would kill it, or about 10 minutes from 0-50 buds (assuming TH, average drop rate of 1.66/NM, 30 mobs).

[VxdragonxV]

The way i take care of afk leechers is i have a blm in each party and if some one is afk for longer than 5-10 min they are warped out then reped by someone else. You d2 a few afk players and the other players stop going afk like it is a miracle lol. and as far as levl 30 key person. i love then they save alot of time and corur for the others in the partys. ^^

[Chronofantasy]

yes I like it I am getting tired of people accpeting people afking for hours on end.

like i said in other abyssea threads i REALLY want to know why it was min 30 in the first place, you dont have people that are level 30 leeching dynamis so I do not get the reason.


I think SE made the minimum to lvl 30 because of the questing part of Abyssea, just how a lot of quests outside of Abyssea needs a job miinimum of lvl 20 or 30 and higher. I said this in another thread too but I think SE sort of wants people to lvl their jobs fast so that people can enjoy all the other content SE has to offer and perhaps another reason could be so that people will be done/bored with FFXI so they will decide to go to FFXIV, yet they never predicted that FFXIV would be unsuccessful.

[Alhanelem]

For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?No one said you had to. Kick them from the party or find another party.

People aren't going to come to Dynamis for the EXP. it's just a perk.

[Pennylane]

If I have lead , damn straight I'm kicking afker's. If I don't , why should I find yet another party when I built my lights in this one? Key leechs are 1 thing , ppl who go afk just becuz they can is totally different. But then you probably leveled most of your jobs as leech :p

[Alhanelem]

why should I find yet another party when I built my lights in this one?Because you don't like people in that party? I wouldn't party with people I don't like. It shouldn't take until your lights are built up to figure out that the party has a box opener or leecher. If you want control of the participants, then be the leader or team up with a leader who will kick idle players. Otherwise, you take the cards you're dealt.

You don't necessarily have to leave the zone and lose your lights to join another party.
Also, there's a huge difference between peopel AFKing and most "leechers." The latter are NOT afk, and are doing something time consuming that would slow the killing down if a DD or someone else was doing it- opening chests. That's in abyssea.
In Dynamis, that role isn't needed, but dynamis has a level 65 minimum, and if you meet that minimum, you're at least somewhat capable of contributing, so if you're not AFK, you're fine.

[VxdragonxV]

If I have lead , damn straight I'm kicking afker's. If I don't , why should I find yet another party when I built my lights in this one? Key leechs are 1 thing , ppl who go afk just becuz they can is totally different. But then you probably leveled most of your jobs as leech :p

I agree with you a key leech is fine but afk players get the boot in my party's as well.I the way i see it is if your not there to help then you are no help and will be reped with some one who will help ^^

the ppl who argue that it's ok to go afk is usually the ones who stay afk in partys lol

[Pennylane]

sigh , why should I have thought you might understand what I was saying..What I meant by leechers is this: People who afk for extended periods of time without saying brb. Even those who do leave for extended periods of time for reasons such as : I need a short nap..mind if I stay? I need to go pickup my drunk ass roommate..mind if I stay? Going out to pickup dinner , mind if I stay? ..etc. I didnt mean the ONE key leech thats there legit. TYVM.

[VxdragonxV]

sigh , why should I have thought you might understand what I was saying..What I meant by leechers is this: People who afk for extended periods of time without saying brb. Even those who do leave for extended periods of time for reasons such as : I need a short nap..mind if I stay? I need to go pickup my drunk ass roommate..mind if I stay? Going out to pickup dinner , mind if I stay? ..etc. I didnt mean the ONE key leech thats there legit. TYVM.

I understand what you are saying. The ppl im talking about are the ones who join then go afk and don't tell anyone or have been there 15 min and say have to run to town bb in 30 min or an hour. My point is if you join a party to afk then you are wasting everyones time and shouldn't be there.

[Pennylane]

Sorry VxdragonxV , I was actually talking to Alhanelem when I said :sigh , why should I have thought you might understand.."
And thankyou VxdragonxV for agreeing :)

[Dale]

I would caution people on this subject, as often times the cure is worse than the disease. Imagine some auto kick feature was introduced, and you were dced or had a sudden emergency and found yourself booted from the group when you returned? Perhaps a group you spent hours putting together? That would be a lot more annoying then enduring a few leechers in an abyssea alliance now and then.

Really I don't see the big issue here. Exp is easy enough to get on this game. If you find yourself in a group with too many "leechers" that it annoys you, simply leave the group and go get your own exp. Odds are if you are staying in the group anyway it's because you are getting better exp than you could alone, so not a whole lot to complain about really. Just leave if it annoys you so bad, or form your own groups with players you trust not to "leech".

[Izzybella]

I wish that they had it to where if you stand anywhere idle for more than 2 hrs you got booted...

Goodbye MH exit lag, Port Jeuno lag (or at least it would reduce it).

[Greatguardian]

I wish that they had it to where if you stand anywhere idle for more than 2 hrs you got booted...

Goodbye MH exit lag, Port Jeuno lag (or at least it would reduce it).

Goodbye Bazaars, ToD camping, LFP'ing outside the MH (useful to hear shouts yo), etc

[Icestein]

Oh look. It's this topic again.

When I get back into game I'm going to leech a job up. It'll be a barrel of fun.

[NightDagger]

I like the idea of an "Auto Kick BUT I would like to see SE also give the Alliance leader some control. Like if someone does have to go eat dinner or something the Alliance leader could go to party menu & set that person to "Away" or something & that would prevent them from the "Auto Kick". Unless SE was able to give us someway of controlling who is AFK for a real reason & who is leeching then there is no way this could work.

I also feel that 30 is to low to enter Abyssea but 7-75+ is to high. The 60 range is a fair lvl to make entry. By that time the player will know what there job is about and not be totally once reached 90 & getting XP in non-abyssea areas are really good now so getting to 6 the "old way" would bring some life back to the other area's which is much needed.

Another thing that needs to be adjusted in order for this to work is making you able to skill up wen in LVL Sync. but that is another topic..

NightDagger
Lakshmi

[Kirana]

There are several reason why you might need/want to go afk in abyssea that do not involve leeching (or perhaps you are in a pt with friends who are actually wanting to leech you). A change like one presented by OP would be a bit too drastic. If you don't want leechers in your pt, have the leader kick them. If the leader is "too busy" to kick someone, then the wrong person is leading your pt.

[Linh]

If I have lead , damn straight I'm kicking afker's. If I don't , why should I find yet another party when I built my lights in this one?...

Because apparently the Party and/or leader is still competent enough, and the experience points are still good enough that you don't want to leave.

You would most likely leave if the party kept messing up on pulls and died on each mob. Nothing wrong with that.

But the exp is *still* so damn good even with a leecher that it makes you not want to leave that party. Your purpose in joining that party was to gain exp, and leech or not, the rest of the party has fulfilled that for you.

[Method]

It depends on what kind of leeching. I have no problem with a level 30 job in abyssea doing keys. Their job is to open chests, mine is to kill mobs to spawn the chests. People who are there just to stand there and contribute nothing to the party annoy me though.

And as far as auot kick from abyssea goes. Wouldn't just autorunning into a wall get around that?

[Hoshi]

I think booting an inactive player from abyssea is a bad idea... I like to go in to abyssea and build up crazy amounts of time (600+ min) and then farm gold chests solo. It's nice if you build up that much time to be able to take a break for a few hours and do something else. Furthermore the people who cheat can easily avoid this auto kick thing by use of a bot. A system like this would never punish the people who are most likely to abuse it because those are the same people who would run a bot to stay in abyssea.

That aside I love bringing a level 30 job into abyssea and walking out at 70+. I do it with a group of friends in my ls and I don't see how that's hurting anyone else's abyssea experience.

[Corres]

won't happen.
maybe to 60 but not on to 75.
i never was afk leeching my sub i opened chests and got replacements for the alliance so don't you dare to say: you never work for you exp. have fun opening chests for yourself and constantly missin the cruor for brews.

lvl 60 min for abyssea entrance is allright above that sheer stupidity.

but again: that wil not happen.
/thread

[GlobalVariable]

Make doing something else more appealing than leeching for those low level players, and/or give them something more they can do in abyssea that involves other low level people.

I've leeched in abyssea some. It wasn't by choice, I really wanted to level and actually play my job but I could sit around passing up exping a job for weeks and weeks or slowly grind my way solo. I had my flag up, and got invited - I view that as lucky. Another job I made my own alliance for. It beat slowly grinding out solo while waiting for an invite. I have a few jobs I still refuse to take to abyssea - I worked my rear off making sure I had very good, even exceptional mid level gear and dangit I intend to use it, those jobs are fun and I want to bash mobs heads in with my pre-abyssea muled over shinies /sulk

[Topdogg]

And as far as auot kick from abyssea goes. Wouldn't just autorunning into a wall get around that? Yes, but seeing someone humping a wall is a quick way to detect an afker. So it would still be a good idea.

