Blu Tp Set and WS set Suggestions for upgrade :D

[Oricimaru]

Hey everyone, My LS decided that im the main blu for Abyssea/VW (even tho i get nothing good for drops) I think my Set up is decent just need some suggestions on which pieces i need to swap out for something better.
TP:
Main: Str Samshir( in progress at +4 str atm)
Sub: Varies between Eva and Isador
Ammo: Attack Bomb
Head: Mavi +2
Neck: Chiv Chain
Earrings: Suppa/Brutal
Body: Mavi +2
Hands: Ocelot Gloves
Rings: Rajas/Heed
Back: Aething (sp?)
Belt: Twilight
Legs: Mavi +2
Feet: Mavi +1 (this needs to be changed not sure to what tho XD)
I am Working on my Almace, At the time of me writing this i need 8 more helms for Base. if i mathed it right its 24-26% hastecould be wrong tho. Any Suggestions would be Awsome.
Thanks in Advance
Oric

[Lukielucas]

You're being vague about the set you are looking for, which WS set you looking for as each WS has it's own modifier so again you kinda need to say what WS set you looking for

[Tashan]

Hey everyone, My LS decided that im the main blu for Abyssea/VW (even tho i get nothing good for drops) I think my Set up is decent just need some suggestions on which pieces i need to swap out for something better.
TP:
Main: Str Samshir( in progress at +4 str atm)
Sub: Varies between Eva and Isador
Ammo: Attack Bomb
Head: Mavi +2
Neck: Chiv Chain
Earrings: Suppa/Brutal
Body: Mavi +2
Hands: Ocelot Gloves
Rings: Rajas/Heed
Back: Aething (sp?)
Belt: Twilight
Legs: Mavi +2
Feet: Mavi +1 (this needs to be changed not sure to what tho XD)
I am Working on my Almace, At the time of me writing this i need 8 more helms for Base. if i mathed it right its 24-26% hastecould be wrong tho. Any Suggestions would be Awsome.
Thanks in Advance
Oric

First aim would be to try and cap out equipment haste. You're missing 3%. Easiest way to cap this ignoring VW options for you would be to buy a Hasty Pinion and Aurore Feet. From there you can begin to adjust the build from whatever new stuff you get. I would actually say to not get the Hasty Pinion and go for Dusk Gloves +1, but the previous 2 options are so cheap they're practically free.

Buy a Rancor Collar if you can afford it and replace with Chiv Chain.

Use 2 STR Shamshir's over any other option, unless that option is an Almace.

The everything else is just a natural progression as you get more gear.

If you want help with other sets, let us know.

[Oricimaru]

Sorry lol, atm i use Req on Eles and i have a set for that but i use Vorpal till i get my Almace, and a haste Pinion? and ill Post my WS set when i get home at work :P.

[Prothscar]

Do not wear a Hasty Pinion. Just buy some Dusk ledelsends and Dusk Gloves +1, they're cheap now. if you can't afford those, get Aurore feet and keep the Ocelots. The fraction of 1% haste is not worth the loss of 5 Store TP on the Pinion in the latter set.

[Tashan]

I brainfarted.

Reason I suggested Hasty Pinion was because I thought he actually wasn't losing a hit from the -5 STP considering DW3, Store TP and Suppa along with his gear.

But I forgot he was using Chiv Chain, and that 1 STP actually pushes him to 18 hits. So having a Hasty Pinion does hurt.

However, once that Chiv Chain is gone (and it should) Hasty Pinion is a free 1%.

[Oricimaru]

If you do not mind me asking, Whats a Hasty Pinion? Also i was told that the Rancor neck was only good as a macro piece, Was i misinformed?

[Transmit]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/19778/hasty-pinion

1% haste ammo, comes with -5 store tp though.

[Oricimaru]

I see.. Thanks for the input, Now i was told my ocelots are not good for a CW burn, but imho they are decent because of the dex, am i missing something here or something?

[Transmit]

More the fact that BLU has better options when it comes to magic damage. Namely their AF3+2 hands, which sport a whopping +10 magic attack bonus, even the +1 would be better.

[Dreamin]

Not sure about other BLU but if you're BLU'ing for VW, you're just there as proc monkey. Set 3-4 full element and wait for the call for it. Depending on the NMs, you probably need to be in the backline then in the front (nothing worst than having an HQ proc for a person and they're dead without RR).

As for Abyssea, ppl still do Abyssea as an LS event? At least with Abyssea, you can actually set all elements and still have a few slots left to use. But since most of your useful/regular spells won't be set, again you'll be just wasting ppl's MP in curing you (I'm assuming your Abyssea LS does NMs inside with more than 3 ppl). Plus, you'll just be feeding TP and if you're the main DD for any Abyssea run, then you'll need to reconsider jobs/another LS tbh. But chances are that you're only there to proc (yellow) and on the off chance that they need someone else to proc Sword/Clubs (blue or red). Remember, if you're looking to proc, you're looking for the least amount of dmg and least amount of TP feeding. Most NMs in there are too easy to kill by accident now so you actually need to gimp yourself if you are trying to proc things.

So if anything, you should be looking at WS/TP set not for VW or Abyssea (proc) but more likely where else you want to use your BLU at. But if all your BLU are for VW/Abyssea, then you'll be wasting your time tbh.

