Limit break BS

[Rizon]

Well SE is up to their normal BS. Seems like you need to find a new item to proceed with the Limit Break to 99. Of there is not the slightest bit of information regarding this item so it is time to go stumbling in the dark til I trip over a seasoning stone. Thanks SE fort all the enjoyment again

[Vold]

If you read the forums regularly you would know that it's an item that drops from all high level monsters. Also I only just started downloading the update because it took them until past 2pm EST to permit it. You're online already I assume and not sure how unless you did the usual trick or my DSL for some reason is THAT bad, so stop complaining. Go kill some GoV mobs.

[Chronofantasy]

Yeah, I've been downloading updates for almost 2 hours on my 360 and laptop, my laptop is at 85% though so I'm almost ready to get on. Then I'll have to join the craze of people who will also be farming high lvl monsters for a silly BC fight. Then I have to find people to join me for the BC fight as well, unless the rare item that makes the BC easier is soloable.

[ShadowHeart]

50mb/s internet speed and mine is still not done either...
there was supposedly 2 items one to make it easier the other if u went in with full group i thought was just KI from moogle i thought...

[svengalis]

If you read the forums regularly you would know that it's an item that drops from all high level monsters. Also I only just started downloading the update because it took them until past 2pm EST to permit it. You're online already I assume and not sure how unless you did the usual trick or my DSL for some reason is THAT bad, so stop complaining. Go kill some GoV mobs.

Well your post wasn't helpful at all...

[Komori]

It drops from all high level monsters, fight high level monsters until you get a unique item? How specific do you expect it to get when most people are still downloading?

[Zumi]

Seems to be really low drop rate item on any mob that gives exp at 95

[Kimikryo]

well does this only drop from outside abyssea mobs? or ANY mob that gives exp to a 95?

I havent logged in yet, just started download ... 5 hours remaining ... wth?

[Komori]

I started 2 hours ago and still have three more to go. I don't know if it's my internet or what.

[Cyrusskorrey]

oh thank goodness im not the only one having a 3+ hours to go on the update and had started 3 hours ago >_<

[Kimikryo]

i rather think its SE limiting the downstream to non jp.

[Zumi]

http://i.imgur.com/jiDU1.jpg

Went 1/2 on turtles for the stone

[ShadowHeart]

where heck are those found?

[Zumi]

where heck are those found?

Gustav Tunnel

[Tile]

seems to be any of the 100+ mobs in GoV drop them like candy just went 2/4 with TH

[Zumi]

Easily won the bc fight with pld mnk war rdm whm brd. Seemed like SE nerfed this from what it use to be on the test server.

[Jackstin]

What is the fight?

[Zumi]

What is the fight?

Your party vs Atori-Tutori the Tarutaru Blackbelt monk.

[ShadowHeart]

without th group of 4 of us did 2 full pages once we added th they dropped like candy even got 2 on the one char want to see what else maybe used for

[Meyi]

What should we expect in the fight once we get to it? Does he do a lot of massive damage at once where bringing lots of curing power is necessary? Or would it be better to substitute a tank with a DD and go that route? How was the MP pool of the RDM and WHM after the fight?

[Zarchery]

Remember at the last limit break, when some people needed to farm rare/ex items, and a huge hissy fit was thrown because of the competition for those items (such as Magicked Skulls), then like a week later the mobs that drop them were plentiful and uncamped?

Look, they have never revealed the way to get anything, but the playerbase always figures this stuff out quickly and it becomes common knowledge.

[scaevola]

What should we expect in the fight once we get to it? Does he do a lot of massive damage at once where bringing lots of curing power is necessary? Or would it be better to substitute a tank with a DD and go that route? How was the MP pool of the RDM and WHM after the fight?

Figure I'll just pool the info I have so far.

To be honest it doesn't seem like anyone is certain what the specific conditions for a mob to drop the stone are. A lot of people are saying 95+, but I hear reports of DC+, too, and Maat's language suggests EP+. At any rate, the one thing I can say for sure is that higher-level mobs have a MUCH higher chance to drop it than lower ones (assuming lower ones do indeed drop it), which seems consistent with SE's goal of staggering access to the BC among the playerbase.

Once you get your stone, unless you are or have access to a well-heeled Ochain PLD with a WHM and another healer backing them (maybe even a SMN for PD, too), Atori is probably going to plow you. There isn't really a way to out-play the amount of damage he's capable of doing; Hundred Fists will wipe the non-PDed DDs of a group in like 10 seconds.

