Cheese Sandwich Petition

[Prothscar]

Since my last thread was deleted because they think I'm joking: I would ask the moderation to kindly reconsider your stance on this subject. My cheese sandwich petition is as serious as any other placed on this board, and an deleting mine is unfair to cheese sandwich lovers everywhere. Cheese sandwiches need to be buffed. They are a staple, an icon, and deserve better than this. So this, the second enactment of the Cheese Sandwich Petition, aims to achieve the following:

-Rebalancing of cheese sandwiches

Cheese sandwich is a real in-game item. This request is completely valid. Cheese sandwiches are among my favorite delicacies in real life, I only wish to enjoy the same pleasures in FFXI.



A classic sandwich and favorite among
the masses. A simple, profound, and
timeless cheese sandwich.

Food Effects: (30 minutes, All Races)

HP +10
Agility +1


http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Sandwich


That is all. Thank you for your time and your signatures.

[Alhanelem]

This is not going to end well.

[FrankReynolds]

CHeese Sandwich FTW!

[wolfshadow]

When you get perma'd for posting the exact same thing as soon as you get unbanned, don't get grumpy :(

[Prothscar]

Cheese Sandwich is a real item btw if that was being disputed, there's no grounds to suggest that my original thread was disruptive to society as we know it. If justice means my permanent removal from these forums then so be it. Sandwiches are real.

[wolfshadow]

What were you really hoping to accomplish from this thread proth? You were banned once already for the same topic, just take the hint and move on.

[FrankReynolds]

Random tabloid stuff

lol who gave this post a +1?

[Asymptotic]

I agree that the Cheese Sandwich/+1 should be top tier foods.

[Draylo]

lol, I prefer pizza myself.

[Prothscar]

lol, I prefer pizza myself.

That's fine, but pizza is already a pretty good food. Cheese sandwiches, however...

[Anoobulchandra]

It's a crying shame that the epicurean delicacy "Cheese Sandwich" is not updated! I do believe that it requires more attention than any of those silly rdm melee lolmages. HP+10 Agi+2? Those stats need to be updated! It has actual use too! Make it +30% crit dmg and +25% attack and give it +40 agi and then watch all the ninjas use it like no tomorrow! I know I would!

[Byrth]

Obviously this food needs TH+2 on it. It would make it an attractive option for thieves, whose only job is to put high levels of Treasure Hunter on things.

[Anoobulchandra]

Who are we to slap the gods in the face to not make this truly divine! I mean really it's not fit for the epic description it holds.

[Prothscar]

Who are we to slap the gods in the face to not make this truly divine! I mean really it's not fit for the epic description it holds.


Well said, my man.

Cheese sandwich +1
No doubt some divine power has had a
hand in the forming of this flawless
cheese sandwich. Words do it no
justice.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Sandwich_%2B1

[Zetanio]

While I simply can't agree with lettuce being put on such a delightful sandwich... I must agree that the stats for such a monumental culinary delight should be brought in to line with the most potent food available ingame.

[Anoobulchandra]

I don't see why SE can't change the cheese sandwich. They give the melee rdms their temper. They should give the gods the sandwich they made appropriate stats

[Neisan_Quetz]

Cheese Sandwiches have been underwhelming for 3 years now, along with other jobs. I say we usher in a new age, starting with Cheese Sandwiches. /Approved.

[scaevola]

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

[Xellith]

I demand a Bacon Sandwich.

[SpankWustler]

If nothing else, I suggest a +2 version of the Cheese Sandwich be made possible with enhanced statistics.

It could be the "Dinosaur-shaped Cheese Sandwich".
http://www.seriouseats.com/assets_c/2011/05/20110502-brunch-box-grilled-cheese-thumb-560x373-157485.jpg

[Phafi]

May as well make a 12hour top tier attack food, like EpicMealTime's Turbaconepicentipede. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAjhG09X9YA)

[cidbahamut]

Considering how it requires so many ingredients, I would expect the pay-off of constructing and consuming a delicious cheese sandwich to be more profound.

[Raksha]

We are the 99% who want to have our Cheese Sandwiches and eat them too.

[Gaspee]

I demand a Bacon Sandwich.