[Transmit]

That is horrible advice to give about VW, even if you're dragged along just for proc's a good BLU can put out impressive numbers and really contribute to damage more so than a lot of other jobs could.

BLU/war with an Almace, set triple attack, dual wield 3, a few utility spells and keep the rest free for proc's. Use good food and stalwarts and you're able to do some highly impressive attacks. I've not tried the new 99 tier mobs yet, but the old tier Pil, Kaggen, Akvan, Qilin etc my BLU could easily average 1700~ CDC's on them, even at the 95 cap. I'm not saying you'll beat the core DD jobs, but you can be so much more than just a "proc monkey". And with the arrival of the latest hint KI I can go 2-3 fights at times without hearing "HV/EV BLU!".

If you can't melee the mob? Change up your atmacites, gear for nukes, and contribute with Dark Orb and Regurg and the likes. Theres no point coming along to be a dead weight for proc's only, and you may as well play the job to the best of its ability.

I know within my LS I've slowly graduated from being shoved in the BLM party, to being accepted into the main DD parties (Cor and brd buffs! huzzah) due to how well I've been doing.

Edit - Also when it comes to Abyssea you realise that you only need 3 spells for yellow procs, the current day's element, the next days element, and the day prior's element. Theres no reason to keep all 8 spells equipped for Abyssea.

[Dreamin]

Not sure if you noticed or not, but the Op does not have an Almace (or even a fake Almace) in his list of weapons. Maybe he's working on one but until he does, he's only going to be feeding TP to the NM without doing much dmg up front at all for VW.

People are asking for advise based on what they currently have not on what's the 'best way' to go about doing things.

As for Abyssea Proc, maybe it's been too long since I last done any magic proc'ing in there but I do not believe Abyssea within the Hero zones follow the same pre-current-next day magic for magic proc. [Not a 100% really since it's literally been months since I last done anything meaningful in Abyssea].

Either way though, in any LS event, I would think there would be more than 6+ ppl, having too many ppl on NMs in Abyssea when you're trying to proc is a bad ideas because:
- you're feeding it too much TP while you wait for proc.
- you run the risk of killing it before you get your proc.

There might be maybe 2-3 NMs left that cannot be killed by 1 or 2 DDs at most now a day in Abyssea.

[Oricimaru]

Thanks for all the advice, Blu is my Main job i like to be on and yea i try to help by either throwing on my +MND/Cure Pot Set and help my pt out and the like.

I currently have a Almace (80) and im working on Skins right now. and to answer your question Dreamin, Yes my LS thinks of it this way.. Why shout for randoms and hope to god you get some people who know what they are doing ( not saying people are stupid.. just a little... Slow) and when we go for Emps or +2's we have 18 pop sets to get items from instead of 6 or 7 from a PUG. Little more efficient having all three partied rotate NM's and get a serperate KI so it moves faster.

Anouther question if you do not mind me asking >.>? Last night i got told that the Rancor Collar was bad to TP in and should only be used as a WS piece? i just wanna make sure im getting the best possible setup with what gear i have lol. I Take BLU Very seriously and would like to be one of those people can count on for advice.

Thanks
~~Oricimaru~~

[Transmit]

Not sure if you noticed or not, but the Op does mention in his post that he is working on Almace, and just about finished the level 80 version (EDIT - And finished th 80 while I was replying!). Which is really less than a weeks work away from the 85 version. I agree though if you don't have access to CDC, Vorpal blade won't stack up on major VW mobs.

In all abyssea zones the yellow proc's work the same way. I can totally assure you on that one. And I also agree in Abyssea you don't want too many people on it until you proc, and you don't need too many people on it anyway since most of the content is easy. But I wasnt argueing that point.

[Prothscar]

Not sure about other BLU but if you're BLU'ing for VW, you're just there as proc monkey. Set 3-4 full element and wait for the call for it. Depending on the NMs, you probably need to be in the backline then in the front (nothing worst than having an HQ proc for a person and they're dead without RR).

As for Abyssea, ppl still do Abyssea as an LS event? At least with Abyssea, you can actually set all elements and still have a few slots left to use. But since most of your useful/regular spells won't be set, again you'll be just wasting ppl's MP in curing you (I'm assuming your Abyssea LS does NMs inside with more than 3 ppl). Plus, you'll just be feeding TP and if you're the main DD for any Abyssea run, then you'll need to reconsider jobs/another LS tbh. But chances are that you're only there to proc (yellow) and on the off chance that they need someone else to proc Sword/Clubs (blue or red). Remember, if you're looking to proc, you're looking for the least amount of dmg and least amount of TP feeding. Most NMs in there are too easy to kill by accident now so you actually need to gimp yourself if you are trying to proc things.

So if anything, you should be looking at WS/TP set not for VW or Abyssea (proc) but more likely where else you want to use your BLU at. But if all your BLU are for VW/Abyssea, then you'll be wasting your time tbh.

There are NMs in Abyssea that require more than one DD?

If you're unable to DD on BLU, then I do believe that it's you that needs to reconsider your jobs/your LS. BLU is one of the top five most effective damage dealers in the game, and while it won't come close to matching a DD like MNK, SAM, or WAR, it can pull its own while providing the utilities that a BLU can provide. Suck less.


@Oricimaru: TP in Rancor Collar. Situations where you will be unable to are limited, and I suggest finding new support if you can't at all.