The easier version comes from farming up another stone as well as a Fossilized Fang and Fossilized Bone (these drop from the same mobs as the stone) and trading all three of these to Degenhard. He'll give you a Rarab Tail (seriously) that, when used in the fight, will cause Atori to run around Psychoanima-style for a minute or two, then resume fighting with what I am gathering are lower stats and no Regain (people are reporting him taking more damage, doing less, and WSing much less post-tail). This weakened state is relative, however, and I am not getting the impression that the easier version will be particularly easy for most players, either.

It's too soon for any info on whether you can use multiple tails in a fight and, if you can, if the weakening effects stack. If they do, I imagine most people are going to need multiple tails to have a reasonable shot at clearing the BC. This isn't necessarily a problem; consider getting a tail to be your due diligence. Also, since it sounds like the tail functions like a Psychoanima (at least for a few minutes), unless he's REALLY weak to gravity a tail strategy will heavily favor ranged/pet classes over melee.

If you lose, you can re-access the fight by giving one merit or 5 HKCs to some NPC or another that I can't be bothered to double check right now (probably Nomad Moogle?), but you'll need to farm up the mats for another Rarab Tail if you're going that route.

[Zarchery]

In a week, everything will be crystal clear. I think until then I'm just going to play like the cap is still 95

[Kimikryo]

so saying the other two tiems drop from the same mob as the stone, means that those two items also can drop from EVERYTHING that cons ep+ to a 95?

[scaevola]

I don't know. I'm at work. I am only reporting info I've seen, and that info supports the conclusion that the fossilized items drop from the same mobs as seasoning stone, whatever those mobs may be.

[ShadowHeart]

we got fang from the turtles / worms in gustav cant recall which it dropped from we got 2 pretty fast not seen other item (bone) yet we have farmed the stone for about half our ls atm

[Meyi]

Thank you Scaevola, that was just the information I was looking for. :)

[Kimikryo]

oh and btw. what is PD the only abrevation I know that uses PD is Perfect Dodge

[scaevola]

Perfect Defense. (SMN 2-hour)

[Camiie]

Perfect Defense, the move that Alexander does.

[Kimikryo]

i feel like i am to old school for this game *laughs*

[scaevola]

Oh, also probably worth noting: in a few hours it's possible that someone will take a screenshot and make a liar out of me, but as of right now there have been no reports of anybody getting any of these items from Abyssea mobs, and not for lack of trying. So, it's probably safe to proceed under the assumption that they won't drop in Abyssea, or if they do the drop rate is so low that you might as well just try your luck on EPs outside.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So later, then most people have this fight done, what is everyone else going to do?

[scaevola]

Make forum threads, of course.

[Rezeak]

Quick info on fight

Did it SMN WHM MNK MNK MNK DRK

PD at 100% then zerged (no weakness items)

As a small note, dmg per hit is capped around 100 so dual weilding/hand to hand works
endark did full dmg as well as the normal melee DMG (160 dmg a swing)

Also multi hit weapon skill > single hit

[Meyi]

Oh, also probably worth noting: in a few hours it's possible that someone will take a screenshot and make a liar out of me, but as of right now there have been no reports of anybody getting any of these items from Abyssea mobs, and not for lack of trying. So, it's probably safe to proceed under the assumption that they won't drop in Abyssea, or if they do the drop rate is so low that you might as well just try your luck on EPs outside.

I'd like to say we didn't get any from Garlaige Citadel after about 40 kills (All Decent Challenge/Even Match). Came to Fei'Yin on Tough Monsters, and we've gotten 7/14 so far.

Edit: fixed number of drops.

Also, does anyone know what Fenrite, Shivite, and Ramuite are for?

Edit 2: It appears on BG someone needed 15 Carbites for their Curing staff. So, it looks like these are like geodes.

[Alhanelem]

By the way. Several hours later.

Drop rate "quite high" my foot.

[Meyi]

By the way. Several hours later.

Drop rate "quite high" my foot.

Try Fei'yin. We've had to give away a few Stones because we accidentally aggroed bats and they dropped.

[Kimikryo]

40 kills and no drop? cute, a friend of mine needed 5 hours to get his ancient papyrus, he had someone on switches and a TH75 with full TH back than.
So 40 kills are nothing

What Iwould like to know, if I farm in sky for popitems, can those mobs drob this too? i wanna mix the good with the annoying part somehow

[Meyi]

40 kills and no drop? cute, a friend of mine needed 5 hours to get his ancient papyrus, he had someone on switches and a TH75 with full TH back than.
So 40 kills are nothing

Cool story bro. I spent a week getting my ancient papyrus back in the day. We used to farm them in alliances of level 50s and hope for the best.

If you need your stone, go to Fei'yin, the drops seem to be much higher there.