[Alhanelem]

But then you probably leveled most of your jobs as leech I leveled zero jobs as a leech. I raised BLM from 37 to 49 as a key person. And I was active the entire time.

I agree people who AFK for long periods of time suck. But these people can be any level- they're not just low level people and changing the level limits isn't going to stop that.

[FrankReynolds]

im all for lowering it to level 1 as well.

[CaelThunderwing]

inb4 /gearswap

i cant count likely how many PC players Use windower and likely anyone who tries to Gearswap to break /follow said PC player likely If they have windower, has BlinkMeNot. so /gearswap = Useless

as to Boxing. one simple solution, Lower the cost of Forbidden Keys, though i know this one trick works on brown treasure chests outside Abby, but if the THF key trick works on blue/gold/red Pryx boxes (as i've never asked any thf to try.)

[Wojo]

Minimum lvl 90 would fix that prob fesho.

[Rubeus]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/764-Raise-the-minimum-allowable-job-level-in-Abyssea-from-30-to-70

[viion]

Why is there such a problem with leechers? I'm new to abyssea since im returning so I dont understand the whole concept much but it would seem that its about as bad as maybe someone botting by being AFK and letting something else do all the work to level them.

What if you join at 30 but dont go afk? And you do things (or as much as you can for that level) is that just as bad?

Personally I dont mind people having easy ways to level because it doesnt affect my gameplay but i guess being AFK is just kind of rude.

[Alhanelem]

What if you join at 30 but dont go afk? And you do things (or as much as you can for that level) is that just as bad?usually, this is fine, because these people are doing something useful. mainly, people are complaining about people who go afk without warning and never come back.

[Abadacchus]

I don't think this is SE's job to fix, guys. We have to be to accountable to get those people out of party and make room for someone who actually wants xp/cruor. Drop 'em, re-alli, do what you have to do. If you want this behavior to stop, you will have to stop it when you see it.

Don't be cruel, but be sensible. If a person hasn't said anything, moved, or performed an action for a reasonable amount of time, that player needs to go.

[svengalis]

I find it hilarious how people reject the idea of the game being easier. You want to play a frustrating game with tedious gameplay? LOL This isn't 1990.

[Meyi]

No just No.

If you have a problem with people taking level 30 jobs to get exp in abyssea then don't join those parties. If SE actually did listen to you complainers and raised the level cap on abyssea next thing you be complaining about is how you have nobody to do keys now and how nobody wants to do them because they need their curor for brewing NMs.

This.

We need our key poppers as well. I honestly see nothing wrong with it as long as the person wants to actually learn the job when they get it to 90 (or are leveling it as a subjob).

[Reiii]

I agree with the OP's initial thought that the level cap for these areas should be raised to 70+. However, leeching isn't necessarily the full problem. The problem with allowing level 30 players into these areas to be key whores is that it has a similar effect that summoner burning did. That being; it creates people who do not know how to play their jobs.

When summoner burning was all the rage I can not count how many people I got into exp parties with who were more than obvious products of it simply because they really just didn't play their job right. It wasn't about gear, it was about the fact that they genuinely did not know HOW to play. ( These include Paladins not knowing they had magic nor knowing what provoke is despite having warrior sub, thieves that are level 40+ not knowing what SATA is, these are just some of the examples off of the top of my head. )

So, my worry is that there is going to be a huge uprising of these people who don't know how to play jobs correctly because they didn't have the time to learn how to. They just shot up from level 30 to 75+ in a day.

Now ask yourselves, do you really want to be involved in an important end game event with one of these folks who have no idea what they're doing? I know I certainly wouldn't... And that is why I support a 70+ cap on these areas.

[chrism]

I believe the cap on abyssea should indeed be raised because I believe the economy of Final Fantasy 11 ( depending on which server) Is degrading because players can go inside abyssea... obtain around 70,000 Cruor... buy all 3 Cruor sets for DD/Mage/Thf type jobs and sell them all back to the NPC and make roughly 150,000 Gil... now if thats constantly happening then how is the economy/auction house going to keep flowing for the rest of us not to mention new players, that is my only complaint... Leechers on the other hand need not be invited into an abyssea party I will not work for their XP go get it yourself like I did the old fashioned way.

[Greatguardian]

it creates people who do not know how to play their jobs.

This argument has been shot to heck in every single one of the past 5 threads on this; at least a dozen times each. I'm tired of writing out the same response to it. End result, how someone levels really has no effect on how good or bad a player they are.

I leveled my original 2 jobs the old, old fashioned way that most people posting on these forums probably don't know even existed. Moon. If ever there was a camp that made me want to pull my hair out, it was moon. I'll tell you right now, I learned exponentially more about my jobs by discovering ffxiclopedia, somepage (lol), and BlueGartr than I ever did from exp'ing.

[Linh]

...When summoner burning was all the rage I can not count how many people I got into exp parties with who were more than obvious products of it simply because they really just didn't play their job right. It wasn't about gear, it was about the fact that they genuinely did not know HOW to play. ( These include Paladins not knowing they had magic nor knowing what provoke is despite having warrior sub, thieves that are level 40+ not knowing what SATA is, these are just some of the examples off of the top of my head. )...

Before Astral Burn, before the ToAU expansion came out, I partied with a Paladin in Saumour-whatever Champaign. When I asked her why she didn't use her magic at all to cure herself throughout so many fights she replied,

"Cuz the mob will just interrupt me lol"

[Meyi]

Actually Reiii, I've had many friends who have key leeched jobs from 30 to 90 and they knew how to play the job better than I did when I leveled it old school from 1~75.

So in theory, yes, a lot of idiots will be produced. But in actuality? A lot of the people key leeching have already played the game long enough to know what they're doing. I see nothing wrong with level 30s being allowed in; it makes getting subjobs (~49) capped easier, and after tasting the delicious xp of Abyssea, who wants to go back to original partying?

I most certainly don't.

If the cap is raised from 30 to 70, the odds are very high I will never take another job up. Even subjobs. I started over with a new character and I don't feel like grinding all of my favorite jobs like I had the first time through. (On my Elvaan I had WHM, BRD, SMN, BLM, BST, THF, RDM all 75. On my taru, I leveled BLM to 90 and RDM to 49. Contemplating leveling WHM and SMN to 90, but still undecided.)

It is a game meant to be fun. Spending hours getting slow xp is not fun. Spending months getting a job to the last level is not fun. If people want to learn their job they will learn their job. If they don't want to learn their job, then avoid playing with them in the future.

I know reputations mean a lot on my server. If you suck, people avoid you.

[Reiii]

This argument has been shot to heck in every single one of the past 5 threads on this; at least a dozen times each. I'm tired of writing out the same response to it. End result, how someone levels really has no effect on how good or bad a player they are.

I leveled my original 2 jobs the old, old fashioned way that most people posting on these forums probably don't know even existed. Moon. If ever there was a camp that made me want to pull my hair out, it was moon. I'll tell you right now, I learned exponentially more about my jobs by discovering ffxiclopedia, somepage (lol), and BlueGartr than I ever did from exp'ing.

Now, I'm not saying that every single person who burns from 30 to 90 is one of these folks who don't know what they're doing. If someone takes the time to study up on how to play a job before hand then by all means please do burn it from 30-90. If you have the knowledge then I have no issue. But when it comes to people who seriously don't know what they're doing at the start then they really shouldn't bother.

Before Astral Burn, before the ToAU expansion came out, I partied with a Paladin in Saumour-whatever Champaign. When I asked her why she didn't use her magic at all to cure herself throughout so many fights she replied,

"Cuz the mob will just interrupt me lol"

Unfortunately, there will always be those who are completely clueless, regardless of how ever they leveled. In most cases they start out the game as such and don't have any one around to help guide them in the right direction.

[Reiii]

Actually Reiii, I've had many friends who have key leeched jobs from 30 to 90 and they knew how to play the job better than I did when I leveled it old school from 1~75.

So in theory, yes, a lot of idiots will be produced. But in actuality? A lot of the people key leeching have already played the game long enough to know what they're doing. I see nothing wrong with level 30s being allowed in; it makes getting subjobs (~49) capped easier, and after tasting the delicious xp of Abyssea, who wants to go back to original partying?

I most certainly don't.

If the cap is raised from 30 to 70, the odds are very high I will never take another job up. Even subjobs. I started over with a new character and I don't feel like grinding all of my favorite jobs like I had the first time through. (On my Elvaan I had WHM, BRD, SMN, BLM, BST, THF, RDM all 75. On my taru, I leveled BLM to 90 and RDM to 49. Contemplating leveling WHM and SMN to 90, but still undecided.)

