Operation Get SE to Listen

[StingRay104]

As we all know SE has been failing to listen to us about all our concerns on so many fronts, and thus the game has become absolute trash. I suggest that everyone put a stop to payments on their accounts for 1 month, the month of January, as a whole they might get the idea if they find themselves short of alot of money. If someone can translate and post this on all the other language forums to help spread the word, we need SE to suffer for 1 month like we have for years.

[Xellith]

This has been suggested in the past numerous times. Make a stand if you wish - just don't be surprised that others do not follow. People have numerous reasons to keep playing: habit, chat, something to do, addiction, friendships, etc. Most people aren't going to drop it all.

[Brolic]

i think the game is going in a great direction, I'm entirely satisfied

[Arcon]

i think the game is going in a great direction, I'm entirely satisfied

I'm not really, but I'll agree just to piss people off. Also, this won't work, as was stated before.

[Brolic]

Fights are short, ultimate weapons are attainable, downtime is almost nonexistent. idk what is there to hate

[Finuve]

Fights are short, ultimate weapons are attainable, downtime is almost nonexistent. idk what is there to hateI find this to be a pretty huge problem, and the fact that there isnt enough large manned content

[Arcon]

Fights are short, ultimate weapons are attainable, downtime is almost nonexistent. idk what is there to hate

I meant all the little things the development team does along with their retarded excuses for said things. As a whole I have no problem with where XI is headed.

[SpankWustler]

I think "Operation: Leave a Flaming Bag of Cat Poop on SE's Doorway" might be a better start. Far more concrete goal.

[Kriegsgott]

As we all know SE has been failing to listen to us about all our concerns on so many fronts, and thus the game has become absolute trash. I suggest that everyone put a stop to payments on their accounts for 1 month, the month of January, as a whole they might get the idea if they find themselves short of alot of money. If someone can translate and post this on all the other language forums to help spread the word, we need SE to suffer for 1 month like we have for years.

Operation play another MMORPG <you can have this!>

[Chronofantasy]

I actually like that it is becoming more and more casual friendly. It's fine that some things are a little quicker, it makes many of my goals more attainable plus now I don't feel the need to play 24/7 just to not feel entirely behind because others spent 24/7 for a month just to get one thing ingame done. There is so much content in the game for even the hardcore to play. ie. low % of playerbase that has completed WotG storyline. There are so many other games to play out there as well if you're getting bored of FFXI and lessen your playtime on FFXI while you go and play some other games.

[Jerynh]

I find this to be a pretty huge problem, and the fact that there isnt enough large manned content

I like this.

I miss old Dynamis.

[Urteil]

Lineage 2 just opened three new servers.


That game is nearly as old or probably older than FFXI.

SE is doing it wrong. Korea is winning!

[Krashport]

Nothing ever stays the same, enjoy it while you can after all its just a game! I think Square Enix did and still doing a fine job with an outdated game. OP Maybe ya been playing the game for far to long without a break!

[StingRay104]

I quit paying for my accounts back in Sept so as to focus on my career in RL, but I have been reading everything that has been goin on and I have to say SE you have really screwed up. We are level 99 bound and yet the ws's past level 60 don't stack up to the ones we got at 60, although this isn't the case with all jobs just most. Our ja's are circumstantial at best and offer very little to the jobs you give them to. Then theres the fact you decide to nerf things instead of bringing everything up to par with the new highs, which is what you claimed was the companies intentions. The only things I've seen that have been decent has been the much needed updates to PUP and the addition of a strong multihit ws to GS, aside from that all we have is a bunch of bullshit. Its funny because lvl 99 has been the top level in almost all FF titles and there has been many other caps like 255 in skills and lets not forget 9999 in hp/mp and damage a swing, yet with these past limits you have decided to just say we like it at the low levels that it is, that way we can string these people on forever. Well personally I'll probably come back in a year, by then you should have accomplished what should have only taken a month of listening to us to implement.

As for everyone else, I'm sure you all are quite pissed at many things the game has done, yea I see lots of support for the big long game windows of the pre abyssea days so you can horde all the super gear to yourselves and call yourself elite, and thats fine I'm not saying all super gear should be easy, I just think that there should be decent options considering the progress of the game and all jobs should be strong in their own rights. Its that word thats been thrown around like crazy called BALANCE!!! Without this the game falls apart, kinda like the state its in now. Its one thing to take suggestions and apply game dynamics and make them reasonable while considering game longevity, but to completely ignore all talk about what is currently wrong with the game and even go to the extremes of telling us that you agree and are planning to balance everything out and then just ignore us, thats just wrong. This forum is about communication, and we are talking, now its time for you to respond proactively.