[geekgirl101]

This sounds like one of the worst LB's ever. What happens when everyone else gets level 99 and those who are just starting out haven't even done LB1? Once they reach this hurdle they'll have a helluva hard time finding anyone to help them out because everyone will be too busy watching PJ chat for farming groups and see this is yet another trivial chore that they don't have any interest in doing because it doesn't give them anything personally.

[Airget]

This sounds like one of the worst LB's ever. What happens when everyone else gets level 99 and those who are just starting out haven't even done LB1? Once they reach this hurdle they'll have a helluva hard time finding anyone to help them out because everyone will be too busy watching PJ chat for farming groups and see this is yet another trivial chore that they don't have any interest in doing because it doesn't give them anything personally.

Um no, I've personally taken the time to help others with LB1 and 2 in the past so how is this last Limit break any different. if anything it'll be easier to accomplish because there are people at 99 who can help. Level 99's aren't going to say no to their lv 95 comrades when they know by helping said comrades they'll be able to have a better chance at winning fights lol. So really the concern you have is pretty silly.

[Dfoley]

What is needed to redo if you win?

I want to help other people with my monk but I am not sure what I need to do now. he no longer accepts 5 high kindered crests. I assume i need to get a new seasoning stone?

[Alhanelem]

Yi
What is needed to redo if you win?

I want to help other people with my monk but I am not sure what I need to do now. he no longer accepts 5 high kindered crests. I assume i need to get a new seasoning stone?
You don't need any special items to help others if you've completed it yourself.

[Meyi]

Eyes in Ranguemont Pass drop Fossilized Bone and Seasoning Stone for sure.

[ShadowHeart]

all new mobs in the tree drop bone as well as all new mobs in gustav drop the fang gl to all in ur fight let us know how it is with this odl rarb tail item compared to the normal route

3 bst 3 smn apparently seems to work as well i havent tried yet myself with anything was too busy helping friend sna sl mates farm stones and bones etc.

[Vold]

Just spent pretty much 6 hours dealing with this. 4 hours worth of it on the fight itself. No win after trying with traditional tank set ups. Looks like zerging + PD for the win or pet groups for me, cause I sure don't have the patience to waste anymore time on PLD tank. Even with 2400 HP he skillchain + lights you in the blink of an eye for the win everytime lol. My last try though was a bit shotty, both melee dropped before we could hit PD to try to zerg it. Shrug. We wanted hard. We got it.

None of my groups ever got to the hundred fists stage, either, for the record. Basic PLD RDM WHM melee melee melee set up. Pretty much same story everytime. Easy until @50% or so, WS spam > kill people > people get angry. Methinks the challenge was upped from where it was at on the test server. But I've been too tired for several hours now so I'll deal with this again tomorrow when I'm rested. Best of luck to everyone still at it. Oh and sure, now mog tablets start popping. Bah whatever.

[Meyi]

From what I've read, it looks like pet parties aren't holding up very well either. He's zerging through pets.

[Calatilla]

This sounds like one of the worst LB's ever. What happens when everyone else gets level 99 and those who are just starting out haven't even done LB1? Once they reach this hurdle they'll have a helluva hard time finding anyone to help them out because everyone will be too busy watching PJ chat for farming groups and see this is yet another trivial chore that they don't have any interest in doing because it doesn't give them anything personally.

Suppose it's just as well not everyone thinks the same way as you. Have you never helped anyone with anything just because you did'nt get something in return? How about those times when you have some time to spare between events etc?

Many times I've helped random strangers with LB quests and never asked for a reward. Also, unless you literally have no friends or a linkshell they'll always be someone to help you.

[Rohelius]

yeah i just tried it with a shout group went 0/2

First was PLD-DRK-MNK-WHM-WHM-SMN Fail.. PLD went down way too fast then it was like dominos.

Second was BST-SMN-SMN-DRK-WHM-MNK Fail again. This time we got it to 60% before it killed a smn.

Its weapon Skills seem to get stronger the more it uses them, i think a pet pt has better chance as long as they bounce around the hate, just know that WS will one shot the pet so u gotta have someone else to take the hate.

my group didn't have the extra items so i don't know how those affect the battle and its late for me so i am done for today.

I wouldn't put it past SE to make this easier for SAM...

I say go in with a pt of SAM and RDM/STUN same drill Stunga Meiko-rapega with Seigan 3rd eye up should down that taru fast.

[Calatilla]

From what I've heard, single hit ws's are fail on him, even fudo did less than 100 dmg, multi-hits is where its at.

I went 1/3 in this, first 2 attempts with 4mnk 2whm and fail both at around 50%, 3rd attempt we decided to try a PLD tank (ochain/almace) 3mnk + 2whm. PLD took next to no damage the whole fight and we won easily in around 7mins.

