The OFFICIAL "I intend on Quitting, and here is why" Thread

[Originalkord]

So you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to know that the player base is shrinking, and frustrations with the dev team are rising. Admittedly, the idea for this thread was sparked by the recent news of the WAR and VSmite MNK nerf, but there are still plenty of reasons outside of that why the game is in the current state we find it. As we all know, the only way to really make any business listen to you is by hitting them where it hurts: The Wallet.

Let's try to keep the criticism constructive; everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My plan for this thread is to really keep it on the topic of why you intend to leave the game--not to much to discussion the issues in depth. There are plenty of issue specific threads for that. The inevitable Troll War is pretty much a guarantee, but let's see how many legitimate posts we get before all hell breaks loose.

So that being said--Why are you currently thinking about quitting? Real life? New MMO? Bored? Lack of content? Nerfs? Blatant disregard by the devs to the wants/needs of the player base?

I'll chime in later once I see if this thread gathers some steam...and I want to avoid the wall o' text as much as possible.

[Doombringer]

Bored? Lack of content? Nerfs? Blatant disregard by the devs to the wants/needs of the player base?

that stuff. then depending on how dust 514 pans out, you could also maybe add "new mmo" but i dunno, i play shooters now and still play ffxi so if it turns out to be just another shooter, even if it's a good one.. it won't pull me away.

i mean, my minds not made up exactly, but these are all issues on my mind every time i log in.. and i've had my account since like.. 2004? (ps2 release?) never once let it lapse.. and now i'm starting to think about it....

[Glacont]

1) Nerfing My Job.
2) Void Watch thrown into full swing.


* I plan on keeping My account open for a bit longer to see IF the tide will turn; Till then I'll remain unactive and saving funds to purchase offline games for this week end. My only True regret are lsmates I won't be able to communicate with. I miss them already. Finding Gamers that are knowledgeable of their job class(s), and are generally good ppl through-out is nearlly an impossible feat.
:/

[Francisco]

Still unsure, but I could very well be quitting in the coming weeks. If I do, the reasons are:

- Friends driven away from FFXI by recent changes, or went to new MMOs.

- Lack of casual new content (options limited when most of your friends quit).

- Unobtainable goals. 1500 Heavy Metal Plates, or soloing a relic is something I might grind through if the 99 Trial didn't look to be so absurd. But even now, with the way the game is going, the effort doesn't seem to be worth it, even if the 99 trial turns out to be bowing to a Magian Moogle.

- Game seems to be headed back to complacency/stagnation.

[Originalkord]

I guess its a combination of things for me, but all stemming from the fact that the FFXI dev team just makes poor, lazy decisions.

In the interest of brevity, here are my main points:

- They implement these official forums to have transparency between themselves and the player base, yet they are still completely out of touch with what we want. Prime example--Player Base: Dear SE, the VW Drop system stinks. SE to players: Too bad, we're not changing it because we think it isn't the problem.

- Numerous job nerfs over the life span of the game with no real attempt at finding balance between classes.

- Lack of new content. Voidwatch and the resurrection of old content to re-obtain old items with better stats is not new content, in my opinion.

- Dwindling player base/better MMO options. Kind of two-fold here...Theres no need to have dedicated linkshell members anymore, the whole dynamic that being in an HNMLS used to bring to the game is now gone. Some old friends have already moved on to TOR, seems promising.

[Alhanelem]

Here is the official "You're quitting, and nobody else cares and/or we already know why" post.

It was nice to meet you, see you again in a couple months.

[Originalkord]

Here is the official "You're quitting, and nobody else cares and/or we already know why" post.

It was nice to meet you, see you again in a couple months.

Didn't take long. FYI--its not to announce or make other players care that you're quitting. See the original post. Thanks for trying to make the game more enjoyable.

[Francisco]

Here is the official "You're quitting, and nobody else cares and/or we already know why" post.

It was nice to meet you, see you again in a couple months.

I'm actually glad people are shitting up the boards with this stuff. Maybe if the entire forum is a rage-fueled cesspool, something will get done about it for once.

Not betting on it though.

[Alhanelem]

I'm actually glad people are shitting up the boards with this stuff. Maybe if the entire forum is a rage-fueled cesspool, something will get done about it for once.

Not betting on it though.
You have a better chance of dodging rain or beating the True Final Boss of mushihimesama futari 5. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ztCxpBmXuA&feature=related)

[Teraniku]

I'll bite. Even though I'm not quitting as of yet, as there are still a few things I want to accomplish before I do quit.

But when / if I do here will be why:

1. No new areas to explore / discover
2. No New storylines to play through
3. All the gear that's reasonable for me to get
4. THF to 99 (My first job in the game so I wanted it to be @ cap)

and really that's about it. 1 & 2 are high priority, if they aren't implemented, then it's only a matter of time before I do quit. Gear is nice and all, but for me, my characters story is why I play.

[Zarchery]

So you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to know that the player base is shrinking, and frustrations with the dev team are rising.

I love how authoritatively people state this, despite having no access to SquareEnix's subscription numbers.

And how they've done this exactly for the entire lifespan of the game.

Because frustrated players are so arrogant that they believe their frustration extends to everyone.

[Kimble]

I love how authoritatively people state this, despite having no access to SquareEnix's subscription numbers.

And how they've done this exactly for the entire lifespan of the game.

Because frustrated players are so arrogant that they believe their frustration extends to everyone.

Well, from the amount of angry posters across all forums, its not really so out there that its happening.

[Zarchery]

I'll quit after I accomplish all the goals I have in the game. This hasn't happened yet. And when I do, I'm humble enough to know that it's for my reasons, not under some delusion that it's because the game is failing.

[Kimble]

It's funny to me how people say they are quitting because they just don't find it fun anymore and SE isn't giving them anything fun, that people always come back with"LOL NO, FFXI IS STILL FUN FOR ME SO YOU ARE LYING!"

If you still get enjoyment out of the game, good for you, doesn't mean everyone else does.

[Zarchery]

Well, from the amount of angry posters across all forums, its not really so out there that its happening.

Usually, people who are content will not openly voice their opinion about how happy they are. Nobody marches on Washington holding signs that say "Everything is fine!" It's really not a fair indicator of the health of the game. You can't authoritatively say "the game is dying" without actual subscription numbers.

I guess you could point to recent server merges, but those were happening while Abyssea was in full swing, the supposed revival that saved the fledgling game.

And let's not forget that people have been saying "the game is dying because of X, Y, and Z" (X, Y, and Z being whatever came out in the most recent updates), since 2005. Yet the game continues. Odd.

[Zarchery]

It's funny to me how people say they are quitting because they just don't find it fun anymore and SE isn't giving them anything fun, that people always come back with"LOL NO, FFXI IS STILL FUN FOR ME SO YOU ARE LYING!"

If you still get enjoyment out of the game, good for you, doesn't mean everyone else does.

It's because people who are quitting are projecting this dissatisfaction onto the game as a whole, as if it is inconceivable to them that the game could still be fun and that, because they are dissatisfied, the game is dying. Such arrogance is unbelievable.

[Catsby]

I haven't logged in to play in about 2 months now. I'm giving development another update to see what happens to ToM and old ToAU stuff before I cancel my subscription. There has been nothing to be excited about since abyssea and everything that does come out feels like a punishment.

If I do quit I'm going to spend all my time playing LoL/DoTA 2 and waiting patiently for Guild Wars 2.

[Kimble]

VW was pretty exciting when it first game out, till drop rates were figured out, and they added more and more temps/atmacites to make it feel like abyssea all over again.

Personally, most of what they have planned just doesnt excite me at all. If dungeon crawl is nice, might make me take interest as it would give me a place to actually play with the stuff I have.

And Zarchery, yeah, I can see why the game is still very exciting for you with the amount of things you still need to do.

[Meyi]

Currently I'm not preparing to quit, but I no longer have the strong passion for this game as I once did. Only reason I'm even remotely enjoying the game right now is because I found some new friends who are missing a lot of things and collecting new armor for them (along with their excitement over completing it) is enough to keep me coming back on. For now.

But reasons I would consider quitting:
1. I'm paying money for a game I no longer enjoy logging onto. Even now I'm often at this point when my friends aren't on.
2. No more magians. I love magians, they're my favorite past time. But I'm completing more and more of my staves and will eventually have none left. I hope they add some more enhancements to the staves to make them more powerful, but, seeing their hunger for 'balance' I have a feeling that'll never happen...
3. Nerfing. I hate nerfing. Stop making jobs less powerful -- go the other way like you were for awhile and buff up jobs that are lacking.
4. Lack of new content. I want a new story to explore... but I want it to be a part of Vana'diel. Ever since ToAU came out the game has been drifting away from the original story and I've not liked that. I want more involvement with the Zilarts and the Kuluu. Even if we somehow went back into their time or something. (Divergence of WotG's and Abyssea's dimensions from our world has definitely destroyed a lot of satisfaction for me though. It feels as if our world isn't as special or as "real" as it once was.)
5. Stress. A lot of newer content seems to be full of it. When I was 15 I was willing to go through the stress and suffering of events to get armor I wanted. Now I'm 23 and that doesn't fly well anymore. I won't spend 4 hours a day, twice a week for 3 years doing an event I hate to get armor. I won't put up with the headaches of selfish players. I won't put up with the favoritism of linkshell leaders. If that's the only way to play then I quit.

Abyssea was one of the best things to happen to FFXI. If SE came out with another amazing event like it, where small groups of friends could get armor relatively quick and have fun doing it, then I'd happily continue paying for subscriptions even after I collected all of my gear. I have all of the +2 I want for BLM and SMN, all of the atmas and abyssites I could desire. But I still play. Completing gear doesn't mean a player gets bored with a game and quits it. It's fun showing off the gear and it's fun helping friends achieve it too. If they think they have to stretch content out for the sake of subscription money, then I feel sorry for them.

[Runespider]

During Abyssea nothing would of made me quit, because I was having a blast, had so many new things to do and there were few .001 drop rates for artifical gameplay extenders. Right now with very low amounts of new content, annoying drop rates that ruin VW, low budget while too much money is spent on 14 and other annoyances it's not the same, I play because there isn't anything else I want to move to (FF14 can kiss my ass, no matter what they do with that I'll never jump in a Square skinner box MMO again). I like FFXI, I carry on playing and hoping that more good things will come out but still fairly annoyed at the lackluster decisions and massive time grind ideas.

I was the same when I played PSO, I was annoyed at many aspects of that game but still played it for a long time, as soon as something new came out that actually clicked with me (ffxi) I literally never logged back into PSO ever again (and I was excessively hardcore about that game too). FFXI is the same really, if something good comes out that clicks with me while I'm in a mood as I am right now with FFXI then that will be it.

As addict is only an addict till they can get a better fix elsewhere, Square may have a lot of addicted players but if they keep us at a low point too long someone else will find a better hook for us.

[Xellith]

I'm quitting. In short it is because I believe the development team to be incompetant. I'll be back in a few months to see if anything else has changed but yea. I've lost all confidence in the development team.

[Reyn]

There are a few things left that I want to accomplish - namely, finish WotG. I'm a lore oriented player. I don't much see the point in grinding for gear if the only thing it's going to do is make me stronger for... grinding for even more gear. I want epic storyline battles to use it for, and there really hasn't been much new in the way of lore for a very long time. Once I exhaust that, I don't see myself subscribing any longer.

The job nerfs haven't effected me yet, but seeing them happen is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. The path to 99 should be about becoming stronger, and I don't like that the Dev team's current focus seems to be back-pedaling on everything they've established for the last year. Balance up, not down.

And the ultimate reason: FFXI no longer offers much value for my buck. I don't like paying the same amount for a game now, with these petty updates, as a few years ago when they were actively giving me something substantial to look forward to with every update. As broken as FFXIV is, the amount of positive and exciting changes they deliver with every update is staggering. At least in that case, I know my money is going toward more than just server upkeep and a trickle of cruise control updates.

[saevel]

During Abyssea nothing would of made me quit, because I was having a blast, had so many new things to do and there were few .001 drop rates for artifical gameplay extenders. Right now with very low amounts of new content, annoying drop rates that ruin VW, low budget while too much money is spent on 14 and other annoyances it's not the same, I play because there isn't anything else I want to move to (FF14 can kiss my ass, no matter what they do with that I'll never jump in a Square skinner box MMO again). I like FFXI, I carry on playing and hoping that more good things will come out but still fairly annoyed at the lackluster decisions and massive time grind ideas.

I was the same when I played PSO, I was annoyed at many aspects of that game but still played it for a long time, as soon as something new came out that actually clicked with me (ffxi) I literally never logged back into PSO ever again (and I was excessively hardcore about that game too). FFXI is the same really, if something good comes out that clicks with me while I'm in a mood as I am right now with FFXI then that will be it.

As addict is only an addict till they can get a better fix elsewhere, Square may have a lot of addicted players but if they keep us at a low point too long someone else will find a better hook for us.

May I suggest Dungeon and Dragons Online (DDO). The system may take a bit to get used to as they use completely different terminology then most other MMO's, but the actual party dynamic and quest based system is insanely fun. Lately I've been finding myself playing DDO more and more and FFXI less and less. Eventually I see a time where they'll flip roles (FFXI is my main MMO, DDO is for when I'm getting burnt out or need something different). I may eventually cancel my FFXI account completely in favor of just staying with DDO.

[mistmonster]

I'll bite too as someone who has never let my subscription lapse and never thought I would quit.

1. VW being where the game is going and the completely STUPID drop system that the devs think nothing is wrong with. I don't mind VW, but the drop system kills it.

2. Stupid payments options that STILL have not been rectified. I am still in limbo unable to make changes to my accounts because I refuse to transfer. I signed up for SWTOR, guess what? I put in my non VBV card and it took it no questions asked. So easy.

3. No more story line to explore, I have almost done every quest/mission.

4. I didn't even know about the nerfs.. shows how much I really been caring lately.

4. Friends are mostly gone for similar reasons.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

1. I'm paying money for a game I no longer enjoy logging onto.

You're paying money for a game you likely have never logged into to begin with. Imagine the game we'd have if money paid for FFXI subscriptions was actually spent on FFXI development.

[deces]

I really hope the devs idea of fixing this whole game dose not involve procs or magian trials. I belive those two ideas did more damage to this game than just about anything else. AF3 could of had a very rich quest line to obtain gear. the idea to collect # seals from aby and vw and it yours idea was pure cheapnes. even the NPC LB are stupid , once apon a time I used to enjoy activity with them , not so much anymore..

I think its funny that alot of the people who are going away now, were all the greedey ones who had most jobs capped and lotted all seals with thier LSs only to leave the ones left to be stuck with this shitty system to get the gear they need with no help. another example of sub par development.

[Vold]

I'll eventually quit out of principle if things don't change soon. Otherwise I'd just be a fool to not listen to myself preach what I preach. Like for example, lack of content(specifically EXPANSIONS) Why am I still paying full price for a fraction of the content I got 5 years ago? SE seems to think it is acceptable to cut the dev staff down to size to shove people onto 14 or where ever and still charge full price for a game that isn't supported nearly as much as it once was.



WARNING: The rest of this crap is blabbering

[Benihana]

I'll quit after I accomplish all the goals I have in the game. This hasn't happened yet. And when I do, I'm humble enough to know that it's for my reasons, not under some delusion that it's because the game is failing.

Yep! TBQMFH.

Delusional people, sup.

Ain't nobody payin them any attention.

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[Francisco]

You're paying money for a game you likely have never logged into to begin with. Imagine the game we'd have if money paid for FFXI subscriptions was actually spent on FFXI development.

This post infuriates me.

It infuriates me because you're probably absolutely right.

Wouldn't be shocked if for every dollar we're paying towards FFXI, four goes to FFXIV.

[Alerith]

Nobody quits FFXI. They always come back.

[Ravenmore]

I might quit for good when my crysta runs out if they don't do or anounce something big in the next two months. Mainly fixing VWNM loot system if not then I will gladly laugh my @## off when FF14 falls flat on its face.

[Alerith]

I might quit for good when my crysta runs out if they don't do or anounce something big in the next two months. Mainly fixing VWNM loot system if not then I will gladly laugh my @## off when FF14 falls flat on its face.

I dunno, XIV seems to be turning into something good. Without Tanaka and with Yoshida in charge, things are really looking up. I really don't think this is an SE problem. I think it's a Tanaka problem.

Fire Tanaka! Why? BALANCE!

[Ravenmore]

FF14 has to much agaisnt it now to ever get a fair shake. Evey review will point to its launch, the extended time it took for them to fix it, then the way they treated FF11 while digging it out. They burn the FF11 base so they can't count on that to fuel it. While it could end up recooping the money spent on it the damage it caused to the name of Final Fantasy is the real cost.

[Zaknafein]

No matter what I will never convert to 14. If it gets to the point where I am that disatisfied (I would be lying to say I am not close) I will try another MMO from a completely new company. I'll be dammed if I ever validate SE by going to 14 after they tried to forcibly move loyal customers instead of revamping a solid existing game. Far more $$$ has been spent on that turd now than was ever needed to bring XI into the next decade properly.

[Brolic]

Nobody quits FFXI. They always come back.

no, Originalkord is one of my last 3 remaining friends playing ffxi, he quits so will the other 2 most likely. When i quit last time i was quite content staying gone till i started getting harassed on facebook daily to come back.

Besides i got 5000 for my character last time, i wonder what i can get for this one

anyway, I intend to quit because my linkshell leader is

[Ravenmore]

No matter what I will never convert to 14. If it gets to the point where I am that disatisfied (I would be lying to say I am not close) I will try another MMO from a completely new company. I'll be dammed if I ever validate SE by going to 14 after they tried to forcibly move loyal customers instead of revamping a solid existing game. Far more $$$ has been spent on that turd now than was ever needed to bring XI into the next decade properly.

Yep, then why would you go to another MMO that will have all the same problems(excusses) creep up from the PS3. Then when the PS3 hit it limits would SE start another MMO instead of revamping and droping the dead weight.

[BitMusic]

no, Originalkord is one of my last 3 remaining friends playing ffxi, he quits so will the other 2 most likely. When i quit last time i was quite content staying gone till i started getting harassed on facebook daily to come back.

Besides i got 5000 for my character last time, i wonder what i can get for this one

anyway, I intend to quit because my linkshell leader is

I've been told good storys of your old apoc drk wish i had got to see it when the server merged happened.

[Zaknafein]

Yep, then why would you go to another MMO that will have all the same problems(excusses) creep up from the PS3. Then when the PS3 hit it limits would SE start another MMO instead of revamping and droping the dead weight.

I seriously doubt I will ever play another MMO that isn't strictly for pc. In the case of XI however, and as I previously stated the amount of $$$ being dumped on 14 was more than enough:

To make a ps3 version

To have released a proper full scale expansion with 99 (which in turn they could have charged 25-30 for)

[Ravenmore]

Agree it such a waste of time, money, and damage done to brand name. At this point the smartest thing SE could do is drop 14 and let the name Final Fantasy go away for a few years.

[Alhanelem]

This post infuriates me.

It infuriates me because you're probably absolutely right.

Wouldn't be shocked if for every dollar we're paying towards FFXI, four goes to FFXIV.
Not really, for every dollar we're paying towards FFXI, maybe three cents goes to FFXIV. SE is a big company with a whole ton of open projects in several different types of media. FFXIV is just one of those projects and very little of what we're paying is likely contributing to FFXIV at all, and this will be even less true once billing commences in a week or so.

[Damane]

Atm I am considering quitting.

Reasons:

1. The absurd relic/mythic trial that was brought up on the testserver. Dont understand me wrong, I did my relic back then at lvl 75 (4 years) now, when Dynamis was shit. I like challenges, but that Trial is just absurd and for the fact, people get older, I really dont ahve anymore the time to commit myself to such a game like back then. The motivation is down, because one never can really complete those trials.