[Oricimaru]

Thank you everyone for your input its GREATLY appreciated:D. Hopefully soon i can get the Bonnet from Yannei. Thanks for all your Help.

Have Fun :D
Oricimaru

[Afania]

Not sure if you noticed or not, but the Op does not have an Almace (or even a fake Almace) in his list of weapons. Maybe he's working on one but until he does, he's only going to be feeding TP to the NM without doing much dmg up front at all for VW.

People are asking for advise based on what they currently have not on what's the 'best way' to go about doing things.

As for Abyssea Proc, maybe it's been too long since I last done any magic proc'ing in there but I do not believe Abyssea within the Hero zones follow the same pre-current-next day magic for magic proc. [Not a 100% really since it's literally been months since I last done anything meaningful in Abyssea].

Either way though, in any LS event, I would think there would be more than 6+ ppl, having too many ppl on NMs in Abyssea when you're trying to proc is a bad ideas because:
- you're feeding it too much TP while you wait for proc.
- you run the risk of killing it before you get your proc.

There might be maybe 2-3 NMs left that cannot be killed by 1 or 2 DDs at most now a day in Abyssea.

There are NO REASON for you to sit and do nothing since it's not always blu proc. Even without almace. Most of the VWNM die in 2 min nowadays, and if you hit white proc you cap lights instantly, and proc spells isn't always BLU. TP feed isn't really a huge deal if pt can keep getting proc and stunned it, with full time fanatic. VW is about killing as fast as possible after proc, so any additional dmg(even if it's not a lot) would just increase the efficency and get everyone more chance for the ex/rare drops. You won't die while meleeing on the NM if you know what you're doing, just have to pay attention to fanatic/fool duration.

If you have almace and want to melee the NM? Sure, but even if you don't, there are still no reason to sit back and do nothing when you can help the pt kill faster and save everyone's time. My highest Vorpal on Qilin is 1.3k on my average geared BLU(doesn't even have a dedicated WS set and 0 STR merit, pretty sure a well geared BLU can do a lot more), is it "good dmg" compare with Ukko? No, but it's better than nothing.

[Prothscar]

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BLU can't DD guys, it's impossible.

[Oricimaru]

Well i just want to say Thanks for all the Advice from everyone :D... BTW i hate SOBEK

[saevel]

I would be very careful about where and when you TP in Rancor Collar. Proth's advice is always in a "perfect world" scenario where everyone has their own private WHM and MP is unlimited. In reality, well virtual reality of a fantasy game, people are not all perfect at their jobs and you won't have an army of WHM's to personally provide you with Cure spam. That extra +10% damage taken can get you killed, and dead DD's deal no damage.

Basically, if your with a PUG full of people you don't know or trust then don't use Rancor neck. If your with people that are experienced arse kicking mofo's, then use Rancor neck. Best way to look at it.

[Prothscar]

You shouldn't need cure spam in Voidwatch, nor Abyssea. Where else will the 10% DT be a factor?

[Defiledsickness]

even with only 2 parties on a T6 we kill it fast enough. i agree blu is good dmg but i dont know too often when you need it. typically we dont hit the 100% proc so we're trying to find them (and you dont always have every job). imo it's not a good idea to tell people to run up and fight.

if you have temps and will actually use them, then go ahead and help the dmg flow. but when i have to raise you every 10 seconds that's when you sit your butt in the corner and just do procs. if you want the top spot in parse go compete somewhere else, dont mess with my horrible gear drop rates :P

that's the attitude i'd rather leave in this thread. now if DDing is appropriate, we can discuss how to do so. MAB blu is great as well for VW and you can survive much easier. but as a Blu you dont always need to DD, sometimes the damage is fine or blitz only. once you have 350% proc's then please do help kill the mob, these guys have a lot of hp.

[Tashan]

even with only 2 parties on a T6 we kill it fast enough. i agree blu is good dmg but i dont know too often when you need it. typically we dont hit the 100% proc so we're trying to find them (and you dont always have every job). imo it's not a good idea to tell people to run up and fight.

if you have temps and will actually use them, then go ahead and help the dmg flow. but when i have to raise you every 10 seconds that's when you sit your butt in the corner and just do procs. if you want the top spot in parse go compete somewhere else, dont mess with my horrible gear drop rates :P

that's the attitude i'd rather leave in this thread.

I see your arguement and raise you a "Fanatics Drink".

I think I win. :D


MAB blu is great as well for VW and you can survive much easier. but as a Blu you dont always need to DD, sometimes the damage is fine or blitz only. once you have 350% proc's then please do help kill the mob, these guys have a lot of hp.

Melee BLU is better than MAB. Dusty Wing spam ftw.

[Defiledsickness]

if you have an almace it is (and depending on mob), i never cared for mab on blu but it is an option.

and yes when you consistently hit the procs and can keep your temps up, then swing away! but when you go a few min without hitting any procs you cant pull a drink out of your butt.

[SpankWustler]

I would be very careful about where and when you TP in Rancor Collar. Proth's advice is always in a "perfect world" scenario where everyone has their own private WHM and MP is unlimited. In reality, well virtual reality of a fantasy game, people are not all perfect at their jobs and you won't have an army of WHM's to personally provide you with Cure spam. That extra +10% damage taken can get you killed, and dead DD's deal no damage.

