Dark Knight - Why do we have Tactical Parry?

[Urteil]

Seriously, why do we have this worthless trait that makes zero sense?

Doe the Dev team plan to boost our parrying skill to A+?

Can we please get a response, because this is one of the most baffling things in FFXI to date.

Many of us believe it to be a sick joke.




Why didn't you give us Magic Attack Bonus I instead of a job trait that is 100% worthless?

Can we have Magic Attack Bonus since you want us to cast magic so much?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

DNC Has tier IV with only B ranking Parrying. SE are just handing out traits to the wrong jobs.

[Rohelius]

Okay so parry has been around for as long as the game and it always did nothing but block an attack.
Now it gives 2 TP or more depending on STP gear while still blocking.

Are complaining that it doesn't give 100Tp?
I dont understand what the problem is.

[Taint2]

I parried once on DRK.

[Chriscoffey]

I parried once on DRK.
I have yet to parry myself , however, on drg.. izz da bomb for parrying which for some reason SE didn't give them TP.

[Hextitan]

Okay so parry has been around for as long as the game and it always did nothing but block an attack.
Now it gives 2 TP or more depending on STP gear while still blocking.

Are complaining that it doesn't give 100Tp?
I dont understand what the problem is.

While what you're saying is technically accurate it's still completely nonsensical to give to DRK when #1 the job needs so much more, and #2 DRK isn't particularly well known for our parrying.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Same reason Rdm has Shield Mastery

SE is just trolling both.

[Saiken253]

I actually get a lot off use out of my parrying haha~ I frequently tank on drk and somehow i parry quite often. 2-3 times/mob that's attacking me

[Rohelius]

I actually get a lot off use out of my parrying haha~ I frequently tank on drk and somehow i parry quite often. 2-3 times/mob that's attacking me

I break Latent Effect trial weapons on Light elementals in sky and that sounds about right, i get good use of it specially since i'm casting a lot, maybe you other guys need some skill ups....



While what you're saying is technically accurate it's still completely nonsensical to give to DRK when #1 the job needs so much more, and #2 DRK isn't particularly well known for our parrying.

Whats nonsensical is complaining about a little extra bonus they added to DRK that only helps with TP gain.
You cant cast and swing but you can sure as hell cast and parry so whats the big deal...

[Neisan_Quetz]

Pretty sure the issue is Drk parries at the same rate as Bard, Mnks not using H2h, and (again) Rdm.

Even Puppetmaster has a higher Parrying skill for only SE knows what...

[Saiken253]

yes, I do think that DRK should have at least a B- in parrying =\ we ARE a Knight, so we should have the basic grasps of swordplay and whatnot(and no, i'm not referring to sword skill :p). with what has already been posted to improve DRK and the newly risen LolEntropy, DRK also needs some utility imo.

[Urteil]

Okay so parry has been around for as long as the game and it always did nothing but block an attack.
Now it gives 2 TP or more depending on STP gear while still blocking.

Are complaining that it doesn't give 100Tp?
I dont understand what the problem is.

If DRK parried 20% as much paladin does then it would not be a problem, its a rather insulting increase.

Any of the following would have been better/acceptable:

Attack Bonus Tier +
Stalwart soul Tier +
Occult Acumen Tier +
Dark Magic fast cast +1%
Dark Magic fast cast +2%
Dark Magic fast cast +3%
Anything.
Dark Magic fast cast +4%
Dark Magic fast cast +5%
Dark Magic fast cast +6,7,8,9,10,#%
Critical Damage Tier +

Max MP boost #
Max HP boost #

Shock
Burn
Drown
Rasp
Anything.
Choke
Etc.

Magical Attack Bonus Tier I.
Anything.



Anything that doesn't cater to a Rank E skill, on a job that needs anything but this.

[Taint2]

Random extra parrys for 2tp is worthless. With proper gear you already have a staged xhit, the 2tp does not change a thing.

[Rohelius]

Are you guys on the mind set that everything that should be added to DRK should be only to help in endgame content?

We are past the meripo WS spam pt's so that DPS argument i dont understand what with the amount of time you spend on the side lines while waiting to proc in abyssea and the retardedly easy things outside abyssea have become with the lvl caps increase.

So just because it doesn't lets get rid of it.. Lets get rid of all the jobs we don't need anymore while were at it.
I understand that there was no reason to give it to DRK when it had low skill
but please understand that it might not be designed to be used against endgame foes since Parry is also affected by the foes level and we should not be tanking those to begin with...

[Raucent]

while that is true Rohelius, the problem with the trait is this: why did they even bother giving it to us our Parry is E rating we could have used almost any other trait and put it to better use. The trait itself lends strength to the argument that SE has no clue what they are doing when it comes to modifying DRK. hell with the amount of gear they give us with MAB why not just give us T1 MaB or something along those lines, hell we have higher elemental skill than RDMs lol

[Urteil]

The trait is proof that when it comes to DRK SE is retarded.


