SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

[Shong]

You guys really had to make the lvl 99 limit break this hard? really? i can tell yall this ppl are gonna quit casue of this watch and see hes too dang strong. You guys really better rethink this casue in 2months when we finaly do get done with him what yall do for the new comers? ever think bout that at this rate once ppl beat him they arnt gonna offer the new players help on it thus killin the games growth atleast lower this bcnm tarus power by atleast 20-30% so we can be done with it.

[Harukusan]

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the boys from the men, or the good and the bad.

[Zarchery]

Maat took me 3 or 4 tries to beat. Each time I had to farm a new MNK testimony.

I think the greater failing with this fight is that it's not solo like Maat, so you gotta keep worrying about getting a new party.

[Alerith]

I'm glad it was such a fight as it is. Much better than some stupid "Collect X amount of item Y and shit an egg".

And people aren't going to quit over this. Not anybody we would miss anyways. If they didn't leave because of any of the previous REAL Genkai quests, they won't leave because of a beefed up Taru Maat.

[Meyi]

The fight is fun, it's just a bit of a challenge, that's all. Have fun while you do it.

[Alerith]

I must admit. It's funny watching a NIN somehow get one shot at full HP with 5 shadows by Asuran Fists

[Eri]

I woulda loved it it if it had been harder but w/e was kinda fun.
Now i have the Issue i don't want to Level in Abys i will probably have to....boreing lol

[Vold]

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the boys from the men, or the good and the bad.Or separates the cookie cutters from the rest. Which is exactly the case with this fight. You'd think that knowing "so many people have trouble" it might clue you into reality but nope it's probably just everyone sucks right? Yeah that's it. B's waiting for you over there maybe you should head that way and you guys can fuss over who's better.

Oh btw that THF job under my name should say 96 right now, just for the record. I guess it's slow to update. Just a FYI.

[Alhanelem]

Gimme a break.... it's not that hard. It's not a total walk in the park, but seriously.

There's a nerf item avialable to make it easier too, and everyone in the party can have one.

There is NO excuse to be bitching about this fight's difficulty.

[James15101]

I'm just a little upset that there isn't a solo final fight.

[Meyi]

Gimme a break.... it's not that hard. It's not a total walk in the park, but seriously.

There's a nerf item avialable to make it easier too, and everyone in the party can have one.

There is NO excuse to be bitching about this fight's difficulty.

Yeah except it doesn't guarantee a win and you can only use one per fight (from what I've heard).

[Tohihroyu]

You Q_Q'd for hard you Q_Q'd for a real challenge and guess what? you got it yet you Q_Q because its too hard?!

*facepalm*

No wonder the Japanese playerbase laughs at us.

[Dragoy]

I like a challenge, sure, but I do feel this battle is a bit off with the party requirement... I mean if it was a battle for something else, it would be different, but for a level-limit quest? Hmmm, it should be doable by any job I think, though excluding the Maat-fight, none of the other ones are/were neither... except the ones requiring sneaking around. They also said it wasn't going to be as tough as the Maat-fight... :S

Oh and the item to make the battle "not require a full party"? I haven't yet tried it myself (since the items are rare'ish at least from the high-level Puks though my luck is like that) but from what I've read, it just makes the Tarooo run away? How is that helpful exactly lol. Just makes it harder to melee him haha...
Sure, you can still hit him but sounds weird. Gotta try myself to see really, if only I would get the last item I need for it (Fossilized Bone)!

I wonder how soon they will alter either the difficulty in general, or the special item at least.

Only tried it once with 2 other (a couple of tries before on test-server only) and even though we didn't stand a chance, it was rather hilarious how the Tarooo got a couple of hits on me, then friend (MNK) used some job abilities without even engaging, and got hit with Dragon Kick for over 1700 points of damage, obviously knocking her out.

After that, I was hit with Asuran Fists two times one after another (some sort of passive Sekkanoki effect? lol). My Ninja sucks, badly, lol.

One more lol for added effect.

[Atomic_Skull]

You guys really had to make the lvl 99 limit break this hard? really?

It was hard?

[Camiie]

No wonder the Japanese playerbase laughs at us.

News Flash: We laugh at them too sometimes.

[Greatguardian]

News Flash: We laugh at them too sometimes.

It's more than sometimes.

Silly JP not knowing that Cor is a DD.

[cidbahamut]

Oh for crying out loud...

People moan and complain about Maat being a hard fight when he's not, and people are moaning about this now too. I'm really quite glad that the final limit break is a proper fight. I would have preferred a solo rematch against Maat, but this'll have to do.

For everyone complaining about the fight being hard, all I have to say is
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs27/f/2008/090/6/9/CRY_SOME_MORE_by_Digicaek.png

[Unleashhell]

Maybe people need to learn to play their Abyssea burned jobs with little or no combat skill. Just saying...

[Cljader1]

The fight is very difficult, we needed a ochain pld and bst to tank it, not to mention his ws's eat through pld invincibility he 100% resistant too soul eater luckily are rng shadowbind his ass with he used hundredhand fist. Took me 4 tries, and we had emps and relics all over that taru and it was still challenging.

[Runespider]

This fight isn't that hard really, it's not a cakewalk but it's not a seriously difficult fight. The only problem I have with it is you can PD it, I think that was really silly for something supposed to be a challenge.

[geekgirl101]

Farm the stuff guys. Get a bunch of people together who are serious about farming for 6 hours of items that have a super rare drop rate and require you to visit at least 2 different places in order to get the fossilized bone and the fossilized fang, travel all the way to Bastok, then go to the BCNM and spam your tails at the guy and he's an easy win. If the people you got with you can't stick around for the BCNM then pick up someone who has a tail already, if they just go "inv me plz I need!" and they don't have the tail, they don't get invited because they're just being lazy bums who want to leech off everyone elses' hard work.

If you're in GMT increase 6 hours to 10 hours. :P

[Luvbunny]

It's not a matter of easy vs hard mode. Once the rush is over, and pretty much the majority got their lvl 99, most of the new or returning players will have difficulties trying to get party for this last BCNM. They should create a soloable version (where you need to gather more items) and the current normal version. As it is now, certain jobs are needed, most players will go with the tried and true methods they heard or read on websites and will ask that jobs and nothing else. This is CoP madness all over again - until the next patch nerf this, or at least give players options for normal mode or solo mode (which require more farmings).

[Deadvinta]

4 mnk + 1 smn with Alex. Not hard to find that combination.

[Riggs]

ok managed to beat this guy on third attempt this morning. i totally agree with the people saying its too hard for what it is, and for all those people saying its to easy etc your sad little people who need to come to an internet forum to make them selfs sound big and tough.

[Greatguardian]

It's only hard if you fight it wrong.

[Luvbunny]

4 mnk + 1 smn with Alex. Not hard to find that combination.

And there lies the problem: job xyz or get lost, a party or get lost, farm items for tail or get lost. I thought from the feedback they were going to give people option to fight it as it is, and another method that is easier (and I presumed soloable) - but I guess I was wrong. Now it's jobs xyz or good luck trying with different combos. Not to mention all the mercenary shouts and people trying to profit gills from this lol. It's like it brings out the worst out of players and opportunist out of everyone :)

[JiltedValkyrie]

It's not supposed to be easy. It's a limit break designed to push us and test not only our characters' physical and magical abilities, but our ingenuity and smarts. Why would it be okay if you could just do it really quickly without trying? That's what Abyssea is for. You want 99? Work for it: strategize and plan your attack. You are not a failure if you don't succeed a few times; it makes you better. Be positive, people. This community like any other has the 10% rule: 10% of the people are the most voiced and tend to be negative.

[Komori]

x2 BST, PLD (without o-chain; unsure about aegis). SMN, RDM, WHM. It was a relatively easy fight, but maybe we got lucky on which WS he chose, he got our PLD down to 200 HP once but he was healed back up fine. Us BST melee'd with him and the other pets and snarled emnity to them. I know when he used Hundred Fists and Asuran, GooeyGerard ate a lot of those instead of the PLD, the other BST lost their pet but mine never died. Was easy for us; none of the items were used. Maybe it's just another "chance" fight.

[geekgirl101]

ok managed to beat this guy on third attempt this morning. i totally agree with the people saying its too hard for what it is, and for all those people saying its to easy etc your sad little people who need to come to an internet forum to make them selfs sound big and tough.

But it is easy if you have a good strategy, decent setup, and farm the tails! I am 0/1 with him so far, that's because only 2 of us had tails. Had the rest of the group got off their lazy backsides in Jeuno and farmed the tails themselves then we would've gotten him 1/0. It was a very very close win. Tomorrow I'm gonna farm the items again and this time I'm not taking lazy bones with me who haven't got the tails.

Personally I think SE should tweak the fight a little in the near future because after the rush for 99 there's gonna be mules and new players who will be struggling to find people to help them and not all of them will have had the privilege of spending months in Aby/WoE to get any decent gear to see them through not just the BCNM but the item farming from IT+ mobs. Being slaughtered in one hit from a TP move is also way too extreme, who do they think we're fighting Chuck Norris? I'd expect to be brought down to red HP and needing a major cure or have a chance at swigging several hi-potions before I drop dead, but a one-hit kill? That's just an overkill.

[Greatguardian]

And there lies the problem: job xyz or get lost, a party or get lost, farm items for tail or get lost. I thought from the feedback they were going to give people option to fight it as it is, and another method that is easier (and I presumed soloable) - but I guess I was wrong. Now it's jobs xyz or good luck trying with different combos. Not to mention all the mercenary shouts and people trying to profit gills from this lol. It's like it brings out the worst out of players and opportunist out of everyone :)

One or two half decent (or just plain not bloody terrible) monks with perfect defense can carry an entire group with whoever/whatever you want in the other 3 slots.

This shit is not hard. At all.

[Luvbunny]

Personally I think SE should tweak the fight a little in the near future because after the rush for 99 there's gonna be mules and new players who will be struggling to find people to help them and not all of them will have had the privilege of spending months in Aby/WoE to get any decent gear to see them through not just the BCNM but the item farming from IT+ mobs. Being slaughtered in one hit from a TP move is also way too extreme, who do they think we're fighting Chuck Norris? I'd expect to be brought down to red HP and needing a major cure or have a chance at swigging several hi-potions before I drop dead, but a one-hit kill? That's just an overkill.

I am fine with farming more items say, 6 different items for a solo type bcnm - but yeah this BCNM is a bit retarded, it is fine now when everyone needs it, once the rush is gone, there is absolutely no reasons for anyone to go back and do it. So for any new players, returning players or mules, there is very little options, maybe paying other people to go with you, or hope your LS mates will go with you. The taru also has some sort of additional damage that pretty much kill everyone in 2-3 hits even without his WS one shot everyone and their pets. Unless you farm the tails, or using tried and true methods (as of right now, monk, smn, whm, beast, pld are the jobs that most people shout for) then you are out of luck. Imagine in 6 months when the rush is gone, and everyone have done this, yeah, good luck for those poor souls.

[Greatguardian]

Is that any worse than pre-nerf Mission 5-1 or basically any pre-nerf CoP? =/

It's amazing anyone got those done at all after the first-week rush when Zilart and CoP were released.

[Meyi]

Is that any worse than pre-nerf Mission 5-1 or basically any pre-nerf CoP? =/

It's amazing anyone got those done at all after the first-week rush when Zilart and CoP were released.

I can't lie, that wasn't fun at all. We had to go in with an alliance of 18 people, and the teleporter disappeared after a few seconds (about 5?) of being open. If you didn't hurry the hell up and get on, then there was no way you could continue on upwards with your party. And that meant the entire alliance would have to go back down and struggle with another MR to get everyone up. Took hours, especially with all the fake MRs everywhere.

[Greatguardian]

I meant nation mission 5-1 but all the promies were epicly terrible too :(

[Crawlerbasher]

What do the 2 weekness item do to the fight?

[Siiri]

I won with 4 mnks , whm and smn. We won in 2 minutes and 19 seconds. We all have black belts,full tantra +2, emp weapon , etc. However, I don't see this as being the "lets make this hard" that all the people supposedly want. Its just another gimmick zerg fight. So yeah, just another gimmick zerg fight/pet burn with the farming thrown in, although the drop was easy.

[Mirabelle]

Is that any worse than pre-nerf Mission 5-1 or basically any pre-nerf CoP? =/

It's amazing anyone got those done at all after the first-week rush when Zilart and CoP were released.

game wasn't so top heavy back then so it was easier to find groups doing these things over the years. Any player currently on a break or new player is going to be hard pressed to find folks to help out.

And I imagine elitist folks would never know what its like to come in late to these things since they immediately get them done before anyone else.

[Greatguardian]

Wrong on multiple counts but okay.

[Karbuncle]

I'm sad I'm so late to this thread... But i don't care

This fight isn't that hard, Just gotta know how to play the game like... If you think haste is optional, You're going to lose.

Worst comes to worst?

SMN, WHM, BRD, 3x DD

Perfect Defense zerg it, Have the SMN Throw up Enfire from Ifrit as well

[Alhanelem]

As I recall, b efore the update, people were ASKING FOR a battle for the final LB. What's the point in having one if it's going to be really easy? So they make it hard, and sure enough, people complain that it's too hard.