Basically, if your with a PUG full of people you don't know or trust then don't use Rancor neck. If your with people that are experienced arse kicking mofo's, then use Rancor neck. Best way to look at it.

Let's go all the way in this direction!

There's one White Mage and he or she has a turnip where modern medicine believes the human brain should be. The group is barely competent at making !!'s appear over the monster's head and rarely has fanatic's drinks available as a result. The Blue Mage in question has just discovered how to properly mix a drink of liquid Demerol and malt liquor, and thus his or her reflexes are too slow to swap into -PDT% or -MDT% equipment. Also, something is on fire in the kitchen. Maybe more than one thing.

In this situation, it doesn't matter what one has equipped because one is dead 90% of the time. I guess I'd recommend something that allows one to log out faster, but no such bonuses exist at present.

The problem with assuming a situation will be non-ideal is that there are a couple hundred different levels of non-ideal and you're then forced to pick one. It's impossible to say what the "average" situation is across all groups across all servers.

[Prothscar]

Not entirely sure what I just read but that was the best way of putting it, thanks Spank.

[Defiledsickness]

you guys are being ridiculous here is my LS;
http://www.ffxiah.com/linkshell/Asura/LosNoobs

we go from 2nd - 4th depending how actively the top ls's recruit (we are a closed LS with members taking month-at-a-time breaks). we fought Ocythoe with 12 people (1blm didnt even know what Enmity Douse was, not a LS member btw). We fought him 3 times and won each time with full procs. oh and the thf only had TH3-4 proc'd.

the pld was pretty much the only one on him full time and a nin ran in to fight (or more so ran out of the fight during tp moves when he could). i raised him a million times which was fine because it easy to keep him enfeebled on rdm and our single whm was fine healing the pld. i think we also had a rng doing dmg, a brd to buff pld and 2 or 3 blm doing procs/damage/stunning. we had long periods of no procs so no fanatics drinks. i could keep up with healing the nin if i stopped procing but not another dd.

this was a top jeuno tier VWNM and we had no time problems. but its not as easy as just sitting there spamming CDC, unless you are pld. (ochain at that and occ. he takes away sword/shield slots. though the pld never died.)

[Tashan]

It's fun to be ridiculous sometimes.

But yeah, I totally understand what you're saying Defiled.

[Prothscar]

The problem in that scenario wouldn't be Rancor Collar, it'd be a horrible setup.

[Defiledsickness]

but that's my point. that's a real situation people are getting bored with VW, ffxi, or just dont want to stay for all 30runs.

even with a full alliance we dont hit a proc every 30 seconds allowing for seamless fanatics use. and even so; this is one endgame activity when the new nyzul isle comes out im sure you wont be hitting the invincible button every 10seconds. using fanatics isnt a BLU magic spell its a temp item.

all im saying is take into account there are times when one strategy wont be 100% perfect. thus the reason for my posts. now hopefully we can quit arguing.

[Prothscar]

Even supposing you have a very limited number of Fanatic's Drinks, that 10% DT won't be making much of a difference for a competent player. If it's bad enough that it will be causing problems, you shouldn't have melee on the mob en masse to begin with.

[Tashan]

I have no worries for -10% DT.

If it doesn't kill me, I'll be healed. If it's not straight away I'll step out of range until I am.

If getting cured by someone else is unlikely, I'll use my two Lucid Potions II.

If that's not enough, I'll step out of range, take of Store TP and put on Magic Fruit.

Even without Fanatics.

[Defiledsickness]

if i had a rancor collar i'd most likely add it to my cdc macro (maybe leave it out for abyssea). but for VW i'd probably put it in satchel because i filter a lot during VW and usually take a ton of dmg (rarely die tho). however i dont play blu very much for VW only some pugs.

haha!

In order to create battles that can be completed without relying on temporary items, we are planning to revamp weaknesses as well as adjust the distribution of temporary items.
lol

[Oricimaru]

Hey i need help with my PDT-% set, trying to make it for a few reasons, CW Cleaving and VW mainly :D.
Main: Terra's Staff
Sub: Spear Strap (no PDT-% i can find on grip)
Ammo: Suggestions??
Helm: Darksteel Cap (no +1s on the AH as of yet)
Neck: Twilight Tourqe
Earring 1: Brutal Earring
Earring 2: Suppa
Body: Darksteel Harness
Hands: Denali Wristbands
Rings1&2: Dark Rings( one has -5 and one is -6%
Back: Cheviot Cape
Waist: Siegel Sash
Legs: working on ASA legs for -8% but atm its Mavi +2
Feet: Darksteel Leggings+1
Any Suggestions would be helpful, i do not mind dropping certain pieces if needed.

Thanks
Oricimaru

[Defiledsickness]

you could try to grab an Umbra cape, i Think there's a waist with pdt that blu can wear now and i think it's AH'able. Colossus Earring is -1% (from alexander prime fight).

[Transmit]

Flume belt is the waist piece, but it's a pricey bit. -4% PDT

[Neisan_Quetz]

PDT Shikargar/Genbu's or another mainhand sword (if you really want) and melaco mittens is all I can think of.

[Tashan]

Would highly recommend going into 2x PDT Shikargar's rather than Terra's. If you using this set for VW, I assume you're intending to do some form of tanking. The majority of your Enmity is going to come your damage, notably physical spells and you can't land those consistently with the accuracy of a Staff.

