Petition for new Forum Button: Dislike

[Amador]

This forum is due for Dislike Button that rates a persons post down on a separate side that shows how many people DISLIKED, as well as how many people LIKED the post.

I feel that "Messengers"/Forum Admins simply skim over subjects.

If the idea and work ethic is to "Pick and Choose" a certain post, find a thought in it. Write it down, then eye ball a % saying, "30% of people seemed to have disliked that idea" If that is all that is submitted to the Dev Team.

Then perhaps a "Dislike" feature would better "ease" the job strain on forum admins. If they could just actually tally up the # of Dislikes vs Likes.

It's getting really sad when you log onto here, after you actually spend some time trying things and testing things on test sever only to find that your opinions, thoughts and concerns don't really go as far as to bend, touch, stress, or even concern the Dev Team.

This is not just a personal idea, this is a collective idea from multiple people. It's not just the NA side, the JP side has a long list of complaints regarding the lack of attention, and care that the forum admins, and devs give towards our Feed Back.

Like this Post if you agree that we should have a "Dislike" Button for clairty.

[Svens]

Can we dislike dev posts?

[Amador]

Can we dislike dev posts?

No sir, currently they have a very friendly button called "Like", you can remove that and select "Unlike" but it doesn't give a red (-1) or something when done.

However, that's also one of the reasons I would like for us to have a "Dislike" Button. So that we can see how many people truly disagree with the direction the Devs want to push Vana'diel.

[Kalilla]

Believe me, a dislike button will only be abused and used to harass members.

Don't even think people will know better, that will never be the case on any forum.

[Alhanelem]

I want to dislike the OP's post... I guess that's kind of ironic...

[Vold]

Can't say I'm a fan of this idea or not but I'll just say this forum is a public relations forum first and foremost. As such it's pretty far behind the standard that we have come to expect from internet boards. I guess it's to be expected when a board is controlled by "big business" so to speak. Their interests are PR, not the people's experience with their site. Though granted, they have thrown us some bones but I wouldn't hold my breathe for a dislike button.

[oliveira]

All I can say is that I dislike the OP's idea. There's no button to press for that right now, though... /sarcasm



Why ? Because people will ABUSE it.

[lowkey]

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/)

There ya go. Knock yourself out.

[Alhanelem]

Biggest problem is people start liking/disliking based on the poster and not the content, and groups of people conspiring to rate down someone they don't like regardless of the thought or idea in the post. Although some people like eachother's posts because they're friends, the worst that can happen is that the likes have no benefit. With dislikes, however, there is more potential for abuse and damage to be done.

The devs specifically added the "like" button so that people who don't have much to say other than "good idea" or "i like this idea" can do so without actually posting. People who dislike a post can instead simply not click the like button, and express their disdain with a textual post.

[Amador]

Everything above illustrates peoples concern over abuse or not.

Who is to say there isn't already abuse with the like feature with people who have more than one account and or a group of people who just like their own posts to get a point across? Saying that a Dislike feature would be a means to abuse doesn't really constitute a reason for there to not be one.

It's the same difference, at least at this point we'd be able to specifically see who likes what and who doesn't, furthermore bringing to light real statistics when it comes down to important subjects which would take away from pages of rants asking why, when the reply is: The JP community liked it better.

There are always trolls, in example who provide nothing of evidentual value, or contribution to threads who begin with, yet they still spew forth their venom and cause derails and all sorts of other nonsense.

The official forum was intended to have us voice our opinion, and to a degree I guess the devs got lazy or the people whose job it was to scout community forums to get the latest topics on Final Fantasy 11.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Extra greifing. No thanks.

[RAIST]

eh.. this has come up several times already. Was thinking there was an actual reply from the mods on the topic at one point, but couldn't get my hands on it with a quick searrch.....probly buried back in April or May. I did get a hit on the thread where they were adding it though:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3928-Rate-up-down?p=55230&viewfull=1#post55230

[svengalis]

Alot of people don't like the idea, not sure I do either even though I see what you are saying TC. I don't post on ZAM anymore because people rate down your opinion. This is a free country I don't like being censored on the internet if I am not really harming anyone in a hurtful way so that is why I stay away from ZAM.