[Alerith]

I'll post our winning setup for ya'll, and if you don't believe it, that's all on you.

PLD/WAR, PLD/WAR, PLD/WAR, WHM/RDM, WHM/RDM, SAM/DNC

We used the Rarab Tail when he used Hundred Fists. Finished the fight in 8 minutes, 34 seconds. All three PLD had full creed, one used Almace, one used Honorbound and the other used Accolade sword if I recall correctly.

Chant Du Cygne averaged about 300 damage. Vorpal Blade did between 100-300 depending. The SAM used Tachi: Kagero, but I found that Rana is better and consistently does 250-300.

We had some close calls, but for the most part, PLD took extremely small amounts of damage. WHMs were good on the cures and kept us all in relative high HP. As I said, they both had to convert.

The Taru never turned to the SAM, and with the way we three PLD were bouncing around hate, we hardly got skillchained at all. He would use a weaponskill on one PLD then turn and use on on another, so damage was reasonably spread out. A few close calls, as I said. Asuran fists can hurt if your shield abilities are down.

Reprisal and Palisade are invaluable for this fight, since you can shield block physical weaponskills. Sentinel as well for obvious reasons. One PLD Invincible'd so he could pop the Rarab Tail without the risk of dying.

Still a bit hyped up, so if I left anything out, feel free to ask.

(Note, only one PLD had an empyrean which was Almace. All three of us used Seigneur shields.)

[Tile]

I won first try without weakness item. Mnk x2, War, Dnc (myself), Sch, Rdm.

we went inside and buffed since we didn't know if buff would wipe. Sch 2 hour'd and used Embrava, regen IV, Pro, Shell, Stone skin, Phalanx, Barfire, Firestorm, Regain, and hasted everyone. We charged in and I used Haste Samba.

monks and the war did what they do best and went to town on him, I would toss out a Violent Flourish (everyone landed) when every the timer was up, and would Waltz anyone low on hp, rdm and sch tossed out cures. one of the monks went from full to dead instantly didn't catch what it was. other then that no one got below 50% hp.

whole fight lasted 4:43 including buffs.

[Runespider]

Really suprised they left PD as a viable strat for this, turned was would of been a decent balanced old school fight into a zerg with immune DD.


This sounds like one of the worst LB's ever. What happens when everyone else gets level 99 and those who are just starting out haven't even done LB1? Once they reach this hurdle they'll have a helluva hard time finding anyone to help them out because everyone will be too busy watching PJ chat for farming groups and see this is yet another trivial chore that they don't have any interest in doing because it doesn't give them anything personally.

Mercs, they will probably nerf the fight down next update anyway.

[Luvbunny]

So basically unless you have xyz jobs - with rather good gears, none of those basic gears, you are rather screwed royally. All the shouts so far are for beast and monks, summoner with perfect defense. And hopefully you have your beast with the two axes for 20% damage reductions on pet. We have 20 jobs - a good deal of them are "not wanted" on this bcnm - and pretty much an easy way out for developers to forced these players to either level xyz jobs or stay at 95 permanently or pay for mercenary groups. This seems like "amazing bullshit" coming out of the unmentionable's ass.

[Brolic]

went 6\6(helping ls out\selling wins) it's a super easy fight, didn't bother with the enfeeble item(s?) never droped below 1500hp. his melee hits do 0 most of the times with phalanx up and the add effect is 10ish. The only constant in any of the fights were me(pld) and the whm, the rest was just random dd, fights never took over 10mins.

[Meyi]

To be fair we went in with some "wanted" jobs and still lost. Even with rarab tails. First time we had SMNx4 BSTx2, second time we had MNK WHM RDM SMN SMN BST, and still kicked the bucket.

Maybe tomorrow.^^b

I feel like a small fish right about now...

[Camiie]

Um no, I've personally taken the time to help others with LB1 and 2 in the past so how is this last Limit break any different. if anything it'll be easier to accomplish because there are people at 99 who can help. Level 99's aren't going to say no to their lv 95 comrades when they know by helping said comrades they'll be able to have a better chance at winning fights lol. So really the concern you have is pretty silly.


No, this concern is pretty dead on. There are FAR more people that don't help than do. You and I might be helpful, but we're the vast minority. Heck I already had someone give me the cold shoulder on this. Once this is no longer new and fresh it's going to be hell for that lone new 95 to get someone to come out to help him farm and fight.

I realize this is an MMO, but if anything should be solo content it should be limit breaks. Precedent and nostalgia be damned, but people in general simply don't help unless there's something in it for them. And helping some new player get to cap isn't something most players see as a direct benefit to themselves. You have a good point in that helping that player does ultimately help the group and I wholeheartedly agree, but many people don't see that.