[VZX]

Full timing Fanatic's drink and call it tanking >.>. Yes, the fact tanking in VW is as ridiculously easy as that, I hardly see any point wielding 2x PDT sword for any practical uses in VW.

[Tashan]

Full timing Fanatic's drink and call it tanking >.>. Yes, the fact tanking in VW is as ridiculously easy as that, I hardly see any point wielding 2x PDT sword for any practical uses in VW.


Hey i need help with my PDT-% set,


you can't land those consistently with the accuracy of a Staff.

Its that simple

[Defiledsickness]

i'd imagine the set is for CW burns if it includes an Earth Staff. I'd use a pdt sword + shield because you would have to hit your macro twice to equip 2x Swords with the same name. unless windower doesn't have this problem (my dark rings always have this problem but i dont have good ones yet anyways.)

[Tashan]

Hmm I can see that, but the only time you need to equip -PDT is before a pull, which I would just do manually (gamepad). Other than that, you only need to macro in Jupiters Staff unless you need to use Whirl of Rage.

[Defiledsickness]

typically when im online i need to be doing events or leveling so i've only done CW burns twice. so i need to hit my pdt macro a few times due to not 1-shotting mobs. although i havent tried since CW first came out so it's probably easy to 1-shot now (especially since i have better atmas and gear).

so for starters its good to be set up for Just In Case moments.

[Tashan]

^


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Defiled, didn't you use to be a taru?

[Tanakisnumberone]

hello some advise from me. u need to start trail of magicians, get two macc sticks as this will provide u wit mp to use spells and macc to land ur spells. n then u need to tailor ur gear arund mp and dmg so u will get the best of both wurlds since u can cast a lot more spells.

[Transmit]

Well at least obvious troll is obvious.

[VZX]

Its that simple
My point is that VW shouldn't be in any scope for discussion on practical use of -PDT set.

[Defiledsickness]

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Defiled, didn't you use to be a taru?

yes but i didnt pay for my accounts this month and it doesnt let you use your account unless its paid up. my mule was still active until like the 23rd tho so it just switched.

[Prothscar]

My point is that VW shouldn't be in any scope for discussion on practical use of -PDT set.

What? If anything VW is one of the most practical applications of a PDT set. You won't always have Fanatics/Fools 24/7.

[VZX]

What? If anything VW is one of the most practical applications of a PDT set. You won't always have Fanatics/Fools 24/7.
Yes, like 10 secs in between where it's not guaranteed you will get attention being smacked by physical damage. Stay out of range for 10 secs if it's AoE physical damage? What's wrong with that.

[Prothscar]

And if you are getting smacked with physical damage, you would be prepared with a PDT set. Seriously, there is no situation where you should not have an optimal PDT set available. Ever. On any job.

[saevel]

Yes, like 10 secs in between where it's not guaranteed you will get attention being smacked by physical damage. Stay out of range for 10 secs if it's AoE physical damage? What's wrong with that.

It's useful for when you need to hit a proc and fanatics isn't available, or for when you got proc screwed. It sucks when both of your HV procs are something stupid like "PUP Robot WS", a BST pet move, or some spell / effect that the NM is immune to. That happens more then people would like to admit and it's handy to be able to survive and hit V procs and hope to get a fanatics.

[VZX]

It took me thinking quite a while...
Considering how likely your situation happens and qualitatively bad the situation would become if you don't have PDT gear. I still come to the conclusion it's not more important than dealing a couple extra damage on your WS.
If you want to believe a perfected gear on specific situation and certain skill required to execute a task coming from an individual on a 18-man battle with huge noise and randomness is that big, then be my guest. But in reality, it requires that the other 17 people to be insanely dumb or the randomizer need to be extremely lucky to bring the odds where everyone's best bet is certain someone's pdt set (the not dedicated tank).

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you've found 17 other people you can trust, cool. I haven't, and until I do, will be keeping my DT sets.

[saevel]

It took me thinking quite a while...
Considering how likely your situation happens and qualitatively bad the situation would become if you don't have PDT gear. I still come to the conclusion it's not more important than dealing a couple extra damage on your WS.
If you want to believe a perfected gear on specific situation and certain skill required to execute a task coming from an individual on a 18-man battle with huge noise and randomness is that big, then be my guest. But in reality, it requires that the other 17 people to be insanely dumb or the randomizer need to be extremely lucky to bring the odds where everyone's best bet is certain someone's pdt set (the not dedicated tank).


Who's talking about WS <.<

A PDT set is just a modified TP set that swaps in PDT over regular melee gear. Your going to WS in a WS set in either case. Gear changes are instant, so hit WS macro then immediately hit TP macro as to animation is going off.

And nothing is more important then hitting HV procs on the dangerous ones (not the lol beetle). Having a HV Scholar Abilities and HV Sword sucks on Pil (just for example) if you don't have a fanatics. You need to survive Flank Opening so that you can cycle through the sword procs to refil temps.

And that's just an annoyingly common example.

[Tashan]

I always carry my EVA and TP set with me. Shold EVA fail I decide to either prioritise PDT or MDT based on the mob I'm fighting and switch to that.

However, I'm hoping to turn my Full Eva build (which I love) into more of a hybrid Haste build. If done so succesfully, I'll hope to reduce the amount of EVA specific gear I'm carrying and walk around with a PDT or MDT build full time.