[Cljader1]

I dont like the idea

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You can just concidder a lack of likes as a dislike.

[Tamoa]

Believe me, a dislike button will only be abused and used to harass members.

Don't even think people will know better, that will never be the case on any forum.

This.


Biggest problem is people start liking/disliking based on the poster and not the content, and groups of people conspiring to rate down someone they don't like regardless of the thought or idea in the post. Although some people like eachother's posts because they're friends, the worst that can happen is that the likes have no benefit. With dislikes, however, there is more potential for abuse and damage to be done.

The devs specifically added the "like" button so that people who don't have much to say other than "good idea" or "i like this idea" can do so without actually posting. People who dislike a post can instead simply not click the like button, and express their disdain with a textual post.

And this.

[Shadowsong]

Yes, but the "Like" button is friendly and happy and doesn't hurt people's fragile little egos.
Add a dislike button, and this will become Allakhazam in literally a week.

We SHOULD be able to voice our displeasure of a topic within the thread itself. However, 90% of the posters on this forum believe that to be "Trolling" and every topic immediately devolves into KillingIfrit

[hiko]

Believe me, a dislike button will only be abused and used to harass members.

Don't even think people will know better, that will never be the case on any forum.


Can we dislike dev posts?
this! don't make a dislike button for random post but make it possible to dislike dev post so dev understand they are doing it wrong. (understand that we wont dislike the little moogle posting but the content they are asked to post)

now if 5 people hit "like" on a dev nerf post (because it nerf a job they don't play) but everyother poster dislike it dev team think their idea is good

[Atomic_Skull]

Believe me, a dislike button will only be abused and used to harass members.

Don't even think people will know better, that will never be the case on any forum.


I approve of this idea.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Dislike buttons don't work, it's the reason most forums/sites etcetera are removing them.

[hideka]

Can we dislike dev posts?

if we could dislike i think the last weaponskill post would have had 10000+ dislikes.

[Scribble]

There already is a dislike button, but it's labeled 'reply'. Click it, type a brief message stating why you dislike something and post it. This isn't the facebooks.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

There already is a dislike button, but it's labeled 'reply'. Click it, type a brief message stating why you dislike something and post it. This isn't the facebooks.

I don't know, for Dev posts it'd prove the point more.

[Scribble]

I don't know, for Dev posts it'd prove the point more.
A number next to an icon of a 'thumbs down' hardly proves a point.

If you dislike something then people only know that you don't approve with a thumbs down. It makes much more sense to actually articulate the point or idea you are trying to get across or to express a position you have with words rather than with a gesture.

If you give a dev a thumbs down when they introduce a new idea they're working on for XI then they really have no idea what you don't like about it or why.

[Hayward]

There already is a dislike button, but it's labeled 'reply'. Click it, type a brief message stating why you dislike something and post it. This isn't the facebooks.

See, what he's looking for is the thing gutless wonders from KI and BG would try to abuse regularly (don't bother lying, folks. You did it on Alla some years ago. What makes you think you won't do it again). Replying with anything substantial is either too difficult or beneath their so-called status.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

A number next to an icon of a 'thumbs down' hardly proves a point.

If you dislike something then people only know that you don't approve with a thumbs down. It makes much more sense to actually articulate the point or idea you are trying to get across or to express a position you have with words rather than with a gesture.

If you give a dev a thumbs down when they introduce a new idea they're working on for XI then they really have no idea what you don't like about it or why.

No, but you can do both, and it would look like the playerbase likes the idea.Personally a lot of people say what I want, so I just thumbs up them, do you think the Dev's take that into consideration? No, but at least a thumbs down might help a little.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm noticing a trend in this thread. Most of the people who are against the idea are the kind of people who probably would receive a lot of dislikes.

Perhaps they should hide the number of dislikes from the users, and just allow the devs to see them. That way there is no griefing.

Just stating your opinion doesn't hold a lot of weight IMO, because anything extremely important is going to have a huge thread about it, %99 of which will not be forwarded to the devs.

[SpankWustler]

I don't think it would accomplish anything.

Knowing that 75% of the people who read something dislike the idea won't change the Development Bros minds. They're not Lex Luthor, forging ahead with their singular and cruel vision of a better world for humanity, carefully monitoring statistics along the way. They're the Joker, totally and randomly nuts in ways we can not comprehend, holding sheets of statistics upside down for two seconds before eating them.

