[To The Devs/Players] STOP ABYSSEA POWERLEVELING FOR GIL

[Francisco]

There's one guy shouting now you can sign up and you can get powerleveled for 200,000 gil in abyssea by powerleveling service. Okay. And currently he just invites you to the party, you can go afk and when you get back you're all leveled up, but you pay for that, right.

But this service is going to go through abyssea and what you do is you just go to a place in abyssea and you go afk and guess what, you can keep paying him to level your other jobs.

Ten of them streaming across that abyssea and what happens to your own personal abyssea?

I just the other day got, a sandsweeper popped by my party at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just saw it yesterday. Why?

Because it got tangled up with all these things going on in abyssea.

So you want to talk about the XP sellers? Let's talk about you and me. We use this abyssea to get gear and we aren't using it for commercial purposes.

We aren't earning any gil by going in that abyssea. Now I'm not saying you have to or you want to discriminate against those people...

The powerleveling approach is wrong. Your approach is wrong in the sense that it says "I can charge anyone for massively invading this world of abyssea". No, I'm not finished. I want people to understand my position, I'm not going to take a lot of time.

They want to deliver vast amounts of experience points over abyssea. And again, abyssea is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck.

It's a series of noobs.

And if you don't understand those zones can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your traverser stone in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that abyssea enormous amounts of noobs , enormous amounts of noobs.

Now we need a separate Lv99 only abyssea now, did you know that?

Do you know why?

Because we have to have ours delivered immediately. We can't afford getting delayed by other people.

Now I think these devs are arguing whether they should be able to powerlevel all those noobs in abyssea ought to consider if they should develop a new abyssea just for powerleveling.

Maybe there is a place for a powerleveling but it's not using what players use every day.

It's taking up the pyxides that are essential to empyreans, to our of AF3.

The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a violation of abyssea neutrality that hits you and me.

[Reiterpallasch]

I can do agreement with this, makes mostfully sense to myself. I hate that greedalox is using our own players for himself benefit.

[Aarahs]

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if I understand you correctly you're complaining about charging for cleave parties. You do make gil in abyssea. I believe common conversion rate is 1 mil cruor = about 2.5 mil gil. I don't have my data on hand so it's a rough estimate.

[Brolic]

quit your bitchin

[Reiterpallasch]

enormous amounts of noobs
enormous amounts of noobs
enormous amounts of noobs
enormous amounts of noobs
enormous amounts of noobsShould be on a sign right outside of each maw. Pretty much sums up the content these days.

[Sharnak]

About this, I actually feel they have right to do so in Aby or any place. Since you really can't tell how it's dif form ppl who sell item drop form NM in there. Like Sobek horn some only after +2 item so sell horn, then ppl come buy. I really feel it's only dif in method but same result - Your sell something by your effort to someone who don't want to do but can pay for it. It's no break rule until you pay it with real money.

And Powerleveling is not wrong, I also do it to my friend sometimes, same to my friend do it for me. It's very common as long you know what you doing. Such as you want some job to use as subjob and you not even want to play it just want to use it as subjob.

Yes I think this will bring a lot of noob come out since they not even need to touch mob to lv, but I don't think we can just ban them for they way of work for gil by power level, Unless you can prove that they is gil seller or it's cuz trouble on other player than it's must be. Since still got many war do FC pt sometime so they only one who do same thing, just sell they effort for gil.

It's only fact that since it's got demand so it's will have supply. You really can't blaim only seller since still have buyer. So as long ppl still willing to pay gil for exp, it's will never end.

[Vold]

It feels like hordecore has like 10 characters he pays for and is spamming on them all right now. Or like, like people are writing this stuff in their native language and then passing it through google translate for the English version.

[Zaknafein]

While the whole abyssea xp thing disgusts me, and the "pay for cleave" garbage especially so. Don't you think it's a tad late to be making this thread? Cats out of the bag man. Game is broken etc etc. Only thing that cracks me up are these interviews saying "abyssea was a mistake" like they just figured that out. Now that no one wants to go back to progression in the game like it was pre abyssea.

