Outpost Teleport Menu Ordering

[Camate]

The current menu for outpost teleports displays options in the below order:


Gil
Conquest Points
Cancel


We have received some requests that it be changed to the below order:


Conquest Points
Gil
Cancel


In order to determine which order the majority of players would prefer, we setup this poll.

Please select which order your prefer by voting via the poll by 1/25 (Wed.).

[Urat]

Thank you for this poll Camate, this was actually an issue I've been having, especially when conquest points take so long to build up. Accidentally teleporting with CP is quite expensive when you realize it cost the equivalent of 4~5 (and sometimes 10) warp scrolls :x

[Nitrous24]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

[Gannon]

Please change it to:



Conquest Points
Gil
Cancel

I was so used to hitting up and enter for OPing before the option to spend CP was added that now I keep hitting CP instead of Gil by mistake.

[Defiledsickness]

Conquest
Gil
Cancel

its cheaper to use conquest then to spend the gil. the only way you'll run out using warp scrolls and outpost warps is if you're also selling voiddust. spending the points on outpost warps instead of selling voiddust will actually save you more money since outposts can cost up to 1000gil.

[Radec]

its cheaper to use conquest then to spend the gil.

False, 2000Conquest = 1 Voiddust, minimum 20,000gil (and often more) on all servers.
OP warps cost 1Conquest per 10gil. For now, it's a loss to use Conquest to port instead of gil.


Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

Seconding this, but voted to change in the meantime.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

dis default to cancel and up gil down cp Thanks

[Mirabelle]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

Agree with this. Up or left to Gil, down for CP. No double press to get to gil. Nice solution Nitrous.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Sigh! I liked being able to use CP so easily, I have bucket loads I don't use. :(


Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

This is the best solution.

[Alhanelem]

It really doesn't matter which way it's set up, because you can always select any of the three options with one keypress or less (for canceling).

I don't know why this bothered anybody enough to complain about it.


False, 2000Conquest = 1 Voiddust, minimum 20,000gil (and often more) on all servers.
OP warps cost 1Conquest per 10gil. For now, it's a loss to use Conquest to port instead of gil.that's not false, if what you're saying is accurate then there's no difference. Plus if everyone notices this and buys up voiddust, the price of it will go down.

[Edyth]

Please change it to:



Conquest Points
Gil
Cancel

I was so used to hitting up and enter for OPing before the option to spend CP was added that now I keep hitting CP instead of Gil by mistake.

Who on EARTH instinctively uses the up arrows on NPC menus in this? SE almost always starts us on the bottom of a (usually extensive) list. The option we start on is the least desirable. At the top of the list is typically the most desirable option. Therefore, I usually hold left as soon as I start talking to the NPC so I can just skip to the top of the bullshit menu. Do you scroll through atma one at a time to get to the "Next page" option? I don't; I use the right arrow to skip to it. The menus are NOT suited for the up and down arrows most of the time.

[Alhanelem]

On the menu as it is now:

Pressing left will select Gil
Pressing up will select CP
Pressing nothing will select cancel.

Both options take a single button press to reach. I repeat, this is a non-issue.

[RAIST]

the problem I think is it may be requiring a retraining of the brain for long term players. There are simply some sequences of button presses you come to do instinctively over time and you aren't actually reading what you're accepting (like, getting sanction/signet, posting/buying things on the AH....I've had lots of people goof and buy a 1-5k item from me for 10-50k because they didn't catch they went one space too far to the left and just "auto" accepted their bid without reading it).

Since they are considering changing it while it is still new and people haven't been retrained to the new menu order, there is no harm in changing it to either option (CP/Gil/Cancel or Gil/Cancel/CP) as it puts things back to behaving as it used to for those who instinctively just hit up and accept for the service.

[Mohit]

I vote to have the last used option highlighted when you go back to the OP again.

[Phafi]

gil on top

[Delvish]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

What am I on, 8thing this? This is by far the best option with default to cancel.