I can harass people more annoyingly by replying with images or one-liners than clicking a "dislike" button, so I doubt I'd use it for other players either.

[scaevola]

Believe me, a dislike button will only be abused and used to harass members.

Don't even think people will know better, that will never be the case on any forum.

Nonsense. Numerous substantive forums use up-and-down-rating, and they are productive aggregators of good information way more often than they're invitations to abuse. Zam and AH are two major examples that apply to FFXI specifically, and even WoW's playerbase, so often merrily described by FFXI players as a cesspool, makes totally productive use of one in the comment threads on wowhead.

[Kitkat]

While I like the idea of a dislike, I also see the potential of it being abused. I would rather see the ability for players to set up polls to more accurately track certain feature additions/changes. While the forums somehow give players a voice, it doesn't seem to accurately give them any weight in setting up general purpose topics that only want a poll type effect (Poll: Do you like the current direction FFXI is going? Yes/No)

[Kalilla]

Nonsense. Numerous substantive forums use up-and-down-rating, and they are productive aggregators of good information way more often than they're invitations to abuse. Zam and AH are two major examples that apply to FFXI specifically, and even WoW's playerbase, so often merrily described by FFXI players as a cesspool, makes totally productive use of one in the comment threads on wowhead.
Nope, AH got removed because people were abusing the system as well.

It will never work on any forum the way it was intended, people will always abuse, harass, and grief other members.

A dislike option for regular members is never a good idea in any situation.

[Dallas]

I got an official warning for posting that I "unliked" a post. Several people liked my post too. Surprising to see SE so complacent with this open hostility.

[Krashport]

This topic sounds like someone crying that the forums are to tough.. and "NEED" a dislike button.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1446260773261&id=375f47087b6c015f50cbdf1582626723

I Dislike this Idea. "See what I did there, It's easy"
There are better topics and Ideas on these Forums then this, Moving on!

[FrankReynolds]

I got an official warning for posting that I "unliked" a post. Several people liked my post too. Surprising to see SE so complacent with this open hostility.

I got temp banned for saying "I think your trying to make fun of me, but it's just coming off as silly."


If you look in the new ws thread right now, people are shouting obscenities, and posting unflattering pics of the director. There is no rhyme or reason to the moderation.

INB4: another 3 hour ban.


This topic sounds like someone crying that the forums are to tough.. and "NEED" a dislike button.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1446260773261&id=375f47087b6c015f50cbdf1582626723

I Dislike this Idea. "See what I did there, It's easy"
There are better topics and Ideas on these Forums then this, Moving on!


in one more page of posts, your dislike will be buried where the translators will never see it. Too bad you can't just dislike this thread right in the OP.

[Krashport]

I got temp banned for saying "I think your trying to make fun of me, but it's just coming off as silly."


If you look in the new ws thread right now, people are shouting obscenities, and posting unflattering pics of the director. There is no rhyme or reason to the moderation.

INB4: another 3 hour ban.




in one more page of posts, your dislike will be buried where the translators will never see it. Too bad you can't just dislike this thread right in the OP.

You just made my point, You seen the Dislike to comment on, so therefore you don't need this dislike Button.

[Dallas]

Frank, some day people may fear to utter your name as well. ;)

[scaevola]

Nope, AH got removed because people were abusing the system as well.


Rate-downs are still available on individual item entries, and they are quite useful for parsing information.

Anyway, if you're that concerned about it, a 10-a-month limit on dislikes is still better than not having them at all.

[FrankReynolds]

You just made my point, You seen the Dislike to comment on, so therefore you don't need this dislike Button.

You seem to have missed my point. If there was a dislike button, you could hit it and be done. Since there is not, you are posting your thoughts about it on page 4. The forum translators are going to skim over this, and likely not read your post. If I stop talking to you, your opinion on the matter will probably go completely unnoticed because most people usually read the first couple of posts in a thread, and then skip to the end. Also, I am not the one you need to see your post. Me knowing what you like or dislike has no effect on what gets added to the website and / or game.