2. Voidwatch: The loot system is ass, the Fights itself are ass. SE wanted to make something challening, thats fine with me, but they made Voidwatch ass. The fights are piss easy now (proc zerg style). The fact you need 18 people for this doesnt help, lowmaning is the key for FFXI. The procsystem from VW prevents lowmaning with 6 people. and the loot system sucks hardcore... 6 months since voidwatch introduction and countless fights later... still no rare/ex body.

3. Rehashed content: dont get me wrong, I like what they did to Dynamis (minus the proc system), it still doesnt change the fact that the content is ... old. Yes Dynamis is old, no matter how you turn it around, its the same thing as before just with another package and looking at the future there is only comeing more rehashed old content (tough I liked and still like nyzul and salvage), or there is comeing endgame that is ass (WoE is ass and VW is ass too).

4. no new areas. I would actually move this to the top. I would really like to see a new expansion on the scale of ToAU with totally NEW areas.

5. Dev Team: Ever since Abyssea ended, we only got... ass updates. I am frustrated with this Dev team since Tanaka got fired on FFXIV and moved back to FFXI. Noone is listening to concerns. People are voicing frustration over the VW lootsystem since the relase of it (6 months ago) and still no change... Its like we are back to olde SE where the Dev just closes their ears... yeah no thx had that and dont want to have that again.

This is definitly the last MMO I played from SE. No way in hell am I gonna touch FFXIV. I bought that game at release and got disapointed (literally stoped playing after 5 hours because it was so ass), now with the latest trend of FFXI, I really doubt SE will ever get a MMO right EVER. The same shit will start at FFXIV too, so no thx.

[FrankReynolds]

Not really, for every dollar we're paying towards FFXI, maybe three cents goes to FFXIV. SE is a big company with a whole ton of open projects in several different types of media. FFXIV is just one of those projects and very little of what we're paying is likely contributing to FFXIV at all, and this will be even less true once billing commences in a week or so.

Yeah, their not spending it on FFXIV. Their spending it on developing other successful games and then taking the money they make from those and spending it on FFXIV . It's totally different.

[Originalkord]

This is definitly the last MMO I played from SE. No way in hell am I gonna touch FFXIV. I bought that game at release and got disapointed (literally stoped playing after 5 hours because it was so ass), now with the latest trend of FFXI, I really doubt SE will ever get a MMO right EVER. The same shit will start at FFXIV too, so no thx.

I agree 100%. In the end, all of these games are simply part of a business.

FFXIV left such a horrible taste in my mouth from the beginning. I remember when it came out that SE was developing a new MMO. They announced their intentions and said "This will not be a Final Fantasy MMO and it will NOT be the equivalent of an add-on or sequel to 11"--it would be a completely different game. Then they release more info, and they decided to call it Final Fantasy after all. That left us 11 players wondering if they intend to abandon their current game and force the move to 14.

I'm not even going to go in to the failure that was 14, but I do believe if it wasn't so terrible and people subscribed, they would have gladly started to wind down 11 in the hopes people make the switch. I'm not saying shut 11 down completely ( I just KNOW someone would try to call me on that one lol), but they would more or less put it on auto-pilot. Eventually there would have been abyssea and a level cap increase, but I think it would have been a much different timeline. All things considered, Abyssea wasn't terrible, per se, but they were clearly not planning for any large scale release of content in the near future. I believe they were making a business decision and decided to put all their stock in to the success of 14. Nothing wrong with that, but unfortunately it didn't pay off, and we're paying for it. FF11 has been an after thought for a number of years now, that much is pretty clear.

I also feel that this level 99 cap increase was done VERY abrupbtly as well. It came out of nowhere. It felt like one day we were level 95, then the next day we were level 99, but had absolutely NO level 99 content to go with it. Maybe they did it to keep people away from TOR for the holiday season? I can really only speculate, but it just doesn't feel right to me.

In the end its the same company with the same history of lying and poor customer service. To me, replacing 11 with 14 really isn't a great option.

[Kimble]

Yeah, their not spending it on FFXIV. Their spending it on developing other successful games and then taking the money they make from those and spending it on FFXIV . It's totally different.

Honestly, any money you give to them goes to everything they do. Can't really get upset with it. Its how business works.

[Originalkord]

Honestly, any money you give to them goes to everything they do. Can't really get upset with it. Its how business works.

Not necessarily. We can actually go to the Square Enix Corporate Website and read the annual report to investors. It more than likely will actually list how money is being allocated to specific projects, and also where that money is coming from.

[JiltedValkyrie]

I'm finding myself leaning toward non-MMOs right now, but that always happens to me in waves. BF3 is great after the update, I have backlog of single-player games (haven't even opened Sonic Gen), and actually, XIV is pretty damn fun now. plus, XIV's future is very, very rosey indeed.

[Zaknafein]

They rushed 14 out to compete with a WoW expansion. That completely backfired.

"Oh geez! We better make nice with the 11 crowd." Throws everything, but the kitchen sink at us via abyssea.

"OK we have just about a year b4 XIV 2.0 comes out, and the game is less turdlike." Strings along XI faithful with more VW (crap drop rate/system), WoE (freaking dead as a doornail on weekdays, barely operational on weekends in JP primetime), and revamp/add multitudes of timesinks to old content).

"See! In a year XIV will finally be worth paying for, and XI users will be so bored to tears they will have no choice. They must move to XIV..." No thank you!!!

Honestly.. SE wake up, and throw some money at the XI Dev team for god's sake. Is it really that difficult of a concept.

PS: Guy who always denies the majority of profits from XI are not being funneled into correcting XIV... seriously? Are you really that delusional?

[Gokku]

5. Stress. A lot of newer content seems to be full of it. When I was 15 I was willing to go through the stress and suffering of events to get armor I wanted. Now I'm 23 and that doesn't fly well anymore. I won't spend 4 hours a day, twice a week for 3 years doing an event I hate to get armor. I won't put up with the headaches of selfish players. I won't put up with the favoritism of linkshell leaders. If that's the only way to play then I quit.

taken from another poster but this is exactly how i feel... i was going to type a WALL O TEXT, but who are we kidding this thread will either be locked or deleted and the devs will not respond to the player base.

[Kimble]

Not necessarily. We can actually go to the Square Enix Corporate Website and read the annual report to investors. It more than likely will actually list how money is being allocated to specific projects, and also where that money is coming from.

In the end though, does it really matter? They are still taking money that you willingly give them and use it on what they want.

It would be like me going "man, I really hate the grocery part of Wal-Mart but I like to buy my games there. The money I give them for games better only go toward the electronics department to carry more games I want!"

Just doesn't work that way.

[Dais]

I doubt I'm quitting for good but I am taking a month or two off at least. I do not find the post-90 content enjoyable, fulfilling, or rewarding. The voidwatch rewards are nice enough but trying to get a drop is like waiting for lightning to strike. Both WoE and VW take more people than I know who are on at once and joining those shout groups with 17 strangers takes me well out of my comfort zone. I also don't feel I need the top end gear to perform well any more. I do just fine without the HQest of the HQ.
I'll probably come back off and on and enjoy a single month's worth of new content out of 6 if they keep the direction they are headed in. I've already done dynamis, nyzul, salvage, limbus, and einherjar to death when I was 75 and a few excursions to the renewed events seem exciting, but I am only really willing to put a fraction of the time I originally spent there into the new portions.
In short, I have more interesting things to do and less time/patience to grind tirelessly for 1% droprates.

[Elphy]

I dont log in and play anymore and I havent for some time. I just cruise the boards now and then after an update to see what ppl feel about the new content and if its still worth my holding onto. Honestly I am waiting until the next roadmap before I completely close my account. If they are going to give us another HUGE expansion I will stay to check it out but if its just a few little things I will cancel completely.

And I LOVE how ppl who havent played xiv since just after beta or havent played it at all like to dog on it. "I will NEVER play another SE title EVER!" Sure ya wont. The fact of the matter is they are spending money on xiv, and alot of it, but not on xi. XIV is suffering from lack of content atm due to them fixing what tanaka broke but come feb in one of the major updates we get every 2 months, the content is going to start coming in and continue to do so until v2. It was even said the first xiv expansion is in developement. Seemings our server has about 1k ppl on it at any given time even tho its a 'fail game' should show how its progressing.

XI players are so raging against XIV its almost comical. But I bet you no matter how much u rage or deny, you will end up on xiv at some point of time

[Kimble]

I dont log in and play anymore and I havent for some time. I just cruise the boards now and then after an update to see what ppl feel about the new content and if its still worth my holding onto. Honestly I am waiting until the next roadmap before I completely close my account. If they are going to give us another HUGE expansion I will stay to check it out but if its just a few little things I will cancel completely.

And I LOVE how ppl who havent played xiv since just after beta or havent played it at all like to dog on it. "I will NEVER play another SE title EVER!" Sure ya wont. The fact of the matter is they are spending money on xiv, and alot of it, but not on xi. XIV is suffering from lack of content atm due to them fixing what tanaka broke but come feb in one of the major updates we get every 2 months, the content is going to start coming in and continue to do so until v2. It was even said the first xiv expansion is in developement. Seemings our server has about 1k ppl on it at any given time even tho its a 'fail game' should show how its progressing.

XI players are so raging against XIV its almost comical. But I bet you no matter how much u rage or deny, you will end up on xiv at some point of time

So, you really think its such a far fetched idea that people are so upset with a company, that they would refuse to pay for anything else from said company?

[Elphy]

So, you really think its such a far fetched idea that people are so upset with a company, that they would refuse to pay for anything else from said company?

When it comes to gamers.....yes

All they have to do it wave an exciting title around that gets some positive reviews and ppl will buy it, regardless

[Kimble]

When it comes to gamers.....yes

All they have to do it wave an exciting title around that gets some positive reviews and ppl will buy it, regardless

Well, the first major hurdle is for FFXIV to get one positive review.

[FrankReynolds]

In the end though, does it really matter? They are still taking money that you willingly give them and use it on what they want.

It would be like me going "man, I really hate the grocery part of Wal-Mart but I like to buy my games there. The money I give them for games better only go toward the electronics department to carry more games I want!"

Just doesn't work that way.

So if say HBO just stopped using your subscription fees to license new movies, and make new shows, and decided to spend it on say an oil line through kuwaite, you would be ok with seeing the same shitty shows for all eternity?

[Elphy]

Well, the first major hurdle is for FFXIV to get one positive review.

You need to get caught up on the current reviews and discussions before you make that sort of comment ^^

[Kimble]

So if say HBO just stopped using your subscription fees to license new movies, and make new shows, and decided to spend it on say an oil line through kuwaite, you would be ok with seeing the same shitty shows for all eternity?

Considering HBO has nothing to do with oil companies, your argument makes no sense.

[Kimble]

You need to get caught up on the current reviews and discussions before you make that sort of comment ^^

K, care to link me some of these reviews?

[Ravenmore]

Defend it all you want to the damage is done. I won't say its impossable for a game to recover from a bad launch just that its never been done and with SE track record these past few years they won't be the first. Yes I can never "buy" another SE title yet still play the good ones on the used market. That hurts SE and at this point in time they need to be punished. That is how companies learn.

Also "your server" has 1K players at peak is fact that its not the norm. Other servers barely get 300 to 400 at peaks and are getting merge(its going to be eatten alive in the reviews). It may one day recover the cost but damage has been done and the true cost will not be know for years. Also like I been saying whats to stop them from pulling the same crap with FF14 when its starts to become dated will they milk your MMO to fund another or will they update it. Will they cut the dead weight of a console if it started to hold back the game? Another fact is 1mil people may not bother with FF14 and after the crap they did with FFXI to push out 14 the mass player base migration they had hope for will also not happen.

While SE might not go under. They will keep merging with other comapnies to get thier hands on titles they haven't burn to the ground to stay a float, oh wait they just did that not long ago. Then their is the the other MMOs that are better then anything SE could dream of producing.

[Elphy]

K, care to link me some of these reviews?

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiv-1-19-patch-shows-bright-future-for-ps3-release/

[Ravenmore]

That review is from 3 months ago before the true numbers of 14 were known and before SE fially amitted they will have to merge servers.

[Elphy]

As I said I love how ppl who play xi will not admit xiv may have some merit or a future, even if they do not currently or have ever played the game. Its the old ffxi vs WoW thing all over again lol.

And to top it off if there is a review that speaks of how the game is improving or may have a future its poopoo'd immediately.

Its just silly

[Kimble]

Only one? That review really didn't say much besides "its getting a little bit, but still needs a lot of work"

[Ravenmore]

What also speaks for it is the first results that come up on google are negative. I thnk you put in "good reviews for FF14" cause just putting in reviews for FF14 yeilded the IGN.com review bashing it to hell. Even FF11 hasn't shed its past even though it is now easier and faster to level then WoW.

[Kimble]

As I said I love how ppl who play xi will not admit xiv may have some merit or a future, even if they do not currently or have ever played the game. Its the old ffxi vs WoW thing all over again lol.

And to top it off if there is a review that speaks of how the game is improving or may have a future its poopoo'd immediately.

Its just silly

I think you are missing the point.

Can XIV make a come back? I believe most say its possible but they wouldn't count on it. SE can say things that make everything sound great, but then implement poorly.

Sadly, need to realize, this game wont even been relevant again till 2013 and by then, even more MMOs can come and people will forget all about it. Star Wars is already starting up, and if GW2 comes out before then, that could very well kill anything XIV has going fo rit.

[Elphy]

As I said before...

I love how ppl who play xi will not admit xiv may have some merit or a future, even if they do not currently or have ever played the game. Its the old ffxi vs WoW thing all over again lol.

And to top it off if there is a review that speaks of how the game is improving or may have a future its poopoo'd immediately.

Its just silly

Ends convo here ^^

[Ravenmore]

I admit it may make money I also admit it did far more damage then can be measured at this time. The PS3 is over a year off and with so many MMOs out and the fanboys of old Final Fantasy waking up it doesn't look good. The final Fantasy name has been taking hits for years and the fanboys of it are now leaving it behind. FF11 came out in a time when MMO were new and the FF name wasn't as tainted, now people know what they want to expect out of MMOs and SE is behind the times.

[Orson]

Still unsure, but I could very well be quitting in the coming weeks. If I do, the reasons are:

- Friends driven away from FFXI by recent changes, or went to new MMOs.

- Lack of casual new content (options limited when most of your friends quit).

- Unobtainable goals. 1500 Heavy Metal Plates, or soloing a relic is something I might grind through if the 99 Trial didn't look to be so absurd. But even now, with the way the game is going, the effort doesn't seem to be worth it, even if the 99 trial turns out to be bowing to a Magian Moogle.

- Game seems to be headed back to complacency/stagnation.

I'm in Fran's LS and just quit this month. This is exactly the sentiment I've been having.

[ManaKing]

I don't think I will quit FFXI anytime soon. I am frustrated at a couple of things, but I don't think that is enough to make me quit.

Right now, I am working an extra job, which basically takes all off my FFXI time, except for some on the weekends. So if this is the down point for the next couple of months, it comes at a good time for me, because I am missing it.

I main RDM. If you don't know why that would make me contemplate quitting, then you don't main RDM. Several jobs are very under powered or unattractive compared to others, but they aren't balancing this game in a method that inspires confidence. WAR and MNK needed nerfs? No Duh! You missed NIN, but outside of aby it's not such a big issue. So my question is, why start with the bad news for popular jobs, instead of starting with the good news for jobs that actually need it? There is no transparency on what is coming for the jobs that actually need attention. We have no idea when the jobs that are actually hurting are getting fixed, if ever.

2nd issue is when are we getting new story? We were told Cait Sith and Atmos were coming for SMN. I assumed that we would get new stories with that. I love Nyzul, so I'm assuming I'll actually be able to get people together for that more consistently after they do revisions. I don't mind if SE wants to get more mileage out of current content by making it more accessible like they did with dynamis, but I completely expect new plot lines on something in the near future. This game was semi-story based at one point. The story for aby is, once upon a time adventures were so bored of their own world, that they were willing to go save an alternate reality for the promise of better loot...that's it. There wasn't anything new or interesting TBH.

To voice my opinion of FFXIV vs FFXI, it's simple. The crafting in FFXIV was awesome. What you made with crafting was completely pointless, because the combat was boring and unimpressive and the story line was awful. Anyone that played FFXI at any point can tell you that the jobs in FFXIV are a low point and the game shouldn't be called FF because it doesn't use FF jobs. There are many things that FFXIV failed to achieve for it's players that FFXI got right on day one or shortly there after. Everyone expects FFXIV to be better than FFXI and that is what is going to have to happen if they want FFXIV to ever see the light of day with a profit.

Make a decision SE. At some point you are going to run out of interest in your MMOs if you don't start taking this seriously. I'd rather not play FFXIV because I enjoy FFXI significantly more. If you let FFXI become stagnant and you don't make REAL changes to FFXIV that cater to FFXI players, then you won't be keeping us. I played FFXIV at beta and i played it 5 months later for a month. Both times were complete disappointments. FFXIV at some point may or may not be worth picking up a 3rd time, but I'm not holding my breath and I'm not paying SE a dime until they restore some actual confidence in their game.

[Sharnak]

Ok i'm not quit this game since i play this game more than 7th years and still have friend to play with if i will quit this is my reason.

1. No more friend to play with anymore.
2. Dev Team still use easy way to develop game

- Nerf Job instead Improve other -
- More 16 ppl NM or BC with evilness drop rate - I want to play with friend more than random ppl on events, oh god i can't find any after abby. even VW on first stat we do with only 6 ppl may lose and win but it's fun with friend who care about how many death. But after that It become impossible to lowman so we stop bother with it. Each of us need to go catch random ppl VW. That is no more fun for me so i nv do it again.
- Make only Hardcore base

[Kimble]

As I said before...

I love how ppl who play xi will not admit xiv may have some merit or a future, even if they do not currently or have ever played the game. Its the old ffxi vs WoW thing all over again lol.

And to top it off if there is a review that speaks of how the game is improving or may have a future its poopoo'd immediately.

Its just silly

Ends convo here ^^

I love how ppl who play xiv will not admit that people who have played xi and has dealt with how bad SE's communication can be and how they fail to implement content, might just not want to deal with SE's MMOs anymore.

And to top it off if there is a review that speaks of how the game is improving but still has a lot of flaws and over a year away from a relaunch and release on ps3.

Its just silly

What you are saying is just dumb because people are like "im done with SE and don't really want to even bother with XIV" and you are basically going "lol, no, you guys are ALL lying, I KNOW you will all be playing XIV" when that simply isnt true.

[Sharnak]

If I quit it's cuz

1. No more friend to play with.
2. Dev team still choose easy way to develop game.
3. Mr T. way come before player base.

And I really wonder why ppl keep flamming on ppl who try to suggest how game developing. I really think ppl who complain about it is show how their like it. (No matter how silly or brillent idea they suggest) It's easy that just play and fun what SE give, and quit when you boring. But only ppl who really love it will sugggest will complain how game must go on. So stop use easy ways say "If you not like it just stop play" It's always choice form start, just good player not choose until it's no more choice.

Please Dev Team, stop thinking this complain is just a ignorable idea. It's was reflex form ppl who love this game. not just play this game for a while for fun. One day if these ppl choose the last choice you will only have ppl who like to enjoy a bit in some time and can quit any time to replace them.