If shot down, I vote for no change.
Gil
Conquest points
Cancel

[Tile]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

My vote is for this

[Glamdring]

no real preference, so keep it as it is, gil 1st.

bit of advice, to actually solicit opinions without all the extra commentary so you can just plug it into your tabulator you might want to set up a radio button only voting system. Have it tied to content IDs to prevent people from voting more than once, at least without buying another full version of the game (i.e. I have 1 main char and 15 mules, I get 1 vote). also lets you show your raw data in a simple incontrovertable form if the player-base attacks you guys (think back to the beast jug pet poll).

[JiltedValkyrie]

I 'unno about you guys... but those CP reaaaally add up and i don't do enough legacy content to make up for it whereas gil is ridiculously easy to obtain.

[Gannon]

Who on EARTH instinctively uses the up arrows on NPC menus in this? SE almost always starts us on the bottom of a (usually extensive) list. The option we start on is the least desirable. At the top of the list is typically the most desirable option. Therefore, I usually hold left as soon as I start talking to the NPC so I can just skip to the top of the bullshit menu. Do you scroll through atma one at a time to get to the "Next page" option? I don't; I use the right arrow to skip to it. The menus are NOT suited for the up and down arrows most of the time.

Well, when it was a menu with 2 options for the last 7 or so years, I think it just becomes a habit to do when I hit the OP NPC. Hell, I usually have hit these keys before the menu has completely loaded. And no I use left or right to navigate atma menus quickly, fyi. Nice little unprovoked personal attack though.

[Catmato]

Both options take a single button press to reach. I repeat, this is a non-issue.

You don't understand. It has nothing to do with how many button presses. It has to do with muscle memory and habits formed over the last x years. Please try to understand what people are discussing before repeatedly telling them they're wrong.

[Urat]

My vote is for this


Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

9thing this, hands down best option for all of us, good call Nitrous!

[Concerned4FFxi]

gil cancel conquest

[Babekeke]

With no major ways to get CP anymore, it will eventually become a non-issue anyway. If you click CP by mistake, you'll be told that you don't have enough so you'll have to try again for gil.

[Kristal]

You don't understand. It has nothing to do with how many button presses. It has to do with muscle memory and habits formed over the last x years. Please try to understand what people are discussing before repeatedly telling them they're wrong.

Yeah, I agree there. For years, this has been "up&away". I don't recall when they added the CP option, but I'm so used to that menu that I didn't even know a CP option was added until last week (and thus I have been using CP on a couple of warps unknowingly). Paying CP isn't even an issue for me, I got 150k stored, and soloing 600xp IT mobs on PUP (ignoring exp chain bonus) GoV runs means I won't run out of it anytime soon if I need more, but any menu change that puts gil at "up&away" has my favorite.

[Dragoy]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres
Took the feet out of my mouth (wow that doesn't work in English haha).

Was about to post this exact same thing! :]
I often use either Up or Left to go up... so I don't think I would vote for either of the options provided in the poll even though I am one of those that has been annoyed by using Conquest Points due to a mistake in the menu.

I hope this option could be considered to be added into the poll as well, which is doubtful...


I vote to have the last used option highlighted when you go back to the OP again.
This would work for me as well, but I'm afraid the game doesn't work like that. xd

[ShadowHeart]

lol really ....... people are more concerned about which order the wording is for OP warps then about new avatars or they gave us level 99 but no spells / gear to go with it cant upgrade empyreans/ relic yet to 99 but here is ur level... lol

[Treefiddy]

I vote for the change. That's all.

[RAIST]

@Camate

Just out of curiosity, wanted to see how the poll was doing elsewhere ( a virtual tie on JP boards)....but noticed the poll was not set up for the French and German boards.....might want to put it up there as well?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Don't forget to vote in the JP section too. Like here, the first option is to keep the current system and the second option is to change it.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/19797-OPテレポ利用時の選択肢　表示順位について
It's rather head-to-head there.

[wish12oz]

I dont care about the order, as long as you switch it so that it starts on gil, instead of cancel.

Or just remove the stupid CP option all together.

[Darkovercast]

- Gil.
- Cancel. < When you would choose your OP, the cursor would start here.
- Conquest Points.

This way people who are use to gil would be able to hit up, or left and still aways choose Gil never needing to worry about choosing Conquest Points.

