[dev 1065]99 R/M/E. Double checking to be completely sure.

[Insaniac]

I just wanted to confirm that the only stats gained from the the completely impossible stage 2 trials would be the Afterglow. In other words the description for a level 99 r/m/e weapon after completing stage 1 would look like this.

Mandau Rare Ex
DMG:55
Delay:176 Attack+40 "Mercy Stroke"(+40%) Additional effect: Poison
Increased chance of dealing extra damage

Receiving both the increased WS damage and Relic damage proc and only lacking the afterglow and visual effect.

It seems like that's what you are saying but I want to be absolutely sure before I allow myself to get truly happy.

[Svens]

I think you should be more concerned with what the stage 1 trials will be. A reasonable development team would make stage 1 trials the following:
Relics: A-Dynamis Lord title & A-Diabolos title/Kill with weapon equipped
Mythic: PW title/Kill with weapon equipped
Emp:All Final VW Titles (T6 Jueno and T3 Zilart? Idk, not really into zilart)/Kill with weapon equipped

But this is SE, and they probably think that "reasonable" is half of the afterglow requirements, essentially leading to 1500 ADL, 750 PWs, and 4500 Rift[] for the complete lv99 weapons.

[Finuve]

I wish SE had half a brain, then they would realize how incredibly retarded everything post abyssea has been, this is just the piss flavored icing on top of the shit cake

we don't need abyssea level finish everything in a week content, what we need is to not get pigeon holed into doing the same content for 10 years and still not getting everything from it

this is worse than old relics

[Insaniac]

I am concerned about what the Stage one trials will be but I don't think that is a question they can answer yet. They can answer this and it's equally important imo.

[Anewie]

It probably will only have increased dmg, adjusted delay. extra attack/accuracy.

[Runespider]

If it glows then it will fullfill the only requirment top tier MMO players need to aim for it, looking unique and standing around PJ with it on. Square don't really want to make inclusive content that will give a lot of players time sink content, they just want to make it so stupidly long and horrible that the top few bother with it. Idiocy.

We have the message now, content isn't going to magically get better it's going to be what we've been getting since abyssea (The last stand will have drop rates that make old salvage look generous and the stats on the gear will be less/same as what you have on right now) weak sidegrades that take forever to obtain but that look blingy.

VW showed them that you can make people do horribly unrewarding content with weak (actual stats) rewards by just making them glow (wow style!) and I'm sure this will follow through with gear for years. Maintining game balance was never so easy.

[Insaniac]

The stage 2 trial in principle really is atrocious but honestly no one needs to do it. It truly is optional. It's 100% epeen trial. As long stage 1 is along the same lines as the last few trials then I'm not even slightly upset. I find it more funny than anything. The dev team thinking that anyone in the world is capable of completing the 500 PW item trial is seriously amusing aslong as it doesn't effect me getting the meat of the upgrade. Which it really does look like is all from stage 1.


Stage 1
Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.

The only thing they don't include from the list of 99 stats is the 2-3x damage procs.

[Coldbrand]

If it glows then it will fullfill the only requirment top tier MMO players need to aim for it, looking unique and standing around PJ with it on. Square don't really want to make inclusive content that will give a lot of players time sink content, they just want to make it so stupidly long and horrible that the top few bother with it. Idiocy.

We have the message now, content isn't going to magically get better it's going to be what we've been getting since abyssea (The last stand will have drop rates that make old salvage look generous and the stats on the gear will be less/same as what you have on right now) weak sidegrades that take forever to obtain but that look blingy.

VW showed them that you can make people do horribly unrewarding content with weak (actual stats) rewards by just making them glow (wow style!) and I'm sure this will follow through with gear for years. Maintining game balance was never so easy.

Yeah, they're going to WS in Port Jeuno genius.

[Insaniac]

You glow without WSing genius.

[Zumi]

Yeah, they're going to WS in Port Jeuno genius.

If you have one of these you glow all the time. Its pretty funny on the test server seeing everyone running around with a glowly aura.

Yes now you too can pretend like your on Dragon Ball Z powering up.

[Rukkirii]

Hello Insaniac!

I forwarded your question to the dev. team and they informed me that there are no plans in making the stats and the weapon skill damage different between the two stages of the weapons. The difference between the two will be the afterglow and the visual effect.

I hope that helps clear some confusion! :)

[DrForester]

I would say that maybe the stage one being so difficult for relics is because of hwo much easier they are to obtain, and empyrean's also being much easier to obtain than relics or mythics ever were.

But it doesn't explain being mean to Mythic trials as Mythics are practically impossible to obtain anymore with the silly Alexandrite requirement.

[Anewie]

Hello Insaniac!

I forwarded your question to the dev. team and they informed me that there are no plans in making the stats and the weapon skill damage different between the two stages of the weapons. The difference between the two will be the afterglow and the visual effect.

I hope that helps clear some confusion! :)

I'm officially jumping the shark, to team Pigmoa. WTF?

Now I get it, You want some things to be impossible to obtain. I understand and respect that. Seeing as how it doesn't really effect me, as I couldn't care less about shit I can't do and I understand you guys want some players to be special or elite but wtf?

So basically you want people to do 100 PWs and 300 DLS to have a glow effect? And a sphere effect that is virtually useless to the person who persued such a ridiculous and crude trial?

