The RolanMart

[Godofgods]

So.. has the Dev team made a decision on whether or not to bring this back yet?

While i didn't think it was necessary at first, with all the ppl selling various things like heavy metals and silver mirrors, And the shear number of ppl selling dynamis currency/items, the streets of Jeuno are getting quite flooded with afk bazaars. To the point now where i would support bringing it back.

[Lazytaichou]

Seems that there is still a big RolanMart on our server, along with a bunch of folks in Jeuno, selling their Dyna currency and Sky god pops. Shouts/yells for that stuff too.

[Joslyn]

I never really understood why rolanmart was ever stopped on my server, it only happened since the second server merge and the only reason was the other server used the Gardens so everyone on my server followed suite, I preferred it in Rolan since it was easier to just stand and look at everyone instead of running arround in the Garden to see if anyone has what you need

[Alerith]

The Dev team never, ever had control over the Rolanberry Bazaar. It was a system designed by the players.

When Lower Jeuno was the center of the world (and even when it shifted to Whitegate), people sat outside the city to open bazaars because Jeuno still had a tax on bazaar'd items. In response to this, you could set your character outside the city gates to bypass the tax.

Once the update came that removed the tax, there was no reason to bazaar outside the city. People could sell their wares, tax free, in any part of the city.

[Alhanelem]

So.. has the Dev team made a decision on whether or not to bring this back yet?

While i didn't think it was necessary at first, with all the ppl selling various things like heavy metals and silver mirrors, And the shear number of ppl selling dynamis currency/items, the streets of Jeuno are getting quite flooded with afk bazaars. To the point now where i would support bringing it back.
Really I have to ask: Who the hell wants this back? Why should I have to walk out of town to shop bazaars when they can be in town and I don't have to walk as far or zone out? I was SO HAPPY when the tax removal made bazaars move back inside.

Whoever came up with the idea of congregating outside of town in the first place should be shot.

There is no tax in town therefore no reason to bazaar outside of town. Why anybody actually liked this is beyond my comprehension.

[Kaisha]

People should just use the Chocobo Circuit. Every mule can access it, and every nation in the game can zone there. Not like that location is being used for anything else these days.

Just need to add a Nomad Moogle and dbox NPC.

[Sparthos]

Really I have to ask: Who the hell wants this back? Why should I have to walk out of town to shop bazaars when they can be in town and I don't have to walk as far or zone out? I was SO HAPPY when the tax removal made bazaars move back inside.

Whoever came up with the idea of congregating outside of town in the first place should be shot.

There is no tax in town therefore no reason to bazaar outside of town. Why anybody actually liked this is beyond my comprehension.

Except thanks to Jeuno being the place to AFK, character models won't always load meaning you're SOL if your rig doesn't display all the bazaars.

Rolanberry Fields is completely empty, lag free and all mules are visible without having to move around to see the hidden models. Choco Circuit would be even more ideal but tax makes it a no-go.

[Alhanelem]

Rolanberry Fields is completely empty, lag free and all mules are visiblUmm, actually, no it wasn't. The last time we had Batallia Downsmart (where it was on shiva), there were so many mules there that it was in no way lag free nor were all the mules visible.

Also, on my server most of the bazaars have been in upper jeuno which is not heavily trafficked.


Choco Circuit would be even more ideal but tax makes it a no-go. The tax was specifically put there to prevent that, sadly. increasing the traffic in that zone would have increased the number of people who would potentially stop to see/participate in the races.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Jeuno tax needs do be reimplemented. I will remove nearly 50% of the people in every zone. Except upper, no one cares about upper.

[Greatguardian]

Except thanks to Jeuno being the place to AFK, character models won't always load meaning you're SOL if your rig doesn't display all the bazaars.

Rolanberry Fields is completely empty, lag free and all mules are visible without having to move around to see the hidden models. Choco Circuit would be even more ideal but tax makes it a no-go.

But I'm lazy.

[Alhanelem]

There just needs to be a tax in port jeuno only.

[Zaknafein]

Yeah upper jeuno bazaar ftw

[Cljader1]

Yeah Rolanberry hills is lag free and character models are very visible its the best place.

[Alhanelem]

Yeah Rolanberry hills is lag free and character models are very visible its the best place.
Until people move back there. Then it's no longer the best place.

Wherever the bazaars are, there will be lag and there will be not all character models visible. Outside town is the worst place becuase you have to walk out there and zone. You're not going to escape the lag / display limitations anywhere. I know this from experience. When our bazaars were outside town, I would have to start on one side, check the bazaars, inch forward a bit until more characters displayed, check them, move to the other side, repeat a few more times. Anyone who thinks there is less lag or no character display problems is crazy.