[mattkoko]

how about this. if you dont like it. quit. SE is not going to listen because people complain. it is a video game. they realize they cannot please everyone. if i were the dev. team, i wouldnt be listening to people that cuss me out and tell me i am doing it wrong either. you really think they are going to listen to a bunch of raging nut jobs posting a bulletin. news flash, your a moron. they have plenty of other successful games. this game is basically just a cash cow for them. so no they are not losing money. in all honesty, if they were losing money, they would have shut down the game by now. i am tired of people posting that they are quitting. if you are going to quit, do yourself and everyone else a favor. stfu and quit. :)

[Kimble]

how about this. if you dont like it. quit. SE is not going to listen because people complain. it is a video game. they realize they cannot please everyone. if i were the dev. team, i wouldnt be listening to people that cuss me out and tell me i am doing it wrong either. you really think they are going to listen to a bunch of raging nut jobs posting a bulletin. news flash, your a moron. they have plenty of other successful games. this game is basically just a cash cow for them. so no they are not losing money. in all honesty, if they were losing money, they would have shut down the game by now. i am tired of people posting that they are quitting. if you are going to quit, do yourself and everyone else a favor. stfu and quit. :)

I'll just leave this here.

[kewitt]

Well, My hubby and I have stopped payment, We are going out of town. But when we come back there is very little left for us to do.

We haven't played more then 5 days between LB 90 cap and LB 95 cap
Logged on got 95 LB items 1st day back.
Took 5 jobs from 90 to 95 in 2 day.
At that rate, I could likely finish getting all my jobs to 99 in a week maybe 2 tops after breaking cap.
Failed at 95 LB 2 times so far.. last try got NM to like 1-2% dia didn't kill it however.

All Missions done but WoTG only 10 or so then My hubby and I are done that too.
Only about 60 Quest pre 75 left to do then every quest in the game will be done.
Reason for getting God gear is to be able to do story with ease.
At level 95 all the 75 level story is already on easy mode. Post 75 no new stories added.

Current reason to get better gear is only to get better gear. Seem pointless without giving something to look forward too.



I recall taking 5 weeks of my static fighting Aht 44 missions before we finally got win...back with a 75 level cap.
I recall raising then raising Prishe and dieing a second later only to have Prishe finish fight with a wipe and get win.
I recall my 1st job at level 75 meaning something because it took time to do.
I recall So many thing that made me feel good and like I got something done, a pay off for my effort.

Now I just go threw the motions with nothing really to look forward to..

Things I would need to stay interested in FFXI, Another full expansions, honestly with Level caps, that can be done with 4 people casual players nothing to hard but not sol able. Max of one Battle field Mission per Conquest week with about 30 or so Battle field missions. And 3-4 Side quest to do on your own time or LS well waiting for Next conquest week, these side quest could be a CS, or gathering, or even a delivery quest. I would gladly pay $39.95 for this, and more importantly would keep me playing for another 30+ weeks.

[Ravenmore]

how about this. if you dont like it. quit. SE is not going to listen because people complain. it is a video game. they realize they cannot please everyone. if i were the dev. team, i wouldnt be listening to people that cuss me out and tell me i am doing it wrong either. you really think they are going to listen to a bunch of raging nut jobs posting a bulletin. news flash, your a moron. they have plenty of other successful games. this game is basically just a cash cow for them. so no they are not losing money. in all honesty, if they were losing money, they would have shut down the game by now. i am tired of people posting that they are quitting. if you are going to quit, do yourself and everyone else a favor. stfu and quit. :)

No they don't. They are starting to feel the pain and when the reviewers of IGN and other game site and mags review 2.0 the first thing they will bring up is the 2 years of beta testing, then the sevrer merges and how they treat the other MMO they run. They are lossing ground every where for any FF title to not break a mil in its first weak is a bad sign. Sorry but they will listen either now or when people stop buying their crap on name alone.

[mattkoko]

my point is, they probably wont listen when people are cussing them out. everyone wants everything and they expect everything to be fixed over night. its just not going to happen. and people cussing them out is not going to help matters. after a while you just stop listen to bitching lol

[Doombringer]

When it comes to gamers.....yes

All they have to do it wave an exciting title around that gets some positive reviews and ppl will buy it, regardless

for what it's worth... activision has not gotten 1 penny out of me since modern warfare 2. not ALL gamers are retarded lemmings. some of us DO vote with our dollars, so to speak.

[Zaknafein]

I would love to know what % of XIV accounts will go inactive when they start charging for it. That begins on Jan 1st? Maybe that will be an eye opener for them. Honestly I don't wish failure on XIV. I just hate that they thought loyal XI fans would be muscled over to that title. Even if it had launched without any issues I had no intention of walking away from 8 years of hard labor on XI. So I could start from scratch just to get some fancy graphics? Not top on my list of wants. Give me some content, and storylines. A true challenge, and not some epic magian trial grind BS. An expansion with new zones, and a new open end game area like Sky/Sea without time constraint crap. That's all I need to be happy with XI.

Could XIV turn a profit at some point down the road? Possible. Am I willing to invest my free time into a product that choked, stuttered, and wheezed it's it's way out of the gate? A title that won't even live up to the hype of what it should have been opening day until XIV 2.0 rolls around in Dec 2012. In today's MMO market with ever increasing contention for MMO players to fill existing titles, with several monster titles on the way my decision is clear. No way.

Just such a shame that XI has to suffer when a modest investment into it's development would have kept it's user base content while keeping them open towards XIV, because they were happy. How can an error that blatant go unseen?

[Kimble]

Really, FFXI's development started to die in late 2007 sadly.

[Michae]

While Elphy has some good and bad points I do have to side with the xiv not being as bad as it used to be. Esp since there has been leaps and bounds made by the new dev team. And alot of what we have now is in the form of unrepeatable live events. I found this article which I think is more what she should have posted since its from a gamers point of view

http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/4195/article/radical-dreamers-or-why-you-should-be-playing-ffxiv-right-now/

I also canceled but then heard a squeak about a new expansion in the works so I thought perhaps I would wait and see so I reactivated just to be 100% sure I dont loose anything. The bad thing is that I am paying for a game I am not currently playing. Im trying to keep up to date on news tho which is why I am on the forums ^^

I log in, listen to /sh to see whats going on. Aby Aby Aby WoE VW VW Aby VW. I have everything done but a coupld wotg quests, all past endgame has been corrupted or no one plays, the empy weapons are good but getting them is redundant and boring, as is all the rest of anything Magians. So I log out.

Waiting patiently on the roadmap, as we are being charged (minimally I may add) for xiv starting jan 6th I am getting a discount on ffxi for awhile so I suppose I can wait. Still they wont squeeze more than a few more months of billing out of me before I finally put the game to rest and move on, roadmap or not. Either in FFXIV if it keeps going the way its going or I will just play offline. idk we will see

Oh and p.s. I think ffx-2, ffxii, ffxiii and so on hurt the brand more than anything. Those were just aweful games. idk what se has been thinking when they approve some of these games.

[Zaknafein]

Really, FFXI's development started to die in late 2007 sadly.

Yep. They planned to just herd us like sheeple on over to the next flagship title. Oooppss guess that didn't work out as planned. Sooner they accept that reality, and do some serious work to XI instead of running the development brothers ragged the better off we'll be.

[Kimble]

Yep. They planned to just herd us like sheeple on over to the next flagship title. Oooppss guess that didn't work out as planned. Sooner they accept that reality, and do some serious work to XI instead of running the development brothers ragged the better off we'll be.

The game is to old at this point and I think a lot of the damage as been done. Don't really think there is a way to keep it going.

Being tied to PS2 is hurting it a lot as well but nothing you can do to change that really.

[Kimble]

If there is a expansion for XIV coming out, they better give that shit to us for free for buying the game since its prob just going to be added as part of the 2.0 pack.

[Michae]

If there is a expansion for XIV coming out, they better give that shit to us for free for buying the game since its prob just going to be added as part of the 2.0 pack.

If you buy xiv now you get all updated v2 everything free, no charge no fuss. Just download it and ur good.

The expansion squeak I referred to was on xi's dev tracker. Which is why Im going to give xi 1 last push to see if this new expansion for ffxi is real and if it sounds at all interesting.

(side note: xiv already does have an expansion in the works but we prob wont see it til late 2013 at the earliest as its just in the beginning stages, and they need to be sure v2 doesnt tank too. They mentioned 2 new races in developement for it. A draconic and another humanoid. But Yoshi P's team is also very good at what they do, I just wish they had more ppl who knew what they were doing at se)

Did I mention we are getting boy mithra and girl galka in v2 as playable races? That alone will be a sight to see lol

[Michae]

Yep. They planned to just herd us like sheeple on over to the next flagship title. Oooppss guess that didn't work out as planned. Sooner they accept that reality, and do some serious work to XI instead of running the development brothers ragged the better off we'll be.

Yeah I believe they were purposely trying to loose players on xi to get them onto xiv as well. And now they are backtracking and trying to save face. Oh what a complicated web we weave

[Monchat]

As I said before...

I love how ppl who play xi will not admit xiv may have some merit or a future, even if they do not currently or have ever played the game. Its the old ffxi vs WoW thing all over again lol.


I played FF14 from release to january 2011, left just after the new guy came in charge. Everything in ths game sucked. But people had been saying it since the first week of alpha, and the devs do not listen. So many things in the game was made to piss off the player. Exping was : "1 button" smashing for hours. Guildleve: 30 minute to move to a camp, 5 minute fight, zero reward... Crafting: enter spam for 5 hours to get 1 level... Fatigue: if you exp for more than 2 hours your exp is halved... Bazar: spend 2 hours checking every other player's bazars ( half of which sell marmot's hides).. Only thing I liked was stories in class's mission and city missions ( and there weren't many). Zero battle content.

Oh look, that's what the dev team is doing in ff11 lol.

Level 95 content:
-dynamis content completed in like 4 days ( 5 THF hands, 2 MNK hand, 2 MNK feet). As expected, most the relic +2 are garbage. They add a drop to mobs in the area and call it content.
-WoE: dead before born.
-GoV: they add a ground tome in random places and call it content.
-Merit WS: they mostly suck.
-Magian trials@99: upgrades suck ( look at BLM's staves lol).
- Relic, mythic, empy 99 trials: suspense! But we all know what they will come up with.

I think i'll desactivate to till something that doesnt stink like vw, comes out.

[Zaknafein]

The game is to old at this point and I think a lot of the damage as been done. Don't really think there is a way to keep it going.

Being tied to PS2 is hurting it a lot as well but nothing you can do to change that really.

That might very well be true. I hold out hope still that they will have an epiphany, and throw some cash at XI in one last hurrah. Honestly for me I am only here still because of the massive investment in time spent. I still have not changed to the new SE account or billing system. I went, and got a gamercard to do the crysta with months ago. However I just don't feel like jumping through hoops or dealing with shady companies just to give my $$$ to a MMO I've been a faithful customer of for 8 years.

Honestly I am kinda hoping they shut people like me off soon. Ones who haven't converted their billing. When that day comes if there hasn't been any sort of announcement or positive changes made I will just let it go.

If/when that day comes in regards to XIV I just refuse to move over out of stubborn principle. Last FF title I bought was 12. Played, and beat all previous ones. 12 sucked tho so I never bought 13. Same as with XI. It has long been neglected. Never purchased XIV.

I understand XIV has made leaps, and bounds. I also believe they will continue to pour dump truck sized loads of $$$ on it till it gets where it needs to be. Only way I would ever even consider it is if my XI account is closed, and I try multiple other MMO's from different companies, and decide they are not worth playing.

[Runespider]

The game is to old at this point and I think a lot of the damage as been done. Don't really think there is a way to keep it going.

Being tied to PS2 is hurting it a lot as well but nothing you can do to change that really.

Age has nothing to do with it, at all. WoW is still king of the MMOS, and lets be honest Abyssea blew us all out of the water. It totally changed and invigorated the game for us all (that gave it a fair try), they can do that again easily...it's just down to if they want to. As for PS2, they can drop support for that if they wanted to.

Also if any serious long time player moves to FFXIV I hope you get burned again by them in the future, it's one thing to get it from FFXI but to know how they operate and willingly go back into bed with them for another MMO is asenine.

Also if they can't keep the XI playerbase happy (which isn't hard honestly, just add more content and don't make it punishing) then what hope do they have actually running and turning around a game everyone hates?

[Kimble]

Age has nothing to do with it, at all. WoW is still king of the MMOS, and lets be honest Abyssea blew us all out of the water. It totally changed and invigorated the game for us all (that gave it a fair try), they can do that again easily...it's just down to if they want to. As for PS2, they can drop support for that if they wanted to.

Also if any serious long time player moves to FFXIV I hope you get burned again by them in the future, it's one thing to get it from FFXI but to know how they operate and willingly go back into bed with them for another MMO is asenine.

Its already be discussed before. Its not as simple as just dropping the ps2. They would have to rebuild the game from the ground up and they don't have man-power to do that anymore.

[Chilzen]

I'm taking a small break from XI til the 99 Relic / Mythic / Emps are all sorted out, since after seeing HMP play out, the deja vu is strong with this one. I was only 1/3rd the way done with Stage 4 EXCALIPOOR with a month of dedicated play, but it was an amazing month where me and another player were duoing and making great strides in progress on our weapons. I felt that it was a nice time investment challenge for players who wished to undertake it, and enjoyed the fact that it wasn't like the past, where poor game design forced the playerbase to cannibalize one another to ultimately have one person standing with the prize of a completed Relic. Remember that in old Dyna, many members would put the time in to complete someone's Relic, yet at best the helpers would only gain Relic armor as compensation, and with the news of needing to kill Arch level bosses multiple times to complete someone's hard work, it looks like they wanna turn the clocks back and party like it's 2005 again for anything worthwhile.

Now... It's just becoming clear that the game is going in a direction I don't agree with, unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hats like Yoshi-P has with XIV to invigorate Vana'diel once more. The biggest problems I see is that the playerbase has aged, and for awhile there the devs were making content with that fact in mind. Now the content, as well as drops involved are getting much more time sink in nature whilst the rewards are somehow giving diminishing returns. Back to 1,500 HMP to make most weapons gain... 3-5 DMG and I think... +2 to their weapon's stat strikes me as a very good example of recent design to support my claim.

Anywho, bought The Old Republic and WoW this month since I wanna see how SE is going to handle all the player backlash, and hopefully they'll give a reasonable challenge that we can all accomplish as a team, like Divine Might's optional fight that granted great rewards for everyone, not just for a single player. If they keep the game stagnating and want to make it where only that .3% of the playerbase will ever have a chance to finish their hard work in their weaponry, then hey, I got me some viable backup MMOs now that seem to understand we pay to have fun with our playtime.

[chubrocka]

I did a few months ago. I will not return unless there is another exp

[axlzero]

I love how authoritatively people state this, despite having no access to SquareEnix's subscription numbers.

And how they've done this exactly for the entire lifespan of the game.

Because frustrated players are so arrogant that they believe their frustration extends to everyone.

there is a simple way to know that the player base is shrinking your server gets shut down and you get moved to another server

[Ravenmore]

my point is, they probably wont listen when people are cussing them out. everyone wants everything and they expect everything to be fixed over night. its just not going to happen. and people cussing them out is not going to help matters. after a while you just stop listen to bitching lol

Yeah they do, it got a reponse from Ito on the JP boards when they blow the hell up over of the mis-translation of ZAM interview. Plus mine and others comments in this thread here have been restrained with little cussing if any. Just stating the truth they are seeing for them selfs at this point, their sales are going down and people are upset. Only reason we don't get reponses is the devs don't read anything from the NA/EU players directly. Do you think any rep here is going to pass negative feed back on even if we wrap it in butterflies and rainbows they won't, they get payed to shut us up and feed us the line the devs already gave out to the JPs or already working on.

[axlzero]

you wanna keep me from quiting here is how

1. complete overhaul of all armors and weapons levels, stats, and cost of crafting and npc selling. (remove penalty stats on everything lvl 75 and below and on HQ crafted items reverse the penalty example: hauberk no -agi/eva and HQ +agi/eva). make crafted item so you buy the materials from npc vendor craft item then sell to npc vendor for profit (you get paid for your labor) bonus gil for HQ. if you npc items like weapons to a weapons vendor it adds to the list of weapons that they sell exception rar or rar/ex stuff or augmented items.

2. revamp of synergy system that allows for combineing of armors weapons and accesories (allow people to take things like elemental earrings and rings take all 8 or 6 of them and merge them into one to free up inventory space). also allow people to merg all armors below lvl 75 to make new armor example: merge the darksteel hanress set into the coral scale set to make armor that give -dmg taken and -mag dmg taken into one set then fold into kirins osode set.

3.undo all nerfs to all jobs that have happen over the years and just improve other jobs that have fallen behind (you wanna fix pld its simple give pld triple attack, counter shield bash, pld attacks with shield crashes like monk do with kick attacks, give pld an assortment of shield bashes that cause enfeeblements shield flash "blind" shield crash "bind" shield bash "stun" shield bounce "counterstance affect". give pld cure V, stoneskin, haste, refresh, regen, and some spell to remove -stat effects if you do that with the new weapons and armors available paladins should hold hate very well

4. come up with a better way to get pop items for Fafnir, Niddhogg, King Behemoth, and Aspid and other hnms your current way sucks how about filling Behemoths Dominion with behemoths and they respawn every 15 min have kaiser behemoths for nq and King Behemoth for Hq, in dragons ary have a bunch of regular wyrms that you kill to get the pop for Fafnir then Niddhog is dropp from Fafnir 1/3 chance same ideah in Valley of Sorrows i would like to finish up my hnm stuff. The system in place is messed up getting blackbelt blows donkey balls right now cause the key items are a lot harder to get then before so fix it

5. increase lvl cap on crafting make it so you can take all crafts to 100 and take one to 125 (exmpt fishing) now harder crafting stuff just make is so you can HQ more stuff

6. remove number of people requirements for certain events. This would be a great help to players who wanna climb floors in nysle isle, do assults to finish there captain rank, and would make getting mythic weapons less painfull a progress. If you got the balls to solo you can do it and if solo no level cap in certain events like outpost garrison.

7. make all nms procable even outside of abyssea. this is mainly to improve drop rates on annoying things like the Defending Ring.

8. justice for "troll" players. some players are just jerks if you get one that has a long list of complaints they get turned into a beastmen orc, quadv, or yagudo (depending on nation). When they enter a city an alarm sounds and npcs that are garrison guards will attack them all player can engage them if they die the lose exp. There homepoint is set to a beastmen stronghold where they are considered traitors and are attacked by them. Also this punishment will go on for one week of actual logged on game play time then they revert to normal. Just think of all the payback you can get on troll players i wil not give names but some of the biggest jerks can be found on ffxiah forums.

9.better rewards for Ballista, Brenner, and Diorama Abdhaljs-Ghelsba i would like to see a revamp of these systems and better faster controls maybe a new combat engine with the ability to get nice stuff like abjs, dynamis money, ancient beast coins, -1 dynamis relic items for upgrade, items to upgrade normal af armor, force pop items for some nms it would make people goto that system and play it more

10. finally all the players and account that where banned during the incedent where people were cloneing nysle isle equipment. Ultimatly you were the ones that dropped the ball and made the mistake and you punished the players for it. You were in the wrong then and you are in the wrong now for not letting them come back reinstate them. If your people had not made an error i the system it would of never happen. I did not take part it but i feel that it was not there fault let them come back with there accounts if they want to. fact is you problably lost them all from all final fantasy games and there not comming id

if someone from SE actually reads this or this thread ill be amazed cause North American opionons dont mean anything to them they only listen to jp forums and the jp players are the ones who wanted the nerfs on warrior and monk (idiots)

[Glacont]

you wanna keep me from quiting here is how

1. complete overhaul of all armors and weapons levels, stats, and cost of crafting and npc selling. (remove penalty stats on everything lvl 75 and below and on HQ crafted items reverse the penalty example: hauberk no -agi/eva and HQ +agi/eva). make crafted item so you buy the materials from npc vendor craft item then sell to npc vendor for profit (you get paid for your labor) bonus gil for HQ. if you npc items like weapons to a weapons vendor it adds to the list of weapons that they sell exception rar or rar/ex stuff or augmented items.