Seriously? Like they couldn't see that coming b4 they released it in the 1st place?

[Benihana]

quit your bitchin

TBH, although I personally love Fransico. One of nicest, coolest guys i've ever met in game and a very good player.

People do this all time tho right? I just blist them and be done with hearing their shouts. Annoying honestly.

[Francisco]

Why are so many of you taking this seriously?

Know your memes, dammit.

[Zumi]

This is a problem? Seriously if you don't want to pay for FC exp then don't.

[Francisco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

:55 on.

[Benihana]

Why are so many of you taking this seriously?

Know your memes, dammit.

lol ur sig is sick lol.

what's it mean exactly?

[Francisco]

lol ur sig is sick lol.

what's it mean exactly?

Nothing really.

A while back on this forum someone kept referring to the FFXI servers as "realms" - and got ridiculed for it.

The lips on my character are taken from one of Kingfury's images, in which he had a mithra that looked like it had herpes.

The rest of the sig is just meant to make my character look creepy and a little demented.

[Benihana]

Nothing really.

A while back on this forum someone kept referring to the FFXI servers as "realms" - and got ridiculed for it.

The lips on my character are taken from one of Kingfury's images, in which he had a mithra that looked like it had herpes.

The rest of the sig is just meant to make my character look creepy and a little demented.

"come're and give daddy some sugar" lmao.... u ever sell ur harimaki?

[Alhanelem]

If someone is charging for a spot in a party, then obviously there are people willing to pay it. I'm not one of them, but I don't see the problem. People have been paying to powerlevel for years.

[Greatguardian]

People need to read the god damn news every once in a while or something.

Christ.

So much whoosh.

[Michae]

They could do in xi what they did in xiv and if there is more than 10 lvls difference between you and the highes lvl person in the pt 0 exp is earned ^^

[Kimble]

They could do in xi what they did in xiv and if there is more than 10 lvls difference between you and the highes lvl person in the pt 0 exp is earned ^^

It was like that for years. Its only different in abyssea because of the way the exp system works in there.

[Logandor]

Honestly no matter how many b**** about spot sellers it ain't going to stop them. This has been happening long before abby when people did mana & summon burn parties to 75. Heck I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see some one shout "Burn Party 10mil/hour /tell (player's name)" sometime soon because that is just how some people enjoy the game. Also who would want to pay that type of money in the first place is beyond me. To each their own I guess.

[Michae]

It was like that for years. Its only different in abyssea because of the way the exp system works in there.

Yeah they could easily code this to work in aby too tho I am sure. It cant really be that hard if they do it on every other map, they just chose not to.

I wouldnt pay either, with the shear amount of exp per hr you can get in aby you have to be one hell of a lazy sob to actually pay to leech. Just start your own pt and key.

As for mana/smn burns, Ive never seen a leech in either of these, everyone had something to contribute, whether it was pulling, holding, being the sync or whatever. The only time you didnt have to do anything was if you were being 'paid' for pulling via exp or if you were a smn in a mana burn pt sitting there with diablos' favor up for refresh. That was just my exp.

[Kimble]

Yeah they could easily code this to work in aby too tho I am sure. It cant really be that hard if they do it on every other map, they just chose not to.

I wouldnt pay either, with the shear amount of exp per hr you can get in aby you have to be one hell of a lazy sob to actually pay to leech. Just start your own pt and key.

As for mana/smn burns, Ive never seen a leech in either of these, everyone had something to contribute, whether it was pulling, holding, being the sync or whatever. The only time you didnt have to do anything was if you were being 'paid' for pulling via exp or if you were a smn in a mana burn pt sitting there with diablos' favor up for refresh. That was just my exp.

3 smns, 1 level sync, 2 free spots to leach.

1-3 of the SMNs in the party pull on another account.

[Javarr]

Honestly, let'em do whatever they want. Let'em leech up all they want, clear to 99 as far as I'm concerned. But once we finally come totally out of Abyssea, they will be noticed. 10:1 says that most of the people that were QQing over G10 being hard were those "Leech specials".