[VZX]

Who's talking about WS <.<

A PDT set is just a modified TP set that swaps in PDT over regular melee gear. Your going to WS in a WS set in either case. Gear changes are instant, so hit WS macro then immediately hit TP macro as to animation is going off.

And nothing is more important then hitting HV procs on the dangerous ones (not the lol beetle). Having a HV Scholar Abilities and HV Sword sucks on Pil (just for example) if you don't have a fanatics. You need to survive Flank Opening so that you can cycle through the sword procs to refil temps.

And that's just an annoyingly common example.
I wasn't talking about WS. It's just a comparison of situation of "how bad it can goes".

I never had a problem getting proc on Pil or bad pickup group that have trouble proc'ing so the fight come into failure. Granted I'll never have to fight it again, but that's as far as my experience goes.


I always carry my EVA and TP set with me. Shold EVA fail I decide to either prioritise PDT or MDT based on the mob I'm fighting and switch to that.

However, I'm hoping to turn my Full Eva build (which I love) into more of a hybrid Haste build. If done so succesfully, I'll hope to reduce the amount of EVA specific gear I'm carrying and walk around with a PDT or MDT build full time.
I'm looking for Denali +5 hand, legs, and feet. They are what we can call the real eva+haste set. Without sacrificing haste, we can get even more than what we have now.

[Tashan]

Yeah that'll be awesome, especially since my playtime looks to be getting shorter than what it already is.

I'm sure getting the +5 set will be as random as VW though with the floor mechanics of Nyzul 2 ._.

[saevel]

I wasn't talking about WS. It's just a comparison of situation of "how bad it can goes".

I never had a problem getting proc on Pil or bad pickup group that have trouble proc'ing so the fight come into failure. Granted I'll never have to fight it again, but that's as far as my experience goes.


I'm looking for Denali +5 hand, legs, and feet. They are what we can call the real eva+haste set. Without sacrificing haste, we can get even more than what we have now.

Your lieing, period.

1 EV, 2 HV, 6 V procs, HV and V procs cycle after their hit.

Considering the sheer number of procs available, and the cycleing nature of them, the probability of you and any alliance your in not getting "proc screwed" on any fight ~ever~ is zero.

HV SCH Ability
HV Rabit Pet Abilities

no BST in alliance

How exactly are you going to "not have a problem hitting procs" then.

Pil is a joke until he's got his shield up and wondering around spamming aoe Flank Opening for 1.6~2.4K damage along with ~1500 point -ja's. No temps to refil MP / HP or to block his damage, meaning you gotta take it on the chin.

Please tell me how your going to hit that SCH JA that every NM is immune to, or that BST pet ability without a BST. Or heck even if you had a BST the recall timer is long and Pil is spamming high damage aoe moves. That Rabbit is going to take one to two aoe's Flanks before it dies, and then your screwed waiting on the timer to call another one.

Or how about if it's HV Dark Ninja and ends up being Kurayami on a dark immune monster, you know the ones that like to resist dispel without +m.acc.

So yes, you lieing to support your argument of never requiring a DT/PDT set. Attempting to pound your chest and say how awesome you are because apparently your magical and your very presence ensured that your alliance will never get screwed over on procs.

[VZX]

That's a lot of assumptions to be put on table, isn't it?

And only the proc'd one is replaced with a new one, not the entire set. And hence,
What about the "Leave 1 easy JA proc when shield is up" rule? That's a good rule to follow, assuming everyone listen/hold their party chat line.

I've gotten a screw up in Pil recently. Not simply because the proc set was bad; It was a Great Sword proc with none other than 2 WARs we had(Bravura & Ukon) were capable proc'ing that. It was well over 30 seconds since the proc called and none of the 2 swaped their Great Axe to Great Sword... until the shield was up and proceed screwing everyone.
But since it was a win. I got nothing to complaint with 5~7 extra minutes of handling the bad situation.

And as for DT set in this Pil case,
Even if you have them, you will still rely on Coercion/Tactician roll to accumulate TP.


So yes, you lieing to support your argument of never requiring a DT/PDT set. Attempting to pound your chest and say how awesome you are because apparently your magical and your very presence ensured that your alliance will never get screwed over on procs.
No, I'm not lying of what I've said. I never got any Pil fight come into failure because I don't use DT/PDT set. The last alliance I had was a mess, but it still resulted in win. Please stop putting words into my mouth, moreover, by the experience you had imposed as my experience.

[saevel]

That's a lot of assumptions to be put on table, isn't it?

And only the proc'd one is replaced with a new one, not the entire set. And hence,
What about the "Leave 1 easy JA proc when shield is up" rule? That's a good rule to follow, assuming everyone listen/hold their party chat line.

I've gotten a screw up in Pil recently. Not simply because the proc set was bad; It was a Great Sword proc with none other than 2 WARs we had(Bravura & Ukon) were capable proc'ing that. It was well over 30 seconds since the proc called and none of the 2 swaped their Great Axe to Great Sword... until the shield was up and proceed screwing everyone.
But since it was a win. I got nothing to complaint with 5~7 extra minutes of handling the bad situation.

And as for DT set in this Pil case,
Even if you have them, you will still rely on Coercion/Tactician roll to accumulate TP.


No, I'm not lying of what I've said. I never got any Pil fight come into failure because I don't use DT/PDT set. The last alliance I had was a mess, but it still resulted in win. Please stop putting words into my mouth, moreover, by the experience you had imposed as my experience.