I'm not pissed at all, i find it rather humerous. Where is the logic in this? WHY WOULD ANYONE DO IT? To glow? LMAO I'm sorry but you guys have lost your minds.

I can see people doing insane trials for amazing stats and increased damage or some special trait that boosts their playability, but if you honestly think any group will waste time doing a trial that long and hard, to simply glow (which can be turned off via effects if a person doesnt wanna see it) you guys really are as crazy and looney as the forum says...

Yes, i can understand 100pws trial if you want a player to gain some amazing stat or something, the people who want to be the absolute absolute absolute best would try for it (altho they have too much free time and are crazy, but i understand the want to be special in game) but to make a trial like THAT for something that is USELESS other than to glow.

I am officially team "WTF SE".

I totally support this trial being reduced/erased/gtfo IF THATS all it offers. I am aware SE only offers small rewards for long trials anyway, but this trial has to be the MOST SHALLOW and ridiculous trial from a payoff-reward ration in all FFXI.

I'm not suggesting they make it the only stage, im suggesting they rework the whole thing to just be as easy as people want it. That's a way better strat than doing this. This is truly alienating. It's like you guys are running so desperate for idea to keep people playing? No one is going to do this trial. People do relics for themselves. No one is going to do 300 adls so they can glow. People would do 300 adls for increased stats and proc dmg. People do relics to be stronger and better at their jobs... not to glow. At least not to the extent of 100 fkin pws.

I would rather there only be the easy trial. At least It gives me some comfort the dev team hasnt completley lost it. I used to think maybe people were whining a bit too much, but with this trial.. honestly.. are u that desperate to keep us playing that u would dare ask us to do 100 PANDEMONIUM WARDENs just to ...glow?

Just GTFO

[Insaniac]

Hello Insaniac!

I forwarded your question to the dev. team and they informed me that there are no plans in making the stats and the weapon skill damage different between the two stages of the weapons. The difference between the two will be the afterglow and the visual effect.

I hope that helps clear some confusion! :)Thank you RuRu! This is the answer I and a lot of my relic friends were hoping for!

[Anewie]

Thank you RuRu! This is the answer I and a lot of my relic friends were hoping for!

why are u happy about this rather than more pissed?

doesn't it worry you more that they would make trials so stupid for such a reward? That's a worse sign than asking us to grind for something top tier.

I understand people are happy about the easier trial payoff, but it doesnt worry u for what they might do in the future?

Don't thank him. He's an idiot and so are his coworkers!

example of future trial: KILL AV 100 TIMES FOR NEW EMOTICONS! WTF?

someone fire these losers and the dev team plz.

[Anewie]

Like this same thing applies to salvage drop rates, hnms, and etc. I can understand why they exist and why drops are rare. It's a time sink that offered people top tier stuff. Let's not get into politics cause that's not my point.

My point is, what is worse, a system that offers nothing useful for ridiculous amounts of time, or a system that offers anywhere from small upgrades to big ones for ridiculous amounts of time? Both can be bad, but only one makes some form of sense.

This trial was ridiculous anyway, but it's pointless now. This might seem like a good thing, but I think it raises a bit more red flags than white ones.. . . .

[Insaniac]

First of all RuRu is just a messenger so don't be an ass.

Second. No it actually gives me hope that there is a method to the apparent madness. The glow trial is insane on a monumental level but there are some people who want trials like that. The majority though do not. Splitting it into 2 makes the most sense. It's a prestige trial with a minor boost to utility but it will keep the true no lifers busy for a very very long time. They will want it so that they can say they did it and others weren't able to but the people who are sane enough to never even touch the trial can be happy with their level 99s.

tldr

Putting a hugely beneficial stat on the glow weapons would cause people like myself to quit. Making only an easy to complete trial would cause the hardest of the hardcores to quit when they had nothing left to do. In a sick way it's actually pretty smart.

[Anewie]

First of all RuRu is just a messenger so don't be an ass.

Second. No it actually gives me hope that there is a method to the apparent madness. The glow trial is insane on a monumental level but there are some people who want trials like that. The majority though do not. Splitting it into 2 makes the most sense. It's a prestige trial with a minor boost to utility but it will keep the true no lifers busy for a very very long time. They will want it so that they can say they did it and others weren't able to but the people who are sane enough to never even touch the trial can be happy with their level 99s.

tldr

Putting a hugely beneficial stat on the glow weapons would cause people like myself to quit. Making only an easy to complete trial would cause the hardest of the hardcores to quit when they had nothing left to do. In a sick way it's actually pretty smart.

Don't be naive. He works for SE just like anyone else. Have you seen some of the bs in the dev tracker? Don't defend them. I hold them all to the same merit, they all get a piece of my dollar, and im sure they support their co workers, but that's another story.

Also naive about the sense behind the trial. Now maybe im in the minority of people who are unbiased for the most part, but... why would anyone do this trial? Please post if u are someone who would do this and answer why. You want to glow that badly?

Idk.. i geared myself to be stronger.. If anyone actually does this trial just to glow, thats pretty lol. Maybe naive as well to think no one is that desperate to be special that would put themselves through such trauma for a useless stat but idk.

I'm also on the boat of people who think "wtf" to people quitting cause they can't have the best. Like lmao. You cant have the best gear cause its too time consuming so you're gonna quit? I'm sorry but both parties are losers.