The real problem is when people do this and then don't even take the time to go out and learn their job or even take hte time to skill their weapons/magic. ( Looking at random NIN that was asked to tank a mob and they replied that they only had a 100 katana skill @.@;;; )

Like I said, as endgame shifts further and further away from Abyssea, The gap in power and ability will become apparent, and the strong (AKA: Knowing one's job, being skilled, and taking the time to have at least have a decent gear set) will be sifted from the chaff.

[RAIST]

starting to see a slightly different effect too....peeps that were stable at 75 getting too used to running around in abyssea with all the buffs up. Then get in the outside world and forget what it was like dealing with the constraints of the normal world and make noobish mistakes that maybe wouldn't have happened 2 years ago. Gotta recondition ourselves again.

[Sarick]

starting to see a slightly different effect too....peeps that were stable at 75 getting too used to running around in abyssea with all the buffs up. Then get in the outside world and forget what it was like dealing with the constraints of the normal world and make noobish mistakes that maybe wouldn't have happened 2 years ago. Gotta recondition ourselves again.

I donno about everyone else but, when the 99 cap came I decided to go and duo my items with my 2 accounts. DNC/WAR + WHM/SCH. Anyway I went to an area at level 95 both jobs and started attacking the mobs low and behold after checking them they where incredibly tough.

I checked there levels to be 99-103!! So my guess is not everyone knows how easy these mobs can be even outside abby. I was amazed that I was able to mow down enemies 8 levels higher then me with little or no issues back to back pulling. There was a lvl 95 thf/dnc behind me soloing these same mobs. These where giving 750exp a kill without exp boosters.

Makes you wonder how people can talk about noobs all the time. When I accidentally linked 3 of these same enemies and came out with little more then a scratch It came to reality that these guys must not be even trying. If these people are setup right with the right jobs,gear, skill and strategy almost anything can be taken down.

I used to only attack EP to DC mobs for skillup and laterally feared ITs. Now that I know the truth I realize that the ABBY boost aren't needed to fight the same difficulty mobs outside abby and it doesn't take a lot of gaming skill to do it.

The sincere truth for me is the power I gained in abby taught me to fight stronger mobs like I had the same buffs outside in regular zones. In my case abby reconditioned me to a higher standard instead of lowering me.

To OP... >>

To comment on the people selling EXP, I don't think it's outside the rules to sell spots because it's not RMT trading. It's gil for exp, not RL money for exp. The only real annoyance is the constant spamming of these guys. A quick remidy is /blacklist <name> rectifies the spamming real quick.. Other then that, if you don't want to pay for a spot It's your money you don't have to exp that way. If you want to show you're not a noob make an exp party and get players who aren't leechs instead of complaining about an honest service someone else is exploiting.

This makes me think about the people complaining about businesses selling porn on the internet for money. Sure it's not morally correct but it's currently legal and is what helped the internet grow. I can say the same for people who are told NO or can't find low level party's to level up subs. In this case a service like this is helpful because the providers don't care about skill, your standing or what job you are. They're only interested in your gil not elitist holding you back from getting efficient exp.

On a side note, these people paying had to earn that gil someway. They're just converting the time they invested making that gil into exp. What's the problem? I guess people who level this way are horrible players. Solution to that is also simple remove them from party and tell them to pay someone to help them get better gear/skill ups. Since they invested so much in leeching why can't they invest in skillups and better gear the same way?

[Xantavia]

starting to see a slightly different effect too....peeps that were stable at 75 getting too used to running around in abyssea with all the buffs up. Then get in the outside world and forget what it was like dealing with the constraints of the normal world and make noobish mistakes that maybe wouldn't have happened 2 years ago. Gotta recondition ourselves again.
I've noticed this especially when it comes to whm or blu. Without all the different forms of refresh, they blow through mp so fast they become useless halfway through the fight.