Finally I want to make sure the DEV team understands this concept because at current they don't so please Camate send them this message: The test server was put in place so that new features of the game can be tested for function and bugs followed by debate on how the ability works and then proper addjustments are made until the ability functions up to the standards it was designed for. Kinda hard to live up to that if your going ahead and implementing all these new ws's before all the adjustments and readjustments have been made. We the playerbase expect more bang for our buck as the saying goes and you've given us crap and expect gold in return, which is why I say we all boycott the company and stop our payments for the month of January (hell the longer we all hold out the faster they'll work on implementation) and therefore making sure you hear us loud and clear.

[Alerith]

SE provides the test servers so we can test the content.

SE provides the forums so we may leave feedback about the content.

SE listens to our feedback about the content.

SE is not required to act on our feedback about the contetn.

[Arcon]

I quit paying for my accounts back in Sept [..]

Now I know why you so casually suggested to quit FFXI for a month.

[Luvbunny]

SE provides the test servers so we can test the content.

SE provides the forums so we may leave feedback about the content.

SE never listens to our feedback about the content.

SE is never ever - no way in hell - is going to act on our feedback about the content - not enough resource, more hamster wheel. Nah we are just lazy but we want your money.

There I fixed it :)

[StingRay104]

Now I know why you so casually suggested to quit FFXI for a month.

Do people really have nothing else better to do for 1 month, these people won't do anything until we mess with their money, they won't be proactice or even follow their own concepts they hand us. What happened to lower the physical power of war slightly and then raising every other dd to this standard? What happened to a total reevaluation of ws's? Where is some of the older ideas they have brought up like PD increasing SA damage or increasing dark magic capabilities so that the absorb line of spells weren't useless. Hell the absorb spells can't stack with cruor buffs unlike every other stat buff spell and ability, and that should be a simple fix. Instead of being synical about someones choice to better their lives while at the same time want the game to be in a much better place when they return how about you actually do something to help get things where they need to be.

If you think one person won't make a difference, then for once just try it, you'd be surprised of the result.

[Zatias]

I didn't realize how tired of this game I was until I got Dark Souls.

[saevel]

There I fixed it :)


What people don't seem to understand is the feedback was put in place back when the previous guy was running FFXI. He actually valued our input and used it to try to make things that would keep us interested and make us a happy customer base. He did such a good job they moved him and his team over to fix FFXIV.

Now ... the team that did FFXIV, their the ones who blatantly ignored the beta testers, and all the feedback on FFXIV's development. They just went ahead and did what they wanted to do regardless of how their customers would receive it. Them doing this resulted in one of the worst launch's of a triple A title ever made and the tarnishing of a multi-billion dollar company and it's star franchise. They were so bad that they've become a case study for how not to develop a major game. Now that the previous group has been moved on to fix this groups colossally expensive screw up they needed people to maintain the previous FFXI and just happen to have a team recently freed of their responsibilities on FFXIV.

So if your wondering why their not listening anymore and blatantly ignoring their paying customers, it's because they do not care about your input, they don't want it, won't listen to it and will be just as happy if you never give it to begin with. They have turned the feedback forums into a PR media outlet only.

[Zarchery]

This'll probably fail due to the fact that the disgruntled are a vocal minority and the loss of their dues is not likely to make a significant impact on the company's bottom line.

There is no advantage to SE listening either, because if they do, there will simply be more demands and more whining. It's like the advance fee fraud, where paying the fees doesn't result in you getting your money, it only results in the scammers asking for more.

[Zarchery]

SE provides the test servers so we can test the content.

SE provides the forums so we may leave feedback about the content.

SE listens to our feedback about the content.

SE is not required to act on our feedback about the content.
That's it in a nutshell. Reminds me of something a Theology teacher once told me. "Just because God doesn't answer your prayers doesn't mean He isn't listening. It means he listened and the answer was no."

Like with prayer, where people expect God to be their personal genie, people expect that their every whim be fulfilled because it is asked for on the forum.

If SE wasn't listening to the playerbase, Abyssea wouldn't exist; 20,000 XP per hour would still be considered phenomenal; Fafnir, Behemoth, and Adamantoise would still be 24-hour pops; Field Manuals and Grounds Tomes would not automatically repeat and would only be useable once per day. That's just to name a few. SE is wise enough to realize that you can't please everyone, but they do the bst they can.

[SpankWustler]

SE is wise enough to realize that you can't please everyone, but they do the bst they can.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/jrcroissant/Hit070831123357a.jpg

Indeed.