[Rekin]

The fight is by no means hard as many people make it out to be, it can easily be done with pld/blu(to reduce dmg to almost nothing until 2hr), whm, and some DD/thf. As long as the dds are using multi-hit wses and TAing the pld who should be using Enlight the fight is pretty easy, come 2hr time just stun the guy with various bashes and if possible have a rdm/drk(or blm) to stunlock him and have your dds 2hr him back if your short on time. With this set up with non-empy dds and well geared people all around completed it in 6mins with only the rdm and dd's 2hrs being used.

[xhaolyne]

I hate the people that say "This separates the boys from men" or "Thats because your not good at the game".

That isn't needed.

I will say though if you don't have MNk, SMN, WHM, and BST leveled, your best bet is to shout for those and make the party that works well for this fight.
If your a SMN without alexander, I suggest you get him or people will not want you in there party for the fight.

A normal balanced party can't win this fight though. Even with tails. The reason for that is you can't hit the darn taru while he is running around from the tail,also asura fist is annoying when spammed (KO) lol. Feel bad for people that only have NIN leveled.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't remember that discussion being a big "like"fest. I seem to recall a bunch of people arguing quite passionately about what a bad idea that was, and then SE responding by adding the rabbit tail thingy.

[wildsprite]

I'm with others and still disappointed that this isn't a solo fight, I don't particularly like having to rely on others for something like this, now dont get me wrong, I am for a for a challenge, I would love a fight that challenges me, I just dont see that as this, I see this fight as another cop out from SE because they cant figure out what a real challenge is, a real challenge would have been a solo fight that forces you to think, this is a zerg fight and its just a pain in the a**, on top of that I'm also being told that little pain you have to fight takes 15 merits if you win.....so let me get this straight, you are putting us through bulls**t farming, with a difficult fight if you don't have the right set up then you are still going to make us give you merits too? sorry but it feels like we're being given the short end of a stick on this one

[xhaolyne]

This is going to be a problem in the near future though. After majority has done this fight, what is going to happen to those that still needs it? I don't think they will get alot of help with this without having to pay for the help.

[Sesh]

Did the fight with my friends last night, 4BST, 2SMN, it was far to easy with that set up. Each of the BST's brought about 6-8 mulsims, ran in hit run wild and the taru didn't even stand the slightest of chances. I would suggest the people that find it "impossible" to beat now or in the future, befriend or offer to pay 4 BSTs to do the fight for you. (The SMNs weren't even needed)

[Greatguardian]

Zerging makes it easier than it already is, it doesn't change it from impossible to possible. It's very doable by practically any party setup with skill and the "Easy mode" items.

[Luvbunny]

As I recall, b efore the update, people were ASKING FOR a battle for the final LB. What's the point in having one if it's going to be really easy? So they make it hard, and sure enough, people complain that it's too hard.

I think most people here wants option - a group one and a solo one (where you have to farm more items for this). As it is now, all the strategies outlined is ZERG with xyz jobs and perfect defense. So is this what the hardcore community called "challenge"? so that you can zerg it with xyz jobs and if you don't have those leveled, well suck to be you? I thought the whole point was trying to figure out so that ANY jobs combination can win this, even with Ninja tank and no white mage, summoner, beast, monk or paladin around.. Now the "winning strategies" are the one that people will do - no matter what other ideas you may have, no one in your party will want to try it out since there is xyz jobs win strategy. And yes, this is a cop out from SE - and future players will going to have problems getting this done. Obviously they don't care - they are not intending to get future players, they just wait it out till this game dies out and hoping the current players will migrate to FF14. No thanks :)

[Greatguardian]

People are telling the unwashed masses to zerg the BC because we assume that they don't have the skill to do it any other way.

Shut up.

It's an easy fight that any hodge podge of 6 players with 6 weakness items can win.

[Evandis]

People are telling the unwashed masses to zerg the BC because we assume that they don't have the skill to do it any other way.

Shut up.

It's an easy fight that any hodge podge of 6 players with 6 weakness items can win.

Says a 95 Monk.

[Zarchery]

I think the problem is that level cap removals are so basic to the game, like subjobs or advanced jobs or expanding a gobbiebag. It's not like there's some awesome and prestigious gear. This is just sort of something that I think should be accessible to everyone, even pickup groups.

I think it's a matter of time before SE comes to their senses and nerfs this fight. This is early CoP all over again.

And this fight shouldn't be "OMG SO EASY" with highly specific setups. It should be maybe moderately challenging with ANY setup. I just did it with a pretty basic setup and we didn't even come close.

[ShadowHeart]

People are telling the unwashed masses to zerg the BC because we assume that they don't have the skill to do it any other way.

Shut up.

It's an easy fight that any hodge podge of 6 players with 6 weakness items can win.

ya take it from a ....... man i need to tell me from my mule so i can make a sig like that way almost kool XD

[Greatguardian]

Says a 95 Monk.

I've beat it on Paladin.

Cry more.

[Meyi]

^^; Guys, come on... let's not flop our epeens around and compare sizes...

It's still a tough battle. For everyone who says it's super easy, congratulations on having the right set up, the right people, and the right strategy! Not everyone got that lucky. :( I failed with 4 smns, bst, and nin. Failed with all pets. I finally just beat it with a PLD and SMN combination without using a tail! All of the failed runs we had used tails.

Tail =/= instant win.

Congratulations to everyone who won and good luck to everyone who still needs it!

[Karbuncle]

It really isn't that hard... I went in with a pretty average DD...(Pick up) MNK, MNK, DRK, BRD, SMN, NIN... Got it to ~2% Then had a little trouble (A.K.A started dropping cause HF), Still managed to win with a rag-tag pick up group.

You can win normal, Just easier to Zerg if you aren't confident...

GG Speaks the truth, Rather you want to hear it or not, You don't need all this epic gear, Just a basic understanding of your job and some baseline Gear (i.E Knowing what haste is...?) Capped Skills helps too

Its a challenging fight, But not impossible, and if you're really not confident in pick ups, Shout for a Zerg... Its pretty lax if your DD are even moderately well geared

[Evandis]

It really isn't that hard... I went in with a pretty average DD...(Pick up) MNK, MNK, DRK, BRD, SMN, NIN... Got it to ~2% Then had a little trouble (A.K.A started dropping cause HF), Still managed to win with a rag-tag pick up group.

You can win normal, Just easier to Zerg if you aren't confident...

GG Speaks the truth, Rather you want to hear it or not, You don't need all this epic gear, Just a basic understanding of your job and some baseline Gear (i.E Knowing what haste is...?) Capped Skills helps too

Its a challenging fight, But not impossible, and if you're really not confident in pick ups, Shout for a Zerg... Its pretty lax if your DD are even moderately well geared

Go do it without your precious MNKs and SMNs, then get back to us.

[Zarchery]

I think maybe it's time to remember that at the end of the day it's still just a game. It's best not to get bent out of shape over it. Real life contains more than enough to worry about. Enjoy it for what it has to offer even at 95 and hope that things get easier.

[Karbuncle]

Go do it without your precious MNKs and SMNs, then get back to us.

Precious MNKs and SMNs?

Edit: Maybe I'm being a bit harsh... Either way, The fights Easily done the normal way as well, how do i know this? I've won about 4 times.

Fighting the normal way just requires Great geared players, and The Item that makes him run for HF

[Sesh]

Go do it without your precious MNKs and SMNs, then get back to us.

Like I stated earlier for my fight 4 GooeyGerards and you're golden, it's a /yawn fight.

[Sargent]

I've done this fight twice. First for me, second was helping out.

First time I did the straight tank method using a PLD (Aegis) and 3 weakening items, had one death, wasn't that difficult.
Second time I PD zerged.

My best advice is to you there is a cap on the damage the taru will take on each hit/nuke, which is 100. So, use DDs that hit as frequently as possible, use multi hit ws and use food and reraise. Like 90% of people here have been saying, it's not that hard.

[saevel]

^^; Guys, come on... let's not flop our epeens around and compare sizes...

It's still a tough battle. For everyone who says it's super easy, congratulations on having the right set up, the right people, and the right strategy! Not everyone got that lucky. :( I failed with 4 smns, bst, and nin. Failed with all pets. I finally just beat it with a PLD and SMN combination without using a tail! All of the failed runs we had used tails.

Tail =/= instant win.

Congratulations to everyone who won and good luck to everyone who still needs it!


The fight greatly favors pet jobs and PD zergs or mana burns while spamming the rabbit tail item. Trying to fight it with a "traditional" setup is nearly suicide unless your PLD is ridiculously pimped out. He'll do two WS so fast that it appears to one shot people. And under 50% all he does is spam WS after WS after WS like his AI is stuck in a loop. It'll just walk around killing everyone. The items don't help that much, they'll give you a 60s breather as he's running around too fast for melee's to really do damage on him. If you have BLM / SCH / RNG's then you can just spam the items and kill him while he's running. Or you get a SMN with PD and zerg him down while he can't hurt you.

Really limited set of strategies to use, but thankfully with Abyssea XP being easy people shouldn't have an issue just leveling BST and throwing slugs at him.

[Smokinskull]

The fight is very difficult, we needed a ochain pld and bst to tank it, not to mention his ws's eat through pld invincibility he 100% resistant too soul eater luckily are rng shadowbind his ass with he used hundredhand fist. Took me 4 tries, and we had emps and relics all over that taru and it was still challenging.

Boo hoo. Beat on RDM with standard party setup. Guess all those Relics and Empys didnt work. Probably because it wasnt abyssea.

[Monchat]

this fight shows the lack of imaginations of SE. They are out of ideas for making fights chalenging, so like voidwatch they give mob artificially high damageing abilities. The Seasonning stone takes less than 5 mob to get with TH6 in IT mobs, and I got 6 bones in 30 minute too. Didnt try to get the fang, but it should be as easy.

If you keep failing a the fight farm the weakening items or just bring a SMN, what the problem? It will die before PD wears off if you have 3 DDs.

[Smokinskull]

I think all I have seen and heard in this thread is Veteran player separated from the Abyssea Burn Veterans. Wasn't at all hard. Nothing in this game is hard with Strategy. Im sorry I took pride in my 5 jobs and learned them to be able to perform outside of abyssea. Again as someone stated earlier this seperated boys from men. On a Side note, I found it gut busting funny people who had seriously never fought anything outside of Abyssea trying to fight IT++ Mobs in the tree for there stones. And I quote this one guys "Im a Full Empy thief and and empy weapon and I can solo these mobs" I replied Evasion gear as I soloed a Crawler with ease in my not so Empy gear.

[Zarchery]

Every "it's not that hard" remark seems to be paired with "I did some highly specialized setup" or "I did a standard setup with very high end gear".

Challenge is all well and good, but it should be optional.

[Babekeke]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Clear time 3 mins 33 seconds

Buffed outside with the usual pro/shell/earthen ward/aerial armour/reraise

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

Additional effect from inferno howl did 34 damage, occasionally being resisted to 30 or 17. This is with 362 summoning magic skill.

BST only used Rampage, MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Rampage 440
Asuran Fists 711
Asuran Fists 638
Fire III 95
Asuran Fists 588
Blizard III 86
Chaotic Strike 236
Blizard II 95
Asuran Fists 720
Asuran Fists 636
Thunder III 89
Rampage 273
Asuran Fists 489
Asuran Fists 733

Shock Squall landed, Feral Howl missed.
Melee hits landed for ~50-95 damage
Ramuh was 11-45 per melee swing. Was only really there to help stun hundred fists, not that it was really needed.

I included all the random crap I could. Unfortunately, didn't parse, so I can't say how much HP he had (no, I'm not adding it up).

People said about a hate reset in another thread, not sure if it was mentioned in here... 1 of our 3 MNK held hate the entire fight. She was first to engage and to HF and WS'd about twice as often as the others. Noone pulled hate from her at all. She lost maybe 1k HP through out the fight (after EW dropped), and RDM cast Phalanx 2 on her after Earthen Ward ran out.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

[Zumi]

The fight is a joke, I am 5/5 on it. Helped some LS people so went extra times. Don't even see how it is hard.

[Smokinskull]

Every "it's not that hard" remark seems to be paired with "I did some highly specialized setup" or "I did a standard setup with very high end gear".

Challenge is all well and good, but it should be optional.

Im sorry I did a Standard setup with non +2 or empy weapons party. Does that fix it for you? Common sense shouldn't be optional.

[Logandor]

A friend of mine just informed me he went in on his 95 thf (fully capped in merits/skills) +2 empy gear, empy weapon and twilight dagger. ;.; He got crushed and said for me to not even bother taking my thf in at all because it was a total waste. Now if some one else went in with their thf in decent gear with decent knives and lived to win can you please share your set up. I am still farming the items. I got my one stone but the other stuff is being elusive over here on Carby server at least to this thf.

[Kincard]

Like a lot of others, I don't mind a challenge, but I don't really think it should be applied to something that every player is required to do (A level limit break quest). If this was to unlock the WS instead, I think I'd be a lot more okay with it. Really, for me it's not even so much the "challenge" as it is needing to get a group for it, because these days most halfway decent players do stuff in-house with their LSs. Most of the complaints I heard over Maat way back when was over the need to farm a testimony every single time you wanted to fight him and not so much over the fact the fight itself was difficult.