[Brolic]

This sounds like one of the worst LB's ever. What happens when everyone else gets level 99 and those who are just starting out haven't even done LB1? Once they reach this hurdle they'll have a helluva hard time finding anyone to help them out because everyone will be too busy watching PJ chat for farming groups and see this is yet another trivial chore that they don't have any interest in doing because it doesn't give them anything personally.

offer 100k

[Vold]

went 6\6(helping ls out\selling wins) it's a super easy fight, didn't bother with the enfeeble item(s?) never droped below 1500hp. his melee hits do 0 most of the times with phalanx up and the add effect is 10ish. The only constant in any of the fights were me(pld) and the whm, the rest was just random dd, fights never took over 10mins.Why am I not surprised Cpt FFXI here considers it a super easy fight and sees fit to inform us of his great and honorable deeds. He is so special and never takes any damage. If you're not him, you get raped. I'm glad this has been established.

BTW I'm not actually doubting you because I just watched a video of another PLD getting through it rather easily. So I guess you need a perfectly geared PLD tank to have any real chance and not just a well geared PLD. Because mine is pretty well damn geared but it lacks any decent shield. Never below 1500 HP though, I think I might call BS on that noise.

[ShadowHeart]

already people shouting in our server to pay for clears.... hearing nightmare stories of 0/9 here :(

[Brolic]

Why am I not surprised Cpt FFXI here considers it a super easy fight and sees fit to inform us of his great and honorable deeds. He is so special and never takes any damage. If you're not him, you get raped. I'm glad this has been established.

for the low low price of 100k per helper, i could protect you from the mean ole rapist

[ShadowHeart]

if u were on ceberus u would get it from a lot from what i have seen

[Dreamin]

People just need to assess their party's strength and weakness and adjust your strategy accordingly. Just like the pre-nerf'ed CoP. There's no single winning strategy that will work for everyone/every party. You really need to look at the various strategies out there and adopt them to what the players you have in your party (not just for job but the strength and weakness of each of your actual players).

I won with: SMN (PD to start), 1x MNK, 1x PUP, 1x NIN, 1x RDM, 1x WHM. Used 2 items (2nd by accident). We have 1 Emp (NIN) and no other one has Emp/Relic/Mythic. It can be done if you plan accordingly and adj based on what you have. For example, our RDM originally was going to be a BLM but skill wasn't capped so we switched to RDM as backup healer/lighter-nuker (chance of need for chainspell nuke). WHM was originally going to be 2nd MNK but PUP's WHM wan't geared/skilled. So we adjust there. NIN originally was to be PLD but we rather have more damage since we already have PD to start along with items. Only MNK die after PD wore off. WHM there to cure bomb after PD and RDM there to add dmg with Nukes and Debuf and backup heal. PUP's pet was setup as BLM nuker. SMN used Garuda and PClaw whenever it's up (~1k per BP). [note: Wind Blade was only doing ~300 dmg though and 5/5 on merit on Wind Blade but do not remember what the day was].

Good Luck everyone!

[wyattdoc]

Great Job to the morons in the dev. department 95 thf been farming for 5 hours now on it+ mobs and not 1 Frigune stone has drop

[scaevola]

This is probably the most SCH-friendly fight I've ever seen, with the damage cap.

Perp+Accession Embrava, Phalanx, Enspell, and throw some tails.

[ShadowHeart]

wyatt try the turtles or worms in gustav we were about 1/3 for stones did over half our ls in couple hours would been faster if it wasnt for the 500 other people down there as well...
the drops for fang was more around 1/30 i would guess
the bone in the tree was about 1/10 for us

[xbobx]

Something to add, if you go the route of getting the items that weaken him, which many seem to do, make sure you have damage dealers that do damage either by chasing the mob or from ranged. On melee once he starts running around it is hard to hit him and definitely cannot weapon skill him until he stops. Of course soon as he stops he will one shot someone.

So Smn, Rng and BLM seem best for this. I was thinking about this last night, Smn obviously can chase mob and do BP while moving, so can Puppet, and being that hate is not an issue when he is running around Rng/Sam could probably spam 4-5. Build 200 tp while PD is up and mnk is doing his 2 hour. Then use item, WS, WS, barrage, WS, Meditate, WS, Wing, WS.

