SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

[Crawlerbasher]

1/2 on the fight went 6x bst/nin

We set our pets on to it and then kited it around when it 2hr.
After that we all ganged up on it pets and master a like.
Dawn masulim is a must for bst in this set up.

Would not want to do that fight again, for no one, its a royle pain in the butt.

[svengalis]

I went 1/1 on RDM Maat on my Elvaan alternate. He's not that hard. Most people who have trouble with that battle probably don't have capped magic skills nor any experience with the kite/nuke strategy.

He's talking about back in 2001-05 when it took more the a month to reach 75. Most people back then had capped magic and played a lot better then the ff XI crew of today. I fought rdm maat like 20 times at least before I gave up. I asked ls mates who had beat rdm maat to beat him for me and they wouldn't do it. Now you can say I suck all you want but if the fight wasn't to hard then SE wouldn't have nerfed him.

[svengalis]

Even Monk burn isn't guaranteed. Setup 4 Monks (2 99s a linkshell member and myself and 2 95s) SMN with PD and RDM (wife who needs). 0/2 on this setup...it seems his defense/attack power varies from BCNM to BCNM.

If you had 4 monks with perfect defense and lost you guys did it wrong. I went 0-4 with random setups last night. We then switched to 3 monks 2 smn and whm. Went in got enfire buffs from fenrir all monks engaged smn PD we all 2 hour within mind he's dead. The only problem with this fight for your standard party setup is the time limit.

[svengalis]

Replace one of the Monks with a BRD, and You'll win pretty easily.

Have SMN use Ifrit's Enfire
BRD Soul Voice March or Minuet (if they're using Hundred Fists, Then Minuet)
SMN then uses PD > Everyone rape

The enfire really is the key, nearly doubles your damage because of his per hit cap.. My group was pretty meh, But we won by the skin of our teeth. Zerging is a bit difficult, But it doesn't even require MNKs.

WAR with Ridill/Joy/Axe/etc Would work, Even M.Sword
DRG or SAM with a Quint Spear
DRK with Bahamut's Zagnel

So even two handed jobs have the opportunity to be useful, Especially if you can get a BRD for Soul Voice March. MNK, THF, Etc work wonders cause they have all 1 handed weapons with high skill in them, So they don't need much maint.

I mean, the fight is a little rough, But i think everyone has a chance to win, Pretty much any jobs can work so long as they aren't DERPBROS. Even PLD/NIN can work in the Zerg, Dual Wield/etc. Use Vorpal Blade, Joyeuse Offhand.
Don't need brd or whm for this fight 3 mnks with fresh 2hours and smn will win everytime and will do it in under 4 minutes.

[RAIST]

Just logged in to check our server: 2867 people on line.... 1301 on jobs level 96-99, 688 of those are already level 99.

That's not accounting for people like myself and 2 othe friends that got the win last night on jobs that were level 91-93 and haven't even hit 96-99 yet.

And no.. we didn't MNK or SMN or BLM burn it. We didn't use 2 hours. The only "exceptional" thing we did was the old sleep-pots/op neck for TP before the fight thing and had a really good PLD tank. All else was just a standard COP crag fight sort of strategy with the olde rarerab tail. 1/1 on win for us... 6:47. Not a spectacular win time, but was a straightforward fight for us.

Really people....making this harder than it needs to be.

Oh, and our party that went 1/1 last night was SCH, BST, THF, DRK, MNK, PLD (half were 91-93)... and no one used their 2-hours.

[Niklz]

Suffering through Maat back in the day should have hardened your skin for something like this.

[Ravenmore]

Suffering through Maat back in the day should have hardened your skin for something like this.

Rdm maat was the only one that was a that hard. I went 1/1 on drg in late 2005 my rdm friend went 1/9 the same month I got my win. Any DD job was not that hard, whm easy, pld easy, thf easy to annoying if you tried just stealing. My "slow" friend went 1/2 on mnk only cause he timed out Buffing, yeah thats right he spent the whole time at the start buffing didn't even hit maat.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I really can't call a fight you can win using multiple strategies as hard.

I seriously think you have to fall asleep or fulltime pink or something to lose multiple times to this.

[Vazerus]

This fight was pretty easy:
2x RDM/SCH (gimp skillz since we don't use it, ever)
1x BLM/RDM
1x BLU/RDM

RDM: sabateur bio III and poison II
Olde Rarab Tail
RDM: Chainspell nuke, convert, nuke
BLM: Bewm
BLU: Azure Lore skillchain

Won without running out of mp, although we did all convert once aside from the BLU.

[SNK]

Too bad you beat a nerfed version. So I'M not impressed.

Anyone who beat this on a standard setup is LUCKY, not skilled. It means you didn't get the back to back light skill chains plus another Asuran on top of it with-in 5 seconds on your tank. Lucky. Not skilled.

No, We just weren't stupid enough to rip hate off the tank when we did it. Good Teamwork and being patient is what made the win for us.

Oh and the PLD who tanked for us had a 95 Aegis along with a full -38% PDT in gear on. He pretty much wore straight up turtle-tanking gear instead of thinking that he was gonna be able to eat anything he threw.

RDM/SCH threw up Stoneskin AoE on us, BLU kept headbutting him during his two hour and the WHM constantly kept Barfira up along with Regen on our tank that it was probably the smoothest 1st time BC fight I'd done in a long time.

The more I thought about this fight, I could probably do it on my PLD as well and I don't have an Ochain or an Aegis. If people are pissing & crying this hard over this then please by all means keep crying or as some people have said already.... suck less. :|

[Ravenmore]

PD zerg is no different then a item fight. In fact the it let you fight it with all mage or just what ever you have on hand which is great. Still was fun nuking a little taru down into the ground while he runs around reminds me of the orc tower or dyna sandy.

[saevel]

No, We just weren't stupid enough to rip hate off the tank when we did it. Good Teamwork and being patient is what made the win for us.

Oh and the PLD who tanked for us had a 95 Aegis along with a full -38% PDT in gear on. He pretty much wore straight up turtle-tanking gear instead of thinking that he was gonna be able to eat anything he threw.

RDM/SCH threw up Stoneskin AoE on us, BLU kept headbutting him during his two hour and the WHM constantly kept Barfira up along with Regen on our tank that it was probably the smoothest 1st time BC fight I'd done in a long time.

The more I thought about this fight, I could probably do it on my PLD as well and I don't have an Ochain or an Aegis. If people are pissing & crying this hard over this then please by all means keep crying or as some people have said already.... suck less. :|

It's not about sucking, the Taru is cheap. He can at any point in time just kill someone, PLD tanks included. The chances of him just killing you go up the lower his HP is. If you had a PLD tank and he survived the fight, doesn't mean that everyone else sucks, only that your rolled well on your dice. The Taru didn't decide to do three to four WS's within the span of five to six seconds. When I did mine it was MNK MNK BLU (me) THF WHM SMN. We Crimson Howl + PD and ran in and 2hr'd him. Got him to under 30% when PD wore and within seconds both me and the THF were dead. I went from 100% HP with shadows up to dead before I could blink, didn't even have time to hit my Flashga macro. Not only that, but the THF also died during that time, it was so fast that it took me a second to register that it even happened. Thankfully we had read stories about him doing that and had an emergency plan that we immediately put into practice. WHM tossed his tail out the moment someone hit 0 HP. I RR'd and hit him with stuns or regurgitation while the 2 MNK's kept hitting him. He was down to less then 15% when the first tail wore and I immediately used mine (as we planned). he got one Ws off before he was running again. We killed him shortly thereafter.

So 1/1, does that mean we "kick ass" and everyone else needs to "suck less", absolutely not. It means we went in with plan A to zerg it but also had backup plan. Three of our members brought tails, just in case. I had set the required spells so that I could delay him while he zigzags all over the place. I even had a contingency plan to kite his a$$ around in circles should the situation get dire enough.

My only advice is to bring 3 tails. You may not need all three, you may not even need one, but should he decide to go cheap and start instantly killing people, you will be glad you brought them.

[Neisan_Quetz]

1/1 died in 1 min 10 seconds of fighting after using PD same strat...

We had a brd mule though, but he gave attack songs for the mnks and I was the only one with marches.


mnk/mnk/blu/brd/smn/whm (brd and whm were mules).

[svengalis]

No, We just weren't stupid enough to rip hate off the tank when we did it. Good Teamwork and being patient is what made the win for us.

Oh and the PLD who tanked for us had a 95 Aegis along with a full -38% PDT in gear on. He pretty much wore straight up turtle-tanking gear instead of thinking that he was gonna be able to eat anything he threw.

RDM/SCH threw up Stoneskin AoE on us, BLU kept headbutting him during his two hour and the WHM constantly kept Barfira up along with Regen on our tank that it was probably the smoothest 1st time BC fight I'd done in a long time.

The more I thought about this fight, I could probably do it on my PLD as well and I don't have an Ochain or an Aegis. If people are pissing & crying this hard over this then please by all means keep crying or as some people have said already.... suck less. :|
When your tank gets one shotted because of asuran fists you have no choice but to pull hate.

[Kalilla]

I haven't been reading this thread but I figured I'd drop in to tell you my setup.

I've won this fight twice with this setup:

PLD > WHM (me) > BLU > THF > BLM > BLM

and the 2nd time we replaced blm with a drg that needed help.

First time the PLD used his Ochain and 2nd time I asked him to try w/o it to see if it made or break (since I've been hearing that was the only way to win this fight) and it went just as well.

The PLD's HP went up and down quite a bit but if your WHM is paying attention and on top of things I think it isn't too bad. I personally subbed RDM because I felt that I would need the extra MP pool and it did help a lot.

Really no huge strategy besides go in, fight, and keep the tank alive. Also the BLM's nukes didn't do much at all.

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Personally I think Perfect Defense should of been deactivated for this fight. I said it after they announced it being a battle and still stand by what I said. I think it's very broken and a very cheap way to defeat your enemy, but that's just me.

I understand others might have to end up relying on such strategy to win and that's okay with me, I have no issue with that. I am simply stating my opinion on what I think about PD is all.

[Evandis]

No, We just weren't stupid enough to rip hate off the tank when we did it. Good Teamwork and being patient is what made the win for us.

Oh and the PLD who tanked for us had a 95 Aegis along with a full -38% PDT in gear on. He pretty much wore straight up turtle-tanking gear instead of thinking that he was gonna be able to eat anything he threw.

RDM/SCH threw up Stoneskin AoE on us, BLU kept headbutting him during his two hour and the WHM constantly kept Barfira up along with Regen on our tank that it was probably the smoothest 1st time BC fight I'd done in a long time.

The more I thought about this fight, I could probably do it on my PLD as well and I don't have an Ochain or an Aegis. If people are pissing & crying this hard over this then please by all means keep crying or as some people have said already.... suck less. :|

So, what you meant to say was. "I'm really not that good and I was lucky to find an Aegis PLD which literally can almost solo this mob if he didn't run out of time from lack of damage." Gotcha.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I read "Take it slow, don't be braindead fight isn't that hard"

[Luvbunny]

Personally I think Perfect Defense should of been deactivated for this fight. I said it after they announced it being a battle and still stand by what I said. I think it's very broken and a very cheap way to defeat your enemy, but that's just me.

I understand others might have to end up relying on such strategy to win and that's okay with me, I have no issue with that. I am simply stating my opinion on what I think about PD is all.

Perfect Defense only works well if your summoner has summon magic high enough - low magic seems not working well since the taru would tear the DD apart. Your DD also need weapon skills over 320 ish or they would not be able to deal enough damage in 90 seconds and will get murdered one by one. Enfire is the key - so rdm, sch or summoner need to have their respective magic skills high enough to deal good damage.

A lot of strategies works - but you have to bring a minimum of 4 competent players and 2 casual corners. 6 casual corners will have tough time with this bcnm. Even the beastmaster x 6 is not guaranteed if your beastmasters just leveled the job last weekend or barely have enough gears (and not full merit the job). Participants need to bring food, meds, and in some cases "rarab tails" item. This bcnm can be cakewalk or frustrating one. If you used up all your 2 hours and need to recharge - just bring your party to aby and get ISL or if you happen to have revitalizer in aby, now it is the time to use it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Perfect Defense isn't affected by summoning skill...
Howl is though.

[Luvbunny]

So, what you meant to say was. "I'm really not that good and I was lucky to find an Aegis PLD which literally can almost solo this mob if he didn't run out of time from lack of damage." Gotcha.

Overall the common strategies are:
- bring 6 tails, use them one by one and mana burn this.
- bring a job that can do damage mitigation and give you enfire (summoner works with high summon magic)
- bring 4 monks and smn and sch (only works if the players have high weapon skills, summon magic, and enhancing)
- 6 beastmaster with 5-10 dawn muslums for each of the beastmaster
- bring normal party set up of players with competent skills and pld with Aegis and a couple tails for emergency
- multi hits weapon skills works the best, jobs dual wield with low delay weapons + enfire
- bring 6 summoner with Ifrit, Titan, Ramuh (titan to earthen ward, ifrit + ramuh for enspells and stun) and a couple tails
- above all, need competent players who at least understand their jobs (merited the jobs) and have good gears.

