Expanding mog house!

[Wibbly]

Last Edit: 5/29/2011 12:00 AM

I may have put this in a lot of times over the years, but let me give it another shot!

You're an adventurer that has seen the world, fought terrible monsters, helped your nations again and again and become beloved by it's citizens. You've grown in rank and status and become a true hero. You've seen the highest and lowest points of everything in your grand journey. You've collected treasures and baubles and armors and weapons the world could only dream of laying their hands on!


And you keep it all in boxes and out of sight in a tiny studio apartment shared with your cuddly servant.

Err... Yeah. So we come to expandable mog houses! If you can carry an invisible bag full of items and pay a goblin who can amazingly work on a bag you never hold or see and "fix" it for you, why not pay and supply items to make your home nations house bigger so you can start showing off your rank, power, fortune and station in life? More spots to show your collectibles, properly organize them into rooms, and finally have your bedroom and place to change away from the prying eyes of your moogle!

I think it would be as simple as making the environments, then making them available through rank, fame, and getting supplies for a quest! Then waiting days or a week or some such for the work to be finished and have a larger home, a brand new wing room, maybe even a loft with stairs leading to it or something.

Imagine how happy your moogle will be that he can finally stretch his legs in your now well sized home~!

And imagine his melancholy when he realizes he also has to keep cleaning it for you!


Every person I speak this two comes back and says the same thing. "Yeah! That's a great idea!" So what do you guys say??

:D

EDIT:

Mog House Expansion

>Expanded Mog Houses< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-Web.jpg)

A simplified version, 1.2



1: Requirements for Expanding One's home.

Mog house expansions will require certain criteria to be met in one's adventuring lifestyle to spur a moogle into thinking that a bigger home might be required to live comfortably. These criteria, so far, include but are not limited to:

1: Completing a rank 10 mission for your home nation.
2: Completing the story lines for other major expansions.
3: Completing quest related criteria.

Believably, these conditions can be met at any time, but being sequential would be preferred for simplicity.

The first upgrade would add an additional room on either the side, or back of your mog house respective of the limitations of your home nations architecture.

The second upgrade would do the same thing as the first upgrade, still limited by the requirements of the homes architecture, and add an identical room opposite the first.

The third upgrade would add a loft above the main floor of the mog houses first floor, and place stairs leading from the back of the room to the loft. This is easier due to the fact that most mog houses have areas in the rear of the room that cannot have furniture placed in them lest they obstruct the houses primary decoration. Additionally, this may display itself as a third annexed room for a greenhouse, or a basement floor.

Each upgrade would require:

1: A sum of gil to handle the expenses and labor involved in expanding the home.
2: Framework items (created through woodworking or metalworking), as well as certain "flavor" items to assist in it's construction such as quested items, equipment, or materials.
3: (Optional) Completion of a quest to find proper labor, or rare items required in the upgrades.
4: The appropriate conditions met including rank.


2: The Process. (Off the cuff)

First Upgrade: You've done it! Under no uncertain terms by reaching rank 10 for your home nation you have proven your mettle to all those who live near you and become an adventurer worth merit in their eyes. The leader of your nation sends their personal regards to your moogle, and commends you for your accomplishments. Given the nature of your mog house, and the nature of the houses of important figures in the nations cities, it seems paltry to keep you in a home quite so small.
Your moogle informs you that the city has given you permission to expand, and thanks to your moogles connections to the MHMU, they have just the solution in mind! If you collect the proper materials and funds necessary to expand your home then your moogle can handle all the paperwork!


Second Upgrade: The Emptiness is banished, Promathia is defeated, the world is once again brought to peace through your selfless acts. Gifts of fine stone and wood are lavished on you from nations afar. But the bad news is your moogle has nowhere to store it all! Pondering the subject, the conclusion is another mog house expansion!
Seeing as you already have the wood and stone that will be needed, the funding and labor will be required. The woodworkers and blacksmithing guilds would be happy for the work, so it would be best to find people who are willing to assist you on the project! Your moogle will handle organizing all of the materials and paperwork, but the sooner you have people to use them the better!


Third Upgrade: The new Empress of Aht Urghan has been crowned. You are labeled the eternal mercenary. You travel to your home nation with mixed feelings on how things happened in the far reaches of the world...
But your moogle can't handle all these gifts people keep sending back to you! It's all well and good to be a heroic adventurer until your moogle breaks their back to keep all of your newfound wealth and fame inside such a home, now too small to contain itself! Your neighbors are starting to complain! There has to be a solution. The ministries in Windurst can magically expand your home with the help of the MHMU's skills and secrets so that your home can be bigger than ever without taking up more room! Hey, if they can make a satchel carry ten sets of armor, they may as well try to do it on a house!
But the price and materials will be expensive, or hard to find. This isn't an every day business venture. You'll need skilled labor, rare items and artifacts, the strongest materials you can manage to obtain, and most of all enough money to pay for it all!


3: The Optional Stuff (not necessarily included)

1: Furniture Storage: Your home has become so large and filled with things your poor moogles wings are having trouble holding up all the heavy objects in his bags, magical or not! They suggest it might be an excellent idea to consider more permanent solutions to where you're going to store your furniture in the future!

2: The Balcony or Greenhouse:

>Balcony and Greenhouse< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse--2-Web.jpg)

While your moogle might have a green thumb the likes of which no other moogle can compare to, the plants you're trying to grow might want more sunlight to help them grow big and strong! This might be a good excuse to add an exterior expansion to your mog house, even if it comes included in the final expansion of your mog house.


4: What Else? (Things maybe not even in this project)

1: Split Elements: "The fire element in your main room is fizzling out the ice element in your second room, which is in turn getting harassed by your water element in the third! I think it might be a fair idea to keep them separated!" says your flustered moogle as they try to manage your home. But hey, that's what magic is for! Keeping the elements in your home split apart would not only impart you with a more balanced strategy for how your furniture is placed out, but where it is placed out to provide you with the bonuses you need, where you need them. And more so, no more puddles randomly appearing in your home!

2: Usable Furniture:

>Usable Furniture< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-3-Web.jpg)

Multiple animations have been added to allow NPC's to enjoy their environments, so why shouldn't PC's be able to as well? Allowing use of your furniture adds one, notably comfortable, layer to the uses of the furniture you purchase for your home. Sit down to meetings with your LS by actually sitting down to a meeting! Feed your fish tanks! Take a cat nap in your arm chair next to the fire.

3: More Furniture: This only applies to the second optional idea, being that while we currently have furniture made and ready, and constantly being added to our mog houses, perhaps a set of designated usable furnitures can be added to assist in the endeavor of making our mog houses more homey.

4: Optional Payed Services: You see this a lot in online games these days, and seeing as the lovely people at Square-Enix are sacrificing their air conditioning to provide us our game, we should add as much to their wallets for a vacation somewhere cool and relaxing as possible. Special furniture for your mog house purchased on the side. Good looking furniture. Furniture with special function. Collectible or musical furniture from the past that is no longer available. The options are endless and will allow for side purchases without disrupting game balance issues the same as offering payed for armor and weapons, which is a slippery slope idea. Even better, how about simply purchasing special materials that you give to a woodworker in game to make the furniture for you? Of course this means that rare/ex furnitures wouldn't be available. It's all an idea to begin with, something to spur thought.

[Francisco]

You posted this in the wrong place, but I assume it will get moved to the right forum anyway.

I 100% fully support this suggestion - and I too would love to see the ability to add further rooms, possibly a loft as you mentioned, and maybe the addition of further mog safes (a way to lay more furniture... I'm currently ~70/80 on my mog safe, and it's all furnishings).

You can still do a lot with the current layout if you can get the right items (good luck), but I do often find myself wishing I had an extra square of space to work with along each side of the wall.

Some minor additions I'd also like to see added:

- Allow us to use the front wall to hang wall items.

- Stationary set and Wastebasket to be included among the EX items transferable to the same POL account. I tossed them before I bothered with mog house stuff, and would like to reacquire them somehow - even if by doing the quest on a mule.

[Chronofantasy]

If you can afford it: 3 Mannequins is the only furnitures you need to cap the total storage space for /80 spots. Each Mannequin gives 28 storage spaces. I have 3 mannequins myself but I also have other crap laying around in my MH because they're ex or ex/rare and I don't like to get rid of some of that stuff. Extra rooms would be nice but I don't think people really visiting their nation MH very much anyways. Sadly I don't think most of the playerbase would have use of all those extra rooms unless each room gives some storage space also even if it's a small amount like /20 spaces for a kitchen or /50 spaces for a bedroom.

[Wibbly]

I have plenty of storage and a good layout in my house. It's just that it get's cramped! Adding in the fact the rug in the center (obviously for usability and spawning reasons) takes up a large amount of space and it leaves you with fewer options.
Now instead imagine expanding your house so I can move my bed and Almirah into one room, my blatant storage into another, and decorate my center room to entertain guests or show off my stuff!

You could even diversify it! Each nation would have something something specific to lend to their rooms. The loft could go to one nation, a larger back room put in the back walls could go to another, and the third could get something entirely else though I'm short on ideas and sleep...

I imagine so long as the options are simple to include, they'd be great! Especially considering how high the ceilings are in some nations, or the structure of the walls allows for small archways to be put in to lead to other rooms. I imagine Bastok having more floor space, Sandy having something articulate added, and Windurst having the loft to be honest. Seems very "cat-like" if you ask me.

[Shadotter]

*nods* We become grand adventurers, gone from being looked down on to being able to hang out with the rulers of nations on a whim, saved the world countless times. Having a nicer apartment would be awesome.

[Wibbly]

It only makes sense!

[Wibbly]

Well let's not simply let this rest as a good idea. Coming to brass tacks about it, it would be best to think this idea through fully! What nations get what expansions? What would be the requirements or quest to get it done? What materials it would cost?

For my ideas I think it would be best to expand at rank 6, after defeating the Shadow Lord, and rank 10, being a true hero for your nation!

[RAIST]

At this point...I'd settle for just being able to add a simple closet to throw my junk in myself. I didnd't go the manequin route, but got one of the 65 storage wall shelf system things. So I have a handful of other pieces in there (bed for xp moghancement, beverage barrel for free grape drinks, pots for planting in and such). I've only got roughly 6 or maybe 7 spots of "wasted" space in furniture to max out storage. Took all my stuff down from AH before the servers went offline (just in case) and I'm 100% full on 80/80/80/80/80 (well, except my inbox has only one item in it still, so I technically have that open).

Raist

[Wibbly]

I have 80 storage too, it's not about that. I want to collect many more things for my mog house to display and decorate with to be honest! Keep in mind. I have 80 storage with my mog safe still being just 30! (Anyone wanna lend me expansion beds and items on Quetzalcotl? xD)

This is made to be aesthetically pleasing to make your house a home!

[Kitkat]

I second this. Like many others, I enjoy decorating my moghouse but find that trying to create a home feeling is difficult. Also many of my decorations don't always transition well from the sleeping area to wardrobe, to small dinning area. I'd also like to add another suggestion for the crafters/herbalist who need specific auras.

-Rather than make the entire home subjected to auras, make the primary the Aura affected area and additional areas Aura-effect negated. This way even crafters can still decorate their MH without worry of losing Aura effects due to furnishings they place in the expansion areas. Currently I have to keep most of my plants on mules cause of furniture aura overpowering Auras for growing >.< If not then possibly the option to turn aura on certain pieces available ;;

[Wibbly]

Sounds like a fun idea. I mean, my MH is filled with a water aura. Not sure what that does for me (I collect fish tanks) but for some folks it might be very important!


Thinking on the required materials in the current game the obvious ones would be copious amounts of lumber and metal, but can anyone think of more that would be needed to expand the homes? Besides money I mean.