How about a Bacon Mage?
http://i43.tinypic.com/u0z8h.jpg
Emdub for LGM! :D

[RAIST]

always wondered why they put those veggies on there and then nuke it with a fire crystal.....if you're going to grill it like that, NO VEGGIES!!!. Using an earth or wind crystal and making a cold sandwich, that would be a different story.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

If nothing else, I suggest a +2 version of the Cheese Sandwich be made possible with enhanced statistics.

It could be the "Dinosaur-shaped Cheese Sandwich".
http://www.seriouseats.com/assets_c/2011/05/20110502-brunch-box-grilled-cheese-thumb-560x373-157485.jpgThough they get bonuses for using a cookie cutter to entertain, they should be banned from the kitchen for not only doing a horrible wonder bread grilling job, but for using a nondairy food product instead of cheese.

[Haldarn]

As long as the crafting requirements are upped in line with proposed effects. Cooking 7? Afraid we'll have to make it a level 79 Synergy recipe requiring Cooking (Veteran), Smithing (Apprentice) and Alchemy (Novice)

[Meyi]

I had a cheese sandwich for dinner. It was delicious.

Our characters should get to enjoy the sweet satisfaction of its cheesy goodness dancing across their tastebuds as they too, chomp into their very own cheese sandwiches. Their eyes should roll in the back of their head as sweet bliss swipes them off their feet.

[hiko]

want double-cheese sandwich, camembert sandwich and blue-cheese sandwich (yep i'm french)

[tyrantsyn]

Perhaps we need a 3 cheese sandwich. You know, to really boost those stats.

[wish12oz]

CHEEZ SANMICH NEEDZ 2 B TEH AWESOMZ AND +50 ALL TEH STATS LIKE THE HP AND THE STRNTH SO I CAN BE LIKE POW AND KILL TEH STUZ DEATH YA KNOW????

[Tile]

why not just ask for a way to power up all the old sandwiches with some type of Panini Press item or Key item and a fire crystal. that way they can keep the old and have away to make slightly better ones for higher lvls

[RAIST]

why not just ask for a way to power up all the old sandwiches with some type of Panini Press item or Key item and a fire crystal. that way they can keep the old and have away to make slightly better ones for higher lvls

Now, there's an interesting idea. And while we're at it..... lets get some Spaghetti Tacos!

[Prothscar]

We seem to have garnered a fair amount of support, can we get a Community Rep's input on this issue and possibly assurance of its escalation to the Devs? Thanks.

[Greatguardian]

52 likes on the OP is a small amount of support?

[Prothscar]

Shameless bump. Our voices must be heard!

[FrankReynolds]

They need to make the cheese Sandwich the most epic food evar, and put this pizza nonsense to rest. I envision having an NPC that will stack Cheese Sandwiches for you using the frilly toothpick KI.

[Amador]

... seriously? This is why we can't have nice things. They can barely respond fast enough to a good group of actual USEFUL suggestions. This is what you want to waste the dev teams time on? May as well ask for Special Dog Pets and what not to be implemented into the game and whatever other worthless time wasting equivalent non sense can be spewed forth.

[Prothscar]

Sir your dislike of cheese sandwiches is none of my concern, we have overwhelming support for the rebalancing of cheese sandwiches, I'm sorry that whatever you want did not get the same.

Get out of my thread.

[Kaizersan]

I support this effort they should also make a grilled cheese one too.

[Koroma]

should change the pic too dosent even look grilled.

[SpankWustler]

... seriously? This is why we can't have nice things. They can barely respond fast enough to a good group of actual USEFUL suggestions. This is what you want to waste the dev teams time on? May as well ask for Special Dog Pets and what not to be implemented into the game and whatever other worthless time wasting equivalent non sense can be spewed forth.

Ask a severely mentally ill man for five dollars. He will respond that aliens talk to him through his fillings and tell him to do things that he doesn't want to do but he does them sometimes because the aliens never stop telling him to do things.

Ask a severely mentally ill man not to cross the street under a "DO NOT WALK" sign during rush hour, entirely out of concern for his safety. He will respond that aliens talk to him through his fillings and tell him to do things that he doesn't want to do but he does them sometimes because the aliens never stop telling him to do things.