(I'm sure most people are complaining about bazaars in port jeuno, but really anyone who bazaars there is an idiot, because odds are, nobody is going to see your shop).

There's a reason rolan/batallia/saramart ended: Because it was inconvenient as all hell and the jeuno tax was removed, and most people didn't like going out there, they simply did it to avoid the tax.

[Cljader1]

Rolanmart is very strong on the bismark and its getting even stronger, I visit it adleast once every couple of days..I feel bad for some servers if there rolanmart has dried up. I visit port jueno to shop just as a 2nd option if rolanmart do not have what I'm looking for but it sucks in port jueno hidden character models are overwheming, when shopping at rolanmart I never really have that problem.

[Meyi]

Yep. I concur with Bismarck having our Rolanmart still.

...Are we the only server who's preserved this? :O!

[Alhanelem]

I feel bad for some servers if there rolanmart has dried up.I don't, because the whole idea was stupid to begin with. The reason it was done in the first place had nothing to do with lag or characters not displaying (which are both still a problem no matter where the bazaars go), it was all about evading the bazaar tax- heck, most people wouldn't even bazaar if there wasn't listing fees for the AH- this is all about saving gil.


...Are we the only server who's preserved this? :O! Yes, apparently bismark is the only server that likes terrible ideas. I'm glad I'm not on that server if being there means having to walk to the end of town and zone out to go shopping.

Honestly I'm finding that bazaaring is happening less and less because few items in the game sell for a high enough value to where the AH fees become a problem, and all that's left is currency and a handful of other non-AHable items.

[Meyi]

Yes, apparently bismark is the only server that likes terrible ideas. I'm glad I'm not on that server if being there means having to walk to the end of town and zone out to go shopping.

Oh blow it out your bum. -rolls eyes-

[Cream_Soda]

If your game can't load characters in Jeuno, then just shout for what you want.

It's 2012, it's not hard to have a computer that can handle XI

[Alhanelem]

The limit is arbitrary, it's not a matter of whether our PCs can handle it or not

[Greatguardian]

If your game can't load characters in Jeuno, then just shout for what you want.

It's 2012, it's not hard to have a computer that can handle XI

50 model limit, bro. Galka man is right on this one. The game will never load more than 50 objects at a time. Loading time is based on your hard drive's read speed, but it still has to unload old models to show new ones. Most people can never see the entire Guidestone mart at any given time. Looking at the game radar will confirm the huge gap between on-screen models and actual PCs.

[Alhanelem]

Most people can never see the entire Guidestone mart at any given time.While we do have some bazaars there, most of ours have historically been in upper jeuno. These days there are quite a few in ru'lude since some people have made that their home area.

[Cream_Soda]

Fair enough, but still goes w/ the "lag free" portion of his rant

[Cljader1]

I love bismark, and the rolanmart we have, rolanmart has evolved from its tax evasive start to now being a place where you can meet most of your non-auctionable needs all in one place. That's why its popular and will remain popular on bismark.

[Alhanelem]

When I say "lag" it doesn't mean "low FPS." it means "lag."

That being said, you can have very modern hardware and still get FPS drops in this game, it's so horribly inefficient and doesn't use multiple cores, so use a high resolution and have shadows on and even a pretty modern PC will drop the FPS. Hell, I can run 2 other games at the same time, neither one getting FPS drops, and FFXI's FPS is the only one that ever drops.

[Kaisha]

Is there any particular reason why the devs never bothered with a means of bringing bazaar handling over to the server, rather than players keeping accounts logged in 24/7 which just puts more stress on the server?

It can't be that hard for them to have an NPC (or MH moogle) you can initiate before you log-off that keeps track of your currently bazaar'd items, and lists them on a dedicated section of the AH for bazaar'd items. The current means is just so archaic, especially with the client engine limits.

[Godofgods]

Honestly I'm finding that bazaaring is happening less and less

You need glasses then galka. Granted it might just be your server, but i know on odin, bazzars are absolutly every where.


Yes, apparently bismark is the only server that likes terrible ideas. I'm glad I'm not on that server if being there means having to walk to the end of town and zone out to go shopping.

Now i realize that running down the street for a min and zoneing is brutal, pains-taking work these days, but just think of the exercise youll get!!

Basicly anywhere the mass bazzars gather will have lag issues. Id rather have that just outside of town then inside it. Its annoying as hell trying to get something done in town but you cant because npcs wont load up, or you cant see ppl.

Im not sure how the taxes are implemented (city wide, or zone wide) but id even settle for taxes in ru'lude/lower/port jeuno. And let the bazars all stick to upper. That way they can still have access to /yell commands in the city, but be out of most ppls way.

