[dev1064] Job Adjustments: Weapon Skills

[Staren]

Monk and WAR got absolutely nothing in this update. WAR actually got a nerf already. These jobs do not need to be nerfed. If you have PUP's complaining and any other gimp job complaining please make them stronger. This is not acceptable to attempt to gimp jobs that have received absolutely nothing for several updates. Don't even get me started on the new WS's you don't get aftermath for them and in general they blow. Camate please tell me the Dev's aren't going to make people mass exodus a job just to appease a minority that is unhappy with their DPS. This is not a community friendly SE and is not a community focused SE. I already was tempted to quit with the phone service I received after being hacked and the month long process the company took before even starting to work on my accounts. This would be the final icing on the cake. Please tell me the company is not so senile or retarded to completely screw jobs that are fun to play and not as overpowered as you're trying to make them out to be.

[Runespider]

When I vent on here it's to make myself feel a bit better about the poor crap we have to put up with on a game I love and have put a lot of time into, I know however that they will ignore it and nothing will change. The reps here can't really help us cause the devs/tanaka don't give a shit what we think, aby team listened to us...these guys will never do the same...ever, going down in flames is preferable (as shown by ff14).

It's like back when endgamers complained about HNM, Sundi agreed and tried to talk to the devs to get it changed and the answer was, add Sandworm and Dark Ixion...with 5-6 hour windows that can still be botted!

[Atomic_Skull]

I wholeheartedly support the upcoming balancing of Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite and applaud the developers for finally giving attention to this issue. These two WS are ridiculously overpowered and need to be brought into line with other WS in order to keep the game from becoming "Warrior and Monk Fantasy XI"

Also, this.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1484/nelsonmuntzoriginal.jpg

[FrankReynolds]

I wholeheartedly support the upcoming balancing of Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite and applaud the developers for finally giving attention to this issue. These two WS are ridiculously overpowered and need to be brought into line with other WS in order to keep the game from becoming "Warrior and Monk Fantasy XI"


You applaud them in nerfing instead of fixing the other jobs? That's lame.

[newmonkey]

So funny you lot laughed at relic holders when 85 empyreans came out, time for a little pay back i think.

I fully support the nerf fury and smite were to overpowered.

[FrankReynolds]

I desperately want someone to argue with me

You can do better than that.

[newmonkey]

It's true the community on here bascially laughed at relic holders so im laughing back to you now xD Especailly that dumb Macross i bet he's feeling pretty stupid right now lol.

[Theytak]

LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING FUN OF YOU! HAW HAW! PAY ATTENTION TO ME AND ARGUE WITH ME!!!

At least put some effort into it. Read your post back before you hit enter. If it sounds like something a 5~12 year old would say, delete it and start over.

[newmonkey]

You've been crying on here all day Tak i'm sorry but im enjoying it once again i repeat it's a shame you lot didn't feel this way about relics back when 85 emypreans came out you know when it actually took a long time and effort to make a relic.

[Theytak]

You've been crying on here all day Tak i'm sorry but im enjoying it once again i repeat it's a shame you lot didn't feel this way about relics back when 85 emypreans came out you know when it actually took a long time and effort to make a relic.

wut? I'm trying to make sense of that, but your lack of punctuation and your bizarre, baseless accusation are kind of preventing it from making much sense.

[newmonkey]

wut? I'm trying to make sense of that, but your lack of punctuation and your bizarre, baseless accusation are kind of preventing it from making much sense.

Typical come back from your kind, you know what im saying is true but you would rather take a dig at my grammer.

Well sucks for you ukon is getting nerfed and it's 12 months to late but least it is better than never.

[Siiri]

I support the nerf as well, they were too overpowered. Now nerf Tasha: Shoha and maybe balance really will be better.

[Theytak]

Typical come back from your kind, you know what im saying is true but you would rather take a dig at my grammer.

Well sucks for you ukon is getting nerfed and it's 12 months to late but least it is better than never.

my kind? I've always been fairly vocal about not liking empyrean weapons, and how they shouldn't overtake relics... haven't I? Do I sound like an ukkowar to you? What are you smoking? Will you share?

[newmonkey]

Well you seem to be in denial of the fact that most of the community on here bascially laughed at relic holders complaints when 85 empyreans were released, i assure you it did happen.

So all i am doing is laughing back at those people now.

[Theytak]

Well you seem to be in denial of the fact that most of the community on here bascially laughed at relic holders complaints when 85 empyreans were released, i assure you it did happen.

So all i am doing is laughing back at those people now.
How do I seem that way at all? I was one of the people who sided with the relic holders... God you're needy for attention. Ah well, I enjoy feeding the internet's needy. If someone doesn't, how can the little trollies grow up and earn their bridge?

[Alhanelem]

I wholeheartedly support the upcoming balancing of Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite and applaud the developers for finally giving attention to this issue. These two WS are ridiculously overpowered and need to be brought into line with other WS in order to keep the game from becoming "Warrior and Monk Fantasy XI"

Also, this.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1484/nelsonmuntzoriginal.jpg

They don't need to nerf WAR and MNK (and even PUP) to achieve balance. They need to bring the other jobs up to the same level. This is level 99! WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL MORE POWERFUL NOW! But we don't really. They're basically making level 99 power feel exactly the same as level 75 power. Hell, in a relative sense, I think I feel weaker now than I did then!

The devs talked about damage inflation. Damage is SUPPOSED to inflate when you get to higher levels! But the monsters gain more HP too, so it's balanced... Nerfing new weapon skills such that the old ones are still the best is stupid. Nerfing new job abilities makes giving them in the first place pointless.

It's a real simple situation. Nerfing is a negative approach and makes players affected by the nerf unhappy. By comparison, buffs to other jobs make lots of players happy, doesn't really make many people unhappy, and th e whole general vibe from the players in the game is more positive. why not do the thing that makes everyone happy instead of the thing that pisses some people off?

[Theytak]

They don't need to nerf WAR and MNK (and even PUP) to achieve balance. They need to bring the other jobs up to the same level. This is level 99! WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL MORE POWERFUL NOW! But we don't really. They're basically making level 99 power feel exactly the same as level 75 power. Hell, in a relative sense, I think I feel weaker now than I did then!

The devs talked about damage inflation. Damage is SUPPOSED to inflate when you get to higher levels! But the monsters gain more HP too, so it's balanced... Nerfing new weapon skills such that the old ones are still the best is stupid. Nerfing new job abilities makes giving them in the first place pointless.

It's a real simple situation. Nerfing is a negative approach and makes players affected by the nerf unhappy. By comparison, buffs to other jobs make lots of players happy, doesn't really make many people unhappy, and th e whole general vibe from the players in the game is more positive. why not do the thing that makes everyone happy instead of the thing that pisses some people off?
stop including pup. It's not a pup nerf. The only reason pups with verethragna use VS is because of aftermath. Stringing Pummel is just as strong as VS is now, so even if they nerf VS to kingdom come, pup won't really feel it.

[Alhanelem]

stop including pup. It's not a pup nerf. The only reason pups with verethragna use VS is because of aftermath. Stringing Pummel is just as strong as VS is now, so even if they nerf VS to kingdom come, pup won't really feel it.
Actually, you dont even need the aftermath for it to be worth it. You can solo light easily with two smites using the automaton's TP or follow the automaton to do it. If two smites don't kill it, light will.

[Theytak]

Actually, you dont even need the aftermath for it to be worth it. You can solo light easily with two smites using the automaton's TP or follow the automaton to do it. If two smites don't kill it, light will.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what you're describing, but I'm just getting static. I think I've probably reached a stopping point for today's forum shenanigans....

[Hextitan]

I don't understand why relic holders are happy over this....uh, this doesn't make you any stronger, and the nerf would have to be pretty monumental for it to put you anywhere near the top again.

Basically it seems like you're happy others got shafted like you did, which makes no sense. Be happy if you get a buff, or catch a break with the 99 trials. This crabs-in-a-barrel mentality makes you seem immature and petty as hell.