2. revamp of synergy system that allows for combineing of armors weapons and accesories (allow people to take things like elemental earrings and rings take all 8 or 6 of them and merge them into one to free up inventory space). also allow people to merg all armors below lvl 75 to make new armor example: merge the darksteel hanress set into the coral scale set to make armor that give -dmg taken and -mag dmg taken into one set then fold into kirins osode set.

3.undo all nerfs to all jobs that have happen over the years and just improve other jobs that have fallen behind (you wanna fix pld its simple give pld triple attack, counter shield bash, pld attacks with shield crashes like monk do with kick attacks, give pld an assortment of shield bashes that cause enfeeblements shield flash "blind" shield crash "bind" shield bash "stun" shield bounce "counterstance affect". give pld cure V, stoneskin, haste, refresh, regen, and some spell to remove -stat effects if you do that with the new weapons and armors available paladins should hold hate very well

4. come up with a better way to get pop items for Fafnir, Niddhogg, King Behemoth, and Aspid and other hnms your current way sucks how about filling Behemoths Dominion with behemoths and they respawn every 15 min have kaiser behemoths for nq and King Behemoth for Hq, in dragons ary have a bunch of regular wyrms that you kill to get the pop for Fafnir then Niddhog is dropp from Fafnir 1/3 chance same ideah in Valley of Sorrows i would like to finish up my hnm stuff. The system in place is messed up getting blackbelt blows donkey balls right now cause the key items are a lot harder to get then before so fix it

5. increase lvl cap on crafting make it so you can take all crafts to 100 and take one to 125 (exmpt fishing) now harder crafting stuff just make is so you can HQ more stuff

6. remove number of people requirements for certain events. This would be a great help to players who wanna climb floors in nysle isle, do assults to finish there captain rank, and would make getting mythic weapons less painfull a progress. If you got the balls to solo you can do it and if solo no level cap in certain events like outpost garrison.

7. make all nms procable even outside of abyssea. this is mainly to improve drop rates on annoying things like the Defending Ring.

8. justice for "troll" players. some players are just jerks if you get one that has a long list of complaints they get turned into a beastmen orc, quadv, or yagudo (depending on nation). When they enter a city an alarm sounds and npcs that are garrison guards will attack them all player can engage them if they die the lose exp. There homepoint is set to a beastmen stronghold where they are considered traitors and are attacked by them. Also this punishment will go on for one week of actual logged on game play time then they revert to normal. Just think of all the payback you can get on troll players i wil not give names but some of the biggest jerks can be found on ffxiah forums.

9.better rewards for Ballista, Brenner, and Diorama Abdhaljs-Ghelsba i would like to see a revamp of these systems and better faster controls maybe a new combat engine with the ability to get nice stuff like abjs, dynamis money, ancient beast coins, -1 dynamis relic items for upgrade, items to upgrade normal af armor, force pop items for some nms it would make people goto that system and play it more

10. finally all the players and account that where banned during the incedent where people were cloneing nysle isle equipment. Ultimatly you were the ones that dropped the ball and made the mistake and you punished the players for it. You were in the wrong then and you are in the wrong now for not letting them come back reinstate them. If your people had not made an error i the system it would of never happen. I did not take part it but i feel that it was not there fault let them come back with there accounts if they want to. fact is you problably lost them all from all final fantasy games and there not comming id

if someone from SE actually reads this or this thread ill be amazed cause North American opionons dont mean anything to them they only listen to jp forums and the jp players are the ones who wanted the nerfs on warrior and monk (idiots)

I am blown away by everything You have mention. You have My Vote!

[axlzero]

I am blown away by everything You have mention. You have My Vote!

thank you i got more ideahs i though about putting my resume up on forums for the developement team i am in need of a job right now and i can travel to japan if need be i got a passport and exp with forign travels and work

[FrankReynolds]

Considering HBO has nothing to do with oil companies, your argument makes no sense.

That was actually the point. FFXI has nothing to do with any of the other games they make. When they stop development or bring it to a crawl and spend the money I paid for the service on some other game, I don't get what I paid for. Someone else does. In your walmart analogy, this would be like them taking your 100$ in grocery money, and giving you $50 worth of groceries, and then giving the other $50 to a guy over in electronics to build a nifty home theater display.

Its pretty dumb to pay the same amount every month for a service that continuously degrades because the money that should be spent on managing it is being spent on completely unrelated expenses.

[Zaknafein]

Amen. We're not asking SE to spend every cent of profit directly back into XI development. All were asking for is to not let the game go to $hit.

[Kimble]

That was actually the point. FFXI has nothing to do with any of the other games they make. When they stop development or bring it to a crawl and spend the money I paid for the service on some other game, I don't get what I paid for. Someone else does. In your walmart analogy, this would be like them taking your 100$ in grocery money, and giving you $50 worth of groceries, and then giving the other $50 to a guy over in electronics to build a nifty home theater display.

Its pretty dumb to pay the same amount every month for a service that continuously degrades because the money that should be spent on managing it is being spent on completely unrelated expenses.

I think you are totally missing the point though. People saying "all the money we are paying is going to fund XIV!" are pretty much wrong when all the money we pay for XI goes to everything SE makes as a whole.

I mean, if thats the case, were do they get money to make other games from? Hell, you could say that FFXI's profits paid for XII, XIII and XIII-2 as well. Its not like that just funded its self.

Im paying 12.95 for FFXI, and im still getting that back. It's not like im giving them 12.95 and they are only giving me half a month of service.

I'm just saying, stating it is SPECIFICALLY going to XIV is wrong.

[Scribble]

thank you i got more ideahs i though about putting my resume up on forums for the developement team i am in need of a job right now and i can travel to japan if need be i got a passport and exp with forign travels and work
Your ideas basically are asking SE to remake FFXI.

1. Way too much work. For the most part, people are not using old armor so why put forth so much time and effort to adjust it?

2. Making kirin's osode on a ring slot is a bit much. I like the idea of combining gear, but some of the gear we have now is overpowered so I don't think this would work well. I'd rather see synergy used to make a piece of gear look like a different piece of gear. The benefits would be great.

3. Giving one job abilities that make other jobs standout will lead to a stale experience. Why bring a blm if a pld can stun? Why bring a rdm if a pld can enfeeble? Too many negatives to even consider this idea unless the added effects are exclusive to pld and all jobs get useful abilities like this. Otherwise FFXI will wind up a game that people only play 4 jobs in.

4. To this day the Black Belt remains one of the best items you could have for your job in the game. It should be a pita to get one. I agree that the fight requirements should be adjusted for people who just want to experience the content, but incredible items like that should be hard to come by.

5. Crafting is hard enough to make money in... what is the point of buying any armor from AH if you can make it all yourself? The only thing the AH will sell is consumables and materials. Some people chose crafting because they don't like to farm. If you remove the limit then you basically remove the market and the ability to make gil. Not good.

6. Many of these requirements have been reduced or cut drastically, but with SE trying to breathe new life into events like salvage and nyzul I don't see them doing it again soon. At least wait to see what changes the next update brings before making a judgement on that one.

7. I really dislike the proc system. Actually, I'll go so far as to say I hate it.

8. Grief the grievers? Why waste the time? When you do they accomplish what they're trying to do in the first place.

9. The XI community doesn't really care for PvP. Although I liked it, the game mechanics of XI aren't set up well to support balancing people for both PvP and PvE content. I think it would draw back a small crowd that would quickly fade when they realized that two jobs can basically lockdown any other job combos.

10. You want to un-ban people who were known to exploit the game? You have a few good ideas, but this one is by far one of the worst I've seen here on the forums. Why un-ban people who knew they were exploiting the system to gain an unfair advantage? That just doesn't make sense to me. You might as well un-ban all those fishing caps who wrecked the economy in 2005. Technically that was an SE mistake too.

[Alerith]

I admit it may make money I also admit it did far more damage then can be measured at this time. The PS3 is over a year off and with so many MMOs out and the fanboys of old Final Fantasy waking up it doesn't look good. The final Fantasy name has been taking hits for years and the fanboys of it are now leaving it behind. FF11 came out in a time when MMO were new and the FF name wasn't as tainted, now people know what they want to expect out of MMOs and SE is behind the times.

lol

/10char

[ManaKing]

Did I mention we are getting boy mithra and girl galka in v2 as playable races? That alone will be a sight to see lol

Only if you played FFXI. Otherwise it's a completely unremarkable side point.

I understand what you are pointing out in the article, but we had that back in Ultima Online a decade ago. I apologize if I'm not particularly interested in a game that is trying to appeal to FFXI players but gutted one of my primary interests in the game: the jobs. Why would I want to start over playing inferior jobs? Every job i played was boring and played the same at release and when I went back several months later.

Why name it FFXIV if we are going to play jobs, but they aren't traditional FF jobs? Seems like a pretty juvenile attempt at marketing, that failed.

[Reyn]

I apologize if I'm not particularly interested in a game that is trying to appeal to FFXI players but gutted one of my primary interests in the game: the jobs. Why would I want to start over playing inferior jobs? Every job i played was boring and played the same at release and when I went back several months later.

Why name it FFXIV if we are going to play jobs, but they aren't traditional FF jobs? Seems like a pretty juvenile attempt at marketing, that failed.

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/topics/images/c5/ce/2205_0.jpg

Traditional Final Fantasy jobs are being introduced next patch. They also completely revamped the current classes in their most recent patch to give them more focused roles, so you may find playing them more interesting now. I know that I was particularly pleased with what they did to Thaumaturge.

[Michae]

Yep in order thats brd, blm, war, whm, drg, mnk, pld

So excited to have brd incoming ^^

[Kimble]

Why is a Bard shooting a bow...

[Michae]

Cause its not just a stand there and sing version of brd. And its linked to the archer class. It will be more like brd/rng which will be fun and interesting in and of itself

[Originalkord]

Why is a Bard shooting a bow...

Because they nerfed Ranger

[Kimble]

Seems odd since I don't remember bard in any game having ranged type weapons. They were always sword and dagger kinda job.

Seems like they really reached to add Bard to the game, lol.

[Michae]

Alot of ppl think its a wierd combo but alot of ppl say its standard in other games. Ive never seen it but I dont get out of my little circle of favorite titles much

[Kimble]

Ranger in other games, is usually like a hunter or beastmaster.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I feel trapped in the matrix, and when i wake i'm starving and the only thing they got to eat in this joint is the sloppy wannabe cream of wheat they gave neo- magian bs grind gruel w/o story, thought, or content; hello, time sink, can you hear me??? It's not even a fun time sync, look at the stupid level increase quests for adventuring fellow post 70 or any magian trial, brb need kill 300 birds in thunder weather. fun, yay.

[Sparthos]

First time i've seen the c-word on SE forums.

w

[Doombringer]

right? this thread went from zero to psycho in 1.5 posts.

[Ravenmore]

lol

/10char

Care to expain what you think is funny. The fact that a product can make a profit and still be considered a failure or that a game could make a profit but still cost the company protentional profits from other products.

[Doombringer]

no dude i get it. if somebody looks at me funny on the street, i stab them....

edit: i'm not saying either side is right.. in fact.. i'm saying both sides are wrong.. it's just funny how quickly and harshly it went wrong..

[Doombringer]

Oh, that's right, your a prick.

see how i'm being verbally assaulted here and NOT freaking the fuck out?


that's all....

[Concerned4FFxi]

being called a prick and being told to shut the fuck up, without being provoked orginally are two entirely different things. If your going to compare, don't speak nonsense.

Since being called a prick is meh, theres no need to ellevate the confrontation, had I out of the blue dropped in on you and the first thing i said to your were, Shut the fuck up, then yes, I would expect it to get nasty.

[Meyi]

You know what I dislike about people, sometimes we get it in our heads that we all have a God given right to say what the heck we want, about whoever we want, whenever we want. Tis would include myself, as well.

Yeah, this especially applies to you. Take your own advice and keep your thoughts to yourself. Thanks.

Also, try to put multiple posts together into one post. No reason to have 3~4 posts all be from the same person. There's an edit button that you can click to add things with. :)

[Doombringer]

Again, i'll post how and where I please, if you don't like it go read and post somewhere else


but you see, this cuts both ways. you're all upset with me for commenting on your little back and forth with aldersyde.

am i not allowed to talk to sparthos if it's about you? this is a public forum. compose yourself as such, or be made a spectacle of.

people will point and laugh.....

edit: went back and looked for alder and sparthos' names.

[Concerned4FFxi]

ok, ill have to agree with you there. I dont like being ganged up on, especially since I was orginally minding my own bussiness till that mythra harassed me, and you guys started in on me. I understand I went over board with my rebuke of her, I was mad that I was just posting and someone would out of left field get so nasty with me (the mythra), and it all spiraled out of my control at that pont.

I apologize to everyone who had to read this stupid string of posts, so i'll delete them.

[Doombringer]

also just ftr, the 1.5 included the end of alders post to.. it read like "yada yada i disagree.. NOW FUCK YOU!" and i was like.. lolwtf?! kinda came outta left field.

sorry if you think i'm singling you out. they were rude to you, i understand that. but YOU'RE the one trying to scold me for effectively going. "O.o damn...." not alder..

[Concerned4FFxi]

Yea, she said that to me, so yes, it did come out of left field and I got equally hostile, perhaps even more hostile.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Ranger in other games, is usually like a hunter or beastmaster.Because the term ranger has nothing to do with ranged attacks.

[Aldersyde]

Harass you? Talk shit? Self-absorbed? Sounds to me that you think your opinion is much more valid than mine. You've run your mouth more often and much longer than I have about the state of the game. I get it. You like the old school. You like alliance fights with the random operant style skinner box conditioning. I like content where I can get rewarded for effort I actually put in. That's all I meant.

I'm glad old content is dead. I'm glad sky content is dead. I'm glad dynamis got changed from the old snore fest it was to the form it is now where I can put effort into building a relic solo or duo (or help people I can be assed to care about) instead of using an alliance of dupes who don't know better to do the same. I like I can log on and get things done with close friends, and only close friends.

When I stalk every one of your posts, you can call me a bully. Right now though, you just come off as a lunatic.

Edit: I really didn't expect my post to create such a furor, but it's honestly how I feel. I realize that people like the old style content but at the same time I want devs to know that there are people out there that don't want ffxi going back to what it was like in 2004-2009. And some people do appreciate magian content. Our money is as valuable as anyone's. If SE actually added some downloadable content to a ff console game like bioware did with dragon age, I would leave all you masochists in peace. I played ffxi because it was ff, not because it was a mmorpg. Be assured, I won't make the same mistake with ff14.

[Kimble]

Because the term ranger has nothing to do with ranged attacks.

What point are you attempting to make?

[Zaknafein]

What point are you attempting to make?

Chances are it doesn't make sense anyway.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Harass you? Talk shit? Self-absorbed? Sounds to me that you think your opinion is much more valid than mine. You've run your mouth more often and much longer than I have about the state of the game. I get it. You like the old school. You like alliance fights with the random operant style skinner box conditioning. I like content where I can get rewarded for effort I actually put in. That's all I meant.

I'm glad old content is dead. I'm glad sky content is dead. I'm glad dynamis got changed from the old snore fest it was to the form it is now where I can put effort into building a relic solo or duo (or help people I can be assed to care about) instead of using an alliance of dupes who don't know better to do the same. I like I can log on and get things done with close friends, and only close friends.

When I stalk every one of your posts, you can call me a bully. Right now though, you just come off as a lunatic.

Edit: I really didn't expect my post to create such a furor, but it's honestly how I feel. I realize that people like the old style content but at the same time I want devs to know that there are people out there that don't want ffxi going back to what it was like in 2004-2009. And some people do appreciate magian content. Our money is as valuable as anyone's. If SE actually added some downloadable content to a ff console game like bioware did with dragon age, I would leave all you masochists in peace. I played ffxi because it was ff, not because it was a mmorpg. Be assured, I won't make the same mistake with ff14.

At no time did I ever say any of this bullshit that you are making up. And of course, why wouldnt you say all this crap, after all, you came right into the thread cursing me for who the heck knows why. You are a crackpot and then some. Leave me alone with your screwball logic, make believe assumptions, and ignorant ass attitude, please. This thread doesnt need to be derailed anymore, and as I've previously stated, I will not stand for you or anyone else speaking to me in such a vulgar tone. You wanna call me names, fine. You wanna curse people out for no good reason, you have serious issues go and get the help you need.

[Runespider]

I'm gonna laugh so hard at "I'm quitting FFXI for FFXIV" players when Tanaka gets put back in charge of FFXIV in a couple of years.

As for money made from FFXI being pumped into FFXIV, I think the point was that SE online has it's own budget/staff allocations and the majority of it is being wasted on FFXIV atm, damaging their other online titles in the process.

[Nordya]

I'm gonna laugh so hard at "I'm quitting FFXI for FFXIV" players when Tanaka gets put back in charge of FFXIV in a couple of years.

As for money made from FFXI being pumped into FFXIV, I think the point was that SE online has it's own budget/staff allocations and the majority of it is being wasted on FFXIV atm, damaging their other online titles in the process.

You think it will last a couple of years? You overestimate their chances.

[Olor]

I dunno, XIV seems to be turning into something good... things are really looking up.



If you like having only 15 TOTAL skills (for mages this includes spells so only like 5 spells) at level cap, then sure, XIV is looking up.

However, I think it sucks... so I would disagree XIV is looking up. The concept art for 2.0 looked nice, but concept art doesn't make a game.

As for me, I'm quitting XI, for at least a short time, to try other games - so I can see if my theory that half the jobs in an MMO don't have to be underpowered and broken is correct.

Reasons:

-Refusal to fix BST: ridiculously expensive jugs, jug-pets that are broken on release (hallo apkullu), refusing to either make charm relevant again or slash the call beast timer, refusing to rework skills that serve no purpose anymore (TAME), failing to address how unbuffed pets cut the total DPS of player+pet in on-level and especially hard encounters, failure to add more options for gear that buffs pets, refusing to make BST USABLE AND USEFUL in voidwatch, leaving BST crap tier for the entire lifespan of the game, etc etc

Failing to reinvest subscription money into the GAME I PLAY: XI should not have a skeleton crew on development. Period. If they are spending more money on XIV, which brings in nothing/next to nothing than on XI, that's wrong, period. My subscription isn't a charity donation to a company that made bad decisions - it is a FEE FOR SERVICE, service which I don't feel I am receiving. Everquest 2 has a smaller paying playerbase than XI and still receives full on expansions including BRAND NEW ZONES (not reskins or battlefields)

[Unleashhell]

So you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to know that the player base is shrinking, and frustrations with the dev team are rising.

Just curious, whats a rocket surgeon?

Anyway, the player base isn't going anywhere. For every 10 people that quit 8 people come back. So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal. THE GAME IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON. It will be here tomorrow, the next day, the day after, week after, month after, year after.

[Aldersyde]

At no time did I ever say any of this bullshit that you are making up. And of course, why wouldnt you say all this crap, after all, you came right into the thread cursing me for who the heck knows why. You are a crackpot and then some. Leave me alone with your screwball logic, make believe assumptions, and ignorant ass attitude, please. This thread doesnt need to be derailed anymore, and as I've previously stated, I will not stand for you or anyone else speaking to me in such a vulgar tone. You wanna call me names, fine. You wanna curse people out for no good reason, you have serious issues go and get the help you need.