It is a game meant to be fun. Spending hours getting slow xp is not fun. Spending months getting a job to the last level is not fun. If people want to learn their job they will learn their job. If they don't want to learn their job, then avoid playing with them in the future.

I know reputations mean a lot on my server. If you suck, people avoid you.

I'm perfectly fine with those who know how to play the job beforehand burning it. If you're well aware of how to play the right way then by all means go for it. :)

[Topdogg]

Wow, this thread has de-railed. Was not about the minimum lvl to entry or lvl 30 jobs keying, It's about afk leechers.

[Seiver]

Abyssea has brought out the WoW nuts in the community. personaly the reason i play FFXI is the fact that it is hard and you have to think. now with Abyssea i cant find a party past the jungle. yes, im one of those people who would rather level a job the long way, it makes it so the game has more life to it.

i would agree that the min lvl entry for Abyssea needs to be raised from 30 to at least 65+ more likely 70. The old zones need some use or there just a waist of space and you should just delete them.

[Alhanelem]

That being; it creates people who do not know how to play their jobs. This really isn't true. In the vast majority of cases, people who do this won't be functional whether they know how to play the job or not. Thus, they have to go back and grind to raise skill levels.

Secondly, the game is very old and there are very few "noobs" left in the game (other than those who will basically be noobs forever). The chances that someone is going to summoner burn or leach and then be a bad player are low.

Regardless- So what if it produces bad players. You just don't play with them, and then they're forced to improve. Simple.

No change here is necessary. Level restricting abyssea isn't going to teach anyone who doesn't know how to play what to do. Any problems can be resolved through existing ingame mechanics such as the kick button and the blacklist.

[Greatguardian]

Wow, this thread has de-railed. Was not about the minimum lvl to entry or lvl 30 jobs keying, It's about afk leechers.

In that case, it's pretty much been answered already. If people going afk all the time is a problem, people need to police each other better. If you don't appreciate that random DD going afk for 30 minutes without notice, kick him or D2 him.

There are plenty of reasons to afk in Abyssea. Some ls or friend groups may be perfectly okay letting friends leave their characters on for exp while they go out and do other stuff. Other people may choose to take advantage of their massive Visitant time and simply go take a break and watch some tv or a movie before coming back to Abyssea with capped lights.

There's really no need for any sort of automation when players are perfectly capable of handling this "epidemic" on their own.

[MarkovChain]

Are you speaking from experience or what? It's one thing to theorycraft, but "One or two ruby breaks everything"? Really? We finished two Empyreans in maybe 4-5 days taking it slowly. Burning stones does use up time as well, warping, replenishing stones, and rebuilding Amber are all steps that can be completely avoided by just not leaving Abyssea.

Rebuilding amber light = one-two cleave pulls (10 '). It's instant, grabing 2 or 3 stones is maybe 5 min every 100 min. I just find it hilarous that you claim that it takes you 20 hours to cap on Chloris, because with only amber finding it would take you 10H considering blue chest don't pop anymore... and it would cost only 20 stones.


I'm losing maybe 20 seconds per Chloris melee'ing it down under the threshold where a WS would kill it, or about 10 minutes from 0-50 buds (assuming TH, average drop rate of 1.66/NM, 30 mobs).

I'm not talking about ruby killing Chloris, but normal NMs, which you are bound to do for efficiency if you are getting 50% of blue chest and only 50% of gold chests, because you can have strectches of 1 hours+ when you don't get the required KI, keep getting the same KI that you are capping on, at which point finishing a set is more efficient ; It's the same with only amber farming but since gold coffer pop twice as fast it's not as bad to spam them instead of NMs.

[Greatguardian]

Rebuilding amber light = one-two cleave pulls (10 '). It's instant, grabing 2 or 3 stones is maybe 5 min every 100 min. I just find it hilarous that you claim that it takes you 20 hours to cap on Chloris, because with only amber finding it would take you 10H considering blue chest don't pop anymore... and it would cost only 20 stones.



I'm not talking about ruby killing Chloris, but normal NMs, which you are bound to do for efficiency if you are getting 50% of blue chest and only 50% of gold chests, because you can have strectches of 1 hours+ when you don't get the required KI, keep getting the same KI that you are capping on, at which point finishing a set is more efficient ; It's the same with only amber farming but since gold coffer pop twice as fast it's not as bad to spam them instead of NMs.

When the heck did I say it took 20 hours to cap on Chloris? Also, seriously? You don't get multiple lights for kills that happen in the same AoE. Cataclysm damage is static. Barring resists, all mobs die on the same WS and thus you only get one light for the kill; Also, you can't get Amber light off of the majority of mobs in Tahrongi. You can only build Amber on NMs (Ephs/VNMs count, and we used these), Fafnirs, Adamantoises, and Sandworms. You are not getting any Amber light during cleaves in Tahrongi unless you're doing them on retarded mobs.

You also do not necessarily need to do normal NMs for efficiency if you are able to negate the efficiency drain of Repeat-KIs by having enough people there to hold multiple sets. Even better if you keep in touch with someone who is farming Glavoids, like I did, so that the two groups can trade sets. Was it sometimes helpful to kill NMs to finish off 3/4 sets? Yes. Avoiding Ruby still isn't hard, neither is it a hugeomgwtf deal. Having a bit of Azure and Ruby is not going to totally screw over your gold chest rates.

I'm not sure I even know what you're trying to get at. You're either a really bad troll, or you're just trying to make yourself look cool by intimating that I'm doinitwrong. Go bother someone else.

[MarkovChain]

The troll is you since you appear to spam every thread in this forum ; are you going to answer every post trying to prove that someone is wrong (labeling them as troll when they are wrong with you ?)? Farming blue chest is stupid when you want gold chest, it's that simple, twice more time efficient. And please stop acting like capping amber is time consuming. It's maybe the case for someone that spends 1 or 2 hours in the zone but if you are going to spend a lot of time on the zone, it doesn't matter and you will be better off spamming amber chest or, better, in case you don't have stones (unlikely), alternating between a 120' (~takes 30min) farming and a 120' amber cleaving run using 1 stone for 2 or 3 hours of work.

I'm done.

[Greatguardian]

The troll is you since you appear to spam every thread in this forum ; are you going to answer every post trying to prove that someone is wrong (labeling them as troll when they are wrong with you ?)? Farming blue chest is stupid when you want gold chest, it's that simple, twice more time efficient. And please stop acting like capping amber is time consuming. It's maybe the case for someone that spends 1 or 2 hours in the zone but if you are going to spend a lot of time on the zone, it doesn't matter and you will be better off spamming amber chest or, better, in case you don't have stones (unlikely), alternating between a 120' (~takes 30min) farming and a 120' amber cleaving run using 1 stone for 2 or 3 hours of work.

I'm done.

The vast majority of my posts are informative and hardly worthy of being called troll posts, I don't see what that has to do with anything. I was wondering if you were trolling because you seemed to come out of nowhere with no valuable input to this thread, for the sole purpose of questioning my methodology when it's obvious that you have little to no personal experience cleaving gold boxes in Tahrongi.

You keep changing the situation. Yes, capping Amber is time consuming if you're only going to be spending 1 or 2 hours in the zone. You are talking about burning stones, so that is the maximum amount of time you can expect to spend in the zone at any given time. If you enter with 120 minutes, and spend 15~ of them capping *both* Pearl and Amber (assuming 1 active DD) every single time you leave, you are being inefficient and wasting time. You cannot say that the amount of time it takes to build lights is insignificant if you're going to be in the zone a long time and then say that building Azure is dumb, they are mutually exclusive concepts.

I don't know how this matters to me at all anyways, since I've been finished with Tahrongi for a long time. The only reason for my original post about how I farmed my Vereth was to provide an example wherein it would be detrimental to have some sort of auto-kick feature added for afk people in Abyssea. If you had a strategy that actually sounded like it would be more efficient for Tahrongi (Note: For my LT emps, of course I burn stones, I don't even build lights in La Theine), I would have no problems with it. You don't, however. You consistently leave out key characteristics of the zone in order to make it sound more appealing.

[Kuishen]

Why the HELL did this need ANOTHER thread? People who can't even read the fact that this already had a thread and had been beaten to DEATH as well as been shot down by 90% of the people on this forum, need to be shot.

Stop posting retarded shit.

[Lexin]

I have never leeched as a higher job or a lower job I might afk for around 5 minutes here and there always say brb. Now I have not really played much either since the release of Abyssea and upon joining a party the other week for merits and crests for limit break I noticed something. Think there was 14 of us and due to atma's emp weapons and emp armor you can have people afk leech and still get the amount of exp you could upon abyssea release.