I also find it funny people harp on about challenge and strategizing, even though for the majority of people it comes down to just doing the same brute-force techniques used for pretty much every other monster in the game (Manaburn, Pet burn, PD Rush). So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.

[Karbuncle]

So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.

I don't really think a single person in this thread has hinted at this in any way.

[Kincard]

I really do think saying stuff like the boys and men stuff is along those lines, but sarcasm is hard to detect on the internets, so there's that.

For the record, I'm glad they made a challenging fight for the final genkai, I just wish it was the right kind of challenge. This is disappearing-blocks-in-Megaman-with-no-discernable-pattern challenge, not beat-Megaman-9-stage-feel-really-fucking-awesome challenge.

[Rohelius]

I hate looking for groups to get shit done in this game i rather have the option to go at it alone.

Ive said before people and specially the people who flaunt how good they are, are only as good as the group behind them and maybe if they decide to look outside their little bubble one day they might understand where other people who do things with shout party's and not a whole lot of jobs to choose from are coming from.

Until then they should just post constructive things like setups/food/gear/tactics and not troll around calling everyone lame for not having a endgame LS holding their hands through the hard stuff like them.
So keep whining about how lame and easy the game is and run back to your groups to get shit done :)

[Smokinskull]

Like a lot of others, I don't mind a challenge, but I don't really think it should be applied to something that every player is required to do (A level limit break quest). If this was to unlock the WS instead, I think I'd be a lot more okay with it. Really, for me it's not even so much the "challenge" as it is needing to get a group for it, because these days most halfway decent players do stuff in-house with their LSs. Most of the complaints I heard over Maat way back when was over the need to farm a testimony every single time you wanted to fight him and not so much over the fact the fight itself was difficult.

I also find it funny people harp on about challenge and strategizing, even though for the majority of people it comes down to just doing the same brute-force techniques used for pretty much every other monster in the game (Manaburn, Pet burn, PD Rush). So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.

Ok and Explain Why everyone shouldnt have to do it. Hell lets make Maat for all the newbies optional. Farming a test is not hard. People who are just lazy dont want to do it. And if this fight was made optional. No one would have done it. I think the battle was a great decision and again it separated people who have taken time to learn and understand each job and the people who didnt.

[Kincard]

Oh yeah, the other funny thing about people mentioning challenge and improving how you play: it's totally irrelevant when the fight requires you to have a group. With Maat that was actually a valid response to people because you could beat it as long as you improve on your own game. Here, it's a total crap shoot because you're going with different people every time (Assuming you're not, as I said, doing every single thing in-house with your LS).


Ok and Explain Why everyone shouldnt have to do it.

About as valid as me asking why everyone SHOULD have to do it, but I already said why: Because it's something that is required to progress in a basic requirement of the game (gaining levels), and not in order to get something extra, which is where challenging things are typically placed in games (EX: ultimate weapons in other RPGs, etc). At a personal level, I like the fact that they made it hard, but I can understand why someone would think it shouldn't be a requirement and I'm not at all a fan of how they decided to make it hard.


Farming a test is not hard. People who are just lazy dont want to do it.

It's precisely because farming a test isn't hard that people shouldn't have to do it, because it's an obvious irritating timesink. But that's with Maat- thankfully they avoided that pitfall here by making you only need to spend 1 merit instead, which I'm okay with.


And if this fight was made optional. No one would have done it

Remember the Serpent generals fight?


I think the battle was a great decision and again it separated people who have taken time to learn and understand each job and the people who didnt.

See above. Me getting better at my job isn't going to change the fact that I need to rely on 5 other people not sucking, which... (laughs maniacally)

[KyaShiva]

One thing I do find annoying is ppl fail once and db, thereby leaving u hanging to find another group.

[Smokinskull]

Absorb-Int You can have this!

[Xantavia]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

Bolded the parts that seemed to be the problem. As others have said, the "easy" win seems to rely on perfect defense and asuran fists. Reminds me of finding groups for CoP promyvian fights. Players saying they so easy no reason to not have wins, but don't want to help or even attempt unless you have smnx3 minimum.

[Smokinskull]

Getting better at your job is required, Because remember you have to know how your job is going to work with others. I have proven my point time and time again. I choose not to continue this debate because in the end this is not WOW or any other lame RPG. You dont like the direction, Drop your credit card info and play another game. This game requires time, strat, and teamwork. This isnt a one person shooter or whatever. So again Im done with this.

[Kincard]

Pretty typical for someone short on intelligence or creativity to bail on a conversation when they can't come up with valid points. Par for the course for this place, I suppose.

[Zumi]

You can tell the fight isn't very hard because every single exp camp is packed and the majority of the player base has already done it.

[Ravenmore]

Go do it without your precious MNKs and SMNs, then get back to us.

Did it with blu/nin, whm/sch pld/war(non relic and no emp weapon or shield) sam/war, rdm/blm. Used 2 items won in 9 mins thats with the whm forgetting to use the ethers I gave her.

[Motenten]

Did it a few times yesterday, and it was a bit tough. We walked in not really prepared for the difficulty (eg: wearing standard DD gear without any thought to him tossing an Asuran at us), and he stomped all over us. Second try we were a bit more careful, but didn't understand the damage reduction mechanism, and just didn't do enough damage before people started going squish. Third try I switched to thf (started out as mnk) and we went for a far more defensive mode (eg: constant collab on the other DD, TA the pld, etc). We were doing pretty well, but timed out.

So by today a few people had farmed up the items for the tail. Honestly, it was overkill; I think we would have been perfectly fine without it. Main thing was that we had fresh 2hrs, and a plan for taking advantage of sch enspells (along with the ton of other buffs the sch put up). The initial damage phase was going two to three times as fast as the runs we did the first night, and using the tail actually slowed us down. A couple people died right when he was at 1%, but we finished without any problem.

Did a second run with some others in the LS that couldn't fit into the first fight, and they (I sat that one out) finished without anyone dying at all, though they had someone go rdm/blm to chainspell+stun during tail use.

Yes, it's a tough fight, but if you sit down and think through the mistakes you make, and adjust your strategy accordingly, it gets easier each time. During our winning run the second day, I could hardly believe it was the same fight as the day before, it was so much easier.


Main party setup on my winning run:
Pld (no aegis or ochain, just joyeuse and MDB shield; subbed /war and ate tacos)
Thf (me; no Empyrean, just fire magian + triplus)
Sch (only hit 95 a week or two ago, middling to decent gear)
Whm (doesn't use whm much, and only got back into game a couple months ago, so gear is more old-school)
Sam (has Masamune, but Fudo sucks for this fight; used Rana and Namas (relic bow))
Nin (85 Kannagi, standard decent nin gear; did less damage than he should have because he was using Hi)

(No smn, no bst, no mnk; only used one tail per fight)

Yes, relic bow did make it easier during the tail-running phase, but mostly just for the second run. In the first run, I think she only got a single Namas off because the constant zig-zag kept her from easily targetting the Taru (she didn't use Namas when we were doing straight fighting). Was in no way a critical element.

We did not do a "zerg", though with Embrava on it almost felt like one. A straight-up fight with a bit of hate control and enspells and it's a breeze. For how we did it, pld/thf/whm/sch were the important jobs. The other two slots could have been any DD at all.


@Logandor: I use 4/5 AF3+2 and Homam feet, Rajas/Epona/Brutal/Suppa/Raider Boom/Atheling/Twilight, and Magian+Triplus daggers. My damage the first night was a bit weak, but we were playing cautiously. For the winning fight with Embrava/enspells, I was doing crazy amounts of damage. Just TA+WS on the pld, constant Collab of any other heavy DDs, and be ready to Accomp+Perfect Dodge for Hundred Fists if you don't use a tail.

I'd say thf is one of the more important jobs to bring if you want to do a fight with a more standard setup.

[Alerith]

Just throw 4 Paladin and two WHM at it. Safest setup. :D

(No, seriously.)

[Smokinskull]

Bailing, I find that very funny. What else should I have to prove? That A. People are lazy, B. People rather go straight to abyssea and not learn there jobs C. People have 0 Skill when it come to something hard out side of abyssea, and D. Herp Derp therefore Gimpness.

[Insaniac]

It is kinda silly to have a party BC for a limit break but it's really not that hard. We lost once and won the 2nd time. I do feel sorry for anyone who is on break right now though. Seems like this should have been the quest to unlock the new WSs.

[Mizuharu]

MNKx3
BRDx2
SMN

Soul Voice Marchx2 + Minuetx2
All MNKs Hundred Fists
SMN uses Inferno Howl (~40 dmg Enfire on every strike), then Alexander and /popcorn.

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[Raka]

A friend of mine just informed me he went in on his 95 thf (fully capped in merits/skills) +2 empy gear, empy weapon and twilight dagger. ;.; He got crushed and said for me to not even bother taking my thf in at all because it was a total waste. Now if some one else went in with their thf in decent gear with decent knives and lived to win can you please share your set up. I am still farming the items. I got my one stone but the other stuff is being elusive over here on Carby server at least to this thf.

Did your friend use an Evasion build? Having 5/5+2 Raider's(Emp) gear or Twashtar doesn't really help w/ survivability for THF, with the exception of the Raider's Poulaines due to them donating 12~15 Agility and 9~11 Evasion.

I can't say I've personally attempted to Evasion tank Atori-Tutori ???, but from what I've read so far...people seem to be throwing "Empyrean+2" sets out there as if they were a must for every situation, and that's not completely true. It's wise to have an Evasion build if you are a career Thief, Dancer, or Ninja just as it is to have a Shield skill build or MDT/PDT build for Paladin, etc..

Ochain is helpful for this tons, this much is true, but it is not a "must". No offense intended, but I did not at all see this fight to be anywhere near "too hard" and like many posts before me said, there are items that you can farm to make the fight easier. So if it's really that hard, just take some more time to farm those items.

Like I said though, 5/5 Emp+2 sets or Emp weapons aren't required, but do play a job you took the time to learn/skill/equip properly over something you just "AbysseaBurned" for Maat's Cap. Seen this mistake already many times.

Good luck to those that still need this.

[Mizuharu]

Also, I should add that, before someone plays "NOT EVERYONE HAS MNK LEVELED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I cleared this with MNK(no empy) SAM NIN SMN SMN BRD. BRD did double Minuet for MNK and double march for NIN and SAM. SMNs did Hastega/INferno Howl, then one did Perfect Defense. After the 1min mark (30secs left on the first PD), use the <Run away!> item. He'll run around for 60secs. That gives you 30secs to let the first PD to wear (Perfect Defense can not overwrite Perfect Defense), then another ~25secs for the BRD to give everyone a fresh Marchx2. Then second SMN uses Perfect Defense and the melee finish off the Tarutaru.

(We got it to ~8% before the first PD wore, and we didn't know about Perfect Defense not overwriting itself. But the BRD missed the first PD and had a fresh one, so the taru killed the melee and started attacking the BRD. The other smn and myself ran off and used Elemental Siphon and threw avatars at it. The DDs Reraised and burned any TP they had. Was sloppy, but it doesn't say anywhere that Perfect Defense couldn't overwrite Perfect Defense, so we decided to try it. And we didn't have a <Run away!> item.)

The BC is hard, yes. But only if you don't have a proper strat. You could get ~3+ of those weakness items and just manaburn/arrow burn him, or just zerg him with Perfect Defense. It really isn't -that- hard.

[Dragoy]

I still think it should have been a solo fight, as it should be about you and your job and not about you and a group of other people. No matter what the difficulty level is, this feels just... wrong. :S

That's what I think anyways.
Obviously the FFXI developers have a different kind of mind-set, which means this a good idea...

What¿?

[Smokinskull]

Did your friend use an Evasion build? Having 5/5+2 Raider's(Emp) gear or Twashtar doesn't really help w/ survivability for THF, with the exception of the Raider's Poulaines due to them donating 12~15 Agility and 9~11 Evasion.

I can't say I've personally attempted to Evasion tank Atori-Tutori ???, but from what I've read so far...people seem to be throwing "Empyrean+2" sets out there as if they were a must for every situation, and that's not completely true. It's wise to have an Evasion build if you are a career Thief, Dancer, or Ninja just as it is to have a Shield skill build or MDT/PDT build for Paladin, etc..

Ochain is helpful for this tons, this much is true, but it is not a "must". No offense intended, but I did not at all see this fight to be anywhere near "too hard" and like many posts before me said, there are items that you can farm to make the fight easier. So if it's really that hard, just take some more time to farm those items.

Like I said though, 5/5 Emp+2 sets or Emp weapons aren't required, but do play a job you took the time to learn/skill/equip properly over something you just "AbysseaBurned" for Maat's Cap. Seen this mistake already many times.

Good luck to those that still need this.


Your cool lol, Im glad other people agree with me.

[detlef]

I've won 2x. Both times we brought a couple BLM and a BRD and some random melee. BLM help to stun and keep the mob in place after using tail. We also had SMN both times but it really isn't needed. Each time the fight was over before Manafont could wear.