[Krashport]

You seem to have missed my point. If there was a dislike button, you could hit it and be done.
To many would use and abuse it, Also that would be lazy. Just think we wouldn't be having this conversation now.


Since there is not, you are posting your thoughts about it on page 4. The forum translators are going to skim over this, and likely not read your post.

Where is your proof?



If I stop talking to you, your opinion on the matter will probably go completely unnoticed because most people usually read the first couple of posts in a thread, and then skip to the end. Also, I am not the one you need to see your post. Me knowing what you like or dislike has no effect on what gets added to the website and / or game.

I would differ, You wouldn't be talking to me now if it didn't have an effect on you.

[Unleashhell]

no point of even having the Like button either tbh.

[Krashport]

no point of even having the Like button either tbh.

Pretty much! ^^b Like

[Amador]

It's funny to see people still using the same idea: Abuse. People already abuse the like feature! Look at the trend in this post! People are liking, the people who are against the original idea of having a dislike! The people who are for it are getting a like.

The point is, I highly doubt most MOD sit there and read through 10 pages of utter nonsense from the same 5 trolls who try to post and say that the idea of the OP is no good, for x invalid reason. There are some of those people in this thread already. They just enjoy watching their post count go up.

If you for some reason fear the ZAM and or other forums who rate down players or not, then fine so be it. The reality is: Even if you're disliked, if you have a valid opinion, a topic and a coherent thought people will like it. If you just sit there uttering non-sense the idea is that people will dislike you.

Abuse aside, please. Just drop it. What are your other thoughts on the issue?

There are hundreds of posts here a day, what if the majority of topics are simply skimmed by devs to find "Like" or not. Perfect example is the WS thread. How many posts are made, that have solid positive feed back and are left in the dust with not so much as a post from Camante saying: No, because of x and y.

People have been asking for polls for a while now, this would be an easy way to see it. No one is asking for them to set: Sub-Default for players who get rated down 1000 times. Simply a Side By Side view of Like and Dislike, logical posts still appeal and provide strong backing to subjects and posts. There's no reason why someone who wants something to happen to simply click "Like or Dislike" look at how that's going already, people still click like then post their opinion to support it.

So try to look at it that way, it's not so we can ruin people's forum reputation on here. It's so that individual threads made can be rated and viewed appropriately in the sense of: 34 likes vs 80 dislikes.

I have an account on ZAM, I'm rated Default. Do I cry or care about it? No. Does it stop me from posting when I have something to post? No. So unfortunately I can't say I care much about a rating system that's with you like a STD for life, but I am interested in being able to see how many people actually DISLIKED the WS Thread, how many people DISLIKED the choice of 99 vs 100, how many people actually like the idea of expanded and useable inventory space, how many people LIKE and DISLIKE the cheese sandwich idea. There's a hundred threads that could use this, and it might even make our ideas speak out louder than 500 posts and expecting a MOD to read them all.

[Tamoa]

Rate-downs are still available on individual item entries, and they are quite useful for parsing information.


Like how people can rate down other people's screenshots and comments? Just like my profile page comments are all rated down, just because some people either don't like me, or don't like the person that's posted the comment. Not because the comments are bad/negative/rude/nasty/offensive in any way. I'm certain at least half of all rate downs on pics and comments across FFXIAH is based on the person posting. How is that useful in any way?

[Krashport]

Adding a dislike would help, Only if it makes the dislike(er) Post a reason why. Could even make the like(er) post a reason why also.

[Amador]

Adding a dislike would help, Only if it makes the dislike(er) Post a reason why. Could even make the like(er) post a reason why also.

Now that's constructive.

[FrankReynolds]

To many would use and abuse it, Also that would be lazy. Just think we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

Actually reading 700 posts on why something is a bad idea is a waste of time. Noticing that it has 7,000 dislikes, and deciding to read the cliff notes instead is just common sense.


[QUOTE=Krashport;243467]
Where is your proof?


Proof of "likely"?

well you see the average percentage of posts that a mod reads is adversely affected by the number of cheese sticks in a string cheese carton, and the gravitational pull of the coffee...

And that's about as much proof as you have that I'm wrong, so I guess its a wash.



I would differ, You wouldn't be talking to me now if it didn't have an effect on you.