[Karbuncle]

Don't need brd or whm for this fight 3 mnks with fresh 2hours and smn will win everytime and will do it in under 4 minutes.

I'm more than aware of this my friend.

but half the thread is complaining only certain jobs can win the fight, I was only making a point that MNK Burn isn't the only way to zerg-win.

[SNK]

When your tank gets one shotted because of asuran fists you have no choice but to pull hate.

When your tank rushes in without either Flashing, Defender, or throwing up Sentinal then he deserves to get one shotted. With the option of so much -PDT gear out there you can get, How people suck at this is beyond me.

[SNK]

So, what you meant to say was. "I'm really not that good and I was lucky to find an Aegis PLD which literally can almost solo this mob if he didn't run out of time from lack of damage." Gotcha.

Can't really say I found him seeing as I'd known that Aegis PLD since 2004. I tried it again without him and did it on my own PLD. Just came in wearing full -PDT gear and turtle tanked that taru like a pro. Point hasn't changed no matter who has what gear. Don't try and be stupid and use your head instead of thinking that you can just either run in and zerg it or halfass it. It's the final limit break fight so of course it's going to be a challange. He's an easy fight if you do it right which people have explained to you in this thread not once but multiple times.

P.S. I was one of the 1st NA RDMs on Fairy to beat Maat on RDM. It took me two tries to do it.



Suck Less.

[Unleashhell]

Man if people are still having issues with this fight imagine how much crying is gonna happen when they try to get into an exp pt in Abyssea and have to run all over to out claim the other 150 people in the zones... I'm still waiting for the "Abyssea is too crowded after updates" thread... >.>

[svengalis]

When your tank rushes in without either Flashing, Defender, or throwing up Sentinal then he deserves to get one shotted. With the option of so much -PDT gear out there you can get, How people suck at this is beyond me.

Well I will say this I think this fight is too hard for you average FF XI player who doesn't use the weakened items.

[cidbahamut]

Well I will say this I think this fight is too hard for you average FF XI player who doesn't use the weakened items.

Your average FFXI player is pants-on-head retarded and absolutely terrible at this game.

[svengalis]

Okay so I had to do this fight twice.(for my alternate to) Went in with MNK, SAM, WHM, NIN, BST, RDM. Really didn't stand a chance. Wipped before 50% I was hesitant to go in again but someone left. Now I could blame the RDM who wasn't healing but I won't cause I figured we wouldn't win anyway especially after I saw 2 people basically get one shotted. Now lets remember I do these fights with no weakened items. So we did a little change up. MNK leaves so had other 2 switch to BST. So now we have 3 BST, WHM, SAM, and a nice Aegis PLD that decided to just help us out. We win no problem. Why? because the PLD never went below 800 hp. I still think this fight is too hard for your average FF XI player.

[svengalis]

Your average FFXI player is pants-on-head retarded and absolutely terrible at this game.

Or they just don't have the uber gear to stay alive from this Taru's attacks.

[cidbahamut]

Or they just don't have the uber gear to stay alive from this Taru's attacks.

No, they're just bad at the game. It's not the lack of uber gear, it's the lack of knowing how to properly use what they do have available to them. Odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even know what a PDT or MDT set is, much less actually bother to maintain one. Hell, odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even bother to swap gear.

There are lots of people who play FFXI who are simply not very good at it.

[Zeo]

No, they're just bad at the game. It's not the lack of uber gear, it's the lack of knowing how to properly use what they do have available to them. Odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even know what a PDT or MDT set is, much less actually bother to maintain one. Hell, odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even bother to swap gear.

There are lots of people who play FFXI who are simply not very good at it.

Yeah, cuz like uh... gear swapping is cheating.... 'n stuff.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Have SMN use Ifrit's EnfireI dropped unthunder myself, it was fairly effective as well. I forgot enfire even existed. lol

[Teraniku]

Just completed this today, beat it with 6 seconds to spare and an almost full Party wipe. Garuda came through in the end. I'm glad it was this difficult of a fight as any final limit break should be.

[svengalis]

No, they're just bad at the game. It's not the lack of uber gear, it's the lack of knowing how to properly use what they do have available to them. Odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even know what a PDT or MDT set is, much less actually bother to maintain one. Hell, odds are good that any randomly selected FFXI player won't even bother to swap gear.

There are lots of people who play FFXI who are simply not very good at it.

Lack of inventory space might also have something to do with it.

[hiko]

I still think this fight is too hard for your average FF XI player is too bad at this game.
FTFY

Lack of inventory space might also have something to do with it.

porter moogle (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Porter_Moogle)
+ same account sendable item
= only augmented gear are stuck in your inventory

if you actually play PLD and don't have DT sets you're doing it wrong

[saevel]

Overall the common strategies are:
- bring 6 tails, use them one by one and mana burn this.
- bring a job that can do damage mitigation and give you enfire (summoner works with high summon magic)
- bring 4 monks and smn and sch (only works if the players have high weapon skills, summon magic, and enhancing)
- 6 beastmaster with 5-10 dawn muslums for each of the beastmaster
- bring normal party set up of players with competent skills and pld with Aegis and a couple tails for emergency
- multi hits weapon skills works the best, jobs dual wield with low delay weapons + enfire
- bring 6 summoner with Ifrit, Titan, Ramuh (titan to earthen ward, ifrit + ramuh for enspells and stun) and a couple tails
- above all, need competent players who at least understand their jobs (merited the jobs) and have good gears.

Won't argue with this, but it does need to be mentioned that just because you fail doesn't mean you played bad. Fought him a few more times and he can be really random. This is very similar to the RDM Maat fight. It could go smoothly, or Maat could just decide to rip your face off no matter what you do.

[MAXWINTER]

Not at this fight yet but will be soon, compared to alexander was at 75 is this fight harder than that?
ark angel paladin (on its own/not in group) is probley the boss i hated most in the game.

[Logandor]

Ouchy >.< went in fully ego'd up and buffed as whm, blm, pld, war, rng, and nin. Boy did that smart. Used 3 tails in hopes of living and surviving for pld to two hour. No go. Just figured I'd let you guys know that our group didn't fair too well. We refarming and trying again another night. I was on whm casting cures, stuns, and haste sense I buffed us before going in. Any suggestions? We are thinking of changing out a few jobs for a mnk and smn for next time. Our thoughts were to go in having pld tank nin and war behind him beating the hell outta him. Blm and rng attack while we used tails. We will also be restrat because that plan didn't pan out obviously. My job was to keep pld alive and toss occasional cures to the others but only got two cures off. >.< I feel horrible but dusting off grabbing that horse and trying again tomorrow.
Also I had gone two other times with other groups of people and yeah even on whm still didn't win. Granted no smn in any of the three groups but figured I'd let you all know. Yes I did use barfira.

[Krashport]

These setups I've did and won 100%

Setup 1.) PLD,MNK,PUP Set AU to RNG WHMx2 SMN w/ Alex fight took 5mins and 20sec "used item"

Setup 2.) MNKx2 WHM SMN w/ Alex THF, umm one MNK will die! XD 2min "did not use item"

Hope it helps, If ya on Odin and need help look me up I'm game if nothing is going down w/in my shell. ^^b

[Psxpert2011]

Maat took me 3 or 4 tries to beat. Each time I had to farm a new MNK testimony.

I think the greater failing with this fight is that it's not solo like Maat, so you gotta keep worrying about getting a new party.

Ah, the classic Maat fight. I wold of loved it if it was against Degenhart but it's about time SE did something different for the limit-break.



I'm glad it was such a fight as it is. Much better than some stupid "Collect X amount of item Y and shit an egg".

And people aren't going to quit over this. Not anybody we would miss anyways. If they didn't leave because of any of the previous REAL Genkai quests, they won't leave because of a beefed up Taru Maat.


True, so true!



The fight is fun, it's just a bit of a challenge, that's all. Have fun while you do it.


Haven't done it yet cuz I just started the farming part but looking forward to the fun! Oh, congrats incase you made the achievement!

^^*



I must admit. It's funny watching a NIN somehow get one shot at full HP with 5 shadows by Asuran Fists



Wish I could've saw that!




I'm just a little upset that there isn't a solo final fight.


If they did, it would be just as hard or harder. I would have to repeat someone's quote and say, "seperate the boys from the men" and approach final content in a mature way. If i don't have trouble getting pass this, there's not a thing to talk about or memories to cherish for days to come.



You guys really had to make the lvl 99 limit break this hard? really? i can tell yall this ppl are gonna quit casue of this watch and see hes too dang strong. You guys really better rethink this casue in 2months when we finaly do get done with him what yall do for the new comers? ever think bout that at this rate once ppl beat him they arnt gonna offer the new players help on it thus killin the games growth atleast lower this bcnm tarus power by atleast 20-30% so we can be done with it.


ROFL-LMAO!!! (noobs, go back to noob-school and get on the fail boat and go to failsville,lol...quoting Kalo from limit break radio, you guys still rock!)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not at this fight yet but will be soon, compared to alexander was at 75 is this fight harder than that?
ark angel paladin (on its own/not in group) is probley the boss i hated most in the game.No, this fight is a joke compaired to Alex when he first came out.

[Puck]

I beat this fight on my first try with like 4 gimpy 'tards in the party. It's not that hard.

[Ezikiel]

i went 1for1 on the fight yes this seprates the noobs that think anything can be zerged lol. ytakes skill to win buthe isnt that hard we didnt even use KI to win

[SpankWustler]

It's actually not that hard at all.

This joke was much funnier in my head. Still, I must forge ahead.

[Runespider]

i went 1for1 on the fight yes this seprates the noobs that think anything can be zerged lol. ytakes skill to win buthe isnt that hard we didnt even use KI to win

Perfect defence isn't skill, neither is taking 4 bst. If you take a normal setup then it takes some common sense and a pld that has actually tanked something worthwhile but that's about it. It's not a fight that takes skillful players.

[Ethereal]

This is exactly what abyssea did to people.

[FrankReynolds]

This is exactly what abyssea did to people.

I blame all the newfangled advanced jobs. Ever since they implemented ninja sam drg etc. the game has been too easy. Now everyone is soft.

[svengalis]

Ouchy >.< went in fully ego'd up and buffed as whm, blm, pld, war, rng, and nin. Boy did that smart. Used 3 tails in hopes of living and surviving for pld to two hour. No go. Just figured I'd let you guys know that our group didn't fair too well. We refarming and trying again another night. I was on whm casting cures, stuns, and haste sense I buffed us before going in. Any suggestions? We are thinking of changing out a few jobs for a mnk and smn for next time. Our thoughts were to go in having pld tank nin and war behind him beating the hell outta him. Blm and rng attack while we used tails. We will also be restrat because that plan didn't pan out obviously. My job was to keep pld alive and toss occasional cures to the others but only got two cures off. >.< I feel horrible but dusting off grabbing that horse and trying again tomorrow.
Also I had gone two other times with other groups of people and yeah even on whm still didn't win. Granted no smn in any of the three groups but figured I'd let you all know. Yes I did use barfira.

ah nevermind.

[svengalis]

i went 1for1 on the fight yes this seprates the noobs that think anything can be zerged lol. ytakes skill to win buthe isnt that hard we didnt even use KI to win

It doesn't take skill if you use Alex and yes it can be zerged if you use Alex...

[svengalis]

I blame all the newfangled advanced jobs. Ever since they implemented ninja sam drg etc. the game has been too easy. Now everyone is soft.

What? Well that would mean the game has always been easy if you were here at NA launch.

[Xtrasweettea]

This fight wasn't too difficult. It did take out of the box thinking and preparation.

The setup we had was:
BST
BLU
x4 BLMs

Items used:
Two tails

We had the BST sic the pet on the taru. She used a tail on the boss. While the boss ran around, the BLMs nuked it down to 20%. Once it stopped running, the BLU stunned the boss, the BLMs used Enmity Douse, and the BLU used the second tail. Then the BLMs finished off the boss.

Took 2 minutes, 42 seconds. No one was hit other than the BST pet.

[svengalis]

This fight wasn't too difficult. It did take out of the box thinking and preparation.

The setup we had was:
BST
BLU
x4 BLMs

Items used:
Two tails

We had the BST sic the pet on the taru. She used a tail on the boss. While the boss ran around, the BLMs nuked it down to 20%. Once it stopped running, the BLU stunned the boss, the BLMs used Enmity Douse, and the BLU used the second tail. Then the BLMs finished off the boss.

Took 2 minutes, 42 seconds. No one was hit other than the BST pet.

It is difficult if you don't use tails, all BST, Relic Shield PLD or have PD SMN.

[Neisan_Quetz]

So it's hard if you go in with x6 PUP, gotcha.

[Ravenmore]

You don't get anything special for not using the item so why not use it to get past it. Guess what everyone can get one.

[Komori]

People have killed him easily with the rat tail and without. Tail =/= win. I wish people wouldn't think that just because you have six tails you have a surefire win the same way I wish people wouldn't lock certain job spots in. As said before; it can be cleared by any group with some actual thought and preparation. If it's really that bad, maybe wait a few days to a week and collect some better gear? It won't kill you to maybe go out and cap some weapons and collect a few better things then try again with less hassle and headache.