[Atomic_Skull]

delicious tears

I love how people are trying to justify 2 jobs being so good by such a huge margin that they basically render every other DD job obsolete except for procs.


my kind? I've always been fairly vocal about not liking empyrean weapons, and how they shouldn't overtake relics... haven't I? Do I sound like an ukkowar to you? What are you smoking? Will you share?

I'm pretty sure he means galkas.

[Dart]

People are really overreacting, but also given tanaka's track record they may have a reason too. However, until we know the exact details of just how they're nerfing both ws we can only speculate (and let the tear's flow!).

In all seriousness, and I'm sure that I'll get flamed for this, but something had to be done. I've always been a proponent of balance via buffing other jobs, but that isn't the way this is going and this is how it's going to be. Still with another crit attack JT for war I still believe that war will continue to be the premier dd in the game, It just won't win by such a huge margin.

[Alhanelem]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what you're describing, but I'm just getting static. I think I've probably reached a stopping point for today's forum shenanigans....
I don't know how to reply to this without being insulting. Maybe you've forgotten about skillchains or something, and the fact that you most certainly can't double light with Pummel.

This aside form the fact that Smite consistently outperforms Pummel, at least when used by myself. I can't speak for anyone else. Sure, I could be doing something wrong, but for whatever conditions I'm using them under, it holds true.


I love how people are trying to justify 2 jobs being so good by such a huge margin that they basically render every other DD job obsolete except for procs.We're (or at least I'm) not trying to justify it. We're saying fix the problem by making the other jobs better, not by making WAR, MNK and to a slight degree PUP worse.

[Rohelius]

OH no now that i'm nerfed it will take my Warrior and my mule White Mage 15 minutes instead of 10 to kill everything and their parents in Abyssea!!!!!

http://solodialogue.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/crying-baby-cartoon.jpg?w=125&h=150

[FrankReynolds]

OH no now that i'm nerfed it will take my Warrior and my mule White Mage 15 minutes instead of 10 to kill everything and their parents in Abyssea!!!!!

http://solodialogue.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/crying-baby-cartoon.jpg?w=125&h=150

I like your style. I think they should apply this sort of problem solving to more things in life. Like when I go out to dinner, and my friends food is good, but mine sucks. I don't want to wait for the waiter to bring me new food. It would be way easier if he could just spit in my friends food. That way he doesn't have to deal with getting me good food and I get to have food just as good as my friends food. That's just the kind of guy I am. I really don't care about getting what I paid for, as long as the guy next to me doesn't have it any better.

[Staren]

This is really senseless since it should be a full on community versus the dev stand. We need to keep from going backwards because the VWNM mobs are NOT going backwards in difficulty they're only getting stronger. Alot of people have moved on from abyssea at this point and are redoing old content. Currently monk tanking and DD'ing alot of the content for the mythic weapon has been very useful and efficient and makes older content MORE ACCESSIBLE for players to do in SMALLER GROUPS since linkshells were KILLED in abyssea. I saw that I had 3-4 good friends and I stuck with them I found out there were several people just there for gear and several of those even worse to find out didnt know how to play their jobs outside of pressing macro's and being told what to do in Dynamis. We need to stop these retarded nerfs on anything and force them to bring the jobs up to par. Just because they nerf MNK and WAR doesnt mean I'm going to go level DRK, DRG, BST, PUP, NIN, DNC, RDM, BRD, RNG, or SCH. It means I may actually lose interest in the game if the nerf is too hard. I don't want anyone who's put effort into a job or gear to ever move backwards especially with the introduction of harder and harder content. We need all jobs at full capacity for better strategy development and ability to LOW MAN NEW ENDGAME. If it comes to the point that a DRG is better in one case than my MNK I may be tempted to level and gear it. But it wont EVER be my MNK got nerfed so I'm going to level and gear and equally or even more crappy job for the situation. We're at 99 now and some jobs didnt get anything but a nerf from 90-99. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE and its not going Beyond Infinite or breaking new game its slapping a new number on something and making it worse. SCREW THAT. As a community we need to band together and put a stop to bullshit like this at once.

[Xellith]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stop nerfing jobs. Start updating jobs.

[Insaniac]

People with sad lives enjoy seeing other people get upset. There's always gonna be 1 or 2 or 50. Nerfs are dumb but realistically they couldn't make every DD job as strong as WAR or mobs would just turn to jelly but waiting a full year before they did anything and crapping on some peoples 3 month 200mil investment is much worse than making easy fights slightly easier. Attacking a minority of 2 jobs because the dev team is incompetent is bullshit. If they wanted to nerf WAR and MNK it should have been global nerfs to the job and not nerfs focused on the minority of players that put more work into them.

One thing I find funny about the Blood Rage nerf and their "we will enhance critical attack bonus" comment is that it actually hurts other DDs more than it hurts WAR. Blood rage averages out to a 4% increase in crit damage for the entire party but Crit attack bonus III is a 3% bonus for only the war. Did they not think of this?

[Atomic_Skull]

THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE

It sure is acceptable to me. WAR tears are delicious.

[saevel]

It's not about hurting other jobs, do not ever as player base allow yourselves to be turned against each other. It's that instead of buffing jobs SE is now nerfing them. This is a BAD thing as for awhile they've been buffing many jobs, and yes some more then others. If this was the old abyssea SE then I wouldn't think anything of it. But with this being Tanaka and crew, it's just the beginning. This will be the smallest nerf they do, the next batch will be much worse.

For example, take Cure V.

Right now many jobs feel that WHM is the only healer because it was Cure V. To allow more jobs to be healers SE has to buff their healing potential. OR ... they can nerf Cure V into the ground and kill two birds with one stone. Making other jobs more *viable* and making Cure VI more *useful* since V wouldn't be worth casting.

As retarded and brain dead as that is, THAT is how SE is thinking now.

[Cursed]

Tanaka - you seem to have a plan. I seem to get it.
If you're not going to go down in history as a game developer that introduced great historical developments, you're going to go down in history as the worst most hated game developer.
Rather rule in hell than serve in heaven eh Tanaka?

[FrankReynolds]

Tanaka - you seem to have a plan. I seem to get it.
If you're not going to go down in history as a game developer that introduced great historical developments, you're going to go down in history as the worst most hated game developer.
Rather rule in hell than serve in heaven eh Tanaka?


Tanaka was listening to this when he left FFXIV.

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/j/artist-jedi-mind-tricks/album-servants-in-heaven-kings-in-hell/cd-cover.jpg

[Neofire]

I don't understand why relic holders are happy over this....uh, this doesn't make you any stronger, and the nerf would have to be pretty monumental for it to put you anywhere near the top again.

Basically it seems like you're happy others got shafted like you did, which makes no sense. Be happy if you get a buff, or catch a break with the 99 trials. This crabs-in-a-barrel mentality makes you seem immature and petty as hell. This, someone being happy over this just childish. Delight from someone elsws pain is ulgy.

[Chriscoffey]

This, someone being happy over this just childish. Delight from someone elsws pain is ulgy.
I think it's more to the fact relic holders get a kick out of empyrean people talking down on them how powerful their emp. were and relic were "outdated" content to move on then those same people are getting a slight nerf. I wouldn't call it happiness more like karma.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You have the stupidest definition of karma ever.

Just because one group feels misery does not give you the right to wish misery on another group (and instead of say, asking for buffs, you're happy someone else got nerfed says volumes). But misery loves company now doesn't it.

[newmonkey]

You write that as if relic holders didn't ask for buffs and were laughed at by the empyrean crowd. It's nice to have a little payback and any nerf to ukkos fury puts bravura closer to it.

[Khajit]

I don't know how to reply to this without being insulting. Maybe you've forgotten about skillchains or something, and the fact that you most certainly can't double light with Pummel.

This aside form the fact that Smite consistently outperforms Pummel, at least when used by myself. I can't speak for anyone else. Sure, I could be doing something wrong, but for whatever conditions I'm using them under, it holds true.