Hence my issue with it.

[Taint2]

Are you guys on the mind set that everything that should be added to DRK should be only to help in endgame content?

We are past the meripo WS spam pt's so that DPS argument i dont understand what with the amount of time you spend on the side lines while waiting to proc in abyssea and the retardedly easy things outside abyssea have become with the lvl caps increase.

So just because it doesn't lets get rid of it.. Lets get rid of all the jobs we don't need anymore while were at it.
I understand that there was no reason to give it to DRK when it had low skill
but please understand that it might not be designed to be used against endgame foes since Parry is also affected by the foes level and we should not be tanking those to begin with...


Abyssea is dead content and was never meant for a DRK.

I main tank on DRK a lot in VW and don't think I have ever parried an attack. The other side of the game is fodder lvl mobs where that 2tp gain is even more uselss. It was a big slap in the face from SE.

Edit: what do you mean we shouldn't be tanking them? DRK was the premier HNM tank at 75 and still does quite well on endgame highlvl content. (when played correctly) If you are just standing around wait to proc, you should consider a job change.

[Rampage]

How do you maintank on DRK? -phyDMG -magDMG sets? I tried using -phyDMG set and /mnk on drk a while back. Was not recieved well by my LS. And i gimped my dmg too much.

[Saiken253]

/sam or /nin works well for drk tanking. for /sam, just make sure to take off Seigan before casting Dread Spikes. Also having an apoc works wonders haha

[Brolic]

How do you maintank on DRK? -phyDMG -magDMG sets? I tried using -phyDMG set and /mnk on drk a while back. Was not recieved well by my LS. And i gimped my dmg too much.
now? i cant imagine drks can, we dont have the damage output to do so. but at 75, with an apoc.

[Saiken253]

I tank for my Ukko Wars on my Tor DRK =\ MP SPONGE FTW! x.x

[Taint2]

now? i cant imagine drks can, we dont have the damage output to do so. but at 75, with an apoc.


I hold hate just fine on top tier VW mobs. Proper gear sets are a must. For the more annoying ones Kaggen,Uptala,Pil you are going to want to buff your max HP a good chunk. For the easier mobs like Qilin and Akvan just ride 3rd eye and meds.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The trait is proof that when it comes to DRK SE is retarded.


Hence my issue with it.

I don't think it's just DRK that proves it.

[Ophannus]

For the same reason DRK has Critical Attack Bonus yet has no Critical Hit Weapon Skills and the same reason DRG has Critical Defense Bonus but doesn't tank.

[Raucent]

as a clarification for why most DRKs view Tactical Parry as a sick joke:

Tactical Parry I
Obtained: Dancer Level 77
Obtained: Ninja Level 77
Obtained: Dark Knight Level 88


Job ↓ Skill Ranking ↓ Cap at Level 1 ↓ Cap at Level 47 ↓ Cap at Level 95 ↓
Ninja A- 6 144 389
Dancer B 5 138 370
Dark Knight E 4 119 280


-_- yeah i guess parrying is our strong suit >.>

[Dart]

I hold hate just fine on top tier VW mobs. Proper gear sets are a must. For the more annoying ones Kaggen,Uptala,Pil you are going to want to buff your max HP a good chunk. For the easier mobs like Qilin and Akvan just ride 3rd eye and meds.

to add onto this, people just don't realize how boss last resort is now. Everyone knows about the update but they don't realize just how much total damage it adds. Especially for those of us who were already pushing the job to its limits. The only job that I can't hold hate off of is a equally geared/skilled ukon war in VW. Even then we bounce it back and forth.

Equally yes mdt(this especially for top tier VW mobs who LOVE to spam 1k+ dmg spells mostly ga), pdt, right seigan + eye and abuse your med and lvl 10 atmacites.

[Zemarin]

sorry but on my drk esp while soloing i parry alot.. maybe it ddont matter if your tanking a NM, but if your solo it kinda helps. I dont see why you need A+ skill in parrying to parry.... cuz um Ranger has 0 parry skills and i still parry IT mobs - NMS on RNG quite often as well more than on Dark Knight and Blu which Actually has the skill. AGI matters much more.

[Neisan_Quetz]

... You know there's a base floor for parrying of 5%, right...?

[Dart]

this is the second thread that you use drk soloing as a basis for one of your points.

seriously can you just leave the drk forums?

please!?!?! SE might read what you say and take you seriously.

[Urteil]

sorry but on my drk esp while soloing i parry alot.. maybe it ddont matter if your tanking a NM, but if your solo it kinda helps. I dont see why you need A+ skill in parrying to parry.... cuz um Ranger has 0 parry skills and i still parry IT mobs - NMS on RNG quite often as well more than on Dark Knight and Blu which Actually has the skill. AGI matters much more.

I solo what I can on DRK, and even in PvP, let explain one thing:

PARRYING DOESN'T HELP FOR SHIT.

Anywhere for anything worth mention.

Go away.