[Karbuncle]

So it's hard if you go in with x6 PUP, gotcha.

Even though said as a Joke, 6x PUP could likely win this, If they all used the WHM Frame :P

PUP has pretty respectable eva.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I did :/ but considering the people complaining about it and the 'conditions' they consistently lose in, I can't have nothing but contempt for them. Or pity. Probably pity.

If you're consistently losing this fight without attempting a new strat, a change of setup etc., The problem may not the BC and may lie with you and your group.

[Luvbunny]

Even though said as a Joke, 6x PUP could likely win this, If they all used the WHM Frame :P

PUP has pretty respectable eva.

Maybe 5 pups + Scholar, have Sch (with good enhancing magic) give you enfire + firestorm, + stoneskin + embrava + ice spikes, use 3 blms pup and 2 whms frame just in case - make sure all automaton have enthunder and you are capped hand to hand, eat attack food. Howling Fist that shitaru and use your rarab tail. That may work - until he starts one shot each pups. You can also switch Sch with a Summoner if you wanna play it safe - and go Enfire Ifrit, Ice Spike Shiva, Fenrir buff, and Perfect Defense.

[Concerned4FFxi]

The tail should give the taru mnk (maat's master, and bb quest npc) the terror effect, not make him run all over. The fights only 10 minutes long, having the mnk run away is a pretty dumb idea for an enfeeblement.

[Logandor]

Well all this morning I started restrat the fight and yeah. Lesson learned is all that needs to be said because my strats went right out the freaking window last night. I was trying to go over them with the groups and yeah no go. Why won't people listen to someone who spent sense the update all the way upto that day strat a fight is beyond me at this point. Refarming another bone and fang then going to go level a different job. -.- I am still really disappointed but going off ain't going to do crap to get through to people so just going to go back to working on pup. If any one on my server wants to redo this fun fight I'd be more then willing to go, hell I'd be estatic, but already I've read that for the most part once people got done they aren't touching him again from my server so oh well. Think I'll ask a friend to duo with me to 95 then we will farm our gear, weapon trials, and reskill/ merit out our jobs. (whm/sch & pup/whm or pup/blm or pup/dnc or pup/nin) For the most part me and him been old schooling it so we learn the jobs screw that aby burning nonsense. No offense to aby burners I just believe learning the job makes the difference over burning and not knowing how certain skills work.

Thanks guys for your help in strats by the way. Most of you were really nice. Have fun at 99 and hopefully one day see you all there myself. XD

[Cyrusskorrey]

I found this fight challenging but in a good way in a "Hey you need to analyze and think before you attempt this fight" kind of way.
Personally i think any Seasoned Adventurer will have little trouble overcoming this fight.
Maybe that's why the item you need is called a "Seasoning stone" ( 'v')b
Maybe you're losing because you need more time in the cooking pot? Maybe it's because you're not quiet ready yet.

I want to thank the Dev. team for going back to the way the game should be. I want a challenge, i want to scream
at my screen and say "DUDE WTH... NOOO" because if a game cant challenge you then it is not a game. Abyssea is not a game. Abyssea is the Sandbox of FFXI a tool to let players enjoy the game without the hardcore challenges that the full game provides.

If something like the Limit Break 10 Battle makes players quit then the community is better off without that player.

If you need something to be angry about talk about the so-called "easy-item" that is suppose to make the fight easier.
my team ended up not using it because of what it does.

and that's Cyrusskorrey's two cents.

[svengalis]

You don't get anything special for not using the item so why not use it to get past it. Guess what everyone can get one.

I didn't want waste my time farming the items knowing I could loose even if I had it.

[Babekeke]

The rabbit tail is only useful if not relying on melees to do your damage, or if you pop it as a last resort to cure bomb everyone back to full, or let the mages rest. If you're using melees to do damage and you pop a tail, you've lost most of your damage during that time from chasing him around.

If you were relying on PD HF and you use a tail, you've lost.

Also, I'm quite surprised at just how many people are struggling to find this 1337 setup of monks and a PD smn, considering that abyssea means most people have lots of different jobs levelled.

Admittedly, some 95 mnks don't have asuran, as they leeched to cap, then got their LS to get them a Vere, so it was never an issue, and not all smn bothered to get alex yet even though he has been around for a while.

However, I went in for a 2nd run to help a friend and we got 3 mnks, rdm smn and me. I was going to go as thf (you only need 3 mnks to win if they're half-decent) since my mnk isn't well geared, and at 95 only had ~320 H2H skill. It turned out though that 2 mnks were only 91, and the 95 monk didn't have asuran and was all in pink, so I went on mnk too after killing a mob to put me at 96.

My level 91 mnk friend pulled hate from me about half way through the fight as he was much better geared than I was, also I lost some of my HF time because the rdm cast enfeeble right at start and pulled hate as we were about to hit him, so we had to chase him for a couple of seconds.

Anyway, we won with some gimped people so just goes to show that as long as you get an alex smn, any mnks will do for this. Just don't wear your haste gear during HF FFS, unless it's also the best acc gear you have too. (I had 7% haste equipped >.>)

[svengalis]

The tail should give the taru mnk (maat's master, and bb quest npc) the terror effect, not make him run all over. The fights only 10 minutes long, having the mnk run away is a pretty dumb idea for an enfeeblement.

It is also, if you go with an all melee setup and no stun what's the point in even bringing one.

[hiko]

The tail should give the taru mnk (maat's master, and bb quest npc) the terror effect, not make him run all over. The fights only 10 minutes long, having the mnk run away is a pretty dumb idea for an enfeeblement.

no, that will make the fight way to easy, duobale by any decent DD+DD with 2 tails (since it also remove dmg limit)

It is also, if you go with an all melee setup and no stun what's the point in even bringing one.

remove dmg limit? use at start, let him run( run also if you dont want to be hit), when he stop fight like if you didnt use it but doing a lot more dmg or just use it when he HF

[HimuraKenshyn]

Man with the olde rarab tail my 2 mules won easily with a pickup that included a 91 BLM lol. So 3 BLM, 1 Cor, and 2 Blu completed it in 5 minutes. We used 2 tails and had 1 death the B,LM that didn't use his tail fast enough lol. So really not that bad at all if you get tails even a gimp group can win blms dressed in teal ftw lol.

[Zero-Hour]

I agree with the OP that this fight is way too hard. For those that don't want to party with complete strangers or train the only jobs that are acceptable the level cap will stay firmly nailed down at 95.

This fight should be tactical and soloable. Once the rush has died down people will never be able to complete it, or forced to pay mercenary linkshells 1m gil or whatever for a clear.

I fight is a groupl of 4 and will NEVER move outside that. We have now accepted that we will remain at 95 for the forseeable future.

I find it bazaar that SE is simplifying the game in all directions and then throw this in at this late stage.

[HimuraKenshyn]

You can't farm up the items for tails are you that bad? Lol man if my mules can get the win with a group of gimps and just used 2 tails to win its beyond me how anyone can't win the fight lol.

At least its not like COP back in the day now that was level X job just to win the level 30. Most jobs can unlock rng and easily /rng for the win if they have marksmanship or archery leveled but from what i am reading many may not lol.

[scaevola]

No melee in a tail strat? Is he for some reason immune to gravity despite being susceptible to like every other debuff?

Honest question, actually; I don't know, because I cleared it friday night after my shell got fed up with waiting for certain people to log on or for an FBone to drop (how many IT+s do I have to solo to show how commited I am to making the LB fight as easy as possible?) and went MNK/MNK/MNK/NIN/NIN/SMN. Many lols were had.

Again, the fight's not inappropriately difficult, but the clock is definitely ticking; shouts for LB groups by Sunday night were (predictably) waaaaay down from where they were Friday.

In a related story, Tachi: Shoha is hilarious.

[Greatguardian]

Tachi: Shoha is hilarious. So is Last Stand. I was unimpressed with Last Stand damage on EPs and in Sea, but taking it to Voidwatch really knocked things out of the part. Pretty consistent 2k+ on Jeuno Part 4 and 5.

[cidbahamut]

No melee in a tail strat? Is he for some reason immune to gravity despite being susceptible to like every other debuff?
He resisted Gravity, Bind and Break when I tried to solo him for giggles. Admittedly I didn't take the time to test with an ample sample size or using elemental seal, but it would be par for the course if he were outright immune to those.

[Tavien]

I have to confess, this limit break worries me a great deal. I managed to handle all the others that have come up but seeing as all the shouts I've seen are for a summoner with alexander or four beastmasters, I can't help but feel like im going to struggle to get this done.

I agree with the notion about how this is only going to get harder with time too. I know the answer most people are pointing out is "go and find people who have already done it to help you!" but realisitcally, how many people do you think are going to go back to help someone they don't know? In my general experience, people who have cleared a battlefield are highly unlikely to turn around and go back and do it again for fun.

[Alhanelem]

I managed to handleI should hope so, because they were simple turn-in quests that most people already had the items for (except for the first time when 80 came out), and grinding merits is a simple task.


I managed to handle all the others that have come up but seeing as all the shouts I've seen are for a summoner with alexander or four beastmasters, I can't help but feel like im going to struggle to get this done.The fight is NOT HARD. there's NOTHING to worry about. Even if you do end up finding it hard, you should be enjoying the good challenge. As far as finding people, Anyone that's level 96 or above is automatically able to help you, and there is no level cap, so bringing 99 players will make it all the more easy.

There's a simple solution to your problem. Start the party yourself. If people in the party bring weakness items, you can win with any sensible job combination. Even without them, if the team plays well, it's a perfectly winnable fight. I highly reccomend having a summoner regardless of strategy- but there's no shortage of summoners out there, as any visit to Walk of Echoes in the last month or two can attest- Summoner is one of those jobs that everyone plays but doesn't use often. It is, however, completely winnable without a summoner (You can also use a scholar sub red mage to get some of the same benefits, though not quite as potent). Bard is nice to have for sentinel's scherzo and/or marches. Monks are great, Thieves and dancers shine once again (1h weapons have a major advantage here due to the "cap" on damage).

Just buckle down, grab some people, and devise a strategy with what you have to work with. It might take you a few tries if your group isn't as sound as you'd like, but you can do it.

This fight is no harder than Maat was for most jobs back in the day.

[HimuraKenshyn]

I will admit at first thought I was like damn my 2 mules don't have any of the jobs peeps are using to get the win. So I decided to farm the fossil bones and fangs up. I never thought the fight would end up being that super easy with just 2 tails and ranged attacks and nukes. A sam on follow on the taru I am sure could get ws off the always did on me running in brenner lol. But best would be just sub rng for sidewinder spam old school style. He takes normal damage while the tail is up and its easy enough to go balls to the wall when he is racing around lol. A bet 2-3 geared BLMS or 2-3 rangers could take him after doing the fight.

[Tavien]

Any advice for farming bones? Every mob I tried recently seems to be capable of murdering me in 3 to 4 hits. After it's murdered my friend on monk that is.

[Alhanelem]

What the heck are you fighting that "murders you in 3-4 hits?"

The fossilized items are not that hard to come by; I found the fang with a couple friends in bost. oubliette thoguh you caon undoubtedly get them with a better drop rate on VTs.

I'm pretty sure they're sellable too, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tavien]

Take a look on wiki on nearly all the mobs listed for the bone? I tried Bats in Uleguerand Range but after 3 hours of no joy I tried some of the other stuff. Considering most of the listed mobs are level 96 and up, I'd wager a guess at most of them being able to kill me?

[Alhanelem]

Take a look on wiki on nearly all the mobs listed for the bone? I tried Bats in Uleguerand Range but after 3 hours of no joy I tried some of the other stuff. Considering most of the listed mobs are level 96 and up, I'd wager a guess at most of them being able to kill me?

T mobs would take more than "3-4 hits" to kill me even if I was naked and stood there doing nothing. Many jobs can solo the dropping mobs, yours included.

Also, they more or less drop from the same mobs that drop seasoning stones- which is many EXP-giving mobs found in Original/Zilart areas. Fighting VTs willl give you the best drop rate.

You are a dragoon. You should be able to solo Tough mobs with ease. Sub BLU and use a cheap spell to get healing breath. And even if you can't, you should be able to get ONE PERSON at least to help you out.

My apologies if this sounds mean-spirited- but it's not meant that way. But you may need to re-think how you're going about this if just getting the items is giving you this kind of trouble.

[Tavien]

Thanks for the drg soloing master class. Ironically I soloed drg to level 70, including my own testimony for the very reason that I enjoyed the challenge of solo play. I spent most of the evening last night in Dangruf Wadi fighting crabs and gibbons which resulted in a net gain of 6 seasoning stones and 4 fangs for the party. I have not seen a single bone drop. I have tried Bilesuckers in Uleguerand. Again, no joy. Is the drop rate that bad? Or is this just a massive time sink? Because 5-6 hours of farming should result in one drop at the very least as far as im aware.

[Alerith]

My suggestion is to ignore the seemingly Elitist shouts.