We're (or at least I'm) not trying to justify it. We're saying fix the problem by making the other jobs better, not by making WAR, MNK and to a slight degree PUP worse.

Clearly it went over your head. He's insinuating that he cant wrap his head around how anyone could get a thought process off that so ridiculously stupid as what you said. Skillchaining for damage died out years ago. Maneuvers nerf the overall damage because the pup is stuck with ja delay which reduces their damage while the puppet cant make up for what was lost.

[FrankReynolds]

You write that as if relic holders didn't ask for buffs and were laughed at by the empyrean crowd. It's nice to have a little payback and any nerf to ukkos fury puts bravura closer to it.

Who are you paying back dummy? I didn't post that stuff. I doubt that most empy holders have ever even bothered to post at all.

[Chriscoffey]

What speaks volumes is that i don't care if this game went back to 04 standards or was easy as pie to play anymore contrary to your beliefs about misery on my end of the playing stick.

[Rohelius]

I like your style. I think they should apply this sort of problem solving to more things in life. Like when I go out to dinner, and my friends food is good, but mine sucks. I don't want to wait for the waiter to bring me new food. It would be way easier if he could just spit in my friends food. That way he doesn't have to deal with getting me good food and I get to have food just as good as my friends food. That's just the kind of guy I am. I really don't care about getting what I paid for, as long as the guy next to me doesn't have it any better.

Your comparing game coding with cooking, THAT is the kinda guy you are.

And all of you hipocrites saying they should buff all other jobs like warriors now, where the F have you been for the last year!????????
So you were fine with war being above other DD for a year, but now they knock it down a SMALL peg and you want the comunity behind you?

I still remember when they nerfed haste cap for drk and you guys were nothing but smiles so here's that same bad taste in your mouth deal with it like drks did, because guess what? They didn't quit because they actually love the job for being that job not because its the new easy
button in everything.
Stick with your job if you really love it like you say you do thru the good and the bad, and good luck getting the comunity behind you just by pretending to advocate buffs for everyone....

Drk is just one example of nerfed jobs there's also rng. Mnk hasn't gotten anything good in a long time and now they nerfed too.

[Chriscoffey]

Your comparing game coding with cooking, THAT is the kinda guy you are.

And all of you hipocrites saying they should buff all other jobs like warriors now, where the F have you been for the last year!????????
So you were fine with war being above other DD for a year, but now they knock it down a SMALL peg and you want the comunity behind you?

I still remember when they nerfed haste cap for drk and you guys were nothing but smiles so here's that same bad taste in your mouth deal with it like drks did because guess what? They didn't quit because they actually love the job for being that job not because its the new easy
button in everything.
Stick with your job if you really love it like you say you do thru the good and the bad, and good luck getting the comunity behind you just by pretending to advocate buff for everyone....

Drk is just one exaample of nerffed jobs there's also rng. Mnk hasn't gotten anything good in a long time and now they nerfed too.
None of these people get it honestly. They are the ones that go around telling people to STFU and /emo off yet if their particular job/weapon gets adjusted down they go off the fucking hinges. Like i said before cry me a fucking river who gives a damn I sure as hell don't and I have warrior its a minor adjustment to say the least.

[newmonkey]

Who are you paying back dummy? I didn't post that stuff. I doubt that most empy holders have ever even bothered to post at all.

Dummy you say! You need to pick yours up mate you spat it out over a tiny little ukkos fury nerf whcih anyone with half a brain cell seen coming a long time ago.

Inbred little hill billy.

[newmonkey]

None of these people get it honestly. They are the ones that go around telling people to STFU and /emo off yet if their particular job/weapon gets adjusted down they go off the fucking hinges. Like i said before cry me a fucking river who gives a damn I sure as hell don't and I have warrior its a minor adjustment to say the least.

Very well said Chris.

[tyrantsyn]

I don't like these suggested adjustment. They are not what we were told was going to happen month's ago. And i'm having a hard time finding the word's fun and enjoyment going hand in hand with balance. If this is what getting taking away from us, wth are we getting in return? Wheres the supposed ability to change weapon damage type on the fly? If that idea was abandon can we at least get one of those niffy "At the moment we have no plans to go forward with said idea or we can't find a balance way to implement this idea at this time? I mean why are you just throwing nerfs at us. There's nothing fun or enjoyable about nerf's. It just makes ppl frustrated and upset. Is balance going to pay the bills or a happy player base?

[FrankReynolds]

Your comparing game coding with cooking, THAT is the kinda guy you are.

No, I was comparing you with a stupid animal, and it fit perfectly.


And all of you hipocrites saying they should buff all other jobs like warriors now, where the F have you been for the last year!????????

So you were fine with war being above other DD for a year, but now they knock it down a SMALL peg and you want the comunity behind you?

I still remember when they nerfed haste cap for drk and you guys were nothing but smiles so here's that same bad taste in your mouth deal with it like drks did because guess what? They didn't quit because they actually love the job for being that job not because its the new easy
button in everything.

Stick with your job if you really love it like you say you do thru the good and the bad, and good luck getting the comunity behind you just by pretending to advocate buff for everyone....

Drk is just one exaample of nerffed jobs there's also rng. Mnk hasn't gotten anything good in a long time and now they nerfed too.


I don't have Ukkon, or even 99 war. Figure out who your mad at, and be happy when SE nerfs that guy specifically. Don't go wishing ill will on a group of people much larger than the group that caused your horribly misguided anger in the first place.

Every job has at some point or another received some sort of a nerf, and every time it happens, there are thousands of people who are sad and / or angry about it, and a few confused dumb-asses who are happy because that's the job that some guy they don't like plays. You get no victory. Whatever job you prefer over war is still exactly the same as it was before. Try coming up with a way to get them to buff your job. I may want to play that job some day too, and your not helping your cause here.

[newmonkey]

I don't like these suggested adjustment. They are not what we were told was going to happen month's ago. And i'm having a hard time finding the word's fun and enjoyment going hand in hand with balance. If this is what getting taking away from us, wth are we getting in return? Wheres the supposed ability to change weapon damage type on the fly? If that idea was abandon can we at least get one of those niffy "At the moment we have no plans to go forward with said idea or we can't find a balance way to implement this idea at this time? I mean why are you just throwing nerfs at us. There's nothing fun or enjoyable about nerf's. It just makes ppl frustrated and upset. Is balance going to pay the bills or a happy player base?

You big fool for every little cry baby war there is a handfull of other jobs happy about it, deal with it move on.

I swear you little morons forget ukonvasara still has odd aftermath, the ws was hugely overpowered you must be blind to not have noticed it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You write that as if relic holders didn't ask for buffs and were laughed at by the empyrean crowd. It's nice to have a little payback and any nerf to ukkos fury puts bravura closer to it.

Not once have I said I don't think relics deserved buffs, in fact you haven't noticed SE HAS been giving relic buffs... What you should be asking for is buffs to weaker relic WS and better aftermaths. All nerfs are going to do is bring everyone down, not up.

[FrankReynolds]

Pretty sure hes deeply hurt been called a animal by a typing monkey.

Listen pal go fuck yourself and jump off a bridge and do the world a favour you moron.

WHen logic fails, get the thread locked. Good job.

[Cursed]

How retarded are the people supporting nerfs, instead of arguing for buffs?
When your Camry (the car) gets its ass beat by a Porsche (another car) you don't write a letter to Porsche and say "you design nice cars, I want you to stop it because my peice of shit Camry can't keep up"

what are you kids smoking... where are your parents, srsly I wanna have a word with them, wtf are they teaching you?
You kids need to smarten the hell up, My pension is depending on it God damn it!

[newmonkey]

Logic you say were is your logic to think that ukons ws was not hugely overpowered. I don't agree with the bloodrage nerf at all that is just stupid but the ws was way way way overpowered and from what people have said its only been nerfed by 9%.