[Logandor]

Did it a few times yesterday, and it was a bit tough. We walked in not really prepared for the difficulty (eg: wearing standard DD gear without any thought to him tossing an Asuran at us), and he stomped all over us. Second try we were a bit more careful, but didn't understand the damage reduction mechanism, and just didn't do enough damage before people started going squish. Third try I switched to thf (started out as mnk) and we went for a far more defensive mode (eg: constant collab on the other DD, TA the pld, etc). We were doing pretty well, but timed out.

So by today a few people had farmed up the items for the tail. Honestly, it was overkill; I think we would have been perfectly fine without it. Main thing was that we had fresh 2hrs, and a plan for taking advantage of sch enspells (along with the ton of other buffs the sch put up). The initial damage phase was going two to three times as fast as the runs we did the first night, and using the tail actually slowed us down. A couple people died right when he was at 1%, but we finished without any problem.

Did a second run with some others in the LS that couldn't fit into the first fight, and they (I sat that one out) finished without anyone dying at all, though they had someone go rdm/blm to chainspell+stun during tail use.

Yes, it's a tough fight, but if you sit down and think through the mistakes you make, and adjust your strategy accordingly, it gets easier each time. During our winning run the second day, I could hardly believe it was the same fight as the day before, it was so much easier.


Main party setup on my winning run:
Pld (no aegis or ochain, just joyeuse and MDB shield; subbed /war and ate tacos)
Thf (me; no Empyrean, just fire magian + triplus)
Sch (only hit 95 a week or two ago, middling to decent gear)
Whm (doesn't use whm much, and only got back into game a couple months ago, so gear is more old-school)
Sam (has Masamune, but Fudo sucks for this fight; used Rana and Namas (relic bow))
Nin (85 Kannagi, standard decent nin gear; did less damage than he should have because he was using Hi)

(No smn, no bst, no mnk; only used one tail per fight)

Yes, relic bow did make it easier during the tail-running phase, but mostly just for the second run. In the first run, I think she only got a single Namas off because the constant zig-zag kept her from easily targetting the Taru (she didn't use Namas when we were doing straight fighting). Was in no way a critical element.

We did not do a "zerg", though with Embrava on it almost felt like one. A straight-up fight with a bit of hate control and enspells and it's a breeze. For how we did it, pld/thf/whm/sch were the important jobs. The other two slots could have been any DD at all.


@Logandor: I use 4/5 AF3+2 and Homam feet, Rajas/Epona/Brutal/Suppa/Raider Boom/Atheling/Twilight, and Magian+Triplus daggers. My damage the first night was a bit weak, but we were playing cautiously. For the winning fight with Embrava/enspells, I was doing crazy amounts of damage. Just TA+WS on the pld, constant Collab of any other heavy DDs, and be ready to Accomp+Perfect Dodge for Hundred Fists if you don't use a tail.

I'd say thf is one of the more important jobs to bring if you want to do a fight with a more standard setup.

That was very good info thank you. :)

[Rezeak]

I love how people as bashing the people saying it's a challanege

Pressing Hundred fist/Alexander IS NOT A CHALLEGE

tbh tho this fight does screw alot of jobs over in usefulness which is dumb

ps enspells add ALOT of dmg ^^

[Tsukino_Kaji]

On second character had her on smn and the rest was a bst zerg. It was over fast.
On Kaji we tried a few times with nin and ended up saying "screw it" and switched someone to pld.

[Logandor]

Did your friend use an Evasion build? Having 5/5+2 Raider's(Emp) gear or Twashtar doesn't really help w/ survivability for THF, with the exception of the Raider's Poulaines due to them donating 12~15 Agility and 9~11 Evasion.

I can't say I've personally attempted to Evasion tank Atori-Tutori ???, but from what I've read so far...people seem to be throwing "Empyrean+2" sets out there as if they were a must for every situation, and that's not completely true. It's wise to have an Evasion build if you are a career Thief, Dancer, or Ninja just as it is to have a Shield skill build or MDT/PDT build for Paladin, etc..

Ochain is helpful for this tons, this much is true, but it is not a "must". No offense intended, but I did not at all see this fight to be anywhere near "too hard" and like many posts before me said, there are items that you can farm to make the fight easier. So if it's really that hard, just take some more time to farm those items.

Like I said though, 5/5 Emp+2 sets or Emp weapons aren't required, but do play a job you took the time to learn/skill/equip properly over something you just "AbysseaBurned" for Maat's Cap. Seen this mistake already many times.

Good luck to those that still need this.

He didn't say :( but I do think if he did he may have forgotten it at the last moment to tell me or something. He just said "don't try it with your thf empy outfit it costed me my win when I had gone." I hope he had tried an eva set but sense he didn't say anything I am not sure. >.< Though he did message me about 30 minutes ago saying his blm managed to do nicely. Not sure the set-up he went with this time though.

[Kincard]

Bailing, I find that very funny. What else should I have to prove? That A. People are lazy, B. People rather go straight to abyssea and not learn there jobs C. People have 0 Skill when it come to something hard out side of abyssea, and D. Herp Derp therefore Gimpness.

The point ----------------->
Your head --->O

Quick, chase after it! You might still be able to catch it!

By the way, didn't you leave the conversation? Nice to see that you're back!

[Juri_Licious]

It's the last level cap in the game, and you're whining that it's too hard...

[hideka]

i lol'd when he oneshotted an aegis paladin who thought subbing Ninja was a good idea. went back and whipped on him pld/war with OMGDEFENDR!!!! and a ttaco. easiest BCNM ive ever done. this was nothing compared to snoll, or origonal airship.

[Lukielucas]

A friend of mine just informed me he went in on his 95 thf (fully capped in merits/skills) +2 empy gear, empy weapon and twilight dagger. ;.; He got crushed and said for me to not even bother taking my thf in at all because it was a total waste. Now if some one else went in with their thf in decent gear with decent knives and lived to win can you please share your set up. I am still farming the items. I got my one stone but the other stuff is being elusive over here on Carby server at least to this thf.

The way we did it, was SMN, BLU, BLU, THF, DNC, MNK (used perfect defense method) and when it worn, I (being 95THF) would boost my enmity from stealing enmity from the person who has the hate and then use Perfect Dodge while the rest carried on zerging him, that how we won without items

and my gears were in TP build

[Alkimi]

Won with MNK BLU THFx2 RDM WHM, used one weakening item. Hardly a 'zerg setup' and it was close but we still won.

MNK died from back to back Asuran fists at about 30%. One THF died to hundred fists, remaining one used perfect dodge but died once it wore off. Kited it for a bit on RDM (Moves at normal speed and Horlais Peak is massive) until we could finish it off.

[Kincard]

At least on NIN, an evasion set really won't do you any good. Even ignoring his high accuracy, the real problem is that he can down you with chain-using victory smite or asuran fists.

[Unctgtg]

We won last night Standard xp set up. (that's old school style). Drk, bst, pld, whm, rdm, blm. No special items. Just put enspells on, and went to town, I had to stun after WSs, and had to watch my hate. Multihit WSs do the best on him.

[Finuve]

we won first try DRK PLD WHM SMN THF THF

we had one rarab tail, popped it during hundred fists then I stunned and everyone WSed, knocked a lot off there

besides that it was just a normal fight, two quick deaths when the taru turned and got a good WS off on someone other than the PLD but other than that it was a very easy fight

[Aleste]

1/1'd it as PLD/DRK, WHM/BLM, MNK/WAR, BRD/WHM, SCH/RDM (me) without weakening items... seriously, people are having trouble with this?

Wasted more time in sky farming the damn seasoning stone...

[Ravenmore]

People are forgetting how great stun can be thats all and the more people with stuin helps this fight.

[Zarchery]

I remember the Chains of Promathia missions back during the level cap days were sorta hard. Promyvion, Snoll Tzar, Mithran Trackers, Airship. I was fortunate that I had a linkshell full of trusted friends who I could rely on to farm the items needed for the fight, to show up for a scheduled fight, and to bring their "A" game to the fight. The end result was that the fights were challenging but still fun. We had 6 good players every time, and the confidence that if we lost, we could try again later.

But back in the capped CoP days, you pretty much had to have a static like I did to make any progress. Back then, you had thousands of people who were forced to rely on unreliable pickup groups, and just gave up on CoP while others got through because they were lucky enough to have the connections. You even had what you have now, people boasting about how "easy" the CoP fights were when really all they had was a combination of luck and great team unity.

I think people who call this an easy fight (when not being disingenuous because they used some gimmicky setup) aren't grasping the fact that a party fight is like a chain, and only as strong as its weakest link. I may be a great player who has good gear and didn't microwave my job through Abyssea leeching in a few days, but that doesn't matter unless the other 5 guys are too.

Also come on. It should be a challenge? Gimme a break. We're talking about breaking the level cap here, not getting a damn Mythic weapon. Maat is at least excusable because with him the entire success or failure of the fight is dependent upon you.

[Finuve]

I went on DRK and my group one, the fight is easy

[Zarchery]

I went on DRK and my group one, the fight is easy

Where did you get your group from?

[Mirabelle]

I think people who call this an easy fight (when not being disingenuous because they used some gimmicky setup) aren't grasping the fact that a party fight is like a chain, and only as strong as its weakest link. I may be a great player who has good gear and didn't microwave my job through Abyssea leeching in a few days, but that doesn't matter unless the other 5 guys are too.

Also come on. It should be a challenge? Gimme a break. We're talking about breaking the level cap here, not getting a damn Mythic weapon. Maat is at least excusable because with him the entire success or failure of the fight is dependent upon you.

Agree with this post. I did this fight with LS mates and tried with a conventional setup of Healers, PLD tank, Support, DD and failed several times despite the group having good gear and knowing their jobs. Then decided to go to a setup of SMN, MNK, MNK, THF, BLU, WHM and used PD, hundred fists then olde rarab tail/sudden lunge to finish him off. Went 1/1 with the unconventional setup.
Can't see how a pickup group of average jobs is going to easily win this fight.

And the big problem with a group fight over a solo fight is that a few bad members will kill you in this fight whereas a solo fight means only you are responsible for the outcome.

In the end I see this eventually coming down to people getting merc'd through it by Alexander wielding SMN and a few MNKs as this seems to be the most consistent way to get a win. While there seems to be some other ways to beat him, the playerbase usually settles on the most reliable and it becomes very much like the ACP fight a few years back.

[Greatguardian]

Boo freaking hoo.

If weak links are getting you killed, kick them and find stronger links. If you're a weak link yourself, have fun at level 95 or get started leveling a zerg job.

If you lose this fight 10 times in a row, think about what the common factor among all 10 of those fights is and then get back to me.

[Finuve]

Where did you get your group from?3 from linkshell 3 from shout

[scaevola]

I think people who call this an easy fight (when not being disingenuous because they used an Ochain) aren't grasping the fact that a party fight is like a chain, and only as strong as its weakest link.

ftfy

Not that I'm saying the fight is inappropriately difficult, but I would add my voice to the chorus pointing out that this is going to cause problems for late-comers almost immediately. Took all of three weeks IIRC for the new WoE model to effectively shut off fake Empyreans on Cerberus for anyone who didn't already have one, and I have every confidence SE will drag its feet in reducing the difficulty as quickly as it's probably going to need it.

Basically, the fight's fine right now but will probably be unwinnable by February, especially if getting help/lowmanning will involve getting multiple tails only some kind of asshole would expect friends to farm on their behalf. That's what you get for wanting to play Skyrim, nerds!

[Mirabelle]

Boo freaking hoo.

If weak links are getting you killed, kick them and find stronger links. If you're a weak link yourself, have fun at level 95 or get started leveling a zerg job.

If you lose this fight 10 times in a row, think about what the common factor among all 10 of those fights is and then get back to me.

I think this is what people will do. It will become a merc'd fight for those with average players as friends with non-ideal jobs, just like ACP was after a while.
And our group only lost 3 times in a row before we said, "screw convention and go with a better job strategy."

[xbobx]

The fight is a joke if you farm the items that weaken him. If you keep losing with no weakened items, I think the answer is simple. If you lose with the weaken items then you are the worst players ever, because with 6 weakened items the taru does nothing abut run around for 12 minutes, never attacking.

[scaevola]

The fight is a joke if you farm the items that weaken him. If you keep losing with no weakened items, I think the answer is simple. If you lose with the weaken items then you are the worst players ever, because with 6 weakened items the taru does nothing abut run around for 12 minutes, never attacking.


So you can indeed use multiple tails successively?

Might be a silly question but I've been unable to find confirmation on this.


fwiw my adventures in tutori-ing involved my LS leader wanting me to tank on MNK/NIN, so me demonstrating what a bad idea that was by running in, HFing, and WSing once before getting cuffed by Something+Howling=Liquefaction. I got him down to 70% by doing that, though, so yeah multiple tails really will make this a joke.

[saevel]

The fight is a joke if you farm the items that weaken him. If you keep losing with no weakened items, I think the answer is simple. If you lose with the weaken items then you are the worst players ever, because with 6 weakened items the taru does nothing abut run around for 12 minutes, never attacking.