Your PLD doesn't need an Ochain/Aegis
You don't need a SMN and if you use one, it doesn't need Alexander.
You don't NEED BSTs, you don't NEED SMNs, you don't NEED PLDs.

Ignore the pathetic shouts and make a group yourself.

[detlef]

You might want to check bazaars. By now, a lot of people have beaten the level cap fight and you'll likely be able to find a bone/fang at a price you can live with.

[scaevola]

Thanks for the drg soloing master class. Ironically I soloed drg to level 70, including my own testimony for the very reason that I enjoyed the challenge of solo play. I spent most of the evening last night in Dangruf Wadi fighting crabs and gibbons which resulted in a net gain of 6 seasoning stones and 4 fangs for the party. I have not seen a single bone drop. I have tried Bilesuckers in Uleguerand. Again, no joy. Is the drop rate that bad? Or is this just a massive time sink? Because 5-6 hours of farming should result in one drop at the very least as far as im aware.

Soloed IT Boulder Eaters for two hours and got no Bone. It's just a really awful drop rate.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Thanks for the drg soloing master class. Ironically I soloed drg to level 70, including my own testimony for the very reason that I enjoyed the challenge of solo play. I spent most of the evening last night in Dangruf Wadi fighting crabs and gibbons which resulted in a net gain of 6 seasoning stones and 4 fangs for the party. I have not seen a single bone drop. I have tried Bilesuckers in Uleguerand. Again, no joy. Is the drop rate that bad? Or is this just a massive time sink? Because 5-6 hours of farming should result in one drop at the very least as far as im aware.

I only saw bones on the peapuks, crawlers and crabs in the B. tree and only saw fangs in Gustav Tunnel on the worms and Turtles. I just did the high level GOV and got merits and all of the items needed.

[Sealdorie]

There's a simple solution to your problem. Start the party yourself. If people in the party bring weakness items, you can win with any sensible job combination. Even without them, if the team plays well, it's a perfectly winnable fight.

I can't seem to find how to create another Tail once you have won. I have just assumed that it is not a repeatable thing. Does anyone know for sure?

Took me three tries. The first try was with my PLD. I'm not really a fan of it so it's only decently geared (some Emp+1, honorbound and a Seigneur Shield). With full buffs up I was one shotted the second we engaged. The second was also with my pld, and I lasted a little longer but we still wiped at around 60%. We had a set up of pld, drg, whm, blm, thf, mnk

Chalked it up to my pld not being up to snuff so we went in with 4 BLMs and two random extras. Used two tails and it was super easy.

As far as farming we went as a group so I couldn't give a solo story. I can say that we got our bones from Kuftal and our fangs from Gustav, and the fangs have a terrible drop rate.

I can see where people might have a hard time further on down the road considering how little people help for even the 50 or 55 caps. It won't be impossible, just annoying if you don't have a supportive linkshell or enough gil to pay people for the help.

[Alerith]

The first try was with my PLD. I'm not really a fan of it so it's only decently geared (some Emp+1, honorbound and a Seigneur Shield). With full buffs up I was one shotted the second we engaged.

I'm going to call bull on this. Even if you had only Perle, there is no possible way you would have been one shotted the moment the fight started.

The only possible way for this to happen on even a poorly geared PLD would be for the Taru to open with a Ascetic's Fury followed by Final Heaven for a Light chain. And in all the times I've done the fight, he's never opened with a skillchain.

[Aeonk]

I'm going to call bull on this. Even if you had only Perle, there is no possible way you would have been one shotted the moment the fight started.

The only possible way for this to happen on even a poorly geared PLD would be for the Taru to open with a Ascetic's Fury followed by Final Heaven for a Light chain. And in all the times I've done the fight, he's never opened with a skillchain.
I could see an abyssea burned, not-skilled-up PLD getting wrecked by a single WS. Not saying that's what Sealdorie is, and it'd probably take a degree of bad luck for that to happen, but it is possible.

[Sealdorie]

Well, you can call whatever you like. My PLD was 75 before abyssea was released and capped out in skills. No my skills are not capped at 95, but they are not that far behind. For my gear I am only +1 Emp head, hands, and legs, Dornen Schuhs, twilight torque, honorbound, and Seigneur, creed waist piece. As far as the rest I'd have to go look it up because I'm pretty sure they weren't anything decent.

He opened with Asuran fist for well over 1200 and I was dead. He may have gotten another hit in before or after, but surely wasn't enough time for a heal (or for me to notice the time between engaging and being on the ground). After reading some strategies, I did not have phalanx up the first time. I did the second, and that along with the fact that he did not open with a weapon skill helped a great deal.

I'm pretty diligent about my jobs (having 8 75s before Abyssea was ever released). I do not abyssea leech, and I do my best to skill up before I even take a job to abyssea for the few jobs I've taken up recently via grounds of valor. I did admit that I do not believe my PLD is up to where it should be since it isn't one I play often. I will say that Aeonk is probably right in that my skills were a bit behind (though not quite as behind as he described).

[Neisan_Quetz]

Yea we're just going to have to disagree on what you call decent (please don't tell me you seriously use dornen outside of enmity macro...) and leave it at that.

[Aeonk]

Well, you can call whatever you like. My PLD was 75 before abyssea was released and capped out in skills. No my skills are not capped at 95, but they are not that far behind. For my gear I am only +1 Emp head, hands, and legs, Dornen Schuhs, twilight torque, honorbound, and Seigneur, creed waist piece. As far as the rest I'd have to go look it up because I'm pretty sure they weren't anything decent.

He opened with Asuran fist for well over 1200 and I was dead. He may have gotten another hit in before or after, but surely wasn't enough time for a heal (or for me to notice the time between engaging and being on the ground). After reading some strategies, I did not have phalanx up the first time. I did the second, and that along with the fact that he did not open with a weapon skill helped a great deal.

I'm pretty diligent about my jobs (having 8 75s before Abyssea was ever released). I do not abyssea leech, and I do my best to skill up before I even take a job to abyssea for the few jobs I've taken up recently via grounds of valor. I did admit that I do not believe my PLD is up to where it should be since it isn't one I play often. I will say that Aeonk is probably right in that my skills were a bit behind (though not quite as behind as he described).

It was probably an attack round with a follow up asuran fists that did you in, lack of phalanx as well. I wasn't trying to imply you're gimp or anything like that, so my mistake if that's the impression that was created.

Although I guess I should add some context for my statement. With Ochain, Asuran Fists is a joke. Most of his WS's are. Although I can cite one time where he hit a freakishly hard Victory Smite against me for 1k+, when it's usually less than half of that. A missed block, criting his WS, I still can't explain it to this day. Fought him at least 4 times after that, and he's never hit #'s that high again (so far.)

So with that in mind, I could see someone without Ochain or capped skill (but still high skill) getting an unlucky WS to the face out of the gate resulting in a 1 shot. It's not as impossible as Alerith makes it sound.

[RAIST]

been seeing the bone/fangs for ~200k in bazaars. Have to do the math against your gil farming rate to see if it's worth it or not.

We needed several sets for our fight. Think it was 2 complete and 3 partial. We did the tigers in Kuftal (behind the stone that goes up and down, all the way in back, past the wyverns) and the skeletons in Onzozo north of Ose. Took us I think 3 hours to farm everything up.

And no, you don't relaly need a specific setup for this win. Beginning to wonder if everyone has forgotten their CoP fight strategies. That's basically how we won ours, and we had more or less a standard party setup really.

It's all about your strategy...knowing your strengths (and weknesses) and adjusting accordingly. Granted there are a few things that help. solme things that I've seen come up in various threads about this fight (all over the place...can't believe the crapstorm that has developed over this thing):

Strong damage mitigation for you tank. Whether that is gear on a PLD, or a RDM or SMN buffing up the tank.

Someone that can hold hate well, and someone that can heal him/her well.

Everyone needs to be mindful of the games hate mechanics. Need to keep the runt focused on the person with the damage mitigation as much as possible.

Multi-hit WS (esp. if dual weilded weapons) make a BIG difference in how fast you can take this guy down. To that end, having TP before going in goes a long way--it goes in with you (protip: opo opo necklace...again, older fight strategies).

Subtle-Blow effect can be a factor as well--MNK with Penance or NIN to debuff TP gain etc.

Have the olede rarerab tails on hand for those "oh Sh!t" moments. Just like with the earlier CoP fights, using these things at the right time can sometimes make/break the fight.

Have clear instructions for what everyone is supposed to do. If you are throwing tails, have a specific order. Maybe even a macro to use and announce it in party chat.

Someone should be the leader. Do NOT underestimate the value of this. Having someone who knows what they are doing in these kinds of fights goes a LONG way. I wouldn't have gotten crap done at all without the strategic mind of our resident BST that at times almost literally dragged me through some of ZM, CoP, TAU, and WotG. I won't deniy it....I'm about as blonde as they come with some of these fights. Some people simply need someone calling the shots so they don't get themself (or everyone else) killed.

If what you are trying isn't working.....try something else. Go back and read up on your big CoP fights to get some ideas. If you did these things post the uncapping, then you may not know what I'm talking about....but the strategies are still out there on the Wiki--go to the talk pages and read up on what everyone went through doing these things over the years. Some LS sites still have the "old school" fights up on their boards too. Might find some if you google the boss fights.

[Sealdorie]

Yea we're just going to have to disagree on what you call decent (please don't tell me you seriously use dornen outside of enmity macro...) and leave it at that.

EDIT: I did say that in my first post, my apologies. I suck.

My very first post was not trying to make the fight seem hard as I was only recanting my experience with it given the options my group had. I was the only person that had PLD leveld, and I happened to have collected some gear for it while doing other things so we gave it a shot. The first attempt was before we did much more than read what was required to enter the fight, and we had a rude awakening.

Aeonk, I didn't think you were implying anything. I don't know why I feel the need to defend myself in the first place, or why instead of helpful comments about my fight or my PLD set up I'm getting insults (not you Aeonk). Maybe my original post came off wrong?

If I were to guess where my skills are on PLD I would say they're probably around what a level 85 char might cap, and I have no issues saying I am not the greatest PLD in the world. If I hadn't been going with friends I would have refused to even pull it out as I've pretty much hated the job for several years.

I agree that it most likely was an attack+asuran+no phalanx. The second fight took me down with a Victory Smite + Asuran Fists.

[Tavien]

Not to be a jerk but can't you see why some people have an issue with this? Assuming all content is made to be accessed by all players, why create a situation wherein you're falling back on CoP original strategies? My gripe with CoP was if you didn't have the relevant jobs you couldn't go. And as always, woe betide you if you're hoping people who already have their rings are going to come back and do something that's actually challenging again. It's why I was so happy when they originally dropped the caps on CoP, content that was fun to do and I could do it on my own time.

With this cap, I can't help but feel up against the clock. Look back through this thread and you'll see all kinds of posts saying you can do it with anything but you'll find a great number more that say you're best shot is to use xyz jobs. The longer it takes for me to do this, the less people im going to be able to find to help. And frankly I don't feel like levelling xy or z to get through. If I'd wanted to do that job, I'd already be sitting at 99 laughing.

Im not saying I hate difficult content. But when its something mandatory like a level cap, why should it be so tricky for players based on job choice?

[RAIST]

Not to be a jerk but can't you see why some people have an issue with this? Assuming all content is made to be accessed by all players, why create a situation wherein you're falling back on CoP original strategies? My gripe with CoP was if you didn't have the relevant jobs you couldn't go. And as always, woe betide you if you're hoping people who already have their rings are going to come back and do something that's actually challenging again. It's why I was so happy when they originally dropped the caps on CoP, content that was fun to do and I could do it on my own time.

With this cap, I can't help but feel up against the clock. Look back through this thread and you'll see all kinds of posts saying you can do it with anything but you'll find a great number more that say you're best shot is to use xyz jobs. The longer it takes for me to do this, the less people im going to be able to find to help. And frankly I don't feel like levelling xy or z to get through. If I'd wanted to do that job, I'd already be sitting at 99 laughing.

Im not saying I hate difficult content. But when its something mandatory like a level cap, why should it be so tricky for players based on job choice?

This can be applied to any major fight...CoP is just one that comes to mind first because it was the first one I started on that really gave me any trouble (for the most part, ZM was a joke with my LS at the time...I basically just tagged along on BLM to fill in specific roles they needed). Pick your most annoying boss fight....be that something in TAU, wotG, a certain BCNM, ENM....whatever the case may be, think about what you did to finally beat that @#$@#$.

The point is, everyone needs to approach this fight just like every other pain in the @$$ fight we had in the past. It's like everyone has been spoiled by the easy button over the past year and has forgotten what it is like to actually play the game with any common sense.

[Whippet]

The problem is that people are used to abyssea which is 0 challenge.

So when they come to the first door close, they cry MOMMY I CANT OPEN THIS DOOR MWHAAAAAA

People need to stop sucking that is all

I was really sad when i did COP on this char cuz i had 0 problems.

When idid Airship on my first char costed me 1mill in med and we took 4 times t owin we didn't cry we worked and won

[Khajit]

Did the fight on Saturday. It was easy. You guys need to stop sucking.