[ldavion]

I have been plating FFXI from it was released in NA, i have two caracters, one of which i leveled 9 jobs to include war must agree, nothing much have been done for that job for several updates now. Second i have BST is one of my favorite jobs in this game that job has always been on the crappy list of updates, SE interfuce new pets and new weapon skill, which are useless. i have a EMP axe that was not worth the time unlocking because i could buy an axe on AH the does the same thing. i am not a big fan of the fancy stuff but if you are going to create something that one has to work hard for in the game then least u can do is make it worth the players time. and if u are going to create new pets here is a hint, when you have dipper which is lower that gooey ot he new turtle u interduce in the last update. make the new pet stronger.

[Staren]

Do relics deserve buffs? Yes. Are relics easy to get now? Yes. I hope they do buff and balance them out with Empys. I think they should really rethink Relics/Mythics/Empys and make it so each job has a fair balanced choice in all of them. I've been saying since day 1 SE never thought about mages with they made relics or empyreans. So yeah SE's screwed up and Relics should be reasonably compared to empys and last i checked there were still a few relics that beat empys. Arguing over relics and empys in this thread is not the issue. SE's needed to balance relic/empys/mythics for a while. The real issue here is SE is screwing over the populace in general by lowering the dps we can put out. This isn't going to fix any of the crappy jobs and its not going to make the fights more enjoyable. So what is there to enjoy out of this other than the schadenfreude of it. If you're here getting off on that good for you God bless and enjoy your life whose existence hangs off the misery of a group of people and in the end the collective as a whole. But for those of us who have created a world that is usable post abyssea we do not want to go back to helping gimps who hit macro's get gear in linkshells and SE needs to realize trying to force us back into that is going to force us out of the game. Trying to remove our ability to lowman is not making the game more fun or making people want to play more. This is a no win situation.

[Morier]

Do relics deserve buffs? Yes. Are relics easy to get now? Yes.
Where is your relic then?

[Rohelius]

No, I was comparing you with a stupid animal, and it fit perfectly.

So I make good valid points and that's how you respond? Profane name calling? Are you a kid, really?
Its like talking to a 5 year old who covers his ears screamming "your a cow!!" In response.

Hey why don't you add your little comment to that funny sig of yours, because "it fits perfectly."
And if you don't have the job leveled and never knew what it can do then I'm done with you child.

[Staren]

Where is your relic then?

They're in the 300 million gil worth of alexandrite on our mule from all the currency we've sold to fund a mythic because why go for an easy relic when mythics still have status. Seriously lol beasts can solo relics in 3 months without breaking a sweat. I do dyna with 3 ppl and make 350-500 coins a run its not that hard.

[Cursed]

They're in the 300 million gil worth of alexandrite on our mule from all the currency we've sold to fund a mythic because why go for an easy relic when mythics still have status. Seriously lol beasts can solo relics in 3 months without breaking a sweat. I do dyna with 3 ppl and make 350-500 coins a run its not that hard.
Agreed. The amount of Aegis's has at least tripled in the last 6 months.

[Morier]

They're in the 300 million gil worth of alexandrite on our mule from all the currency we've sold to fund a mythic because why go for an easy relic when mythics still have status. Seriously lol beasts can solo relics in 3 months without breaking a sweat. I do dyna with 3 ppl and make 350-500 coins a run its not that hard.
Where is your relic then?

[Staren]

Where is your relic then?

Again are you retarded? 300 million gil = 2 relics worth of farming. Mythics cost 450 million to 600 million gil which we will have finished in the next month to two months. For someone who has every job 95+ and 2 empy's you really come off as slow did you abby burn them and rely on an ls to build them? Anyone with a bit of sense and ability to play this game knows what I meant when I said that. I could have bought two relics at this point and we're only 2/3 of the way done with alexandrite. If I wanted a relic I'd have two. I care more about the mythic at this point that doesnt mean the relics any harder to get just because I'm choosing a MUCH HARDER weapon to build than the relic your anal retentive focus has latched on to. Seriously did school let out early this year?

[tyrantsyn]

You big fool for every little cry baby war there is a handfull of other jobs happy about it, deal with it move on.

I swear you little morons forget ukonvasara still has odd aftermath, the ws was hugely overpowered you must be blind to not have noticed it.

I'm here posting my displeasure for the nerf. Not to feed little sorry trolls that need someone to argue with them. If you like the nerf so much go make a thread for it and just go away.

[FrankReynolds]

So I make good valid points and that's how you respond? Profane name calling? Are you a kid, really?
Its like talking to a 5 year old who covers his ears screamming "your a cow!!" In response.

Hey why don't you add your little comment to that funny sig of yours, because "it fits perfectly."
And if you don't have the job leveled and never knew what it can do then I'm done with you child.

Stop acting like a crab in a pot if you don't want to be compared to one.

You didn't make good valid points. You tried to ignore the point that was demonstrated by the analogy and instead focus on the animal in it. I simply followed your lead.

I didn't call you a crab. I made a comparison between your behavior and that of a crabs. There was no name calling (unless you are in fact a crab. I did call crabs stupid.). The moral of that story is that if crabs are dumb for wanting to screw each other over instead of working together, and you want to screw everyone over then....ah never mind, I know you figured it out the first time. sorry for hurting your feelings.

As far as playing war, I have it leveled on another character that I don't play anymore and NOT playing it is a major factor in why I think nerfs are bad. I am not that happy about how several of the jobs that I do play are performing. Nerfing war instead of Buffing those jobs actually means that I'm getting screwed just like the Wars. No winners. Everyone loses.

[Rohelius]

Stop acting like a crab in a pot if you don't want to be compared to one.

You didn't make good valid points. You tried to ignore the point that was demonstrated by the analogy and instead focus on the animal in it. I simply followed your lead.

I didn't call you a crab. I made a comparison between your behavior and that of a crabs. There was no name calling (unless you are in fact a crab. I did call crabs stupid.). The moral of that story is that if crabs are dumb for wanting to screw each other over instead of working together, and you want to screw everyone over then....ah never mind, I know you figured it out the first time. sorry for hurting your feelings.

As far as playing war, I have it leveled on another character that I don't play anymore and NOT playing it is a major factor in why I think nerfs are bad. I am not that happy about how several of the jobs that I do play are performing. Nerfing war instead of Buffing those jobs actually means that I'm getting screwed just like the Wars. No winners. Everyone loses.

Crab analogy? What's with you and food really lol?
I said I was done with you so stop trying to come out on top, there's no higher ground after you call someone a stupid animal keep lowering yourself and talking out the side of your mouth.
What your basically saying is that everything should be overpowered. That's not good game design if that's the case then let's give every job Tachi: Shoha like weapon skills since clearly there's nothing wrong with it if i use your logic, and its the other jobs that need to be doing 7k ws every minute.

What YOU don't understand is that nobody is having trouble understanding your stupid analogys captain obvious.

Brews were made for you people seems like.

[Morier]

Again are you retarded? 300 million gil = 2 relics worth of farming. Mythics cost 450 million to 600 million gil which we will have finished in the next month to two months. For someone who has every job 95+ and 2 empy's you really come off as slow did you abby burn them and rely on an ls to build them? Anyone with a bit of sense and ability to play this game knows what I meant when I said that. I could have bought two relics at this point and we're only 2/3 of the way done with alexandrite. If I wanted a relic I'd have two. I care more about the mythic at this point that doesnt mean the relics any harder to get just because I'm choosing a MUCH HARDER weapon to build than the relic your anal retentive focus has latched on to. Seriously did school let out early this year?
So again, where is your relic?

[FrankReynolds]

Crab analogy? What's with you and food really lol?
I said I was done with you so stop trying to come out on top, there's no higher ground after you call someone a stupid animal keep lowering yourself and talking out the side of your mouth.
What your basically saying is that everything should be overpowered. That's not good game design if that's the case then let's give every job Tachi: Shoha like weapon skills since clearly there's nothing wrong with it if i use your logic, and its the other jobs that need to be doing 7k ws every minute.
Brews were made for you people seems like.