Problem with this is you can't do any damage while he's running around unless you bring ranged DD's (BLM/RNG/SCH). So while you can have him "running around" you yourself won't be doing much without those above jobs. They should of made two items, one being the "running around" and another just locking his WS's out. Honestly it wouldn't be bad if he didn't spam WS constantly and face rape everyone.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Problem with this is you can't do any damage while he's running around unless you bring ranged DD's (BLM/RNG/SCH). So while you can have him "running around" you yourself won't be doing much without those above jobs. They should of made two items, one being the "running around" and another just locking his WS's out. Honestly it wouldn't be bad if he didn't spam WS constantly and face rape everyone.

Ever heard of a thing called stun?

[scaevola]

or using gravity and turning off lock-on

I mean, yeah, melee might run into some problems landing weapon skills while he's running around but my biggest take-away from my one "attempt" is that he simply does not have enough health for that to matter.

Perfect Defense is basically just another tail. MNK is really good because the mechanics of the fight happen to favor it (and MNK is, of course, really good regardless), but those mechanics are eliminated by tails.

If using one gimmick to get your clear is not sufficiently practical for you, use the gimmick specifically designed for the fight.

[Dragoy]

The fight is a joke if you farm the items that weaken him. If you keep losing with no weakened items, I think the answer is simple. If you lose with the weaken items then you are the worst players ever, because with 6 weakened items the taru does nothing abut run around for 12 minutes, never attacking.
I seem to remember the battle having a time limit of 10 minutes. ^^;

I do wonder how long the effect actually is as I'm seeing everything from 30 seconds to 60 seconds and even up to 2 minutes! I'd imagine 30 seconds would be rather close to the truth... Oh well, I will get to try it out myself soon'ish. Either way, my Ninja will probably never recover from the humiliation.

This is not how the battle should be, dang it! ·~·

[Finuve]

if you have 6 tails, a single BLM could do enough damage in 10 minutes to kill him

[svengalis]

I still think it should have been a solo fight, as it should be about you and your job and not about you and a group of other people. No matter what the difficulty level is, this feels just... wrong. :S

That's what I think anyways.
Obviously the FFXI developers have a different kind of mind-set, which means this a good idea...

What¿?
I see this as more as a understaffed team working on the content. Its much easier to design a BC fight around a party rather then making unique AI for each job. Just shows you what kind of content we can exspect from now on.

[Modoru]

What? You guys are finally getting to see Asuran Fists back to back?
Now you know my pain when I had 6 of them back-to-back when I was doing THF Maat. >:l

[I used P.Dodge, and he used asuran fists over and over. 2hr ended, then two final asurans killed me. Whoo.]

[JovialRat]

I'm 0/4 so far... yes its a difficult fight, but idm it cause its the last LB fight, it should at least be difficult.
I remember when i fought Maat, and went 1/3, when i won that fight i was so happy i was shaking afterwards lol.

[Kitkat]

This fight isn't hard so much as the ability for it to go south fast is very high and it is a 10min time limit. Personally, I went 1/4 but first fight we timed out, second fight we didn't have the plan laid out well and wiped, third time I chop up to us all being tired (mainly due to how crowded it was and waiting/spamming BC just to get back in) and by the 4th time...it was so easy we wondered why it took us 4 tries to do it.

[Saiken253]

I had a lot of fun this fight. going 3/3(helping LS mates).

[saevel]

Ever heard of a thing called stun?

From what, the BLM or the /DRK peoples? If you have access to "stun" then you just nuke it anyway.

The real point is that your WS will miss due to how server - client lag works. The monster is never where you see it, it's always one to three steps ahead and thus the client's targeting system will always be out of range when the monster is moving.

[Jackstin]

Should be pretty easy for pretty much any party-set up with 6 tails to win. I don't think its unreasonable to farm the necessary items given that it is the final LB. I wouldn't be surprised if most parties that have failed did not have a full set of tails. I'm a noob and I won!

[Zerich]

this bulletin is so lol
but seriously, you guys think that this is an outrage?
cancel your subscription.
thnxbai

[Raxiaz]

I went 1/2 on it - no tails - SMN x2 DRG NIN BLU MNK. PD'd all throughout the battle - last PD wore, he was at like 6%, people started dropping, I dropped, got back up, he's at 1%, taru SMN starts running away, everyone's yelling at him to stop, he does, I run up to Atori and quadratic continuum'd that ***** and now my level cap is 99 and Idk why people say this fight is hard because it really isn't.

[Koroma]

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the relic/emp holders from the normal players.

fixed that for you.

[Greatguardian]

fixed that for you.

Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

[Koroma]

Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

olde rarab tail removes it -.-

[hiko]

I find it funny that so many people have trouble with this really simple fight. I guess that's all it takes to separate the boys from the men, or the good and the bad.


fixed that for you.


olde rarab tail removes it -.-
yes but men do it without

[Doombringer]

Because relics/emps mean so much when damage caps at 100/hit

is that what it is? oh...... i thought something was up cuz i was pulling hate off a ukon war in my ls.. upon closer inspection we were hitting for almost the same damage per hit but of course i'm dual wielding and hitting way faster. but i could not think of any reason for him to NOT be hitting WAY harder than me per swing.. like, no amount of defense on that mob would gimp HIS hits that low without gimping mine even lower.. made no sense...



also, just ftr. 1/2, no rarab tails, no perfect defense. all it really took was replacing the mule characters with people actually playing, and letting the tank tank. was actually kinda fun.. ls leader: "ok guys fight behind it" me: "fuck that, i'm fighting right behind ****** for easy cover >.>" (cover actually did end up saving me, but i fought 90 degrees to the side so it couldn't counter me)

edit: well actually there's prolly the most obvious evidence that it's not THAT bad.. i lolmeleerdm'ed it and we won without a gimmick setup or using a single tail...

[geekgirl101]

Well I failed him again this afternoon because I'm a nub summoner who doesn't know how to play her job (thanks to GoV and Abyssea book grinding) so I popped Alex at the start, at 25% he owned us. My ls told me about when I should pop Alex in all future fights, so when it came to the next one this time I waited out until 25% just using regular bloodpacts with shiva, one person popped a tail sending him rushing around so I dismissed shiva and had my finger hovering over the 2hr button for when he stopped running like a headless chicken. Perfect defense right after he stopped running and about a minute later he went down. Granted 4 members were beastmasters and there was 1 red mage for emergency healing and nuking the last 20% off him.

[Evandis]

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

For the record I am 3/3 on the original RDM Maat for friends. I bet 99% of you would have been the WHM levelers.

I want a challenging BCNM, not a BCNM that forces me to level jobs I am not interested in.

EDIT: Got my Monk from 75 to 95 last night after 3 years of stagnation. Grabbed some Elshena and am on my way to skill-up H2H to cap. Then I will go ahead and PD MNK burn it and then come in here and talk about how easy it was and how much the rest of you suck.

[Smokinskull]

yes but men do it without

Awesome post!

[scaevola]

men play catgirls in online role-playing games

[Doombringer]

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

For the record I am 3/3 on the original RDM Maat for friends. I bet 99% of you would have been the WHM levelers.

I want a challenging BCNM, not a BCNM that forces me to level jobs I am not interested in.

EDIT: Got my Monk from 75 to 95 last night after 3 years of stagnation. Grabbed some Elshena and am on my way to skill-up H2H to cap. Then I will go ahead and PD MNK burn it and then come in here and talk about how easy it was and how much the rest of you suck.

for the record, i beat maat on rdm.... 6 years ago. so i'm not impressed... and i beat this taru with pld nin whm bst rdm and mnk. what job is that centric on? we don't have 2 of anything? and we used no rarab tails...

[Evandis]

Too bad you beat a nerfed version. So I'M not impressed.

Anyone who beat this on a standard setup is LUCKY, not skilled. It means you didn't get the back to back light skill chains plus another Asuran on top of it with-in 5 seconds on your tank. Lucky. Not skilled.

[Doombringer]

by that logic you should be able to just keep going until you get 'lucky" if you've been "unlucky" 10 times, and i got "lucky' my first time with my regular group.. is that really "luck"?

[Evandis]

by that logic you should be able to just keep going until you get 'lucky" if you've been "unlucky" 10 times, and i got "lucky' my first time with my regular group.. is that really "luck"?

And by your unintelligible logic, the guy who bought 5 lottery tickets and won and the guy who bought 500 and didn't win, was skilled not lucky. Get a clue.

[Finuve]

my tanks lowest HP was 1200, learn to stun

[Evandis]

my tanks lowest HP was 1200, learn to stun

Your comment is value-less without your "tanks" gear setup.

[Doombringer]

except this isn't a lottery, and you're not as good at this as you seem to think.. if you really believed luck could just hand you a free win, why would you be off leveling monk to PD burn it? it's not exactly hard to "try again" roll those dice that "gave" me my "lucky" win.

i don't even care if they gimp this fight for you. i have no vested interest in this being hard, my problem is your attitude. "i beat maat! so i'm good, you pussies didn't, i can just FEEL you didn't. therefore, anyone other than me who beat THIS lvl cap got lucky. since if i can't beat it, it cannot be legitimately beaten!"

[Evandis]

except this isn't a lottery, and you're not as good at this as you seem to think.. if you really believed luck could just hand you a free win, why would you be off leveling monk to PD burn it? it's not exactly hard to "try again" roll those dice that "gave" me my "lucky" win.

i don't even care if they gimp this fight for you. i have no vested interest in this being hard, my problem is your attitude. "i beat maat! so i'm good, you pussies didn't, i can just FEEL you didn't. therefore, anyone other than me who beat THIS lvl cap got lucky. since if i can't beat it, it cannot be legitimately beaten!"

And I don't like yours and everyone else's holier than thou attitude because you managed to beat it, luck or burning it, or had the advantage of ridiculously geared tanks. Beating this BCNM doesn't mean YOU the individual are good at all. Because if it was all about how good YOU are, then shut your mouth and put the money up and go solo him.

This is about new players, recent returning players who don't have all the top notch gear yet, and the average player who needs to go through this BCNM just to enjoy level 99. This isn't an HNM, it's not a God, it doesn't drop sweet loots, it's a limit break quest and everyone who plays this game, pays the same monthly fee as you and has every right to complete it without having to halt their forward advancement of the jobs they like to go level another one to get through it. Without having to hope they get in a good party or get into a lucky BCNM. Without having to pay some greedy group of people to do it for them. Without having to answer a shout for a LB fight with a "No thanks." because they don't have the job that particularly party wants to burn with or because their shield doesn't say Aegis or Ochain on it, etc.

And this is just like the lottery. None of the players control the taru and when and what weapon skills he will use, how much he spams them for and how much damage they do, or what skillchain he makes. Just like the lottery, all those combinations are computer generated.

This is BS for a limit quest fight and even after I beat it, which I will, I will still think it is BS and use my newly acquired 95 Monk to help others get over the hump too, free of charge.

Let's talk about who is really unskilled, it's the majority of you, who needed RDM Maat gimped, who needed CoP missions gimped, who needed Abyssea and GoV exp handed on a silver platter with atmas that make you look much better than you are. Without that, all your 95 jobs would still be underleveled in the 30s and you would have your one 67 job struggling to get by in the environments that many others thrived on. So I guess those were the truly skilled people.

[Finuve]

I still don't remember there being luck

PLD WHM SMN DRK THF THF in my party, we beat the fight using a normal strat of the tank tanks everyone else fights, we just didnt WS due to the fights odd mechanics

when the taru used hundred fists the PLD popped an olde rarab tail, when he started to run I cast stun and everyone WSed while he couldnt move

we then chased him around for free hits and I spammed weapon bash til it got off for more free hits

at 10% the summoner used alexander, but it was more a screw it we already won heres some insurance type of thing

this fight is not hard, stop pretending like it is, and stop pretending that people need specific jobs to win, I can make combinations that any job can fit into (I did the same thing beating CoP doing every mission on DRK)

just take some time and THINK and the fight is not hard

[Evandis]

I still don't remember there being luck

PLD WHM SMN DRK THF THF in my party, we beat the fight using a normal strat of the tank tanks everyone else fights, we just didnt WS due to the fights odd mechanics

when the taru used hundred fists the PLD popped an olde rarab tail, when he started to run I cast stun and everyone WSed while he couldnt move

we then chased him around for free hits and I spammed weapon bash til it got off for more free hits

at 10% the summoner used alexander, but it was more a screw it we already won heres some insurance type of thing

this fight is not hard, stop pretending like it is, and stop pretending that people need specific jobs to win, I can make combinations that any job can fit into (I did the same thing beating CoP doing every mission on DRK)

just take some time and THINK and the fight is not hard

One problem with your strategy, the taru can and does often spam light skillchains, back to back with-in seconds on top of a third Asuran. All it took was for luck to go in the other direction for you and drop your tank and the fight goes from easy and controlled to a full wipe.

[Finuve]

One problem with your strategy, the taru can and does often spam light skillchains, back to back with-in seconds on top of a third Asuran. All it took was for luck to go in the other direction for you and drop your tank and the fight goes from easy and controlled to a full wipe.do you remember in the other post where I mentioned stun? has abyssea really been around long enough that people forgot that when somthing strong is going off, they can stun it, i mean crazy right, if I see my tank take a lot of damage from asuran fists, maybe I'll idk immediately stun so he can get healed instead of eating another asuran fists, crazy IDK, and I have no idea how this would work because I didn't do it or anything while I did the fight

[Evandis]

do you remember in the other post where I mentioned stun? has abyssea really been around long enough that people forgot that when somthing strong is going off, they can stun it, i mean crazy right, if I see my tank take a lot of damage from asuran fists, maybe I'll idk immediately stun so he can get healed instead of eating another asuran fists, crazy IDK, and I have no idea how this would work because I didn't do it or anything while I did the fight

Are you missing the back to back part? It's happening so fast that by the time people hit the stun macro our tanks are dropping.