Sincerely asking for the Development Bros to do sensible things is very commendable, but it's probably better for a bro's blood pressure to just assume that sensible things only happen by chance.

Anyway, given the number of vegetables and stuff on the normal Cheese Sandwich, I think an upgraded one wouldn't be a grilled cheese exactly. It would be like this, except more cheese-forward:
http://photograzing.seriouseats.com/assets_c/2009/09/grilled-vegetable-and-goat-cheese-sandwich_1ed9a0cadb83bf344942ddfde5785b58-thumb-245x245-8207.jpg

Kind of like the really fancy kind of cheese sandwiches a roommate of mine made. He never grilled or cooked them at all, other than maybe toasting the bread. Half the stuff on them was smoked and just smelling them gave me a migraine.

[Sparthos]

Gonna lul when this makes a patch and SE declares the addition of something players asked for is proof positive that they're listening.

[Theytak]

While, as a cook, I am of the opinion that any recipe involving grauberg lettuce needs to be an incredibly awesome food item (not because like lettuce, but rather because of the incredible annoyance it is to get the lettuce), rather than boosting that stats on the already existing cheese sandwich, as it is an odd creation, I would suggest this:

give us more than two types of cheese. Specifically, give us more cheese that isn't rock cheese, because "rock cheese" sounds so horribly unappetizing and does the wondrous dairy product very little justice. Giving us access to cheddar, Gouda, provolone, mozzarella, Colby, etc, etc, etc, would open such a wide range of creative and useful foods for us...

[SpankWustler]

give us more than two types of cheese. Specifically, give us more cheese that isn't rock cheese, because "rock cheese" sounds so horribly unappetizing and does the wondrous dairy product very little justice. Giving us access to cheddar, Gouda, provolone, mozzarella, Colby, etc, etc, etc, would open such a wide range of creative and useful foods for us...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080614211919/ffxi/images/b/b5/Rodent_cheese.JPG

[Meyi]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080614211919/ffxi/images/b/b5/Rodent_cheese.JPG

This kind of cheese sandwich would make our farts pop Notorious Monsters.

[Sparthos]

Be careful what you wish for lest we be tasked to gather Tiamat's tetemilk in order to create cheese for a sandwich with 10dex, 10att and -10sec on Mighty Strikes while engaging in areas with fire weather.

[SpankWustler]

Tiamat's tetemilk

It could be part of a new Zeni-like system. Instead of taking photos of various and sundry creatures, we would have to take a milking machine out and about to visit any notorious monsters we could find.

[Arcon]

... seriously? This is why we can't have nice things. They can barely respond fast enough to a good group of actual USEFUL suggestions. This is what you want to waste the dev teams time on? May as well ask for Special Dog Pets and what not to be implemented into the game and whatever other worthless time wasting equivalent non sense can be spewed forth.

I would level BST solely for a pet dog at 99.

[Zirael]

Obviously this food needs TH+2 on it. It would make it an attractive option for thieves, whose only job is to put high levels of Treasure Hunter on things.
^ This!
If Dinosaur Shaped Cheese Sandwitch gave Treasure Hunter +2 (and to spice things up, a 20% chance to drain enemy buff upon unsuccessful /thf Steal) maybe THF would finally get those long-asked-for useful job adjustments...
/dream

[Zirael]

... seriously? This is why we can't have nice things. They can barely respond fast enough to a good group of actual USEFUL suggestions. This is what you want to waste the dev teams time on? May as well ask for Special Dog Pets and what not to be implemented into the game and whatever other worthless time wasting equivalent non sense can be spewed forth.
Amador, Dev team has just wasted god knows how much of their time making 10 out of those 14 meritable weaponskills. Asking them to buff up our beloved Cheese Sandwich has as much ground as asking them to unsuck Requiescat, Resolution, Realmrazer etc.
We could actually ask for this food to have a hidden effect of "Unsucks Merit Weaponskills".
Prothscar (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/members/16168-Prothscar) is petitioning to change this game for the better and I approve of that. Today we might fight for mere Cheese Sandwich's long-awaited adjustments, tomorrow the "PS2 Limitations" or even "Balance" might be gone. Who knows, this might be a first small step forward...
Also, please see my earlier post:


Obviously this food needs TH+2 on it. It would make it an attractive option for thieves, whose only job is to put high levels of Treasure Hunter on things.^ This!
If Dinosaur Shaped Cheese Sandwitch gave Treasure Hunter +2 (and to spice things up, a 20% chance to drain enemy buff upon unsuccessful /thf Steal) maybe THF would finally get those long-asked-for useful job adjustments...
/dream
There is so much Cheese Sandwich could do for the better.