Again your BSing. And now trying to say I don't know how procs cycle, hit an HV and a new HV takes its place, same with V.

Which was my entire point, there can only be 2 HV's at any point in time and 6 V's. Thus if one of your HV's is something stupid / unobtainable then your limited with only 1 HV for the rest of the fight to use for restoring fanatics drink. If you get screwed on both HV's, which happens more often then your willing to admit, then your stuck with using V's to try to restore fanatics. If you fail to restore fanatics, then Flank Opening or ~insert move of death here~ will start one shoting people, this includes the people trying to hit the proc.

So tell me again how your going to handle

HV SCH Abilities
HV BST Rabit Family Special Moves

~assorted V procs~

Or HV Dark Ninja Magic, HV Dark Elemental Magic (Blind / Blind II). Or HV Ice White Magic (Paralyze / Paralyze II) on a NM that's immune to Paralyze. Then all the PUP pet moves, and the Wyvern breath abilities.

I'm only using Pil because it's a perfect example of the situation I'm talking about. If you keep fanatics up then he's ridiculously easy. If you can't keep fanatics up then the fight goes to hell in a hurry. You can eak out a win, but it's going to be messy with lots of death and weakened people. Kaggen just likes to screw you over with aoe slow + amnesia to prevent you from hitting WS procs, otherwise he's pretty easy himself. I've done tons of VWNM's and most of the time their easy now that everyone has a procing method down to keep fanatics up. BUT you will get screwed, its a certainty that it will happen and you'll be forced to rely on DT/PDT sets to try to proc without a fanatics up.

[VZX]

What if the mentioned scenarios comes up? Wipe, redo.
What do you lose other than it takes time to wipe + 5 minutes waiting weakened status removed? In what sense survivability to continue a fight with a such badly aligned proc set should be endorsed? The popper lose the stone? 30k? I'll reimburse it, if it's me who made him to pop or made the alliance setup.


BUT you will get screwed, its a certainty that it will happen and you'll be forced to rely on DT/PDT sets to try to proc without a fanatics up.
Well... if you are to assert yourself that much, then I will have nothing to say, sir.

[Defiledsickness]

ive only fought pil twice but my LS doesnt have much of a problem killing him. that being said there are ALWAYS times when we dont have procs or one doesnt get hit for minutes at a time. you cant have all 20 jobs in one ally because there's only 18 spaces. (usually 2whm, 2pld, and 3blm varying based on who is in your ally)

i dont often use a pdt/dt/or Mdt set when doing VW but i also die on occasion (sometimes i die a lot, typically have RR up for it so idc). but to be less of a D*** to your whm, you should have these sets. you can very easily proc without your DD sets. sometimes i sit in MDT sets the entire fight (if i dont need to DD or just while im trying to proc).

in w/e case you still WILL have crappy PUG groups. most times i fight Kaggen with a PUG im like the only one trying to proc :P there are still people who havent even done VW once yet. furthermore to post something that is unlikely on a forum for the majority of people who are asking BECAUSE they're unaware, you shouldnt post stuff that isnt likely. even if you have temps 80% of the time there are people without temps and 20% chance to die.

[saevel]

What if the mentioned scenarios comes up? Wipe, redo.
What do you lose other than it takes time to wipe + 5 minutes waiting weakened status removed? In what sense survivability to continue a fight with a such badly aligned proc set should be endorsed? The popper lose the stone? 30k? I'll reimburse it, if it's me who made him to pop or made the alliance setup.


Well... if you are to assert yourself that much, then I will have nothing to say, sir.

There we have it, you'd rather quit and redo then be bothered to have the proper PDT sets.

It's also more then just losing a stone, you do fights in sets of four for a reason. Losing a stone means only doing three, or at a minimum waiting on someone to run back to town to get another stone. Easy on the Jeuno T3's, not so easy on the Zilart T3's on the ones in the past (Jeuno T5's).

And yes it happens, you'll get proc screwed out of at least one HV every 6~10 fights. If your lucky it'll happen later on in the fight after you've hit EV and your basically just zerging the thing down with fanatics, at that point it doesn't matter and you'll get the win. As I've said, most of my Pil's have been HV -> V -> EV -> HV -> V and it's pretty much terrorized most of the fight, but I've had several that we just got absolutely screwed on HV procs and it went around aoe one shoting everyone. Stil got a win thanks to the MNK and WAR having a PDT set and being able to hold it away from everyone else.

[VZX]

i dont often use a pdt/dt/or Mdt set when doing VW but i also die on occasion (sometimes i die a lot, typically have RR up for it so idc). but to be less of a D*** to your whm, you should have these sets. you can very easily proc without your DD sets. sometimes i sit in MDT sets the entire fight (if i dont need to DD or just while im trying to proc).
It would be more helpful if you pop that Lucid Potion II/III instead of waiting cure coming to you.


in w/e case you still WILL have crappy PUG groups.
I'm sorry for you still will have crappy PUG.


most times i fight Kaggen with a PUG im like the only one trying to proc :P there are still people who havent even done VW once yet. furthermore to post something that is unlikely on a forum for the majority of people who are asking BECAUSE they're unaware, you shouldnt post stuff that isnt likely. even if you have temps 80% of the time there are people without temps and 20% chance to die.
And what is this unlikelihood you speak of ?
As far as I'm concerned, I only care whether I can win, whatever turbulence I will have during fight is less of concern. If you care about how smooth your fight is going to be, then go ahead being picky choosing your member.


