Cruor Burning into Massive gil

[Anewie]

Ive recently noticed people taking their mules and main chars to abyssea, burning their cruor on armor, then npcing it for gil. This seems ok normally but i noticed some people are doing it on a large scale and making massive amounts of gil.

Is this against the terms of service? I know someone whos made a ton of gil doing this with his three mules, all he does is exp in abys and npc the gear. I told him it sounds exploitish and he better be careful before he gets SALVAGE'd, but hes certain its ok

has anyone else noticed this becoming a trend and surely this isn't okay with the tos right? Curious is all. The Gm i talked to seemed to think it was a non-issue as well lol

[saevel]

People have been doing this since Abyssea was introduced.

Only way around it would be to either A) nerf crour gains into oblivion and thus make Voidwatch impossible. Or B) make the items non-sellable, which they already said their not going to do.

[Nynja]

umaduhavenocruor?

[Vold]

If SE didn't want us doing it they would have nerfed the sale prices a long time ago. It may still be incoming. I'm sure they keep up with that kind of data but exploit? No. They probably approve of it so people have less reason to get shady and buy gil.

[Byrth]

BG discussed this potential problem here (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104388-Inflation-observations-strategies)a while back.

Mojo made some good points about how gentle inflation in the economy wasn't actually a bad thing. At the time I disagreed, but in retrospect I think he was dead right. By giving people an NPC-able alternative, SE has added some stability to the economy and have (it seems weird to apply this to an MMO) significantly increased the social mobility.

In 2007, the best way to make money was to already have money and spend it wisely. Also, a lot of things had substantial startup costs before they would start turning a profit. For instance, one of the most profitable things in the game to do was Tier 0 cursed item synthing. Say you burn 100k per NQ Zenith Mitts, but make 20mil profit per HQ 1% of the time. If you have enough gil to invest (read: over 10mil), then this isn't a problem for you. In the long run you stand to double your money, so it is a great investment. It's absolutely horrible for a starting or more casual player though, who is unlikely to ever get the skills (high level clothcraft) or gil (15~20mil) or time (100 synths takes a long time and non-stackable ingredients suck) for such a venture.

Regardless what people say, Crafting is not entirely dead and it is possible to make a decent profit if you're willing to level Synergy and use a few of your old crafting mules or something. Still, it is very easy to make gil by farming Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, Cruor, etc. Heck, go do Campaign and sell Voiddust. There are no real barriers to entry when it comes to farming. You will get better as you make gil and buy better gear. Still, even if your starting performance is only half what it will be, it will be good enough to make substantial gil. Not like, "Oh hey, I can buy food now! :D" gil like I used to do BCNMs for. Like, "The most expensive thing on AH is worth less than a week of farming" amounts of gil.

You want to be rich? It's as easy as persistently farming anything of value. I can't see this Abyssea Cruor NPCing option as anything short of intentional. It is the alternative, and sets the prices for the others.

[Runespider]

Next on the nerf list.

[wish12oz]

NPCing armor is kinda dumb when chocobo blinkers exist.

[Dreamin]

or voiddust/cells. dust was up to as high as 33k per not too long ago (think they're back to under 30k now).

[Prothscar]

200,000 cruor is worth a maximum of 529,000 gil (with current cell prices). If someone chooses to turn their hard earned cruor into gil rather than upgrade their atmacites, buy brews, etc., then that's their call. Nothing infringing about that. Though I would question their reasoning for not upgrading their atmacite first as Voidwatch is easily the much more effective way to make money.

[CrAZYVIC]

If they nerf this im quit the fucking game. Im not gona Spend all days farming and crafting again for get gils. Since this system was introduced i can enjoy FFXI like a fucking game and not like a dam life.

[Seriha]

Something something fight club, etc...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

burning their cruor on armor, then npcing it for gil.If you're NPCing armor, you're doing it wrong. lol

[Zarchery]

200,000 cruor is worth a maximum of 529,000 gil (with current cell prices). If someone chooses to turn their hard earned cruor into gil rather than upgrade their atmacites, buy brews, etc., then that's their call. Nothing infringing about that. Though I would question their reasoning for not upgrading their atmacite first as Voidwatch is easily the much more effective way to make money.

That's a conversion rate of 1 cruor = 2.645 gil, which is the same as Chocoblinkers.

[Zarchery]

I used the cruor bought armor to conquer Gustaberg on behalf of Sandoria about a year ago. It was kinda fun, but not entirely practical since I was only a Sandorian temporarily (was doing rank missions) and returned to Bastok like a week later. Still, I felt a certain sense of pride being responsible for that.