I for one don't care if people afk leech as long as the party can get the xp and get the TE.

[Komori]

Exactly, if you joined a party for EXP/TE/Cruor/AF3, as long as your getting what you want, you shouldn't be too bothered by people leeching. Everytime someone asks "But why should I have to work for their benefit"? Go back over what you just said. Since when does playing a video game, and moving your fingers across a controller count as work and therefore people have to bend to the way you think is right?

The minimum level should stay where it is, if you have a problem with the alliance, if your the only one who cares, then leave; since apparently the EXP someone else is getting is too horrid for you to get the EXP you came for.

[Volckian]

You are exactly right. If a few people going AFK doesn't interrupt your EXP/Cruor/TE/AF3 gain, there isn't anything to worry about. But, I've also noticed when one person goes AFK more are usually to follow. Then soon you have over half the party AFK before you know what happened. (I think this is the major issue here.) As for the Lv.30 Key/Leach, It isn't going to hurt having 1/18 players unable to fight. Plus with all the Atma's out there now, people can solo 2-3 monsters at the same time as fast if not faster, than an alliance. =P (I've seen BLM's 1Shot Abysea monsters..)


Exactly, if you joined a party for EXP/TE/Cruor/AF3, as long as your getting what you want, you shouldn't be too bothered by people leeching. Everytime someone asks "But why should I have to work for their benefit"? Go back over what you just said. Since when does playing a video game, and moving your fingers across a controller count as work and therefore people have to bend to the way you think is right?

The minimum level should stay where it is, if you have a problem with the alliance, if your the only one who cares, then leave; since apparently the EXP someone else is getting is too horrid for you to get the EXP you came for.

[Skybrit]

Agreed, leaching ruins the intergrity of the game.

[Vivik]

Agreed, leaching ruins the intergrity of the game.

Actually, people with the same dumb idea rehashed over and over again ruin the integrity of the game.

[Skybrit]

Thanks for further evidence. No integrity, and no honor defines a leach.

[Vivik]

Thanks for further evidence. No integrity, and no honor defines a leach.

I'm here to help.^^

[Rocman]

I'm all for the level restrictions in aby. I only have 2-3 low level jobs left and it is impossible to get a party anywhere else anymore. I would love to get Garliage or a quicksand caves party again.

[GERM]

I will constantly agree that the min level needs to be raised because of this reason but the problem with the origional idea that if your not active isn't the way to do it because there are times people have to afk for a period of time and this would just cause them to be booted.. Im against leeching because its taking away from general population of people looking for party and it doesn't give low level people who cant get into abyssea or havent made it to that point a limited amount of people to find the right jobs to make up a beneficial party to experience.. also abyssea was suppose to be content for 75+ and leeches are not at that level.. how many people have leveled a job they wouldn't normally level just because they could get into a leeching party? so if later on they would of decided to level that job they took away from another party that could of used their job.. I feel this is more or less taking advantage of the system.. either that or greatly reduce the amount of xp a person obtains as well as limit the amount of benefits they get from chests (time extensions xp) based off the difference in levels.. if your more then 20 levels from the highest member (75 to a 90) then instead of 10 minutes you should get 1 minute instead of 1500 xp from a chest you should get 15 xp from a chest..
not to mention since this has started the AH is lacking gear./items for lower levels jobs because no one is leveling them in parties and don't need to buy anything also limiting gil making and profit of crafters which is hurting people that have worked to gain their crafting levels..

[Topdogg]

I will constantly agree that the min level needs to be raised because of this reason but the problem with the origional idea that if your not active isn't the way to do it because there are times people have to afk for a period of time and this would just cause them to be booted.. Im against leeching because its taking away from general population of people looking for party and it doesn't give low level people who cant get into abyssea or havent made it to that point a limited amount of people to find the right jobs to make up a beneficial party to experience.. also abyssea was suppose to be content for 75+ and leeches are not at that level.. how many people have leveled a job they wouldn't normally level just because they could get into a leeching party? so if later on they would of decided to level that job they took away from another party that could of used their job.. I feel this is more or less taking advantage of the system.. either that or greatly reduce the amount of xp a person obtains as well as limit the amount of benefits they get from chests (time extensions xp) based off the difference in levels.. if your more then 20 levels from the highest member (75 to a 90) then instead of 10 minutes you should get 1 minute instead of 1500 xp from a chest you should get 15 xp from a chest..
not to mention since this has started the AH is lacking gear./items for lower levels jobs because no one is leveling them in parties and don't need to buy anything also limiting gil making and profit of crafters which is hurting people that have worked to gain their crafting levels..

Back way before abyssea, when ppl had to afk, for even 10 mins, they would just leave the party. This is how it should be now but the exp is too good in somes eyes.

[Greatguardian]

Back way before abyssea, when ppl had to afk, for even 10 mins, they would just leave the party. This is how it should be now but the exp is too good in somes eyes.

Abyssea is not only used for EXP.

[Tim]

I think the minimum for abyssea should be 75. There are way too many players out there who burn all their jobs. And SE has made it easy to gain exp outside of abbyssea. 180 exp per easy prey... c'mon people. when I first started an easy prey mob soloed gave me like 15 exp.... I miss the old parties in aht urgan and bikibi bay. So I think to balance this out there should be a cap. I know people will not agree with me but this is my personal opinion.

[Riggs]

I think a good way of sorting this is that everyone in alliance gets the xp of the lowest level person in the alliance

[Vivik]

I think a good way of sorting this is that everyone in alliance gets the xp of the lowest level person in the alliance
So it will take an hour to cap XP instead of 1/2 hour? I'm fine with that.

[Topdogg]

Abyssea is not only used for EXP.

Yes but this is a topic on exp leeching.

[Kuishen]

Yes but this is a topic on exp leeching.

Your signature makes anything you say invalid.

[Greatguardian]

Yes but this is a topic on exp leeching.

It doesn't particularly matter, because the methods you are suggesting affect more than just exp parties. They affect everyone in Abyssea. Because it is impossible for an automated server-side mechanic to determine the difference between someone who is exp'ing, someone who is killing NMs, and someone who is just going to bed with 1,000+ minutes, you're not really addressing anything.

[CaptnChizzle]

From what one view the dislike of leeching is because of pride of one or more people who actually leveled a job to 75 or 90 and knew how to use the job properly instead of new people burning it to level 90 in level 10-30 gear. Also the whole point of being the main DD, main or sometimes the only healer, or the only person creating azure light and everyone else is sleep or afking on a level 30 job. For those people who afk too long...say the 30 minute wait, let them get auto-booted out with their time in tact. Maybe even put a Zzzzz animation above them like the sleeping mobs have in most zones at night/morning and have them lose their exp chain after 10-15 minutes afk. Honestly you cant get rid of leeching because its an efficient way to gain exp, despite the downside of being 200 levels below your skill caps and pissing off other already-disgusted veterans. The level cap for entry was level 30 for some odd reason. Clearly a level 30-60 person couldn't hold their own if they tried to solo (im not wagering some people couldn't), so just as ninja is a supreme tank now, leeching was destined to be an inevitable existence within the game.

[Rambus]

From what one view the dislike of leeching is because of pride of one or more people who actually leveled a job to 75 or 90 and knew how to use the job properly instead of new people burning it to level 90 in level 10-30 gear. .

that point also hurts the economy. No one crafts gear anymore because no one buys it. I seen a new player once, a level 90 WHM on a 55 ish PLD gearing in cheap MP rings and such, and other cheap items that where not ment for his job. he told me it was from having no gil ...

I had to craft all my items for my bow because no one makes that lower level gear, then I spent like a week trying to sell the level 12 bow I HQed ><

[Topdogg]

It doesn't particularly matter, because the methods you are suggesting affect more than just exp parties. They affect everyone in Abyssea. Because it is impossible for an automated server-side mechanic to determine the difference between someone who is exp'ing, someone who is killing NMs, and someone who is just going to bed with 1,000+ minutes, you're not really addressing anything.
With NM's you're always moving around unless you're one of those who sits back and does nothing while everyone else does the work.

[Topdogg]

Your signature makes anything you say invalid.

Yeah, I should add some hot pink and red in there somewhere.

[Greatguardian]

With NM's you're always moving around unless you're one of those who sits back and does nothing while everyone else does the work.

It's not uncommon to sit idle while camping something like Gukumatz/Amun, or to take a break and go afk for 30-60 minutes when you have 500+ minutes in between NMs.

[Topdogg]

It's not uncommon to sit idle while camping something like Gukumatz/Amun, or to take a break and go afk for 30-60 minutes when you have 500+ minutes in between NMs.