[Kjara]

I totally support this idea, a mog house expansion would be great, especially if it grows proportionally to your rank (although I think it would give issue when you change allegiance and are back to a lower rank).

I'd also like SE to reintroduce the "residence pick" feature we once had, because I'd love to set it in WG or jeuno so I can invite friends inside (instead of being stuck with Rent-à-Room only).

[Spamtastic]

i fully support this idea but i don't believe the M.H.M.U would be too into it. good luck!

[Yashii]

I absolutely LOVE this idea. LOVE. ; ; My Moghouse is teeny. The carpet takes up 75% of it. D: and I dont have enough room for my friends to come over cause my flowerpots are taking over the place! :3 Maybe give us a little bitty greenhouse to garden in too? :3 :D

[Lithian]

AUGH! This is something I've been pining for for ages! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support this.

If we had to pick one tiny thing only when it came to mog house expansion, though, I'd probably go for more wall space. I have too many rare/ex furnishings that I'd love to have up on my walls all at once, but can't. It LOOKS as though there's so much space in which they could be put, at least when you look at the walls, too! Sometimes I wish I could just drape one of my many flags over my window because of it, haha.

[Cupofnoodles]

my mog house is full of rusty buckets, if you dont believe me hit me up on Asura and i'll show you.

[Cupofnoodles]

Thinking on the required materials in the current game the obvious ones would be copious amounts of lumber and metal, but can anyone think of more that would be needed to expand the homes? Besides money I mean.

like 1,000 x type of lumber to expand or something?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Here's how you do it SE;
Have people pay the addition $1 a month like an additional character only instead give the designated account an additional, large storage.

[Coldbrand]

I'd also still REALLY love to be able to see mog house zones. That'd be the coolest thing ever. Have people hanging out on their doorsteps etc.

[Gaspee]

It's a great idea! I'd really like some extra space in my abode...

Too bad the PS2 limitations will likely kibosh this wish as well;

[Yawn]

You can enter the mog house of a friend simply by partying with them. the other person enters and selects >> open Mog house from the moogle menu. Then, you go to an NPC outside any mog house entrance in their home nation and you can enter their home. SE also had the idea of making mog houses into vendor stations, but I think that wa abandoned.

the idea of mog house expansion is very nice. i have another idea, as well. Perhaps SE could start a rent-a-room decorating contest. Seeing the same boring rent-a-rooms gets old after a while. Once every 6 months or a year, they could hold a contest with a winner from each nation. The winning designs become the rent-a-rooms in each of the starting nations, with special themed houses being used for jeuno and Aht Urghan. One winner woudl be picked form each nation and cover all realms.

Rewards could be special themed mog house items, or just simply the satisfaction of people seeing your design whenever they enter a rent-a-room.

[Lithian]

Here's how you do it SE;
Have people pay the addition $1 a month like an additional character only instead give the designated account an additional, large storage.

This isn't just about storage, though. It's mainly about increasing the physical size of our mog houses.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

This isn't just about storage, though. It's mainly about increasing the physical size of our mog houses.It still aplies.

[Insaniac]

I support the OPs idea under one condition. Make a separate storage for furniture so i can actually pimp my mog crib without having to throw away my rdm gear that I keep in my safe. Possibly remove the item from your inventory once its placed in your MH? I would love to decorate and expand but not at the cost of usable inventory. This would create a legitimate market for furniture as well and some of the more rare items would actually pop up on the AH if they had a chance of selling in less than 8 months. My guess as to why this hasn't been exploded already is PS2 limitations.

[Wibbly]

I'd also still REALLY love to be able to see mog house zones. That'd be the coolest thing ever. Have people hanging out on their doorsteps etc.

It sounds cool, but then that area would become a sort of slum or place for old galkas to rock in a chair and point hexaguns at passerby saying "Git off mah lawn!"


Also to Insaniac: It's not a storage issue really. Think about this. My original mog safe, 50 items, was 35 items full until I hit my storage cap. Trouble is the floor and wall and table space isn't enough to show off my swag. Adding in a locker and satchel and sack was suppose to help our storage. I don't even have a full mog safe, a big bag, or locker yet. I'm coping. You just need to consolodate the things you don't use any more.

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One thing I think will help! If there are any artists poking through this thread, one's with good mental images of the MH's and a good deal of experience drawing architecture, why not scan this thread and come up with some concept art! The more of this we make easy for SE's development team, and show how committed we are with it, the easier it will be to catch their notice!

Also poke a mod! I doubt they can be ignoring this, but just in case it doesn't hurt to say "Hey, look at this! :D"

[Insaniac]

Also get rid of rent-a-rooms entirely. I don't care if there is no explanation for my furniture being sent across continents or back in time. Just do it and while you're at it let me use my storage wherever I want.

[Saerun]

I definitely support this idea, but here's my two cents to tack on. Please let me know what you think!

Being able to have minimal interactions with pieces of furnishings, like being able to sit on a bed or having a chair that you can sit on! Sitting on the floor is rather uncomfortable when I have a lovely noble's bed that I can't even lounge on! Now, I'm not saying that we should be able to pick up a book from a bookcase and be able to chuck it at a random visitor (as humorous as that would be). But can we at least be able to sit somewhere more comfortable in our own houses?

Or maybe even change the color/size of the rug? That ugly tan really clashes with most of my furnishings!

[Wibbly]

I definitely support this idea, but here's my two cents to tack on. Please let me know what you think!

Being able to have minimal interactions with pieces of furnishings, like being able to sit on a bed or having a chair that you can sit on! Sitting on the floor is rather uncomfortable when I have a lovely noble's bed that I can't even lounge on! Now, I'm not saying that we should be able to pick up a book from a bookcase and be able to chuck it at a random visitor (as humorous as that would be). But can we at least be able to sit somewhere more comfortable in our own houses?

Or maybe even change the color/size of the rug? That ugly tan really clashes with most of my furnishings!

I like the idea but the problem with that lies in the fact that they haven't programmed in chairs, people sitting, using objects or -anything- in the game including NPC's! Shocking actually! That'd be a big big project for them.

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Side note: I'm not sure what the PS' limitations might be, but I'd think that adding the expanded mog house mappings and such would just be a patch thing. A few extra files in an update, not exactly a game changer.

What are the PS limitations people seem to be talking about? Anything specific worth noting in this case?

[Insaniac]

Its a storage issue for me. I have like 5 pieces of furniture to max my storage and I'm still pressed for space. I have a pretty extensive gear collection though 0.0

[Wibbly]

Its a storage issue for me. I have like 5 pieces of furniture to max my storage and I'm still pressed for space. I have a pretty extensive gear collection though 0.0


I'll probably hit that same problem down the road... But my Mog safe is for decorations only! Ever since buying that mog sack I've kept gear in it. Once I have the locker and satchel, man oh man will I be completely unpressed for space.

[Linh]

I support this thread. Better looking and bigger Mog Houses please~

[Tsukino_Kaji]

PS2 Limitations!

But realy, just how much time are you people spending in your mog house? I only ever sleep there.

[Wibbly]

It's like, it's been how many years since FFXI was established? And how many years since the buildings were checked if they remain up to code? Some of the wood might be rotting or need new roofing or be fire hazards?

;D I think the MHMU needs to seriously consider renovations!


Besides, even if we don't spend all that much time there, when we do it's purposeful, and our moogles deserve bigger houses too.

As we get more famous their parties while we're away just get bigger, you know?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It's like, it's been how many years since FFXI was established? And how many years since the buildings were checked if they remain up to code? Some of the wood might be rotting or need new roofing or be fire hazards?There was already an expasion that adrerssed your code violations.
P.S. You fixed them.

[Wibbly]

So materials...


1000 lumber?!? :0 Looks like someone is a woodworker looking to cash in eh?

Let's look at more reasonable levels than a bajillion stacks of wood!

[Saerun]

I like the idea but the problem with that lies in the fact that they haven't programmed in chairs, people sitting, using objects or -anything- in the game including NPC's! Shocking actually! That'd be a big big project for them.



Well, take a look at the /jobemotes that they came out with. While the poses are temporary, It could at least be a stepping stone to creating a /sit command that would work with beds (and chairs if they would have the time/effort to program them). Mind you, this is just an idea that I've had for a while and I just wanted to through out there. ^^

[Anela]

I Totally LOVE the idea!!

[Insaniac]

I'll probably hit that same problem down the road... But my Mog safe is for decorations only! Ever since buying that mog sack I've kept gear in it. Once I have the locker and satchel, man oh man will I be completely unpressed for space.

All of my bags and sacks and lockers are at least 75/80. I try to keep my actual inventory at no more than 70 so it doesn't take me 35 minutes to gear swap. This is a challenge. It's not even an option for me to think about building up elemental affinity for specific moghancements or even gardening. Many players are in this same situation. A special safe with maybe 30-50 slots that will only hold furniture would be amazingly helpful. SE could then start introducing more trophy furniture (mounted fafnir skulls, a behemoth skin rug) to show off your achievements that you could collect from title changer NPCS. I'm not a very sentimental player and have never really cared much for anything but reaching goals and moving on to the next one, but this is something even I would get really excited about.

[Wibbly]

All of my bags and sacks and lockers are at least 75/80. I try to keep my actual inventory at no more than 70 so it doesn't take me 35 minutes to gear swap. This is a challenge. It's not even an option for me to think about building up elemental affinity for specific moghancements or even gardening. Many players are in this same situation. A special safe with maybe 30-50 slots that will only hold furniture would be amazingly helpful. SE could then start introducing more trophy furniture (mounted fafnir skulls, a behemoth skin rug) to show off your achievements that you could collect from title changer NPCS. I'm not a very sentimental player and have never really cared much for anything but reaching goals and moving on to the next one, but this is something even I would get really excited about.

Well now that sounds like a more reasonable idea, but at the same time, this is about expanding the size of our mog houses rather than encroaching storage issues. They said they were working on things to help fix that more, and I believe them.

This is a thread about mog house size expansion. :3

[Randwolf]

I have 80 storage too, it's not about that. I want to collect many more things for my mog house to display and decorate with to be honest! Keep in mind. I have 80 storage with my mog safe still being just 30! (Anyone wanna lend me expansion beds and items on Quetzalcotl? xD)

This is made to be aesthetically pleasing to make your house a home!
This.

My house gets really crowded during the holidays since I always decorate for them.

[Insaniac]

Well now that sounds like a more reasonable idea, but at the same time, this is about expanding the size of our mog houses rather than encroaching storage issues. They said they were working on things to help fix that more, and I believe them.

This is a thread about mog house size expansion. :3

I get ya. Sorry for slightly derailing but for me personally the ideas are connected because I can't do a thing with extra room if I don't have more storage spaces for furniture.

[Rosalie]

If you can afford it: 3 Mannequins is the only furnitures you need to cap the total storage space for /80 spots. Each Mannequin gives 28 storage spaces. I have 3 mannequins myself but I also have other crap laying around in my MH because they're ex or ex/rare and I don't like to get rid of some of that stuff. Extra rooms would be nice but I don't think people really visiting their nation MH very much anyways. Sadly I don't think most of the playerbase would have use of all those extra rooms unless each room gives some storage space also even if it's a small amount like /20 spaces for a kitchen or /50 spaces for a bedroom.

Actually, you don't even need 3 mannequins anymore. 1 panetiere (65 storage) and 1 six-drawer almirah (or anything with 15 or more storage) would cap out storage space if you were really trying to mini-max space.

I like to keep other things around for lulzies though.

[Wibbly]

I like to keep other things around for lulzies though.

LULZIES MUST BE UPHELD!


Anyhow, basing it on furniture for min-maxing your space sounds great and all, but I like my bookshelves and stuff, and elements don't worry me much.

Anyone have an artist around to help conceptualize this stuff? :D

[Wibbly]

Thinking further on the situation I've come up with a list based on various this and that's! Why didn't I think of it before?