[Kaisha]

You want to be rich? It's as easy as persistently farming anything of value. I can't see this Abyssea Cruor NPCing option as anything short of intentional. It is the alternative, and sets the prices for the others.
I doubt it was intentional on the scale people are abusing it, to the point where people have written bot scripts to buy the stuff from NPC and sell it.


And then you got people like this guy who cruor burns daily.................with this many accounts.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/Genexi2/FFXI/moneymoney.jpg

[Prothscar]

There's a large difference between a legitimate player using cruor as a means for gil and someone constructing an elaborate bot network to do it day in day out, we usually call the latter RMTs.

[Alerith]

I'm surprised you limit this post to Cruor. The better option would be to turn your Dominion Notes into sellable weapons. You get about 7k per weapon and you still have your cruor available for brews and voidwatch.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'm surprised you limit this post to Cruor. The better option would be to turn your Dominion Notes into sellable weapons. You get about 7k per weapon and you still have your cruor available for brews and voidwatch.True, but more RMT parties don't do OPs. It would take too much man power to page everyone. This is also the best reason NOT to have renewing pages.

[Anewie]

I doubt it was intentional on the scale people are abusing it, to the point where people have written bot scripts to buy the stuff from NPC and sell it.


And then you got people like this guy who cruor burns daily.................with this many accounts.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/Genexi2/FFXI/moneymoney.jpg

WOW That is crazy. lols

[Kaisha]

There's a large difference between a legitimate player using cruor as a means for gil and someone constructing an elaborate bot network to do it day in day out, we usually call the latter RMTs.
And it's the latter that determines whether something gets adjusted or not, like the infamous Rabao Botfishing network of rusty cap fame.

[Byrth]

That's obviously exploitive, but I'm sure SE doesn't mind receiving the payments for that guys' 16 accounts. They'll probably ban him in a year.

[Alhanelem]

Ive recently noticed people taking their mules and main chars to abyssea, burning their cruor on armor, then npcing it for gil. This seems ok normally but i noticed some people are doing it on a large scale and making massive amounts of gil.

Is this against the terms of service? I know someone whos made a ton of gil doing this with his three mules, all he does is exp in abys and npc the gear. I told him it sounds exploitish and he better be careful before he gets SALVAGE'd, but hes certain its ok

has anyone else noticed this becoming a trend and surely this isn't okay with the tos right? Curious is all. The Gm i talked to seemed to think it was a non-issue as well lol
Spending points on items and selling them to NPCs doesnt violate any rules. Doing it to extreme excess could be a flag for RMT activity though. For me though, it's dominion points. Buy augmented weapons, 99% chance they're going to suck so you're practically expected to NPC them. Just buy a few every now every trip to abyssea.

[Chamaan]

BG discussed this potential problem here (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104388-Inflation-observations-strategies)a while back.

Mojo made some good points about how gentle inflation in the economy wasn't actually a bad thing. At the time I disagreed, but in retrospect I think he was dead right. By giving people an NPC-able alternative, SE has added some stability to the economy and have (it seems weird to apply this to an MMO) significantly increased the social mobility.


Abyssea is Obama-care! STOP ADDING JOBS TO THE ECONOMY, STUPID NPC, CRAFTERS ARE THE JOB CREATORS

[TheNamedApple]

WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE? Somebody said my name!

[Chamaan]

They're talking about how shady you are. I don't know if I can disagree. This 1-post-count, 17 mule business is greasy, very greasy.

[TheNamedApple]

www.ffxiah.com
Hi, the superior forum.

[Seha]

Don't you hate on the X-army! :<

[TheNamedApple]

The X army is so legit.

[Hercule]

Ok, so we can win about 20 cruor per kill (and a lot of more in a cruor pt), and you said 1 cruor = 2645 Gils

So an alliance of 18 RMT mule made (20 X 2645) X 18 = 952 200 Gil a kill???!!!

And just for a cruor chest (1000 X 2645) X 18 = 47 610 000 gil a chest?

Hmmmm something is wrong in this maths i guess lol

Or ill just paid 18 new account for 1 month level them to 99 on 2 days and made 999.999.999 gils on 4 or 5 mules for the 28 days left....

How 1 cruor can made 2654 gils?

[Zarchery]

Ok, so we can win about 20 cruor per kill (and a lot of more in a cruor pt), and you said 1 cruor = 2645 Gils

So an alliance of 18 RMT mule made (20 X 2645) X 18 = 952 200 Gil a kill???!!!