[Komori]

1/3 on item in Onzozo on Skeletons then went to Rang. Pass to do a LS farm for everyone else. Went into the fight without enfeeble items with a Paladin without o-chain, not sure of Aegis we were being rushed; 2 BST, RDM, WHM and SMN. Don't believe either of us BST had PDT axes, I know I didn't but GooeyGerard sponged quite a few hits for the PLD and so did the other BST's Gerard. Me and other BST melee'd with the pets and PLD and snarled enmity to pets and our PLD dropped to 200 HP once but didn't die. RDM chainspelled to cure him back up quickly, no one else used a 2hr. Was pretty easy and laid-back for us but maybe we just got lucky on his WS choices. 1/1

[scaevola]

I'd like to say we didn't get any from Garlaige Citadel after about 40 kills (All Decent Challenge/Even Match). Came to Fei'Yin on Tough Monsters, and we've gotten 7/14 so far.

Edit: fixed number of drops.

Also, does anyone know what Fenrite, Shivite, and Ramuite are for?

Edit 2: It appears on BG someone needed 15 Carbites for their Curing staff. So, it looks like these are like geodes.

Drop rate is straight-up Low. No real way around this. I got my items from DCs in Dangruf, for whatever that's worth, but it took a while.

Shellmates of mine are 0/3 without having yet used a tail; we'll be going again tonight. They are NOT in good gear by any means (PLD has an 85 Almace; most of the rest is a mix of a few +2 AF3, mostly +1s, and some APT) and went with a mishmash of semi-optimal jobs (RDM and SCH healing), but only wiped once. They timed out twice due to low damage; they forgot about/didn't really understand the damage cap and did stuff like have somebody go SAM rather than THF and let a BLU use Heavy Strike (97 damage boyeeee). The SCH did not use TR>Embrava, and I don't think it occurred to them to use enspells. Yeah, they weren't prepared at all. Even with that, their time-outs were at 9% and 1%.

It doesn't really seem that bad, honestly. Use dual-wield jobs for damage whenever possible, focus on multihit WS, and above all pick your jobs and build your strategy around available two-hours. WHM might be a straight-up better healer, but if you've already got one healer in the group and you have the choice between going as WHM and a competent healer with a stronger two-hour like SCH or SMN, the latter's going to be way more useful.

[Camiie]

It doesn't really seem that bad, honestly. Use dual-wield jobs for damage whenever possible, focus on multihit WS, and above all pick your jobs and build your strategy around available two-hours.

Luckily I have WAR MNK DNC and BST which all fit the Dual Wield/H2H mold and I have SMN for Perfect Defense. Poor SAM sounds kinda left out on this one unless Dual Wielding swords is somehow effective?

But even if certain jobs are ineffective in a fight everyone must do I'm sure that somehow equals BALANCE to the devs. I'm just not as smart as them so I can't see it!

[scaevola]

What I'm seeing is people suggesting that if you absolutely must use SAM and can't use a tail (which removes the damage cap and thus makes the hand-wringing irrelevant), Penta Thrust works. Regardless, it would be one thing if leveling were still pulling teeth and everyone and their mother did not have 6-7 jobs at 95, but I think it's fine for particular jobs to shine in a fight that favors two-hours. A naked SCH or SMN isn't going to have quite as strong an Embrava/Perfect Defense as one with best-in-slot gear, but that doesn't mean Embrava/PD aren't by themselves strong enough to make a big, big difference.

I *think* the biggest concern with the tail is that a PLD, Ochain or no, is the only one with a reasonable shot at surviving some of the more unlucky events in this fight, and the damage cap keeps the DDs from ripping hate too easily. When we go tonight, I'm going to recommend we start with the SCH buff routine, then proceed as normal tail-less until the melee has capped hate and the PLD can't tank anymore, at which point we PD (Embrava Regen/Phalanx should cover the damage; I am sure my LS leader, the nicest, most humble and helpful secret-melee-RDM you'll ever meet, will be looking forward to this) and Hundred Fists into his own HF, use a tail, Gravity him, and have everyone unload.

I'll let you know how it goes!

[Brolic]

Luckily I have WAR MNK DNC and BST which all fit the Dual Wield/H2H mold and I have SMN for Perfect Defense. Poor SAM sounds kinda left out on this one unless Dual Wielding swords is somehow effective?

But even if certain jobs are ineffective in a fight everyone must do I'm sure that somehow equals BALANCE! I'm just not clever enough to see it!
Do you sincerely know someone without a mage job or is able to play a dw job? it's a level cap per character not job, i'm sure by now everyone has a job that's useful in this fight. you want to talk balance, finally a fight where pld is useful.

[JiltedValkyrie]

I thought the fight was challenging and amazingly fun. Definitely the right balance for a challenge. Could have gone horribly wrong, but we won! (see post in thread: Olde Rarab Tail)

[Camiie]

Do you sincerely know someone without a mage job or is able to play a dw job? it's a level cap per character not job, i'm sure by now everyone has a job that's useful in this fight.