Item requirements for the mog houses should go something like this:

First step:
Storage maxed out, Moogle mentions that keeping all of your stuff in one place is becoming a hassle to keep clean and orderly. He suggests expanding your home to include extra space for your things! But he needs materials.

60 pieces of lumber
40 ingots
40 animal glue
Various tools
A sum of gil

:D

But I'll need help determining the further expansions and particular materials. What type of lumber and metal, plus what the requirements will be for say, two more phases, rank 6 and rank 10.

[Alderin]

Once I have the locker and satchel, man oh man will I be completely unpressed for space.

I give it 2 weeks after you get it...

That satchel of yours will fill up in no time, and you will be stuck with 80 slots of more junk. That of which you can't move into your gobbie bag in order to drop because both your satchel and bag are full >_>

[Wibbly]

I give it 2 weeks after you get it...

That satchel of yours will fill up in no time, and you will be stuck with 80 slots of more junk. That of which you can't move into your gobbie bag in order to drop because both your satchel and bag are full >_>

>_>;; Don't jinx me... I've got a mog safe at 50, and a gobby bag of 45... I'm doing just fine.

... Mostly.


Oh god it's already begun! *Beats Alderin*

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You'd have to trade your WHOLE MOG HOUSE to the trial moogle to get the stamp on it! @.@

[Wibbly]

What levels of each should be required? I know Lauan lumber is the low level stuff... So maybe like a 3/10 one the scale of ZOMG EXPENSIVE WOOD, same for ignots, maybe animal glue is fine for the random element. what's a suitable amount of gil...? 200k? 500k? ONE MEEL-EE-OHN GEEL?!?

Then the next sets. Higher tier lumber and ingots, and a new random element that could be used for house building sort of things, and a new amount of gil. C'mon folks! Hive mind with me! Brain storm! Intellectual orgy! Help meeee!

[Francisco]

Thinking further on the situation I've come up with a list based on various this and that's! Why didn't I think of it before?

Item requirements for the mog houses should go something like this:

First step:
Storage maxed out, Moogle mentions that keeping all of your stuff in one place is becoming a hassle to keep clean and orderly. He suggests expanding your home to include extra space for your things! But he needs materials.

60 pieces of lumber
40 ingots
40 animal glue
Various tools
A sum of gil

:D

But I'll need help determining the further expansions and particular materials. What type of lumber and metal, plus what the requirements will be for say, two more phases, rank 6 and rank 10.

That'd be excessive... those materials would spike in price to ridiculous amounts and wouldn't be on the AH for more than 3 minutes for months to come.

[Wibbly]

That'd be excessive... those materials would spike in price to ridiculous amounts and wouldn't be on the AH for more than 3 minutes for months to come.

Naturally. o-o It's home expansion! Look earlier in the thread and you'll find furniture builders with lack of work to be done making furniture that shows up on the AH once in a blue moon and sells six months later on constant sale.

It'll also help metal workers and monster farmers and give the economy a kick in the pants or finally make you dust off your lumberjack hat. EITHER THAT, or SE might loosen up the daily supply amounts the guilds have of these supplies etc.

I still have to beat up people who are over charging ridiculously for gobby bag materials...

<_< Grr...

[Francisco]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/MrBill82x/mh-pro.jpg

Something I threw together really quick... it's basically the current mog house adding two rooms on the left, and a staircase on the right... the stairs lead up to a loft which leads to a balcony (think of it as a Mog Penthouse)...

I think something like that would be neat.

Edit: Lots of added wall space... could probably get two items per wall in rooms A and B...

Didn't utilize the walls in the lower right hand corner because they may be obstructed by stairs... Maybe each room can have a targetable spot in a corner called "Mog Compartment" where you can store additional items.

[Wibbly]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/MrBill82x/mh-pro.jpg

Something I threw together really quick... it's basically the current mog house adding two rooms on the left, and a staircase on the right... the stairs lead up to a loft which leads to a balcony (think of it as a Mog Penthouse)...

I think something like that would be neat.

Problem I see (perhaps not with the side rooms).

Perhaps instead of expanding to the side we could see expansion in the back of the rooms. Most places have fireplaces, Windy has the fountain. I do like that you took the window into consideration from the right side, but the stairs would impede normal floor space in the living area. Can you think of a work around? If the stairs went in the back of the room instead and say, spiraled one end of the room to the other to get to the loft in an arc, would that work perhaps?

The more ideas we have the better so let's get a bunch together!


Edit: Noticed the balcony idea. I like it! Actually having a view would be amazing. I honestly wonder how much work it would take to program this in... I mean, it would be generalized for each nation and all, so it might be easier that way, but still. If we over complicate things too much we're just making it more difficult to convince people.

EDIT edit: We should still poke a mod or Dev team member to scan through this forum.

[Wibbly]

So, we have the idea. We have growing concepts. We have a rough idea of what it might take. We have lots of people finding this forum and saying it would be great. Let's start pushing this idea a bit! There are mods flitting about here and there so why not find one and gently suggest finding this thread? Also, I can't imagine they pass by the suggestion boards without seeing it being bumped daily.. So if there is one hanging around pop in and give us your opinions and guidance!

<3

[Wibbly]

The thread hungers for more input.


D:

[annewandering]

I would completely LOVE having a crafting room that is affected only by the furnishings in it. A garden room for pots as well. It is hard to keep gardening up when you are doing smithing and use the fire etc for that craft. A living room that could be decorated any way you wanted with no regard for elemental influences and a bedroom for decorative purposes as well. I dont want my bed in my living room. It is just too odd. I would not mind having elemental influence on those rooms but separate from crafting. That way you could put garden pots in the bedroom if they did not give a separate room for that.
Being able to sit or lay on the furniture would be wonderful as well.
I do not think any of this would be simple. After the whole server move debate it has been made clear that not much about the game is simple. These mog house changes would be great though and there are a lot of us that would really appreciate it.

[annewandering]

You know what would be cool is to add a whole new craft to the game. Building Contractors/Interior Decorators. I just know that the old school kill everything in sight gamers might not like the concept but this game is great in that it adds so much depth to the civilization.
This would be one more great addition and a whole new direction of thought and skills.

[breau]

I have 80 storage too, it's not about that. I want to collect many more things for my mog house to display and decorate with to be honest! Keep in mind. I have 80 storage with my mog safe still being just 30! (Anyone wanna lend me expansion beds and items on Quetzalcotl? xD)

This is made to be aesthetically pleasing to make your house a home!

lol i would lend you bed if poss, but badly i´m on alexander^^
and yes i would love a bigger home too, many people seen my treasure hole got "wwoooow" and i would love to have a home, not only treasure hole^^
/jobemote rdm
breau, alexander/bastok

[breau]

i thaught it over, what about putting skins in front of fire place to sit on? like ram skin maybe or ice bear skin^^
and i did spend time in my mh just sitting there with friends and chat, and i would love to invite friends just to sit there, drink coffee, have some cake or cookies and talk about plans we making for doing nm or bcnm, rank fight or whatever^^
breau, alexander/bastok
p.s. everybody who wants to visit me is invited heartily^^

[Penance]

What id like more is an ls Mog house or room then one for myself. It was in the .HACK series and i kind of liked the idea even though it wasnt a real online game.

[breau]

What id like more is an ls Mog house or room then one for myself. It was in the .HACK series and i kind of liked the idea even though it wasnt a real online game.

thats a really good idea, i would love that one too, than we could put our low level equip there to use for entire ls, awesome
breau, alexander/bastok

[annewandering]

Breau, I really like the low level equip sharing idea! I was in a LS once that had the idea of a low level equip bank. He, Aurridaur, set up a character for that but I am not sure how it all turned out since, sadly, we are not friends anymore. How much easier to have as LS house to share certain items!
SE did play with an idea that could be core for that. Remember that party room in Whitegate? Maybe it could be the core for the LS mog but instanced with storage, etc for each LS.

[breau]

Breau, I really like the low level equip sharing idea! I was in a LS once that had the idea of a low level equip bank. He, Aurridaur, set up a character for that but I am not sure how it all turned out since, sadly, we are not friends anymore. How much easier to have as LS house to share certain items!
SE did play with an idea that could be core for that. Remember that party room in Whitegate? Maybe it could be the core for the LS mog but instanced with storage, etc for each LS.

smile nice, i never seen a party room in wg, maybe i missed it cause i´m not playing long enough? or i missed cause sometimes i´m blonde countryside girl^^
however
/jobemote rdm
breau, alexander/bastok

[Savannah]

I like the idea...but i'm thinking ps2 limitations sadly~

[annewandering]

oh pft ps2 limits. lol.
Yes there is a party room or meeting room in Whitegate. Its close to the evil Cat lady who gives out missions.
You have to schedule a time for it. Inside you can buy party things like fireworks and food.
It has possibilites but I dont think it progressed past very basic.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

oh pft ps2 limits. lol.
Yes there is a party room or meeting room in Whitegate. Its close to the evil Cat lady who gives out missions.I'll be the one behind her with my hand on her... well the ToS wont let me say more.

[Tingle]

A real house would be lovely. It would be great if we could expand it, maybe add a new big fountain in the middle. A second floor wouldn't hurt. I want to make my house somewhere my entire LS can come and relax when we're not adventuring!

[annewandering]

I am thinking that what we want is to be able to have more use of private spaces for our own creativity and LS/friends. SE has done a lot with jobs and areas to exp in but now it is time to expand other aspects of the explorers life. We may not spend a lot of time in mogs now but why should we? What is there to draw us to it? Other than crafting and gardening.

[breau]

oh pft ps2 limits. lol.
Yes there is a party room or meeting room in Whitegate. Its close to the evil Cat lady who gives out missions.
You have to schedule a time for it. Inside you can buy party things like fireworks and food.
It has possibilites but I dont think it progressed past very basic.

smile thanks i´ll check whenever we are back, and i´ll invite everybody as soon i can to celebrate the good news that japan almost solved his probs, what being able to log in would mean, and that is the real thing we have to celebrate than:
people almost safe and situation nearly under control and on way back to normal, may god bless all of you
breau, alexander/bastok

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I kind of want to cram a whole alliance into my MH now.

[annewandering]

I kind of want to cram a whole alliance into my MH now.

lol brings back the 60's to me with all the volkswagon stuffing!!

[Wibbly]

What id like more is an ls Mog house or room then one for myself. It was in the .HACK series and i kind of liked the idea even though it wasnt a real online game.


Guild Mog houses sound neato! But we are getting a bit off topic.


The primary purpose of this thread is one step at a time, and step one is getting a concept together for expanding personal mog houses first, then we could move on to new threads about LS mog houses!

[annewandering]

Guild Mog houses sound neato! But we are getting a bit off topic.


The primary purpose of this thread is one step at a time, and step one is getting a concept together for expanding personal mog houses first, then we could move on to new threads about LS mog houses!

True. :D I remember something once on this idea about chocobos being included. Maybe an attached stable? lol I dont remember but it did include moghouse and chocos.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So for the first magian trial, you'll have to obtain 30 rare/ex, non-stackable carpet fibers that are a 2% drop only off of Tiamat and in the end you get a new rug.

[annewandering]

So for the first magian trial, you'll have to obtain 30 rare/ex, non-stackable carpet fibers that are a 2% drop only off of Tiamat and in the end you get a new rug.


Cloth crafters could do rugs easy! And no synergy involved please.

[Wibbly]

We're flying off target again! xD


But back on track, we still need to poke a mod! Someone with connections or clout to tell us if we're aiming the right direction and can offer advice!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

We're flying off target again! xD


But back on track, we still need to poke a mod! Someone with connections or clout to tell us if we're aiming the right direction and can offer advice!Unfortunately concidering SE's track record, my example might not be far off.

