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[SkyVargrant]

Es wird langsam an der Zeit um mal einfach so meinen absoluten Unmut über ffxi auszudrücken. Sagtmal, ist SE eigendlich total neben der Rolle? Massamune Trial mit 1400 Metallplates? Leute, das Jahr har 365 Tage... ok angenommen man macht 2 runs am tag und hat immer Drop von minestens 1 Stück, dan sind das 1,9 jahre. Aber viele Leute haben nur 4-5 Stunden am Tag Zeit Ffxi zu spielen. Was Soll das? Das Gleiche in WoE man benötigt für gewissse Trials 100 Items, und man kann 1 x pro Stunde mitmachen. Das sind 100 Stunden, wen jedes mall 1 Dropp abfällt. Tut es aber nicht. "Ich VERLANGE" "VERLANGE"!!!! 100% Dropprate bei Devious dice und bei Laminal Residue. Teilweise hab ich keien Bock mehr auf Ffxi. Warscheinlich werde ich Starwars oder sowas spielen. Ich bin einfach nur masslos entäucht.

[Meyi]

Ah, wrong forums buddy. This is the English forums, German forums are over there (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forums/224).

[SkyVargrant]

I have raly problems to fins the option to write a threath in this Forum. There is something what realy makes me mad. I play Summoner about 1 week now, and Diabolos is my favorite Avatar. To hard that i have to realyze that Diabolos have only Dissadvantages on his Final Percomand Rage: Night Terror. Night Terror deals about 40% more dammage, when the target is asleep. What is the meaning about that? Listen SE, my dear SE... maybe you didn't know, but my Mob aweakes, as soon i hit it. So what is the big deal than with Night Terror? SE "You" will!!! diasabel this stupid (Mob need to be asleep to deal 40% more damage" Nonsense. Trough Night Terror is the last one Diabolos will recive, means that even on 99. I expect a minimum from 2k damage with Night Terror. What sahll this? I can just recomand that SE think things trough more realistic, and not Mob down any avatars without any reason. i am dissapointet egain.

[Camiie]

Yeah, Diabolos is extremely underpowered. If not for his favor outside of Abyssea he'd be utterly useless, and even then his usefulness is highly questionable at best. His Wards are as worthless these days as his Rages. The last time I bothered with any of his Wards was when I was doing a trial that required Darkness damage. When Night Terror left the mob at 1% I'd use Somnolence to finish it. It's nice that he has a Ward that does (miniscule) damage, but I only needed that because Night Terror is so lackluster.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

He's the best proc finder in VW due to his higher inate defence bonus'.

[Camiie]

He's the best proc finder in VW due to his higher inate defence bonus'.

Well woop de do.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Honestly, if you need to favor refresh your mages, there's something wrong with your mages.

[Arcon]

Honestly, if you need to favor refresh your mages, there's something wrong with your mages.

Right, because mages can't possibly run out of MP.

[Alhanelem]

There's nothing wrong with night terror, except for the fact that it's terrible, even with the damage bonus. It needs to be a lot more powerful, especially given the gimmick.

Diablos is all about dreams- it makes complete sense that he has abilities that have to do with sleep.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Right, because mages can't possibly run out of MP.This is a poor, "I learned how to play mage in abyssea" attitude.

[Arcon]

This is a poor, "I learned how to play mage in abyssea" attitude.

No, this is reality. You have a "I still only play Abyssea" attitude if you think mages can't run out of MP. Even in VW you can run out of MP if you're unlucky with procs for a while, not to mention Legion and anything that will be added after that. Or what's your magical solution to MP depletion when you're trying to get AM and ga/ja procs? How is my Abyssea leveled brain (which isn't the case, by the way) not seeing the obvious, which you so clearly do?

[katz]

I think they are refering to taru mp pools with /rdm or /sch subs and refresh equipment worn....not a nakied galka

ps drinking mp refresh and mp medications casting tieir 1 spells......

[Karbuncle]

There's nothing wrong with night terror, except for the fact that it's terrible, even with the damage bonus. It needs to be a lot more powerful, especially given the gimmick.

Diablos is all about dreams- it makes complete sense that he has abilities that have to do with sleep.

Making sense doesn't always make for good abilities. Of all Diabolos' abilities, only 2 deal with sleep. Nightmare, and NightTerror.

Nether Blast is a good example of how it could be handled. If they're going to make it to where it does bonus damage while the enemy is asleep, they should make it to where it does not wake the enemy up. Which is probably impossible since it would have to be a deep-sleep effect like Nightmare Mandragora. But it should not wake the enemy up.

That said, Its damage should be boosted to about 1,000 Damage as a base. 75BP's blow it out of the water, Its got consistency on its side, But if FFXI Has taught of anything, Consistent BP damage means nothing when other jobs can be just as consistent for 2x as much, 2x as often, and have TP Damage phase thrown in.

[Alhanelem]

Nether Blast is a good example of how it could be handled. If they're going to make it to where it does bonus damage while the enemy is asleep, they should make it to where it does not wake the enemy up.The mechanic is fine as it is. You simply use this ability when you WANT to wake the enemy up. It's situational, like every other god dang thing in the game.

However, it should be much stronger than it is, befitting an ability used in such an uncommon situation.

There's nothing wrong with the ability. It's just like Dream Eater in Pokemon- and that was quite a popular move for some time in that game. Being able to do ~1500 damage to a sleeping mob and not wake it up would be ridiculously overpowered.