First I lol'ed.... then...


There already tons of WS that can do 7k damage in the situation that that screenshot your referring to was taken in. You don't even know why your mad at wars sams and monks. Your just like: "Someone should have to pay!!!!"

Oh, and you know I was describing living breathing crabs right? Not like boiled cracked crab dipped in butter. Maybe you should go eat something and then come back and re-read the analogy. It was pretty simple. Everyone else understood it.

[Rohelius]

I'm a warrior and mnk why would I be mad at my jobs?
You keep saying I'm mad and angry but I'm really not and I don't need to type "lol" in my sentences to make you angry.
Please just shut up kid your just making baseless asumptions at this point.

Also at this point I'm the one who feels like the crab in the bucket being pulled down by the other dumb comversation crab.

[Kimble]

Honestly...

When relic holders were crying about emps being better than relics, the reason they were being told to STFU because you know what they were doing?

"waaah, emps are to strong, make then weaker so my relic is top!"

And you know what people told them?

"No, how about they leave emps alone, and instead buff relics to be better"

[Rohelius]

Well that's a good point kimble, but a empy is just so much more easy to obtain then relic.

Relic will be around 150m and 3-4 months of hardcore investment of time.

Mithics a lot more gil then relic 400m+..? And a lot of time too.

Empyrians one week give or take a day or two with LS help.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm a warrior and mnk why would I be mad at my jobs?
You keep saying I'm mad and angry but I'm really not and I don't need to type "lol" in my sentences to make you angry.
Please just shut up kid your just making baseless asumptions at this point.

Also at this point I'm the one who feels like the crab in the bucket being pulled down by the other dumb comversation crab.

you posted this:

OH no now that i'm nerfed it will take my Warrior and my mule White Mage 15 minutes instead of 10 to kill everything and their parents in Abyssea!!!!!

and then felt disrespected because the response was not positive. I don't really know why you would say things like that about your own jobs either. So far the summary of my argument has been that nerfs are bad and that they should at least finish buffing other jobs before they even consider nerfs. So far your argument has been that I said crab. As far as the kid thing goes. Think hard about how old this game is and ask yourself what the odds are that anyone still playing it is actually a kid.

[Rohelius]

There's this little thing we adults use sometimes called sarcasm, its like a funny way of saying things will be okay when used in that context.

[Kimble]

Talking down to people generally doesn't help anything you are trying to say.

[Staren]

So again, where is your relic?

Please make your point instead of trolling else if you are a troll God bless and keep looking like an idiot. I don't know where you get off thinking a relic is hard. But then again there are people who think empyreans are serious business to get too.

[FrankReynolds]

There's this little thing we adults use sometimes called sarcasm, its like a funny way of saying things will be okay when used in that context.

I caught the sarcasm. I also caught that it was an attempt to distract from your lack of any actual argument and that the reason you keep using it is because you are wrong. You came in here to tell everyone that they don't deserve what they have, and that you are glad that some of it is being taken away. All the sarcasm in the world isn't gonna fix that. SE should be looking at adding all the features and tweaks they claimed to have in the pipe instead of worrying about nerfing jobs. The current power of war monk sam w/e isn't allowing players to beat anything that they couldn't beat without them. There is still plenty of time for them to gear new events / updates toward powerful jobs, instead of gearing jobs towards the event.

Nerfing jobs takes away from peoples enjoyment who play those jobs. It doesn't actually make any other job any better, and it doesn't make anything in the game any harder. There's nothing in the game right now where winning hinges on the things they are messing with. They could easily scale difficulty of new content to fit the current power level of war etc. without nerfing it.

[kingfury]

So feedback... uhh... No Thanks. Bad idea. Try something better. Add more damaging power to other weak weapon skills instead. Don't move forward with this bad idea. Have another meeting and suggest something more intuitive. Stop trying to make the player's abilities/weapon skills weaker instead of stronger for LVL friggin 99.... Aaannnndd, I think that about covers it... Yeah.

Thank you.

[Morier]

Please make your point instead of trolling else if you are a troll God bless and keep looking like an idiot. I don't know where you get off thinking a relic is hard. But then again there are people who think empyreans are serious business to get too.
I never said it was hard at all. Blind speculation and assumptions are fun.Where is your relic again?

[Staren]

Where's your lvl 100 woodworking or unlocked synergy? I mean if we're going to make random arguments I don't have a relic, if I needed one I'd make one in a month or two. I'm done feeding the troll though you can keep fixating on this but if you cant see the fact that farming 300 million gil is just as much as making 2 relics I can't help you. It's easy to make blind speculations about you when you're unable to hold discourse and are a broken record I'd not be surprised if you're still in high school and have nothing better to do with your life. Also I'll point out you've still managed to avoid making any point to validate your existence in this thread.

[Rohelius]

I caught the sarcasm. I also caught that it was an attempt to distract from your lack of any actual argument and that the reason you keep using it is because you are wrong.
The argument is that it's a minor nerf that wont change much what war can do. And like i said before, If you had warrior invested half as much as a main warrior maybe you would know this by now. get it?


You came in here to tell everyone that they don't deserve what they have, and that you are glad that some of it is being taken away.
I said they don't deserve what they have? When did i say that? Please don't start putting words into my mouth just to justify your own misplaced sense of self righteousness towards the nerfing issue.

1- I said it wont affect warrior a whole lot, get that thru your thick head already...

2- I also said to those who keep asking the community to be behind them to stop being hypocrites (why?) because they never complained about the other jobs nerfs and lack of balance with them until the nerf bat hit them.



All the sarcasm in the world isn't gonna fix that.
Oh i don't know about that, at first i thought the sky was falling like you. But then i read how the nerf was gonna affect my warrior job ability that is only up for 30 seconds and i let out a sigh of relief since Ukkos is not gonna suddenly become useless and do 2k dmg only.


SE should be looking at adding all the features and tweaks they claimed to have in the pipe instead of worrying about nerfing jobs.
Yes they should, but those things they said they would add still wouldn't make them come close to the warrior and monk output, Its not like they read the forums and say "hey that's a good idea lets give everyone what they ask for on their respective job forums that will bring balance!.


The current power of war monk sam w/e isn't allowing players to beat anything that they couldn't beat without them.
Wait you have been to Abyssea right?

Warrior = Procs for Zone Boss pop KI, Empyrian weapon NM pop KI, Atmas that's not in demand right?
Warrior will still be needed for all of the above no matter what little nerf it gets, and will duo it all with a whm still!

Monk= Give me a DPS and my monk can destroy it, simple as that. VS i hate to see nerffed really because as monk i haven't seen many things come our way other then our DPS and a 2hr that kicks ass lvl 1-99.


There is still plenty of time for them to gear new events / updates toward powerful jobs, instead of gearing jobs towards the event.
I'm going to quote someone else in a past comment "I don't want to play Warrior and monk Fantasy 11..."


Nerfing jobs takes away from peoples enjoyment who play those jobs.

Cpt. Obvious strikes again! Yes, it does i agree but it was to be expected just like EVERYONE knew the haste cap was gonna be nerffed for the Dark Knights 30 seconds of fame, If they go back on this then dammit i want my 93.3% haste back. Would you support me on that too?


It doesn't actually make any other job any better
Cpt. Obvious!


and it doesn't make anything in the game any harder.
That's what i have been trying to tell you...........................................................................



They could easily scale difficulty of new content to fit the current power level of war etc. without nerfing it.
Yeah they could do that if they wanted to force everyone to take warrior to every event as opposed to idk every other DD in the game.....

[Kimble]

Actually, if you are getting any kind of haste, Hundred fists is very lack luster.

[Vold]

You know everytime I think of the latest nerf whether it be merit WSs or Empyrean WSs or restraint or blood rage or other JAs or VW or VW drop rates or lv95/99 requirements for weapons and so on, I can't help but think that if they knew they could get away with it without a massive exodus of players, they'd probably include this video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ with each announcement and like probably half of you already know what you're going to see by clicking that link but that's okay because you and the other 50% will agree that yeah, yeah what I'm saying is pretty flipping true.