[tyrantsyn]

I love to see the return of the Rolan~mart's. Use to be some what of a treat to head out there and see all the shinny toy's every ones was selling. With out the hassle of lag. Tho I doubt they'd institute a city tax just to force players out there.

[Taint2]

I love to see the return of the Rolan~mart's. Use to be some what of a treat to head out there and see all the shinny toy's every ones was selling. With out the hassle of lag. Tho I doubt they'd institute a city tax just to force players out there.


I prefer Rolan mart as well, but the original tax was to get people out of Jeuno, I don't see why they couldn't do it again. It would really help spread out Jeuno.

[Ryce]

I very rarely find myself shopping as a primary activity. If I'm browsing bazaars, or the AH for that matter, it's usually while waiting for an attractive shout or a reply to my own shout. If I have to go outside the city, I'll probably never see those bazaars.

I wouldn't mind a tax in Port Jueno and Gardens. Keep the bazaars in Upper, the Magian in Gardens, the pick up groups in Port, and the poor, lost souls in Lower.

[Divinius]

Sorry Alhanelem, I'm going to have to adamantly disagree with you on this one. Having bazaar mules outside of the city was far superior to having them clogging up a town zone. I can't stand trying to browse bazaars in Upper Jeuno, when it was infinitely easier to tab around the group in Rolanberrry.

Also, since Port Jeuno is the new congregation point, having bazaars one zone away in Rolanberry would actually be closer than where they currently are, 2 zones away in Upper.

I would be all for reinstatement of the Jeuno tax to remove them from the cities once again.

[Eric]

Why should I have to walk out of town to shop bazaars when they can be in town and I don't have to walk as far or zone out? I was SO HAPPY when the tax removal made bazaars move back inside.

But I thought you liked running long distances for no real reason? Or does that only apply when you want to troll a thread about teleporting directly to BCNMs?

[Vyvian]

Sorry Alhanelem, I'm going to have to adamantly disagree with you on this one. Having bazaar mules outside of the city was far superior to having them clogging up a town zone. I can't stand trying to browse bazaars in Upper Jeuno, when it was infinitely easier to tab around the group in Rolanberrry.

Also, since Port Jeuno is the new congregation point, having bazaars one zone away in Rolanberry would actually be closer than where they currently are, 2 zones away in Upper.

I would be all for reinstatement of the Jeuno tax to remove them from the cities once again.

I agree that having all the bazaars in 1 place made looking for something vastly easier, but there are inconveniences with going outside. The most obvious of having to run there. The 2nd being that while going through 200 bazaars will probably take a decent chunk of time, you can't see any shouts/yells you might be looking for (Voidwatch, etc) while you're outside of the city.

I feel at the very least, bazaars should be moved out of Ru'Lude Gardens and Port Jeuno. Port Jeuno's lag comes from a large number of issues, Abyssea npcs, AH, bazaars, BS/KS/KC/HKC npcs. However I feel tax in only Port Jeuno, similar to the ideas suggested by the devs (AH tax, bazaar tax in Port only) would cause a shift of everything to Ru'Lude Gardens, since it also has all of the npcs (except the seal npcs), and the Magian Moogles. So in an attempt to divide everything, they should make it so the popular place to bazaar does not have Abyssea warp npcs in it, and that might split up some of the traffic.

[Belmonts]

I totally agree with outside town bazaars, Port Jeuno is a nightmare with all the afk bazaar characters trying to load. That is one of the main reasons I don't have my character on Jeuno, cus the awful lag. Also because many players choose to make their home point at Port Jeuno too.

Rather being on my main city and see the shouts/yells from an internet page.

[Alhanelem]

I love to see the return of the Rolan~mart's. Use to be some what of a treat to head out there and see all the shinny toy's every ones was selling. With out the hassle of lag. Tho I doubt they'd institute a city tax just to force players out there.
How does the bazaars being in town make the toys any less shiny? There is always going to be a little "lag" (STOP CALLING IT LAG, ITS NOT LAG IT'S POOR PERFORMANCE / LOW FPS!) wherever the bazaars go- it's not any less unpleasant outside than in.


I prefer Rolan mart as well, but the original tax was to get people out of Jeuno, I don't see why they couldn't do it again.Wrong, the original point of the tax was simply a gil sink and to avoid undermining the auction houess, which also charged a fee. It was the players who decided to take measures to avoid it.

If they should do anything at all, it's lift the tax on the chocobo circuit and turn those rooms full of AH windows into actual AH windows. It may as well end up being a centralized hub of activity, maybe then people might even actually do chocobo racing...

Most of this wouldn't actually be a problem if people spread out to each area of jeuno instead of everyone setting HP in port. Some people have moved to ru'lude, but usually there's nothing in Upper except the bazaars (on shiva) and the people looking at them, and lower jeuno doesn't fare much better.