As previously stated in a post, auto-run into a wall would fix the time out issue. On your other statement, Most/All NM's are a 10-15 min repop.

[Dooom]

Back way before abyssea, when ppl had to afk, for even 10 mins, they would just leave the party. This is how it should be now but the exp is too good in somes eyes.

This isn't true and you know it. This whole implied argument of "Abyssea is ruining the game!" is stupid. Before that it was SMN burns, and Bird Camp, and so on and so on. Give it a freaking rest.

[Greatguardian]

As previously stated in a post, auto-run into a wall would fix the time out issue. On your other statement, Most/All NM's are a 10-15 min repop.

They are, and that assumes the time out is 30 minutes or greater. Also, any Abyssea leech can just autorun into a wall too. Honestly, auto-timeouts don't help anything at all.

[Kuishen]

Yeah, I should add some hot pink and red in there somewhere.

You misinterpret my meaning. Based on your sig (and your ffxiah profile) you have absolutely no knowledge of how the game works or how to gear yourself, therefore nothing you say can have any validity to it.

[Skybrit]

Yes, the lvl 70 or 75 limit would be much more effective.

[Topdogg]

You misinterpret my meaning. Based on your sig (and your ffxiah profile) you have absolutely no knowledge of how the game works or how to gear yourself, therefore nothing you say can have any validity to it.

The current gear on my profile is for my 77 drk which I just started back playing 1 day before the shutdown. If it matters to you, I had sold all of my gear a while back and using universal gear till 78. But I thank you for taking time to check me out.

[Kuishen]

The current gear on my profile is for my 77 drk which I just started back playing 1 day before the shutdown. If it matters to you, I had sold all of my gear a while back and using universal gear till 78. But I thank you for taking time to check me out.

You did not at all help your case with this post, only made it worse.

[Topdogg]

You did not at all help your case with this post, only made it worse.
That's fine, troll away.

[Kuishen]

Pointing out that you have no right to suggest anything to improve the game based on your lack of understanding of game mechanics and how to gear yourself isn't trolling.

[Camiie]

As others have said, if you don't like leeching then form your own parties. If you join someone else's group you are free to leave if they aren't doing things the way you like and don't care to conform to your standards. If a person joins your group who has under-leveled skills or inadequate gear then say something and remove them if you so desire. If someone is leeching or is gimp and isn't in your group then there's no problem in the first place.

[Hyperon]

I am not as angry with leeching as I once was with the exp boost. With this new boost, if you key anywhere outside of heroes aby its a loss in my eyes. Because the amount of time you will spend skilling back up is not worth the headache.

I love punishing key people/afk'ers. I would love to see it get taken it one step further

1) If you are below level 65 you can enter abyssea but you can't do any quest, pop any monsters, or do any abyssea domion ops

2) Exp from chests will always be half of what it could be for people under 65

3) Can't talk/interact with NPCs or use any npc functions while under 65 in abyssea.

4) You can only have 1 (or maybe 2) stacks of keys on you at one time if you are below level 65

Eh, maybe I am being too mean to the lazy key people of FFXI. I mean there have been a few good points of why key ppl are needed. Maybe I am just too jaded because when I make lower level pts for new players in the LS or I just want to level up another job I still see people with "Aby only key please" and they would have been something to tie a pt up to go fight (healer or tank this is a reference to).

I mean there were a lot people who did not like those who used to astral flow burn, but at least those people who did go and leech there paid the price for it. The prices I saw were 250-500k for a pull or an hour or 2. I could be wrong on those prices, its been a while since I used to see the /sh. Also the only thing I didn't like was that the players who attempted to stop the burn but diaga the pull got banned for a day or 3. Getting banned for claiming monsters that weren't claimed lol, who would have thought. Also yes people did get banned for doing this. 2 in game friends and 1 rl friend got banned just for diaga a groups pull before the smn's even started.

So basically lol punish the key ppl. I am too much of a heartless bastard at times lol.

Oh about afk'ers... a few tips

1) Don't stay in the party, leave and go search.
2) Let the pt ldr know that your leaving because there are too many afk'ers or too many key ppl.
3) Remember who these people are and don't go back to their pts any more.

Lazy alli ldrs and pt ldrs within the alli are usually the same ppl you run into in your server most of the time. People who get most of their LS in the pt and then have like 3-5 go afk/leech even when its not called for is stupid. Don't reward them by staying there and trying hard. Just let them know why your leaving if you want to be polite, or just straight up leave if you don't give a damn. Aby pts are not hard to get into, its hard to maintain. So even if you have a band of idiots who control the ldr spots in your exp pt, just go and remember who they are. Don't blist them because who knows maybe they will have a use for you later on. Just because someone is afk don't mean they suck, they just caught a case of I dont give a crap and you are just collateral damage. Instead, remember who they are (if your memory blows just write the name down), then when you see them shouting in port jueno jump in their group, get what you want, and bounce (or if you want complete what your doing with them but make sure you at least get yours). I bend over backward for nice people in this game, and assholes get treated like crap around me. I dont know what it is with abyssea but the nice people in this game just get taken advantage of and the assholes just run wild.

[Mrbeansman]

What is so hard about just not playing with people who leach?

[Topdogg]

I am not as angry with leeching as I once was with the exp boost. With this new boost, if you key anywhere outside of heroes aby its a loss in my eyes. Because the amount of time you will spend skilling back up is not worth the headache.

I love punishing key people/afk'ers. I would love to see it get taken it one step further

1) If you are below level 65 you can enter abyssea but you can't do any quest, pop any monsters, or do any abyssea domion ops

2) Exp from chests will always be half of what it could be for people under 65

3) Can't talk/interact with NPCs or use any npc functions while under 65 in abyssea.

4) You can only have 1 (or maybe 2) stacks of keys on you at one time if you are below level 65

Eh, maybe I am being too mean to the lazy key people of FFXI. I mean there have been a few good points of why key ppl are needed. Maybe I am just too jaded because when I make lower level pts for new players in the LS or I just want to level up another job I still see people with "Aby only key please" and they would have been something to tie a pt up to go fight (healer or tank this is a reference to).

I mean there were a lot people who did not like those who used to astral flow burn, but at least those people who did go and leech there paid the price for it. The prices I saw were 250-500k for a pull or an hour or 2. I could be wrong on those prices, its been a while since I used to see the /sh. Also the only thing I didn't like was that the players who attempted to stop the burn but diaga the pull got banned for a day or 3. Getting banned for claiming monsters that weren't claimed lol, who would have thought. Also yes people did get banned for doing this. 2 in game friends and 1 rl friend got banned just for diaga a groups pull before the smn's even started.

So basically lol punish the key ppl. I am too much of a heartless bastard at times lol.

Oh about afk'ers... a few tips

1) Don't stay in the party, leave and go search.
2) Let the pt ldr know that your leaving because there are too many afk'ers or too many key ppl.
3) Remember who these people are and don't go back to their pts any more.

Lazy alli ldrs and pt ldrs within the alli are usually the same ppl you run into in your server most of the time. People who get most of their LS in the pt and then have like 3-5 go afk/leech even when its not called for is stupid. Don't reward them by staying there and trying hard. Just let them know why your leaving if you want to be polite, or just straight up leave if you don't give a damn. Aby pts are not hard to get into, its hard to maintain. So even if you have a band of idiots who control the ldr spots in your exp pt, just go and remember who they are. Don't blist them because who knows maybe they will have a use for you later on. Just because someone is afk don't mean they suck, they just caught a case of I dont give a crap and you are just collateral damage. Instead, remember who they are (if your memory blows just write the name down), then when you see them shouting in port jueno jump in their group, get what you want, and bounce (or if you want complete what your doing with them but make sure you at least get yours). I bend over backward for nice people in this game, and assholes get treated like crap around me. I dont know what it is with abyssea but the nice people in this game just get taken advantage of and the assholes just run wild.

I kinda feel the same. I don't respect people that do things the easy way while the rest of us did this the hard long way then seeing them show it off like they earned it. It takes the achievement away from the veterans who've been playing for the past 8 years achieving these goals, then seeing it handed to the noobs is sickening. They burn through lvl 90, burn through CoP, WoTG, and ToAU and then "look at me im l33t" while the rest of us struggled for help, strategy, and teamwork. I think this is the reason there is so much hate with lazy/leechers.
Back on topic, Maybe a better system instead of the time out feature would be: After inactive for 10-30 mins, your /away icon will automatically pop up, so that your party members would know when you are afk since we always cant stop what we're doing to watch to see if a character moves/casts.

[Greatguardian]

I don't respect people that do things the easy way while the rest of us did this the hard long way then seeing them show it off like they earned it.

/argument.