[annewandering]

There are a lot of aspects and possibilites for mog houses.
How many rooms?
How to deal with mog enhancements.
Inventory aspects.
What changes in how and what kind of furnishings.
Would some rooms have specific uses such as crafting, gardening etc.
Would all be accessible by friends?
Could a form of inventory be accessible by a community of friends/LS's.
Would all rooms have to have most of the center taken by moogle or some other reason we wouldnt be able to use all the room.
Could the rooms be 'painted'
Could rent a rooms be redecorated to more personalized Mog house styles?
Could we have windows or maybe a balcony?
Would each mog house be constructed the same or could they be more individualized?
Would the mog come free or would there be quests etc to expand to other rooms?

[HFX7686]

I just want a separate inventory of 80 (or quested up to 80) for furnishings in the mog house menu so I can put lots of pretty furniture in there.

[Wibbly]

There are a lot of aspects and possibilites for mog houses.
How many rooms?
How to deal with mog enhancements.
Inventory aspects.
What changes in how and what kind of furnishings.
Would some rooms have specific uses such as crafting, gardening etc.
Would all be accessible by friends?
Could a form of inventory be accessible by a community of friends/LS's.
Would all rooms have to have most of the center taken by moogle or some other reason we wouldnt be able to use all the room.
Could the rooms be 'painted'
Could rent a rooms be redecorated to more personalized Mog house styles?
Could we have windows or maybe a balcony?
Would each mog house be constructed the same or could they be more individualized?
Would the mog come free or would there be quests etc to expand to other rooms?


Thank you for the excellent summary! Indeed there are a lot of factors to get involved with, and maybe even have drawn! Coming to a consensus on this makes things easier.


I just want a separate inventory of 80 (or quested up to 80) for furnishings in the mog house menu so I can put lots of pretty furniture in there.

Also a fair point, but these days we have the mog satchel and sack to keep our items accessible even in far away places. Our Mog safe IS our home inventory for furniture, and our storage IS our closet.

But it raises a fair point... If my moogle can teleport home from my rent-a-room to tend to my plants, why can't he teleport back to get me things from my storage. =n=;;

[Limecat]

I just want a separate inventory of 80 (or quested up to 80) for furnishings in the mog house menu so I can put lots of pretty furniture in there.

I'll second that, it's something I've wanted for years; a furniture-only inventory so I'm not burning precious safe slots on the pieces for my layout.

[Chronofantasy]

Maybe if they expand mog houses a new craft skill can be add for either construction or carpentry or something like those sorts.

[annewandering]

Maybe if they expand mog houses a new craft skill can be add for either construction or carpentry or something like those sorts.

This is something I have wondered too. Originally I took up WW to make furniture for my mog. It would be fun to expand and add a craft specifically for Mog design or construction.

[Wibbly]

This is something I have wondered too. Originally I took up WW to make furniture for my mog. It would be fun to expand and add a craft specifically for Mog design or construction.

So that instead of exorbetant amounts of lumber and materials you can buy typical amounts of it, then use said skills to make framework and additions items to make your home bigger for the quest. Makes the process a lot easier...


Sounds like a plan! But to be honest they'd probably dumb it down to woodworking and metalworking. :0 That wouldn't be so bad either.

[Wibbly]

I'll try to write up a full summary of the things we've discussed in here and post it in due time. Let's get this into proper gear. :D

[Wibbly]

Mog House Expansion

A simplified version, 1.0



1: Requirements for Expanding One's home.

Mog house expansions will require certain criteria to be met in one's adventuring lifestyle to spur a moogle into thinking that a bigger home might be required to live comfortably. These criteria, so far, include but are not limited to:

1: Having enough furniture to maximize one's storage capacity in their home.
2: Having enough possessions to fill this storage to it's capacity of 80 items.
3: Having the sufficient ranks of either 6 or 10 in their home nations.

Believably, these conditions can be met at any time, but being sequential would be preferred for simplicity.

The first upgrade would add an additional room on either the side, or back of your mog house respective of the limitations of your home nations architecture.

The second upgrade would do the same thing as the first upgrade, still limited by the requirements of the homes architecture, and add an identical room.

The third upgrade would add a loft above the main floor of the mog houses first floor, and place stairs leading from the back of the room to the loft. This is easier due to the fact that most mog houses have areas in the rear of the room that cannot have furniture placed in them lest they obstruct the houses primary decoration.

Each upgrade would require:

1: A sum of gil to handle the expenses and labor involved in expanding the home.
2: Framework items (created through woodworking or metalworking), as well as certain "flavor" items to assist in it's construction.
3: (Optional) Completion of a quest to find proper labor, or rare items required in the upgrades.
4: The appropriate conditions met including rank.


2: The Process. (Off the cuff)

First Upgrade: When a persons storage is maximized and filled their moogle would express that the current space in their home seems to be cluttered and messy, and yet there is no more space to put things away, and throwing them out would probably upset you. But then at that point the solution becomes clear! More space to store your things!
Knowing you're busy with your work, the moogle offers the knowledge that he knows members of the local guilds that would be willing to work in expanding your home for a fair price, so long as you can also provide the materials. If you agree the space is needed, he'll give you a list of materials needed.
Upon completion and delivery of the items required the moogle will joyfully accept the task of delivering them to the guild workers and getting the process started. After one full week (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you) the expansion will be completed, much to your moogle's, and your storage space's, delight.


Second Upgrade: The demeanor of your neighbors are changing. After obtaining rank 6 and defeating the Shadow Lord people are clamoring at your accomplishments and lauding you with various gifts. The only trouble is your moogle is having trouble accepting them due to the fact that your home cannot accommodate all of them! Not to mention to do so without throwing out your various treasures and possessions! The time has once again come that you may need to start thinking about where to put all your possessions.
If you agree, the moogle once again hands you a list of materials needed to be obtained, this time more sturdy materials, perhaps even rarer materials. He would obtain them himself on your orders if he wasn't busy tending to the needs of the home while you were away! After completing and delivering the list to your moogle he'll get the ball rolling. After one full week (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you) your house will once again have it's expansion completed!


Third Upgrade: You've finally done it. Not only have you become a true hero to your nation, you've caught the eyes of your admirers, and your nations leader, whether they be the Star Sibyl, King, or President. Your moogle has received a letter from them saying how much they truly appreciate your work, and that they feel a hero should be properly recognized by the nation they live in, by the house that they live in.
Providing you with a list of materials needed for the expansion the moogle asks if you want to accept this gift from your nation. If you agree then all that remains is to collect the necessary things. Once you complete the list, you realize that your nation is fronting the bill! Your moogle says the materials will be delivered shortly and work will begin quickly! Everyone wants to be able to work for a hero! After two full weeks (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you again) the expansion will be completed, and your mog house fully upgraded!


3: The Optional Stuff (not necessarily included)

1: Furniture Storage: Your home has become so large and filled with things your poor moogles wings are having trouble holding up all the heavy objects in his bags, magical or not! They suggest it might be an excellent idea to consider more permanent solutions to where you're going to store your furniture in the future!

2: The Balcony or Greenhouse: While your moogle might have a green thumb the likes of which no other moogle can compare to, the plants you're trying to grow might want more sunlight to help them grow big and strong! This might be a good excuse to add an exterior expansion to your mog house, even if it comes included in the final expansion of your mog house.


4: What Else? (Things maybe not even in this project)

1: Split Elements: "The fire element in your main room is fizzling out the ice element in your second room, which is in turn getting harassed by your water element in the third! I think it might be a fair idea to keep them separated!" says your flustered moogle as they try to manage your home. But hey, that's what magic is for! Keeping the elements in your home split apart would not only impart you with a more balanced strategy for how your furniture is placed out, but where it is placed out to provide you with the bonuses you need, where you need them. And more so, no more puddles randomly appearing in your home!

[Raka]

I may have put this in a lot of times over the years, but let me give it another shot!

You're an adventurer that has seen the world, fought terrible monsters, helped your nations again and again and become beloved by it's citizens. You've grown in rank and status and become a true hero. You've seen the highest and lowest points of everything in your grand journey. You've collected treasures and baubles and armors and weapons the world could only dream of laying their hands on!


And you keep it all in boxes and out of sight in a tiny studio apartment shared with your cuddly servant.

Err... Yeah. So we come to expandable mog houses! If you can carry an invisible bag full of items and pay a goblin who can amazingly work on a bag you never hold or see and "fix" it for you, why not pay and supply items to make your home nations house bigger so you can start showing off your rank, power, fortune and station in life? More spots to show your collectibles, properly organize them into rooms, and finally have your bedroom and place to change away from the prying eyes of your moogle!

I think it would be as simple as making the environments, then making them available through rank, fame, and getting supplies for a quest! Then waiting days or a week or some such for the work to be finished and have a larger home, a brand new wing room, maybe even a loft with stairs leading to it or something.

Imagine how happy your moogle will be that he can finally stretch his legs in your now well sized home~!

And imagine his melancholy when he realizes he also has to keep cleaning it for you!


Every person I speak this two comes back and says the same thing. "Yeah! That's a great idea!" So what do you guys say??

:D

I would like a pool to drown my Moogle in 'cause all he does is mooch off my hard earned gil. <sigh...>

[Wibbly]

I would like a pool to drown my Moogle in 'cause all he does is mooch off my hard earned gil. <sigh...>



No no! They take care of our homes and our plants and our possessions and our mail and they most certainly do not mooch! Hard working moogles deserve big homes too! :3

[Raka]

No no! They take care of our homes and our plants and our possessions and our mail and they most certainly do not mooch! Hard working moogles deserve big homes too! :3

But my Moogle doesn't. He "loses" my gil that is sent to my Delivery Box...or so he says. c.c I know different though!

[Wibbly]

But my Moogle doesn't. He "loses" my gil that is sent to my Delivery Box...or so he says. c.c I know different though!

Do what I do. o-o Silently off them and resurrect them into unthinking zombie minions that do your bidding in the most mannerly way possible.

<_< I... I mean... >_>

Treat them well. <3

[Tsukino_Kaji]

But my Moogle doesn't. He "loses" my gil that is sent to my Delivery Box...or so he says. c.c I know different though!I sac... donated my moogle to the great lord Nryalathotep for study.

[Wibbly]

Once again I believe we might be off track a bit here... xD

We can start another thread based on the (mis)reatment of our moogles at another time.

Does anyone have an opinion on my summary earlier?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Once again I believe we might be off track a bit here... xD

We can start another thread based on the (mis)reatment of our moogles at another time.

Does anyone have an opinion on my summary earlier?Can I get it on tape or cliff's notes?

[Wibbly]

Can I get it on tape or cliff's notes?

If you pay me. o-o

I poked a guy on the forums here who seems to have a talent for drawing in hopes he could assist us with making the summary more complete.

We still need a mod to wander through.. One of the community team members.

[Wibbly]

*Prods thread*

[kingfury]

Hey Wibbly ^^/wave I had to take this all in to get a full understanding of what I would be illustrating! I think a lot of folks did a great job visually detailing the kinds of things one would see in these luxuriously expanded Mog Houses though, so I have enough material to produce some cool images ^^.
I'll try my best to bring to life this cool concept :)
(p.s. thanks for considering me for the task :D )

[Wibbly]

Hey Wibbly ^^/wave I had to take this all in to get a full understanding of what I would be illustrating! I think a lot of folks did a great job visually detailing the kinds of things one would see in these luxuriously expanded Mog Houses though, so I have enough material to produce some cool images ^^.
I'll try my best to bring to life this cool concept :)
(p.s. thanks for considering me for the task :D )

You did such an excellent job on your own thread how could I not ask! You should contact me so we can more readily discuss these things together. Have skype? MSN messenger? :D

[kingfury]

You did such an excellent job on your own thread how could I not ask! You should contact me so we can more readily discuss these things together. Have skype? MSN messenger? :D
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Thanks ^^; and nah, I've never used either of those (skype, MSN messenger) I'll have to dig up some home images for some inspiration lol I usually only draw characters and try to avoid architecture when at all possible >< lol But I never back down from a challenge :)

[Wibbly]

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Thanks ^^; and nah, I've never used either of those (skype, MSN messenger) I'll have to dig up some home images for some inspiration lol I usually only draw characters and try to avoid architecture when at all possible >< lol But I never back down from a challenge :)

Well I'm sure if you read the summary you'll get cute ideas for it! Though I wouldn't be objecting if the character in your illustrations was a mithra....