[blowfin]

Bazaars in Jeuno wouldn't bother me so much if people didn't fill a large amount of them with utter crap, like heart chocolates with maxed out prices one million gil cookies and etc. Basically if you do that, you can GFY.

Some of the (old school i'm guessing) JP Shiva population bazaar in Upper Jeuno, much less of a clusterf**k.

[Alhanelem]

Everyone was there for a while, then after a while they began to disperse, with some moving to port and others to ru'lude.


Bazaars in Jeuno wouldn't bother me so much if people didn't fill a large amount of them with utter crap, like heart chocolates with maxed out prices one million gil cookies From day 1 of the game's launch this has driven me crazy. I don't care if you have some sellable uber peice of armor you're not wearing that you just want to show off- don't put up a bazaar if you don't want to sell stuff. Some people say they do it to prevent accidental dropping of items. It's such a hassle to do it that way that it makes a lot more sense to just store that stuff in your storage or mog safe or sack or satchel or locker where you can't directly throw stuff away either...

[tyrantsyn]

How does the bazaars being in town make the toys any less shiny? There is always going to be a little "lag" (STOP CALLING IT LAG, ITS NOT LAG IT'S POOR PERFORMANCE / LOW FPS!) wherever the bazaars go- it's not any less unpleasant outside than in.

=.

Rage much over nothing?

Here a suggestion that my be far fetch but maybe could have some merit. How about just adding a new zone to jeuno specific to bazaar in. You could just make it devoid of anything else so the congestion would stay down when It comes to traffic. You could still catch shout's, and they could even add a option to leave from you MH right into the zone. Which could cut down on the lazy man's walking time. You could put the entrance down at the bottom of port jeuno, across for the Qufim zone. Have the area display as a port. With ships coming and going.

[Alhanelem]

Here a suggestion that my be far fetch but maybe could have some merit. How about just adding a new zone to jeuno specific to bazaar in.I'd honestly rather them remove the tax on the chocobo circuit- After all, the auction houses have been unified and you can use them from every city, why not the same thing for bazaars?

[Sapphire]

I have a Star Sapphire I bazaar for max gil, but only when I'm actually selling something else. It's dorky and inv -1, but given my name it just makes me smile. :)

[Cljader1]

Rolanmart is fine the way it is, I honestly don't see anything wrong with it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

People should just use the Chocobo Circuit. Every mule can access it, and every nation in the game can zone there. Not like that location is being used for anything else these days.

Just need to add a Nomad Moogle and dbox NPC.

Also use the unused counters for AH and one of those men that give you BCNM orbs. I would also argue for an Outpost Teleport guy that works regardless your allegiance.

Just dump the entire Chocobo rubbish so it's mostly empty from NPC's and it's the perfect zone.

[blowfin]

I have a Star Sapphire I bazaar for max gil, but only when I'm actually selling something else. It's dorky and inv -1, but given my name it just makes me smile. :)

Depends if you go afk and bazaar. If that's the case: when your items have been purchased by someone, you're still standing around with your bazaar icon up with NOTHING for sale.


Some people say they do it to prevent accidental dropping of items. It's such a hassle to do it that way that it makes a lot more sense to just store that stuff in your storage or mog safe or sack or satchel or locker where you can't directly throw stuff away either...

Yeah, it used to be a valid reason before satchel and locker. Not that I mind if people run around the rest of the game with maxed out items in their bazaars, but when vanity interferes with my PJ shopping time...:mad:

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Honestly I'm finding that bazaaring is happening less and less because few items in the game sell for a high enough value to where the AH fees become a problem, and all that's left is currency and a handful of other non-AHable items.If you look, realy look, around 60% of the people in port jeuno alone are bazaars.

[Alhanelem]

If you look, realy look, around 60% of the people in port jeuno alone are bazaars.
Not on Shiva. There are a few, mind you, but what bazaars we do have are all over jeuno (mainly lower/rulude), not just in port.

[tyrantsyn]

You wanna know something sad, I didn't even realize there was a zone for the circuit. I always saw the arch and just figured it was another window or something like the AH. Honestly after I got a decent speed Chocobo I never bother with the mess after that. If there a mostly unused zone there? Yeah I'd say move it in there.

[Sapphire]

Depends if you go afk and bazaar. If that's the case: when your items have been purchased by someone, you're still standing around with your bazaar icon up with NOTHING for sale.



I'm on a laptop, I avoid afking as much as possible. I also rarely bazaar, heh. Pretty much every time whatever random non-npcable thing I have there gets purchased in front of me... even if it takes a while!