[MAXWINTER]

Dont really enjoy fights like this one at all but i will look back on ff11 in a good way , probley one of most fun boss fights in the game is the shadow lord.
There been a few i hated but will think of the good ones in the future.

[Zero-Hour]

I love the way all the people who walked through the fight with their party full of skilled, well geared capped leveled players look back on it as an "easy" fight..

There are a large amount of players out there who do not have the benefit of a supportive linkshell full of age-long friends.
Who don't have any of the sought after jobs leveled or who are just not comfortable in large groups who will *never* be able to break 95.

Those laughing off the fight as "easy" when people are complaining of 0/x attempts really don't help.

All the other level breaks (with the exception of a bit of farming for the early breaks) have been a test of personal strength/tactical thinking/just getting the work done to prove to maat or that moogle that you can have the next level.

Now we have a level break that *requires* the best gear in the game and a full party to get through. No amount of work can get around this. If you don't have *other* people to prove that *you* are worthy you don't get through. What is wrong with that picture?

Once the buzz has died down, there will be many left at 95. Forcing a full, skilled, capped, well geared party before a personal barrier can be broken is plain wrong.

I am all for a challenge, but when it is for personal advancement, let it be a personal challenge.

Much as many of us hated the Maat fight, it was possible with the right tactics on ANY job. This fight, for many, will be the mountain too high.

I only hope that SE include a re-think of this when they impliment the level break revision announced for sometime next year.

[Tavien]

All the other level breaks (with the exception of a bit of farming for the early breaks) have been a test of personal strength/tactical thinking/just getting the work done to prove to maat or that moogle that you can have the next level.

Now we have a level break that *requires* the best gear in the game and a full party to get through. No amount of work can get around this. If you don't have *other* people to prove that *you* are worthy you don't get through. What is wrong with that picture?

Once the buzz has died down, there will be many left at 95. Forcing a full, skilled, capped, well geared party before a personal barrier can be broken is plain wrong.

I am all for a challenge, but when it is for personal advancement, let it be a personal challenge.

Much as many of us hated the Maat fight, it was possible with the right tactics on ANY job. This fight, for many, will be the mountain too high.



This, ladies and gentlemen, is what im trying to highlight. Unfortunately for me, I have a severe case of not being able to type anything I actually want to say so im glad this fine fellow has said everything he has.

Im not against challenging fights but you've got to think about the long term affect of a battle like this. Especially when its a central part of character advancement. I can safely say that three monks and a summoner make this fight stupid. But I think I lucked out on people who needed the cap. If you review the census findings im pretty sure the job balance isnt 3:1 in favour of monks?

[Morier]

I love the way all the people who walked through the fight with their party full of skilled, well geared capped leveled players look back on it as an "easy" fight..

There are a large amount of players out there who do not have the benefit of a supportive linkshell full of age-long friends.


I did it in a shout group, no items, it was easy. Stop crying.

[Whippet]

I love the way all the people who walked through the fight with their party full of skilled, well geared capped leveled players look back on it as an "easy" fight..

There are a large amount of players out there who do not have the benefit of a supportive linkshell full of age-long friends.
Who don't have any of the sought after jobs leveled or who are just not comfortable in large groups who will *never* be able to break 95.

Those laughing off the fight as "easy" when people are complaining of 0/x attempts really don't help.


All the other level breaks (with the exception of a bit of farming for the early breaks) have been a test of personal strength/tactical thinking/just getting the work done to prove to maat or that moogle that you can have the next level.

Now we have a level break that *requires* the best gear in the game and a full party to get through. No amount of work can get around this. If you don't have *other* people to prove that *you* are worthy you don't get through. What is wrong with that picture?

Once the buzz has died down, there will be many left at 95. Forcing a full, skilled, capped, well geared party before a personal barrier can be broken is plain wrong.

I am all for a challenge, but when it is for personal advancement, let it be a personal challenge.

Much as many of us hated the Maat fight, it was possible with the right tactics on ANY job. This fight, for many, will be the mountain too high.

I only hope that SE include a re-think of this when they impliment the level break revision announced for sometime next year.

The THF in ym PT was full aurore gear

PLD had a Koenig Shield and full perl.

I was the only one with the MNK that geared swap.

The reason we won was because the leader (the monk) annoyed people about what to do and made sure they understand. You guys that sucks are like kids we need to take you by the hand or else you won't do anything.

Stop blaming square you wipe you suck the fight is easy

[Tavien]

I did it in a shout group, no items, it was easy. Stop crying.

So did I. Doesn't mean that my shout group wasnt 3 monks and a summoner though.What got you through? I doubt it was all the jobs no one wanted?

[Morier]

Didn't quote you tav, lrn2read. It was a reply to the guy moaning about not having a linkshell of old friends to do it with. I know it was hard to see who i was replying to with the big ass quote box and all, but try harder next time.

[Darkzeru]

I will say I did go 1/10 until I won...all where shout parties.....
Despite the many loses.....alot of us had fun through out it....it was fun....you couldn't do a "leroy jenkins" and expect to win...I will say it is MUCH different then say abyssea since you are no longer in God Mode. I enjoyed it....

Of course I guess if you was someone who came to game around abyssea you could get aggrovated at this.....
For people who was playing game pre-abyssea...I'd figure would enjoy the fight since it's something that can't be done by just by having the job leveled or having atmas to make up for it....

[Tavien]

Didn't quote you tav, lrn2read. It was a reply to the guy moaning about not having a linkshell of old friends to do it with. I know it was hard to see who i was replying to with the big ass quote box and all, but try harder next time.

Hurr durr, posted in public. I felt your comment warranted some kind of reply. You can't seriously expect every single player to be part of a massive linkshell? Or know one person who plays every job who will ditch everything to help their old friends out? This attitude of you suck, get better isn't going to deal with the long term problem with this cap. WHICH IS WHAT IM TRYING TO BRING TO DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD.

[Zero-Hour]

I did it in a shout group, no items, it was easy. Stop crying.

And I am sure that when you stood there looking for a party in your Full emp +2 with relic weapon and 20/20 jobs to choose from with years of party experience you found no problem finding another group of like people to walk through the fight with like it was swatting an annoying fly on your route to god-hood.

Some of us don't have any of that.

I don't count it as crying, but merely asking for a chance for the non-elite non-deities.

Try standing there in two months time wearing perle and see how far you get.

[Whippet]

work harder

[Tavien]

Right, well, apparently trying to even voice a concern brings out the best in everyone. In actual, unprecedented internet history im not going to try and sway you with lengthy posts that you'll just ignore. I've said my bit, hopefully someone will read it and realise that actually, you know, Im not entirely wrong when I say it could cause problems when you create a system that relies on the good will of others. Good will that our player base so routinely shows by yelling you suck at people who are struggling to do something.

/ma "Tele-anywhere-but-this-thread" <me>

[Khajit]

Oh we read the points being made. We then took the information and concluded that these people suck if they cant beat the fight by now.
I was lv 91 when I beat the bloody thing.

[Jaden]

Does anyone know of any groups that are actually willing to take jobs along to the fight other than BST MNK or SMN or a handful of mages? Because this is actually starting to take the piss.

[Alhanelem]

I'm going to call bull on this. Even if you had only Perle, there is no possible way you would have been one shotted the moment the fight started.Actually, this happened to the MNK in my first attempt. He went down almost instantly (after rushing in before we were all prepared) to a WS plus a melee hit or two. Whats-hisname can pretty much weaponskill at will. He has regain and will most likely have TP when you engage.

[Jaden]

Oh we read the points being made. We then took the information and concluded that these people suck if they cant beat the fight by now.
I was lv 91 when I beat the bloody thing.

Wow, that's quite the attitude.

[Doombringer]

just repeated this fight for a ls member, we went with 5 characters (including 1 mule) and won. no rarab tails. 5 characters. granted a few of us were 99. but... 5....





5

[Whippet]

Does anyone know of any groups that are actually willing to take jobs along to the fight other than BST MNK or SMN or a handful of mages? Because this is actually starting to take the piss.


Learn to read

I did my attempt

PLD (Koenig Shield + Pearl Gear)
DNC (Me with Af3+2)
THf (lolaurore)
2x WHM
MNK

[Luvbunny]

Does anyone know of any groups that are actually willing to take jobs along to the fight other than BST MNK or SMN or a handful of mages? Because this is actually starting to take the piss.

It's pretty much those jobs that are most wanted, Monk Hundred Fists are all the shouts. If you have none of those jobs, pray you have LS members who actually willing to help you or hope you get lucky for random shout party. The other alternative is just level monk to 95 and get a decent hand to hand to 300s which should be easy if you do it since last Thursday.

And the fosilized bone is rather hard to farm as well from IT mobs to lvl 95 - you can't expect to duo zerg like abyssea. Welcome to the dark ages of FFXI again, from now one everything would be "BARANCE"d so that hamster wheel type of activities will be the norm.

[Jaden]

Learn to read

I did my attempt

PLD (Koenig Shield + Pearl Gear)
DNC (Me with Af3+2)
THf (lolaurore)
2x WHM
MNK

Sorry, but I didn't actually ask what you did it on whenever you did it. I inquired as to groups that are intending to do the fight in the near future who are willing to try the fight with different set ups, as I am looking to partake in such a group.

Unless you're actually painfully shy and that was your attempt at a friendly invite for me to join you and your group at a re-run of the fight which somehow backfired on you and, I'm sorry to say, came across as you being a little rude to me, may I suggest you also learn to read? :)

[Jaden]

It's pretty much those jobs that are most wanted, Monk Hundred Fists are all the shouts. If you have none of those jobs, pray you have LS members who actually willing to help you or hope you get lucky for random shout party. The other alternative is just level monk to 95 and get a decent hand to hand to 300s which should be easy if you do it since last Thursday.

And the fosilized bone is rather hard to farm as well from IT mobs to lvl 95 - you can't expect to duo zerg like abyssea. Welcome to the dark ages of FFXI again, from now one everything would be "BARANCE"d so that hamster wheel type of activities will be the norm.

I guess I'll see if I get lucky. By the time I level something else to the standard to survive the fight I'm worried everyone else will have done it!

The bone is the one item I haven't been able to get yet, proving to be a bit of a pain. (Also, so glad I'm not the only person who like to exclaim "BARANCE!")

[Khajit]

Wow, that's quite the attitude.

Even some of the worst gimps on my server have beaten the fight now. It's one thing if you never got to attempt because you aren't invited despite it being easy enough to win with whatever semi random jobs. It's entirely another to claim it's impossible to beat when people so renowned at being gimp that nearly all pickups now refuse to let them in misc "endgame" events have beaten it.

JADERATTLESNAKE beat the fight and there's a youtube tribute to how shitty and retarded he is. You could outdamage his lv 99 characters with lv 60 or even possibly level 30 character in a fight. He thinks utsesumi stacks with itself so you can charge up bonus shadows.

[Jaden]

It's one thing if you never got to attempt because you aren't invited

That's what I want, that chance to attempt the level cap that everyone wants to do. Just getting a little frustrated that I can't get a crack at it where I've only got a couple of jobs levelled so far (THF and RNG 95, play time is still less than a fortnight). Seems wrong to need such a specific set-up to complete a quest that everyone essentially has to do to progress further!

So I just wanted to pop on the board to say if anyone sees me hanging around Jeuno and wants to give me a hand (getting the bone first lol) having a go at the fight even thought I'm not a BST then any tells will be more than appreciated! Trying to find new combinations of jobs and set-ups to take these quests on is all part of the fun right? (Let's have a nice sense of community spirit and help each other out too, huh? Like I said, I'm still fairly new).

Also where I'm not that familier with the game and the community, I don't really care about the forum politics or who's arguing with who to be honest. All just noise going over my head!

[Concerned4FFxi]

I never said the damage limit from the tail was a bad idea, i said making him run away was dumb.

[Logandor]

I actually solo'd the items with almost no problems. The fang and stones drop like rice pattys in D.Wardi off of monkeys in the far north of the map. I fought two monkeys and one crab and those dropped no problem. Then I saddled up and ran out to R. Pass entering from the glacier end. I grabbed page 6 from the book, reraise and regain and went to town on the bats and then the eye mobs. Got the bone third monster into my page and was all done. Granted that was better luck then what I had the previous farms because there is almost no one farming items any more.
As for the actual fight I did do different set-ups most were shout parties. They did not want a thf so I went as a whm 91. I did all the buffs and even stone skin cures. Problem I noticed out of all three times was hate control because as much cures as I was giving to our main man in two of the three attempts could not keep hate & the taru came full board on me. Now I was not spamming cures because he was a pld; he could throw some on him self to regain hate or what ever it is plds do for hate control. (I don't know I am not a pld player.)
Now I am still looking for a party to get this fight done and over with and even working on my pup while searching. I am not bitching or crying because the fight is hard. Crap I wanted a challenge. XD I like it the way it is but I just wished that people would be more open to the fact that even throw together parties that don't want to listen to people with plans is going to end in disaster.
Yes I did read to look over the old CoP fights, yes I did read over where others are having troubles as well, and heck yes I read over people who had won for the ones struggling to shut up and grow some. I well understand that but here is something else for those people to think of. What about the people who don't have a linkshell any more due to people who tried this fight and quit because they didn't like the fight? They are kinda in a bit of a fix sense their friends that did stay and did win the fight and won't help them out. What about returning players who came back after hearing the game got a challenge for the last level cap but their linkshells are long gone and friends long sense moved to 14?
Now this ain't to be rude or to even be taken that way but how many on here said they would be willing to turn around and help other people out on their server and not actually do it now because they thought it was a total waste or time or too difficult to turn around to help others? I am just curious about this...