Are you sure? Of course you're not. You have no idea what everyone has or doesn't have leveled. No one should assume everyone has a certain category of job leveled or presume to tell them that they should level any particular job.



you want to talk balance, finally a fight where pld is useful.


Only in SE's world is that balance. "Oh my favorite job is good here and here and here but it sucks for this and that and the other thing." Balance should not be measured by how many events or fights one's job is useful for. Ironically, even by that standard there's nothing even close to balance in FFXI.

I feel for you on the way PLD has been treated as of late. I've felt the sting of uselessness many times, and I don't want anyone who's working hard and doing all the right things on their favored job to ever have to feel that way. When we get as close to that point as humanly possible, then we have balance.

[scaevola]

Are you sure? Of course you're not. You have no idea what everyone has or doesn't have leveled. No one should assume everyone has a certain category of job leveled or presume to tell them that they should level any particular job.


No one is saying that anyone should have a particular job leveled. What we are saying is that out of the half-dozen jobs most people have leveled in the full year since Dominion Ops came out, odds are good that at least one of them will be one of the dozen jobs that are particularly well-suited to this fight.

We are not even suggesting that you need to be on one of those jobs to finish it. If anything, I'd have thought my post outing my linkshell as having gone in woefully unprepared but still getting really close to winning the hard mode would have made that clear.

What we ARE saying is that the damage cap puts jobs that rely on big hits like two-handers, RNG, and BLM at a major disadvantage in this fight if you don't use a tail. Not for nothing, if you DO use a tail RNG and BLM suddenly become the best DDs available, so really all we're saying is you probably shouldn't show up as DRK, DRG, or SAM if you can help it.

[Logandor]

Okay so from what I am reading Drg, thf, and sam or kinda going to be sol on this fight in some sense. :( Guess it's time to pull whm back out and level it to 95 from 91. Any other suggestions on this guy because from the sounds of things if you don't got a smn or pld friend your going to need to either A) go level it your self and get it all preped and prettied, B) pay a ton of gil to ask for a hand, or C) stick to 95 like glue til it gets nerfed down in a later update.

As for helping people I've been out on thf sense I was on yesterday helping random people for zilch and getting them their stones of joy. I am even helping a level 60+ whm get up to 70 for his first maat fight ever. In a sense of people not helping out the lower levels I guess I am not one of them. If anyone needs a thf to help on your stuff and your on carby and see me page me and I'll help you out as well. Just tossing that out and no charge.

Also we got snow finally here in the northwest. :D I am watching it fall outside right now. Nice big snowflakes.

[Camiie]

No one is saying that anyone should have a particular job leveled. What we are saying is that out of the half-dozen jobs most people have leveled in the full year since Dominion Ops came out, odds are good that at least one of them will be one of the dozen jobs that are particularly well-suited to this fight.


Well, my comments were really directed at SE and their sycophants. Sorry if my aim was off.

[Valonquar]

People have had good luck at the windy entrance to toramai killing the skeletons just inside

[scaevola]

Okay so from what I am reading Drg, thf, and sam or kinda going to be sol on this fight in some sense. :( Guess it's time to pull whm back out and level it to 95 from 91. Any other suggestions on this guy because from the sounds of things if you don't got a smn or pld friend your going to need to either A) go level it your self and get it all preped and prettied, B) pay a ton of gil to ask for a hand, or C) stick to 95 like glue til it gets nerfed down in a later update.


THF's pretty good. Besides being a solid DW job with strong multihit WSes and a two-hour that renders it immune to all damage, this seems to be a fight with a lot of hate resets (reports of Atori running off to smack a healer randomly after WS, etc.), which means TA+Dancing Edge on a PLD is meaningful if enmity keeps getting reset before anybody can cap it.

[Logandor]

THF's pretty good. Besides being a solid DW job with strong multihit WSes and a two-hour that renders it immune to all damage, this seems to be a fight with a lot of hate resets (reports of Atori running off to smack a healer randomly after WS, etc.), which means TA+Dancing Edge on a PLD is meaningful if enmity keeps getting reset before anybody can cap it.

Okay I was not sure sense I had not seen anyone put any postings about winning matches including thfs on here yet so was getting a little nervous that I would have to go back to whm lol.

[scaevola]

I don't know the specifics of his hate resets, if you could even call them that. All I know is that if a mob EVER picks a WHM to beat on over a double-soul-voiced MNK it pretty much has to be because of a full hate reset, and in that case (and in this fight), a 400+ point TA+Dancing Edge immediately after the Flash/Provoke/Whatever is Worth Doing.