LOLzzzz

[Anewie]

YOU WANNA BE SPECIAL?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Goblin_Belt

YOU'RE WELCOME!

As for whiners who quit cause of a hard trial *Insert tissue GIF*

also to insaniac and fellow relic holders, im not really attacking u all personally. im trying not to be a complete bitch.. If u wanna quit, thats ur business, i think its silly to quit vanadiel cause of a game trial. I quit because of boredom content, but that's just me. I can understand u being angry about something u wanna obtain, but quitting over it cause u dont have the time? That's just not my style. I look for stuff i enjoy and just do that. Theres plenty of stuff to do.

[Insaniac]

You have trouble thinking outside of your tiny box and you are clearly mad about decisions you aren't able to comprehend. Creating 2 separate paths for "player a" who enjoys being stronger and doesn't care if others are able to gain the same level of strength and "player b" who only cares about having more stuff than the next guy makes the most people happy. I've already seen people claiming they can't wait to get started on the glow trial. Call them insane if you want because they probably are but it doesn't change the fact that the dev team was smart for making a different path to keep them happy while putting the meat of the trial on stage 1 which will keep the 99% that aren't willing to do stage 2 happy.

[Karbuncle]

Don't be naive. He works for SE just like anyone else. Have you seen some of the bs in the dev tracker? Don't defend them. I hold them all to the same merit, they all get a piece of my dollar, and im sure they support their co workers, but that's another story.

Also naive about the sense behind the trial. Now maybe im in the minority of people who are unbiased for the most part, but... why would anyone do this trial? Please post if u are someone who would do this and answer why. You want to glow that badly?

Idk.. i geared myself to be stronger.. If anyone actually does this trial just to glow, thats pretty lol. Maybe naive as well to think no one is that desperate to be special that would put themselves through such trauma for a useless stat but idk.

I'm also on the boat of people who think "wtf" to people quitting cause they can't have the best. Like lmao. You cant have the best gear cause its too time consuming so you're gonna quit? I'm sorry but both parties are losers.

LOLzzzz

You're kinda being a bit of a C**t right now, Just sayin'

While they are representative, They have no creative control over FFXI, it'd be like you crying to the Desk Clerk about them Nerfing something. I.E you look like an idiot.

They split the trials because of the numerous, loud complaints about how insane the Trial was.

So, To make everyone happy, They weakened the trial to 99, So people could get their pretty weapons, But kept the old insane trial for those who want that last extra challenge. Sure, the Reward is minimal, but to some of the people, its not about the reward, its about the challenge.

Since these buffs are so minimal outside of visuals, Its not like it will hurt people who don't want to do the insane trial. It'll just be there, for people who do.

[Anewie]

You're kinda being a bit of a C**t right now, Just sayin'

While they are representative, They have no creative control over FFXI, it'd be like you crying to the Desk Clerk about them Nerfing something. I.E you look like an idiot.

They split the trials because of the numerous, loud complaints about how insane the Trial was.

So, To make everyone happy, They weakened the trial to 99, So people could get their pretty weapons, But kept the old insane trial for those who want that last extra challenge. Sure, the Reward is minimal, but to some of the people, its not about the reward, its about the challenge.

Since these buffs are so minimal outside of visuals, Its not like it will hurt people who don't want to do the insane trial. It'll just be there, for people who do.2@insaniac, no mad is saying ur gonna quit if u have to do xxx amount of work. You'd know about that. WHOSREALLYMAD.

@Karb - I honestly have some respect for you. You seem pretty unbaised. Yes im being a see you next tuesday. There is nothing new about that, every other person thinks that about me, so you're not alone.

As for the trial, Ok np. I was mostly poking fun at it than anything. My emps are staying at lv90 and I don't have mythic. (and people will deal with it tbh. I love them, and if relic 99 requires PWs and adls over 1-5, they will be staying at 95. IAINTEVENMAD.gif)

I still think the both parties you mention need to get a clue. Quitting over a trial or requirements for a certain xx peice of gear when there plenty of stuff to do, is about as laughable as a person who seriosuly "can't wait" to do 100 pws so they can be... blue?

IN B4 I CAN'T THINK OUTSIDE MY BOX.

TBH its what ffxi doesn't need. a dev team catering to two very different extremes. People who whine and complain and then quit because they cant have everything under the altana sun, and people who are so shallow for exclusivity that they would subject themselves to mindless, ridiculous bs.

[Anewie]

My goblin belt makes me more special than anyone with a 99 afterglow relic.

[thats too bad]

[Kimble]

If pretty much everyone was against the afterglow trial, it isnt really people just bitching, its the player base as a whole telling the company that isnt what they want.

[SpankWustler]

I forwarded your question to the dev. team and they informed me that there are no plans in making the stats and the weapon skill damage different between the two stages of the weapons. The difference between the two will be the afterglow and the visual effect.

The glow effect will represent not overwhelming power, but the overwhelming body odor that a weapon-holder accrues while fighting 100 Pandemonium Wardens or farming several dozen bazillion gil.

The assorted colors of glow represent the different horrifying stenches the human body can produce when left to it's own devices. Relic glow is garlic-tinged burnt sugar with a hint of sulfur. Mythic glow is half-fermented ham and Swiss sandwich on rye. Empyrean glow is over-salted mildew on a dead fish.