And just for a cruor chest (1000 X 2645) X 18 = 47 610 000 gil a chest?

Hmmmm something is wrong in this maths i guess lol

Your calculations are off by a factor of 1000. I said 1 cruor = 2.645 gil. That's a decimal point, not a comma. A 1000 cruor chest would be worth 2,645. That would be 47,610 gil total to the alliance.

[Hercule]

Your calculations are off by a factor of 1000. I said 1 cruor = 2.645 gil. That's a decimal point, not a comma. A 1000 cruor chest would be worth 2,645. That would be 47,610 gil total to the alliance.

ohhhhhhhhhhhh ok you it was 2gils lol ok i'm was thinking this incredible thinked you talked about 2,6k gil ^^;

Yeah but this even made too much gils for an ally of RMT, it should break the game if price coming back like they're went in 2004...

[Vold]

I can't agree with a person paying up for many accounts to make more money to be exploitative. If you condemn that then you have to condemn mule characters as it's "exploiting" the game to extend your limits, and obviously SE does not agree with that by looking at the character selection screen alone. As long as they aren't creating gil from something that shouldn't be happening, it's legit, and if SE ever disagrees with it they'll do what they always do - nerf NPC buy prices.

That's not to say SE could one day go, oh we don't approve of this one person having 12 mules farming cruor so we is gonna ban them. Because we feel like it. But according to the established definition of exploiting, such a player whether legit or RMT wouldn't be doing any wrong unless you want to condemn them for being a capitalist pig. How dare someone want to work hard to be richer than you. How dare they do what you don't. Ban'm & Eff'm. Equality! Everyone on same playing field! Hey how come no one crafts anymore so I can has what I want???? ..... ohhhhhh.

[Hercule]

Yeah its realy a big problem, so its easy to made 100k cruor/hour on a decent Cruor party

So that still 1000 cruor = 47 761 gil (for the alliance)

so its 4 761 000 gil/hour? (for the RMT ally)

so RMT can made like 47m on 10 hours?

HOW DARE SquareEnix DONT NERF THIS SHIT?

[Zarchery]

For someone to get a bunch of mules together and farm cruor separately, they'd have to register separate Square Enix accounts and pay $12.95 a month for each of them. Not to mention that more than one of them would have to be fighting, and I have a tough enough time 2-boxing, I can't imagine 12-boxing or 18-boxing.

[Hercule]

free 1 month trial is not still avaible on ffxi?

And about keep an ally fighting RMT use bot that made all the ally work alone imo (Exept 1 character that is player and all the other characters /assist + heal bot etc)
+ RMT usualy use multi computers and maybe like 3 RMT can hold a full ally without any problems

I hope we are not coming back to a new "2004" gil inflation :(

[Dirtyfinger]

This thread has given me great ideas, and probably many others.



Thanks for sharing.

[Reyn]

The free trial is currently for 14 days, level 30 is the cap, it only includes original FFXI areas so you can't even enter Abyssea, and you can't have more than 100k on a trial character.

RMT are hardly interested in this game anyway. There is no money in it for them any more. Don't get your panties in a twist.

[Dragoy]

Not to mention they can't even trade with other characters.

Full list of restrictions:



http://support.eu.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?kid=60224&ret=main&id=455&la=2

Other in-game restrictions:
- Character’s growth limited to lvl 30
- Maximum amount of gil (in-game currency) limited to 100,000
- Auction house restricted to browsing only
- TELL/SHOUT functions disabled (ctrl+r replies enabled)
- FINAL FANTASY XI® 1.0 areas only (original game), all further expansions disabled
- Server transfer disabled
- Post/deliveries disabled (sending/receiving)
- Trading disabled
- Bazaar restricted to browsing only
Even if not RMT-activity, there's definitely something shady in alliances of Xyz-named characters.

But that's beside the point here really, and only thing we can do about those is report them to the STF-Unit.
As mentioned already, they are well aware of the fact how Cruor can be made into Gil, and they would have probably restricted it already if they wanted to.

That is not to say that they will never do that, still...

It is not against the ToS, as also already mentioned.
As also also already mentioned, there is a difference between legit, and... well, the other kind. ^^;

[Hercule]

So, if you make 18 new SE account

18 X 12,95$ = 233$

And if you spend about 10 hours of farming/day

You will get 999.999.999 gil on about 25 days~ (You get 5 days to level up your little army)

233$/999m = 0,23$ a million and 250 hours farming ~
Everyone will become RMT soon...