People who favor using Conquest points could press down or right.

You could also consider a screen that allows the player that says something like

"You are warping to (region) with (gil/conquest points) yes/no" but that could get quite annoying.

I like the poll that you are allowing us to vote for this, but sadly its too limited with the question.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Don't forget to vote in the JP section too. Like here, the first option is to keep the current system and the second option is to change it.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/19797-OPテレポ利用時の選択肢　表示順位について
It's rather head-to-head there.Dont' forget you can vote on their side too. ^^
I didn't bother to look(JP button and all.), but it probably holds true for the other 2 forums as well.

[Mirabelle]

that's not false, if what you're saying is accurate then there's no difference. Plus if everyone notices this and buys up voiddust, the price of it will go down.

even if the value is the same as far as AH and tele menus are concerned, the real life value is different. I can one shot a goblin walking around virtually anywhere for 30 gil easy and would have to kill an EP mob in a Conquest zone using signet with a few shots to get 3 CP. 2 sec vs. 20 sec. Over time it adds up.

And the fact that I can earn gil various ways all over Vanadiel and can only earn CP if I kill EP or better mobs in Conquest zones with Signet on, its far more limiting time expenditure to use CP. If you want to make gil on Void dust, you'll use Cruor or AP as they are far more efficiently farmed compared to CP/IS

[Liltrouble]

I vote Gil on top, cancel bottom

[MissAngie]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

This is the same suggestion that I would like to make, and I think it would also make both sides happy. This make the gil option the same as it was before (as it has been since years and years ago) so that everyone's muscle memory isn't kicking themselves in the butt. And also those who want to use conquest points to teleport now, just have to choose the new option of scrolling down to it. Please like Nitrous24's post or mine to show your support~

[oliveira]

Voting on multiple polls are stupid and I am almost sure that SE staff will filter out the votes to catch people "cheating"/"manipulating" this way the pools.

Anyway, the best suggestion was:

Gil.
Cancel. (Cursor defaults cancel as with most of the other in game selection menus.)
Conquest points.

So my answer is kind of Implement it this way instead of how it's suggested in the poll and everyone will be happy. Or leave it alone.

[Caria]

Leave it as it currently is.

[tfun90]

Dear SE: please stop reading this thread and move Porter Moogles to inside Mog Houses instead. We could send a man to the moon with the man-hours spent going to out-of-the-way zones to release our gear from captivity.

[Khiinroye]

*Gil
*Cancel (default selection)
*Conquest Points

This is by far the best suggestion.


If we have to stay with the two choices:

*Conquest Points
*Gil
*Cancel

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Or just preset the freakin' cursor gil instead of changing the whole menu....

[Zarchery]

I can't really say I have a preference, but I don't see why they added the option to spend CP in the first place. It's not like it was ever expensive, and gil isn't in short supply.

It shouldn't make a difference where the options are, as long as they stay consistent. People will eventually OP warp enough that muscle memory will take over.

[Raka]

Please keep the current one. I have always chosen the option by holding left on the controller to go to the top of the list. Changing it based on these people who press up is alienating the people who press left.. The simplest solution is
Gil
Cancel
Conquest Points

This would make both sides happy by allowing both up arrow and left arrow to choose the same option while allowing the people who finally got a new option (conquest points) to choose theres

Since I feel the need to vote, I choose this option. Not that there are more important things to worry about fixing than the way the Outpost Warping options are arranged or anything...

[Lokithor]

I can't imagine a less important change to a User Interface than this one. I won't even bother to vote.

If you want to do something useful, change the list of outposts from the names of the regions (which I can never remember) to the names of the actual zones you are OP'ing to.

[Norycat]

I don't know if it has already been said, but what about making a persistent option where you can toggle whether to use gil or conquest points. Then people can just set it the way they want it and forget about it.

[Camate]

Thanks for all the votes!

The development team will be using this information to look further into this matter. As there were also other suggestions besides the two options listed on the survey they will be taking those into consideration as well.

With this said, we will be locking this thread and when any progress is made we will be sure to announce it.