[Sparthos]

You wanna know something sad, I didn't even realize there was a zone for the circuit. I always saw the arch and just figured it was another window or something like the AH. Honestly after I got a decent speed Chocobo I never bother with the mess after that. If there a mostly unused zone there? Yeah I'd say move it in there.

You've been missing out man. My chocobo is a beast once it gets red shells to take out the leaders in the race, banana peels to trip up the competition and lightning bolts to shrink everyone.

Rainbow Road, 150CC.

[tyrantsyn]

You've been missing out man. My chocobo is a beast once it gets red shells to take out the leaders in the race, banana peels to trip up the competition and lightning bolts to shrink everyone.

Rainbow Road, 150CC.

If only if it was like that, we'd probably spend more time doing it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not on Shiva. There are a few, mind you, but what bazaars we do have are all over jeuno (mainly lower/rulude), not just in port.Here they are so many that they are starting to leech over and conjest lower as well.

[Arcon]

As was said before, this was a player-initiated method to avoid Jeuno tax, there's nothing SE can "bring back".

On Leviathan it's in Upper Jeuno atm, and I prefer it that way, both as a buyer as well as a seller. Takes less time travelling there and don't have to zone out and miss shouts/yells. The lag (yes, lag is actually the correct term, both for connection delay as well as hardware delay) is about the same, there's not many NPCs in Upper Jeuno in the area where most Bazaars are these days (and there's more NPCs outside now as well).

As for lagging the zone out for people passing through, what is there in Upper Jeuno that people need to do? The only problem I see with this is in Port Jeuno (and possibly Ru'Lude Gardens), but there's not nearly as many bazaars in either of these zones as people claim here. And even without any Bazaars Jeuno would be laggy as hell because people are lonely and love standing next to Horst and Joachim and pretend they're their friends.

[Alhanelem]

You've been missing out man. My chocobo is a beast once it gets red shells to take out the leaders in the race, banana peels to trip up the competition and lightning bolts to shrink everyone.

Rainbow Road, 150CC.
This is what everyone really wanted deep inside. I mean, it sort of has items, but people wanted it to be like mario kart, not like the kentucky derby.

[Haldarn]

Not on Shiva. There are a few, mind you, but what bazaars we do have are all over jeuno (mainly lower/rulude), not just in port.
Yes on Shiva. With 309 ppl in Port Jeuno, over one hundred ppl are afk bazaaring between the house and the entrance to the street, with the majority around the guide stone. And it's probably more because of the aforementioned 50 character limit, so there will be a ton I don't see. However, it is fun to argue against Tsuki for the sake of it so...

There are less in Upper Jeuno (120 ppl in zone, only about 50 bazaars). I always figures there were bazaars here so the would be picked up by the FFXI Bazaar website. Seems the chap running that site cancelled his subs back in Dec '11 though (shame :( ).

[Dragoy]

As was said before, this was a player-initiated method to avoid Jeuno tax, there's nothing SE can "bring back".
Sure they can.

How?
Well, don't you mention that yourself right there? o_o

Doesn't have to be Taxes though. It could be anything just to shoo people somewhere else.
As for me personally, I don't care much of them as I rarely even check them Bazaars so I wouldn't mind them not being in area I use (though I tend to prefer hanging around at Bastok).

They used to be at Sauromugue Champaign on Fenrir.
Haven't seen any there I think after the Taxes were removed, I think.
Not that I have checked for a while.

It would surely be nice if they still were in a place where the shouts or at least yells will be seen at. That said, I'd still prefer they'd be out of city areas since the game is made just so badly on that regard that issues arise from high number of player characters about. =/

[FrankReynolds]

They need to:
A) make the /yell function work in every city
B) make the chocobo circuit function like a hub (walk in from one city, walk out to another)
c) Add NPCs in the Circuit that function like an auction house, but deal only in currency, plates, alex, dice, mirrors etc.

[Alhanelem]

There are less in Upper Jeuno (120 ppl in zone, only about 50 bazaars).as a percentage, the number of bazaars is higher, and the number of people in that area that are actively browsing bazaars is also higher, because there are fewer other things to do in that area.

As covered earlier I wouldn't mind a dedicated purpose area (much preferable to an area with monsters in it- you can concievably kill bazaar people by dragging NMs over there), but we really already have the ideal area in the chocobo circuit because it can be accessed from every major city including aht urghan, and its currently a very low traffic area.

[Godofgods]

You've been missing out man. My chocobo is a beast once it gets red shells to take out the leaders in the race, banana peels to trip up the competition and lightning bolts to shrink everyone.