[Runespider]

I've noticed this especially when it comes to whm or blu. Without all the different forms of refresh, they blow through mp so fast they become useless halfway through the fight.

Whm used to be quite a difficult job to play well and a good whm was a real rarity, most of the whms around now in stuff like VW ride the temp items but in content without this stuff it's gonna be really tough to get good healers. good whm was always about knowing when to rest and conserve mp.

[Alkimi]

I've noticed this especially when it comes to whm or blu. Without all the different forms of refresh, they blow through mp so fast they become useless halfway through the fight.

Using BLM support job because they can't be arsed to level SCH really doesn't help, not having AF3+2 legs is also a major setback.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Using BLM support job because they can't be arsed to level SCH really doesn't help, not having AF3+2 legs is also a major setback.

Indeed! WHM has great MP control /SCH and with AF3+2 Legs.

[Crawlerbasher]

All the Devs need to do is incress the lvl entry from 30 to 75.
I suggested this before, but ppl say it would ruin the game for them as there do quest in abyssaa with there lvl 30 carracter.
Personally I don't see what different doing a quest in abyssaa with a lvl 30 job or a lvl 75 job.

While having the entry level at 75, would not stop these power levelers.
It would mean new players and old who want a job leveling up would have to do it the normal way and gain not just exp but exp of there job.

But this would bring about SMN Burn partys (Again).

There is not much you can do about ppl leeching, but at least the smn burn party is slower.

[Khajit]

Whm can get the same amount of refresh it had in abyssea. stop being noobs and have brds/rdms in your party for events.

[Sparthos]

Tanaka has read this thread and will now pass judgement.

-Abyssea will hard cap @120mins per Earth day.
-Abyssea will require players to be level 75 to enter.

BALANCE.

[Alhanelem]

You forgot

- Abyssea will now cost 200k gil per traverser stone used.

[Logandor]

You forgot

- Abyssea will now cost 200k gil per traverser stone used.

So now gil sellers to gain entry into abby? >.< I don't think it is too good of an idea to be honest. I do though like the idea of making entry at 75. Give people time to actually be reasonably skilled up at the very least.

[Tohihroyu]

AF burns where the same, but! you could get in free if you where a sync. Ever since Abyssea Slime oil farmers can farm in peace without being yelled at by a rdm with a million mobs after him linking the thf's slime.

[Meyi]

Tanaka has read this thread and will now pass judgement.

-Abyssea will hard cap @120mins per Earth day.
-Abyssea will require players to be level 75 to enter.

BALANCE.

Yup. Out of all the legit threads on the forums, the dev team will pick this one to follow up with. I'm sure google translate will translate it perfectly into Japanese since the English is so garbled.

[FrankReynolds]

This thread is full of so much fail that it must be encapsulated in lead, and rocket fired into the center of the sun in order to destroy all the wrong and just plain stupid going on in it and save future generations from being tainted by it and giving birth to 3 eyed drooling green prehistoric galka babies due to the effects.

[Reiterpallasch]

So now gil sellers to gain entry into abby? >.< I don't think it is too good of an idea to be honest.
Well aside from the fact that he was joking, having money makes you neither a gil seller nor does it make you a gil buyer. I fucking hate when people see someone with money and immediately tag them with that shit simply because they're bad at making gil in game.

[Greggles]

OP, you win.

[Greatguardian]

Seriously, no one can tell that the OP is a huge joke based on a speech given by former Sen. Ted Stevens? It's like, bloody verbatim if you replace Abyssea with Net Neutrality. Open a bloody book and read the god damn news on occasion, holy shit.

[FrankReynolds]

I think its funny that he posted a video of the speech, and people still didn't get it

[Unleashhell]

Not only are legit players charging for FC parties, but RMT are also. On Fenrir there are several people that constantly spams shouts in Port Jeuno for FC exp with lights capped. The people running the cleaves are there 24/7. They NEVER leave those abyssea zones. You can do a search any any time of the day and they are there cleaving. RMT found an easier way to make gil.