Heeeeee.... <.< >.>

[annewandering]

Old lady taru~~~ cant have grammas stuck in industrial studio homes can you?

[Wibbly]

Old lady taru~~~ cant have grammas stuck in industrial studio homes can you?

>;/ Stairs would hurt their back. *Pushes back to the home*

[Dallas]

Before they do this, I want to be able to sit down on chairs.

[Saerun]

Before they do this, I want to be able to sit down on chairs.

Agreed! Let me sit in a chair and on my bed, and I'll be happy.

[Wibbly]

One thing at a time!

>x3

I've expressed again and again this thread is about mog house expansion! Once that's conceptualized and agreed upon then we could move on to other things!

[Penance]

I want to be able to sleep in my bed... Why do i even have one??

Sorry wibbly did that on purpose :)

Anyways I think by making a ls (mog)house it would be possible to have your own rooms and decorate your own , if not other group rooms. I guess thats all wishfull thinking though, a bigger moghouse probably seems more reasonable.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I always thought my mog house was kind of small :\

Would be nice if there was more space to put out furniture.. you had a separate storage allocation to decorate your mog house

[annewandering]

I think a game room in the mog would be nice. We could go there and play solitair farmville etc.

[Wibbly]

._. Honestly if this happens I'm sticking storage in one room, fish tanks in the other, bulk in the main room, and "personal" items in the loft...

It's fun to imagine. :3

[Sesono]

I want a Balkony too ... imagine, right in front of a small lake where you see birds and trees ..wouldnt this be sweet? (for windy) Or with a view on an Oasis (in Bastok), with a forrest and a small river (sandy)...
Or a Terrace ..something where you can relax..you know.

[Wibbly]

I want a Balkony too ... imagine, right in front of a small lake where you see birds and trees ..wouldnt this be sweet? (for windy) Or with a view on an Oasis (in Bastok), with a forrest and a small river (sandy)...
Or a Terrace ..something where you can relax..you know.

More likely would be a street view of the city you're staying in. I like your idea, but maybe it should suit the situation. Heck, maybe see NPC's wandering through the streets. It'd be a neat touch.

[Sesono]

Well a Balkony behind your MH dont have to be in the middle of your City or in that direction - i was more thinking about the connected areas.

[breau]

smile it would be nice wherever it is
breau, alexander/bastok

[Kamea]

What they need to do is not have equipped items take up inventory space. I'm wearing it... it shouldn't STILL be in my bags, it's ON ME.

[Dallas]

One thing at a time!


I understand, completely! That's why I said "before." I don't want more stuff I can't interact with.

^^

[kingfury]

Well I'm sure if you read the summary you'll get cute ideas for it! Though I wouldn't be objecting if the character in your illustrations was a mithra....
Heeeeee.... <.< >.>
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/stagger lol I must say that there was no fast way to do this pic ><; I now remember why I keep my distance from architecture and buildings in my art lol
Anywho, I hope this paints a decent picture of the concepts ^^/ There would be many different ways to show these great concepts, but I'd prolly do them one room at a time from now on! lol
>Expanded Mog Houses< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-Web.jpg).... /Kingfury draws numerous sqiggly lines to relax his brain from all those straight lines ~.~ :)

[Wibbly]

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/stagger lol I must say that there was no fast way to do this pic ><; I now remember why I keep my distance from architecture and buildings in my art lol
Anywho, I hope this paints a decent picture of the concepts ^^/ There would be many different ways to show these great concepts, but I'd prolly do them one room at a time from now on! lol
>Expanded Mog Houses< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-Web.jpg).... /Kingfury draws numerous sqiggly lines to relax his brain from all those straight lines ~.~ :)

:0 Oh man! That looks spectacular! And the little foreman moogle is adorable!

Any further pictures added to the project would be greatly appreciated! :D

[Wibbly]

Mog House Expansion

>Expanded Mog Houses< (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-Web.jpg)

A simplified version, 1.1



1: Requirements for Expanding One's home.

Mog house expansions will require certain criteria to be met in one's adventuring lifestyle to spur a moogle into thinking that a bigger home might be required to live comfortably. These criteria, so far, include but are not limited to:

1: Having enough furniture to maximize one's storage capacity in their home.
2: Having enough possessions to fill this storage to it's capacity of 80 items.
3: Having the sufficient ranks of either 6 or 10 in their home nations.

Believably, these conditions can be met at any time, but being sequential would be preferred for simplicity.

The first upgrade would add an additional room on either the side, or back of your mog house respective of the limitations of your home nations architecture.

The second upgrade would do the same thing as the first upgrade, still limited by the requirements of the homes architecture, and add an identical room.

The third upgrade would add a loft above the main floor of the mog houses first floor, and place stairs leading from the back of the room to the loft. This is easier due to the fact that most mog houses have areas in the rear of the room that cannot have furniture placed in them lest they obstruct the houses primary decoration.

Each upgrade would require:

1: A sum of gil to handle the expenses and labor involved in expanding the home.
2: Framework items (created through woodworking or metalworking), as well as certain "flavor" items to assist in it's construction.
3: (Optional) Completion of a quest to find proper labor, or rare items required in the upgrades.
4: The appropriate conditions met including rank.


2: The Process. (Off the cuff)

First Upgrade: When a persons storage is maximized and filled their moogle would express that the current space in their home seems to be cluttered and messy, and yet there is no more space to put things away, and throwing them out would probably upset you. But then at that point the solution becomes clear! More space to store your things!
Knowing you're busy with your work, the moogle offers the knowledge that he knows members of the local guilds that would be willing to work in expanding your home for a fair price, so long as you can also provide the materials. If you agree the space is needed, he'll give you a list of materials needed.
Upon completion and delivery of the items required the moogle will joyfully accept the task of delivering them to the guild workers and getting the process started. After one full week (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you) the expansion will be completed, much to your moogle's, and your storage space's, delight.


Second Upgrade: The demeanor of your neighbors are changing. After obtaining rank 6 and defeating the Shadow Lord people are clamoring at your accomplishments and lauding you with various gifts. The only trouble is your moogle is having trouble accepting them due to the fact that your home cannot accommodate all of them! Not to mention to do so without throwing out your various treasures and possessions! The time has once again come that you may need to start thinking about where to put all your possessions.
If you agree, the moogle once again hands you a list of materials needed to be obtained, this time more sturdy materials, perhaps even rarer materials. He would obtain them himself on your orders if he wasn't busy tending to the needs of the home while you were away! After completing and delivering the list to your moogle he'll get the ball rolling. After one full week (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you) your house will once again have it's expansion completed!


Third Upgrade: You've finally done it. Not only have you become a true hero to your nation, you've caught the eyes of your admirers, and your nations leader, whether they be the Star Sibyl, King, or President. Your moogle has received a letter from them saying how much they truly appreciate your work, and that they feel a hero should be properly recognized by the nation they live in, by the house that they live in.
Providing you with a list of materials needed for the expansion the moogle asks if you want to accept this gift from your nation. If you agree then all that remains is to collect the necessary things. Once you complete the list, you realize that your nation is fronting the bill! Your moogle says the materials will be delivered shortly and work will begin quickly! Everyone wants to be able to work for a hero! After two full weeks (or conquest tally or server maintenence or what have you again) the expansion will be completed, and your mog house fully upgraded!


3: The Optional Stuff (not necessarily included)

1: Furniture Storage: Your home has become so large and filled with things your poor moogles wings are having trouble holding up all the heavy objects in his bags, magical or not! They suggest it might be an excellent idea to consider more permanent solutions to where you're going to store your furniture in the future!

2: The Balcony or Greenhouse: While your moogle might have a green thumb the likes of which no other moogle can compare to, the plants you're trying to grow might want more sunlight to help them grow big and strong! This might be a good excuse to add an exterior expansion to your mog house, even if it comes included in the final expansion of your mog house.


4: What Else? (Things maybe not even in this project)

1: Split Elements: "The fire element in your main room is fizzling out the ice element in your second room, which is in turn getting harassed by your water element in the third! I think it might be a fair idea to keep them separated!" says your flustered moogle as they try to manage your home. But hey, that's what magic is for! Keeping the elements in your home split apart would not only impart you with a more balanced strategy for how your furniture is placed out, but where it is placed out to provide you with the bonuses you need, where you need them. And more so, no more puddles randomly appearing in your home!

2: Usable Furniture: Multiple animations have been added to allow NPC's to enjoy their environments, so why shouldn't PC's be able to as well? Allowing use of your furniture adds one, notably comfortable, layer to the uses of the furniture you purchase for your home. Sit down to meetings with your LS by actually sitting down to a meeting! Feed your fish tanks! Take a cat nap in your arm chair next to the fire.

[kingfury]

:0 Oh man! That looks spectacular! And the little foreman moogle is adorable!
Any further pictures added to the project would be greatly appreciated! :D
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Glad you like it ^^ / I didn't think you'd be awake at this hour, but I'm glad I got your feedback on it before I hit the sack lol I think I'd like to show the whole balcony scene at least, but I'd have to go back through to recall what the post said exactly :)

[Wibbly]

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Glad you like it ^^ / I didn't think you'd be awake at this hour, but I'm glad I got your feedback on it before I hit the sack lol I think I'd like to show the whole balcony scene at least, but I'd have to go back through to recall what the post said exactly :)

Undecided really! Could be a street view of the city you're in. Could be the outlying areas. Honestly wouldn't be objected to either. I think we'd just need to impress the dev team with the ideas!


Annnnd I'm always up at these times. I'm actually a night worker and with the down time there's nothing to do to entertain myself other than random ideas. :3

Keep up the good work honey!

[kingfury]

Undecided really! Could be a street view of the city you're in. Could be the outlying areas. Honestly wouldn't be objected to either. I think we'd just need to impress the dev team with the ideas!
Annnnd I'm always up at these times. I'm actually a night worker and with the down time there's nothing to do to entertain myself other than random ideas. :3
Keep up the good work honey!
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Great work on the revised post ^^/ Oh and I've got to give ya a shot of someone "Sitting/Relaxing on a BED!" lol

[Wibbly]

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Great work on the revised post ^^/ Oh and I've got to give ya a shot of someone "Sitting/Relaxing on a BED!" lol

Not someone. Your moogle. I can only imagine my moogle doing weird things when I'm away adventuring...

[kingfury]

Not someone. Your moogle. I can only imagine my moogle doing weird things when I'm away adventuring...
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lol Moogle party at your house!! :D

[Wibbly]

Take your time! ^^ No rush. I'll find where to stick them into the guide and then update my post on the first page to display them proudly once we're all finished. :D Any more input would be great too! I think we have a good idea of what expansions would be like and maybe some of the perks coinciding with them.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Let's just hope that when SE dose accept it, we wont have to kill AV 400 times just to get a carpet. ^^

[Raka]

Let's just hope that when SE dose accept it, we wont have to kill AV 400 times just to get a carpet. ^^

Way to spoil the fun, that's the whole idea! Kill Absolute Virtue 400 times and Pandemonium Warden 500 times!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Pandemonium Warden 500 times!Per room you are adding.

[Wibbly]

Or here's an idea...

<_<; Let's build them from brick and wood?

[Raka]

Or here's an idea...

<_<; Let's build them from brick and wood?

Sticks and Mud onry~!