[Doombringer]

"who is really unskilled...." wow.. again, get over yourself. you're not the only one in this room who beat maat "back in the day" and since you mentioned it, i beat cop before they gimped it to.. yes, before the FIRST gimp. not the new one where they removed all the lvl caps, the gimp YEARS go.. before that one. oh, also.. all the jobs i have at 95+ now, i had at 75 before abyssea came out. (granted it's only 3, but if i had wanted a 4th i would have leveled it 3 years ago..)

so stop whipping this arbitrary stuff out like it proves you're better.

1) it doesn't, honestly my collective response could be summed up as *yawn* "been there done that"
2) it doesn't help you anyway... and until you can wave that resume at the taru and he goes "oh shit! nvm, i give up" it never will.


obviously this taru has bruised your mighty maat beating ego. sorry guy. like i said, if SE wants to make it easier i have no problem with that, but don't sit there and rattle on about how you somehow "deserve" this win more than me because you THINK you've been playing longer and you CLAIM to have been good half a decade ago..

also i'd like to point out, i wasn't in this thread telling people they suck, i just mentioned it was only marginally difficult for me, and with proper planning it seemed like most people should be able to do it.

[Finuve]

get a tank that doesnt suck, even if he gets light off it should not kill, and by the time the animation is playing for the second WS you will ALWAYS have enough time for a stun

so use strat I mentioned, find tank that doesnt die from Light, make sure stunner can fricking stun

[wildsprite]

Let's talk about who is really unskilled, it's the majority of you, who needed RDM Maat gimped, who needed CoP missions gimped, who needed Abyssea and GoV exp handed on a silver platter with atmas that make you look much better than you are. Without that, all your 95 jobs would still be underleveled in the 30s and you would have your one 67 job struggling to get by in the environments that many others thrived on. So I guess those were the truly skilled people.

so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

[Evandis]

"who is really unskilled...." wow.. again, get over yourself. you're not the only one in this room who beat maat "back in the day" and since you mentioned it, i beat cop before they gimped it to.. yes, before the FIRST gimp. not the new one where they removed all the lvl caps, the gimp YEARS go.. before that one. oh, also.. all the jobs i have at 95+ now, i had at 75 before abyssea came out. (granted it's only 3, but if i had wanted a 4th i would have leveled it 3 years ago..)

so stop whipping this arbitrary stuff out like it proves you're better.

1) it doesn't, honestly my collective response could be summed up as *yawn* "been there done that"
2) it doesn't help you anyway... and until you can wave that resume at the taru and he goes "oh shit! nvm, i give up" it never will.


obviously this taru has bruised your mighty maat beating ego. sorry guy. like i said, if SE wants to make it easier i have no problem with that, but don't sit there and rattle on about how you somehow "deserve" this win more than me because you THINK you've been playing longer and you CLAIM to have been good half a decade ago..

also i'd like to point out, i wasn't in this thread telling people they suck, i just mentioned it was only marginally difficult for me, and with proper planning it seemed like most people should be able to do it.

The only people here who are making claims that someone deserves the win more than others are the jackoffs like you with their boys and men comments and all those who are struggling with it must suck. I am waiting for you to solo it.

[Finuve]

so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

solo challenges got old with maat, team challenges are what ffxi is built on

my only problem with this LB fight was it was too easy and allowed you to use a gimmick item CoP style

[Evandis]

so wait, you are going to sit there and say because you beat CoP capped it makes you skilled, fraid not, CoP was capped because they could not think of any real challenges for us, all that shows is you remember how to play your job at lower levels, you're not skilled because you beat it with the cap on, I agree with you on the abyssea points though, most players are unskilled due to it, this fight is a disappointment, you people that love it can have it. I wanted a real challenge, not a 3 to 6 man fight....something I didn't have to rely on other players for because as you said lack of skill comes into play for most, I agree that the final LB should be a challenge, you people throwing direct insults at each other really need to grow up.

I am fine with it being a challenge, one that all jobs can engage in, probably should be a solo challenge, then those who actually know their jobs win, the ones who deserve it, not the ones who just hit attack and ws macros.

Not everyone can have the top notch gear right away, it takes awhile, especially for people who have to farm their seals with randoms, etc. The entire BCNM relies on you having 6 people that know their job and above average gear to win. That's not what a limit break is about.

[Finuve]

I am fine with it being a challenge, one that all jobs can engage in, probably should be a solo challenge, then those who actually know their jobs win, the ones who deserve it, not the ones who just hit attack and ws macros.

Not everyone can have the top notch gear right away, it takes awhile, especially for people who have to farm their seals with randoms, etc. The entire BCNM relies on you having 6 people that know their job and above average gear to win. That's not what a limit break is about.

aer you seriously claiming that not all jobs can win this fight? is this 6 years ago CoP all over again where we have a few foolish people convincing others that they HAVE to have certain jobs

[Evandis]

aer you seriously claiming that not all jobs can win this fight? is this 6 years ago CoP all over again where we have a few foolish people convincing others that they HAVE to have certain jobs

Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.

[Finuve]

Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.
well based on that claim then in the words of Shao Kahn, Its Official, You Suck

[Zarchery]

get a tank that doesnt suck, even if he gets light off it should not kill, and by the time the animation is playing for the second WS you will ALWAYS have enough time for a stun
/te
so use strat I mentioned, find tank that doesnt die from Light, make sure stunner can fricking stun

Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?

[Finuve]

Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?they are in the "your gear obviously sucks /kick from party and get a new one" section

[Evandis]

Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?

Look under "Finuve is a Clown" category and they go for roughly 180 million gil. Takes a good 2 weeks for them to get delivered.

[Unleashhell]

Bailing, I find that very funny. What else should I have to prove? That A. People are lazy, B. People rather go straight to abyssea and not learn there jobs C. People have 0 Skill when it come to something hard out side of abyssea, and D. Herp Derp therefore Gimpness.

Truth right here.

[Doombringer]

Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.


wait wait wait.. wtf dude, 4 pages ago you were accusing "US" of not being good enough at our jobs to beat maat, so "WE" had to lvl whm to beat him on that.. but YOU can't beat new taru maat on your jobs so you lvled another one to make it easier? because your paladin is too average? and your nin and thf don't do enough dmg...

lemme ask you this, that fancy maat fight you keep flashing as a badge of honor, did you just show up and beat it within 3 weeks of having not played for.. how long? or were your skills capped? where they at least close to capped because back then you couldn't burn job lvls? did you really look into gear? did you maybe get food or meds? or did you just roll in naked, or in whatever you happened to be wearing, relevant skills 5-10 job levels gimp? (more if you lvled your jobs in aby. i don't blame you if they're underskilled, aby xp's faster than you can skillup. but be honest with yourself here..)

[Finuve]

Look under "Finuve is a Clown" category and they go for roughly 180 million gil. Takes a good 2 weeks for them to get delivered.I'm the clown that can at least beat an easy BCNM fight

[Dreamin]

There are many ways to beat this, there's no single right or wrong way. I've said it in the other thread already. Dont try to cookie cut and paste the same strategy. Use a strategy that is based on your party member's strength and try to cover each other's weakness. If you plan on using tail item, make sure you have nukers who can land decent nukes. DoT, etc, etc.

Also, i.wing, acc food, def food, etc, along with cap skill, tanks with DT-, fast acting stunners, fast healers, DDs who knows how to switch to DT- gears, etc. Again, it's all skill and/or smart on how to build your pt to win. Cookie cutting template without regard to the actual member's skills (weapon/magic type as well as reaction time) wont do. If you have Tanks that needs help in gaining (or regaining) hate, bring a THF to sata. Or SAM/THF, etc. etc.

I dont necessarily want to say this LB is a walk in the park but all it takes is some thoughts and planning and really to know your party makeup. If you have to rely on pickup group, then you need to make sure whatever strategy/job you're getting that they at least have the corresponding skills capped. If you bring a abyssea leveled job that never skill the necessary skills, then you can't complaint that you can't beat this.

[Logandor]

The way we did it, was SMN, BLU, BLU, THF, DNC, MNK (used perfect defense method) and when it worn, I (being 95THF) would boost my enmity from stealing enmity from the person who has the hate and then use Perfect Dodge while the rest carried on zerging him, that how we won without items

and my gears were in TP build

Okay that sounds like a fun set up. :) thank you. I think we may try this one and if it does not work me in eva setup too even if I have to swap mid fight for us.

[Evandis]

wait wait wait.. wtf dude, 4 pages ago you were accusing "US" of not being good enough at our jobs to beat maat, so "WE" had to lvl whm to beat him on that.. but YOU can't beat new taru maat on your jobs so you lvled another one to make it easier? because your paladin is too average? and your nin and thf don't do enough dmg...

lemme ask you this, that fancy maat fight you keep flashing as a badge of honor, did you just show up and beat it within 3 weeks of having not played for.. how long? or were your skills capped? where they at least close to capped because back then you couldn't burn job lvls? did you really look into gear? did you maybe get food or meds? or did you just roll in naked, or in whatever you happened to be wearing, relevant skills 5-10 job levels gimp? (more if you lvled your jobs in aby. i don't blame you if they're underskilled, aby xp's faster than you can skillup. but be honest with yourself here..)

Clearly reading isn't your best attribute, nor is the comprehension part. So I'll let you figure out the correlation between my Maat WHM comment and why I said it. I know you will never figure it out and that is okay by me.

I also skilled up my jobs and capped all the skills in those 3 weeks with the exception of Shield and Parry which just take time. Don't worry about my jobs and skill levels. The gear is average because of time back. The skills are still capped and there.

[Evandis]

I'm the clown that can at least beat an easy BCNM fight

Oh you solo'd it did you? Video?

Still waiting on you to list that tanks gear, methinks an Aegis or an Ochain was involved and that is why you sidestep it.

[Zeo]

People wanted an epic fight for the 99 cap and now see how they back-peddle. Can't please all the people all the time I guess.

[Unleashhell]

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

Just curious... Did you read the subject line of the topic?

[Evandis]

Just curious... Did you read the subject line of the topic?

Just curious if you read the entire thread and followed the conversation that lead up to this?

[Unleashhell]

Just curious if you read the entire thread and followed the conversation that lead up to this?

I sure did.

[Koroma]

And I don't like yours and everyone else's holier than thou attitude because you managed to beat it, luck or burning it, or had the advantage of ridiculously geared tanks. Beating this BCNM doesn't mean YOU the individual are good at all.

100x this..

[Finuve]

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight

It is not job centric, pick jobs available to the group that makes sense, farm weakness items and think of a strat, i think the main failing here is the lack of thinking

[Doombringer]

Clearly reading isn't your best attribute, nor is the comprehension part. So I'll let you figure out the correlation between my Maat WHM comment and why I said it. I know you will never figure it out and that is okay by me.

I also skilled up my jobs and capped all the skills in those 3 weeks with the exception of Shield and Parry which just take time. Don't worry about my jobs and skill levels. The gear is average because of time back. The skills are still capped and there.

no guy, your pretty clearly accusing people of taking the easy way out.. i can pretty easily comprehend that. wich is awesome because that's exactly what you're doing by leveling a burn job. hilarious..

but no dude, that's cool how you accuse me of being unable to read to cover it up. ephen if i tipet lyke thiz yood still be leveling the burn job to beat the lvl cap. pot, meet kettle.

anyway, i'm out the door in like 10, and i gotta shave first. normally that would be a 'who cares' kind of statement and i wouldn't bother. but i feel the need to say it because you've already gone so petty that i could see you replying to this, then taking my eventual silence (because i'm not home) as you winning.

have a nice night everyone.

[Evandis]

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight

It is not job centric, pick jobs available to the group that makes sense, farm weakness items and think of a strat, i think the main failing here is the lack of thinking

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight if you have the LS to get you the most top notch gear, or you happen to get lucky enough to have a maxed out PLD tanking...or if you are a MNK/BST/SMN.

It's a limit break quest. It let's level up to 99, not gives you an enhancement to all your weapons that make them occassionally hit 2 to 8 times.

[Evandis]

no guy, your pretty clearly accusing people of taking the easy way out.. i can pretty easily comprehend that. wich is awesome because that's exactly what you're doing by leveling a burn job. hilarious..

but no dude, that's cool how you accuse me of being unable to read to cover it up. ephen if i tipet lyke thiz yood still be leveling the burn job to beat the lvl cap. pot, meet kettle.

anyway, i'm out the door in like 10, and i gotta shave first. normally that would be a 'who cares' kind of statement and i wouldn't bother. but i feel the need to say it because you've already gone so petty that i could see you replying to this, then taking my eventual silence (because i'm not home) as you winning.

have a nice night everyone.