Rainbow Road, 150CC.

lol Now thats funny'

[Godofgods]

I'd honestly rather them remove the tax on the chocobo circuit-

Just because YOU dont race choco's, doesnt mean that other ppl dont.

[Alhanelem]

Just because YOU dont race choco's, doesnt mean that other ppl dont.
OK? I never said that nobody ever races chocobos. In fact, part of the idea of bazaaring in the chocobo circuit is that the chocobo circuit gets more exposure.

The central section and all the currently empty rooms would be great for trade.

[Godofgods]

They ever implement this? Or just something that slipped into the background again

[FrankReynolds]

They ever implement this? Or just something that slipped into the background again

If they would make it possible to travel from city to city by using the circuit, it would be fantastic for bazaar etc.. Not only that, but the added traffic might actually get a few more people to try racing.

Sadly, I think less and less people are playing, so the need to alleviate congestion has sort of waned.

[bungiefanNA]

There are less in Upper Jeuno (120 ppl in zone, only about 50 bazaars). I always figures there were bazaars here so the would be picked up by the FFXI Bazaar website. Seems the chap running that site cancelled his subs back in Dec '11 though (shame :( ).

GuildWork does the bazaar database automatically for FFXIAH now. As long as someone checking your bazaar has GuildWork running, your current location and Bazaar contents/pricing are updated on FFXIAH. It covers all servers that way. Dec. 2011 is when they implemented that feature, IIRC.

[Vivivivi]

On Quetz, people go to shop in upper jeuno, they craft in lower jeuno, and form parties in port jeuno. Don't really notice congestion or lag in any of these zones.

[Fupafighter]

Is there ever a thread that tahn doesn't try to argue? Rolanmart needs to come back. So hard to find people selling actual stuff in their bazaar. It's usually crap like flame geodes or lvl 10 gear. So annoiying.

[scaevola]

/sh hey dudes come check out my bazaar with a totally reasonable price on this item scaevola wants, conveniently located right over here at the guide stone, right next to literally 80 other people

[Chimerawizard]

I like the idea of a non-player bazaar system so I don't have to keep my computer running ffxi 24/7.
Oh and an increase in AH cap.

I'm thinking:

where? the mog house
how?

player with AH in mog house (logged in/out)
must select "Open Bazaar" option which locks him in the mog house til he closes it
searching player talks to moogle to warp him to "The Bazaar"
I'm thinking a zone just full of npc's with the player's names
zone: Fort Karugo-Narugo (there's unused teleports there. just lock the outside town part of the zone off)

This was a completely random thought i had while reading the thread.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

conveniently located right over here at the guide stone, right next to literally 80 other people

/ta dudesname


I like the idea of a non-player bazaar system so I don't have to keep my computer running ffxi 24/7.

We can call the system "Market Wards!"

[Basileus]

And even without any Bazaars Jeuno would be laggy as hell because people are lonely and love standing next to Horst and Joachim and pretend they're their friends.

This made me laugh. Sure seems that way :D

On subject, I liked Rolanmart when it was around. It seemed pretty easy to browse all the Bazaars and it did seem less laggy to me o.O. I have to admit though, that with /yell now, it's nice to still be in Jeuno in case something interesting pops up.

[Alhanelem]

It's was not less laggy, and sure as hell was NOT easy to browse the 32894 bazaars all clumped in one spot. Leaving the city to brows bazaars was stupid, removing the tax and bringing people inside was the best thing ever to happen to Jeuno.

[Caketime]

As a former Bismarck resident, I can confirm their fascination with terrible ideas.

[Vagrua]

Bumping this thread.


It's was not less laggy, and sure as hell was NOT easy to browse the 32894 bazaars all clumped in one spot. Leaving the city to brows bazaars was stupid, removing the tax and bringing people inside was the best thing ever to happen to Jeuno.

Having 100+ Bazaars clumped up at Mog House/Guide Stone in Port/Lower/Upper Jeuno is no better than the RolanMart was. Heck, the market was better in my view since the bazaars were more spread out.

I vote for taxes to be reimplemented.

[Demon6324236]

Honestly they should just add a zone, count it as part of Jeuno for /yell reasons, and make it an open area for people to shop from other players. It could be a zone just for that reason alone, at most add a few warp NPCs and a hope point. This would give everyone on every server an official shop zone in Jeuno, while shopping you can see yells from Jeuno thus missing out on nothing and allowing a central, out of the way place, where people can go. With that done, no area in Jeuno would be lagged thanks to hoards of afk players, bazaars would be easier to find, and I think the problem would be completely solved.