I never said that. I said: "Me knowing what you like or dislike has no effect on what gets added to the website and / or game.".

Meaning that seeing as I am not a Dev, or forum mod, Making me see your opinion has 0 relevance.


Like how people can rate down other people's screenshots and comments? Just like my profile page comments are all rated down, just because some people either don't like me, or don't like the person that's posted the comment. Not because the comments are bad/negative/rude/nasty/offensive in any way. I'm certain at least half of all rate downs on pics and comments across FFXIAH is based on the person posting. How is that useful in any way?

It's relevant in that people not liking you probably tells a lot about the value of your opinions. The devs don't need to take advice from people who piss everyone off. They do a great job of pissing everyone off on their own.

[Tamoa]

It's relevant in that people not liking you probably tells a lot about the value of your opinions. The devs don't need to take advice from people who piss everyone off. They do a great job of pissing everyone off on their own.

I'm sorry, am I getting this right? - the fact that some people dislike me because I'm in a linkshell they don't like/friends with someone they don't like/they heard from a friend's friend that I'm a bad person/they're envious/they still hold grudges from the hnm days back at 75 cap, and rate down every damn comment on my profile page, has anything to do with the value of my opinions? Because believe me, there is a LOT of rating down on FFXIAH, on everything possible but especially on profile comments, that is 100% personal and nothing else. That's what happens to me and many other "high-profile" players (as in very often on the most viewed list).

I don't come here, or on any other FFXI forum, and spew a bunch of bs, calling people names and purposely insult them. I have always tried to be civil in forum posts (although I willingly admit I have nearly lost my temper a couple of times on this forum but I still do try to keep it as civil as possible). I hardly "piss everyone off", on any FFXI forum I regularly use.

A lack of likes can tell you just as much about a specific post on this forum, as a bunch of dislikes.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm sorry, am I getting this right? - the fact that some people dislike me because I'm in a linkshell they don't like/friends with someone they don't like/they heard from a friend's friend that I'm a bad person/they're envious/they still hold grudges from the hnm days back at 75 cap, and rate down every damn comment on my profile page, has anything to do with the value of my opinions? Because believe me, there is a LOT of rating down on FFXIAH, on everything possible but especially on profile comments, that is 100% personal and nothing else. That's what happens to me and many other "high-profile" players (as in very often on the most viewed list).

I don't come here, or on any other FFXI forum, and spew a bunch of bs, calling people names and purposely insult them. I have always tried to be civil in forum posts (although I willingly admit I have nearly lost my temper a couple of times on this forum but I still do try to keep it as civil as possible). I hardly "piss everyone off", on any FFXI forum I regularly use.

A lack of likes can tell you just as much about a specific post on this forum, as a bunch of dislikes.

Yes. I know there are cases of people who just plain don't like a person (the like button is just as susceptible to this), but for the most part posts are getting likes on here due to relevance and quality. If a post / thread doesn't have a large number of likes/dislikes, they are not likely going to judge it based on the like/dislike count. If it does have a large number of likes / dislikes, it is highly unlikely that that person just has a million haters. I mean how many people do you really think are following your every post? If you have pissed off that many people, what does that say about what you are posting? Probably that it is generally not what other people want / like, and thus shouldn't be taken into account.

Please don't take this as a personal attack on you. I'm simply trying to point out that while there are going to be people that press like on all their friends posts, and would "dislike" all the people with opposing views, the bulk will use it as intended. This isn't alla where you can just make 1,000 accounts and stalk your enemies.

[Krashport]

I'm starting to think, Frank you have more then 1 Square Enix accounts and have ya LS buddies and their other Square Enix accounts liking your post. "Not saying that is a bad thing" I'm ok with the Like and dislike for only the main OP it might help the Dev's out a bit, But using the dislike, Said person should have to post a reason as to why cause anyone could just check a button it also might shed light onto a problem to said change to something. Also those with more then one Square Enix accounts do benefit more with the like/dislike buttons. Me personally I look at the read more then the Like button myself its just there.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm starting to think, Frank you have more then 1 Square Enix accounts and have ya LS buddies and their other Square Enix accounts liking your post. "Not saying that is a bad thing" I'm ok with the Like and dislike for only the main OP it might help the Dev's out a bit, But using the dislike, Said person should have to post a reason as to why cause anyone could just check a button it also might shed light onto a problem to said change to something. Also those with more then one Square Enix accounts do benefit more with the like/dislike buttons. Me personally I look at the read more then the Like button myself its just there.