[Zarchery]

The free trial is currently for 14 days, level 30 is the cap, it only includes original FFXI areas so you can't even enter Abyssea, and you can't have more than 100k on a trial character.

RMT are hardly interested in this game anyway. There is no money in it for them any more. Don't get your panties in a twist.

RMT must still be interested to some extent, because you can still buy gil.

[Zarchery]

So, if you make 18 new SE account

18 X 12,95$ = 233$

And if you spend about 10 hours of farming/day

You will get 999.999.999 gil on about 25 days~ (You get 5 days to level up your little army)

233$/999m = 0,23$ a million and 250 hours farming ~
Everyone will become RMT soon...

Don't forget that the conversion isn't something you do in an instant at an NPC. You have to buy items with cruor, then NPC them for gil. I converted 1 million cruor to gil a few days ago, and it must've taken be a good 2 hours to buy the chocoblinkers until my inventory was full, warp to Jeuno to sell, then warp back to refill and repeat until I was done. And that was one guy and only 1 million cruor.

[Brolic]

Don't forget that the conversion isn't something you do in an instant at an NPC. You have to buy items with cruor, then NPC them for gil. I converted 1 million cruor to gil a few days ago, and it must've taken be a good 2 hours to buy the chocoblinkers until my inventory was full, warp to Jeuno to sell, then warp back to refill and repeat until I was done. And that was one guy and only 1 million cruor.
can be done with a script while you sleep

[Brolic]

RMT must still be interested to some extent, because you can still buy gil.

what was the last thing you bought, for more than lets say 2 million gil?

[Manicora]

Most New gear HQ land is at a min 5-10 mil starting and most new spells Pre VW Spamming were 2-3 mil some as much as 5-6 in first few days. As far as Dyna goes can easily make 200-400 Singles in a day and on solo as dnc, but if u have say 3 accnts and do this then you can easily make a relic solo within 3 months farming Dyna Doing VW and Cruror conversion with NPC'd gear. Now If you are smart and do Salvage every single day as well lets see 15,000 gil per 1 Alex, and can get 60-150 alex per day (DD/Thf/Healer) trio you can have max gil very fast in this game but so many ppl are lazy and still working on there af3+1 seals. Happy Gil hunting Do not cheat and buy gil when you can cheat and sell Gil to RMT and make real Money ...

[Alhanelem]

RMT will always exist to some degree, but for the forseeable future, it's been mostly killed. RMT PWNER v 1.337 has won.

[Babekeke]

Look up Xeth on ffxiah.com. He spent all that gil funding his 7 relics and 4 empys, and another relic on Xethdoggy, his THF mule. Best thing is the comment on his profile "This game is genuinely boring". Of course it is, Xeth! You do nothing but burn abyssea for gil to make relics all day!

[Brolic]

Most New gear HQ land is at a min 5-10 mil starting and most new spells Pre VW Spamming were 2-3 mil some as much as 5-6 in first few days. As far as Dyna goes can easily make 200-400 Singles in a day and on solo as dnc, but if u have say 3 accnts and do this then you can easily make a relic solo within 3 months farming Dyna Doing VW and Cruror conversion with NPC'd gear. Now If you are smart and do Salvage every single day as well lets see 15,000 gil per 1 Alex, and can get 60-150 alex per day (DD/Thf/Healer) trio you can have max gil very fast in this game but so many ppl are lazy and still working on there af3+1 seals. Happy Gil hunting Do not cheat and buy gil when you can cheat and sell Gil to RMT and make real Money ...

my dude, +1

[Tamoa]

Look up Xeth on ffxiah.com. He spent all that gil funding his 7 relics and 4 empys, and another relic on Xethdoggy, his THF mule.

This. I know him, he has been working his butt off for those relics (and still is). Why he's chosen to do it that way I really don't know, multi-boxing like that would make my head explode.



Best thing is the comment on his profile "This game is genuinely boring". Of course it is, Xeth! You do nothing but burn abyssea for gil to make relics all day!

Not to mention all those trials for all those weapons....

[Zarchery]

what was the last thing you bought, for more than lets say 2 million gil?

Scroll of Comet back in October, and I think the Ocomeleh harness goes for several million, but none of that is relevant. What is relevant is the fact that gil selling services exist therefore RMT exist.