That's all there is to the other dozen threads on this. I've been playing since NA release, did everything the hard way, and I still can't and won't back you on this. It's thinly veiled jealousy at its finest.

[Skybrit]

I lead a social/helps LS. We encourage newer players to join. They complain that the people they need for their parties are leaching in Abyss. That is one direct impact of leaching asside from the jealousy issue. I have gone back to lvl a few subjobs and found the same thing. I recently changed servers because in the server I was previously on, Abyss was packed but as I ran through the Jungle and other low lvls, the search showed the areas empty or only one or two people. The increase in exp for non-Abyss has helped but the limit would be a better fix.

[Dubberrucky]

I lead a social/helps LS. We encourage newer players to join. They complain that the people they need for their parties are leaching in Abyss. That is one direct impact of leaching asside from the jealousy issue. I have gone back to lvl a few subjobs and found the same thing. I recently changed servers because in the server I was previously on, Abyss was packed but as I ran through the Jungle and other low lvls, the search showed the areas empty or only one or two people. The increase in exp for non-Abyss has helped but the limit would be a better fix.

I get hit with the same issue as far as my ls is concerned. soloing constantly defeats the purpose of an mmo and leeching is not playing your job so what is the point in it.

[Nu-Hir]

Who is going to go into dynamis just for the EXP anyway?


People aren't going to come to Dynamis for the EXP. it's just a perk.

I quit reading this thread at page 9/13 because it's all SSDD. I was a little surprised that no one caught these two quotes (on page 2 and 3 respectively, last post on each page). NO ONE goes to Dynamis for the XP. You don't gain XP in Dynamis. There's a reason people call it Die-In-Mass. You don't gain XP, you only lose it.

[Greatguardian]

I get hit with the same issue as far as my ls is concerned. soloing constantly defeats the purpose of an mmo and leeching is not playing your job so what is the point in it.

So party with them as a linkshell. Level sync is pretty nice.

[Mrbeansman]

I kinda feel the same. I don't respect people that do things the easy way while the rest of us did this the hard long way then seeing them show it off like they earned it. It takes the achievement away from the veterans who've been playing for the past 8 years achieving these goals, then seeing it handed to the noobs is sickening.

I hate to break this to you but leveling a job to 90 or 75 like in the old days is not an achievement. If you don't like leaching then don't do it and don't enable it, it's as simple as that.

[viion]

stop saying leach its leech lol.

why do people care how others play? they are paying, they can play how they like, i dont tell you how to play. I dont like that people use 50 different gears and foods for all different situations but they do because its the best way to overcome that gameplay mechanic (killing something) just like boosting from 30 is the best way to overcome that gameplay mechanic (levelling). I understand reason to be angry with AFKers so just kick them lol.

Why people so bothered, you play yours, and let them play theirs, they pay for it, not you.

[Henihhi]

Heres an idea- when they release new lvl caps, instead of making it a just turn in a few crests and merits quest, they go back to the you have to defeat an nm to progress ala maat. That would alleviate some of the idiots running around with lvl 90 jobs and not clue how to use them and lacking half their basic spells/ws etc that are seen now. <At least until they beat the nm on an easier job lol>

[Greatguardian]

I highly doubt they did not already intend to do that by introducing Maat's rival in the most recent Genkai.

[Skybrit]

We do party as a linkshell. I just hate to see it as an impact on the game as a whole.

[Glamdring]

invite me to your party if you hate leachers. I usually at least /thf. I routinely SATA anyone who is AFK more than 5 minutes, even if they have the leader's permission. If you aren't contributing you have no business there.

Alternate idea, put the XP penalty for level difference back, but with a permitted 15 level gap. An alliance can afford to carry 1 person then who's a 30-ish keywhore, but not several leaches without hurting XP in a major way. Noone in their right mind would sync to say 60 in Abyssea, unless you were brewing even the NQ mobs.

[Greatguardian]

Alternate idea, put the XP penalty for level difference back

It's still there.

[Odintius]

invite me to your party if you hate leachers. I usually at least /thf. I routinely SATA anyone who is AFK more than 5 minutes, even if they have the leader's permission. If you aren't contributing you have no business there.

Alternate idea, put the XP penalty for level difference back, but with a permitted 15 level gap. An alliance can afford to carry 1 person then who's a 30-ish keywhore, but not several leaches without hurting XP in a major way. Noone in their right mind would sync to say 60 in Abyssea, unless you were brewing even the NQ mobs.

I say this should be the new trend to every leecher and afk person theif's im counting on you!!!!

[Reimii]

Gawd...

I love reading threads like this. It makes me giggle!

AAAANYWAY, I actually agree with the group that wants to increase the minimum level to enter Abyssea. Why? Well mostly personal interest. I won't say that I haven't leeched a job in Abyssea because if I did I'd be lying but I'll have you know that jobs I did leech were all ready of cap skill and decent gear because of the jobs I leveled before them...this is something most leechers don't do. I also won't say that it isn't nice getting from 30-90 in a matter of days but that isn't my point. I personally miss the challenge in the game. You know back in the good old days when it took FOREVER to get to 75 successfully..ESPECIALLY during the ToAU Golden Age when BLMs and WHMs were nearly dubbed obsolete in EXP parties thanks goddamn RDM obsessed idiots and the introduction of magic reflecting monsters. Back then when you hit 75 it was an accoplishment on a lot of jobs beacuse people put so much work into getting there.

For those of your arguing to keep the cap down, I can see your point but from my view it just makes you look really really lazy like you just don't want to "play the game" the way it's MEANT to be played...with hard work, strategy and planning. Forgive me if I'm wrong but it just seems like you're arguing to be lazy. While you're at it you should hire someone to afk in Abyssea for you. Pfft. On the two jobs I've leeched I never afk'd in abyssea. I always stayed active getting all the chests opened and doing my part as a member of the alliance. When I was high enough level to hit the mob I'd put on what gear I had and start smackin' it around. Easy peasy.

On a more serious note the only leechers I have an extreme loathing for are the ones who level a job without the ability to skill it properly before hand. By this I mostly mean people who abyssea leech on the following jobs: BRD, SMN, BLU, and NIN. These four jobs have job specific magical skills that can only be skilled up on that job. It's sad but i've personally heard someone say this back when people East Ron. (S) burn'd...they said that "Bard can be naked and still do it's job with or without skill". Well I'm sorry you're wrong. Bard requires three skills to effectively land their debuffs and make their buffs worthwhile especially now when they are required to proc yellow on NMs for seals the threnody has to LAND on it. If you burned your bard and started using it right away on NMs you will never land a single spell on anything even if you tried and frankly you'd only be useful for casting ballad and paeon.

*endobligatoryBRDrant*

Same goes for BLU SMN and NIN...for SMNs your BPs are gonna suck, for NIN your enfeebs won't land, and for BLUs you'll be missing most of your spells and you won't have enough skill to learn new ones quickly. Sure you can attempt to skill up while leeching but with people sprinting from 30-90 what time is there to get from 0-350+ skill? Point is...Abyssea burning has brought out some really crappy players with crappy skill and excellent gear which makes the really good players with good skill and decent gear look bad. Personally I would prefer the Good skill over the excellent gear if you get what I mean and having both is just a bonus.

With Love from the Mimsicle One <3

PS: All arguements aside, everyone's opinion here is valid. Leveling fast in abyssea is nice but leveling normally is more exciting. Just if you plan to level something, do take care and try to pace it so you can be as good as you can be at level 90.

PPS: Also note that some people are burning drops as a trophy piece to have all 20 jobs at level 90 to show off. Those of you that do this (I'm not saying anyone here is) are a bit late on thats seeing as there are many respected players who've had 20/20 jobs 75 before abyssea was added and therefore earned such a trophy with a lot more blood sweat and virtual tears than you did. You're nothing special.

PPPS: Let's all get along and have some banana cake, okay! ^^

[Mrbeansman]

Here's an idea don't force your Stockholm's syndrome on other people.

[viion]

lots of nonsense

So in the end you're just a hypocrite? Let me play how I want to play, or start paying for my monthly subscription, yeh?

[Skybrit]

I like that strategy Glamdring.. Keep up the good work.

[muhn]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9800/4d45f80389118b6a18003a2.jpg

just gonna leave this here

[Knivesmillions]

minimum lvl 70+ please, thanks

[azjazo]

ugh, do we really need this many threads on this? seriously people????

And no, I dont think SE should do anything about this situation, if you want change things then start encouraging the no-leach policy on your own, make parties and dont acept leaches, kick people if they are AFK for to long, make them wear silly hats for all I care...

Theres nothing wrong with the game (in that respect).