[FrankReynolds]

The argument is that it's a minor nerf that wont change much what war can do. And like i said before, If you had warrior invested half as much as a main warrior maybe you would know this by now. get it?

Wrong. It won't change what players can do. It will change what war can do. The same can be said of you though. If they remove you from the game, Everyone else can still beat all the new VNMs, so I guess it's cool if they remove you right? Sounds good.



I said they don't deserve what they have? When did i say that? Please don't start putting words into my mouth just to justify your own misplaced sense of self righteousness towards the nerfing issue.


Hmmm, this sounds a lot like a bitter guy who thinks other people shouldn't have his toys:


so here's that same bad taste in your mouth deal with it like drks did because guess what? They didn't quit because they actually love the job for being that job not because its the new easy
button in everything.



1- I said it wont affect warrior a whole lot, get that thru your thick head already...

Since it won't affect them a whole lot, I guess the point is just to piss them off?


2- I also said to those who keep asking the community to be behind them to stop being hypocrites (why?) because they never complained about the other jobs nerfs and lack of balance with them until the nerf bat hit them.

You've been following me since 2005 and checking up on my opinions of previous nerfs? I feel so flattered. Oh wait, you were just venting your misguided rage on unsuspecting bystanders. I'm sorry you felt all alone like nobody cared when other jobs got nerfed. Trust me. Lots of people didn't like it.


Oh i don't know about that, at first i thought the sky was falling like you. But then i read how the nerf was gonna affect my warrior job ability that is only up for 30 seconds and i let out a sigh of relief since Ukkos is not gonna suddenly become useless and do 2k dmg only.

Yes, you went: "wait this is more of a nerf to my party than me? ok it's fine.". This is either a nerf that will limit the damage and affect warriors performance to the point that it will be a benefit to other jobs, or it is not a nerf at all and thus should not be done at all. make up your mind. You keep saying people are crying over nothing, but really it's one of two things.

A) this nerf doesn't do much, and therefore shouldn't be done.
B) this nerf changes a lot, and therefore is in fact a very bad thing for the people it affects.

In either case, its not going to change other peoples enjoyment of the game. Only people who play war monk and pup, so advocating it is really just announcing your intentions to be a jerk.


Yes they should, but those things they said they would add still wouldn't make them come close to the warrior and monk output, Its not like they read the forums and say "hey that's a good idea lets give everyone what they ask for on their respective job forums that will bring balance!.

Other jobs have other reasons to be included in things. War is a DD. They should be making content that requires more than just war. not nerfing war.


Wait you have been to Abyssea right?

Warrior = Procs for Zone Boss pop KI, Empyrian weapon NM pop KI, Atmas that's not in demand right?
Warrior will still be needed for all of the above no matter what little nerf it gets, and will duo it all with a whm still!

Monk= Give me a DPS and my monk can destroy it, simple as that. VS i hate to see nerffed really because as monk i haven't seen many things come our way other then our DPS and a 2hr that kicks ass lvl 1-99.

You obviously misunderstood that. I can do all of those things without a war or a monk. By nerfing war and monk, I can stiill do all that crap, just with crappier wars and monks. who does that help?


I'm going to quote someone else in a past comment "I don't want to play Warrior and monk Fantasy 11..."

The only way that there will ever be more than a couple popular jobs is if they diversify content so that it requires different jobs for different events, and each event has equal work / reward values, and the gear from each event is equally necessary. As long as the best gear comes from voidwatch, the job that does the best damage will always be the most popular. Making war and monk suck would just turn it into sam fantasy or w/e job is best after they nerf that (they won't).


Cpt. Obvious strikes again! Yes, it does i agree but it was to be expected just like EVERYONE knew the haste cap was gonna be nerffed for the Dark Knights 30 seconds of fame, If they go back on this then dammit i want my 93.3% haste back. Would you support me on that too?

I don't know if they could actually remove the haste cap again with the current spells and gear in the game. But they certainly could have made a change that gave a similar boost in damage. I would love to see dark do better. dark used to be a really cool job, and it has lost some of it's appeal for me lately. It could use some love.



Cpt. Obvious!


That's what i have been trying to tell you...........................................................................


Again, you seem to agree that a nerf is pointless, but you insist that your not just advocating it to be a dick.



Yeah they could do that if they wanted to force everyone to take warrior to every event as opposed to idk every other DD in the game.....

Or they could give other DDS other reasons for being there, like abilities that help them and the war do more damage, or keep others from getting raped, who knows. Its not my job to think of that crap. I pay them to think of it. Which is why I'm pissed when they throw up their hands and go "Aw screw it, I got nothing. Lets just nerf war and go get some sake.".

On a side note, How do I hide portions of a post? I hate when a post takes a whole page.

[Rohelius]

Your post needs some editing and you're being repetitive now...

That's it i'm done with you and your useless nonsense so take the next 3 pages to post what ever you want in response to me because i am not coming back to read it.
There is no point to talking to someone about a job he apparently doesn't know about.
Go level warrior or just go back to the THF forums and QQ some more about DNC out damaging you...

Oh and have a nice life MR. Crab cakes~

[Nala]

That's it i'm done with you and your useless nonsense so take the next 3 pages to post what ever you want in response to me because i am not coming back to read it.

You already said this once before, yet here you are still.

here's the thing, no one else is getting cure V, lolrdm melee, sweet tier IV nu... nvm, everything resists enfeebles and oh btw whm you can have addle while we're at it.

mean while drk's getting scarlet delirium (yeah think the devs were delirious when they thought this one up) and despite the requests for better scythe ws's hello entropy!~

Thf has a whole slew of job abilities that dont really do anything any more, and they've invalidated thier own argument for giving thief subtle blow on the premise that TH is OP, maybe if it boosted lights beyond the cap including the cell bonus not that capping lights has proven to do much for VW drop rates in the first place.

DNC a job severly limited by tp gain and should not have to share timers on all their healing waltz's

hell the emity system still hasnt been touched since level 75 yet due to new abilities, gear, weapon skills and higher levels we have damage inflation... oh wait i got the solution lets "balance" everything so that we do the same damage we did at 75, emity problem solved (for gods sake please dont)

oh hey they finally added new bullets, guess what cor got shafted, the second they finally get around to those salvage gear upgrades O. ingots are going to inflate again. (they are still going to do this right its been how long since they said they would? not to mention they seem to be back pedaling on alot of their promises lately)

point is there are alot of things that need to be "balanced" before they go about nerfing over powered jobs, further more back during the 75 days once they wielded the nerf kraken club (occationally only nerfs once) they get on a roll.

with the recent announcement that abyssea was a epic fail (from dev team stand point) you can expect that they are going to start rolling back alot of things added since. aka your f'n retarded for encouraging them.

[macross]

It's true the community on here bascially laughed at relic holders so im laughing back to you now xD Especailly that dumb Macross i bet he's feeling pretty stupid right now lol.

LOL wut??? I'm a relic owner too you know! Will have 95 yoichi tomorrow.

And no, I really don't care they nerfed Ukko lol. I have all jobs 95-99, I don't just play war. 150m for 95 ukon, or 150m for 95 bravura, still think Ukon comes out ahead even with upheaval.

Now the new best weapon will be mythic gkt, already started it! Can't go wrong with sam.

PS, I have 100 WW and capped synergy too!

Empys can be made in a week easily with an LS helping you. So can relics if everyone goes and solos dynamis and gives you all the coins for a week. Not that much effort.

[Atomic_Skull]

Right now many jobs feel that WHM is the only healer because it was Cure V. To allow more jobs to be healers SE has to buff their healing potential. OR ... they can nerf Cure V into the ground and kill two birds with one stone. Making other jobs more *viable* and making Cure VI more *useful* since V wouldn't be worth casting.