[Reiterpallasch]

Dunno why everyone is crazy about having MNKs to hundred fists with. Most people should know by now that it actually gimps your damage if you're doing it right :/

That's what I want, that chance to attempt the level cap that everyone wants to do. Just getting a little frustrated that I can't get a crack at it where I've only got a couple of jobs levelled so far (THF and RNG 95, play time is still less than a fortnight). Seems wrong to need such a specific set-up to complete a quest that everyone essentially has to do to progress further!
Any particular reason you don't just go THF? Fast attacking 1handers are great. Can't find anyone going with that setup? Make your own.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Er what, Hundred fists sets you to the delay cap.

Although I guess not benefitting from outside haste is a detriment if you don't realize that.

In our case, we just SV'd minueted the mnks and the sole dualwielder (me) got marches.

[RAIST]

think he's talking about the DoT factor I guess....punching away at base delay versus gearing for TP gain and spamming weaponskills.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Well yea, you'd actually need to make a new set for HF being up, but I doubt I've seen many mnks actually do that.

EDIT: I actually went back to confirm, and it seems HF does set you to the delay cap, the old figure of ~75% haste or w/e was because martial arts wasn't being factored (it's straight delay reduction). Mnk didn't seem to get another tier post 82, so it doesn't seem to completely hurt them without Dnc in pt at minimum (potentially SV too actually) if they aren't using anymore MA gear. There is some fractional difference between the 2 going by cream/failure's testing.

[Morier]

Hurr durr, posted in public. I felt your comment warranted some kind of reply. You can't seriously expect every single player to be part of a massive linkshell? Or know one person who plays every job who will ditch everything to help their old friends out? This attitude of you suck, get better isn't going to deal with the long term problem with this cap. WHICH IS WHAT IM TRYING TO BRING TO DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD.

Again Tav you show you have no sense of reading comprehension. The entire point of my post and reply to him, was that YOU DO NOT NEED a big ls or super great fun time friends. Once again learn to read please.

[Meyi]

We just won with: WHM SAM MNK BLM BLM BST

We used two tails right from the start, and blms nuked. Fight took 3 minutes, 22 seconds.

Damage I dealt as BLM99/RDM49 was:
Blizzaja 1778
Blizzard V 1628
Thunder V 1661
Firaja 1616
Blizzard IV 1072
Aeroja 1540

Recycle spells. Went incredibly smooth, so if you can find 2 BLMs with their 2hrs, and can get 2 tails, I'd highly recommend this route.

Good luck!

[Reiterpallasch]

Well yea, you'd actually need to make a new set for HF being up, but I doubt I've seen many mnks actually do that.

EDIT: I actually went back to confirm, and it seems HF does set you to the delay cap, the old figure of ~75% haste or w/e was because martial arts wasn't being factored (it's straight delay reduction). Mnk didn't seem to get another tier post 82, so it doesn't seem to completely hurt them without Dnc in pt at minimum (potentially SV too actually) if they aren't using anymore MA gear. There is some fractional difference between the 2 going by cream/failure's testing.
Good to know. I had always heard that it set you to 74% or some such and that if you could break that with buffs, you were better off not using your 2hr at all.

[Khajit]

I never said the damage limit from the tail was a bad idea, i said making him run away was dumb.
To get around that have a rdm(maybe two if your group is into that) use chainspell stun. Or a blu spam stun spells. possible both with the rdm chainstun saved for the end.

[Dragoy]

There's a simple solution to your problem. Start the party yourself. If people in the party bring weakness items, you can win with any sensible job combination. Even without them, if the team plays well, it's a perfectly winnable fight.I can't seem to find how to create another Tail once you have won. I have just assumed that it is not a repeatable thing. Does anyone know for sure?Indeed it seems like it is not possible to get them after finishing the quest.

Whether or not this is intended, would be nice to have confirmed.


The items for it can be quite rare.
Specifically the Bone was very elusive to me, more so with TH ironically than without, lol. Tried the Puks for a time, and then hours of killing the tigers at Kuftal. I do hope I will not need more of them, lol. >.<

[svengalis]

Dunno why everyone is crazy about having MNKs to hundred fists with. Most people should know by now that it actually gimps your damage if you're doing it right :/

Any particular reason you don't just go THF? Fast attacking 1handers are great. Can't find anyone going with that setup? Make your own.

Monk's 2hour + enfire from Summoners equals dead boss in under 3 minutes. I think we spent more time buffing then killing the Taru.

[svengalis]

Does anyone know of any groups that are actually willing to take jobs along to the fight other than BST MNK or SMN or a handful of mages? Because this is actually starting to take the piss.
If you can find a PLD who has Aegis( relic) sheild you could go in with any setup you want just make sure you have heals.

[Unleashhell]

This thread is still going on lol. If you haven't beaten this by now you should just quit.

[scaevola]

Dunno why everyone is crazy about having MNKs to hundred fists with. Most people should know by now that it actually gimps your damage if you're doing it right :/


As GreatGuardian mentioned somewhere earlier, it is precisely because MNKx3+/SMN does not require you to do it right (whatever it might refer to) in order to win this fight that makes it so easy and popular to recommend to players about whose skill we can't speculate.

[Alhanelem]

Most people should know by now that it actually gimps your damage if you're doing it rightMost people also don't have the stuff necessary to get to the point where 100 fists declines to uselessness (Yes, "most people" have low end gear and dont know how to play their job)

[Siiri]

Well, we have gotten our entire linkshell through the limit break with the mnk x3 , SMN + 2 leech strategy. Gone 6 times so far. Set or broke a record every time, except the time we brought a war. Idiot proof is right, and when you have a bunch of people who expect their linkshell leaders to help, I prefer easy.

[SpankWustler]

players about whose skill we can't speculate.

I can!

Statistically, skill is likely to be "below-average" with the closest outliers being "unrelentingly awful", "good enough...maybe", and "I think he or she has a level 60 weapon equipped." I'm not sure how the average is calculated such that the majority can be "below average", but it sounds right to me!

Given that, I can definitely see the benefit of a totally idiot-proof strategy.

[Greatguardian]

Most people also don't have the stuff necessary to get to the point where 100 fists declines to uselessness (Yes, "most people" have low end gear and dont know how to play their job)

It was already determined that Reit was working with an outdated definition of Hundred Fists' effect. There is no possible way for Monk's 2hr to work against them. In the worst case scenario, it provides 0 benefit. This only happens when you are hitting the delay reduction cap from gear and outside buffs, and you are unable to swap out Haste gear due to a lack of better non-Haste alternatives. Since this doesn't happen, Hundred Fists is always a benefit to the player if they bother to change their TP set while it's up.

[FrankReynolds]

....and you are unable to swap out Haste gear due to a lack of better non-Haste alternatives...

It's funny how many people don't realize this. At the very least, lazy people can just swap into their WS set.

[Alerith]

To those of you crying about not having 20/20 jobs, empyreans weapons, etc. etc., you can kiss my shiny gallant ass.

Paladin is my ONLY job over 90. And BLU is my only other job over 75. (No gear, procs only)

5/5 +2 Creed. NO EMPYREAN WEAPON. Honorbound and Siegneur shield. Pickup group, one weakness item.
No linkshell.

Do you know how often PLD gets to do anything? "Wahhhh! They don't want my job!" Shut the hell up. Suck it up, put your own damn group together and quit your bitching. Its time you stopped following like a damn dog and put your own runs together.

[bloodbeat]

I thought the whole ordeal was hellish and unnecessary. It may be ideally suited to people who have busy Linkshells and an arsenal of fully leveled jobs at your disposal BUT that is not the *entire* player base.
I can imagine that this quest will do the horrible misdeed of putting all the players who don't play extensively, or during US/JP popular hours into an unenviable spot of having to seek a full party in a game full of players that are level 99 and not interested in doing the fight over and over

[Logandor]

Okay finally done with it. Now to help others. Went in 91whm, 4 95 blms, and 95 bst (hippo pet) and owned him. We used two tails (only had two) but a third would of kept one blm from dirt napping. whm buffed group prior to entering & tossed reraise on just in case. Entered bst sic'd pet on taru as Blms 2hour nuked his booty. After first nuke went off we used a tail then waited 31 seconds. By then he was at 45-35% hp and we tossed the 2nd tail and continued to nuke. Healer did devotion to lowest mp blm so they could keep nuking. @ 5% tail wore and we lost one blm as whm/blm stunned and others nuked the last 5%. Everyone including the dead blm (had reraise on) got the victory. We killed him in about 3 minutes. Except for the occasional cure and that one stun whm probably wasn't needed from the looks of things.
It was a fun fight though I still got to say. Only 3blms, bst, and whm had empy gear on, other blm was in teal set. After thinking about it the fight wasn't hard at all just needing a plan that everyone listens and goes with from the get go. Can't wait to do this again for others. :)

[browolf]

I expect, eventually, the easiest way to get it done will be to level mnk as there will always be parties looking for more mnks.

[Logandor]

I expect, eventually, the easiest way to get it done will be to level mnk as there will always be parties looking for more mnks.
I can not see why your sam won't be invited to do this fight if you have a rdm or pld come join you on the fight. That is my thought though sense last time I do recall sam can deal some major damage and with a spammed stuns and tails going you should be able to wrestle him down. Just a thought though.

[Zarchery]

Won this fight today. Gonna swallow my pride here and admit I was wrong. While it was challenging, it was not excessively difficult. All my failures came from banging my head against the wall and trying gimmicky zerg tactics (multiple MNK with Alexander and multiple BST tactics). One of the things about the multiple MNK tactic is that it's not gonna work if one or more of your Monks just microwaved MNK to 95 in Abyssea over a few days and has low H2H skill or bad gear or no Asuran Fists.

Winning party was PLD THF THF WHM BLM MNK. I was the BLM. Everyone seemed to have so-so gear. We had 3 Olde Rarab Tails but only used 2. I think we fought normally for a while. I tossed some backup cures when the PLD got critical, but mostly stuck to throwing low tier nukes (Stone, Stone II, Fire, Fire II) which did around 90 damage each and some stuns. Subbed RDM for Refresh and Convert, though by the time I needed the MP from Convert, it was right after Reraising so it wasn't gonna do me any good.

I think the MNK used Hundred Fists around 80%. PLD might've used Invincible around this time too, I forget. I know that he did use it at some point. The taru used Hundred Fists a little later (maybe 50%) and we used the first Rarab Tail. When this happened, I used Manfont, ran to the center of the arena, and just went nuts with Comet and some high tier nukes (I think I just cycled through the -ja nukes, not really paying attention). That took off a substantial amount of his MP. After tail wore off, I had built up a massive amount of hate so he walked over and made short work of me.

No big deal, he was down to about 5% at this point. Someone used the 2nd tail and I reraised. I tried to finish him off with one more big nuke, but panicked a little when the game said "Not enough MP." Luckily our quick thinking WHM saw what was happening and gave me Devotion for some quick MP which was just enough to finish the bastard off with Aero V.

Fun, exhilarating experience. I find it appalling that some people scoff and say "the fight is easy, you just suck". It's not easy. Easy is a quest BC like the WOTG fight "Bonds of Mythril" in which you can take 3 people and win without breaking a sweat. This is difficult, but not unwinnable.

I still think there is a major problem with making something that's gonna require a balanced 6-man party, when a month or more down the road most people have done this and it's gonna be harder to do with pickup groups. A solo version, like they did with avatar prime fights, would be nice. Also might be nice to make the Rarab Tails sellable on auction house.

[Teraniku]

I still think there is a major problem with making something that's gonna require a balanced 6-man party, when a month or more down the road most people have done this and it's gonna be harder to do with pickup groups. A solo version, like they did with avatar prime fights, would be nice. Also might be nice to make the Rarab Tails sellable on auction house.

While I don't argue your logic, honestly has no one ever heard of the term "pay it forward"? This is a Multiplayer game after all.

-See the big thing about making a solo version of this fight, is the same argument you are giving about the team fight. Only specific jobs will be able to solo it and that just defeats the purpose. Is a WHM suppose to be able to solo the fight? If a WHM can solo it, any job will be able to solo it, and easily too. Sort of defeats the purpose of having an ultimate limit break, doesn't it?

[Ravenmore]

Or they could make it scale with party size or what job but that would take money away from FF14.

[Ketaru]

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.


As opposed to what since in SEs brilliancy they made most high level gear R/EX that requires you either already have good gear to solo to obtain it, or multiple people top help.