There we have it, you'd rather quit and redo then be bothered to have the proper PDT sets.
Could you possibly be serious about continuing a fight deprived from full temp items restoration? I rather call it redo and have the popper warped/retraced for restone.


It's also more then just losing a stone, you do fights in sets of four for a reason. Losing a stone means only doing three, or at a minimum waiting on someone to run back to town to get another stone. Easy on the Jeuno T3's, not so easy on the Zilart T3's on the ones in the past (Jeuno T5's).
Popper must have the Atmacite refiner warp. It shouldn't take that long.
Not having Instant Warp/Retrace/ Sprinter Shoes? I think my requirement is already much more lenient than forcing to have PDT set. 3 Inventory slots. You can put it on sack, and cost like 10CP+10AN+980AN and couple seconds to retrieve them from NPC.

You will get yelled for not having self-sneak/invis in 2004. Do people cut loose these days about this kind of preparation?

[Tashan]

Saeval's right.

[Oricimaru]

Quick Question... i would make a new thread but it wont let me so here goes... I see alot of blu's on my server with MAB magian swords, Would that at all affect physcial spells and would a staff be better for those situations?

[SpankWustler]

Quick Question... i would make a new thread but it wont let me so here goes... I see alot of blu's on my server with MAB magian swords, Would that at all affect physcial spells and would a staff be better for those situations?

Due to being made during ice weather and made out of ice geodes and Slurpees and stuff, the Magic Attack Bonus swords are really cheap and easy to make compared to some options. They still have good base damage and Magic Attack Bonus isn't totally useless, so some folks make them.

Staves are better for magical spells outside of a few specific cases, and the Slurpee Swords do nothing at all for physical spells.

[Oricimaru]

Which specific cases are those if i might ask? i can see something you able to melee, but if you can melee it why not jsut use physical spells and a STR or DEX sword?

[SpankWustler]

Which specific cases are those if i might ask? i can see something you able to melee, but if you can melee it why not jsut use physical spells and a STR or DEX sword?

Some people have noted better numbers with Burst Affinitified Charged Whisker using two Slurpee Swords than a staff, I assume because the build used for that has little Magic Attack Bonus in it to make room for more DEX.

The same might apply to any spell where a drastically different build is used during Burst Affinity, but I can't think of a another good magic spell like that. It's also possible those people were just using weird equipment they should not have been using, I guess, and the different was small.

And yeah, your thinking on that is correct. If you can stand in melee range, there's no reason not to just use physical spells. If you're using magical spells, there's no reason to stand in melee range and you're giving up the main advantage magical spells provide by doing so.

[Oricimaru]

I see.... Well thank you for your input spank. one last question if you do not mind. Im currently working on a single STR Shikager (at birds) now, im almost done with Almace, would there be a situation where i would have to drop my almace for anouther type of sword? (no dispose just not use Almace for that particular fight).

[Prothscar]

No, never. I don't personally understand anyone who would drop Almace for another sword; the offhand weapon is malleable, mainhand is not, even with the advent of Requiescat.

As for MAB swords vs. Staves, accounting for changes in gear options since the last time I checked MAB swords and they were coming up close to Staves (85 or so), recent gear improvements and the like put it all in favor of staves. When using swords for magic damage, you lose a decent chunk of accuracy and damage as well as the time spent actually making them, plus two more inventory slots which are pretty precious for this job. I can't really condone those.

[Oricimaru]

Ok, good lol did not wanna do those trials again. I was wondering something, Would Homam boots be able to replace Pink doom boots? seeing as how Lancing is being a stingy little bugger. And is a EVA set still good to make? i was thinking yes but im not sure anymore with the VW mobs being able to hit just about anyone.

[Prothscar]

Homam are superior, but dusk ledelsends +1 are even better than those.

EVA set should be one of your standard sets. One with full on EVA and one with a mix of evasion and DD stats would be best. It's not so much for Voidwatch as it is for solo and lower level/mid level content; PDT set for Voidwatch is best.

[Oricimaru]

You would not happen to have a sample set i could look at for Full Eva would you.

[Prothscar]

Hybrid (http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/226965)

Full (http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/252643)

[Oricimaru]

Thank you Proth, ill start getting what i need for that, and for PDT is the Darksteel +1 still a decent set?

[Prothscar]

PDT (http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/231915)

[Oricimaru]

Thank you again Proth. ill have to start building those sets, i have them both somewhat done just need to refine.

[Oricimaru]

Ok so just got my Almace :D My current CDC build is
Head: Aias Bonnet
Neck: Rancor Collar
Earrings: Suppa/Brutal
Body: Loki's
Hands: Ocelot
rings:Epona's/Raja's
back: Aetheling
waist: Twilight
legs: toss up between Mavi+2 and Athos
feet: Pink doom boots
Any Help would be appreciated on this set,
Thanks in Advance
Oricimaru

[Prothscar]

Kacura +1 hands and feet are immediately available upgrades, use Tumbler Trunks until you get athos boots to go along with the athos legs. Waist should be cuchulain's belt, which is also readily available. Aside from that, just Toci's, Ocelomeh headpiece +1, and a TP bonus moonshade earring.