EDIT: Also, SMN can more or less be considered another tail. Really useful to get through HF in one piece but you could use a tail for that; if you need Perfect Defense to survive outside of HF and you aren't straight-up Tabula Rasa 4xMNK Hundred Fists zerging the hell out him you probably didn't have that great a shot to begin with.

[scaevola]

Well, my comments were really directed at SE and their sycophants. Sorry if my aim was off.

The damage cap is great, actually. Rendering Emp WSes and ODD procs pointless was pretty much the only way to ensure the fight would be challenging for everyone without being totally impossible for many.

[xbobx]

Drg may not be that bad, unlike Sam and Drk at least you have the wyvern to do dmg too, and it hits fairly fast. That could make up for the disadvantage.

You also have jumps, 2 jumps, your 2 hour resets those , it may not be all that bad.

[Logandor]

Drg may not be that bad, unlike Sam and Drk at least you have the wyvern to do dmg too, and it hits fairly fast. That could make up for the disadvantage.

You also have jumps, 2 jumps, your 2 hour resets those , it may not be all that bad.

Well I will try the fight with all my highest jobs and let you all know how it goes :) though whm seems to be a popular one for a set up already so I'll leave that job out of it. Going to go farm some more items for the fight. :)

[Babekeke]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Clear time 3 mins 33 seconds

Buffed outside with the usual pro/shell/earthen ward/aerial armour/reraise

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

Additional effect from inferno howl did 34 damage, occasionally being resisted to 30 or 17. This is with 362 summoning magic skill.

BST only used Rampage, MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Rampage 440
Asuran Fists 711
Asuran Fists 638
Fire III 95
Asuran Fists 588
Blizard III 86
Chaotic Strike 236
Blizard II 95
Asuran Fists 720
Asuran Fists 636
Thunder III 89
Rampage 273
Asuran Fists 489
Asuran Fists 733

Shock Squall landed, Feral Howl missed.
Melee hits landed for ~50-95 damage
Ramuh was 11-45 per melee swing. Was only really there to help stun hundred fists, not that it was really needed.

I included all the random crap I could. Unfortunately, didn't parse, so I can't say how much HP he had (no, I'm not adding it up).

Edit: Just noticed people said about a hate reset... 1 of our 3 MNK held hate the entire fight. She was first to engage and to HF and WS'd about twice as often as the others. Noone pulled hate from her at all. She lost maybe 1k HP through out the fight (after EW dropped), and RDM cast Phalanx 2 on her after Earthen Ward ran out.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

[Meyi]

Drop rate is straight-up Low. No real way around this. I got my items from DCs in Dangruf, for whatever that's worth, but it took a while.

Shellmates of mine are 0/3 without having yet used a tail; we'll be going again tonight. They are NOT in good gear by any means (PLD has an 85 Almace; most of the rest is a mix of a few +2 AF3, mostly +1s, and some APT) and went with a mishmash of semi-optimal jobs (RDM and SCH healing), but only wiped once. They timed out twice due to low damage; they forgot about/didn't really understand the damage cap and did stuff like have somebody go SAM rather than THF and let a BLU use Heavy Strike (97 damage boyeeee). The SCH did not use TR>Embrava, and I don't think it occurred to them to use enspells. Yeah, they weren't prepared at all. Even with that, their time-outs were at 9% and 1%.

It doesn't really seem that bad, honestly. Use dual-wield jobs for damage whenever possible, focus on multihit WS, and above all pick your jobs and build your strategy around available two-hours. WHM might be a straight-up better healer, but if you've already got one healer in the group and you have the choice between going as WHM and a competent healer with a stronger two-hour like SCH or SMN, the latter's going to be way more useful.

Drop rate isn't really too too awful. But maybe that was because I had Treasure Hunter most of the time?

Both times we lost because of time out. First time we had about 5% HP left to go, second time about 20%. If we had had just a few more minutes we would have been golden, haha.

I agree with your strategy. -nod- I wish I had Alexander for my summoner. Maybe I should get that first before I try the limit break again.

[Babekeke]

Drop rate isn't really too too awful. But maybe that was because I had Treasure Hunter most of the time?

We had 12 people killing skeles in Labyrinth of Onzozo and they were dropping ~every 3rd mob. We had 3 TH6 THFs though, so even the adds were guaranteed someone to tag it.

[Izzybella]

What is needed to redo if you win?

I want to help other people with my monk but I am not sure what I need to do now. he no longer accepts 5 high kindered crests. I assume i need to get a new seasoning stone?

Dominic in Tenshodo in Lower Jeuno will warp you to the Burning circle of your choice after you have finished LB quest and you can help anyone else by just going in.

I've had wins in a 6 person BST group using Gooey, no tail used and also 4 BSTs and 2BLM using the olde rarab tail.