[Insaniac]

wrong

I shouldn't even reply to you. Look at it from your twisted perspective all you want but the trial hurts no one. It is for prestige only, making it 100% optional. More people are happy with this trial set than would have been happy with one or the other. If SE had to make an insane trial that would keep "those types" busy for a long time this was the smartest way to go about it without losing far more subs from people like me. You can't really argue that. Your other comments are irrelevant to the conversation.

[Insaniac]

TBH its what ffxi doesn't need. a dev team catering to two very different extremes. People who whine and complain and then quit because they cant have everything under the altana sun, and people who are so shallow for exclusivity that they would subject themselves to mindless, ridiculous bs.Protip: Those 2 extremes make up the core of every mmo ever.

All you have done in this thread is whine and complain. The difference is that most people disagree with you. You can call the people who wanted easier relic trials complainers all you want but we are also the majority. Most people who understand the implications of the trial aren't upset about it. You just don't get it and that is causing you to whine and complain about a decision by the dev team to cater to more players as opposed to very few.

[Alerith]

If the afterglow effect really is the only difference between a 99 relic/mythic/empyrean and a 99 +1 relic/mythic/empyrean, so be it. I won't be bothering with the afterglow.

Honestly, it's relieving to know that I'll be able to get a 99 empyrean and it will be exactly the same as someone else's 99 empyrean for at least several years. What is the afterglow trial hurting? Not a damn thing.

I'll be honest though, if I see someone with afterglow several years down the road, I'm not really going to look at them with respect. More like I'll end up feeling sorry for them.

"Your 99 +1 Almace is the exact same as my 99 Almace. Oh wait! Yours gives ME a bonus!"

[FrankReynolds]

The funny thing is that collecting the items to finish a weapon with afterglow actually costs more gil than a player can currently hold in game. That's just dumb.

6 months from now, some insanely rich loser kids will have this effect, and start complaining that it doesn't do anything for them. The devs will adjust the effect so that it makes the few LS that have people with glow completely OP and capable of destroying anything. Standard players will shout ravenously at the devs. The devs will respond by making it easier to get the glow. The people who spent 999,999,999 gil on them will revolt, and attack the devs because they are pissed that they spent what equates to a down payment on a house on getting a useless glowy effect in a video game. Then some one at SE headquarters will make a video interview where they laugh at how dumb we are, and announce they are pulling the plug, and we will all be strangely relieved.

[Vold]

Hello Insaniac!

I forwarded your question to the dev. team and they informed me that there are no plans in making the stats and the weapon skill damage different between the two stages of the weapons. The difference between the two will be the afterglow and the visual effect.

I hope that helps clear some confusion! :)
As eff'n cool as glowing would be, I can live without it. I approve of this decision.

[Anewie]

Protip: Those 2 extremes make up the core of every mmo ever.

All you have done in this thread is whine and complain. The difference is that most people disagree with you. You can call the people who wanted easier relic trials complainers all you want but we are also the majority. Most people who understand the implications of the trial aren't upset about it. You just don't get it and that is causing you to whine and complain about a decision by the dev team to cater to more players as opposed to very few.



Putting a hugely beneficial stat on the glow weapons would cause people like myself to quit.

Also, since you seem uninformed. here is the definition of whining.


Give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
Complain in a feeble or petulant way.

Now was my post b*tchy as karb pointed out? Yes. Whining? Lolz, no. I was making a point while being snarky about it. What you did was whining. AKA threatening to quit over idkwhatever.

Also you're wrong about what you say makes up the majority of the player base. How many do you really think would have quit over this? You're delusional if you think it would be significant. SE simply listened, but don't make the naive assumption mass quitting would have happened over such a small and redundant factor in xi. Why were arguing idk. I'm not doing the glow trial anymore than you.

"People like myself" you said btw.

Protip: You're in a minority sweety.

I really hope SE does a direction that causes people like you to quit honestly. It's disgusting to me how entitled people think they are. But my views are apparently "twisted". lol, yeah okay.

[Insaniac]

What's disgusting is your reading comprehension. Ultimate weapon holders are a minority of the population but the majority of them wanted a reasonable trial to get to 99. And I never once said that there would be a mass exodus but "people like me" would have quit. Let me try to break it down for you. Here's the 3 possible situations:

Only an impossible trial:
(a)Players without weapons: Unaffected
(b)Players with weapons that want a reasonable trial (majority): Unhappy, Angry, possible rage quit.
(c)Players with weapons that need exclusivity to be happy (minority): Pleased I guess?

Only a reasonable trial:
(a)Unaffected
(b)Happy
(c)Bored, probably quit after a few months

Current plan for stage 1 and 2 trials:
(a)Unaffected
(b)Happy, They have their 99 relic at 99.9% of full power which is good enough for most.
(c)Happy, They have something to work for that will truly set them apart from the crowd.

Now which one looks like the right decision for a company to make? You're going off on tangents about entitlement and whining but the focus of your first post was how this was a stupid decision. My argument is that you lack the critical thinking skills to understand why they would have done this and why this option is the most beneficial to both the players and the company assuming they HAD to make some insane trial.

[Anewie]

What's disgusting is your reading comprehension. Also, stuff

Speaking of reading comprehension Insaniakk, here is my original post. You're welcome.


I'm officially jumping the shark, to team Pigmoa. WTF?