[xbobx]

i think the game is going in a great direction, I'm entirely satisfied


You mean servers being shut down? because that is exactly where it is headed. You elitist are in a minority.

[saevel]

You mean servers being shut down? because that is exactly where it is headed. You elitist are in a minority.

He's not an elitist, he's just trolling everyone. His comments are deliberately placed to incite negative emotions to stir up hate. Best to just add him to your ignore list, he'll go away once people stop talking to him.

[Brolic]

You mean servers being shut down? because that is exactly where it is headed. You elitist are in a minority.


Fights are short, ultimate weapons are attainable, downtime is almost nonexistent. idk what is there to hate


where's the elitism there?

[Arcon]

If you think one person won't make a difference, then for once just try it, you'd be surprised of the result.

First of all, one person will never make a difference. That's your hippie mindset at work.

Secondly, as I said before, I have no problems with where XI is headed.

[Quetzacoatl]

I think we just need to ask Square-Enix one thing as far as giving out feedback goes:

What ever happened with that phrase that is held dear in Japan: "the customer is always right?" Why do you not apply this to suggestions we give out based on test server findings?

In this instance, the playerbase knows probably everything about the game, even to the extent of the game's programming. Why is it that SE tries to keep every job in a homogenized state and not branch out a little bit more?

Why can't DRK get Dark Magic Fast Cast and Damaging Dark Magic that casts about as fast as Stun?

Why shouldn't RDM get thrown a bone on powerful light-Melee gear that MNK/THF/NIN/BLU/DNC and the like has the most access to every once in a while? I mean, would it kill your game to put RDM on something like Loki's Kaftan? Oh, and what's wrong with making their enfeebles not resist on high-tier NMs, huh? And what is the point of making RDM specialists at single-target and self-target enhancing magic? It would be a great deal if some of their enhancing magic, such as the Gain line of spells, had the ability to be casted on other people without having the WHM do it for them. It's detrimental alone not to be able to. Square-Enix knows we are right with this, but why have they not followed up with this criticism as solutions to the job's problems?

Why can't COR get a phantom roll with HASTE on it (Blitzer's is detrimental to 2-Hander TP Gain)? Where is that third roll they said was going to be in-game?

What chance is there for a PLD to hold hate anymore without having to rely on an Almace or Ochain for the casual player? Hardcore players have their own solution with that sword and shield combo. But what about the player who leveled Paladin as a side-job?

Is it really so much to change Camlann's Torment from VIT to either STR or DEX? DRG cant take advantage of such an out-of-place modifier as far as I know (Torcleaver is the only exception since DRK and PLD can turn it into a solid Weapon Skill with the right builds and attack boosts), DRG has been aching for a decent weapon skill for a while now, outside of having to hunt for a Ryunohige. The fact that Stardiver got a nerf at all is insult to injury. Why couldnt you just improve DRG as a Polearm specialist and not just leaving it as a cerulean sausage on a skewer being nibbled on by a flying lizard? (Dragonlord, don't slap me! lol)

What they've done with the level 99 Weapon Skills is a crime, and they know this. But the biggest crime of all was not doing anything about extra VoidWatch treasure that people cannot give away for reasons that they don't want it or they already have it. Square-Enix knows this takes only one simple fix, but they take a completely different roundabout way of doing it instead of enlightening us on why SE INSISTS on doing the things they do?

Square-Enix, we're not going to hoard loot this way! What a crock of shit to say that all this gear is going to go to one person only within a specific group of players! It goes to show how far disconnected we are between the Devs and the playerbase. What could go wrong if you had put in the solution we gave to you? Don't say people will get bored and quit, there is a LOT more to do in this game than that.

A lot of these questions and issues could still use some motherfuckin' answers.

[Hextitan]

This'll probably fail due to the fact that the disgruntled are a vocal minority and the loss of their dues is not likely to make a significant impact on the company's bottom line.

There is no advantage to SE listening either, because if they do, there will simply be more demands and more whining. It's like the advance fee fraud, where paying the fees doesn't result in you getting your money, it only results in the scammers asking for more.

I don't necessarily agree with all of the complaints being voiced here.

Having said that, if you think the people complaining are in the minority, you're highly delusional. I can't escape people talking about how bad this game is getting, or how the Devs aren't listening. Anywhere. This board, BG, Alla, FFXIAH, in-game....even on Japanese boards. The feeling that SE is dropping the ball is fairly unanimous.

[Hextitan]

That's it in a nutshell. Reminds me of something a Theology teacher once told me. "Just because God doesn't answer your prayers doesn't mean He isn't listening. It means he listened and the answer was no."