[kingfury]

Take your time! ^^ No rush. I'll find where to stick them into the guide and then update my post on the first page to display them proudly once we're all finished. :D Any more input would be great too! I think we have a good idea of what expansions would be like and maybe some of the perks coinciding with them.
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It'd be good to post your revised version on the OP now and just edit that so folks get a good feel for what you're thinking about right away ^^ Trust me, the ideas will just keep pouring in lol And you can always just link things from the OP to other post once the OP character limit is reached.

[Wibbly]

Every mmo I played has houses where they are a million times bigger then FFXI's, excluding wow, they dint have houses.

But this would be nice to do, I want to shove all my event crap into the house and be able to still put in my crafting crap too. and a way to switch off mog enhancments from items I dont want to give, but want to see the pretty item.

I agree with OP so /signed.

The idea of the mog house was a stand by zone. A check point. A place to get your priorities straight and add effects to your game. It could be called a mog base instead. Make it more of a home and you get the right feeling. Make it EXORBITANTLY HUGE and it takes away from the sense of awe you get from actually big and nice places like the chateau in Sandy.

Bigger, not humongous. Good moderation, you know? So in this way it's a -good- thing that mog houses were made small.

Because now they would be small to -begin- with instead. Humbles you, you know?

[Rowena]

I would *love* a larger Mog House! There's so much neat furniture that you can get (and I already have a lot) not to mention seasonal decorations. I don't have enough room for all that I have/would like to have in my MH now. Not to mention for me at least it's almost hopeless to try and get moghancements that benefit me because I have too much mix & matched elements and furniture and I feel like it's a waste to have the furniture and not put it out. I really hope they'll consider this, if only adding at one more room to the MH or at least a way to separate or select which furnishings you want active.

[Nathen]

I endorse this complete, i have always wanted an increased size of a mog house. In fact that was what i expected FFXIV to have to much disappointment. I enjoy having my own place and to have a tiny tiny room is annoying. I would like it to actually be a house.

[annewandering]

it is encouraging to see so much interest in this idea. I went into ww not for gil or making gear etc. i was hooked the minute i saw you could make furniture.
maybe its sexist but maybe its something that the dev could consider for the female players. the more the game is expanded to be something more than fight after fight after fight the broader the player base could be. i really do think it would pay for se to do more in this area.

[Nathen]

I brought my ww up to level 83 just to make furniture then realized how hard it was to skillup past 80, still do it when i have extra gil. I have mad about 18 hobby-bo's for friends though =D

[Anela]

WOW!
I haven't checked this thread for a few days. You have done awesome work fleshing this out from an idea to full concept. Good Work!
I supported the idea all along, now it actually has the possibility of happening. I hope a MOD does pass this on to DEV.

[Coldbrand]

it is encouraging to see so much interest in this idea. I went into ww not for gil or making gear etc. i was hooked the minute i saw you could make furniture.
maybe its sexist but maybe its something that the dev could consider for the female players. the more the game is expanded to be something more than fight after fight after fight the broader the player base could be. i really do think it would pay for se to do more in this area.
I agree it's something they could pitch to the female playerbase but I'm a guy and I love decking out my MH too.

[Anela]

I have a suggestion that might help on other areas also. It refines the OP's current summary just a little bit.

I have seen many posts about various ideas to bring people back to the older parts of the game. SE put a lot of effort, in the past, into developing the various story lines and expansions, so incorperate them into the Mog House expansion process.

Make the Mog House expanions only available after completing each of the various story lines. Each story line has a different expansion associated with it.

For example: Attain Rank 10 in Sandoria, and the next time you zone into your MH, your Mog tells you that you are eligable to expand a specific portion of your Mog House. (per the guidelines/requirement mentioned in the OP's summary. Materials, gil, a misc quest, minimum reputation in that area, etc.)

Each Rank 10, or story line completion makes you eligable to expand another specific portion of the house, or attain one of the effects discussed. (separating moghancement effects in different rooms for example)

This would give people the motivation to complete all of these various story lines and quests. For those that have already finished a particular line, speaking to the final NPC in the line, again, would trigger the Mog notice. Or Zoning into the MH, in a nation you got Rank 10 and moved on, would do the same thing.

For those that have finished all of them in the past, this would be additional recognition of their effort, and for those starting out, it would give them something besides lvl 90(99) to work towards.

The amount of MH expansions you get would depend entirely on you. If you are only interested in Gardening for example, you only would need to do the story line that gave you a "Green House" expansion.

I know they are already doing this with the synthetic Atma, but this would add incentive.

[Wibbly]

I have a suggestion that might help on other areas also. It refines the OP's current summary just a little bit.

I have seen many posts about various ideas to bring people back to the older parts of the game. SE put a lot of effort, in the past, into developing the various story lines and expansions, so incorperate them into the Mog House expansion process.

Make the Mog House expanions only available after completing each of the various story lines. Each story line has a different expansion associated with it.

For example: Attain Rank 10 in Sandoria, and the next time you zone into your MH, your Mog tells you that you are eligable to expand a specific portion of your Mog House. (per the guidelines/requirement mentioned in the OP's summary. Materials, gil, a misc quest, minimum reputation in that area, etc.)

Each Rank 10, or story line completion makes you eligable to expand another specific portion of the house, or attain one of the effects discussed. (separating moghancement effects in different rooms for example)

This would give people the motivation to complete all of these various story lines and quests. For those that have already finished a particular line, speaking to the final NPC in the line, again, would trigger the Mog notice. Or Zoning into the MH, in a nation you got Rank 10 and moved on, would do the same thing.

For those that have finished all of them in the past, this would be additional recognition of their effort, and for those starting out, it would give them something besides lvl 90(99) to work towards.

The amount of MH expansions you get would depend entirely on you. If you are only interested in Gardening for example, you only would need to do the story line that gave you a "Green House" expansion.

I know they are already doing this with the synthetic Atma, but this would add incentive.

Hmmm... A strong idea! A noble one too! I like this idea! It even adds a bit of flavor to the house. Perhaps... Let me see if I can say this correctly.

Expansion "one" would be purely size of your home, maybe rooms. This would just be the Zilart missions for each Primary nation, Sandy Windy and Basty... Most higher level players have rank 10 in all nations (for what I can't imagine personally) but this would also give you reason to change nations, complete the missions, and expand your home.

Expansion "two" would be, Iunno, the CoP missions. At the end of which you split your rooms of your Moghouse into sections, each gaining it's own kupower from elements. Instead of one base bonus from your home, you gain multiples. Like super Kupowers out in the field.

Expansion "three" and "four" for the Aht Urghan and WotG escape me however... The balcony? The greenhouse idea? A basement level? Afraid it's difficult to say! I've never been rank 10 in any nation at all yet. Ideas? :3

Do keep in mind we need to make this as straight forwards as possible. Planning these expansions, quests, everything involved might put a choke hold on SE, or it might give them everything they need. It's a two-way street. Talking it out like this is good and all, but unless someone takes interest in SE (which they haven't for going on six years now or so since I first introduced the idea) then we're just walking in circles.


So if you know or see a mod floating around the forums, give them a poke and a link and get them to come here!

Once I get feedback on this post and a stronger idea I'll revise the summary again to reflect it. Keep up the good conversation!

EDIT: I might be gas-bagging, but the zilart missions ARE the nation missions correct, or am I shooting in the dark? If not then whatever, slip of the tongue.

[Wibbly]

ANY MODS SEEN THIS YET? D:

[Camate]

Thanks for the feedback! There are definitely a lot of cool ideas getting tossed around here. It would be rather difficult to expand our current mog houses, however, I will escalate this to the development team so they can look in to it.

If you have any other ideas on the subject, as always, please don’t hesitate to share!

[kingfury]

Thanks for the feedback! There are definitely a lot of cool ideas getting tossed around here. It would be rather difficult to expand our current mog houses, however, I will escalate this to the development team so they can look in to it.
If you have any other ideas on the subject, as always, please don’t hesitate to share!
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SCORE!! ^^/ And again it's Camate with the coolness to take time out and be the messenger! Very cool of you Camate /salute

"Difficult" only equates to a challenge that can be overcome with determination, diligence and hard work! At least you didn't say "Impossible" :)

[Wibbly]

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SCORE!! ^^/ And again it's Camate with the coolness to take time out and be the messenger! Very cool of you Camate /salute

"Difficult" only equates to a challenge that can be overcome with determination, diligence and hard work! At least you didn't say "Impossible" :)

I agree. ^^ Impossible is for suckers.

So now we come to the next part of our synopsis. None of us probably know what the development team needs to do to make this a reality, but if they need a brainstorming team to handle the mess, we're here to support them!

I'm still working on a new synopsis and it may take me a bit... So please be patient!

(By the way, nice sig King)

[Jackastheripper]

this is amazing!!! I would be happy with being able to hang more stuff on my walls, but a whole house expansion....BRILLIANT!!

[kingfury]

I agree. ^^ Impossible is for suckers.
So now we come to the next part of our synopsis. None of us probably know what the development team needs to do to make this a reality, but if they need a brainstorming team to handle the mess, we're here to support them!
I'm still working on a new synopsis and it may take me a bit... So please be patient!
(By the way, nice sig King)
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/hurray !! lol Don't forget to Edit the OP with your clean version of your proposal Wibbly so Folks can get the best 1st impression of what this concept has grown into ^^ Lets hope for good news from the Devs /crosses fingers

Thanks in regards to the sig ^^/

[Wibbly]

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/hurray !! lol Don't forget to Edit the OP with your clean version of your proposal Wibbly so Folks can get the best 1st impression of what this concept has grown into ^^ Lets hope for good news from the Devs /crosses fingers

Thanks in regards to the sig ^^/

Well don't forget what part you're playing in this as well! :D

[kingfury]

Well don't forget what part you're playing in this as well! :D
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/Kingfury holds up his pencil ^^/ lol

[VoiceMemo]

I for one would welcome an increase in moghouse size, at the moment my entire bank inventory is furniture 80/80 furniture. It's so cluttered with event furniture/other furniture that some of my friends that visit house, their computers lag to the amount of items it has to render.

I don't how hard it would be for SE, but my thought programming wise it shouldn't be that hard to just duplicate the moghouse for everyone.

For instance, you either talk to the moggle or the door to exit and there is another option, travel to floor/room 2, or 3, etc. In this way it is just the same mog house but 2 floors worth. You would only be able to view one floor/room at a time but would probably be possible under PS2 limiations since it is not altering the current moghouse in any way, just duplicating it, similar to how I suspect mog safe, satchel, and sack were added.

It would be the easy way out, rather than redesigning moghouse with doors that lead to other rooms, but at least it would increase the size of our moghouses to be able to display furniture.

[Neonii]

I read this thread with interest. I think this is the coolest idea ever and I hope folks are still reading it. I got to thinking why not use the format of the homes already in the cities? Bastok has nice examples in Port Bastok East of Warehouse 1. For Sandy the two story homes in Lion Square. Windy well maybe Ginger berry Grove Near the Federal Magic Reserve. For windy Thou they would have to remove all the Clutter and replace that big Stove thing in the middle with the Moggle. Also move the supports from the Middle of the floor to allow room for items. On the other Hand, Maybe re-work the windy home a little to allow two seperate rooms. Or base Windy homes on one of the Nicer Npc manor homes.

[kingfury]

Undecided really! Could be a street view of the city you're in. Could be the outlying areas. Honestly wouldn't be objected to either. I think we'd just need to impress the dev team with the ideas!
Annnnd I'm always up at these times. I'm actually a night worker and with the down time there's nothing to do to entertain myself other than random ideas. :3
Keep up the good work honey!
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Grrr I want to embed my images in my post dangit!! >< Bah, I'm working on this image Wibbly ^^ I'll post it soon for ya.