Empyrean armor +1 seals are all questable. I spammed the silly description matching quest to finish my Est. body and it took a very long time and I had enough BLU seals to finish 3 Mavi bodies in the interim, but getting the Empyrean AF +1 gear is only a matter of time.

Stop making excuses for why you still use Aurore or whatever.

[Zarchery]

While I don't argue your logic, honestly has no one ever heard of the term "pay it forward"? This is a Multiplayer game after all.

-See the big thing about making a solo version of this fight, is the same argument you are giving about the team fight. Only specific jobs will be able to solo it and that just defeats the purpose. Is a WHM suppose to be able to solo the fight? If a WHM can solo it, any job will be able to solo it, and easily too. Sort of defeats the purpose of having an ultimate limit break, doesn't it?

Oh I agree with the principle of "pay it forward" and often do, but I'm just one guy.

You make a decent point about a solo version, but let's not forget Beastmaster. The job was specifically introduced for people who prefer to solo. Now granted a new BST will have to get outside help for limit breaks 1, 2, and possibly farming testimonies for 5, but there he would need only one helper and not 5.

[Khajit]

Oh I agree with the principle of "pay it forward" and often do, but I'm just one guy.

You make a decent point about a solo version, but let's not forget Beastmaster. The job was specifically introduced for people who prefer to solo. Now granted a new BST will have to get outside help for limit breaks 1, 2, and possibly farming testimonies for 5, but there he would need only one helper and not 5.
Bst wasn't introduced for people who liked to solo. SE did such a good job of completely fucking up bst in the first nerf that bst has never recovered since.
For those who dont know Killer effects used to give atk acc crit rate and haste which of course affects bst alot more.

It didn't help that SE considered (and still considers?) the ideal party/exp fights to be against waves of DC with the occasional Em. Nor did the jug pets cutting into exp help. nor did charmed mobs cutting into exp if you got one high enough level to actually do something. Now that I think of it we have GOV now so it took them nearly 10 years to actually make thier misguided assumptions about thier own playerbase halfway accurate?(I wouldn't know since i've never been in a bookburn)

[Runespider]

just repeated this fight for a ls member, we went with 5 characters (including 1 mule) and won. no rarab tails. 5 characters. granted a few of us were 99. but... 5....


I did it with 5 too, (3 of which were mules) all 95, no tails and without PD. The point was never that it was an impossible fight..it's generally accepted it wsn't that bad for people with good gear. People are complaining cause it was difficult for the majority of players with no af3/no emps etc etc.

[Shong]

I'm the clown that can at least beat an easy BCNM fight
Correction you are the clown who claims he beat a easy bcnm, so wheres these other 5 people u left unnamed?

[Zinato]

Just going to throw this out there, (and it may have been said i did not read 40 pages) The request to weaken the BCNM to 20-30% is supposedly what it was on the test server. As the story goes Mr. Beastmaster then walks in and solos the epic 99 6 man cap, so to prevent this in the final release SE bumps the fight 3-5x harder. (I suspect BST will not go unpunished for this especially since they seem to be in a downgrading mood) That said 3-5x times harder for one person should be just about the level of 6 players, and they were even so kind as to give an enfeebling item. 30 Cap Promy fight for 99 Cap.

[wildsprite]

beat this with SMNx2(without Alexander),BSTx3,BLU one of the BST used an ole rarab tail, BLU attacked him to get hate(the BLU went down once during the fight, but he expected that), then we sent in all our pets, when he 2 hour one of the other BST used a second tail and we all used our 2 hour on him and he was down before his 2 hour ended.

this fight is really just an overpowered mob, he isn't a challenge with the right players behind you and the right timing

[Cursed]

Good lord, there are people who found this fight even slightly challenging?
Probably the same people that brew Turul.

[Cowardlybabooon]

Only read the first page on this. OP - learn grammar and get better at FFXI. The fight is easy and should be solo and Mega hard.

[Keinn]

You guys really had to make the lvl 99 limit break this hard? really? i can tell yall this ppl are gonna quit casue of this watch and see hes too dang strong. You guys really better rethink this casue in 2months when we finaly do get done with him what yall do for the new comers? ever think bout that at this rate once ppl beat him they arnt gonna offer the new players help on it thus killin the games growth atleast lower this bcnm tarus power by atleast 20-30% so we can be done with it.

Its not as hard as you make it out to be.

As far as needing help, its only a 6 man fight. By the time you have played to level 95, I'd hope you would already have 5 friends who would be willing to help you knock it out.

[Logandor]

Not everyone that found it a challenged brewed Turul. :( I thought it was fun and a tiny bit of a challenge. Granted I went after Turul with groups of 8+ people but we never brewed him. Mainly just wanted to make sure we had enough around to proc his sorry butt not including the ls I was in at the time thought it would be fun to fight him on our way to the zone boss for members who needed him. Enough said. Have a great Holiday everyone and those traveling near and far take care.

[wildsprite]

I didn't find this LB the least bit fun, as for a challenge I don't see it...

the problem those people who see this as a challenge are having is not having a plan going in....

if you don't know anything about this fight go in the first time expecting to lose so you can make a plan, if you have at least one player in your PT that knows this fight you should do fine

again, he is nothing but an overpowered mob, timing is pretty much everything with him

[Reiterpallasch]

I didn't find this LB the least bit fun
Welcome to Tanaka XI

[Luvbunny]

I did this again with another set up - rather surprisingly easy win - perhaps because 2 lvl 99 was helping?

5 beastmaster with 1 summoner. All beasts got buffed by summoner's hastega, blinkga, stoneskinga, and enfire. All beast use goey gerard and brought 3-5 dawn muslum. Beastmaster's use their two hours and engage, use reward and dawn muslum when pet got hit hard - I only used 2 - rampage when you must.

With 5 beast, dual wield plus 5 pets and summoner with Ifrit, each swing of a hit is like 5x2 +5 +2 = 17 hits per swing at roughly 110 hits average (beast hit 80-90 plus 20-40 enfire) = that's a minimum of 1500 damage per one hit swing from everyone. We went with 2 rarab tails, we did not use any, and the summoner did not even two hours at all with Alexander.

FYI - most of the beast are perle geared - not all have damage reduction axes. So yeah it is possible to get easy win with once again, xyz VIP jobs on this bcnm :)

[Dragoy]

About 99 being a factor...

If you did stuff before the levels started going over 75, you could easily see how only a few levels could affect a fight with a NM.

Just look at this fight against the Lord of Onzozo, which used to be a challenge to even a Ninja at level 75!

The video may be unavailable due to me making it private (I will make it public for a time just for this post), and, it is/was just a test of stuff on... the test... server... anyways.


Link removed as the video is no longer available. Wasn't really a good example anyways. D:

Point being: Even a few levels may do a lot.

[Yoky]

RDM maat was fun, DNC limit Break sucked (from what I heard)...99 limit break was easy compared to RDM and what people told me bout DNC...More proof Abyssea ruined all the challenge in this game now people just wanna complain when something is not soloable.

[Ravenmore]

RDM maat was fun, DNC limit Break sucked (from what I heard)...99 limit break was easy compared to RDM and what people told me bout DNC...More proof Abyssea ruined all the challenge in this game now people just wanna complain when something is not soloable.

Rdm maat fight was the only maat fight that possed a real challenge before the ToAU and wotg jobs. Any other of the basic adavnced jobs had a fight that was easier then the mobs you had to farm to get your test. If you wanted to try you're luck on thf all you had to do was steal the item off maat to win, Whm all you had to do was cure your self and almost the same with pld. Drg was my first job to 70 and was a painfully short and boring fight, really it was 3 maybe 4 WSes done and one being to his pet.

Really there are no more crappy whinny players now then at 75 back in the good old days of FF11 you just didn't have to bother with them. Its funny though you mention Rdm while you have pup set as your main I could see just the type of rdm you were if we go by blanket statements.

[hiko]

More proof Abyssea ruined all the challenge in this game now people just wanna complain when something is not soloable.
disagree!
lack of (hard) content outside aby, lack of "true" LB for caps 75->95 (trading item you get while xping is not a quest)
only gimp and sheep QQ about how hard is this fight, once they stop trying to copy some strat they read and make their own they win (lot of people here came QQing "omg impossible fight" then came back later with "we tried xxx strat and it was easy")

[Ravenmore]

disagree!
lack of (hard) content outside aby, lack of "true" LB for caps 75->95 (trading item you get while xping is not a quest)
only gimp and sheep QQ about how hard is this fight, once they stop trying to copy some strat they read and make their own they win (lot of people here came QQing "omg impossible fight" then came back later with "we tried xxx strat and it was easy")

The LBs before the NMs in Xaca and maat were just like the ones from 75-90. Trading a bunch of KS to people around the world wasn't hard.

[saevel]

Rdm maat fight was the only maat fight that possed a real challenge before the ToAU and wotg jobs. Any other of the basic adavnced jobs had a fight that was easier then the mobs you had to farm to get your test. If you wanted to try you're luck on thf all you had to do was steal the item off maat to win, Whm all you had to do was cure your self and almost the same with pld. Drg was my first job to 70 and was a painfully short and boring fight, really it was 3 maybe 4 WSes done and one being to his pet.

Really there are no more crappy whinny players now then at 75 back in the good old days of FF11 you just didn't have to bother with them. Its funny though you mention Rdm while you have pup set as your main I could see just the type of rdm you were if we go by blanket statements.

RDM Maat wasn't *hard*, it was just random. You could go in there and if Maat's AI decided you were going to lose, then you lost period, absolutely nothing you did would make a different. Then on a different run his AI could decide to let you win and it would seem almost easy. The Taru is the same, if he decides to kill everyone then there is jack you can do to stop the Asuran Fists -> Victory Smite spam he'll be doing. In a stand up fight he will just kill everyone once he starts the WS spam. This is about the only time "strategy" enters the picture, if you have a few tails then you can just toss a tail and he'll run around instead of trying to curb stomp everyone.

[ShadowHeart]

this is all i can say about the final boss fight....

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/18873-OH-MY!!!

it does suck that people cant solo and a good amount of casual players 1-2 weeks later cant barely find party to get it done already .... it still wasnt hard if u had party and xp to get her done

[Shong]

Only read the first page on this. OP - learn grammar and get better at FFXI. The fight is easy and should be solo and Mega hard.

Why is it on every game theres some one who cpmplains bout grammer really? freakin lame brain only do that on forums and games grow up. and as for this fight it dose need to be nerf ppl that are coming back are already getting blocked by it why should they have to stop enjoyin a game casue u think it dont need to be nerf? and i do agree solo yes mega hard no

[cidbahamut]

Why is it on every game theres some one who cpmplains bout grammer really? freakin lame brain only do that on forums and games grow up.
Because in the medium of the written word, poor grammar is the equivalent of someone trying to hold a conversation with you while they repeatedly slam their face into a nearby wall. After a while the self-inflicted incomprehensibility makes it more trouble than it is worth to continue the attempt at communication.

If your ideas are worth listening to, it is worth taking the time to articulate them properly.

[Greatguardian]

When some street trash from the hood in Agrabah walks into a room with other people attempting to engage in intelligent discussion and starts rappin' "hey yo dawg is me aldin y u gta cbmplains abt erry1s gramaz dawg is nt cuul man i thgt u was tite wid dat gene an sh*t man u ain col at al grw up", the patrons are obliged to remove the hairy urchin and his putrid smelling monkey from the premises in order to continue said intelligent discussion.

Essentially? Communicating like an educated and intelligent human being is not limited to the workplace. If you can't communicate with others in proper English, then others have absolutely no obligation to listen to you or take you seriously. If you want to communicate with a bunch of 12 year olds who are still trying to get their balls to drop and can't form a single coherent sentence without the words "noob" and "fa-expletive", I would humbly recommend joining the Bungie forums.

[Ketaru]

Why is it on every game theres some one who cpmplains bout grammer really? freakin lame brain only do that on forums and games grow up.

Only you have to put the effort in to type it. Everybody else has to put the effort in to read.

Or just skip over the response altogether. Yes. That would be the appropriate thing to do.

[Zethus]

I have a feeling they revert back to such horrific spelling and grammar when they can't just tab and auto-complete basic phrases to get their points across.

[Alderin]

4-man strat for you. Leaves 2x spots for leechers (which is lame).

1x Summoner with Alexander (if you have summoner and not alex, then you shouldn't uncap your limit).
3x mediocre geared MNK's with Asuran fists. (if you have MNK but not Asuran fists, then once again, your limit should not be uncapped).

Garuda > hastega
MNK's buff & draw their weapons
Astral flow > perfect defence
MNK's run in & hundred fists. 100% tp use Asuran Fists (not V.Smite, Final, Ascetic's).
Fight over.

Yes a 1-on-1 maat style fight would have been better.. But then again their would have been bigger QQ'ers over that, and this is already bad enough.

[hiko]

4-man strat for you. Leaves 2x spots for leechers (which is lame).

1x Summoner with Alexander (if you have summoner and not alex, then you shouldn't uncap your limit).
3x mediocre geared MNK's with Asuran fists. (if you have MNK but not Asuran fists, then once again, your limit should not be uncapped).