Now I get it, You want some things to be impossible to obtain. I understand and respect that. Seeing as how it doesn't really effect me, as I couldn't care less about shit I can't do and I understand you guys want some players to be special or elite but wtf?

So basically you want people to do 100 PWs and 300 DLS to have a glow effect? And a sphere effect that is virtually useless to the person who persued such a ridiculous and crude trial?

I'm not pissed at all, i find it rather humerous. Where is the logic in this? WHY WOULD ANYONE DO IT? To glow? LMAO I'm sorry but you guys have lost your minds.

I can see people doing insane trials for amazing stats and increased damage or some special trait that boosts their playability, but if you honestly think any group will waste time doing a trial that long and hard, to simply glow (which can be turned off via effects if a person doesnt wanna see it) you guys really are as crazy and looney as the forum says...

Yes, i can understand 100pws trial if you want a player to gain some amazing stat or something, the people who want to be the absolute absolute absolute best would try for it (altho they have too much free time and are crazy, but i understand the want to be special in game) but to make a trial like THAT for something that is USELESS other than to glow.

I am officially team "WTF SE".

I totally support this trial being reduced/erased/gtfo IF THATS all it offers. I am aware SE only offers small rewards for long trials anyway, but this trial has to be the MOST SHALLOW and ridiculous trial from a payoff-reward ration in all FFXI.

I'm not suggesting they make it the only stage, im suggesting they rework the whole thing to just be as easy as people want it. That's a way better strat than doing this. This is truly alienating. It's like you guys are running so desperate for idea to keep people playing? No one is going to do this trial. People do relics for themselves. No one is going to do 300 adls so they can glow. People would do 300 adls for increased stats and proc dmg. People do relics to be stronger and better at their jobs... not to glow. At least not to the extent of 100 fkin pws.

I would rather there only be the easy trial. At least It gives me some comfort the dev team hasnt completley lost it. I used to think maybe people were whining a bit too much, but with this trial.. honestly.. are u that desperate to keep us playing that u would dare ask us to do 100 PANDEMONIUM WARDENs just to ...glow?

Just GTFO

More reading comprehension for you bro. You're welcome.




You're going off on tangents about entitlement and whining but the focus of your first post was how this was a stupid decision. My argument is that you lack the critical thinking skills to understand why they would have done this and why this option is the most beneficial to both the players and the company assuming they HAD to make some insane trial.

Im sensing anger from your posts or frustration. I'm not taking this as seriously as you obviously, but again, you are the one having trouble with reading comprehension and putting words in my mouth. I never said making an easier trial was a dumb thing to do.

I'm saying the trial for afterglow relic was already ridiculous, but it's even more ridiculous now. Your opinion on it is biased because you are one of the "people who would quit over it" etc etc. So It's no surprise you are thinking about it from a very naive point of view.

"This trial will keep hardcore of the hardcore playing and satisfy them for their e-peen items!" is basically what you're saying correct?. Fact check, this is just you being naive. You are beyond delusional if you think any hardcore or "no lifer" player will be happy with this.

I'm not suggesting they take the stage 1 off either, so don't get so hot under the collar. I'm arguing with you only on the basis that it makes even LESS sense than before. You don't see it that way, but your opinion is so biased, I can't take it seriously. In the land of marginal upgrades, a trial this exhausting for somethin that offers no benefit to the holder over someone who didn't work nearly as hard, makes less sense to me than having to do something ridiculous for an increase.

I'm not saying you or any relic holder should feel bad or anything either. I'm simply stating you're not giving hardcore or no lifers enough credit. I'm going to bet, unless the afterglow is amazing in what it does to the party, almost no one will attempt this.

Going to use mythic weapons as an example. Back at 75, alexandrite wasnt so hard to come by. Why did so few do mythics? Mythic quest is arguably LESS exhausting than lv99 afterglow. So why did no real melee attempt mythics? Here is the answer: They sucked. If your assumption is correct, people would have done mythics to look unique and e-peen right? Sorry hun, but that's delusional thinking. Sure, people go after e-peen, im not arguing with you on that, but the line for it is very paper thin as opposed to sanity and wanting to actually gear your job well.

If you honestly believe there is even a handful of people who are so desperate to look good, that would do this to feel good about how they glow, you really are as disconnected with the xi base as a whole than the devs.

I can respect your opinion, you just respect mine and we can debate peacefully.

[Krashport]

I'm saying the trial for afterglow relic was already ridiculous, but it's even more ridiculous now. Your opinion on it is biased because you are one of the "people who would quit over it" etc etc. So It's no surprise you are thinking about it from a very naive point of view.
Why you feel this way, once you get/do a Lv.99 Relic / Emp your done! cause the Lv.99 Vs the Lv.99+1 is all the same, After all this is just a game SE nor anyone else is saying you have to do it. I personally think the afterglow is pretty cool. Will I do it? Maybe but it will come in time.

[Insaniac]

I love how you think you have some huge effect on my mood lol. You like to exaggerate peoples statements and emotions so you feel like you matter. Like I have said before I'm just sitting here with either a blank look or a smile on my face.

There's a reason they don't want to remove the insane trials and there's a reason they added a new reasonable trial. If you can't see that reason and why it makes more sense than anything you suggested then I feel sorry for you. You are also delusional if you think no one will try to complete these trials just for the sake of feeling like they accomplished something that most people couldn't or wouldn't. Very few people will try to do them but that's the point. It keeps those people that are insane enough to do it playing and paying.