I could care less if I "win" over the internet. Especially against those people who belittle others with a legitimate concern and frustration. You clearly missed that my whole argument is that I shouldn't have to level a particular job to burn this NM.

[Finuve]

You have pld nin, and thf, all great jobs for this fight, and you do not need great gear, i had a thf using dual eva daggers and some generic half decent gear, mostly +1 af3

And ur argument that u need to level a certain job is wrong, simply wrong

[Evandis]

You have pld nin, and thf, all great jobs for this fight, and you do not need great gear, i had a thf using dual eva daggers and some generic half decent gear, mostly +1 af3

And ur argument that u need to level a certain job is wrong, simply wrong

No, my argument is not wrong, because if you don't have an Aegis/O-Chain PLD, or a Alexander SMN or a BST, or a MNK, then no one is interested in you. Wish I could take a screenshot of the shouts. Let me quote them.

"Ochain/Aegis {Paladin} {Do you have it?} {Limit Breaker} @5 {/tell}."

"{Limit Breaker} @5 {Monk} {Can I have it?}"

Etc. etc. etc.

I wonder why shouts like that exist? Oh...maybe because more people fail than succeed at the average standard setup? Just like stereotypes, they are rooted in truth.

[Dragoy]

From what, the BLM or the /DRK peoples? If you have access to "stun" then you just nuke it anyway.

The real point is that your WS will miss due to how server - client lag works. The monster is never where you see it, it's always one to three steps ahead and thus the client's targeting system will always be out of range when the monster is moving.

It is actually possible at least normally to hit a target moving away from you, even with a WS, if you take the correct amount of steps past the target, as in picturing it going farther than it is. A few steps usually does it.

That said, I still haven't actually seen how he moves exactly at that time, though, so if it's incredibly erratic, it would certainly make it difficult, more so than it needs to be.


And by the by, does this thread really need to continue to become just about "who or what can do it and who can not"? ^^;

[Lotto]

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight if you have the LS to get you the most top notch gear, or you happen to get lucky enough to have a maxed out PLD tanking...or if you are a MNK/BST/SMN.

It's a limit break quest. It let's level up to 99, not gives you an enhancement to all your weapons that make them occassionally hit 2 to 8 times.

You probably missed the CoP era, nobody complained when you had to come SMN or RNG to win a promyvion. And as you said, at this time clearing promies would not give you an "enhancement to all your weapons".

Back on topic, cleared the BC with MNKx2, DRK, DNC, WHM, SMN. One of the MNK got killed by a weapon skill at the beginning of the fight. SMN used perfect defense ant still managed to defeat him easily.
The only thing I regret about the BC is that the "final boss" is just a taru, where are the Promathia, Kam'lanaut or those charismatic bosses? ; ;

[Finuve]

Build ur own party then, ffs just because ppl shout for things that make it easier doesnt mean its impossible without, i beat every CoP mission prenerf on drk, DRK, a job that sucked for just about nething that wasnt diabolos

How? I built the parties and came up with the strategy myself, what did i do for this lb? The same damn thing

So besides sucking less, u also need to be less lazy

[detlef]

Just beat it again, BLM BLM BLM BLM BST SMN.

[Lotto]

No, my argument is not wrong, because if you don't have an Aegis/O-Chain PLD, or a Alexander SMN or a BST, or a MNK, then no one is interested in you. Wish I could take a screenshot of the shouts. Let me quote them.

"Ochain/Aegis {Paladin} {Do you have it?} {Limit Breaker} @5 {/tell}."

"{Limit Breaker} @5 {Monk} {Can I have it?}"

Etc. etc. etc.

I wonder why shouts like that exist? Oh...maybe because more people fail than succeed at the average standard setup? Just like stereotypes, they are rooted in truth.

I don't get it, if you don't like the shouts you see, why don't you make your own?

[Evandis]

You probably missed the CoP era, nobody complained when you had to come SMN or RNG to win a promyvion. And as you said, at this time clearing promies would not give you an "enhancement to all your weapons".

Back on topic, cleared the BC with MNKx2, DRK, DNC, WHM, SMN. One of the MNK got killed by a weapon skill at the beginning of the fight. SMN used perfect defense ant still managed to defeat him easily.
The only thing I regret about the BC is that the "final boss" is just a taru, where are the Promathia, Kam'lanaut or those charismatic bosses? ; ;

I have been playing since N/A release...and quit in October 2009, the only era I missed was the dumbing down of this game via Abyssea experience points. Leveling a job to 30 and leveling one to 95 are not relateable.

[Evandis]

I don't get it, if you don't like the shouts you see, why don't you make your own?

I have made my own. I am 0/10. The best we did was when I came PLD and Terra Staffed it, even though everyone insulted me for this concept...it's the furthest we ever got it down.

[Dreamin]

Those shouts exists because most of those people lack insight and they're nothing but copy cats, they read somewhere such and such strategies works and they think just because of the same exact jobs will make an automatic win. Imagine if in a party with an OChain PLD but no DD with skills cap. They could still potentially run into time out issues because they cannot perform enough damage. Likewise, what if those 5 MNKs are all abyssea leveled and never went to skill their skill. Or come to the fight without acc food or i.wing, etc. etc.

If you dont have friends/ls where you can get help with, then formulate a strategy based on what jobs you can get (you can shout for it) and go farm up some tails.

[Evandis]

I already found my solution, I am out in Abyssea - Vunkerl with a stack of Elshena right now, so I can use it.

[Zumi]

I have made my own. I am 0/10. The best we did was when I came PLD and Terra Staffed it, even though everyone insulted me for this concept...it's the furthest we ever got it down.

I am 5/5 on it helped some other people tanked it on my PLD every time I went used sword and shield. If you are using stuff like a Terra Staff that is doing it wrong. There is no reason why you shouldn't be using sword and shield. If your dying maybe your healers are bad. All you need is quick healing when he WSs the fight is a joke with a PLD and good healers.

[Finuve]

If u have to level another job for this fight then u suck

Whats the common denominator between the geoups u joined that lost and the group u built that lost?

[Cahlum]

All you need is 3 MNKs and a SMN for gurantee'd win can have two leechs so help your ls out which is what I have been doing

[Evandis]

I am 5/5 on it helped some other people tanked it on my PLD every time I went used sword and shield. If you are using stuff like a Terra Staff that is doing it wrong. There is no reason why you shouldn't be using sword and shield. If your dying maybe your healers are bad. All you need is quick healing when he WSs the fight is a joke with a PLD and good healers.

Please read my comment. I said we did the best with my Terra Staff, not I used it all the time.

[Evandis]

If u have to level another job for this fight then u suck

Whats the common denominator between the geoups u joined that lost and the group u built that lost?

Not one of the losses was on me, feel free to ask those who went. Try harder. Still love how you have avoided telling us what gear your tank had.

[Lotto]

I have been playing since N/A release...and quit in October 2009, the only era I missed was the dumbing down of this game via Abyssea experience points. Leveling a job to 30 and leveling one to 95 are not relateable.

You're right, back then leveling a job to 30 would have required a week, now with abyssea you can do 1-95 in 2 days.

With all the TP burn setups most of the people forgot how to make real tactics. In a BCNM, use HQ food, bring reraise, icarus wings, explain clearly the strategy to your party, make sure they're using decent gears (Pink set = no) and that know how to play your job (DD without a haste gear = wrong).

[Zarchery]

All you need is 3 MNKs and a SMN for gurantee'd win can have two leechs so help your ls out which is what I have been doing

I dunno. I tried this setup twice and failed. I've got Brown Belt, full Tantra +2 (almost; Crown is only +1). Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Brutal Earring, Moonshade Earring, Afflictors, Calcitrant Stole, and Atheling Mantle. Maybe it's not OMG super duper, but it's still a solid set.

[Evandis]

You're right, back then leveling a job to 30 would have required a week, now with abyssea you can do 1-95 in 2 days.

With all the TP burn setups most of the people forgot how to make real tactics. In a BCNM, use HQ food, bring reraise, icarus wings, explain clearly the strategy to your party, make sure they're using decent gears (Pink set = no) and that know how to play your job (DD without a haste gear = wrong).

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

[Logandor]

The only reason I was asking about thief being used in the LB fight was to find out it was possible that way I can strat with the only jobs my ls has to offer that are 95 >.< sadly no one in there leveled a pld job and to be honest some don't even have it unlocked. We got a war 95 decent geared and fully merited, me as thief at 95 okay gear and fully merited, a black mage with awesome gear and fully merited, a whm in okay gear and soon to be fully merited, and a rdm in decent gear fully merited. We are all except for the mages capped out on skills so I was trying to figure out a strat. Any who back to farming the items today for the rest of the ls then we are going to plan out how to do this.
Thank you to all the advice guys and ladies. :)

[Zarchery]

At the very least I'd like to see SE create a Psychoanima and Hysteroanima type item so you can actually weaken the guy and still melee him.

Also, this forum has an ignore feature. I suggest you use it on Finuve, who is being needlessly antagonistic.

[Finuve]

At the very least I'd like to see SE create a Psychoanima and Hysteroanima type item so you can actually weaken the guy and still melee him.

Also, this forum has an ignore feature. I suggest you use it on Finuve, who is being needlessly antagonistic.

But its so much fun

[Komori]

Why is Evan shooting down everyone who has cleared the BCNM? Maybe you are getting bad luck but at least for my group, it was not all that difficult. But there's no reason to act so bitter towards other players. I don't have the best gear, most of my gear consists of +1 and +2 empyrean and a few things I macro in and I'm working on it. But you seem to just have this attitude about people and maybe that's why your not getting invites instead of your actual jobs.

Back when I first started playing 04 or 05? I was in school and changed my characters more times than I count count so I only recently got 75 just before they raised cap. BLU was 72 and BLM 75 when it did. The rest of my 11 jobs were abyss burned but you can ask anyone from my server and none of them are "bad" persay and none of them are underskilled; and none of them wear a sliver of pink, perle or teal.

[Finuve]

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

Pink perle and teal gear is definitely a no, its level 77 gear, i mean wtf did u fight maat wearing a brigandine

[Lotto]

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

Try Maat rdm just with the full AF1 only. Will you tell me that only rdm with great gears can have it leveled at 70+?

[Evandis]

Pink perle and teal gear is definitely a no, its level 77 gear, i mean wtf did u fight maat wearing a brigandine

As opposed to what since in SEs brilliancy they made most high level gear R/EX that requires you either already have good gear to solo to obtain it, or multiple people top help. The stuff that isn't R/EX either sucks or is ridiculously expensive. Don't worry people like you will get your way, eventually the servers will all be merged in to one to make sure 900 people are on at the same time.

[Finuve]

As opposed to what since in SEs brilliancy they made most high level gear R/EX that requires you either already have good gear to solo to obtain it, or multiple people top help. The stuff that isn't R/EX either sucks or is ridiculously expensive. Don't worry people like you will get your way, eventually the servers will all be merged in to one to make sure 900 people are on at the same time.

At any given time there are 5+ ppl shouting to farm af+1 papers why dont u join one, make some friends and get gear that doesnt suck, this is an mmo stop being a loner

[Evandis]

Try Maat rdm just with the full AF1 only. Will you tell me that only rdm with great gears can have it leveled at 70+?

Actually I was fine with them nerfing RDM Maat. Consdering how stupidly easy some Maat fights were compared to RDM, it didn't make sense.

[Evandis]

At any given time there are 5+ ppl shouting to farm af+1 papers why dont u join one, make some friends and get gear that doesnt suck, this is an mmo stop being a loner

I have yet to see any fights for PLD dropping paper mobs, all the seals I have, I basically have to solo on my Thief.

[Finuve]

I have yet to see any fights for PLD dropping paper mobs, all the seals I have, I basically have to solo on my Thief.

Then build one urself, and make friends while ur doing it, maybe then u can get in a linkshell with ppl that are also friendly and helpful

[Komori]

Why don't you switch to Bismarck so I can help you out so you don't have to be the debbie downer of the forum? Or will you not accept help just because almost all of my jobs are abyss burned but decent?

[Evandis]

I am in a linkshell.

For now, I get seals faster with my THF and my wife's RDM duoing stuff.

[Komori]

Obviously they're not doing anything for you though, move them both to Bismarck. I promise you I'll get your jobs some cool stuff. I have PLD Body +1 and my Paladin is 13. I just collected them for the fun of it.

[Finuve]

Imma stop being an ass for a second and be serious, af+1 is very easy and very fun to make, if u are that far behind focus on that first, its also a great way to find more permanent ppl to run with, community is why this game made it as far as it did, embrace that amd ur gear and fun will go up

[Koroma]

Why don't you switch to Bismarck so I can help you out so you don't have to be the debbie downer of the forum? Or will you not accept help just because almost all of my jobs are abyss burned but decent?

Hes not being a debbie downer Evandis is just getting trolled really hard lol

[Komori]

Either way, if things aren't working for you in one spot, maybe try another. And he shouldn't let people get him riled up like that, it's the internet.

[Cahlum]

I dunno. I tried this setup twice and failed. I've got Brown Belt, full Tantra +2 (almost; Crown is only +1). Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Brutal Earring, Moonshade Earring, Afflictors, Calcitrant Stole, and Atheling Mantle. Maybe it's not OMG super duper, but it's still a solid set.