Garuda > hastega
Ifrit > inferno howl
MNK's buff & draw their weapons
Astral flow > perfect defence
MNK's run in & hundred fists. 100% tp use Asuran Fists (not V.Smite, Final, Ascetic's).
Fight over.

Yes a 1-on-1 maat style fight would have been better.. But then again their would have been bigger QQ'ers over that, and this is already bad enough.
fixed. hastega is useless on hundred fisting mnk, enfire dmg add a lot more

[Alderin]

fixed. hastega is useless on hundred fisting mnk, enfire dmg add a lot more

I know this, however assuming these MNK's are quite mediocre (as mentioned in the strat), the taru may not die before hundred fists (45 seconds) finishes. Therefore the hastega (3-5mins) is simply a failsafe to ensure more hits / damage before PD wears.

Enfire works also however.

[Khajit]

Cause bloodpacts CLEARLY cant be redone every minute by a naked smn.

[Shong]

I have a feeling they revert back to such horrific spelling and grammar when they can't just tab and auto-complete basic phrases to get their points across.

Let me go ahead and put what I said in simple form for simple minded people such as yourself and the other 3 that are in the 1%. Why is it so many people care bout others typing when every one else can read it just fine? This isn't a essay or a job applicant forum. Back to what I stated in the first page is this Limit break needs to be lowered as people who are returning are having a nightmare of a time getting help, those who claim its so easy I bet you the ones who say it was easy but will never go back for a total stranger to help them? So claim its easy all you want but if you wont help a stranger then its not so easy huh? I can type all fancy too, But in the end dose it really matter?.....No

[Greatguardian]

Let me go ahead and put what I said in simple form for simple minded people such as yourself and the other 3 that are in the 1%. Why is it so many people care bout others typing when every one else can read it just fine? This isn't a essay or a job applicant forum. Back to what I stated in the first page is this Limit break needs to be lowered as people who are returning are having a nightmare of a time getting help, those who claim its so easy I bet you the ones who say it was easy but will never go back for a total stranger to help them? So claim its easy all you want but if you wont help a stranger then its not so easy huh? I can type all fancy too, But in the end dose it really matter?.....No

Yeah. Real fancy.

And no, it requires a good deal more work to "Translate" idiot-speak into intelligible English phrases. If someone is incapable of expressing themselves in a coherent manner, then whatever it is they're trying to say is probably not that important.

Also, it is easy. But I would not help some obnoxious stranger who walked up to me in town and demanded my help. Why? Because my time is valuable. It's not that difficult, sure, but why should I waste my time on some uppity stranger whom I could really give a rat's ass about?

[Shong]

Yeah. Real fancy.

And no, it requires a good deal more work to "Translate" idiot-speak into intelligible English phrases. If someone is incapable of expressing themselves in a coherent manner, then whatever it is they're trying to say is probably not that important.

Also, it is easy. But I would not help some obnoxious stranger who walked up to me in town and demanded my help. Why? Because my time is valuable. It's not that difficult, sure, but why should I waste my time on some uppity stranger whom I could really give a rat's ass about?
Here's what funny is your a troll and the 3 others who complain bout how i type all relaxed second u said it your self u wouldnt help a complete stranger cause your time is "valuable" what bout there's? people like u make me sick just do us a favor and dont post anymore. this thread was for the purpose of helping those who couldnt get help not care about my typing or ur cryin bout it.

[FrankReynolds]

Here's what funny is your a troll and the 3 others who complain bout how i type all relaxed second u said it your self u wouldnt help a complete stranger cause your time is "valuable" what bout there's? people like u make me sick just do us a favor and dont post anymore. this thread was for the purpose of helping those who couldnt get help not care a rat ass bout my typing or ur cryin bout it.

I personally don't expect much in the way of grammar / spelling on an international forum due to the fact that many people who post in English here don't actually speak it as their first language. Although, I will say that your posts are a little annoying, because it seems like you are doing it on purpose. I don't think you should change how you write your posts just because of the grammar police (i personally hate that kind of crap). But, for the sake of keeping people from derailing your discussions, wouldn't it be easier to just use Chrome, or Firefox, or one of the other browsers / extensions that offer spellchecker?

[Shong]

I personally don't expect much in the way of grammar / spelling on an international forum due to the fact that many people who post in English here don't actually speak it as their first language. Although, I will say that your posts are a little annoying, because it seems like you are doing it on purpose. I don't think you should change how you write your posts just because of the grammar police (i personally hate that kind of crap). But, for the sake of keeping people from derailing your discussions, wouldn't it be easier to just use Chrome, or Firefox, or one of the other browsers / extensions that offer spellchecker?

and where is the proof you see of me doing it on purpose ? maybe some people like me have a issue spellin some things ever think bout that? but please just drop this crap as this forum isnt for urs or anyone elses caring bout my spelling.
and if tis so annoyin to read at times why bother?

[Greatguardian]

That's the thing. Do people seriously still use internet explorer or do they just ignore the big, red squiggly lines under every other word they type whenever they write a post? Spellcheck is standard in every browser worth a damn.

If you can't spell, you hopefully aren't old enough to play this game anyways. You know it's against the rules for children under the age of 13 to register, right? If you're over 13 and still can't spell, you may want to put a disclaimer in your sig about your learning disability like that other chick. No one makes fun of her.

[FrankReynolds]

and where is the proof you see of me doing it on purpose ? maybe some people like me have a issue spellin some things ever think bout that? but please just drop this crap as this forum isnt for urs or anyone elses caring bout my spelling.
and if tis so annoyin to read at times why bother?

I was trying to help everyone out (you especially) by suggesting that you use spell check. Not because it makes me happy to see well worded posts, but because it keeps people from changing the topic from what you are talking about into a debate about spelling and grammar. I wasn't trying to make fun of you at all, but given the fact that almost every modern browser has built in spell checking capabilities, I can only assume that you are purposely ignoring it and posting misspelled words and poor grammar intentionally. As annoying as it is to go back and correct mistakes, it's still worth it if it save you from having people change the topic from the level 99 LB ->> to "you mispelled kat you dummy".

The only reason I'm even discussing it is because that's really all there is left to discuss in this particular thread.

[Shong]

I was trying to help everyone out (you especially) by suggesting that you use spell check. Not because it makes me happy to see well worded posts, but because it keeps people from changing the topic from what you are talking about into a debate about spelling and grammar. I wasn't trying to make fun of you at all, but given the fact that almost every modern browser has built in spell checking capabilities, I can only assume that you are purposely ignoring it and posting misspelled words and poor grammar intentionally. As annoying as it is to go back and correct mistakes, it's still worth it if it save you from having people change the topic from the level 99 LB ->> to "you mispelled kat you dummy".

The only reason I'm even discussing it is because that's really all there is left to discuss in this particular thread.

Wrong! no web browser has a built in spell check u gotta down load them from the add in area from the site u got it from.

[FrankReynolds]

Wrong! no web browser has a built in spell check u gotta down load them from the add in area from the site u got it from.

Erm nope. But not worth arguing seeing as you clearly know where to get one. I guess I was wrong. I should have just come in and went "LERN 2 SPELL STUPIDZ!@#". Lesson learned.

[Ketaru]

Although, I will say that your posts are a little annoying, because it seems like you are doing it on purpose.

That's just what bothers me about it. I have to go out of my way 2 typ lik dis lik I rlly dont care lol. How does it come naturally to others? I dont typ like dis unless i am goin out of my way 2 make fun of ppl who typ lik dis roflmao.

[Doombringer]

a lot of it isn't even spelled fon-et-ik-al-lee.

for example.. lik doesn't even LOOK like "like" it looks like "lick"

[Shong]

All of you need to grow up, Funny that all you guys been able to do is act childish bout my spelling. Guess Children will always be children even if they are a teenager. But i will not reply to anymore of your complaints bout my spelling or typing in fact those who are complaining bout it will be label troll and thus not even reply back to. also i will be reporting this forum to a gm to have lock since you children cant grow up and act like adults.

[Runespider]

All of you need to grow up, Funny that all you guys been able to do is act childish bout my spelling. Guess Children will always be children even if they are a teenager. But i will not reply to anymore of your complaints bout my spelling or typing in fact those who are complaining bout it will be label troll and thus not even reply back to. also i will be reporting this forum to a gm to have lock since you children cant grow up and act like adults.

I'm telling teacher on you guys!

The fight wasn't that bad since you're 99, when you get more experience with forums/internet you won't be so touchy about how people respond to you, that's how this stuff works.

[Logandor]

Sadly there are people though who want to just read about winning strats also and not have to read through fights between others over the fact they listed what worked for them or about how others want to do their homework (look over winning strats of others to find a solution best suited for their ls) and I for one thought that is what this forum page was about. -.-

I still hope people who are still catching up and have been waiting (doing their homework for say) can read past that and get an idea of how this taru works and come around to getting their LB done and join us on the 99 level.
Now I get some people didn't like the challenge he proposed (challenge as in finding the right combination of jobs best suited for your skills to fight him with, ect.) as others screamed he was a roll out of the car push over but if you think back to CoP pot fight with the two blm pots and two rdm pots that was, in my opinion, a challenge as well back in the day of 75s.

To me (IN MY OPINION) this fight was fun because it took me a few tries of reading about the damage this guy gives and based on others failed and won attempts, trying my own combinations, trying my bosses combinations, and then finally a tossed together shout group to get it done. It's not that bad of a fight if you look at it from a funny point of view; a good example: "A little taru wants to be a big gulka and try and kick your butt. Are you going to let him? Hell no.....opps spoke to soon. Okay rethink the strat.A few hours later, okay he wants to kick our butt. Not going to happen then boom you win. He goes and cries in a corner throwing a taru tantrum. You and your comrades celebrate and go get your levels & skills." I just took that thought into mind, laughed my way through the fight (all 4 times) and bing-bada-boom 99 access. I and a few friends did this also with CoP & Zillart and it seemed to have worked sense we are on Apoc nigh.

It is really sad that there aren't no true help and honest forum pages on here I've read that does not have bashing and fights breaking out because someone said (typed) something someone else couldn't agree with. No offense to S.E. but highly thinking there forum idea is more and more a big mistake sense very few forum topics are actually of people helping and not bashing others for simple errors or for having a thought of their own. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

You want to discuss fight strats and stuff I'll be more then welcoming to talk about them. Just wished that was what the forum was...oh well so much for wishful thinking.

[FrankReynolds]

For the record: I was trying to point out to the intentionally illiterate poster that in order to keep this thread on topic, it would help if they didn't purposely make their grammar and spelling an easy target for people to make fun of and thus derail the thread. Their response full of purposely misspelled words showed that they were in fact more interested in derailing the thread than posting winning strategies.

ON TOPIC: Basic strategies that have worked for me are:

No Tail) Paladin, whm, and any job that can dual wield and / or use multi-hit weapon skills in rapid succession.

With Tails) Any six jobs that can deal a lot of damage from a distance and / or pet jobs.

[SNK]

Wrong! no web browser has a built in spell check u gotta down load them from the add in area from the site u got it from.

.......................................................................................................................lol


All of you need to grow up, Funny that all you guys been able to do is act childish bout my spelling. Guess Children will always be children even if they are a teenager. But i will not reply to anymore of your complaints bout my spelling or typing in fact those who are complaining bout it will be label troll and thus not even reply back to. also i will be reporting this forum to a gm to have lock since you children cant grow up and act like adults.

Stop crying because the adults here are giving you a hard time about your spelling & grammer. Small mistakes are ok sometimes when you post something but when you write as terrible as you're doing in this thread where people have to double-check what they're reading from you then there's a problem. We're not asking you to write a thesis just read aloud what you're writing and realize that "lik" sounds like "Lick".

I'm sure you're gonna say to someone in real life "Hey I really lick you."

This isn't an AoL chatroom so please just post with the impression that's there an educated person behind the keyboard. More people will respect you for it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Wrong! no web browser has a built in spell check u gotta down load them from the add in area from the site u got it from.If you type the word into the search engine, it spell checks it for you.

[Paidan]

The fight is very difficult, we needed a ochain pld and bst to tank it, not to mention his ws's eat through pld invincibility he 100% resistant too soul eater luckily are rng shadowbind his ass with he used hundredhand fist. Took me 4 tries, and we had emps and relics all over that taru and it was still challenging.

this fight is not hard witha relic, i beat it 10 times in a row no problem for ppl. u jus have to know how to play ur jobs

[bryangelos]

February
Features planned for this month include: a new dungeon crawl system, the latter half of Voidwatch's fourth chapter, a further expansion of the porter moogle system, and adjustments to limit break quest difficulty.

I was looking at the road map and found this, so all those who have been complaining SE already thought about you. For the people who didn't know there jobs or those who have no friends, you will get a easier version, they just wanted to give you some time to figure out how to play your jobs before they gimped it.

[axlzero]

idk what the probem is on lvl 99 cap i got the win first try then went along 4 more times and got the win first try for others it was cake i just metaron torment 3 times then switched GA ukked twice then switched GA and king justice once with conqueror just for kicked idk maybe thats overkill