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Frost
12-22-2011, 09:49 AM
Ever since the update, Aquaveil has been acting really weird...

Kinda curious if anyone else noticed.

Before the update I would be able to take about 5-10 hits before interrupting, now I'm lucky if it lasts 2. Maybe it was bugged before and I am now seeing the "normal" Aquaveil, or it's bugged now.

Any input would be appreciated.

As a side note it seems like it was gettign hit off before stoneskin was on a couple occasions, but I've been unable to reproduce those results. If aquaveil is now being challenged before stoneskin, that might explain a few things.

And yes, I use an Emphatikos Belt.

Kokorololi
12-22-2011, 10:55 AM
Mine has been working just fine. Lasts a ton of hits with the rope, and only about 2 without.

Tsukino_Kaji
12-22-2011, 12:52 PM
I can count on 1 hands the number of times I've cast this spell inthe last 6 years.

Ophannus
12-22-2011, 02:43 PM
So good for RDM/NIN soloing as it lets you get off ichi even while being hit. I think it depends on the level of the mob compared to yours. Aquaveil saves you from an interrupt and has a chance of wearing off with each potential interrupt, similar to Third Eye+Seigen. Stronger mobs will strip Aquaveil in 1-2 hits while weaker mobs will take multiple similar to Third eye as well.

Seriha
12-22-2011, 07:09 PM
Mob level does make a difference, and to some degree, the actual amount of damage you take, too. Ideally, you should get a feel for the mob's attack speed so you can start casting just before they attack, and while you can get hit, you can still get a spell off uninterrupted. This obviously gets trickier when fighting multiple mobs, but of all the jobs that get Aquaveil natively, you're not exactly looking at having high evasion and should be avoiding that if they're T+. I've probably used the spell on BLU/RDM whisker burning more than as RDM, WHM, or SCH.

saevel
12-22-2011, 08:09 PM
I absolutely love Aquaveil on RDM now. I guarantees that you'll get that stoneskin, Ichi, Sleep or even Cure spell off while being smacked around by a DAing monster.

Seriha
12-23-2011, 02:11 AM
Even DA doesn't matter since their attack is processed at the beginning of the round. It's just visually delayed by animation. I guess between Slow II and Para/Ice Spikes, it's not too difficult to get any spell off on RDM if you swap fast gear in, though.

Alhanelem
12-23-2011, 02:13 AM
I can count on 1 hands the number of times I've cast this spell inthe last 6 years.
Then you're made of fail. Aquaveil was remade a while back. Instead of just a small chance to avoid interrupting a spell, it prevents spell interruptions entirely until it has done so a few times. The previously mentioned item increases the effect.

Neisan_Quetz
12-23-2011, 02:14 AM
Well, if you made a 102% SIR set for it it did feel like it sucked for abit but I've gotten used to the new aquaveil. +Inventory since I only need Emphatikos + normal gear with it now.

saevel
12-23-2011, 08:32 AM
Even DA doesn't matter since their attack is processed at the beginning of the round. It's just visually delayed by animation. I guess between Slow II and Para/Ice Spikes, it's not too difficult to get any spell off on RDM if you swap fast gear in, though.

DA as in they have two chances to interrupt my spell mid-cast.

"Just time is blah blah" is a bunk argument as there will often be a 0~2 second delay between what happens on the server and what you see on the screen. I dual box all the time and it's visibly noticeable when I do something on one system and a few seconds later it shows on the 2nd system.

Vold
12-23-2011, 10:11 AM
I can count on 1 hands the number of times I've cast this spell inthe last 6 years.Only ultra mega taru shock face will do because we lack a jawdrop smiley and I can't be bothered to find one to link:


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Aquaveil is like the hottest spell ever these days. Truly one of the best tools for anyone to be using if they have it.

Tsukino_Kaji
12-23-2011, 10:55 AM
Then you're made of fail. Aquaveil was remade a while back. Instead of just a small chance to avoid interrupting a spell, it prevents spell interruptions entirely until it has done so a few times. The previously mentioned item increases the effect.Or you could, you know, not get hit in the first place. I am glad to know they fixed it though.

Alhanelem
12-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Or you could, you know, not get hit in the first place. I am glad to know they fixed it though.
Or you could, you know, realize that that's not always possible and that having this effect on you means that the crucial spell you were casting doesn't get interrupted by something you didn't expect.

Mages don't have this aura of invincibility that prevents them from ever taking a hit.
Especially when soloing, it's an extremely valuable tool, and I expect people who have it to be using it periodically. If you're a SCH and use perpetuance, it can last a good length of time, and you can basically gurantee that you will be able to cast through getting hit if it ever happens in the next several minutes.

Aquaveil went from being garbage to a useful spell, and it should be used liberally.

Seriha
12-23-2011, 04:32 PM
DA as in they have two chances to interrupt my spell mid-cast.

"Just time is blah blah" is a bunk argument as there will often be a 0~2 second delay between what happens on the server and what you see on the screen. I dual box all the time and it's visibly noticeable when I do something on one system and a few seconds later it shows on the 2nd system.

I won't dispute dual box delays, but it's not like I haven't done this enough to otherwise know timing can negate the chance, especially if getting hit casting Ichi on a /NIN job.

Raxiaz
12-24-2011, 12:21 AM
Aquaveil is the only buff that I'd really like BLU to get because it would be nice for the longer-casting time spells like Magic Hammer or something. Especially when I'm trying to go for a Magic Burst off my SC. Alas, SE doesn't seem interested in giving BLU this under-rated buff, probably because if they did BLU would be unstoppable.