[Unleashhell]

RMT activity is still in full swing. At least on Fenrir it is. These RMT groups never leave abyssea and pull mobs 24/7. The RMT found a legit way of making gil and its easy and simple to do. I have seen many RMT groups in Abyssea zones cruor farming and continually shout in Port Jeuno. They do things 2 ways, they have 18 accounts in an ally (1 pullers to cleave and 1 healer, rest Taru mules). Or they have 24/7 shouts in Port Jeuno where half the ally is RMT and the other half players pay for exp.

[TheNamedApple]

Look up Xeth on ffxiah.com. He spent all that gil funding his 7 relics and 4 empys, and another relic on Xethdoggy, his THF mule. Best thing is the comment on his profile "This game is genuinely boring". Of course it is, Xeth! You do nothing but burn abyssea for gil to make relics all day!
Gil for emps, what? lol But no, this game isn't boring because of what I do/have done, it's boring because all of my friends quit. I don't think many people would be playing this game more than casually if they weren't playing with friends.

[Brolic]

Gil for emps, what? lol But no, this game isn't boring because of what I do/have done, it's boring because all of my friends quit. I don't think many people would be playing this game more than casually if they weren't playing with friends.
make me another relic and i'll be your friend

[TheNamedApple]

Yeah its realy a big problem, so its easy to made 100k cruor/hour on a decent Cruor party

So that still 1000 cruor = 47 761 gil (for the alliance)

so its 4 761 000 gil/hour? (for the RMT ally)

so RMT can made like 47m on 10 hours?

HOW DARE SquareEnix DONT NERF THIS SHIT?
Because killing mobs for 10 hours a day is fun. Not to mention you're implying that anyone can just make an army of mules and get more than 100k Cruor/hr as well as just do it all day(Nobody has a real life or a job). You also can't solo 100k cruor/hr so even if you were getting 47m for 10 hours, you're splitting it with someone else or maybe 2 or 3 people. Those numbers quickly become lower and lower when you realize more things about the whole process. Oh, did I mention that spending days to convert cruor is fun too?

[Alhanelem]

These RMT groups never leave abyssea and pull mobs 24/7.How do you know they're RMT, if they're engaging in a legit activity that many legit players engage in on a regular basis?

Most people ch arging for cleave/whisker EXP are not RMT, they just have an easy cash cow.

[TheNamedApple]

How do you know they're RMT, if they're engaging in a legit activity that many legit players engage in on a regular basis?

Most people ch arging for cleave/whisker EXP are not RMT, they just have an easy cash cow.
~Someone is making more gil than me, must be RMT!

[Unleashhell]

How do you know they're RMT, if they're engaging in a legit activity that many legit players engage in on a regular basis?

Most people ch arging for cleave/whisker EXP are not RMT, they just have an easy cash cow.

So people with no gear with names almost exactly the same that play for 24 hours a day and never leave are legit players? Come on man...

[Alhanelem]

So people with no gear with names almost exactly the same that play for 24 hours a day and never leave are legit players? Come on man...
You didn't describe the players. But I haven't seen anything like this in a long time. ALmost every time I see someone offering this, They and the people with them look like normal players to me, no similar names with one letter difference, no gibberish names, no naked players. I haven't seen anything like that.

[Vagrua]

I've seen a group of 3 BLMs, a BRD, and a COR along with a puller once in abyssea. The puller would bring a mob within range of the BLMs and they would all cast at the entire time killing the mob. The BRD and COR would also buff the BLMs by themselves. Sounds pretty simple if some windower script could actually do all that. The only one who would actually have to work is the puller.

[Kitkat]

With just my mule I can make ~75k/hour cruor per character, but it is boring as hell. Additionally, there is no promise I can find a suitable camp to just farm cruor at since there is a large quantity of people doing cleave parties (sometimes on one of the mobs I'm swapping between) meaning that is an ideal number if given ideal circumstance. Just with the two characters though I find most of that is going tward atmacite upgrades and other VWNM (when i actually have time to play that is). Depending on luck, I could make exponentially more gil doing VWNM than I would (or anyone would) doing cruor burns all day long while still getting a chance to gain something I want at the same time.

[Shadowsong]

I hope we are not coming back to a new "2004" gil inflation :(

For there to be inflation, there has to be things people want to buy.
The only reason people nowadays would purchase gil would be to complete a Relic or a Mythic. Very few trophy pieces even exist anymore that can be purchased; Kraken Club and uhhhh, that new Double Attack belt?