Expect RDM and SCH to cheer that just as much as DD's are cheering the MNK and WAR nerfs now.

[Ritsuka]

Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
I wholeheartedly support the upcoming balancing of Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite and applaud the developers for finally giving attention to this issue. These two WS are ridiculously overpowered and need to be brought into line with other WS in order to keep the game from becoming "Warrior and Monk Fantasy XI"


You applaud them in nerfing instead of fixing the other jobs? That's lame.

they only agree with SE cuz they suck and arnt able to get that weapon skill. I have admit even tho i have Blade: hi mnks ws is i think alot better. I might have to lvl mnk now if im able too that is.

[Ritsuka]

I like your style. I think they should apply this sort of problem solving to more things in life. Like when I go out to dinner, and my friends food is good, but mine sucks. I don't want to wait for the waiter to bring me new food. It would be way easier if he could just spit in my friends food. That way he doesn't have to deal with getting me good food and I get to have food just as good as my friends food. That's just the kind of guy I am. I really don't care about getting what I paid for, as long as the guy next to me doesn't have it any better.

lol your nasty XD

[Nala]

i liked the 3 deflated tires analogy. screw it if you cant have 4 full tires, have 4 flat ones.

[Kimble]

Expect RDM and SCH to cheer that just as much as DD's are cheering the MNK and WAR nerfs now.

Any RDM or SCH that cheers for WHM getting Cure V nerf is an idiot. as a RDM, id MUCH rather they FIX RDM then just gimp WHM so I can be a pink mage again.

For starters, allowing enfeebles to actually matter on HNMs.

Its just really stupid because you know what? All those other DD jobs (thf, nin, etc, DRK and SAM already are good DDs outside of abyssea so I dunno what they are bitching about) are still going to be shitty DDs even with this nerf. People will still bring WAR.

[Morier]

Where's your lvl 100 woodworking or unlocked synergy? I mean if we're going to make random arguments I don't have a relic, if I needed one I'd make one in a month or two. I'm done feeding the troll though you can keep fixating on this but if you cant see the fact that farming 300 million gil is just as much as making 2 relics I can't help you. It's easy to make blind speculations about you when you're unable to hold discourse and are a broken record I'd not be surprised if you're still in high school and have nothing better to do with your life. Also I'll point out you've still managed to avoid making any point to validate your existence in this thread.
i never said woodworking is easy/hard. my synergy is 75, but unlike you obviously I don't use 3rd party aps that allow it to be seen.Where is your relic?

[CrAZYVIC]

As samurai and hating you all wars. I dont support the Nerf. I writed this under alchool effects. So dont take this shit too serious

Before i forget STAREN whiriiiiii is yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr relic =P? j/k ^_^

Good luck with your Mythic man. I hope you are making the DRG one.


A little Suggestion For balance the Silly game... This points in my opinion means the balance, nerf dont solve nothing is necesary work and more work for fix the problems.

Make Fudo, Torcleaver, quietus, rudra storm and Camlann's TormenT can critical with 60% chances at 100% TP. Problem solved. Increase the Hi, VS, Ukkos chances to 60% as well.

As little example Atmas RR/VV/AOA.

Fudo Critical

3583 - 4925 Normal
4336 - 6056 Double attack ones
5103 - 7187 Triple attack ones

Yep all other WS damage will look like this too.

Make the Relics and mythics WS critical all them 60% at 100% TP. The same will happen like fudo in the above example

Give DW jobs and H2h jobs a Job ability like "Hasso" With 10% Ja haste <3. Now this jobs will become true Damage per second jobs..

Make the DW jobs and H2h Jobs can Deals double damage on both hands using a empyreal weapon.

Oh man you just Losed your Fucking mind not? If they do this Now the DW,H2H jobs will destroy the DOT of Two hander jobs in a dramatic way... Yeah is the price Two hander jobs WS frecuently and WS damage. dw,h2h JOBS DPS owneage.

Reduce the Tachi Shoha x2 attack to 15% attack boost.

Doing this the game will feel LIKE 99! Not like at lv 75 -_-

Even if i hate you all wars with passion and my evil part is laughing for the nerf. You guys makeme feel like shit all the year. I dont support the nerf ukkos fury. Where is the fun if i can destroy totally a ukovansara war with a Tp bonus Great katana? Nuuu giveme back my rivals the Wars.

Yeah like atomic skull say "WARS TEARS ARE DELICIOUS" But i still need challenges with my sam...

"Licks slowly my lips after taste Wars tears <3"

[Insaniac]

Honestly... what the fuck is wrong with some of you? Because like 8 people bashed relics you are nerdgasming over a nerf that will probably just be the tip of the iceberg. It's really sad that some of you are capable of holding so much hatred for such a stupid stupid reason. One WAR trolled you on a forum and you cry tears of joy over the misfortune of 100s of people? Nerfs in general are crap. Nerfs are even more crap when they happen to things you worked hard for. Try to look at it objectively instead focusing on your hatred for that one dude who said that one mean thing to you that time.

Also on the Catanerf and where everyone was when that happened... These forums didn't exist until 2 years after that happened. You can believe there would have been just as big a shitstorm.

[tyrantsyn]

Honestly... what the fuck is wrong with some of you? Because like 8 people bashed relics you are nerdgasming over a nerf that will probably just be the tip of the iceberg. It's really sad that some of you are capable of holding so much hatred for such a stupid stupid reason. One WAR trolled you on a forum and you cry tears of joy over the misfortune of 100s of people? Nerfs in general are crap. Nerfs are even more crap when they happen to things you worked hard for. Try to look at it objectively instead focusing on your hatred for that one dude who said that one mean thing to you that time.

Also on the Catanerf and where everyone was when that happened... These forums didn't exist until 2 years after that happened. You can believe there would have been just as big a shitstorm.

You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.

[Staren]

i never said woodworking is easy/hard. my synergy is 75, but unlike you obviously I don't use 3rd party aps that allow it to be seen.Where is your relic?

Already answered that question in what you quoted no longer feeding the troll. There's over 2000 players with synergy on their xiah accounts odd how all 2000 must be using 3rd party apps to make that show up. Have a nice winter break from school I hope your teachers didnt give you too much over the break assignments that might keep you from adding more shining posts like these to the forums.

[Insaniac]

You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.



Right. It's clear that the dev team doesn't have our back or sympathize with us in any way so instead of being assholes to each other we could all agree that nerfs are lame and buffs are better. The few vocal people that come on here and support the nerfs just because they have some kind of irrational hatred of WARs or Emps may very well be the thing that makes the devs think they can get away with nerfs and crappy content and those same people could be next in line for the nerf bat.

BTW. The crit rate on Ukko's seems to be 15% now. Down from 30%. Even if you agree with the nerf that seems like overkill.

[Morier]

Already answered that question in what you quoted no longer feeding the troll. There's over 2000 players with synergy on their xiah accounts odd how all 2000 must be using 3rd party apps to make that show up. Have a nice winter break from school I hope your teachers didnt give you too much over the break assignments that might keep you from adding more shining posts like these to the forums.
It requires guildwork. lernurstuffz. So yes they are. I see you are a 13 year old girl that skins her knee over and over constantly crying. Not saying that is a bad way to live for you. One day you will be able to go to school, I hope you grow and thrive into a lovely young woman who doesn't need 40 cats to keep her company.It is ok, you do not want to answer why you don't have a relic, since it would only take like 2 days for you.

I too have 700 million in alex on mules working on 7 mythics at a time such a chore, right? God i love making baseless claims too. It is so fun and makes me feel all gooey inside.

On topic: I am glad these 2 ws are getting a slight nerf, but makes me think they did it to add gear to buff it. Balance as everyone screams lately.

[Staren]

It requires guildwork. lernurstuffz. So yes they are. I see you are a 13 year old girl that skins her knee over and over constantly crying. Not saying that is a bad way to live for you. One day you will be able to go to school, I hope you grow and thrive into a lovely young woman who doesn't need 40 cats to keep her company.It is ok, you do not want to answer why you don't have a relic, since it would only take like 2 days for you.