You've been complaining for weeks and weeks about the game. And you do so with rose-colored nostalgia glasses. I'm not the only one that finds you annoying. Maybe I shouldn't have dropped an f-bomb on you but you can't really get more vulgar than calling someone a c@%*. You also did call me a bully. Just because you edited your posts and others doesn't mean you didn't say it. You don't have a lot of moral high ground to stand on there.

[Benihana]

Just curious, whats a rocket surgeon?

Anyway, the player base isn't going anywhere. For every 10 people that quit 8 people come back. So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal. THE GAME IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON. It will be here tomorrow, the next day, the day after, week after, month after, year after.

HELLO!

I'm lovin the tears tho tbh. The bandwagon war and mnks are hilarious tbh

[Astral_fox]

id quit because SE constantly nerfing certain jobs, overly buffing others. not bringing cool new stuff to the game. no interesting storylines like they had been known for before. the general laziness of SEs staff when it comes to development. no truly defining fight or moment or boss or enemy or anything since cop. it just really feels like SE doesnt care about the players, now the new nerf for war and the empys ive put time in are getting gimped too? giving us power and taking it away is such a terrible thing to do. why not give more power and make useful stuff? they cant do that, there are other games out there that will do this for their players.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

What point are you attempting to make?If you have no concept of what a ranger is, then why were you trying to describe it inthe first place?

[Originalkord]

Just curious, whats a rocket surgeon?

You seem to meet the criteria...


Anyway, the player base isn't going anywhere. For every 10 people that quit 8 people come back. So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal. THE GAME IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON. It will be here tomorrow, the next day, the day after, week after, month after, year after.

You do realize that this thread is not a thread about the game shutting down don't you, professor? If you take the time and read my ENTIRE original post, and the 13 pages that follow, you should get an understanding of the thread's purpose.

Oh, I also want to point out if 10 people leave, and only 8 come back, you're still losing people, and the thread keeps it's relevance. Lurn2math.

[Unleashhell]

You seem to meet the criteria...



You do realize that this thread is not a thread about the game shutting down don't you, professor? If you take the time and read my ENTIRE original post, and the 13 pages that follow, you should get an understanding of the thread's purpose.

Oh, I also want to point out if 10 people leave, and only 8 come back, you're still losing people, and the thread keeps it's relevance. Lurn2math.

Criteria eh? I still do not see an answer the question professor.

Also the following line to your example that you took out of my post, I never said the player base wasn't loosing people. Lurn2read the next line of that paragraph and you will see what I said. I said "So even if the numbers dwindle down over time its no big deal."


How about just quit and save everyone the trouble of your crying bitching and complaining so the rest of the player base can actually get on these forums and stop seeing all the "I'm quitting and here's why" threads. For the small amount of people that actually use this forum compared to the total number of subscribers I'm sure its a minimal percentage. Your not going to make SE change anything with constant bashing of the dev team. Blame whoever you guys want to blame so you all can sleep better at night. It still will not change the fact that SE is in control of the game. They will move the game in THEIR direction not yours. You pay to play their game. It is not our game. They own the rights to the game, the servers we play on, and ALL the content on those servers. you basically rent a virtual world when you pay every month.

When this forum was first introduced there were TONS of people that posted lots of ideas. Some of those ideas were actually put into play. Others were straight up stupid. Instead of all these "I'm quitting" threads and "The dev team doesn't know what they are doing" threads, how about making a "Whats good about FFXI" thread and get people to actually give positive feedback, instead of all this bashing of the dev team. You guys make all these posts about let the replies be constructive, but sit there and bash the dev team? Bashing is constructive? How?

There is more then one way to inform the dev team about disagreeing with decisions they make. Bashing isn't the answer. Instead of just rage posting on here you guys should learn to sit back and take a couple days and make a logical post with good statements on how to improve the game. But no everyone wants to just say the devs don't listen to us. Well guess what, its up to the forum team to feed over the information they seem fit to send over. Try making a non-rage post with good solid facts and positive ideas with non bashing of the dev team and maybe you will have a better chance of getting feedback.

[FrankReynolds]

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I'm not sure if it was the OP's intention, but a thread demonstrating to SE the reasons behind people leaving the game could be beneficial if they actually read it. They don't currently ask why people leave, or even notice for all I know. I think most people don't cancel. They just stop paying, so a thread like this albeit a little grim, and completely unasked for does actually provide some useful info.

[Originalkord]

I'm not sure if it was the OP's intention, but a thread demonstrating to SE the reasons behind people leaving the game could be beneficial if they actually read it. They don't currently ask why people leave, or even notice for all I know. I think most people don't cancel. They just stop paying, so a thread like this albeit a little grim, and completely unasked for does actually provide some useful info.

That was exactly the intention, Frank.


blah blah blah diarreah of the mouth.

I like how Unleash says this isn't our game...Yea the hell right. We may not make the game, but we keep it alive by PLAYING it. They made it FOR US TO PLAY, so in turn we WOULD play and THEY would make...MONEEEYY!!! Once the costs for SE start to outweigh the revenue, then you tell me who's game it is.

How much of a fool are you to think a business should not take in to consideration the opinions of thier customers. I hope you work for someone for a living because you will never be able to survive running your own business. "I know I messed a lot of shit up and you're unhappy, Mr. Customer, but I demand you tell me what you like about my service." You'd get punched in the mouth. Unhappy customers don't normally solicit an opinion that paints a rosey picture.

Furthermore, people DO make some very constructive posts here, but it seems you just perceive this as "bashing the development team." Wrong. (SIDEBAR: I also think it was hilarious that we can 'bash the devs' but you can blatantly bash the disgruntled player base lulz). The amount of threads that say "ZOMG TANAKA AND THE DEV TEAM SUX WTF" are minimal at best. I see a ton of "I don't like that you did *this* and here is why." That's the ENTIRE point of the thread. People have been asking for change for a very long time. When these boards were first introduced, player feedback was valued and acted upon. Doesn't seem that way anymore--something has changed (I wonder what THAT could be...). Now change is not happening, now people are leaving.

So therefore, if they intend on quitting, think of this as an exit interview. Believe it or not, its a common business practice to ASK your customers, or for employers to ask quitting employees, why they are leaving. If the feedback is good, or indfferent like, "Oh I don't have time to play anymore," so be it. But if they're leaving as a result of being unhappy due to poor decisions, then they're going to have to hear that too.

[SNK]

At no time did I ever say any of this bullshit that you are making up. And of course, why wouldnt you say all this crap, after all, you came right into the thread cursing me for who the heck knows why. You are a crackpot and then some. Leave me alone with your screwball logic, make believe assumptions, and ignorant ass attitude, please. This thread doesnt need to be derailed anymore, and as I've previously stated, I will not stand for you or anyone else speaking to me in such a vulgar tone. You wanna call me names, fine. You wanna curse people out for no good reason, you have serious issues go and get the help you need.

My only issue with you is your confusion about how to gear up your NIN. :|

[Runespider]

My only issue with you is your confusion about how to gear up your NIN. :|

You worry about how other people gear up their chars? Who gives a crap, gear your own to the MAX and mind your business? As long as they don't tell you you're gear choices are wrong and them wearing a pink fluffy party hat has no impact on you wtf does it actually have to do with you. Stop trying to live in the past, almost everyone else moved past that way of thinking.

Go to BG and enjoy the confused player thread, should keep you there all day if that's so important to you.

[Unleashhell]

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I'm an little emo kid

Well fyi, I don't see as much wrong with the game as you do. Instead of being an little emo childish prick that has to go out and attack people cause they don't agree with you is very childish. Grow up dude, sitting behind a computer acting tough posting on boards just shows everyone one these boards how immature you are. At least the boards will have less crybabies on it when you leave.

Here you go I found this link just for you.

http://www.kleenex.com/DesignYourBox.aspx

[Originalkord]

Well fyi, I don't see as much wrong with the game as you do. Instead of being an little emo childish prick that has to go out and attack people cause they don't agree with you is very childish. Grow up dude, sitting behind a computer acting tough posting on boards just shows everyone one these boards how immature you are. At least the boards will have less crybabies on it when you leave.

Here you go I found this link just for you.

http://www.kleenex.com/DesignYourBox.aspx

If you're going to edit your posts, fix your typos...and while you're at it, just what the hell does that sentence in bold mean?

And I wasn't aware I was acting tough. Also wasn't aware I was emo OR a kid. Plus if I am immature what does that make you, hm? If that was me being tough then you must be one weak individual.

Here you go, I found this link for you.

http://www.always.com/products/category/Maxis?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Always+Priority_1011&utm_term=maxi%20pads&utm_content=suvhvPvOB|pcrid|9878937905|b|maxi%20pads

[Kitkat]

They should have just shut the forums down when they went on holiday...look at all the crap they have to come back to /facepalm

[Unleashhell]

If you're going to edit your posts, fix your typos...and while you're at it, just what the hell does that sentence in bold mean?

And I wasn't aware I was acting tough. Also wasn't aware I was emo OR a kid. Plus if I am immature what does that make you, hm? If that was me being tough then you must be one weak individual.

Here you go, I found this link for you.

You cant figure that out can you. Maybe you should check out this link then.

http://www.hookedonphonics.com/

I find it funny that you create a thread like this and you send me a link to maxi pad when your obviously the one on the rag.

[Originalkord]

You cant figure that out can you. Maybe you should check out this link then.

http://www.hookedonphonics.com/

I find it funny that you create a thread like this and you send me a link to maxi pad when your obviously the one on the rag.

All of your credibility is gone. Thank you and good day, sir.

[Unleashhell]

All of your credibility is gone. Thank you and good day, sir.

Always funny when someone has nothing to come back with they say that.

But you know what, I'll comment on your OP.

New Content - Are some of the player base annoyed at the current content, yes they are. Should the dev team be putting more resources into FFXI, yes they should be. But I can also understand why SE has a limited team for FFXI, they have a newer multi million dollar project that completely fell apart from the start. People need to understand this game is 10 years old. Not only that but it took (I'll take a guess) 2+ years to develop the game from the start. That is alot of time and work that was put into this game.

Along with that, they have console titles plus another 1 or 2 MMO in the works. There are only so many resources you can put into a 10+ year old project. Nobody seams to realize how much technology changed in that time. They need to move onto better things.

Voidwatch - I'm loving VW atm. Granted there are tons of synthesis materials and getting the same thing over and over can get very annoying as people have posted about. I'm not sure if I'm just lucky but I have not have that many repeat drops and we usually spam an NM over and over. Lots of synthesis materials which after you NPC / AH them its a few 100K gil which is find by me. At least that is something rather then absolutely nothing. Plus you can just pop these NMs over and over, so eventually you will get what you are after. Nothing wrong with some work / reward.

Job Nerfs - Well this can be very frustrating to players. And I can understand why they would be upset. Its hard playing a job you love and go from one playing it one way to having to change your play style getting so annoyed you feel you much play a new job because the one you love has been either phased out or your new weapon that you worked hard to get becomes gimped in damage after using the damn thing for a year. Players should also keep in mind that there will be updates to other events down the road and new gear will come and most likely help replace that lost damage. Such as when they update Salvage.

Since I made a semi wall of text (which you didn't want) that I'm sure your not going to read through at this point, these seem to be the main issues people have on these boards and seem to be why people are quitting. Only time will tell how the game progresses, and tbh I hate to see people leave no matter who it is even if its you Originalkord. The game is nothing without its players.

[Originalkord]

I'm fine with a wall of text when its relevant to the topic instead of being used to derail a thread. What I didn't want was a wall of text on my own first post. I made my own contribution on how I felt and moved on. I only stepped in with some additional comments when people decided the best way to contribute was attempt a personal attack at me (ie - like you did) for some reason.

Nice redemption.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I agree the game is old and we cant expect too much for the future, but look at what they are doing when they do stuff. UI revamp, HQ font, this is all great but I just wish they made changes to the current game which are better and cost next to nothing to do, such as reducing the overall 99 super weapon requirements, admitting that 500+ of those was insane, making 99 empyreans worth something other than afterglow, the list goes on. Some decisions made were poor, they know vw has a bad drop system, I dont mind not getting the rare/ex, i just want something more than logs. They know people dont use WOE, they know the game got overwhelmed when abyssea destroyed all old xp camps, etc, etc, These are decisions that need to be corrected, and not programing upgrades so to speak. Let's start there first.

Everyone deserves a new add on with new areas and endgame to explore, especially to use the sgtuff we worked to 99 to get to use, I believe this will be realised post 2013, as a final add-on, but in the mean time they are making poor choices, in my opinion, by not correcting some major flaws and instead going onto the next revamp.

If I were in charge of 11, I'd work on correcting the unbalance abyssea brought to the rest of the game and revamp VW and WOE content before I continued to revamp old content, so players looking for endgame have something to do that IS endgame. Right now the only thing close to endgame content out is endgame is VW, and to me it doent really feel like endgame because it's just walk up and instance pop nm, so yea. 11 needs endgame, yesterday, not 2013.

My fear is they will release The Last Stand too early, just to get it out there like they did with 14 and the 99 cap (they didnt even release it with the new merits, they are releasing stuff as it's developed which has it's good and bad points) and it's noit going to be good enough in it's beta rushed form and more people will be unsatisfied and it will take a year if ever they do revamp that.

I believe they have decided that WOE and VW are fine, they dont need anymore attention, and they need to hit their earmark dates for the next revamp, instead of realising from all the feedback and the lack of people in WOE, that their revamp there didn't work and that they need to push their timeline back and revist WOE, and make changes to VW (proposed point system for hmp, and other lesser items like mirrors, not the rare/ex gear).

[Unleashhell]

I'm fine with a wall of text when its relevant to the topic instead of being used to derail a thread. What I didn't want was a wall of text on my own first post. I made my own contribution on how I felt and moved on. I only stepped in with some additional comments when people decided the best way to contribute was attempt a personal attack at me (ie - like you did) for some reason.

Nice redemption.

Well I apologize for whats its worth.

[SNK]

You worry about how other people gear up their chars? Who gives a crap, gear your own to the MAX and mind your business? As long as they don't tell you you're gear choices are wrong and them wearing a pink fluffy party hat has no impact on you wtf does it actually have to do with you. Stop trying to live in the past, almost everyone else moved past that way of thinking.

Wow did I ever hit a nerve. If you're gonna to be a miss happy pants I might as well indulge this amazing rage of a post. Mind you it didn't take much digging but it was in reply to this post Concerned made.


Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/showthread.php?p=194186#post194186)
About two months ago, I leveled ninja and when I went to get the weapon skill quest from the NPC i was given the first of many af1 quests for that job and NPC. Now for ninja, absolutely none of the af1 is needed in today's 90+ so I'm pretty miffed about having to do them all just to flag the weapon skill quest, just to process weakness in Abyssea (and also for my own satisfaction of knowing I have all quested weapon skills). Yea the body af1 is ok, but theres much better options available to me (like the af3+2 body for starters). Now this is not like the af1 thf boots or anything remotely close.

Now I certainly wasn't the only one who caught the bolded part but NIN AF3 Body is 100% in no way better then the original AF Body for NIN in a tp/haste build peroid.

I commented on this very calmly thus with this..


Originally Posted by SNK http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/showthread.php?p=196006#post196006) A little offtopic here but I'm going to seriously have to disagree with some of this. 1st off the original AF1 body is still the best TP body piece for NIN hands down. A full 5% reduced on both of your weapons is something the AF3 Body isn't going to give you. The AF3 Body is a pretty solid WS piece but using it for a TP piece it painfully silly.

To which I was givin a reply like this....


All af1 body does is let you hit a little faster, but with af3+2 4/5 and ocelot's, you notice the extra hits from the set bonus and the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit. Add to the fact that af3+2 body augments migawari, which is far more important than a slight increase in your attack speed, and you can see how while af1+1 body is nice, its not my personal choice.

So yeah, you tp in your af1+1 and when you get hit with an AOE Damage+DOT attack from that HNM your tanking and your non-augmented migawari doesn't save you and you die, I'll have enough life left from migawari/af3+2 body augment to recast utsusemi and survive the DOT/or the stray hit after the AOE and before I can recast utsusemi, long enough for the Whm to cure me to full. Because remember, that -5% on your delay is more important than augmenting migawari, better damage per hit, +5 critical hit rate, and the peice going towards the set bonus from af3+2. That's silly, right?

Now of course someone beat me to the punch on this but I think this more then hammers down the confusion of stupid I was forced to read.


I do believe it has been tested and mathed out that tping in Ninja Chainmail is superior to the set effect from Iga +2, not that I can be bothered to try to dig up the posts about it right now. To get the full effect from AF3 +2, which is 10%, you need to wear the FULL set, meaning you aren't even capping haste AND you've lost the 5% reduction in delay from Ninja Chainmail.

If you don't make a migawari macro which includes equipping Iga Ningi +1 or +2, you're doing it wrong. Swap back to Ninja Chainmail once migawari wears.

Actually - please do tell me what kind of AOE spell/move can 1shot or nearly 1shot a nin without migawari, because I can only think of self destruct and I don't know a single hnm which does that... So I would really like to know which HNM you are talking about in the above quote. Migawari is in my opinion a great spell for moves you KNOW will otherwise 1shot you. Oh and btw, migawari without Iga Ningi +1 or +2 will still save you from being 1shot.

With Ninja Chainmail and capped haste, you reach 100tp faster than with 4/5 AF3 +2 and ocelot gloves. Which means you ws more often. Which means stuff dies faster.

And to round off: "the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit" - what exactly is that supposed to mean?? We are talking a piece of armour here, not a weapon.

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?



Go to BG and enjoy the confused player thread, should keep you there all day if that's so important to you.

If you're a player who advocates people playing their jobs retardedly then more power to you but, If you're going to sit there and act like you know what you're talking about when multiple people not only have said otherwise, posted math on it and shown proof then yeah, I'm not going to take too much at face value of a stubborn ass McGimp of a player.

I know you've probably got something for him/her but you really don't need to go into a white-knight rage fest over it. Oh and it seems you're under the delusion that everyone has "moved past" that way of thinking when you couldn't be further from the truth. It's ok if you feel otherwise but a lot of players still take this game seriously enough to gear their jobs right and are more then willing to listen to players who have a solid grasp of the game's engine then most people.

If you feel this is in the past then you're obviously not playing the same game a lot of people are.

[Runespider]

Wow did I ever hit a nerve. If you're gonna to be a miss happy pants I might as well indulge this amazing rage of a post. Mind you it didn't take much digging but it was in reply to this post Concerned made.

I just thought you were a complete idiot that you would have a dig at someone in the most inane, stupid way possible, having a dig on a forum about a players gear? That's akin to losing an argument and saying..."yea?... well you're a fatty!"

[SNK]

I just thought you were a complete idiot that you would have a dig at someone in the most inane, stupid way possible, having a dig on a forum about a players gear? That's akin to losing an argument and saying..."yea?... well you're a fatty!"

When a person tries to post an opinion and then acts like a concieted smartass then why wouldn't anyone call them on it?

Oh and for the record I wasn't commenting on the gear or lack of gear. I was commenting on the gear choices and the stupidity of choosing the wrong pieces of gear when there are better options open to you. There's a big difference between the two.

[Catsby]

This thread went from meaningful to completely asinine.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

asinine.It's hard for them to be anything else.
Now if people are quitting because the game has changed, screw them. They can GTFO. If they're quitting in an attempt to protest, it's going to go unheard.

[Kimble]

I wonder why people get so personally offended when someone says why they want to quit. Like its somehow an attack at people that choose to keep playing.

Also, I know what a ranger is and what it does. In a lot of games ranger is a "hunter" so they have ranged attacks but also control beasts like a beastmaster. Also tend to be sneaky like a thief as well.

I've never seen a game where a ranger is like a bard, at all.

[Nynja]

Just because a piece of gear is higher level than another, doesnt necessarily make it better...