With all the R/E shit out now, gil is kinda meh. At least how I play :o

[Draylo]

Do it the stress free way and take your 18 characters and go fish ;)

[DrStrangelove]

For there to be inflation, there has to be things people want to buy.
The only reason people nowadays would purchase gil would be to complete a Relic or a Mythic. Very few trophy pieces even exist anymore that can be purchased; Kraken Club and uhhhh, that new Double Attack belt?

With all the R/E shit out now, gil is kinda meh. At least how I play :o

Inflation is a macro economics term that refers to a relative increase in total currency (in use) versus total actual goods/services. The relative or actual desirability of goods in general or any individual good or service has nothing to do with global inflation rates as long as currency is still being used and goods / services are still being consumed.


For there to be inflation, there has to be things people want to buy.

Therefore, this is wrong.

[Byrth]

It's actually not entirely wrong. Gil that is out of circulation is effectively not taking part in the economy. Players A, B, and C who keep max gil on their mules are actually increasing the value of gil because there is effectively less gil in circulation when they hoard it than if they spent it all on relics/mythics/empyreans and put it back into the hands of farmers.

[Meyi]

I see no problem with converting cruor into gil. It's a game. I don't care if people want to spend time farming cruor then spend time converting it into gil. It's not as if there's a "create gil" button they're pressing.

[svengalis]

Ive recently noticed people taking their mules and main chars to abyssea, burning their cruor on armor, then npcing it for gil. This seems ok normally but i noticed some people are doing it on a large scale and making massive amounts of gil.

Is this against the terms of service? I know someone whos made a ton of gil doing this with his three mules, all he does is exp in abys and npc the gear. I told him it sounds exploitish and he better be careful before he gets SALVAGE'd, but hes certain its ok

has anyone else noticed this becoming a trend and surely this isn't okay with the tos right? Curious is all. The Gm i talked to seemed to think it was a non-issue as well lol

If you talk to a GM and they said it wasn't wrong why make this thread?

[MojoJojo]

If someone wants to spend a bunch of time killing mobs, amassing tons of cruor, then spending a bunch of time converting it to blinkers (or gear for even less) and npc'ing it for gil by all means go ahead. It isn't hurting anyone now is it? It's alot less exploitative than using the oldskool bots to screw over people for big ticket items. The cruor/items/npc are there for a reason. I don't think the ToS states what you have to spend stuff on. Would you be crying if someone spent hours upon hours farming some random item just to npc? It's the same damn thing. Spamming items for gil. I've converted a bunch of cruor i didn't feel i needed for gil and if i had more characters i would have done even more. It's a pretty easy way to make money while i do my usual stuff, saves the the hassle of making gil some boring ass way.

The whole RMT thing is getting a little long in the tooth. They've been pretty much swept off to the corner to cater to a very small group and as far as i've seen, aren't disruptive anymore, at least no more than a single group doing anything will disrupt you (a single bst in dynamis fighting beside you can make you groan). Back in the day they were all over the place camping everything worth a damn causing a ruckus. Now they hang out in altepa fell-cleaving for gil and hanging out in dynamis? Where else is the infestation? Their influence has diminished down to %^&* all imho.

[Shadowsong]

It's actually not entirely wrong. Gil that is out of circulation is effectively not taking part in the economy. Players A, B, and C who keep max gil on their mules are actually increasing the value of gil because there is effectively less gil in circulation when they hoard it than if they spent it all on relics/mythics/empyreans and put it back into the hands of farmers.

This is what I mean. I'm sitting on 15 million right now with nothing to buy at all. Thats pretty much server gil -15 mil

Even if I was to agree there was inflation going on, I'm saying that no one would even care

edit: fixed lol

[Meyi]

This is what I mean. I'm sitting on 15 million right now with nothing to buy at all. Thats pretty much server gil -15 mil

Even if I was to agree there was inflation going on, I'm saying that no one would even care

Whoa, I didn't say that, Byrth did. XD

[Yarly]

All I can see is OP crying about not having lots of gil.

[Runespider]

RMT (and poor players supplementing their irl income with RMT) will basically bloat on these means of making gil, they will put themselves out of business because gil is so easy to make now they will have more than they can possibly sell and they will be making gil for no reason.

Very few people care the way they used to about RMT, they don't really hurt anyone and the economy is hilarious now anyway so who cares.

[Shadowsong]

Runespider just gave me flashbacks of Castle Oztroja with 15 Dragoons running circles around me.
Yeah, RMT now are like the cast of Jersey Shore. If we just pretend they aren't thre, they aren't :D