[Kaisha]

Honestly they should just add a zone, count it as part of Jeuno for /yell reasons, and make it an open area for people to shop from other players. It could be a zone just for that reason alone, at most add a few warp NPCs and a hope point. This would give everyone on every server an official shop zone in Jeuno, while shopping you can see yells from Jeuno thus missing out on nothing and allowing a central, out of the way place, where people can go. With that done, no area in Jeuno would be lagged thanks to hoards of afk players, bazaars would be easier to find, and I think the problem would be completely solved.
Make AH stalls usable in Chocobo Circuit, add it to /yell, add DBox NPC. Bam. New bazaar zone accessible from all nations.

[Demon6324236]

Yeah I was just meaning a zone used for nothing else, remember, SE probably thinks those zones are meaningful and used by many people.

[Vagrua]

I would be surprised to see SE make a zone dedicated to bazaarers. Not that it's a bad idea in anyway, just realistically thinking taxes being reimplemented should be a 5 minute task for them.

[Kaisha]

If they were to do a dedicated zone for it, they may as well rip off the market wards idea from XIV so you don't have to keep a mule logged in 24/7 to act as your shopkeep.

[Demon6324236]

If they were to do a dedicated zone for it, they may as well rip off the market wards idea from XIV so you don't have to keep a mule logged in 24/7 to act as your shopkeep.

Never played it, wouldn't know.

[Arcon]

If they were to do a dedicated zone for it, they may as well rip off the market wards idea from XIV so you don't have to keep a mule logged in 24/7 to act as your shopkeep.

This would be pretty awesome.

[Winrie]

Alha, while I understand you may not have liked the "inconvienience" of zoning out to rolanberry or wherever your bazaars were(I quit reading your posts cause you're always bellyaching about something) jueno having too many people to load all the bazaars is a problem sometimes. Just because you don't like what some people (obviously a majority) doesn't make it wrong. Perhaps stating your opinion such as "I don't like rolan/whateverzonemarts because x" not "no that's stupid, whoever liked this is an idiot rabblerabble" perhaps then more people would respect your opinion then if you quit blethering so much.

Anyway I'm all for tax coming back in jueno to filter out the mules, back during rolanmart days jueno wasn't as laggy with the mules outside and finding items to purchase from people was simple. Most bazaars on servers I hear are in port jueno from the guide stone all the way out towards Joachim, that's a wee bit lame. On my server specifically a chunk of particular ppl bazaar at the guide stone and all thru pj, which a chunk in rulude gardens. Not a big deal til you're practically swimming thru lagmules to get to the magian moogle, or anything in port related. Jueno tax plz.

[Mayoyama]

While we do have some bazaars there, most of ours have historically been in upper jeuno. These days there are quite a few in ru'lude since some people have made that their home area.

I'm on shiva.. and the use of bazaars in upper has diminished greatly... and I'll see maybe 10 bazaars in ru lude at any given time. 90% still in PJ...

[Annahya]

Yeah I was just meaning a zone used for nothing else, remember, SE probably thinks those zones are meaningful and used by many people.

Agreed. While I admit that this is unlikely to happen, I think it would be amazing. The addition of the "Jeuno Marketplace" or "Ru'Something Bazaar" might be fun, would ensure they were connected to /yell (if they were part of regional Jeuno), and might be able to assist in the meeting of buyer and seller.

Imagine a simple but attractive zone, textured and detailed similar to the Jeuno zones we have now, that is largely an open area - perhaps with some fountains, planters and trees for appearance and immersion - that has categories listed on the in-game map.

A "commons" could be in the center, for sellers with mixed inventories or who are less motivated to use the map's areas, with in-setting descriptions for gear, spawn-items, synthesis items, etc., located in various places on the map. That way, buyers and sellers could locate by business type to combat the model limit that plagues a pile of sellers in one spot.

Obviously I am being very general and vague, but I think it would not only be a fun way to combat the problems addressed in this thread, but also a way for the community to self-filter the process to match buyers with just the bazaars selling what they might be looking for. Incentive to use this kind of zone could be found in a reinstatement of the general Jeuno tax (perhaps even a stronger one) that does not apply in the "sanctioned marketplace."

Is it likely to happen? Perhaps not. But it is fun to dream.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm still curious as to what bizarre feat of programming led to a state of gaming where listing stuff on an auction house is more demanding on the servers than having a bunch of mules logged in bazaaring items 24/7. It seems like they could just make everything sellable on the auction house and eliminate 90% of the mules that are just hanging around.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Please add bazaar taxes back to jeuno.

[Calatilla]

Also, since Port Jeuno is the new congregation point, having bazaars one zone away in Rolanberry would actually be closer than where they currently are, 2 zones away in Upper.


Rolanberry is 2 zones away from Port, if you're talking about just zoning out then Sauromugue would be better than Rolanberry. Asura's Bazaars moved to gardens when we got invaded by pandy and most of them stay there, though PJ has its fair share of AFK'ers, and they`re usually asleep on top of Joachim.