Did your SMN use Inferno howl? or were they using something else?

3 MNKs Inferno Howled and Perfect defense. use no WS until HF wears. You really cant lose, Inferno howl adds 30 dmg enfire to every attack.

[Kincard]

People wanted an epic fight for the 99 cap and now see how they back-peddle. Can't please all the people all the time I guess.

Personally, my problem with the fight exactly that it's not epic- it is, in a microcosm, pretty much everything wrong with what SE's concept of creativity and challenge in this game comes down to- trying to do things in a "traditional" matter makes it so that it's more or less a crap shoot, and then the majority of people take the path of least resistance, and people whine and complain about how they can't get into groups because they only leveled THF.

For something like a level cap, this really shouldn't be the case.

You know what would have been epic? Having stuff that actually requires you to know how to do interesting things with your job. Have the SCH fight involve self-skillchaining and self-bursting with magic before you can beat him, or have the NIN fight make him weaken you halfway through the battle so the only way out is to Mijin Gakure and have reraise up. And keep in mind, these are just examples off the top of my head, too...they had months to think about the 95=>99 cap, and they went with another boring "let's make another NM with huge damage that people will just PD zerg through".


I see this as more as a understaffed team working on the content. Its much easier to design a BC fight around a party rather then making unique AI for each job. Just shows you what kind of content we can exspect from now on.

I'll buy that they didn't do anything amazing because they're understaffed, but that's an excuse nonetheless. A valid one, sure. I just think it's hilarious that people think this somehow constitutes good game design only because we've been fed filler quests the last 4 times, so anything different seemed like they put an amazing amount of effort into it.

[Zarchery]

I feel like this is early CoP all over again. A lot of the same "It was easy you suck" attitudes were present back then. I have faith that SE will back down and make this easier, though I'm surprised they made it so hard to begin with. It's such a drastic reversal from the direction they were taking with Abyssea.

[Greatguardian]

I feel like this is early CoP all over again. A lot of the same "It was easy you suck" attitudes were present back then. I have faith that SE will back down and make this easier, though I'm surprised they made it so hard to begin with. It's such a drastic reversal from the direction they were taking with Abyssea.

Except this time it really is easy and people complaining about it probably do suck.

Do a /sea all. There are hundreds of people who got this done. I promise you they're not all elitists, elites, or even half-good players.

[Zarchery]

Except this time it really is easy and people complaining about it probably do suck.

Do a /sea all. There are hundreds of people who got this done. I promise you they're not all elitists, elites, or even half-good players.

I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

[FrankReynolds]

I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

I have to tell you, just reading this thread, it did sound like people were just being dicks at first, but after having done the fight, I can honestly say that if you have a whm (maybe even a red mage) and a competent pal, this fight is cake.

[Evandis]

I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

We all know he Monk + PD burned it anyway.

[Zarchery]

I have to tell you, just reading this thread, it did sound like people were just being dicks at first, but after having done the fight, I can honestly say that if you have a whm (maybe even a red mage) and a competent pal, this fight is cake.

But what if you don't? My first try had a PLD, and he went down like a ton of bricks after 2 back to back weapon skills.

[Greatguardian]

We all know he Monk + PD burned it anyway.

Like I said before, I've beaten it multiple times for multiple friends on multiple jobs - including my PLD.

Instead of pissing and moaning like a 12 year old girl getting her first period about the fight being too hard, maybe take 5 minutes to sit down and wonder what you could be doing better and go beat the damn thing already.

[detlef]

I am in a linkshell.

For now, I get seals faster with my THF and my wife's RDM duoing stuff.


Please drink some bleach.

The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

[Evandis]

The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

Actually, it's more shocking that some of you are married, since you have no compassion for your fellow man and just accuse them all of sucking, because they haven't beaten this fight.

This BCNM is BS for a limit break quest, and it's a crap shoot, unless you have 1 of 4 jobs out of the 20 total. Period.

Oh...and I am saying this even after I have beaten it.

[Greatguardian]

The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

There's only a certain level of "serious" I can take someone who registered on these forums for the sole purpose of bitching about a genkai. Pretty decent troll though, given how much this thread explodes every time he posts.

[Evandis]

Zarchery, my best advice since you have a MNK, is actually to MNK burn it. I know you tried already, but basically we went in 4 x MNK (most of us wearing the pink gear that supposedly is a no-no) with a DNC and a SMN with Alexander. PD + all 4 MNKs 2 houred right at the beginning and spammed multi-hit weapon skills. It literally was dead in 40 seconds, no deaths. The longest part was buffing up with Ifrit, Garuda and Alexander.

That being said, I really hope they tone this BCNM down, it's just a limit break quest.

[Unleashhell]

I am in a linkshell.

With who just you and your wife? If there are more has anyone in your LS won the fight? Are they helping you?

[Babygyrl]

ithink this fight is alot harder then it needed to be, the problem is you need Certain set up to win.. and thats not fair.. then when everyone has it cleared in a week others left be hind will be screwed because people dont help.

[Evandis]

I will be helping everyone I can, and happen to be on Ragnarok.

[detlef]

Actually, it's more shocking that some of you are married, since you have no compassion for your fellow man and just accuse them all of sucking, because they haven't beaten this fight.

This BCNM is BS for a limit break quest, and it's a crap shoot, unless you have 1 of 4 jobs out of the 20 total. Period.

Oh...and I am saying this even after I have beaten it.I've helped many people in my linkshell through the fight. I've had way too many bad experiences with shout groups to volunteer, so that's where my compassion ends. The best I can do is keep posting in this thread every time I beat it with a different setup.

Seriously though, I've never seen the rarab tail's effect wear off so I have no idea what it's like.

[ApocalypseNow]

24 pages of post, I'm sure someone mentioned this but incase someone didn't. A BST SOLOED THAT FIGHT! He used 60 Dark Mulsums. I went 1/1 in that fight. 3bst 3whm, all bst had 15 Dark Mulsums before we went in. I used 13, but i think my pet had hate half the fight. One of the whm was a guys mule we let come cause someone that joined our party originally didn't have the quest done.

[Koroma]

24 pages of post, I'm sure someone mentioned this but incase someone didn't. A BST SOLOED THAT FIGHT! He used 60 Dark Mulsums. I went 1/1 in that fight. 3bst 3whm, all bst had 15 Dark Mulsums before we went in. I used 13, but i think my pet had hate half the fight. One of the whm was a guys mule we let come cause someone that joined our party originally didn't have the quest done.

bst soloed it on the test server with epic-ness in 14+ mins so se reduced the time to 10 mins >.>

[Alhanelem]

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

[wildsprite]

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

~gets on soapbox~
if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty low, all you have with this is an overpowered, under thought up boss, I wanted a challenge, this is not a challenge, nor is it epic like some people seem to think, as for it being easy, if that were the case then it would be solo able with difficulty, but thus far I have not heard of anyone soloing it in the 10 minute time limit

thanks SE, truly, this fight is almost as much of a joke as the LBs after Maat were, it isn't fun, its not really a challenge, the challenge is finding the right help for it, please reconsider giving us a solo fight that is actually a real challenge

~gets off soapbox~

[Zeo]

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

We live in the microwave age of instant gratification. Of course people are going to wince at the slightest inkling of a challenge.

1/3 on this personally but to be fair one of our guys was 3-boxing.

[Greatguardian]

~gets on soapbox~
if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty low, all you have with this is an overpowered, under thought up boss, I wanted a challenge, this is not a challenge, nor is it epic like some people seem to think, as for it being easy, if that were the case then it would be solo able with difficulty, but thus far I have not heard of anyone soloing it in the 10 minute time limit

thanks SE, truly, this fight is almost as much of a joke as the LBs after Maat were, it isn't fun, its not really a challenge, the challenge is finding the right help for it, please reconsider giving us a solo fight that is actually a real challenge

~gets off soapbox~

It's not a challenge.

It's just not "Hey give me 5 kindred crests and play janken with me prz".

It's a nice medium. Of course people are going to lose once or twice. FFXI has never, ever, eveeeeerrrrr in a million years been a solo friendly game. Not even for a second. Sorry. You are not judged solely on your worth alone, but on the worth of the peers around you. If you are a gem among coal, you will turn black, ashen, and dull.

Truly great players inspire those around them to greatness. Don't blame the weak link for "making you lose", as others in this thread have tried to do. Instead, make that link stronger.

For all the self-absorbed victims in this thread, I see very few people actually communicating with other posters on their server and teaming up for this.

[Kincard]

Straw men, straw men, everywhere!

I'll just simplify my point thusly: There's lots and lots of group-related battles all over the damn game, ranging from laughably easy to challenging. I was really hoping they'd give us one last hurrah for the finish line for 99, but they pretty much phone it in with a pretty uninspired BF.

Oh well.

[Alhanelem]

if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty lowIt's not, but I'm being generous to the people that are having a hard time.

I failed my first try, only because the "tank" ran in and instantly got raped by some weaponskill the taru did before I could give him the buff that would help avoid something like that happening. The second time we won easily, when people were patient enough to allow us to prepare properly.

It is a challenge to the extent that for the average person, it is more difficult than whatever the average person was probably used to- but not by a whole lot. If people just buckle down and actually cooperate, then it's no problem.

I don't know why you and certain other people equate "challenge" and "hardest thing ever", though. This is far from the easiest BC fight in the game. By no means "hard," but if it's hard enough to stop stupid people, then it has a very slight bit of difficulty to it.

[SNK]

Smoked this fight with a PLD/WAR MNK/NIN BLU/NIN RDM/SCH WHM/BLM and NIN/DNC. Was pretty much cake once you realize that if you're dding and pulling hate off the PLD then you're gonna get raped.

[Raxiaz]

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

For the record I am 3/3 on the original RDM Maat for friends. I bet 99% of you would have been the WHM levelers.

I want a challenging BCNM, not a BCNM that forces me to level jobs I am not interested in.

EDIT: Got my Monk from 75 to 95 last night after 3 years of stagnation. Grabbed some Elshena and am on my way to skill-up H2H to cap. Then I will go ahead and PD MNK burn it and then come in here and talk about how easy it was and how much the rest of you suck.

I went 1/1 on RDM Maat on my Elvaan alternate. He's not that hard. Most people who have trouble with that battle probably don't have capped magic skills nor any experience with the kite/nuke strategy.

[Evandis]

Even Monk burn isn't guaranteed. Setup 4 Monks (2 99s a linkshell member and myself and 2 95s) SMN with PD and RDM (wife who needs). 0/2 on this setup...it seems his defense/attack power varies from BCNM to BCNM.

[Karbuncle]

Replace one of the Monks with a BRD, and You'll win pretty easily.

Have SMN use Ifrit's Enfire
BRD Soul Voice March or Minuet (if they're using Hundred Fists, Then Minuet)
SMN then uses PD > Everyone rape

The enfire really is the key, nearly doubles your damage because of his per hit cap.. My group was pretty meh, But we won by the skin of our teeth. Zerging is a bit difficult, But it doesn't even require MNKs.

WAR with Ridill/Joy/Axe/etc Would work, Even M.Sword
DRG or SAM with a Quint Spear
DRK with Bahamut's Zagnel

So even two handed jobs have the opportunity to be useful, Especially if you can get a BRD for Soul Voice March. MNK, THF, Etc work wonders cause they have all 1 handed weapons with high skill in them, So they don't need much maint.

I mean, the fight is a little rough, But i think everyone has a chance to win, Pretty much any jobs can work so long as they aren't DERPBROS. Even PLD/NIN can work in the Zerg, Dual Wield/etc. Use Vorpal Blade, Joyeuse Offhand.

[Ravenmore]

One problem with your strategy, the taru can and does often spam light skillchains, back to back with-in seconds on top of a third Asuran. All it took was for luck to go in the other direction for you and drop your tank and the fight goes from easy and controlled to a full wipe.

Take a blu we get a crap ton of stun spells, with the best lasting 6 secs.


Just to add I will be abusing the ever living hell out of the tails with the mana burn set up to catch those in my LS up that couldn't get it when we went the first time.

[Alhanelem]

Even if you dont use perfect defense for some reason, a summoner with Inferno Howl will DRASTICALLY increase your party's damage output due to the damage cap.

[Riggs]

I think the problem with fights like these is that it forces people to play jobs they may have leveled but not have the best gear for or skills.
Thf is my main, i have capped skills and good gear, i got lucky i got to go as thf and we kicked butt, however if i was told we already have a thf what else do you have and i had to go war or drk or bst then my damage would have been like half what my thf can pump out.

To sum up if you can't do this with your main job your prob not going to win

[Corres]

if you don't know about a 6-man-setup for a difficult fight then you obviously still need to learn a lot.
This Fight is a challenge, but not broken hard. Pick your jobs that you need and figure out a strategy.

[Whippet]

So much crying

[Unleashhell]

Even Monk burn isn't guaranteed. Setup 4 Monks (2 99s a linkshell member and myself and 2 95s) SMN with PD and RDM (wife who needs). 0/2 on this setup...it seems his defense/attack power varies from BCNM to BCNM.


I did it 3x MNK DNC SMN and WHM. WHM was hardly needed but needed the win regardless. A RDM can easily fill that spot.