Artio's axe RareExclusive
(Axe) All Races
DMG: 64 Delay: 280 CHR+3 Enmity-5
Lv. 90 WAR / BST

Charmer's Merlin RareExclusive
(Axe) All Races
DMG: 68 Delay: 288 Accuracy +5
"Fencer" +1
"Sic" and "Ready" ability delay -5
Lv. 89 BST

(inb4 lv90 axe has -enmity and chr so its better for bst who charm stuff)

[saevel]

This thread went from meaningful to completely asinine.

Just wait, we'll get a RDM melee debate sooner or later. Rule 0 of FFXI being what it is.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Confused never once replied and thus led me to believe he/she was too.... stupid to think of an answer to this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14696-WSNM-quest-giver-wont-give-WSNM-before-af1-completed-and-my-weapons-are-300-skill?p=240601#post240601

i replied dozens more times then you give me credit for and you act like i didnt. You that trolled the tread to begin with, the tread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR, it was about flagging a wsnm quest, the fact that i mentioned gear in one part of an explanation and your trolled it to death there, trolling here, and your not even did you go back and read the posts before you came here to post, yet you got nerve to call me stupid and act like i avoided you, lol. Enough with the stalking, are you gonna show up behind the aisle at walmart now when I go shopping?



AF1+1 body
+5 Dex, -5% DW

AF3+2 body
+12Str/Dex, Acc +17, Attack +17, Crit hit rate +5% (set bonus occ extra attack)

I agree, AF1+1 you will tp faster, do WS slightly faster, that is a given. What I said in my previous post is I like af3+2 better, it hits harder and with the set bonus I feel it’s better because it can tp almost as fast, but with the added bonuses that it offers I feel it wins out over af1 body. You can’t say that an extra 7Dex and 5% crit hit, 17 acc and 17 Attack doesn’t increase your damage per hit over af1Also, despite the math which was done for tp purpose, where’s the math that covers crit hit rate comparison and over all damage vs. the two sets. Af3+2 does more damage per hit, over time that slight tp bonus advantage you get from swinging a little faster on af1 isn’t the same. I’m hitting harder every swing, I’m criting more often, and if I’m tanking I have augmented Migawari, which let’s face it that is needed more than non augmented version. Again, your twisting my post when it’s clearly stated a non-augmented Migawari isn’t going to save you from dot, or anything that stripped your shadows and hits you while your recasting shadows. An augmented Migawari has a much better survival rate.


Conclusion: From what I stated about having more Crit hits, and not fighting trash mobs, where the acc is needed such as HNM in the future, outside abyssea where stats on gear matters and acc isn‘t capped, some VW NM even, I prefer Af3+2 for tp body. I agree AF1 may get you to 100tp faster if your fighting low acc mobs, or in abyssea where stats on gear doesn’t mean as much, but I like the bonus of the af3 set and the stats on the af3+2 body better. If, I’m using af1+1 body, and I miss 1-2 hits on a HNM, then it is inferior in tp gain to af3+2 body, as well as the stat difference I already discussed.

So think about, AF3+2 hits harder, and on higher eva mobs, hits and crits more often, and does more damage per hit due to critting more often, the +12str and the superior +7dex compared to its af1 counter part, what’s not to like. I think both sets have their uses, I prefer AF3+2 body, the argument for nin af1 body to me isn’t strong enough for me to carry it.

Maybe I’ll change my mind someday, the same time you acknowledge some of my points perhaps. If af1+2 body has -10% DW, then I will reconsider, as it stands now it’s not on my list because -5%DW in the body slot, for already low delay weapons, with an already high dw trait from the job, and already using suppa earring, isn’t enough for me to trade up from my af3+2 body with it‘s superior stats in that slot.

However, this was a bug thread that got turned into an AF body debate. Please note your attitude towards me here previously, and in the future try not to be so critical (pun intended, get it, af3+2, has higher crit hit rate, lol) when commenting, thank you.

Now, im not going to go back and repost all the quotes that I orginally quoted and answerted, therefor this post above might not make the best of what im trying to say to u, but thats wht i enclosed the threadlink for. Also, this post didnt have your name on it in the orgianl thread, but from what you posted here, I dont see any specific wuestions that you asked that I didnt answer.

The whole point I was making which went over your head was,
1. I already had the af3+2 body before i started leveling nin
2. I didnt want to do the af1 body quest at that time,and was being forced to do some af to flag the wsnm becuase of a glitch, that's why i posted in the bugs section
3. I didnt have a problem doing af I just had a problem being forced to do it then
4. Af3 is better outside of abyssea for the body slot on everything that is not junk mobs and for the future, because (af2+2 wasnt released yet) higher acc, more damage per hit, more crit per hit, better for the body slot. I disagreed with getting af1 to have a little bit more dw when I already had the af3, and 19 other jobs I have to gear so unless af1, as I said, was more impressive then I wasnt gonna invest my time.


Even if af1 is better outside abyssea, and I doubt it is because of not having the acc or crit hit rate for v.t. mobs or new hnm, the benefit of it wouldn't be much greater than af3, and therefore it is not on my list. You miss one swing in your af1 and you might as well be wearing my af3, get it?

ALL this is moot now cause af2+2 body seems to have the best tp gear stats, for the body slot, it boasts high acc for non-trash future hnm, and 20 attack for that hard hitting umph, plus dw. So you see, I WAS RIGHT NOT TO GET THE AF1, because af2+2 is the new hotness and I didnt waste anytime in getting something that's not, so ha. If af1+2 turns out to be vastly superior to af2+2, then yes, i'll go get it. But the difference between tping in af1 and af3 didnt seem impressive enough to warrant getting it.

now pleasae, leave me be in peace and let it go.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Just wait, we'll get a RDM melee debate sooner or later. Rule 0 of FFXI being what it is.

What else is there left to do in FFXI other than comparing spreadsheets?

[Sparthos]

What else is there left to do in FFXI other than comparing spreadsheets?

Logwatch ep. 3

[SNK]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14696-WSNM-quest-giver-wont-give-WSNM-before-af1-completed-and-my-weapons-are-300-skill?p=240601#post240601

i replied dozens more times then you give me credit for and you act like i didnt. You that trolled the tread to begin with, the tread HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GEAR, it was about flagging a wsnm quest, the fact that i mentioned gear in one part of an explanation and your trolled it to death there, trolling here, and your not even did you go back and read the posts before you came here to post, yet you got nerve to call me stupid and act like i avoided you, lol. Enough with the stalking, are you gonna show up behind the aisle at walmart now when I go shopping?



Now, im not going to go back and repost all the quotes that I orginally quoted and answerted, therefor this post above might not make the best of what im trying to say to u, but thats wht i enclosed the threadlink for. Also, this post didnt have your name on it in the orgianl thread, but from what you posted here, I dont see any specific wuestions that you asked that I didnt answer.

The whole point I was making which went over your head was,
1. I already had the af3+2 body before i started leveling nin
2. I didnt want to do the af1 body quest at that time,and was being forced to do some af to flag the wsnm becuase of a glitch, that's why i posted in the bugs section
3. I didnt have a problem doing af I just had a problem being forced to do it then
4. Af3 is better outside of abyssea for the body slot on everything that is not junk mobs and for the future, because (af2+2 wasnt released yet) higher acc, more damage per hit, more crit per hit, better for the body slot. I disagreed with getting af1 to have a little bit more dw when I already had the af3, and 19 other jobs I have to gear so unless af1, as I said, was more impressive then I wasnt gonna invest my time.


Even if af1 is better outside abyssea, and I doubt it is because of not having the acc or crit hit rate for v.t. mobs or new hnm, the benefit of it wouldn't be much greater than af3, and therefore it is not on my list. You miss one swing in your af1 and you might as well be wearing my af3, get it?

ALL this is moot now cause af2+2 body seems to have the best tp gear stats, for the body slot, it boasts high acc for non-trash future hnm, and 20 attack for that hard hitting umph, plus dw. So you see, I WAS RIGHT NOT TO GET THE AF1, because af2+2 is the new hotness and I didnt waste anytime in getting something that's not, so ha. If af1+2 turns out to be vastly superior to af2+2, then yes, i'll go get it. But the difference between tping in af1 and af3 didnt seem impressive enough to warrant getting it.

now pleasae, leave me be in peace and let it go.

You are really ignorant about your job. There's so much wrong and misguided information in your post about NIN it's not even funny.

[Krosis]

As nice as it is hearing everyone complain, there is only one thing I can think to say...duh?

A lot of us are unhappy with the Dev Team's choices. ALL of us know friends that have quit because of the Dev Team's choices.

So? What's the use in complaining at this point? Its 100% obvious that nothing is being done (at least not in the right direction). SE has seen an enormous amount of unrest and frustrations voiced on its forums, yet things are getting worse for the majority of the player base.

Yet we keep complaining. And SE watches us as we vent, and keeps throwing shit at us knowing that we have somewhere to vent the next time we feel the need.

So what do we do? Well...nothing. It's highly unlikely that enough people will be on board with simultaneously canceling our subscriptions to show our displeasure with their decisions. As effective as it would be, I'm not even willing to. And any other such massive, timed, cooperative measure is hopeless considering how horrible and disgraceful our behavior is towards each other as it is.

The only thing we can do is wait, wait until enough players have quit that SE either is forced to fix their behavior to save their game (LOL I mean profits), or SE decides to close the servers. Inspiring right? Almost reminds me of our current political state.

Anyway, in the mean time, while we're awaiting to see how desperate SE needs to get with respects to its profits to fix our game, I'd be very interested in actually having a SUCCESSFUL method of communicating with the Dev Team. One in which the communication isn't shrouded in bullshit. I don't want to write and/or read a billion posts and hope that the team reads them and/or that they care. This one sided form of 'communication' makes it extremely easy for us to be ignored.

Now, to be the devil's advocate, but also because other possibilities have crossed my mind...
One of the reasons for my interest in having a better communication system, is that I legitimately wish to hear what SE has to say. I know they spew the word 'balance' to justify their changes to the game, but I want to hear more than just that one word repeated to infinity. I don't see War - Ukko's fury and Sam + Shoha as a balancing act. But anyway, there is a very high possibility that we're miscommunicating with SE and a simple thing such as an interactive communication system could fix our problems.

Also, I'd be very interested in hearing what people think that are not displeased with the game. I want to know why exactly their satisfied, because (I did not read every post in this thread, but from the ones that I did read) the posts I read in this thread from people not wanting to quit have been mediocre and uninteresting.

Anyway...my 2 cents at a point when I'm really frustrated and angry @ SE.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Just wait, we'll get a RDM melee debate sooner or later. Rule 0 of FFXI being what it is.I see your rdm and raise you a melee smn.

[Alerith]

I've never seen a game where a ranger is like a bard, at all.

Ragnarok Online Bards say Hi.

[cidbahamut]

I'm contemplating a departure from FFXI.

Why? Because I picked up Skyrim this holiday and remembered how utterly entertaining games could be.

I've also been reading up on Guild Wars 2 and it looks like it will be much more flexible and engaging than FFXI. It also helps that the marketing literature does a fantastic job of bringing across the development team's enthusiasm for the game and the new directions they want to take the MMO genre. If that game lives up to even a fraction of my expectations it will have absolutely no trouble prying me away from FFXI.

The grass is greener elsewhere.

[Xellith]

What else is there left to do in FFXI other than comparing spreadsheets?

Stand around in town checking random people.

[Urteil]

It seems that SE actually believes they are good at balancing things.


I've never seen a company talk so much about it, and throw the word around and fail so hard.

Just because the world "balance" is thrown around doesn't mean balance is a achieved, this feels like a crack-head asserting that he's clean.

No matter how many times he says it, it simply is not true.

[saevel]

I see your rdm and raise you a melee smn.

Touche.

Honestly though I've been having a blast lately low manning dynamis for relic +2 items and -1 pieces. And seeing how Tav absolutely refused to drop my RDM -1 body, this might take me awhile. I've already gotten PLD / BLU / SAM / DRK / WAR -1 bodies and legs, but not RDM, one of the better ones. My plans are to fully upgrade RDM and BLU to +2 and eventually do SAM / DRK / PLD / WAR, but those are way way low priority.

[Sama]

Imo, the word 'BALANCE' indicates that SE fail to see what to do next.

Now and then every little conversation SE say something about balance and never gives the exact plot. And when something happen, it usually turns out disappointing.

This is the reason why no one plays FFXIV. It's not about the game. I think ffxiv is beautiful. BUT everyone knows Tanaka/SE is going to put you through the sh8tie system again therefore no one bothers.

[FrankReynolds]

This is the reason why no one plays FFXIV. It's not about the game. I think ffxiv is beautiful. BUT everyone knows Tanaka/SE is going to put you through the sh8tie system again therefore no one bothers.

That about sums up my reasons for not playing FFXIV.

[Xellith]

That about sums up my reasons for not playing FFXIV.

Mine also. SE will eventually give FFXIV the FFXI treatment. I dont see the point investing time and money in something that is destined to be ruined by policy and incompetence.

[autobot]

Not only have i intended on quitting but i am doing so. There just isn't anything new for a low man group to do. I could join an endgame LS but i really don't want to go back to that. Starting at the bottom, points blah blah, been there and done that.

The sad thing is they keep adding WoE areas but since you can no longer solo and get anything even that is a no go. And it just becomes a matter of time before people stop doing them and that leaves those that want to unable to do so.

I even went as far as to make an alt character to dual box with but i was able to get just about everything i needed and level to 99 in about a month. Had i not done this i probably would have quit 2 months ago.

To be honest i only stuck around for the version update. I was hoping that there was more to the update than 99 cap and merit weapon skills. They do tend to with-hold information until the actual update so i was hoping for more. With no new abilities for almost all jobs and more insanely expensive spells i felt cheated. I'm totally tired of the merit grind-fest.

IMO updates are coming way too slow. A year ago they promised more frequent updates yet this lasted a short time. The updates are horribly lacking and unless you are one of their "star" jobs you don't get attention for many updates. Just look at PUP took them forever to fix whats been broken since its release while SAM gets a new JA every update. As a main DNC i was completely disappointed. No new abilities, no fixes to the many complaints, and a new weapon skill that is slightly more powerful than evisceration outside abyssea (and it barely gets enhanced by their horrible JA ternary flourish which was the only thing dnc got last update).

I have played since the release of PS2 version, seen lots of changes good and bad, and i always looked forward to what was to come. As i sit here and think of what's to come all i can think of is more disappointment, merit grinding, ignorance of the player base and their suggestions/comments.

It's sad to see how much negativity is floating around in these forums, but it's to be expected. At least back in the good ol days when updates were ripe with new abilities, spells, content, etc the few disappointments didn't really matter as much because there was lots of good things to over-shadow those disappointments. Now, when you only get 1 ability/spell and its a dud, it hurts more.

Tried FFXIV, sucked, no go.

[Olor]

yeah, I am sure some trolls will say good riddance, but didn't refill my crysta so soon I won't even be able to browse here - I'll miss some of the witty and insightful posters like GG, Krabknuckle, Sparthos and Spank... but c'est la vie.

[Slander]

Because I've been trying to get customer support to make my security token get off my account, but they fking won't. So I'm going to go and report my credit card being "stolen" and just lose my account and MAYBE start over. I doubt I will though. That's my reason P:

[Alerith]

Imo, the word 'BALANCE' indicates that SE fail to see what to do next.

Now and then every little conversation SE say something about balance and never gives the exact plot. And when something happen, it usually turns out disappointing.

This is the reason why no one plays FFXIV. It's not about the game. I think ffxiv is beautiful. BUT everyone knows Tanaka/SE is going to put you through the sh8tie system again therefore no one bothers.

You do know Tanaka hasn't been in charge of XIV for a year now? (Thank god too. The man was strangling XIV as badly as he's strangling XI now.)

The new director, Naoki Yoshida, is SO much better on an unbelievable scale. If XIV was such a full time clean up for him, I'd want him to be XI's director to.

But for now, we have to deal with Captain Balance until he publicly humiliates himself again and he gets pushed to another game like Tertra Master II or something.

[Reyn]

You do know Tanaka hasn't been in charge of XIV for a year now? (Thank god too. The man was strangling XIV as badly as he's strangling XI now.)

The new director, Naoki Yoshida, is SO much better on an unbelievable scale. If XIV was such a full time clean up for him, I'd want him to be XI's director to.

But for now, we have to deal with Captain Balance until he publicly humiliates himself again and he gets pushed to another game like Tertra Master II or something.

To illustrate, let's take a look at issues both games are currently facing: nerfs. Regardless of how you may feel about each nerf, I'd like to just compare how each situation was handled.

As you all know, XI is currently facing the WAR / MNK critical hit nerf. Tanaka sent us a messenger with a vague explanation that essentially boiled down to, "It would be too hard to balance other jobs upward, so we're just going to do this and here are the values." Look balance up in the dictionary, learn what the word means, and understand that's why we do everything we do that you don't like.

XIV is currently facing a nerf to casters, which interrupts spell casting when you move (before, you could zip all over the place and nuke to your heart's content). Yoshida personally responded on the forum with this (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32627-Moving-will-be-made-to-interrupt-spellcasting-at-a-point-in-time...?p=506046#post506046). Look at that wall of text. Not only does he explain every point behind the change with examples, and how they intend to compensate, he further explains step by step how they intend the BLM role to be played. It's a stark contrast in communication.

As much as I would love to terrorize a Paladin in PVP with my ability to cast Burst II while running circles around him, I'm far more comfortable with them nerfing that than a nerf in XI that in no way effects any of the jobs that I play. Why? Because the fact that XIV's director takes the time to fully explain himself gives me faith that he knows what he's doing, and he has a plan for the future. Tanaka's copypasta, "It's too difficult", "Balance", explanations just don't cut it anymore, and I can no longer lend myself into a game that the developer thinks is too hard to develop.

[Sparthos]

In Tanaka's defense bringing every DD up to WAR standards would completely break this game, a game already made easy as piss with the majority of content having been designed for level 75s.

Everyone hitting 6k on mobs with a WS? Might as well give out brews with Conquest Points.

His fault is that he nerfed WAR/MNK and didn't bring something else to the table to compensate for the changes. He could explain himself but I imagine at this point Tanaka would be better off with actions rather than rambling about how Ukkos needed to be brought down a few pegs.

The 'nerf' wouldn't be taken so poorly if it came bearing gifts.

[Francisco]

I'm in Fran's LS and just quit this month. This is exactly the sentiment I've been having.

You and everyone else man... I log on sporadically to see if anything's up... and it's either usually 0 people on at all, Dan leveling his BST.

Pretty much the entire LS is playing SWTOR right now... initially people were going to play both, but the past month's events has pretty much turned everyone off of FFXI... I'll probably deactivate my accounts at the end of the month and see what the next update brings.

[Francisco]

The 'nerf' wouldn't be taken so poorly if it came bearing gifts.

I really haven't complained about the nerf to Smite/Fury... and I have one, and teamed up a lot with a WAR who had the other. I think the Blood Rage nerf was kinda dumb, but haven't complained about that either.

What makes this so horrible, is it's just another negative adjustment in a long line of recent negative adjustments and bad/lacking content...

Not sure on anyone else, but the timing couldn't have been worse for me - as my entire LS left to play SWTOR. I tried it, didn't like it, so I won't be playing it. At the same time, with my entire LS gone, I've pretty much lost incentive to play FFXI at all.

[Nynja]

In Tanaka's defense bringing every DD up to WAR standards would completely break this game, a game already made easy as piss with the majority of content having been designed for level 75s.

As I've posted on BG: you work in a company with a very small team, your boss brings two offers to you:
A-Two things are broken, its a pretty simple fix for each.
B-18 things are broken, theres a lot of work involved in fixing them.
Whichever you pick, you're getting fixed pay for...so what do you do?