[Krashport]

@Insaniac I bet ya 50k in Gil, Anewie is typing pretty hard on the keyboard right about now...

[Anewie]

I love how you think you have some huge effect on my mood lol. You like to exaggerate peoples statements and emotions so you feel like you matter. Like I have said before I'm just sitting here with either a blank look or a smile on my face.

There's a reason they don't want to remove the insane trials and there's a reason they added a new reasonable trial. If you can't see that reason and why it makes more sense than anything you suggested then I feel sorry for you. You are also delusional if you think no one will try to complete these trials just for the sake of feeling like they accomplished something that most people couldn't or wouldn't. Very few people will try to do them but that's the point. It keeps those people that are insane enough to do it playing and paying.

Alright, well heres a question then. You just acknowledged very few will even try, implying it's a very marginal amount of people. So, why would it matter if they continue play and pay if it is such an insignificant number of individuals? I understand what you're saying, i'm simply stating it not only doesn't make any sense, i'm also having a very hard time believing it.

I'm also not saying i'm anymore right than you. My argument is that the logic behind my argument seems much more believeable than yours.

Ask me why the same question, just vise versa. Why would it make more sense to make the insane trial for the best increase in useage and uility? Because anyone who wants to have the strongest most powerful weapon in game, will do it. Why does this make more sense than the reverse argument? Because the amount of people who will continue to play and attempt it, would more than likely make up a much larger margin. A much more significant amount than what you suggest.

Again, not saying the trial would be any less ridiculous. I'm arguing there would be more sense to it because more would attempt, thus having a greater impact on "keeping elites playing" which is what you suggest is the reason behind it.

tldr, making a trial only 3-5 people on any server will ever care about doesnt make as much sense as making a trial that anyone with a relic under the sun would be tempted to complete. Doesn't mean the trial is any less crazy, but there is more reasoning as to why it exists and why people are doing it.

You're welcome

[Insaniac]

I'm suggesting the combination of the 2 trials keeps more people playing than either one would have individually. Very few people will attempt it but the people who aren't happy just getting more relics or emps or aren't even happy with the current exclusivity of mythic weapons will and they probably would have quit otherwise. Believe it or not those people are out there. I really don't see anyone quitting over these 2 trials but either one individually would have sooner or later caused people to quit.

[Alerith]

Insaniac makes a very valid point.

People who get a 99 R/M/E are going to be satisfied because the afterglow effect doesn't justify the trial and they still won't lose out on any damage, delay, etc. by NOT doing the afterglow trial.

Meanwhile, the hardcore elitists still have something to go for that makes them feel "superior".

Both sides win and it's less likely that either side is going to over-rage, complain or quit.

[Anewie]

I'm suggesting the combination of the 2 trials keeps more people playing than either one would have individually. Very few people will attempt it but the people who aren't happy just getting more relics or emps or aren't even happy with the current exclusivity of mythic weapons will and they probably would have quit otherwise. Believe it or not those people are out there. I really don't see anyone quitting over these 2 trials but either one individually would have sooner or later caused people to quit.

I like this reply. Respectable and a good debate. Although I don't agree, because it's subjective man. Lets take that smn who says he might do the trial. What was his reasoning? He said because once he's done, thats it, and he needs something to do. You mentioned before that the two extremes between people who will quit over something small or the people who would stay and continue to play for something small, make up the core of xi. This is a very wrong assumption.

There are people who want to be exclusive and elite, yet are not crazy/dumb enough to do 100pws so they can glow, and there are plenty of people who are content with not having the best of the best endgame weapon/body piece because they dont have the time. This margin of people probably makes up more of xi, than what you suggest.

I honestly respect your point of view and I get it. I simply think it makes more sense to make the best gear exclusive and good. I think that would keep hardcores playing longer and would be better business, because I don't see mass quitting from people over 5-10 pieces of gear only a handful of people per server will ever get, even if its the best.

If a person would quit over a single weapon or bosdy piece, they likely wont play very dedicatedly anyway. But that is subjective as well.

[Insaniac]

There are different degrees of exclusivity that people can pursue. The exclusivity of stage 2 would be unrivaled but for people who aren't willing to take on that challenge there's things like completing all quests. Obtaining an ultimate weapon for every job they play. Obtaining every ultimate weapon for their favorite job. Even having all jobs at 99 even though it's easy is it's own level of exclusivity.

Just to be clear I agree that the stage 2 trials are completely insane and should be lowered by a fair margin but I do not think that only the most unhealthily addicted players should be able to carry the highest tier of weapon. Telling 99.9% of your audience "no you can never have the best weapon no matter how hard you worked to get up to this point" is far worse than telling people "you have the option to do this insane trial but all you get is a small party buff and you get to glow".

I do think the core of MMOs consists of those 2 groups of people. It's possible our definition of "the core" isn't the same. I consider it the collection of players that plays for years without quitting or just taking very short breaks. For the purposes of this specific topic though the group concerned (ultimate weapon holders) is composed almost entirely of those 2 types of people and they catered to both with these trials. I also would not have used your words to describe the two groups because I think it's a harsh representation of both but I think that's what you were going for. One group believes that with a reasonable amount of work they are entitled to the best gear and the other wants proof of how they pushed themselves harder than anyone else. Both understandable and both taken care of.