I too have 700 million in alex on mules working on 7 mythics at a time such a chore, right? God i love making baseless claims too. It is so fun and makes me feel all gooey inside.

On topic: I am glad these 2 ws are getting a slight nerf, but makes me think they did it to add gear to buff it. Balance as everyone screams lately.

Glad it took several posts of goading you to finally get on topic. I am not a girl but I guess if thats what it takes for you to respond on topic on the internet believe what you want, I mean I knew the internet was filled with pedobears xi's no exception. Lols @700mil alex on 7 mules when you could be finished with one already if you knew how alex actually worked for mythics. You have a kannagi and a masamune don't really have to much faith that you're capable of getting anything of actual worth especially when you add on top of that you cant even finish your woodworking skill. I told you before I do not have a relic and I don't want one.

So thanks for getting on topic even if it took you thinking I'm one of the underage girls you see in the hallway that you wish you could bully into submission to actually respond and prove your worth in this thread. I too would love to believe SE will add gear to buff this but I have been around long enough to know that this isn't the SE that will do that.

[Morier]

Glad it took several posts of goading you to finally get on topic. I am not a girl but I guess if thats what it takes for you to respond on topic on the internet believe what you want, I mean I knew the internet was filled with pedobears xi's no exception. Lols @700mil alex on 7 mules when you could be finished with one already if you knew how alex actually worked for mythics. You have a kannagi and a masamune don't really have to much faith that you're capable of getting anything of actual worth especially when you add on top of that you cant even finish your woodworking skill. I told you before I do not have a relic and I don't want one.

So thanks for getting on topic even if it took you thinking I'm one of the underage girls you see in the hallway that you wish you could bully into submission to actually respond and prove your worth in this thread. I too would love to believe SE will add gear to buff this but I have been around long enough to know that this isn't the SE that will do that.

As opposed to the goads you constantly fell for. lolkid. Where is your relic? You are still biting the bait on the hook, must be hungry. Poor little girl wanting an older guy, I am sorry you are not my type, I would want a less needy woman. As far as gear, it was mildly hoping since i am almost done with vere, but ya never know. You are fun!. Where is your relic? Why can't you level jobs? or cap synergy, since u are using guildwork/windower and shows it is at 74/ Sheesh come on!

[Staren]

Why can't you burn more jobs you don't need to use like me? fixed that for you

[Morier]

I have no one. I am ronery. I have to accuse people of things to make me feel good.

My levels are staggered genius. I make sure to cap my skills per level, something you would not understand. Try harder. Not fun anymore. I had such high hopes.

[Staren]

My levels are staggered genius. I make sure to cap my skills per level, something you would not understand. Try harder. Not fun anymore. I had such high hopes.

I wish I could say the same but its hard to even believe you stagger levels with the lack of intelligence in your posts. 700 mil gil of alexandrite instead of 1 mythic and 100mil of alexandrite was the big tell. Then it was back to the high school antics expected from you. You had one shining moment of hope and it died as soon as it came.

[Morier]

I wish I could say the same but its hard to even believe you stagger levels with the lack of intelligence in your posts. 700 mil gil of alexandrite instead of 1 mythic and 100mil of alexandrite was the big tell. Then it was back to the high school antics expected from you. You had one shining moment of hope and it died as soon as it came.
You can see my staggered levels as much as you apparently check my profile. As for the mythic thing, seeing as you cant understand sarcasm it was making a dumb claim as you did. No fun if I have to spell everything out for you. I keep forgetting how young you are and not even in Jr. high. My bad.
One last time, then we can move on to another thread. Where is your relic? So easy to make as you say you should have them all in a month. Where is it? Take care and never forget, Where is your relic? *tosses bait away* Fish has gone bad.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Please stop posting.

[Meyi]

Did they mess with Spirit Taker too? My Staff skill is decently high, yet I'm now wiffing 90% of my Spirit Takers...

[wish12oz]

NVM, to far back.

[loldrg]

Just a suggestion here to the developers, why not give jobs that are native rank A-,A,A+ a 10% WS bonus with the new merit WS. break it in to +2% increases every upgrade(1/5= 2%, 5/5=10% etc or heck go higher, maybe 20% WS bonus.)
That way jobs that can use multiple new merit WS(i.e WAR) dont get the bonus that say a drg would get for using "their" primary weapon. WAR would get a WS bonus to GA, DRG polearm, DRK scythe, etc etc,whm get stheir new awesome WS replacing a lv 60 WS, everyone is happy. the end.

[Nala]

when that inadvertently further boosts shoha?

/sigh ive been a sam for a long time now and i really dont know what to make of shoha as far as how i feel about it, its nice that its strong... but my linkshell helped me put together a masa, yeah doesnt take long i know but when you multiply the total people who were there for me by the amount of actual time spent, thats alot of man hours (or women, we do have a few)

anyways i digress point being, people are now going to bandwagon to sam again... meanwhile my masamune has lost some significance to my worth as a samurai. (with its ftp modifiers its back to the hagun days with GKT save now its called kantonotachi)

[Neisan_Quetz]

Masamune still has some use at least, probably not as much in VW, but there's nothing wrong with Fudo for AM then using shoha on high defense mobs (unless your white damage is pretty nil). For stuff like new Nyzul it will still be beneficial to have Masamune. Of course Kogarasumaru is best GK now.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

This humored me since I have 0/5 in it.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/Tsukino_Kaji/Shoha.jpg

[Atomic_Skull]

BTW. The crit rate on Ukko's seems to be 15% now. Down from 30%. Even if you agree with the nerf that seems like overkill.

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.


You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.

I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

[Kimble]

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.



I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

So let me get this right, you are very happy that WAR and MNK got nerfed, while THF still gets nothing, and WAR and MNK are still a better DD than THF and still won't want thf for anything more then TH?

I mean, have fun being 100% useless in one of the bigger end game events.

[Ravenmore]

when that inadvertently further boosts shoha?

/sigh ive been a sam for a long time now and i really dont know what to make of shoha as far as how i feel about it, its nice that its strong... but my linkshell helped me put together a masa, yeah doesnt take long i know but when you multiply the total people who were there for me by the amount of actual time spent, thats alot of man hours (or women, we do have a few)

anyways i digress point being, people are now going to bandwagon to sam again... meanwhile my masamune has lost some significance to my worth as a samurai. (with its ftp modifiers its back to the hagun days with GKT save now its called kantonotachi)

Thats what is rubbing everyone else raw too. They scream balance then go off and make a WS for sam that is better then fudo. I was put off sam back at 75 after hitting 75 I was forced on to it for all endgame events even dyna. My blu and drg were better geared and merited, while sam was just a fun job to level 37 to 75. I don't want to see those days return. So I got the double whammy of getting forced on a under merited/geared job while looking and feeling like a bandwagon sam even though I didn't level the job for endgame or even meriting.

[loldrg]

in response to my post the other day, all jobs get a WS bonus to their main weapon, except SAM, since it obviously doesn't need it

[Kimble]

in response to my post the other day, all jobs get a WS bonus to their main weapon, except SAM, since it obviously doesn't need it

what are you talking about?

[loldrg]

last page, just scroll a bit to my post about a suggestion about the new mediocre WS's.

[tyrantsyn]

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.



I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

You've been hurt deeply by SE and I can tell, If I was there, i'd give you a blanket and a thing of hot cocoa and tell you everything going to be alright. /comfort

[Insaniac]

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake. Chant has to compete with lolVorpal blade. Ukko's has to compete with Raging Rush which is a very solid WS. I'm pretty sure that was the reasoning for the higher crit rate and overall damage on Ukko's. Ultimate WSs should crush the next best option by large margins. Ukko's at 15% crit rate doesn't beat RR by as much as it should. That's why I consider it overkill. 20%-40%-60% would be more reasonable imo.