[SilverObi]

After reading through all these stellar posts, I too must throw in my support for a new tier (or maybe several) of cheese sandwich! I was -there- in 2007 when that one brave player suggested to the devs that adventurers everywhere be able to enjoy the classic treat, so I'd be remiss if I didn't chime in.

Make this happen devs, there hasn't been this much support for an idea in months!

[Mirage]

I am also in favor of increasing the stat boosts granted by cheese sandwich, even if the recipie for it changes into something that's harder to craft. Alternatively, there could be implemented a "Super Cheese Sandwich" which grants superior stats, instead of changing the original dish.

[Glamdring]

As a Wisconsinite I must chime in to DEMAND the Uberfication of the cheese sandwich. Make it happen before the morbidly obese, brat and saurkraut filled, cheese-plugged lynch mob finds the Developer's offices!

[Koroma]

While, as a cook, I am of the opinion that any recipe involving grauberg lettuce needs to be an incredibly awesome food item (not because like lettuce, but rather because of the incredible annoyance it is to get the lettuce), rather than boosting that stats on the already existing cheese sandwich, as it is an odd creation, I would suggest this:

give us more than two types of cheese. Specifically, give us more cheese that isn't rock cheese, because "rock cheese" sounds so horribly unappetizing and does the wondrous dairy product very little justice. Giving us access to cheddar, Gouda, provolone, mozzarella, Colby, etc, etc, etc, would open such a wide range of creative and useful foods for us...

Rock cheese is probably meant to be a hard cheese like parmesan or romano. Then again i'd never use that in a cheese sandwhich or drink parmesan with Cherry juice(yagudo drink) the japanese have weird food.

[Limecat]

Maybe the new variety of cheese sandwich could swap out some of it's ingredients for higher-end mats used in the elshenas and pitarus, and give a boost to all skillups along with something sort of off the wall, like +~5% haste that only counts towards your gear cap.

[Amador]

:| I hope you're all lactose intolerant irl.

[Limecat]

:| I hope you're all lactose intolerant irl.

Wouldn't matter, the finest grilled cheese sandwiches are made with velveeta. No lactose in vegetable oil or altered milk solids!

[Buffy]

I can only support the buffing of cheese sandwiches if Bacon is involved somehow.

[Mirage]

:| I hope you're all lactose intolerant irl.

Many (most, really) cheeses actually only have very slight trace amounts of lactose. This is because the fermentation process of cheese uses the lactose carbohydrate as fuel, and most cheeses are left with 0% carbohydrates in them.

One disorder that is sometimes confused with lactose intolerance, however, is milk allergy. This doesn't have anything to do with lactose, but is an allergy to the proteins found in milk, and by extention, milk-based products.

[Zirael]

:| I hope you're all lactose intolerant irl.
To the contrary! I often have a cup of Chocomilk
(http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3475)

To stay on the topic, I've always thought this food to be too underwhelming:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Choco-delight
Sooo much wasted potential...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Many (most, really) cheeses actually only have very slight trace amounts of lactose. This is because the fermentation process of cheese uses the lactose carbohydrate as fuel, and most cheeses are left with 0% carbohydrates in them.

One disorder that is sometimes confused with lactose intolerance, however, is milk allergy. This doesn't have anything to do with lactose, but is an allergy to the proteins found in milk, and by extention, milk-based products.And any cheese over 2 years old no longer has lactose in it, it will have transformed into another compound. Lactate I think.

[Theytak]

Tiamat's tetemilk

It could be part of a new Zeni-like system. Instead of taking photos of various and sundry creatures, we would have to take a milking machine out and about to visit any notorious monsters we could find.