[Scribble]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm actually pretty happy that they decided to go this route with the trials... but I will say that making the reward for the most grueling trial yet in XI almost purely aesthetic doesn't make all that much sense. I know that there are players who like long, daunting challenges but I think they deserve a bit more than a minor buff and a glow. Just sayin'

[detlef]

I'm satisfied with this turn of events, provided that stage 1 of the level 99 upgrade is not unreasonable. Like many, I strive to be the best, and obtaining the relevant ultimate weapon(s) is a part of that. I would not have rage quit if the level 99 requirements had been left in place, but my faith in SE would have reached its nadir.

Every player who finishes a level 75 ultimate weapon should also be able to finish their level 99 ultimate weapon, sans glowiness. I can't miss the glow if it doesn't exist.

[Catsby]

I think it's cool they split the trial the way they did but it's not cool they still punish people with these bullshit trials.

[Nervosa]

Why does the dev team think taking years for a glow effect that does nothing for the user is ok, but at 75 when a group of people tired to kill PW, took 18 hours and made news on yahoo, things had to be changed?

[Scribble]

You glow without WSing genius.


Afterglow effects activate when the weapon skill corresponding to the equipped weapon
For Aegis and Ochain, the effects activate when Shield Bash is used.

Misleading post is misleading? You glow without WS but you have to WS to gain the effect? That's pretty stupid.

[Helel]

I have a somewhat unrelated question. We've been level 99 for over a month now. Can I please have my 99 relic trial like now (and not March)?

[Insaniac]

Why does the dev team think taking years for a glow effect that does nothing for the user is ok, but at 75 when a group of people tired to kill PW, took 18 hours and made news on yahoo, things had to be changed?PW at the time dropped a couple of the best pieces of gear in the game makingit something that someone intent on being as powerful as possible was forced to do. Stage 2 is optional for the power of your weapon. Again I still think the trial is insane and should be lowered but I don't see a ton of harm in an insane trial that you can easily choose to not do and not sacrifice a substantial amount of power.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm gonna be honest. I think the whole concept of an achievement that takes years in a game is just beyond evil. However, if they really just absolutely have to put some stupid crap like that in it..... I think they should make it even more worthless. like literally just the glowing effect. Give the sphere type effect to trial 1. The only thing you gain is the bling.

[Kluaf]

in 6 months i cant wait to poke the shit out of the idiot who glows in port jeuno who will stand out like sum poor challenged kid ... course then theyll jus be easy marks for manthras :D

[Camiie]

It won't be in 6 months no matter how hardcore they are or how little life they have.

[Damane]

in 6 months i cant wait to poke the shit out of the idiot who glows in port jeuno who will stand out like sum poor challenged kid ... course then theyll jus be easy marks for manthras :D

that will not happen in 6 months... maybe in 2 years when 1 person SLAVED 35 other people to daily farm and kill ADL for 2 years (for double dorps!).

When you want to poke a mythic holder with glow, I suggest you send your grandchildren to look after that person and poke it.

[Hercule]

that will not happen in 6 months... maybe in 2 years when 1 person SLAVED 35 other people to daily farm and kill ADL for 2 years (for double dorps!).

When you want to poke a mythic holder with glow, I suggest you send your grandchildren to look after that person and poke it.

People with Relic/Mythic/Empy will just teamup together and made a static team to do it everyday, yeah you even can find relic WHM for the team :p

[Insaniac]

That might work if you only needed kills. Make an alliance of 18 people who all need the item and you get to kill ADL 18,000 times. 5,400 if the supposed .dat mined numbers turnout to be true. SE only wants like 1 person per server glowing and you wont see that person glowing for at least a year but that's fine with me. They can have the prestige/pity. I just want the damage.

[Hercule]

That might work if you only needed kills. Make an alliance of 18 people who all need the item and you get to kill ADL 18,000 times. 5,400 if the supposed .dat mined numbers turnout to be true. SE only wants like 1 person per server glowing and you wont see that person glowing for at least a year but that's fine with me. They can have the prestige/pity. I just want the damage.

Ohh? you dont only need the kill? there is an item needed?
I thinked it was only the kill so 18 people can get together the work done with a daily work...

[Camiie]

Ohh? you dont only need the kill? there is an item needed?
I thinked it was only the kill so 18 people can get together the work done with a daily work...

Now you see what all the fuss is about. It's not team up for the sake of everyone. It's team up for the sake of one, and just that one person's trial will take years. This is the content the devs are wasting their self-admitted limited resources on. Content which, by design, a very limited number of people even have a chance of completing.

[Yoky]

You all still ranting bout this??

Truth be told, most people complaining fall in one of 2 groups

Group 1) Dont own a relic or mythic and never weill

Group 2) Don't really care bout afterglow effect

Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

Anyway, i dont see the big deal.. The trial can stay how it is, most people really dont care bout the effect anyway, its not doing anything to help you. If you wanna do it.. go for it.

Building a PW pop isnt hard, just a lil time consuming but relatively easy.

SE hasnt announced the final, maybe there will be pouches? Maybe they will change the zeni system.. we dont know yet.. Dont stress it. You should be more upset bout how lame the stats are...

[Alerith]

Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

To be fair, there was A LOT of other stuff the helpers could get in dynamis while working on a person's relic. Many linkshells even did gil payouts every month.