You also have to realize that if they buff 18 other jobs, theyre going to have to adjust a lot of fights they just created to deal with the fact all those 5/6/7 on 10 DD jobs are now all 8/9 on 10 DD jobs.

[FrankReynolds]

As I've posted on BG: you work in a company with a very small team, your boss brings two offers to you:
A-Two things are broken, its a pretty simple fix for each.
B-18 things are broken, theres a lot of work involved in fixing them.
Whichever you pick, you're getting fixed pay for...so what do you do?

You also have to realize that if they buff 18 other jobs, theyre going to have to adjust a lot of fights they just created to deal with the fact all those 5/6/7 on 10 DD jobs are now all 8/9 on 10 DD jobs.

If this game was free, they could use the "well it's a lot of work" excuse. Currently, it's a paid service, and "we don't want to work that hard" doesn't really fly. They should have built the fights tougher the first time.

On a side note, They are adjusting the nerf back up somewhat. JP Forum (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/18579-dev1064-%E3%82%A6%E3%83%83%E3%82%B3%E3%80%81%E3%83%93%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E5%BC%B1%E4%BD%93?p=258284&viewfull=1#post258284)

[Reyn]

If this game was free, they could use the "well it's a lot of work" excuse. Currently, it's a paid service, and "we don't want to work that hard" doesn't really fly. They should have built the fights tougher the first time.

This is exactly how I feel on the matter. The amount of money we're paying hasn't changed, the level of service we're receiving shouldn't change either. Blatantly cutting corners when there are so many competing MMO's actively generating content for the same price is a really bad idea.

[Nynja]

If this game was free, they could use the "well it's a lot of work" excuse. Currently, it's a paid service, and "we don't want to work that hard" doesn't really fly. They should have built the fights tougher the first time.

We all pay SE to run the game and operate it...a little fucking ukko nerf isnt pissing me or the entire playerbase off as much as the shittastic bullshit drop rates and drop system in the event that they are revolving this current FFXI era around (voidwatch)

as someone with both a Vere and a Maschu+2 (which got it harder in the ass cuz theres no ODD to go with the overpowered WS) I'm hardly bitching about the nerfs.

[Sparthos]

As I've posted on BG: you work in a company with a very small team, your boss brings two offers to you:
A-Two things are broken, its a pretty simple fix for each.
B-18 things are broken, theres a lot of work involved in fixing them.
Whichever you pick, you're getting fixed pay for...so what do you do?

You also have to realize that if they buff 18 other jobs, theyre going to have to adjust a lot of fights they just created to deal with the fact all those 5/6/7 on 10 DD jobs are now all 8/9 on 10 DD jobs.

I've stated multiple times that SE doesn't care to do much work on this game because the team is already so small that they can barely hammer out the basics of a version update nevermind any extra perks that would accent it. They aren't going to swamp themselves when the basics are already overwhelming.

The question is how long people choose to put up with a bare-bones staff running the game again a la '09. Personally, my curiosity towards what the 99 trials for the ultimate weapons is what I await as it'll be quite telling of where this game will go in the next year. Not that I don't already suspect where the game is going but confirmation from the developers goes a long way.

[FrankReynolds]

We all pay SE to run the game and operate it...a little fucking ukko nerf isnt pissing me or the entire playerbase off as much as the shittastic bullshit drop rates and drop system in the event that they are revolving this current FFXI era around (voidwatch)

as someone with both a Vere and a Maschu+2 (which got it harder in the ass cuz theres no ODD to go with the overpowered WS) I'm hardly bitching about the nerfs.

The drop rates do suck. I'm not really sure what to say about the rest. Glad it doesn't bother you I guess.

[Anewie]

This forum is depressing and angry honestly.

I honestly think it woulda been better not to have it, they should honestly do away with it.

On the XIV forums, at least last time I checked, its a totally different environment. I remember reading several threads that were positive and friendly. On here, it's basically a bunch of catty, delusional, hypocritical, biased pressed players either throwing tantrums or calling names.. AT THE PEOPLE THEY want to listen to them. I'm not above it, but you will never again see me making threads attacking devs or people for not sharing my opinion.

Voidwatch drops rate suck. New flash, this isn't anything new to endgame. They made voidwatch system the way they did to prevent cheating, greifing or drama amongst us. They had good intentions. Some of the drops are amazing, and should be super rare. THE ONLY real issue is the same person getting the same drop over and over when they already have it and people who are 0/200 are waiting.

Simple solution is ask the devs to make it so, the same item will not load in a chest, by a player who already has the item. DING DING DING DING DING, We have a winner. Problem solved KTHXBAI. But I' not even gonna lie to myself and pretend that would solve anything. The same people spamming this forum about that issue are more than likely, just as upset, it's so rare as it is, that a person who already has it is getting it. Once and if they change how items load to players who already have it, these same whiners will be back moaning about the drop rate.

So that's why I roll my eyes when I see some people complaining about VW drops and using the "This person keeps getting this item when they already have it!, this is so unfair! make it a point system!" excuse. Because they are not campaigning to abolish others from getting an item over and over, they are campaigning for a more convenient way of obtaining those rare drops. AK they want higher drop rates or point system.

I totally support and encourage the devs to adjust it, there is no reason why a coruscanti thf, gets a second coruscanti after 5 fights. That's bs. Do I want a point system? I wouldn't mind it. I am laid back with SE policies honestly. But I've said before people are asking for too much if they expect an endgames best gear to be of the einherjar ampoules/cp/isp nature. That is not happening and will never happen for the best or near the best gears.

People need to understand, SE, I repeat, SQUARE ENIX is interested in one thing. Your money. In their mind, It is bad business practice for them to make endgame gear obtainable without grind and luck. This is for several reasons but i'll just state the obvious:

FFXIV is bombing and sucking up a lot of money. Their franchise sales are down something like 50%(?) from where they were 6-7 years ago. This company is losing a lot of profit and fast. Theyre not struggling by any means, but they are losing a lot of money and street cred. They don't have the resources to develop content that is very meaty. Like Sea,Sky,new expansions (least not atm), and give it a plush appeal.

I believe they are making endgame of the grind and luck nature because of this. I'm gonna guess they think if theres a lot of luck and grind involved, we will play longer and be more dedicated. If there was a point system, or a system that didn't involve luck+grind, some people would breeze through it if it's linear.

They also want some gear to be extremely rare. Meaning only a select group of people have it. If there's a point system it robs an item of it's exclusiveness or specialty. Even if it costs a ridiculous amount of points, and time, there is no luck involved and anyone with the time can get it. SE has hinted in the past, they underestimated the player bases dedication to time and i'm sure they are tredding lightly not to make such a mistake again. HNMs are en example, you really think they intended us to camp that stuff the way we did? No, they wanted us to "stumble upon it eventually" like a rare surprise. SE has similar views for their special toys. They want us to grind for it, with a bit of luck

It's no surprise either, its a jp run and developed game. They believe whole heartedly in exclusiveness and status in endgame. These are just my opinions on them as a company and xi. Don't get pissy with me.

[Anewie]

A point system would be a simple, convenient thing for them too. It would save them a lot of trouble figuring out drops per NM,BCNM etc. Theres a reason IMO they haven't used it very much for the really good stuff, they simply want some items to be exclusive in a "rare and unique" way.

[FrankReynolds]

Complaining about complaining is just ....... more complaining.......

[Anewie]

Complaining about complaining is just ....... more complaining.......

Correction: it's more of an unbiased observation. I specifically said I am not above it. There's not any gripe in my post about people complaining. If you see it that way, well you just misunderstand.

I do not care, one tiny little bit about someone who wants to gripe about something. I only care about things that effect me. Although, that won't stop me from commenting on it in my free time. My opinions and input aren't really anymore important than anyone elses. The difference is, I know that.

[Olor]

On the XIV forums, at least last time I checked, its a totally different environment. I remember reading several threads that were positive and friendly. On here, it's basically a bunch of catty, delusional, hypocritical, biased pressed players either throwing tantrums or calling names.. AT THE PEOPLE THEY want to listen to them. I'm not above it, but you will never again see me making threads attacking devs or people for not sharing my opinion.

The thing about the XIV forums is they treat any negative feedback (at all) as a direct attack on the devs. (both mods and other players)

Here people are actually way less hateful towards one another (in terms of attacking people for their viewpoints) and I don't think I've ever gotten a ban - but I got bans in the XIV forum because I didn't like changes to magic users.

I don't go to forums to see a mystical happy land where people take turns praising the game I play. I go to them to express my views on the direction of the game and to discuss game mechanics in a hard nosed way with other players (as well as help people, I like answering questions)

I don't like it when people accuse the people posting in these forums of bad behavior because they are trying to communicate serious problems to the development team.

I will give XIV some kudos if only for the way that Yoshi communicates with the XIV playerbase - part of the reason people have gotten so hostile here is because they don't really get the same kind of interaction.

I work in public relations. I know what a tough thing it is when you have to just relay what you are told to say, even when you fully disagree with it. I've been at the front lines of defending policies and decisions I don't believe in so I have a lot of respect for the moderators who sift through these threads.

But those of us trying to point out things that should be fixed with this game are not doing so out of malice or disrespect. We actually like the game and want to keep playing it - for myself, however, it became a point of pride to withhold my subscription, because I know for what we are paying, we deserve more than naked time sinks and excuses about the difficulty of improving the game.

That's not negativity - that's realism. If SE wants to make clink-clink they need to adjust to the times and provide what their subscribers are looking for.

[Catsby]

The truth

Yup. Now if only they used the feedback.

[Ravenmore]

In Tanaka's defense bringing every DD up to WAR standards would completely break this game, a game already made easy as piss with the majority of content having been designed for level 75s.

Everyone hitting 6k on mobs with a WS? Might as well give out brews with Conquest Points.

His fault is that he nerfed WAR/MNK and didn't bring something else to the table to compensate for the changes. He could explain himself but I imagine at this point Tanaka would be better off with actions rather than rambling about how Ukkos needed to be brought down a few pegs.

The 'nerf' wouldn't be taken so poorly if it came bearing gifts.

If it wasn't for proc in VW it would just be throw more sams at it. It a simple fact Sam has been the hardest job to mess up for a long time. In abyssea if it wasn't for proc and the crit hit atmas they would had been the same as it always was. Taking a chance on a sam being gimp was easier to work with if they were then any other job.

My bad you said this in the troll's thread. Still stands he is a symtom of a larger problem at SE.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Add each other to your ignore list before the mods use your spat as an excuse to lock this thread.

[Insaniac]

BUMP!! Quitting because I'm sick of being angry/annoyed by dumb decisions made by the dev team. The on specifically that pushed me over the edge is the requirement for level 99 stage 1 relics and mythics.

[Nordya]

Since this been bumped, I am too letting subscription lapse at the end of the month. Being blocked in progressing storylines is pretty much it for me. I didn't even bother uncapping, population is going down. Was a nice run. To all of those I had the pleasure of knowing in this game, if you read this, thank you for the memories.

One of the last two friends I had on this game has permanently cancelled to play SWTOR (first time in 7 years), and well guess this quote from Episode V is appropriate: "I'll meet you at the rendez-vous point on Tatooine."

[Rewyen]

"An onion dagger!? wtf is this crap?"

But seriously, pretty much everyone I know has quit and come back more than once, myself included. It's been like this since I started back in '04. I don't expect it to change. A new MMO just came out and it's shiny. When it's no longer new, watch the influx come roaring back, like every other time.

[Kimble]

Most people most likely wont be back after the stuff they have been doing since 95 cap.

[Anewie]

BUMP!! Quitting because I'm sick of being angry/annoyed by dumb decisions made by the dev team. The on specifically that pushed me over the edge is the requirement for level 99 stage 1 relics and mythics.

lmao are u FOR REAL? That quest is easy....

Are you serious right now?For what you get, the requirements are very easy.

I cannot believe you're quitting over 20 adl drops. lmao

[Kimble]

lmao are u FOR REAL? That quest is easy....

Are you serious right now?For what you get, the requirements are very easy.

I cannot believe you're quitting over 20 adl drops. lmao

what a loser haha

So painfully obvious that someone has never done ADL, or realizes how many people you need to force to help you do it.

[Alerith]

lmao are u FOR REAL? That quest is easy....

Are you serious right now?For what you get, the requirements are very easy.

I cannot believe you're quitting over 20 adl drops. lmao

http://i.imgur.com/5m0JX.jpg

[Frost]

lmao are u FOR REAL? That quest is easy....

Are you serious right now?For what you get, the requirements are very easy.

I cannot believe you're quitting over 20 adl drops. lmao


Ok I got to ask. You're really not this bad. I knew you and Benni on Quetz and you were nice, normal people.

What's with the false front and D+ trolling you do everywhere?

Does this really derive some kind of pleasure for you? It's so contrary to the you I knew it really falls flat, like you're trolling based on some kind of outdated formula from a 1970's handbook titled: "Bullies and You". You're acting like the kid that got picked on, and tries to pick on others to feel included. You're just making a fool of yourself, and being a hypocrite.

Stop please. I know you're smarter than this.

[Maacha]

I'm joining the "I quit" roles, largely because of the relic trials. My mule account is already shut down and my main 2 accounts will be turned off in a matter of days.

My Dynamis LS broke months ago, since everyone would rather solo/duo for their loot than work with group of people to take down the harder NMs. I haven't killed a single Arch Dynamis Boss yet, let alone ADL. I haven't even done more than a handful of VW fights. I have very few friends left who play FFXI and I highly doubt I'd be able to get my new LS to help me kill 40 ADLs to upgrade my husband's and my relics, since I've barely done any events with them and they hardly know me.

Getting kills on ADL might be plausible, since relic holders could work together on the goals at the same time, but getting items from him means only 1 person will benefit from the work of a full alliance. I don't even know a full alliance worth of people anymore, let alone a full alliance that would help me with a pissy NM that would only drop a single item toward the upgrade of a single weapon...

[Dekusuta]

Not yet quitting, but the following 3 points are 3 reasons that didn't exist a year ago when I was having fun with the game and felt SE and their FFXI team have turned a corner with the abyssea system.

-The lvl 99 trials
- Favouring of certain jobs to access large swathe of content. BSTs can pretty much solo their relics now; while other jobs require begging of helpers which naturally slow down your progress as most people wouldn't help for free
- Legion

As it stands, the little good will they generated with magian trials and abyssea is gone and the tone of the developer's 'vision' has reversed at an increasing rate towards masochism and treating the playerbase like we don't have a life. I may just take my money and spend it on Capcom's MonHun. I heard MonHun4 is coming soon.

[Anewie]

Ok I got to ask. You're really not this bad. I knew you and Benni on Quetz and you were nice, normal people.

What's with the false front and D+ trolling you do everywhere?

Does this really derive some kind of pleasure for you? It's so contrary to the you I knew it really falls flat, like you're trolling based on some kind of outdated formula from a 1970's handbook titled: "Bullies and You". You're acting like the kid that got picked on, and tries to pick on others to feel included. You're just making a fool of yourself, and being a hypocrite.

Stop please. I know you're smarter than this.


Maybe I'm being a bit outlandish, and okay i'll tone it down but has anyone forgotten the stats? It's a huge boost.

We went from 1k/500/3k to this.

Is it going to require man power and some persistence? Yea but it's more of an annoying task than anything. Don't you agree?


It's obvious I gave a bit of an obnoxious personality, I get it, I can be a bitch. But i'm not trolling. I personally think is reasonable? Massively annoying, but any group or ls can dedicate dynamis runs for their relics. It's NOTHING like it was before.

Does this fall in line with "an entire ls or group working towards one person" thing, Yeah. No argument there. But it's not nearly as bad as it was at 75... Admit that at least. My ls will not have any problem attempting this. The only issue is how random ADL can be for killing the right one.

I don't think it's nearly as hard as people are making it out to be.

I'm biased though cause I personally not even going to bother if it's too much of a hassle, so maybe i'm not giving you people who just want the best enough credit, but quitting over it?

I think that's a bit silly, but you're right. I shouldn't be so obnoxious.

[Moink]

Maybe I'm being a bit outlandish, and okay i'll tone it down but has anyone forgotten the stats? It's a huge boost.

We went from 1k/500/3k to this.

Is it going to require man power and some persistence? Yea but it's more of an annoying task than anything. Don't you agree?


It's obvious I gave a bit of an obnoxious personality, I get it, I can be a bitch. But i'm not trolling. I personally think is reasonable? Massively annoying, but any group or ls can dedicate dynamis runs for their relics. It's NOTHING like it was before.

Does this fall in line with "an entire ls or group working towards one person" thing, Yeah. No argument there. But it's not nearly as bad as it was at 75... Admit that at least. My ls will not have any problem attempting this. The only issue is how random ADL can be for killing the right one.

I don't think it's nearly as hard as people are making it out to be.

I'm biased though cause I personally not even going to bother if it's too much of a hassle, so maybe i'm not giving you people who just want the best enough credit, but quitting over it?

I think that's a bit silly, but you're right. I shouldn't be so obnoxious.

People are complaining about the stage 1 99 weapons because SE mentioned it would be easy to get with relative ease. 20-10-60 is not relative ease for any weapon. especially since its the exact same item required for stage 2 99. It is a major complaint that all are talking about.

Mythic builders have worked their asses off for their weapon. Pre-76+ relic builders have had the same difficulty and Emp builders can just deal with whats handed to them. What SE has done to Relic and Mythic users is spit in their faces after years of hard work.

[Vold]

Maybe I'm being a bit outlandish, and okay i'll tone it down but has anyone forgotten the stats? It's a huge boost.

We went from 1k/500/3k to this.

Is it going to require man power and some persistence? Yea but it's more of an annoying task than anything. Don't you agree?


It's obvious I gave a bit of an obnoxious personality, I get it, I can be a bitch. But i'm not trolling. I personally think is reasonable? Massively annoying, but any group or ls can dedicate dynamis runs for their relics. It's NOTHING like it was before.

Does this fall in line with "an entire ls or group working towards one person" thing, Yeah. No argument there. But it's not nearly as bad as it was at 75... Admit that at least. My ls will not have any problem attempting this. The only issue is how random ADL can be for killing the right one.

I don't think it's nearly as hard as people are making it out to be.

I'm biased though cause I personally not even going to bother if it's too much of a hassle, so maybe i'm not giving you people who just want the best enough credit, but quitting over it?

I think that's a bit silly, but you're right. I shouldn't be so obnoxious.I and others cannot stress this enough: It's not quitting over ONE THING, it's a long line of shit that has built up over the span of years. It adds up.

No one who isn't being a troll wants to do the ADL trial. So what about the stats, they could have easily made us earn those stats other ways. But no, they troll us with 20 ADL drops. So there's going to be like... 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 total LSs that are bored enough to go through with it until they either get done in a few years or they break apart due to shitty drama over ADL. Take your pick. We didn't ask for the level cap raise. It can bite me if this is the outcome of it.

[Nynja]

Add me to the list....if this is SEs idea of "a reasonable trial which majority of lv95s in average gear can complete", then ill keep my money.

Yeah, ADL can be killed by an alliance of lv 95s...does that mean it makes sense that a group can only complete 1 relic per month going every day? Fk mo

[Saefinn]

Why I quit:

Time Sinks:
I like a challenge, not endurance. Time sinks = wasted time. Time sinks are where you're spending time not doing a lot or are needlessly repeating a task. What I like is for a reward to be harder to get because the fight is more challenging. For this reason I loved G5/Maat, if you didn't pick one of the easier jobs this was an interesting challenge. It wasn't a case of defeat him 'x' number of times, it was try and beat him and it may take 'x' number of tries.