I agree with making people post a reason. even if its just a short one. Keep in mind though, that the kind of people logging into multiple accounts and spamming dislike, are not going to be adding anything useful to the conversation anyways. They have no logical argument other than not liking the person, and being able to "dislike" something may save us all from a one line post written just to taunt the person or derail the thread.

That said, I don't think it should show how many people "dislike" something, so their efforts would never be recognized. Which I imagine would be the whole point of trolling someone.... to publicly ridicule them.

I do have multiple accounts BTW, but can't be bothered to log in and out of them. My web browser keeps me logged into this one. I would have to keep that stupid key fob with me every time I wanted to swap accounts.

[Divinechild]

This forum is due for Dislike Button that rates a persons post down on a separate side that shows how many people DISLIKED, as well as how many people LIKED the post.

I feel that "Messengers"/Forum Admins simply skim over subjects.

If the idea and work ethic is to "Pick and Choose" a certain post, find a thought in it. Write it down, then eye ball a % saying, "30% of people seemed to have disliked that idea" If that is all that is submitted to the Dev Team.

Then perhaps a "Dislike" feature would better "ease" the job strain on forum admins. If they could just actually tally up the # of Dislikes vs Likes.

It's getting really sad when you log onto here, after you actually spend some time trying things and testing things on test sever only to find that your opinions, thoughts and concerns don't really go as far as to bend, touch, stress, or even concern the Dev Team.

This is not just a personal idea, this is a collective idea from multiple people. It's not just the NA side, the JP side has a long list of complaints regarding the lack of attention, and care that the forum admins, and devs give towards our Feed Back.

Like this Post if you agree that we should have a "Dislike" Button for clairty.

I suggested this along time ago and got no where. I'm all for this.

[Babygyrl]

ive wanted a dislike button on here and facebook for like ever but i think people feel lt'd be too "Dramatic" lol. It is sad that people cant handle a little criticism.

[Karbuncle]

Dislikes really aren't that important, unless you have no spine?

If someone posts something stupid, be a man and Call them out for being stupid, Don't hide behind a - Symbol. Works wonders, Say it to their face :D

Plus, Dislikes can and will be abused in every instance of their existence... Human nature to be petty, wanting to feel important, etc.

While all intents will surely be masked in some noble cause to "help new people distinguish good posts from bad", Its a load. FFXIAH-pre-removal and Alla as it exists now are both proof -/+ are nothing but popularity contests, and rarely judge a person based on the content of their post.

[FrankReynolds]

Dislikes really aren't that important, unless you have no spine?

If someone posts something stupid, be a man and Call them out for being stupid, Don't hide behind a - Symbol. Works wonders, Say it to their face :D

Plus, Dislikes can and will be abused in every instance of their existence... Human nature to be petty, wanting to feel important, etc.

While all intents will surely be masked in some noble cause to "help new people distinguish good posts from bad", Its a load. FFXIAH-pre-removal and Alla as it exists now are both proof -/+ are nothing but popularity contests, and rarely judge a person based on the content of their post.

Except sometimes being a man means arguing for pages with the jack ass posters like the one in my sig. Its sad that less knowledgeable players have to read an entire thread of nonsense to figure out that the guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. And the whole concept of being a man on an internet forum about video game wizards and crap is pretty far fetched. WHat happens on alla and FFXI-AH is irrelevant. This forum here is monitored by SE, with the intent of getting feed back from players, and like/dislike button is a lot easier to translate than 77 pages of arguing.

This game is like 10 years old, which means that everyone on this forum is old enough to move up from the T-Ball little leagues where both teams win every game. You can't "be a man" and also be all hyper sensitive about the number next to the thumb. The two things are mutually exclusive.

[RAIST]

The problem with the whole like/dislike system is you have absolutely no way of knowing just what was liked/disliked---was it the poster, was it the idea, was it the presentation....people are free to click away with no responsibility for detailing what they like/dislike.