After a handful of Arch Dynamis Lord kills, what's going to be needed for your group? Do you plan to incorporate an AF/Currency/Forgotten farm? That'll add more time to the whole ordeal.

Basically, your comparison is invalid.

[Camiie]

You all still ranting bout this??

Truth be told, most people complaining fall in one of 2 groups

Group 1) Dont own a relic or mythic and never weill

Group 2) Don't really care bout afterglow effect

Those complaining bout a group working on 1 person's goal? Dynamis pre-update says HELLO!

Anyway, i dont see the big deal.. The trial can stay how it is, most people really dont care bout the effect anyway, its not doing anything to help you. If you wanna do it.. go for it.

Building a PW pop isnt hard, just a lil time consuming but relatively easy.

SE hasnt announced the final, maybe there will be pouches? Maybe they will change the zeni system.. we dont know yet.. Dont stress it. You should be more upset bout how lame the stats are...

Building a PW pop isn't hard? Ok, fine. Now multiply that exact same effort x100 or x300 or whatever. See that's the thing. They aren't asking for 1 PW or 2 or 5.

You don't know what they'll do as far as the system or the drops either. All we have to go by is what they have on the test server, which if the test server is worth anything at all should be what we go by when judging pre-release content. That's what a test-server is for!

They put it on the server. We test it. We give feedback on it. They tweak it. We give feedback. They tweak until we and they are largely satisfied. That's a test server. That's how it works... That's what we're doing now. Giving feedback on what they've shown us. Until they announce and introduce pouches or changes in the zeni system we can't assume there will be any. We have to take what they give us and what they tell us at face value. Assuming is actually the wrong thing to do.

[Insaniac]

For f*cks sake. People need to stop saying that the stage 2 buffs should be stronger because that will end up being the one thing they listen to. SE made a halfway decent decision. Please don't make them ruin it.

[Alerith]

For f*cks sake. People need to stop saying that the stage 2 buffs should be stronger because that will end up being the one thing they listen to. SE made a halfway decent decision. Please don't make them ruin it.

I don't want the buff to be better, I want the trial to be less absurd. And I don't mean only a small handful of said items. I mean three. Maybe four.

Anything over five for those kind of things is a pain. Anything over 10 is just asinine.

[Insaniac]

Wasn't directed at you but it's important that people chose their words carefully. Saying something like "The reward for this trial isn't worth the effort" while intending to say the requirements should be lowered could easily be interpreted as you asking for the rewards to be better. Remember when dealing with SE pretend you are telling a wish to an evil genie who will twist your words. "I want to be beautiful forever." "Ok, I will turn you into a statue."

[Alerith]

I've been asking SE to make PLD more desirable for years....

Now we have Voidwatch.

...

Fuck.

[Hercule]

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27431/gobbie-mystery-boxes

[Camiie]

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27431/gobbie-mystery-boxes

Yeah... I'm sure they'll drop real often from mystery boxes just like Ridills drop real often from Fafnir and the best armor drops real often from VW.

[detlef]

About PW pop item, maybe SE plan to guive us the acces realy easy,
Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/NPAte.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27431/gobbie-mystery-boxesI don't think you understand what is going on in that image.

[Tamoa]

I don't think you understand what is going on in that image.

Yeeeeeeah lol.

However, it does mean that PW pop item can be a reward from the daily reward chest, but chances are you can probably build 100 PW pops the normal way before seeing one from that chest.

[Karbuncle]

Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.

[Tamoa]

Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.

Picked dial 5 yesterday and got a Hi-Potion +2. -.-
I bet it's IP based just like voidwatch loot! ffffffffff D:

[Camiie]

Actually Know a fella who got the Pandemonium Key from the Box...

They killed it just a few days ago.


I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.

[saevel]

I don't want the buff to be better, I want the trial to be less absurd. And I don't mean only a small handful of said items. I mean three. Maybe four.

Anything over five for those kind of things is a pain. Anything over 10 is just asinine.

But that's not how SE see's it. This is a JP game, and if you've played any of the East Asian (Japanese / Korean) RPG's they tend to create a set of items that take ridiculously amounts of time to get and are incredibly impractical. That is exactly what Stage II Lv 99 weapons are. They are the Infinity +1 Sword (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InfinityPlusOneSword). The Stage I lv 99 could be seen as the Infinity -1 Sword (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InfinityMinusOneSword), not statistically the absolute best, but near enough to be more useful then the Stage IIs.

Or better yet, view the LV 99 Stage II's as Bragging Rights Reward (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BraggingRightsReward)

I'm just happy their going to make the stage 1's somewhat obtainable by everyone else.

[detlef]

I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.IIRC the r/m/e weapons that were given out for bonanza were a one-time thing for SE accounts (so only one entry per SE account). I'd guess that there were at most a handful of winners across all servers, if any. That's neither here nor there.

I don't know, when I talk to the goblin and ask what I could have gotten, all he ever lists is crap now. He used to give some actual good things for the 3rd option but these days it's stuff like Erase, peiste pellets, and the like.

[Karbuncle]

I'm sure people have won Myhtics from Mog Bonanza... I don't think we can really consider either one a reliable method of distribution.


Was not agreeing with anyone, Was simply stating I know its possible to get one. Of course it will be like... 1/1,000,000 chance.. x.x