Imbalance of Jobs: Abyssea was the annoying one here. There were 'favourite' jobs for Abyssea that Abyssea was pretty much made for. It made it harder to play your preferred jobs, my top 3 were SCH, COR and PUP. My Aby LS had me come SCH, which was nice, but it meant I was healer either on smaller NMs or to assist another healer. I don't think I've played SCH as a SCH in Abyssea. COR I got to use 3 times (I didn't have Arma). PUP...in small solo situations. For shout parties, if I asked if they needed a SCH the response would normally be: "do you have a BLM?" or "do you have a WHM?"

Unsatisfactory Updates: SE made the forum to get more feedback and to be closer to the players, kudos. It seems some jobs still get the better attention than others. On the odd occasion you can see where the forum might have impacted an update, but it seems a number of problems are ignored. It seems when a job is underpowered or a spell/ability is underachieving they don't make much of a move but when something is overachieving they're usually quick to nerf it.


Levelling got boring: Granted, Valkurm Dunes and Qufim got boring after a while. Book burns were nice and quick for levelling up, but boring as hell. To my eyes, the solution to quick exp would have been to increase the exp rate even more. Normal exp parties were a blast, Wajoam was one of my favourites, particularly as our LS groups knew how to get a pretty decent set up for it and the best part about these parties was you could experiment your job's play style a bit - it was how I discovered my love for SCH and COR and lead me to appreciate their good qualities. Okay, this is probably a minor thing, but I can't say I liked getting my subs up or getting a new job up. I ended up keying MNK and SMN...heck, keyed my RNG from 65 to 72 yesterday. Weirdly enough, before BB, it's not something I would have done (arguably, if I'm gonna sit around bored getting exp, why don't I go for for the quickest method?)

Why I came back

FFXI is a decent game. I've played other MMORPGs, but I've found them to be pretty boring. After I quit I did get into WoW, but the journey to level 85 wasn't that interesting and once I hit it...I got pretty bored. But I like WoW because there were things they did right, customer service was one. They seemed to have an idea about what each job is meant to do and what they're for, but also what job I chose wasn't so much of a problem because they didn't seem as imbalanced. Whilst people claimed some jobs were OP, I didn't actually experience it. Problems with FFXI still exist and I don't think they weigh any less because I think it's a good game (why would I play it if it was bad?)

Linkshells: Met some interesting people playing this game and enjoyed playing it with them, I missed teaming up with cool people.

Unexplored Content: I spent a lot of time doing endgame and levelling jobs that I didn't appreciate more of the game. Once I have, I'll no longer have this reason to stay.

People like COR: I heard COR gained popularity and people like having one in VW. Given COR was a job I wanted to play a lot more, this was good to see. A reason to play one of my favourite jobs in the game. In Abyssea there wasn't much of an attraction for people to use it, so it's refreshing to be on the winning side in that respect. Plus SCH had some attractive Regen updates, but I can't say whether or not I find them useful, because I've not used them yet, my SCH is still 90 and I might play it again, I just don't want to get into a situation where it's a second class White Mage.

[Zinato]

Were the items from ADL, PW and riftstuff proven to be purchasable or no? Personally if they are sellable, i'm just spending that time farming cash, let a merc shell do the work... >.> (nice try but, no cigar SE)

[Alerith]

Were the items from ADL, PW and riftstuff proven to be purchasable or no? Personally if they are sellable, i'm just spending that time farming cash, let a merc shell do the work... >.> (nice try but, no cigar SE)

You're gonna farm 20mil per item?

Have fun with that.

[Zinato]

Sooner that then build the set myself besides, 20m is ~10 days of Dynamis farm which many can solo. Didn't say it wouldn't take awhile, but to skip the trouble of dealing with them sure I would. Plus 20m seems a bit high even for such an item.

[Ravenmore]

Sooner that then build the set myself besides, 20m is ~10 days of Dynamis farm which many can solo. Didn't say it wouldn't take awhile, but to skip the trouble of dealing with them sure I would. Plus 20m seems a bit high even for such an item.

Yeah you do know that its 18 people spilting 20 mil right for ADL so don't expect to see many and 20 mil is lowballing the heck out of it. The simple fact there is a 25% chance of SE craping on 18 peoples 2 hours of time they could had been farm currancy, mercs will be charging much more. Then how many alts will you need to feed zeni plates to to get the T4 pops, going to be hard getting people to farm that for you. Remember how hard it was to get people to do it when they znm mobs drop stuff people wanted so again 20 mil is low balling.

[Zinato]

Ok, ill rephrase price isn't the issue, I'd rather spend gil (made from dynamis, cruor, VW w/e) then take the time to organize 18 people so that only I benefit. If it takes a year of soloing something I can solo vs playing LS leader just long enough to complete the trial ill take the solo option. Besides I heard they could drop x2 which would cut overall price:work. Could be mistaken on that fact. This only really apply to relic/mythic anyway the rift items already go for 150k on my server.

[Ravenmore]

Ok, ill rephrase price isn't the issue, I'd rather spend gil (made from dynamis, cruor, VW w/e) then take the time to organize 18 people so that only I benefit. If it takes a year of soloing something I can solo vs playing LS leader just long enough to complete the trial ill take the solo option. Besides I heard they could drop x2 which would cut overall price:work. Could be mistaken on that fact. This only really apply to relic/mythic anyway the rift items already go for 150k on my server.

Yeah your really not getting it there simply to much risk for you avg merc LSes to farm these to sell. And anyone putting together a run will be going to get the items for them selfs. Now if you want to put 20 mil up front for them they might but they could also farm it for their own. Don't expect the supply to be near enough for you to buy one cause you are not the only one that will think that way. Hell then supply and demand kicks in driving the price even higher.

[Nynja]

Sooner that then build the set myself besides, 20m is ~10 days of Dynamis farm which many can solo. Didn't say it wouldn't take awhile, but to skip the trouble of dealing with them sure I would. Plus 20m seems a bit high even for such an item.

Presuming that this item actually does get farmed by people looking to sell, at 20 mil a piece...20 items at 10 days per item is 200 days to upgrade your relic to 99, have fun with that rofl

It takes less time to build a relic from scratch and do all the trials to 95.

[Zinato]

Presuming that this item actually does get farmed by people looking to sell, at 20 mil a piece...20 items at 10 days per item is 200 days to upgrade your relic to 99, have fun with that rofl

It takes less time to build a relic from scratch and do all the trials to 95.

I will, thank you.

[Damane]

Ok, ill rephrase price isn't the issue, I'd rather spend gil (made from dynamis, cruor, VW w/e) then take the time to organize 18 people so that only I benefit. If it takes a year of soloing something I can solo vs playing LS leader just long enough to complete the trial ill take the solo option. Besides I heard they could drop x2 which would cut overall price:work. Could be mistaken on that fact. This only really apply to relic/mythic anyway the rift items already go for 150k on my server.

you do know that each LS that has relics will keep the drops for their relics first. The earliest time you would see something like this in a bazaar sold in "masses" would be 6 months after the trial was implemented. Even then good luck, because I doubt the average hoe will kill ADL consistently, while the good shells will keep the drop to upgrade their own relics...

[Tamoa]

Ok, ill rephrase price isn't the issue, I'd rather spend gil (made from dynamis, cruor, VW w/e) then take the time to organize 18 people so that only I benefit. If it takes a year of soloing something I can solo vs playing LS leader just long enough to complete the trial ill take the solo option. Besides I heard they could drop x2 which would cut overall price:work. Could be mistaken on that fact. This only really apply to relic/mythic anyway the rift items already go for 150k on my server.

1. The fact that you in another post ask if the upgrade items are sellable, proves that you haven't been paying attention at all to the ongoing discussions regarding the upgrade trials. That tells me that you really have no clue how utterly retarded these trials are.

2. @the bolded part: I check bazaars daily and the lowest I have seen for riftcinder is 250k, riftdross is always higher priced. And that's already a while ago. It was only yesterday I saw someone shouting to buy riftcinder for 1 mil each. And I'm on Asura too btw. The supply is incredibly low aswell, since only 2 nms can drop them and that specific slot in the treasure chest is shared between armour or weapon, heavy metal plate, scrolls, and riftcinder or riftdross. Or quite possibly an ore or a log...


The only "good" thing about the empyrean trial, is not having to depend on other people to get your items.

[Zinato]

/sigh
I didn't say the trials were ok the way they were
I didn't say I don't want them changed
I didn't say buying was the fastest or most effective way

What I did do is ask if they were in fact sellable (I knew the empy was but was unsure of the others) I never got a straight answer to this btw though, I'm assuming yes.
I also stated my preference to completing the trial, my personal opinion. I wouldn't expect other players to do the same but, I also didn't count on my opinion becoming a discussion. On the assumption there is no changing the minds of the DEVs in regards to the final trial I would prefer wait XX amount of time (years if I must) If only for the satisfaction I didn't play by the Devs stupid rules. Again, this is personal choice no one is making anyone do what I plan to do.

As far as the 150k rift items I don't intend to reveal the players that put them up for that price otherwise it wouldn't be as easy for me to get them at that price. (If I decide to upgrade or just sell at a higher price for relic upgrades remains to be seen)

There is now a page of posts discussing my opinion.

[Tamoa]

Well then - yes, both the other items are sellable. I've seen the ADL item in 2 different bazaars recently, both priced at 30 mil. Check Vinner when you see him, he has the PW item in his bazaar for max gil (or at least he did a couple of days ago).



On the assumption there is no changing the minds of the DEVs in regards to the final trial I would prefer wait XX amount of time (years if I must) If only for the satisfaction I didn't play by the Devs stupid rules.

That's the point though - at this stage of the game, you shouldn't have to wait years to be able to finish a trial like this. You shouldn't have to spend 200 million gil (like someone else mentioned earlier, presuming the ADL item sells for 10 mil per, which I really don't see happening) to take your relic from level 95 to level 99, that's just insane. You shouldn't have to rely on 17 other people for help with little to no reward for them. At least not when we're talking about the time investment required for 10 PWs and 20 ADLs.

[Insaniac]

lmao are u FOR REAL? That quest is easy....

Are you serious right now?For what you get, the requirements are very easy.

I cannot believe you're quitting over 20 adl drops. lmaoMy LS has 20+ relics. Lets assume they lower the requirements to 5. We still have to kill ADL 100+ times. If I could kill ADL 5 times and never have to worry about it again I wouldn't quit but the thought of killing it 100 times over the next year or so and then having to start all over on the new relics that people have gotten while we finished the first set makes me want to quit. I'm not a jerk so I don't intend on getting what I need and then telling everyone else to screw themselves which means if I want my elic I will be doing ADL 100+ times. Do you get it now?

[cidbahamut]

If she had any chance of getting it then you two wouldn't be having this argument.

[Anewie]

My LS has 20+ relics. Lets assume they lower the requirements to 5. We still have to kill ADL 100+ times. If I could kill ADL 5 times and never have to worry about it again I wouldn't quit but the thought of killing it 100 times over the next year or so and then having to start all over on the new relics that people have gotten while we finished the first set makes me want to quit. I'm not a jerk so I don't intend on getting what I need and then telling everyone else to screw themselves which means if I want my elic I will be doing ADL 100+ times. Do you get it now?

I understand what you're saying, I just think it's silly to quit over it. Especially since it's quite possible for you to attain. Now maybe you have to wait in line, but patience is a virtue, and you don't need every one of your relics 99. If that's all that's standing between you and quitting, well maybe the game isn't for you. This quest is not unreasonable imo.

Takes time, effort, team work, a bit of selfishness, sure. Unreasonable? Nope, not imo. Only from the point of view that people will have to wait in line and groups have to work together to progress on a single persons' weapon each time.

Don't quit over it though, it's not that deep. I mean we went from what it was going to be, to this. I say we got lucky tbh.

[Insaniac]

Any game where my LS is required to do the same exact event 2-3 times a week for a year straight and still not be done upgrading everyone's 99 is not the game for me. I have no problem with putting forth reasonable effort and even some unreasonable effort but being expected to do the same boring garbage event that half of the people there really would rather not be doing over and over and over with no end in sight just screams "QUIT THAT POS GAME!! STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY!!". Even other terrible grinds like VW and Salvage had variation.

Really it's not even about this one single decision. The devs either do not get it or just don't care. When I came back to the game I used to be excited about update notes and dev posts but now I dread them. Half the things they do annoy or upset me so why should I continue paying so I can subject myself to that? There's all kinds of stuff I can do for free that will annoy me like waiting in line behind an old lady paying with a check or cleaning my cats litter box.

[FrankReynolds]

I used to be excited about update notes and dev posts but now I dread them. Half the things they do annoy or upset me......

/sigh this is so true.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

patience is a virtue

Patience costs $12.95/mo

[Anewie]

Patience costs $12.95/mo
^^;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

[Rewyen]

And yet we all pay....

Guys....

I think we might have a problem.

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[Zarchery]

I'm thinking about it, because I've sorta run out of stuff to do. I finally finished all missions a few days ago. I have all the equipment I want for WHM, BLM, and MNK. I might stick around a while longer to finish up BST +2 feet and hands, and get the rest of those abyssites.

Really everyone, if the game is causing you undue stress and decreasing levels of joy, it's time for a break.

[Nynja]

Really everyone, if the game is causing you undue stress and decreasing levels of joy, it's time for a break.

Its not the game thats causing "undue stress and deceasing levels of joy", its the constant bullshit that SE spews out at us, then tells us "oh well make it more justified, we actually WANT people to complete this content", and then spew out more bullshit which maybe 5% of the playerbase will be able to complete.

[Catsby]

Naw, There's a metric fuckton of stuff to do in this game. The problem is that none of it gets maintained or updated and the devs use archaic methods to focus all of our attention on one or two bits of new content.

I would put time back into this game(lots of time) if quests, bcnms, missions, trials, assaults and other events were updated/polished a bit. It just sucks to log in and see everything that was fun collecting dust while another lame NM system with shitty drops rates gets added every year.

[Maacha]

And yet we all pay....
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Nope, not me anymore. My accounts were cancelled a few days ago. Not sure when my forum access will be yanked...

Thinking of picking up TERA again, there's a big update coming soon with new gear, areas, and higher levels, and I don't have to pay for an "expansion" either!

[Rewyen]

Nope, not me anymore. My accounts were cancelled a few days ago.

See you in a few months.

[Alerith]

Nope, not me anymore. My accounts were cancelled a few days ago. Not sure when my forum access will be yanked...

Thinking of picking up TERA again, there's a big update coming soon with new gear, areas, and higher levels, and I don't have to pay for an "expansion" either!

Nobody quits FFXI. Prolonged breaks, vacations, haiatus, sure. But they all come back.

[FrankReynolds]

Nobody quits FFXI. Prolonged breaks, vacations, haiatus, sure. But they all come back.

That's why you gotta go out with a bang. Curse all your friends out, and run around waving your privates. get the character banned just to be sure you don't get suckered back in.

[Maacha]

See you in a few months.

Nope. The Dev team has nothing planned that would lure me back, and we all know how long it takes from planning to implementation. I'm done running on the hamster wheel for almost no reward. They just posted "new" requirements of 5 ADL items for relics, but that is still out of reach for me.

I'm surprised I can still post... probably only because I haven't logged out of the forum since my accounts were deactivated. If I close this browser tab, I'll probably be cut off.

[Ravenmore]

Nope. The Dev team has nothing planned that would lure me back, and we all know how long it takes from planning to implementation. I'm done running on the hamster wheel for almost no reward. They just posted "new" requirements of 5 ADL items for relics, but that is still out of reach for me.

I'm surprised I can still post... probably only because I haven't logged out of the forum since my accounts were deactivated. If I close this browser tab, I'll probably be cut off.

Its no longer billing on the first its 30 days from when you payed to when they kick you.

[Kimble]

After 10 years, and the stuff SE has been doing since 90 cap, I think its pretty safe to say people that are leaving now, prob wont be back.

[Maacha]

Its no longer billing on the first its 30 days from when you payed to when they kick you.

My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

[Ravenmore]

My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

Oh ok cool. Its really looking like I won't be far behind. I have 2 friends to repay in game once I get them to 85 on both thier emp.s I'm done so one month left for me most likely.

[Anewie]

lmao at all these people saying they gonna quit.

yall aint goin NOWHERE. Ur just gonna stay on the forums and trash the game.

[Zarchery]

Its not the game thats causing "undue stress and deceasing levels of joy", its the constant bullshit that SE spews out at us, then tells us "oh well make it more justified, we actually WANT people to complete this content", and then spew out more bullshit which maybe 5% of the playerbase will be able to complete.

Which is within a video game. SE has no authority outside that sphere. No modification to Final Fantasy 11 can impact the quality of your favorite TV show or some other video game.

[chubrocka]

Well I stopped in nov 2011. I still read the forums sometimes but I have no interest in the game any longer

[wish12oz]

My accounts were attempting to deduct Crysta on the 29th, I got an email saying they were being suspended on that day because there was no Crysta in the account. I have not tried to log into the game, but I assume I am locked out by now. I assume my browser cookie is keeping me logged into the forum, so if I close my browser tab I'll lose that cookie and no longer be able to log in here.

As long as you don't click on your name, or log out of the forums, you'll be able to post even though your accounts are off. (I was able to post for a month and half while my accounts were off, and it auto logged me out when I accidentally clicked my name.)

[Psxpert2011]

So you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to know that the player base is shrinking, and frustrations with the dev team are rising. Admittedly, the idea for this thread was sparked by the recent news of the WAR and VSmite MNK nerf, but there are still plenty of reasons outside of that why the game is in the current state we find it. As we all know, the only way to really make any business listen to you is by hitting them where it hurts: The Wallet.

Let's try to keep the criticism constructive; everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My plan for this thread is to really keep it on the topic of why you intend to leave the game--not to much to discussion the issues in depth. There are plenty of issue specific threads for that. The inevitable Troll War is pretty much a guarantee, but let's see how many legitimate posts we get before all hell breaks loose.

So that being said--Why are you currently thinking about quitting? Real life? New MMO? Bored? Lack of content? Nerfs? Blatant disregard by the devs to the wants/needs of the player base?

I'll chime in later once I see if this thread gathers some steam...and I want to avoid the wall o' text as much as possible.

The reasons to why I would quit (in order of principles):

-Lack of friends logging online to FFxi.

-Lack of funds to pour into this mmo.

-Lack of time to manage between IRL and virtual life.

-PLayer base may strink but if there's no community left with interest to complete content...

-Lack or interest.

-Tired of lack of progression.

-Bored of the same content and lack of expansions.

-I may decide to just focus on FFxiv instead/ rinse and repeat.

No one may think the same as me but that's what my faithfulness holds to ffxi/xiv. It's a game and no other mmo stand par with it. SE need to just remember to do things differently and not mirror other companies and hold true to the community base. It's their game, their ideas as well so what ever works(fine) let it fly but what doesn't work(adjust) at-least the community has a voice and SE will listen(hopefully).

[Vosslerr]

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others? The only reason you would post why you want to quit is because your still trying to hold on to the game. Just let it go. lol

[cidbahamut]

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others?
Feedback so SE can learn from their mistakes. Also just being vindictive and an excuse to shout "this is how you wronged me and I hope everyone knows it so that they will think as poorly of you as I do".

So catharsis basically.

[Ravenmore]

I looked at this threads title and said "seriously?" If you want to quit then just quit.. Why tell others? The only reason you would post why you want to quit is because your still trying to hold on to the game. Just let it go. lol

To get my last pay check I had to do a exit survey at my last job. It was to help the company know where they went wrong in keeping you around. It had one box for the reason and then more for ways for the company to improve and retain employees. Thats the line of thinking that if SE knows where the lost the player they can fix it you know other companies pay out the butt to get other compnies to do that.