[FrankReynolds]

Not only are legit players charging for FC parties, but RMT are also. On Fenrir there are several people that constantly spams shouts in Port Jeuno for FC exp with lights capped. The people running the cleaves are there 24/7. They NEVER leave those abyssea zones. You can do a search any any time of the day and they are there cleaving. RMT found an easier way to make gil.

I know a few people from my old LS on cerb who do that, and will just sit in zone afk in between cleave groups. They don't bother to leave the zone. They just form the groups on a mule account. Every shout that I have seen is @ 100k/hour, which is almost exactly how much you make back from cruor in a cleave party. It would actually be more profitable for RMT to just bring their own mules, and not waste time shouting for real players.

[Darkvalkyr]

This is hilarious! XD

[Trangnai]

OP took the time to listen to a retarded politicians speech and convert it to an abyssea speech, 1 Million Internets for OP.

[Logandor]

Well aside from the fact that he was joking, having money makes you neither a gil seller nor does it make you a gil buyer. I fucking hate when people see someone with money and immediately tag them with that shit simply because they're bad at making gil in game.

Well excuse me for not knowing it as a joke. Damn some people are just so bad tempered lately. Now did I tag anyone with that? No I didn't and to honestly jump down on me accusing is stupid. I was just saying if it was possible I could see a lot of either super farmers or rmts getting aby access over people who have to solo or trio for their hard earned gil to spend to just get extra help on stuff that they can not accomplish as a small group but now with 99 I guess it doesn't mean shit anyways.
I do apologize if what I said was taken as if I was tagging someone but damn man if you asked any one who actually plays with me I don't automatically accuse people as rmts or half my friends on my friend's list wouldn't be there because they have 5mil + and going. I was just stating a thought for fact of if it was done what I think would happen.

[Khajit]

I know a few people from my old LS on cerb who do that, and will just sit in zone afk in between cleave groups. They don't bother to leave the zone. They just form the groups on a mule account. Every shout that I have seen is @ 100k/hour, which is almost exactly how much you make back from cruor in a cleave party. It would actually be more profitable for RMT to just bring their own mules, and not waste time shouting for real players.

From what i've heard(like i was really gonna join an rmt cleave when i can make my own if i wanted to) the rmt kinda suck and fail at cleaving so it's more profitable for rmt to charge. perle wars and all that with no good atma trying to cleave. The rmt stopped cyling through fake accounts shouting in PJ though since actual players beat them at the cleaving market lately unless its because they stopped sucking long enough to do what you pointed out.

[larrymc]

OP is best post .. ever - could not stop laughing.

[wish12oz]

There's one guy shouting now you can sign up and you can get powerleveled for 200,000 gil in abyssea by powerleveling service.

200k? Sounds like a crappy party. I charge 400k, go for 4~ hours, cap lights and exp within the first hour, and it ends up being 200-260exp/hour on average, how much really depends on which camps are open. For reference, The level 30's in my group usually get to the low 80's or high 70's at least.

[Unleashhell]

I know a few people from my old LS on cerb who do that, and will just sit in zone afk in between cleave groups. They don't bother to leave the zone. They just form the groups on a mule account. Every shout that I have seen is @ 100k/hour, which is almost exactly how much you make back from cruor in a cleave party. It would actually be more profitable for RMT to just bring their own mules, and not waste time shouting for real players.

On Fenrir they are shouting for what I believe was 100K / hour also. They live in Miseraux Coast on the Apkallu and never leave. The WAR has Widowmaker that I can see. I don't normally check peoples gear cause skill > gear any day but these guys never leave. Once I saw a 2nd RMT group in the same zone, 14 taru no gear all with names sorta close in spelling and 1 person pulling and had a WHM for cures. I believe I even SS it but I would have to find it.

[Sparthos]

People still buy gil? For what?

Relics they wont be able to finish thanks to ADL?
Mythics for trials that require ZNM and possibly many PWs?
Empyreans that wont be finished due to a microscopic supply on the Riftcinder/dross?