[Sarick]

So.. has the Dev team made a decision on whether or not to bring this back yet?

While i didn't think it was necessary at first, with all the ppl selling various things like heavy metals and silver mirrors, And the shear number of ppl selling dynamis currency/items, the streets of Jeuno are getting quite flooded with afk bazaars. To the point now where i would support bringing it back.


Remove the taxes in Chocobo Circuit
Add the Jeuno yell's to Chocobo Circuit
Restore the taxes to Jeuno.

[Godofgods]

So.. has the Dev team made a decision on whether or not to bring this back yet?

Almost december... but my question from January still stands'

[FrankReynolds]

Almost december... but my question from January still stands'

They decided that the best option was to make a bunch of annoying changes and watch the population dwindle to manageable levels.

[Arcon]

They decided that the best option was to make a bunch of annoying changes and watch the population dwindle to manageable levels.

Maybe their goal is to get everyone on one server?

[FrankReynolds]

Maybe their goal is to get everyone on one server?

Maybe... to be honest, I think the only thing that actually keeps me interested in this game at all anymore is seeing how this pans out. I'm waiting to find out once and for all if they are truly evil geniuses, or if they are just completely inept. Sadly, I suspect they are a little of both.

[Damane]

Except thanks to Jeuno being the place to AFK, character models won't always load meaning you're SOL if your rig doesn't display all the bazaars.

Rolanberry Fields is completely empty, lag free and all mules are visible without having to move around to see the hidden models. Choco Circuit would be even more ideal but tax makes it a no-go.

thats what comment lines are there for and what ffxiah.com is there for so you can see who has what in bazaar. I dont see any need or desire to bring taxes back into jeuno

[Economizer]

Remove the taxes in Chocobo Circuit
Add the Jeuno yell's to Chocobo Circuit
Restore the taxes to Jeuno.


You'd be able to visit from anywhere, and it would finally be the universal area everyone was looking for.

[Godofgods]

thats what comment lines are there for and what ffxiah.com is there for so you can see who has what in bazaar. I dont see any need or desire to bring taxes back into jeuno

i honestly wouldnt mind the tax again. (how often do u get to hear that in life?) Im tired of all the afk bazzars everywhere. So many of em. Make things lag up a bit.

[Dragoy]

Yer. I as well am still of the opinion that they could be somewhere else than the (regular) Jeuno areas. An area exclusive for this would be perfect, but I do like the Chocobo Circuit as an idea as well.

I also think that, for obvious reasons, one should disregard any third-party services (such as the ffxiah) when thinking about this (and everything else that has to do with game development). While an exaggerated example, I think it is not far from saying “just use them cheats to win”, which is not making the game any better...

[Calatilla]

I can just see the dev's face palming right now with everyone asking for city tax to come back. 4yrs ago(i think) everyone was asking them to get rid of city tax so you didn't have to leave town to bazaar stuff, now you want a reversal? Make your minds up lol

I do agree with the chocobo circuit idea though, for the most part its a dead zone. This at least would give it a purpose.

[Lokithor]

I think SE should develop exclusive areas where people can afk themselves / mules for bazaar. Make it impossible to know what is being sold without clicking on every individual. Make the area have multiple zones, organized by the type of item you are selling. Then, eliminate all AH's and make this the sole means of selling stuff.

That's sure to be a big success.

[Infidi]

I think SE should develop exclusive areas where people can afk themselves / mules for bazaar. Make it impossible to know what is being sold without clicking on every individual. Make the area have multiple zones, organized by the type of item you are selling. Then, eliminate all AH's and make this the sole means of selling stuff.

That's sure to be a big success.
Character economy ftw? :P

[FrankReynolds]

Character economy ftw? :P

Pretty sure that was an FFXIV related bit of sarcasm.

[Infidi]

Pretty sure that was an FFXIV related bit of sarcasm.
I think both of ours was? XD At least mine was ... Confusion also ftw!

[Godofgods]

I can just see the dev's face palming right now with everyone asking for city tax to come back. 4yrs ago(i think) everyone was asking them to get rid of city tax so you didn't have to leave town to bazaar stuff, now you want a reversal? Make your minds up lol

I do agree with the chocobo circuit idea though, for the most part its a dead zone. This at least would give it a purpose.

yea, probably lol. It is kinda amusing tho.
I'm just tired of the over crowed areas full of afk bazzars.

I like the 'idea' of the choco circuit. I just don't like it actually being in that zone. Cause then anyone that wants to go race a choco is now going to have to deal with massive lag.

[Ordoric]

na upper will be fixed on leviathan