[Karbuncle]

The mechanic is fine as it is. You simply use this ability when you WANT to wake the enemy up. It's situational, like every other god dang thing in the game.

I can't even name a reasonable situation where you would sleep something for the purpose of waking it up with a BP Later intentionally. Can you?

[Alhanelem]

I can't even name a reasonable situation where you would sleep something for the purpose of waking it up with a BP Later intentionally. Can you? Theres about a million reasonable situations. How many times have you sleepga'd a bunch of monsters, then killed one before the others woke up? You are ready to fight another monster- therefore you have a prime target for this ability. You didn't sleep the mobs *specifically* to use the ability, you slept them for crowd control, like any normal person. It simply presents the opportune moment to use this ability.

The only reason it's not used is because it sucks. It needs to do way more damage than it does given it's MP cost.

e.g. damage on non-slept mob = comprable to damage of any other blood pact. Damage to slept mob = at least 50% more than that. Currently, the ability is sub-par in the former situation and meh in the latter. If it actually had a power level that would make it attractive, I would try to use it at every opportunity.

[Karbuncle]

Theres about a million reasonable situations

Be more specific. If theres a Million or so, even being an exaggeration, You should be able to name a few specific situations where You would have Diabolos out, It would be preferred over a 75 BP, and You'd actually invite a Summoner to.

Problem is, Its an unreasonable request for me to ask you this, because there are no situations where this BP Can be useful. I was going to bring up Dreameater In my last post, But honestly Pokemons mechanics function differently, Sleeping has a great effect because its a turn based game. in FFXI, an Ability designed to be used while the mob is asleep is just garbage unless it didn't wake the enemy up.

You sleep the enemy for a reason, and any situation where you'd crowd-control sleep, People would already be fighting the one mob you'll start with. Keeping Diabolos out in preparation for the next mob would just gimp your damage by not using another pet inbetween. If you did use other BP's inbetween, You run the risk of timer not being up.

The BP is completely impracticable, so is its gimmick. Any situation you may give to make this BP seem useful would just be full of holes because this gimmick does not integrate well into FFXI.


How many times have you sleepga'd a bunch of monsters, then killed one before the others woke up? You are ready to fight another monster- therefore you have a prime target for this ability.

Maybe a few times, But I've never seen a summoner brought a long to a situation like this. The only time i can think of doing this, ever is Dynamis, Which you'll be wanting to kill quickly. Waiting for a pet to BP before fighting is just going to slow you down, Even assuming you have Diabolos out.

Oh, And a 75 or 70BP would still be twice as strong, and reliably consistent considering the level difference. So it would be stupid to use Diabolos in that situation.


The only reason it's not used is because it sucks. It needs to do way more damage than it does given it's MP cost.

Well, At least we agree on something. The BP Sucks. if it was just an "okay" BP, but did better than 75BP's if the mob was asleep, It would make sense that its such a gimmicky BP, cause it would be situationally stronger than 75BPs, but as is, its just a gimp useless BP.

[Alhanelem]

Oh, And a 75 or 70BP would still be twice as strong,That's the only reason this is a problem. As I said. The only thing that needs to be done to it is make it stronger. The BP costs more (a lot more if you used diabolos' nightmare to make a 1-2 combo) than the BPs people currently use, but is weaker (even with the bonus sometimes). SE seems to think that we can't have good damage out of light or dark element.


Maybe a few times, But I've never seen a summoner brought a long to a situation like this.Maybe you haven't, but some people do. Most people don't really use summoner at all, so your statement doesn't hold much water.

These days, I actually use SMN more than any of my other jobs.

[Karbuncle]

Did you continue to read or just stop halfway through.

[DaBackpack]

This is a poor, "I learned how to play mage in abyssea" attitude.

It's not that you necessarily NEED the refresh, but having the extra MP gives you freedom to be a bit less frugal with spells.
It's not a matter of running out of MP, but rather one of casting more spells in the same time period.
I would not call this a good reason to keep an avatar out, though. There are better options at the moment.

[Kysaiana]

Diabolos' favor is fine if you're sitting around doing nothing and your PT needs MP, but if you're fighting something and you want a SMN to sit there with diabolos out and not use a BP at, because this will reset favor, then why bring SMN at all? If you're so hard pressed for MP bring a RDM or an extra BRD.

All of Diabolos' BP are pretty useless these days. Night Terror does more consistent damage than Holy Mist or Lunar Bay but that's not saying much. Dream Shroud doesn't do anything if you have an Acetic's Drink up, his Phalanx is useless, and let's not forget the glorified dispel move that can't KO an EP mob with over 50% hp.

[Alhanelem]

and let's not forget the glorified dispel move that can't KO an EP mob with over 50% hp. it "can't" KO a EP mob with less than 50% HP either. I've seen no coorelation between how the mob checks or how much HP it has left and success rate.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, this is reality. You have a "I still only play Abyssea" attitude if you think mages can't run out of MP. Even in VW you can run out of MP if you're unlucky with procs for a while, not to mention Legion and anything that will be added after that. Or what's your magical solution to MP depletion when you're trying to get AM and ga/ja procs? How is my Abyssea leveled brain (which isn't the case, by the way) not seeing the obvious, which you so clearly do?It's a tired phase that I don't realy use, but if you're runing out of MP "You're doign it wrong" and you should realy adress how you're playing said mage job. You drone on about procs. If you're in a system where you have to get procs, guess what? You have temps. I've never run out of MP in VW. You need to learn to cast more efficiently and if that's too hard to understand, you need to go out and learn for yourself what efficientcy means.