Its like back in the day you loved so much, the Grind Ages, it was very bad recived to see someone with a gimped subjob, it was the people that rejected those who showed on a party with gimped subs (or gear), but the game allows it, you were not complaining and suggesting SE "duurr SE make so people cant put a sub if its gimped durr durr hurr" I mean, it was something that the comunity punished all by themselves, no need to SE to do something about it.

If you hate HLN (high level noobs) then dont accept them in your parties, be a jerk, but dont suggest SE to be jerks too.

[Greatguardian]

Your signature is pure awesome.

[Skybrit]

You can make a good argument without insulting or attacking people.

[Ryland]

I agree, they should lower the entry level for abyssea to 1 instead of 30. Level 30 is too hard to get for new players, so we should just let them join in abyssea at level 1. Level 1 would be so great. I think you all are so smart for agreeing with the fact that the entrance level should be 1. Level 1. Thanks.

[Topdogg]

I agree, they should lower the entry level for abyssea to 1 instead of 30. Level 30 is too hard to get for new players, so we should just let them join in abyssea at level 1. Level 1 would be so great. I think you all are so smart for agreeing with the fact that the entrance level should be 1. Level 1. Thanks.

Read thread topic before you make a post reply. This topic is not about minimum level.

[Ryland]

Read thread topic before you make a post reply. This topic is not about minimum level.

Since you brought it up, there are many reasons they should lower the entrance level to 1. Actually level 5 would be ok too, because then I'd save the 4 levels I spent getting to level 5 for bonanza. Who agrees to lower the limit?!!?!one

[Skybrit]

Trollacious!

[Vinceroth]

lowering the lvl from 30 to 1 will be hazardous! if you think about it...the lvl was set at 30 bc it would take a little while for someone to get, atleast a few days, some maybe less, and that is perfect to stall any RMT. if the min was lvl1, the RMT's would just invite a pt of lvl1's, and use their other pt of lvl90's to spam dominion pages or w/e and poof, the few days they would have spent trying to get 30, will now instead have them 6 lvl90's ready to sell to idiots that don't want to lvl their own jobs, or use them to further increase RMT.

[Krazy]

I am not as angry with leeching as I once was with the exp boost. With this new boost, if you key anywhere outside of heroes aby its a loss in my eyes. Because the amount of time you will spend skilling back up is not worth the headache.

I love punishing key people/afk'ers. I would love to see it get taken it one step further

1) If you are below level 65 you can enter abyssea but you can't do any quest, pop any monsters, or do any abyssea domion ops

2) Exp from chests will always be half of what it could be for people under 65

3) Can't talk/interact with NPCs or use any npc functions while under 65 in abyssea.

4) You can only have 1 (or maybe 2) stacks of keys on you at one time if you are below level 65

Eh, maybe I am being too mean to the lazy key people of FFXI. I mean there have been a few good points of why key ppl are needed. Maybe I am just too jaded because when I make lower level pts for new players in the LS or I just want to level up another job I still see people with "Aby only key please" and they would have been something to tie a pt up to go fight (healer or tank this is a reference to).

I mean there were a lot people who did not like those who used to astral flow burn, but at least those people who did go and leech there paid the price for it. The prices I saw were 250-500k for a pull or an hour or 2. I could be wrong on those prices, its been a while since I used to see the /sh. Also the only thing I didn't like was that the players who attempted to stop the burn but diaga the pull got banned for a day or 3. Getting banned for claiming monsters that weren't claimed lol, who would have thought. Also yes people did get banned for doing this. 2 in game friends and 1 rl friend got banned just for diaga a groups pull before the smn's even started.

So basically lol punish the key ppl. I am too much of a heartless bastard at times lol.

Oh about afk'ers... a few tips

1) Don't stay in the party, leave and go search.
2) Let the pt ldr know that your leaving because there are too many afk'ers or too many key ppl.
3) Remember who these people are and don't go back to their pts any more.

Lazy alli ldrs and pt ldrs within the alli are usually the same ppl you run into in your server most of the time. People who get most of their LS in the pt and then have like 3-5 go afk/leech even when its not called for is stupid. Don't reward them by staying there and trying hard. Just let them know why your leaving if you want to be polite, or just straight up leave if you don't give a damn. Aby pts are not hard to get into, its hard to maintain. So even if you have a band of idiots who control the ldr spots in your exp pt, just go and remember who they are. Don't blist them because who knows maybe they will have a use for you later on. Just because someone is afk don't mean they suck, they just caught a case of I dont give a crap and you are just collateral damage. Instead, remember who they are (if your memory blows just write the name down), then when you see them shouting in port jueno jump in their group, get what you want, and bounce (or if you want complete what your doing with them but make sure you at least get yours). I bend over backward for nice people in this game, and assholes get treated like crap around me. I dont know what it is with abyssea but the nice people in this game just get taken advantage of and the assholes just run wild.

Please stop posting, I read that and almost had an aneurysm.

[Sagian]

As I suggested elsewhere, add a skill requirement to Abyssea. If your skills aren't up to par, then you can't participate. So, you can still go in at level 30 and leech maybe 3 levels, but if your skills don't 'keep up' you get ejected.

[Dew]

Making it so you get kicked in from the zone for idling is just plain dumb. What if you went afk out of party for dinner with say 300ish mins? You get kicked cause you had to go eat? Just plain dumb. If you don't like leech's kick them from your parties. Simple solution.

Simple fact is no matter what SE changes or does people will complain about this and that forever. People can never just be happy. There is always something they want changed that is too hard or too easy.

[Niklz]

If they lowered the limit to 1 I would cancel my account and just download a F2P MMO like Grand Fantasia, or Rappelz. At that point I would get as much entertainment, content and the feeling of exclusivity that a free mmo would provide.

and to the original topic, instead of kicking players out, I believe it would be more fun watching AFKers delevel :D

[Vivik]

If you don't like leech's kick them from your parties. Simple solution.


The problem is, most of these whiners are not the party leaders. They are the people that are too lazy to put an abyssea pty together. They join pickup groups with leeches who are friends/paid leeches of the party leader. These people then complain non stop in alli.

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.

[viion]

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.


hahaha, so true!!!!

[Eeek]

The problem is, most of these whiners are not the party leaders. They are the people that are too lazy to put an abyssea pty together. They join pickup groups with leeches who are friends/paid leeches of the party leader. These people then complain non stop in alli.

When all is said and done it's about lazy people complaining about lazy people. Just two different kinds of lazy people. Smart ones who leech, and not so smart ones who do nothing but complain.

Bingo.

It's infinitely easier to complain than it is to jump on a 30+ job, start /shouting, and run your own exp alliance.

[Alderin]

This thread has turned into a :-

"I am so great cause I have x amount of jobs and have only leeched 2x"
or a "I have never leeched a job in my life."
orrrr "I have leeched 15 jobs and have skilled and geared all of them."

Looks like I have a lot of certificates to print.

No one cares how many jobs you have at 90 anymore, and they care less about how many you grinded outside abyssea.

However pros and cons of both arguments are:-

For Leeching-
- For those of you who have grinded all your mage jobs, or need something new to play with - you don't need to grind it up to get to the fun end-game stuff.
- You get more options and more abilities to stagger mobs to get more gear.

Against Leeching-
- There are more lvl 90 "newbs" then ever before. ie: people don't know how to play there jobs.
- The people that believe it is wrong to leech are usually 10,000 times more skilled / better at their jobs / I would actually trust cure bombing me etc.
- For the people that believe leeching is wrong and wish to lvl a new job - there are very limited parties outside abyssea.
- For newer players that a) don't have the cruor, or b) don't know anyone that is kind enough to let them try and leech get left out - due to the lack of parties outside of Abyssea.

If I missed a few for the "leechers" side, please correct me. However from the way this post is leaning towards, I would assume you all know how I personally feel on the subject.

Raise the cap to 70+, orr have some crazy job-specific G1, G2, G3, G10,000 that the leechers have to go through in order to learn how to play their job. (The latter of the 2 options is extremely unlikely to happen, nor is a realistic strategy to force the lvl 90 dummies how to learn their job).

[Ramsos]

Against Leeching-
- There are more lvl 90 "newbs" then ever before. ie: people don't know how to play there jobs.
- The people that believe it is wrong to leech are usually 10,000 times more skilled / better at their jobs / I would actually trust cure bombing me etc.
- For the people that believe leeching is wrong and wish to lvl a new job - there are very limited parties outside abyssea.
- For newer players that a) don't have the cruor, or b) don't know anyone that is kind enough to let them try and leech get left out - due to the lack of parties outside of Abyssea.

1. This is a baseless argument. There were TONS of no talent morons before abyssea existed, it doesnt take much intelligence to throw up a party flag and get invited to a random party. How many times, before level sync existed, did you get invited to pts that were completely fail. If anything, leechers are far less likely to fail at their jobs since they know how to set up functioning abyssea alliances.