Like with prayer, where people expect God to be their personal genie, people expect that their every whim be fulfilled because it is asked for on the forum.

If SE wasn't listening to the playerbase, Abyssea wouldn't exist; 20,000 XP per hour would still be considered phenomenal; Fafnir, Behemoth, and Adamantoise would still be 24-hour pops; Field Manuals and Grounds Tomes would not automatically repeat and would only be useable once per day. That's just to name a few. SE is wise enough to realize that you can't please everyone, but they do the bst they can.

They recently said they consider Abyssea a mistake. And they replaced 24 hours pops with Voidwatch, an event you can do anytime, but the drop rates are so bad you spend the same amount of time you did all those years on the ground kings.

[Preed]

I think "Operation: Leave a Flaming Bag of Cat Poop on SE's Doorway" might be a better start. Far more concrete goal.

I second this motion. :D

[xbobx]

where's the elitism there?

sorry, I guess you are just an idiot then.

[Brolic]

sorry, I guess you are just an idiot then.

an idiot that gets things done

[Finuve]

an idiot that gets things done
I think that was the slogan of my high school's sped class

[Brolic]

I think that was the slogan of my high school's sped class

sped like getting a redemption

[Alerith]

I think we just need to ask Square-Enix one thing as far as giving out feedback goes:

What ever happened with that phrase that is held dear in Japan: "the customer is always right?" Why do you not apply this to suggestions we give out based on test server findings?

Because, let's be honest here, many of those customers are complete idiots. Sure, there are some genuinely good suggestions that get thrown out, but among a raging sea of horrible, stupid or self-centered ideas.

[geekgirl101]

As we all know SE has been failing to listen to us about all our concerns on so many fronts, and thus the game has become absolute trash. I suggest that everyone put a stop to payments on their accounts for 1 month, the month of January, as a whole they might get the idea if they find themselves short of alot of money. If someone can translate and post this on all the other language forums to help spread the word, we need SE to suffer for 1 month like we have for years.

I'm sorry, what are we wanting SE to listen to?

[Potyhoty]

Having said that, if you think the people complaining are in the minority, you're highly delusional. I can't escape people talking about how bad this game is getting, or how the Devs aren't listening. Anywhere. This board, BG, Alla, FFXIAH, in-game....even on Japanese boards. The feeling that SE is dropping the ball is fairly unanimous.

The key here is the phrase "vocal minority". Yeah, most of the people talking are complaining, because most of the people that don't feel the need to complain... are not talking. That's what Zarchery was getting at.

By the way, I am one of them, and this is my first post outside of the open beta forums, and will probably be my last for a while. I don't even try to argue with people who complain in-game anymore, because it's not worth it. I can't say that I applaud every decision SE is making, and I agree that complaining serves a useful function, but this "OMG THEY ARE NOT LISTENING" attitude frankly baffles me. Of course they're listening, but "listening" isn't the same as "acting on what you hear". You have to remember that the people that complain this strongly form a relatively small fraction of the playerbase, and some people will never be satisfied.

[Koroma]

Fights are short, ultimate weapons are attainable, downtime is almost nonexistent. idk what is there to hate
I have alot of complaints almost all of them are bst related though, some of which i been asking se to fix, like 15? months.

also stingray104 even if they do answer the answer will be no so i dont see the point.

[StingRay104]

The point is that SE has come out and promised us certain things, for instance upgrades to ws's, and they have yet to implement any of it. On top of which they hand us these new ws's which in most cases aren't worth the merits you have to spend on them, seriously these new ws's should be much stronger than our previous ws's excluding the relic/empyrean ws's. Also what happened to the overall balance that they promised, for instance they claimed war was to powerful so they intended to slightly decrease its power and bring every other dd up to that level, where the hell is that. When they do finally give us something its unbelievably limited in its use like Scarlet Diarhea. Not to mention our trial upgrades are beyond unreasonable and VW is just a ridiculous trolling joke, and you wonder why we should take action against SE? Also this is only a very small amount of problems with the game that SE has forced on us.

[Malamasala]

I can pretty much assume how it looks on their end though.

They set up this road map saying "Date X, this should be implemented", and then they are roughly done and set it up on test server and people complain. So they evaluate "Can I solve this in one day? Is it not working?" and unless the answer is yes, they'll ignore it for lack of time.

It is typical for businesses. You fix what you have time for, and everything else is left as it is as long as it doesn't create extreme unbalance.

Personally I'd rather they screwed the road map and just worked on requested features. I don't particularly care for getting a useless Cait Sith faster, instead of getting my new Fenrir ward functional.