[Akujima]

Im glad there was some positive feedback from the dev's regarding a topic that is purely for fun and roleplaying.

Personally I would like more windows in my MH. It's a bit dark in there o_O...

[Panthera]

If there were any way of doing this, it would be great!

As someone who's leveled a few jobs, I've never had room for furnature or showing stuff off. My Mog House has always been functional, and there's never enough space no matter how many satchels, bags, backpacks, purses, and fanny packs we get. It be nice to be able to have a "home" i can show off.

[Octaviane]

Dear SE, please immediately hire Wibbly to your Development team.

Dear Wibbly, this is by far and away THE single most innovative, well thought out, well presented idea I have ever seen.:) Thank you!

Do you think it would be possible to add a furnishing like an armchair that we could actually sit in instead of the bare floor? This would be for the final enhancement of course.

[Wibbly]

Updated as of 5/24/2011.

:3

[Leonlionheart]

This is something I could get behind!

My mog house is much too small!

[Vazerus]

/like. I always thought it was stupid that we still had a small apartment after saving the world 3+ times. There just isn't enough room to put all our trinkets and furniture... I threw all my furniture away to get max gear storage :( (aside from that thing that gives ungodly storage, and w/e else to cap 80/80).

[Wibbly]

Well the added things section was mentioned by the players of the forum adding in their two cents...

To their credit, SE has tried to help us with our storage woes, satchel and sack, more gobby bag quests, etc. It's hard to give people storage for 20 jobs, all their extras, collectibles etc... But they are trying!

The added sections were for making the usage, efficiency, and space available for everything. When you have big stacks of books, you buy a book shelf. When you have a lot of potted plants, you get hanging planters, trough planters for several plants at once, or something similar to a bookshelf to put pots on top of one another.

I'm glad for the ideas, and they ARE good ideas, but seeing as this thread is specifically for the purpose of padding out an idea for making the moghouse bigger, that's the meat of the subject. Keeping people, and Dev team members, focused on one item in this thread.

The trouble encroaching us is this: How to make the time and effort to make us happy, worthwhile to SE and the Dev team who would likely work -very- hard on this.

That's why I think bringing back a payed service for old collectible furniture and cosmetic items, to fund a company picnic or day at an amusement park or something wouldn't be a poor idea. Then again they'd probably put that money into developing another 60 hour cutscene like FFXIII.... :P

All joking aside, all we need to do as players is figure out what we'd see as worthwhile, bounce it off the dev team how to make it worth their while, and coexist peacefully in the corniest way possible. It worked for things like Second Life, seeing as 90% of that entire system is created by the players rather than the creators. We'd just need to find a happy balance. We're all in this together right?


... Right? >.>

[Firebert_Lakshmi]

Best way to implement this would be to trade a bunch of fruit to a NPC raccoon until you have enough gil to pay off your debt. Then he'll expand your mog house and put you further into debt. Trade him more fruit and so on.

[Zyeriis]

Best way to implement this would be to trade a bunch of fruit to a NPC raccoon until you have enough gil to pay off your debt. Then he'll expand your mog house and put you further into debt. Trade him more fruit and so on.
Don't forget to buy stuff from him with the money you're supposed to be using to pay off that debt, to cram into the thing that caused the debt in the first place, so he can upgrade to a department store and sell you more things you don't need, furthering that ever so elusive goal of completely paying off said debt.

Also, go visit his identical brothers that live in every single town in the world and own various versions of the same store who provide said services to other unlucky saps known as mankind. Don't forget your axe! Nothing says hello like ruining some one else's orchard! That they subsequently use to gather the fruit they need to sell to the raccoon to pay off the debt they continually get themselves, unavoidably, into.

[Wibbly]

Har har... e.e

(Security, we've got some trouble makers...)

[azjazo]

What about having a roof in your MH that can serve as a dojo MMM style but with only one room and you will be sparring with a PC friend or your NPC fellow, you wont gain experience but can skillup!

[Wibbly]

What about having a roof in your MH that can serve as a dojo MMM style but with only one room and you will be sparring with a PC friend or your NPC fellow, you wont gain experience but can skillup!

Actually, if you refer to earlier in the thread Kingfury has a very well organized idea for the Gyms of Vanadiel. Click his profile and check the threads he's posted in.

:3

[Netheos]

/signed. As the dev said, there are some great ideas in here. You guys have been extremely creative and professional with your opinions. Not to mention that they would improve the game. Great job!

[kingfury]

Sorry for the wait Wibbly ^^; More to come! /salute Great job on the additional stuff to the post btw.
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2: The Balcony or Greenhouse: While your moogle might have a green thumb the likes of which no other moogle can compare to, the plants you're trying to grow might want more sunlight to help them grow big and strong! This might be a good excuse to add an exterior expansion to your mog house, even if it comes included in the final expansion of your mog house.
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-The Balcony or Greenhouse (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse--2-Web.jpg)

[kingfury]

And had to include the use of furniture ^^ /
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2: Usable Furniture: Multiple animations have been added to allow NPC's to enjoy their environments, so why shouldn't PC's be able to as well? Allowing use of your furniture adds one, notably comfortable, layer to the uses of the furniture you purchase for your home. Sit down to meetings with your LS by actually sitting down to a meeting! Feed your fish tanks! Take a cat nap in your arm chair next to the fire.
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-Usable Furniture (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-3-Web.jpg)

[Wibbly]

<3 Kingfury!


I really love your drawings!


Edited and added to OP.

[kingfury]

/kneel ^^ Thanks Wibbly, I'm glad you liked'em /salute

The simple yet awesomely cool things like sitting in chairs must be shown lol! Here's to hoping the Devs can bless us with chance to do so :D

[Wibbly]

The tiny crag in the fish tank made me laugh. Besides the mithra's expression anyhow.

[Misi]

Love the illustrations Kingfury, I hope someone on the team checks them out!

I was talking to LS mates a while back about MH stuff, I'd love to see the expanded houses for each nation and maybe the ability to have one in Jeuno ( or the style of the houses in upper Jeuno with multi rooms )

I also think an area like how chocobo circuit is set up would be amazing if it were an outside area for a small neighborhood maybe a few LS people in each one. Block party go! I'd like to see your house have a lawn for your raised chocobo, wyvern or carbuncle to idle in. Or a pet bed in your house where they can idle in. I always wonder where my pets go. and letting your moogle plant outside (like the greenhouse mentioned above),maybe on the other side your lawn a crafting furnace hosted by your NPC fellow.

That or i'd be happy with a penthouse overlooking port bastok. I'm sick of living in a basement studio apartment. lol

[kingfury]

The tiny crag in the fish tank made me laugh. Besides the mithra's expression anyhow.
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lol ^^ I went to the pet store not too long ago and past by the fish tank accessory isle and was amazed at all the lavish things you can pop inside a friggin' fish tank! The 1st thing that came to my mind for FFXI fish tank furniture was a crag lol :) It would of course have glowing tele pads to boot! Fish I'm guessing would like that sort of thing right? not to mention players would /stare for who knows how long at it lol o.o

-Crag of Mea in your fish tank (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-4-Web.jpg)

Yeah, to the poor unfortunate fish that get to be raised by Mithras, /Terror Look out! She's pretending to clean the tank again! /Run away! Cast Warp II on yourselves!! ><;

[kingfury]

Love the illustrations Kingfury, I hope someone on the team checks them out!

I was talking to LS mates a while back about MH stuff, I'd love to see the expanded houses for each nation and maybe the ability to have one in Jeuno ( or the style of the houses in upper Jeuno with multi rooms )

I also think an area like how chocobo circuit is set up would be amazing if it were an outside area for a small neighborhood maybe a few LS people in each one. Block party go! I'd like to see your house have a lawn for your raised chocobo, wyvern or carbuncle to idle in. Or a pet bed in your house where they can idle in. I always wonder where my pets go. and letting your moogle plant outside (like the greenhouse mentioned above),maybe on the other side your lawn a crafting furnace hosted by your NPC fellow.

That or i'd be happy with a penthouse overlooking port bastok. I'm sick of living in a basement studio apartment. lol
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/kneel ^^ Thanks Misi /salute

I gotta say, I wouldn't mind any of your suggestions for an entire homestead! lol Great images flooded into my head after reading your suggestions so if you don't mind, I'd like to visualize a few if I can. Hopefully the Devs have already got the idea from all the feedback in this great thread that players want another level of "Role playing" inside FFXI that gives us a place to call "Home" instead of a place to crash for the night. I know it would be on pare with developing something like an expansion development time-wise, but lets hope in the coming years with the future of FFXI in mind they truly hear the outpouring of request for something this cool and include it with a possible future expansion.

I was a big fan of the Phatasy Star III game element that allowed for you marry and settle down while passing your responsibility and problems along with your war-ridden life onto your offspring lol.

Copied from the Phantasy Start III Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasy_Star_III:_Generations_of_Doom):
"The feature that mostly separates Phantasy Star III, however, is that the story spans three generations of characters. At critical points throughout the game, the main character is given the option of marrying one of two women he has encountered during his travels. This choice determines the new main character of the next generation -- the child (or children) of the previous lead. The choice also affects the gameplay, as the main character may be Orakian or a mix of Layan and Orakian, which differ in their ability to use techniques and their level of proficiency with them. Two paths in the second generation in turn lead to four paths in the third and final generation, and depending on which of the four main characters is played, the ending will vary."
It was such a strange/cool concept back then playing that game to see a new, yet similar, face that you can continue to progress through the game with ^^. Who knows, if FFXI incorporated something like what Phantasy Star III did above, it could solve the whole "Let us Change our hairstyles" dilemma lol @.@ In any case, we would have a real home to retire in complete with the lawn and chocobo ranch if we so chose, or even if we didn't "retire". Really cool stuff. ^^ /

[Misi]

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/kneel ^^ Thanks Misi /salute

I gotta say, I wouldn't mind any of your suggestions for an entire homestead! lol Great images flooded into my head after reading your suggestions so if you don't mind, I'd like to visualize a few if I can. /

By all means, go for it. I'm really bad at drawing architecture. Seeing what others envision from some ideas is always fun.
it would be great to have upgrades, now would be a good time to do them since more and more people are setting their home points back in starting towns with the AH fix and abyssea npcs being local.

There was talk about UI changes, if those happen then maybe possibly they could add in things like hairstyle changes and the like. I think the Phantasy star idea is cool, but i'd feel like a bad parent every time i'd go out to kill monsters. it would be crystal war all over again. lol if they did something abyssea-like with that it could work, especially with how WOTG set up their story for Lilisette.

btw, I love the fish tank, its too cute. I'm surprised we haven't seen a witty furnishing like that in game so far. keep up the great work!

[Linh]

Altana finally got caught in my Pokeball for Prankration. I found out the chocobo I've been raising can fly. King Arthur said if I needed him and his 12 homies all I needed to do was text. And I finally reached Lv100 yesterday.

So what am I missing? An Expanded Mog House.

[kingfury]

There was talk about UI changes, if those happen then maybe possibly they could add in things like hairstyle changes and the like. I think the Phantasy star idea is cool, but i'd feel like a bad parent every time i'd go out to kill monsters. it would be crystal war all over again. lol if they did something abyssea-like with that it could work, especially with how WOTG set up their story for Lilisette.
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lol Well the concept was IF you decided to get married and have a child, that child would take up your original character's mantle allowing that character to study war no more and you would now control that offspring character, so you wouldn't be a bad parent... technically speaking... after all, you are forcing your innocent offspring into a life of never-ending battle... Hmmm... not sure how that falls in the whole good/bad parenting picture lol.


btw, I love the fish tank, its too cute. I'm surprised we haven't seen a witty furnishing like that in game so far. keep up the great work!
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Thanks again ^^ /salute
It is amazing that we don't have those yet lol. Devs, add Crag fish tanks to the your to-do-list please :D

[noodles355]

Just want to echo the few posters that said they would like furniture to not take up Mog Safe space. Please pleas please so much please do this. I think 29 slots in my mog safe are taken up with furniture. It looks nice but I'm hurting for space!