2. Just because a person leeched their job to 90, doesnt mean they dont have a clue on how to play the job. BG and the wiki exist, its not hard to learn about how a job is supposed to be played. If people refuse to use these resources, its not leechings fault.

3. Theres a reason why theres very limited pts outside abyssea nowadays...

4. Yes, newer players suffer and that is undeniable. But how many new players do we truly have nowadays? It makes no sense for SE to give existing players the shaft with removing abyssea leeching, just to cater to an extreme minority who wouldnt know the difference.

Ive said it before on other threads of this same topic and ill say it again. Removing the ability to leech from abyssea would effectively kill that method of exping. Without leeches, the whole box opening aspect comes to a halt. Non-leeches "can" open boxes, but I highly doubt that higher lvl people are going to be ok with wasting cruor on keys. You are always gonna get the people who "forgot to buy keys" or "dont have cruor for keys" or "forgot to open boxes" when they simply dont want to waste their cruor. At least with leeches there is no excuse, their sole job is box opening and you can tell when they arent doing their job since theres gonna be unopened boxes all over the place.

So, think before you blindly support the vocal minority. Do you really want abyssea exp to go poof, just so a couple masochists can "experience the social aspects of the game"?

[NightDagger]

imo leeching sucks. takes no talent to leech, takes no talent to make an alli. for abyssea. How hard is it to have 2 whm 2 blm a good puller or 2 & then DD's? if anyone thinks a newb. could nt figure this out then pffft.

Abyssea will not change so idk why i am wasting my time even writing this lol.

[hiko]

Read thread topic before you make a post reply. This topic is not about minimum level.

this thread is off-topic, [dev-1003] is about af3 upgrade items not leeching
reporting for bad dev tag use

[Crotin]

My favorite leechers are the ones that are gone for 15-30 minutes, someone notices they're afk, someone asks if they said they'll brb, and then magically the afker comes back since he's scared of getting kicked. The even funnier thing is when they'll still be technically AFK and just run up to every mob without drawing their weapon.

The even FUNNIER afkers that think they're smart are the ones that go all out or try to solo a mob on purpose and die, and then the whole time they're waiting for their weakness to go away they're afking to get even more XP than they lost.

I don't know why leeching is supported, basically people that support it only care about themselves and not the people actually doing the work. I don't really mind the key leechers all that much since at least they're doing something, but the afk leechers and the abyssea alliance leaders that take money for someone to leech....sigh. Just sigh.

[Zerich]

No just No.

If you have a problem with people taking level 30 jobs to get exp in abyssea then don't join those parties. If SE actually did listen to you complainers and raised the level cap on abyssea next thing you be complaining about is how you have nobody to do keys now and how nobody wants to do them because they need their curor for brewing NMs.

Keys aren't expensive and there are now PTs formed just for making cruor chains.

How many PTs have you been in where EVERY leech was actually doing something? Because I'm pretty sure that most recent Aby PTs I've been in have been at least 1-PT of leeches just sitting there, with either one or two of them on keys (only one is needed).

[Zerich]

Since you brought it up, there are many reasons they should lower the entrance level to 1. Actually level 5 would be ok too, because then I'd save the 4 levels I spent getting to level 5 for bonanza. Who agrees to lower the limit?!!?!one

Please go to the appropriate thread.
Thank you.

[magnius]

I don't have any problems with Abyssea. Any issues that have risen can be handled on the player side. I love Abyssea and it's flexibility especially at a time when there is a lot less players compared to five years ago.

[Ramsos]

My favorite leechers are the ones that are gone for 15-30 minutes, someone notices they're afk, someone asks if they said they'll brb, and then magically the afker comes back since he's scared of getting kicked. The even funnier thing is when they'll still be technically AFK and just run up to every mob without drawing their weapon.

The even FUNNIER afkers that think they're smart are the ones that go all out or try to solo a mob on purpose and die, and then the whole time they're waiting for their weakness to go away they're afking to get even more XP than they lost.

I don't know why leeching is supported, basically people that support it only care about themselves and not the people actually doing the work. I don't really mind the key leechers all that much since at least they're doing something, but the afk leechers and the abyssea alliance leaders that take money for someone to leech....sigh. Just sigh.

This is an entirely different situation than what we are arguing about. Afk leechers are bad, I doubt anyone here is arguing that they support it. By "leecher" we mean low level people who open boxes. Very different.

[goodgravy]

Heres an idea- when they release new lvl caps, instead of making it a just turn in a few crests and merits quest, they go back to the you have to defeat an nm to progress ala maat. That would alleviate some of the idiots running around with lvl 90 jobs and not clue how to use them and lacking half their basic spells/ws etc that are seen now. <At least until they beat the nm on an easier job lol>
that is quite possibly the best idea i've seen on here yet, good way to weed them out.

[vordox]

I never allow leeches or key whores. lol do what I do if I do end up with one have a blm d2 them. Then get the in tell hey wtf you doing. Oh just booting a slag that I did not want in my party. There done easy only complaint is the lazy ass bitch who wont do the work to get the levels.

[vordox]

that is quite possibly the best idea i've seen on here yet, good way to weed them out.

I so agree with this, add into it you must meet this skill level to advance to next area. I.E magic skill at level 88 skill cap

[Sama]

Just look at those people shouting inviting Key Person for gil.

[Cream_Soda]

Didn't read the entire thread, but that's a horrible idea. I sometimes go to sleep in abyssea. I had a party once that ended with me having over 1000 minutes of visitant status. After the pt ended, I did some NMs. Then I went to sleep, woke up w/ several hundred minutes leftover and I killed some more NMs.

[Alhanelem]

I never allow leeches or key whores. lol do what I do if I do end up with one have a blm d2 them. If you don't like stuff like this, than this is how you handle it. We don't need a restriction imposed by SE. The community can handle itself.

[Penance]

These are 3 expansions people bought and you would only let people use them from 75 (even 88 in previous post). Think reasonably.

You might run into people who sometimes leech/afk and not like it but if you want no interaction with them either avoid them , or go play an offline game.

Square enix gave players a choice to exp in abyssea or outside abyssea. If you think the exp is too fast and people are leeching. Well here something that goes slower and is 100% sure of no leeching: Soloing! (Yes you have that choice as well and you can do what you want)

[Zerich]

These are 3 expansions people bought and you would only let people use them from 75 (even 88 in previous post). Think reasonably.

You might run into people who sometimes leech/afk and not like it but if you want no interaction with them either avoid them , or go play an offline game.

Square enix gave players a choice to exp in abyssea or outside abyssea. If you think the exp is too fast and people are leeching. Well here something that goes slower and is 100% sure of no leeching: Soloing! (Yes you have that choice as well and you can do what you want)

That's like a new player complaining about lack of Sky and Sea access. Yes, they have bought the expansion packs, but they haven't yet reached a point of acheivement in the game to access it.

[Mordanthos]

you know, im really not sure "WHY" this isnt implemented in this specific MMO, but in like every single MMO ive ever played, if you were too low from another player, like as an example, usually 10 lvls is the threshold, and if u were partied with someone 10 lvls or higher...higher than u, you got no experience what so ever, and if you were lucky, you "might" still get quest credit even with players who were excess of the lvl gap limit. Why doesnt SE just make it so if your too low from the highest person in the party, you dont recieve exp, this would force you to lvl with people of your lvl.

It really doesnt make sense to me how a lvl 30 player even gets exp from a group of lvl 75+ people, they should be getting nothing anyways. It should work the same way as Too Weak To Be Worthwhile works in my opinion.

[Linh]

It really doesnt make sense to me how a lvl 30 player even gets exp from a group of lvl 75+ people, they should be getting nothing anyways. It should work the same way as Too Weak To Be Worthwhile works in my opinion.

Exp should be based upon how much one can contribute to a mob! So that means if you do so well that you don't get hit on a mob, your healer won't get any exp! Hell yea! SE is soooo gonna take it to that extreme. Becareful what you wish for.

[Mordanthos]

Exp should be based upon how much one can contribute to a mob! So that means if you do so well that you don't get hit on a mob, your healer won't get any exp! Hell yea! SE is soooo gonna take it to that extreme. Becareful what you wish for.

How does what your saying relate to what im saying in any way? I havent wished for that. I dont want contribution exp, thats dum, im saying certain lvl gaps cut off the exp if your too low.

[Greatguardian]

There have always been exp penalties for high gaps in level. A level 30 in a group with a level 90 has a 66.7% exp reduction (They are only gaining 1 exp for every 3 the level 90 gains), and most of the time a low level player will gain 0 EXP from Abyssea mobs until they have accumulated a decent amount of Gold light.

There is no reason to change the entire exp structure 8 years into the game.