Because it allows an anonymous response that is devoid of any accountability, these systems typically fall short of their real intentions. It would probably have been better for SE to have never even added the like system....still haven't made up my mind whether I like it or not. Seemed like a good idea at first, but sometimes I wonder....

[Rezeak]

I vote for a dislike for the dev posts only.

Not for members tho

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I vote for a dislike for the dev posts only.

Not for members thoNow that I can aprove of.

[FrankReynolds]

The problem with the whole like/dislike system is you have absolutely no way of knowing just what was liked/disliked---was it the poster, was it the idea, was it the presentation....people are free to click away with no responsibility for detailing what they like/dislike.

Because it allows an anonymous response that is devoid of any accountability, these systems typically fall short of their real intentions. It would probably have been better for SE to have never even added the like system....still haven't made up my mind whether I like it or not. Seemed like a good idea at first, but sometimes I wonder....

Even if you take away the like button, this would still happen. There is no way for a mod to know (without caring enough to follow up on a persons history) whether a person is arguing a point because it is a valid point, or because they just dislike the OP and / or one of the other posters.

It's quite obvious if you read these forums a lot, that many people don't just use them for game feedback, but instead use them as outlets for things like: creative writing, venting anger, increasing their post count, practicing their debate skills... the list goes on. The dislike button is simply an easy indicator for a team that most likely doesn't take any of what we say seriously, if they read it at all.

[browolf]

Dislike buttons promote unbridled negativity which is why facebook sensibly refuses to have one. if you want to vote on dev features, it would make more sense to request voting options or even the ability to 'have a say' on whether features get implemented. I doubt you'd get that either though as SE have mostly always marched to the beat of their own drum.

[Ezikiel]

is it ironcal that i hit the "Like" button on this?

[Karbuncle]

Except sometimes being a man means arguing for pages with the jack ass posters like the one in my sig.

Adding a dislike button won't stop that.

It never will. Again, FFXIAH-Pre Removal, and Alla as it stands, Both solid proof of that.

Ratings will always remain a popularity contest, they serve no purpose... I was even against the "+" System.

[CrAZYVIC]

No.

In this forum 7 - 10 people camp ALL NEW TOPICS

When a New player come here with a Idea even if is a Silly idea. If that idea Dont like the 10 campers, they will PERMA RATED DOWN every new Topic that player do.

Or when a new player come with a silly question, will be called troll and perma rated down, if a person do a mistake in analisis this guys will try Humillate and make feel bad that person in agresive way.

A system like that only will promote the Elitism and will give control to the "Forums Campers"

I fear more the "Agresive Elitist Posters" Than the silly trolls lol.

Even the troll more terrible cant compare an angry elitist poster.

The Elitist poster usually show you in a terrible, hostil and agresive way "You are a stupid" he dont stop until let you totally owned and humillated.

This forum in my opinion is a Light forum and is friendly to the FFXI comunity.

[FrankReynolds]

Adding a dislike button won't stop that.

It never will. Again, FFXIAH-Pre Removal, and Alla as it stands, Both solid proof of that.

Ratings will always remain a popularity contest, they serve no purpose... I was even against the "+" System.

Adding that button would immediately tell the devs that everyone disagreed with what that guy said, and save them from reading 30 pages of people explaining exactly why it was stupid.

Look at this thread. 1400 views. 64 posts. I would bet my favorite body part that a large number of those people have an opinion about this topic, but are not willing to get into a huge debate to express that opinion. Right now, the thread has 40ish likes, and ............0 dislikes.

Ratings are and should be a popularity contest on a feed back forum. The object is not to find the post that has the coolest wording, or the best lay out, or even the best idea. The object is to find out what your customers want.

Alla is a fan board. People do not log in using their registered account, and can spam, curse, troll, and rate down with impunity. This board is run by SE, and they are far stricter about that sort of behavior.

You could easily follow me around every thread, and follow my every post with one liners about how dumb my ideas are, or how weak my character is, or how crappy my ls is, or just how lame the color of the text I use is. You could derail my every thread, by using crap arguments that have been argued in any one of the other forums.

I really don't see how a little thumbs down arrow should worry me, or anyone else for that matter, and I definitely don't think that not having it is stopping people who want to be dicks from doing it.