Also KF's mea crag fish tank pic was awesome. They need to add that as an item in game.

[Wibbly]

Try to focus folks.


Yes, it would be nice to add all sorts of things, but keeping the mog house contained and inside at the very least limits the things the dev team needs to do to make the entire thing work.

[noodles355]

Stop stifling the creative process by saying "stay on topic". Some of the best ideas and discoveries have come about accidentally whilst working on something else. You should respect that. Your idea is great. There is still time to improve on it, but you should also let other ideas be born from it.

[kingfury]

Just want to echo the few posters that said they would like furniture to not take up Mog Safe space. Please pleas please so much please do this. I think 29 slots in my mog safe are taken up with furniture. It looks nice but I'm hurting for space!
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/Agreed with this 200%! Make it work like Automation slots or something please Devs ^^ where you can use the menu to easily remove/add the funiture and so forth.


Also KF's mea crag fish tank pic was awesome. They need to add that as an item in game.
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/kneel ^^ Thanks Noodles /salute
Only thing I forgot to add was little scaled down Dhalmels walking around which would be pretty cool to see in that scene as well lol.

[Wibbly]

There's a term for that in politics...

But the primary point is, if they get overloaded with too many ideas then the original becomes too invalidated with the flak surrounding it.

We have the idea, we've developed it, we've focused it, and unless we push to refine it, no one else is going to bother with filtering out all of our stuff. The more complicated we make this idea, the less likely it will be to become reality.


Also, tiny dhalmels? MADNESS!



.... A leech tank would be awesome though.

/chewy

[Misi]

Didn't know we weren't allowed to make suggestions otherwise I wouldn't have said anything. I agree that a one room would be more plausible in terms of the devs carrying out the plan but the little extras would still be nice. I really don't care as long as we get some sort of upgrade in general. :)

[Wibbly]

That's not it at all...


The only reason the ideas come this far is by suggestions from others. But what we're doing now is making things branch out a little too far.

This idea is a bonsai tree. You let it grow, but none too quickly, and even if it branches in different directions, if you let it grow wild then it will whither, die, and cannot be tended any longer.

*Puts on an old man beard and strokes it*

[kingfury]

Try to focus folks.
Yes, it would be nice to add all sorts of things, but keeping the mog house contained and inside at the very least limits the things the dev team needs to do to make the entire thing work.
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No worries Wibbly ^^ From what I've seen throughout my time here on these boards is the Devs will indeed focus on the main subject of a suggested thread and respond accordingly, but nearly every response is followed by something like "please continue to give us your feedback" or "keep posting your ideas and feedback" and so forth. Rest assured, the Devs probably have "Expanded Moghouses" pinned somewhere on their "can we get into the game" idea board. :)

It's very natural to be inspired by great ideas and have even more ideas spring forth that are in line with them. While other ideas seem as though they are straying a bit away from the original concept, they are most likely being included by the Devs to add to any and all possibilities for the main suggestion. I say think of it like this:

So long as the ideas and suggestions in fact include an expanded mog house or a satellite concept that goes with it somewhere, they're supporting the OP's topic even it calls for a front and back lawn or an out house lol. The Devs will reel in anything that's too far fetch while processing the potential is what I've seen. The more ideas the better since no one knows how far the Devs may be willing to take the concept in terms of implementing the idea. It could very well be a major part of a future expansion one day! o.o In which at that point, could have every single great suggestion posted here included.

To be honest, I want an entire piece of land now! lol It would be much more fitting to reward the saviors of the world with their own piece of real estate I would think :D especially for those of us that don't prefer city living lol. Perhaps a choice, eh? Where would you like your Expanded Mog House to be built? within a city's walls, or outside in North Gustaberg?

/Kingfury points to North Gustaberg ^^

[Wibbly]

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To be honest, I want an entire piece of land now! lol It would be much more fitting to reward the saviors of the world with their own piece of real estate I would think :D


Hmmm.... While that is true.... It's also very needlessly complicated...

Well heck. Make it an expansion like the abyssea sections, adding a few specific areas including a home zone... Although at that point you'd have to make the homes more than just expandable. you'd have to replace the entire thing. then it comes to customizing that big of a space, maybe the entire thing and adding in NPC's and being able to place pets and things out there....


BLAH. Big idea. Not that I would be opposed to having a workshop for crafting or a fishing hole for fishing..

[Misi]

haha. The only reason I think you should aim a little higher is so it doesn't have to be redone again. Dev team seems to get into a habit of only doing the minimal requirements and then it bites them later when changes are mentioned. I don't know how many remodels the team would be willing to do unless they develop the first or second in a way that will allow the bonsai tree effect.

As mentioned, as long as it is slightly upgraded from what we have now, it'll still be great.

[kingfury]

Hmmm.... While that is true.... It's also very needlessly complicated...

Well heck. Make it an expansion like the abyssea sections, adding a few specific areas including a home zone... Although at that point you'd have to make the homes more than just expandable. you'd have to replace the entire thing. then it comes to customizing that big of a space, maybe the entire thing and adding in NPC's and being able to place pets and things out there....


BLAH. Big idea. Not that I would be opposed to having a workshop for crafting or a fishing hole for fishing..
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starts fiddling with expansion names.... homes... vana'diel... homes of--

"Homes of Vana'Diel"! ^^ lol j/k j/k
But seriously, they could opt to go as far as an expansion for this suggestion after their focus from developing all of the content needed for our 90-99 lvl cap has been be secured and fleshed out.

Actually, if they could REALLY have time to work on this concept, it would honestly be worth an expansion truly. Including a full laundry list of new animations like sitting, lying down, feeding fish tanks, perhaps watering/tending to plants, and heck maybe even sweeping the floor lol. All of which could have variations of each so to make it as interesting and entertaining as possible. I tried to show some of that variance with my illustration of the linkshell meeting inside the Mog House with folks sitting differently either folding their arms, or leaning forward, or very postured. Even having the animation that shows a character napping in a chair. All would be awesome to have.


They could be coded to trigger different animations like /seat 1, /seat 2, /seat 3 etc. ^^

I believe it has the potential. ^^

[Misi]

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starts fiddling with expansion names.... homes... vana'diel... homes of--

"Homes of Vana'Diel"! ^^ lol j/k j/k...

They could be coded to trigger different animations like /seat 1, /seat 2, /seat 3 etc. ^^


"Pimp my Mog house" Kupo d'Etat moogle comes to mind. XD

I hope they do consider more animations, or at least let race specific ones that all ready exist be available to your character. Even if it is just a handful. I've wanted a new /sit 2 /idle 2. forever. Seems easy enough to do through magians moogle.

[kingfury]

"Pimp my Mog house" Kupo d'Etat moogle comes to mind. XD
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Perfect!! lol


I hope they do consider more animations, or at least let race specific ones that all ready exist be available to your character. Even if it is just a handful. I've wanted a new /sit 2 /idle 2. forever. Seems easy enough to do through magians moogle.
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Wait, Wah?!! No magian trials for expressive animations please ><; SHHHH they'll hear you! These should be free and ready to use as soon as they're added! ^^;

/Kingfury attempts to hide that part of Misi's post with his massive Galkan arm. /panic

[kingfury]

Also, tiny dhalmels? MADNESS!
.... A leech tank would be awesome though.

/chewy
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lol they wouldn't be literally "walking around" inside the tank >< lol they would be tiny statues y'know. ^^

lol Even though I think you meant actual Leeches living in your fish tank, I think you've started a trend here lol Monster related statues for fish tank furnature, GO!!

Leech statue in your fish tank (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-5-Web.jpg)
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Dhalmel statue in your fish tank (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/soulchld4/ExpandedMogHouse-6-Web.jpg)

[Anathiel]

I support leech tanks. I support all expansions of the mog house. I also indeed support fishing holes, minor mining points, etc etc as a gil sink.

I have an amazingly decorated MH and I'm really proud of it. I would love to expand it and make it even cozier ^^

[azjazo]

It would be cool that furniture didnt take mogsafe space....

[Misi]

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Perfect!! lol


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Wait, Wah?!! No magian trials for expressive animations please ><; SHHHH they'll hear you! These should be free and ready to use as soon as they're added! ^^;

/Kingfury attempts to hide that part of Misi's post with his massive Galkan arm. /panic


/comfort

Hey Kingfury, what about a Al'Taieu fish tank? that could be interesting. with yovra/om'hpemde and maybe a mini AV. or maybe he can be random spawn in the tank when you zone into MH, i'd laugh.

the zone in itself without the mobs would make a pretty wall hanging or tank. Either way loving all the designs. I feel like such a bum for not drawing anything. lol

[kingfury]

Hey Kingfury, what about a Al'Taieu fish tank? that could be interesting. with yovra/om'hpemde and maybe a mini AV. or maybe he can be random spawn in the tank when you zone into MH, i'd laugh.

the zone in itself without the mobs would make a pretty wall hanging or tank. Either way loving all the designs. I feel like such a bum for not drawing anything. lol
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I'm gonna have to say that's just about brilliant! lol We can say it's a fish tank enchanted by mysterious magics and all that jazz. ^^

Not to worry, I'm happy to render stuff that's related to FFXI ^^

[noodles355]

But the primary point is, if they get overloaded with too many ideas then the original becomes too invalidated with the flak surrounding it.

We have the idea, we've developed it, we've focused it, and unless we push to refine it, no one else is going to bother with filtering out all of our stuff. Newsflash: You can polish and refine an idea as much as you want. SE will never use your exact idea. You've given them a base to work with and that is all they will take. Your general idea, probably with a few vague details have already been passed on to the dev team to concider. They will take it from there and build an idea based on yours, but not mimicing it 100%. Refining it anymore will do absolutely nothing. Making other large breakthroughs related to it are more likely to get recognition.

Everyone needs to stop thinking that just when a mod replies saying "I'll pass it on to the dev team" that the dev team will use everything, every refined detail in the idea. If they decide to use it they will take the general idea, maybe some vague points from the idea, and then make it their own.

[Wibbly]

Newsflash: Using "Newsflash" was old in the 80's.


._. *Takes a big red stamp of "Meany" and slams it in Noodle's forehead.*


ANYWHO....


Kingfury! If you put that big of a leech in a tank that size it'll just get out and eat your moogle! Besides I don't think I've ever seen them under water...


I do think having a tank filled with a handful of snack sized leeches in like, a mini Valkurm Oasis like tank (or atrium as it were?) would be hilarious.



...... And delicious..

[kingfury]

ANYWHO....
Kingfury! If you put that big of a leech in a tank that size it'll just get out and eat your moogle! Besides I don't think I've ever seen them under water...

I do think having a tank filled with a handful of snack sized leeches in like, a mini Valkurm Oasis like tank (or atrium as it were?) would be hilarious.

...... And delicious..
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lol no, no, it's a statue! ^^ "Fish tank furniture" was the goal lol. :) The concept, as improved by Misi, would spawn a new monster-related statue inside your fish tank each time you zoned in! ^^

I would think Leeches are "bottom feeders"... and would thus need to be purged by Firaga and served with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes before I'd go that route @.@... and an order of Selbina Milk shake please... and some more napkins. Thank you.

/Kingfury wants to eat out all of a sudden /sulk

[HFX7686]

I just want an inventory menu for furniture items instead of having to put them in the bank in order to put them in your mog house.

Also, did you know that furnishings won't go into storage? It's really annoying.

[Wibbly]

What can't leeches do...

Incredible acts of wanton murder, look adorable, make cute noises, probably the squishiest things ever with big fat smooshy faces... And apparently taste good firaga'd. Can't beat it!