I... but... Tiamat's not a... *twitch*


I can only support the buffing of cheese sandwiches if Bacon is involved somehow.

And now I find myself craving a Steakburger (http://www.steaknshake.com/menu/the-original-steakburger/western-bbq-double-steakburger) (No onions) with Fries and hot cheddar cheese sauce from Steak 'n Shake. I don't care how horrible it is for me, it's absolutely to delicious for me to care.

*drool*

[Mirage]

And any cheese over 2 years old no longer has lactose in it, it will have transformed into another compound. Lactate I think.
Are you thinking of lactase? In that case, it's not correct I think. Lactase is the enzyme used by humans to break down the lactose we consume, not what lactose turns into. Lactose intolerant people don't have, or don't produce enough lactase. It can however be countered by taking lactase pills along with the meal.

[Peachies]

Can you really be banned for voting on cheese sandwiches? Then I want the Chocolate Cake as my Prison food. I vote for the Cheese Sandwich upgraded.

[Randnum]

While I am aware that many may be thinking we are not taking this seriously, I would like to not only take it seriously and offer my support, but also ask that this movement use the Cheese Sandwich as a flagship for other changes to foods. While I understand that not all foods are created equal, I must ask that there be some reconsideration of certain food effects based on the required ingredients.

I am sure that the developers have, in fact, put consideration into this, as most food does follow the 'expected rules' for stats given by ingredient. Even our Salmon Sub sandwich gives multiple stats on consumption. I ask merely for a reconsideration of our beloved food. It is close, as both bread and cheese give HP, and were the sandwich no more than bread and cheese, I suppose it would be correct (though we would still ask that it be elevated to greater heights).

There are not many of these and I (we?) know they are not of great importance to busy developers, but if you like, I am sure that a few dedicated culinarians could gather up a list.

My contribution. The Windurst Taco. Originally a simple taco version of the Windurst Salad, it served well for many jobs at low levels, granting MP in goodly amounts, and was relatively cheap. Now it requires Salsa, Wild Onions, and Hare meat, yet has no change in stats.

Please, SE, know that we are serious. This is Chalaimbille, after all, not some 'random hard cheese'. A high grade cheese made from some of the best milk. Even if one chooses to keep things in the realm of 'balance relative to cooking skill', we can at least get maybe an HP+8% out of it. There'd be times for using that, even if not many.

This petition has mah full support.

[idx1]

I'd like to see this topic as a "Hot Topic" for a year+ without any developer input/implementation.

[Zumi]

Devs have better problems to fix then something insignificant like this. Its aggravated that they would take such a dumb idea and put it in the game in the first place, when stuff like class balance is all screwed up at the moment.

[tyrantsyn]

The player base is always talking about ways to improve job classes and content. What wrong with improving some of the food option as well?

[FrankReynolds]

The player base is always talking about ways to improve job classes and content. What wrong with improving some of the food option as well?

I agree. Sushi had it's day in the sun. Now it's time for the cheese sandwich to shine. Food balance FTW.

[Prothscar]

Devs have better problems to fix then something insignificant like this. Its aggravated that they would take such a dumb idea and put it in the game in the first place, when stuff like class balance is all screwed up at the moment.

Oh look another one of you people. Go away.



Our support has grown to a rather staggering amount. Can we get some input on this from a Rep Moogle? O:

[Buffy]

Any chance the community reps meet with the Devs and the Devs ask what's being discussed on the forums?

"Well, there is this really persistent Cheese sandwich thread that won't go away...."

[Tagrineth]

I'd rather have a Cheese Sandvich.

[SpankWustler]

Any chance the community reps meet with the Devs and the Devs ask what's being discussed on the forums?

"Well, there is this really persistent Cheese sandwich thread that won't go away...."

The Development Team will respond by making all of Vana'Diel violently lactose intolerant, and thus we'll suffer a 50 HP a tick poison effect after eating a Cheese Sandwich. Any attempt to eat a Cheese Sandwich +1 will result in instant death upon the first bite.

Cheese Sandwiches(+1) will also replace all logs and ores in both Voidwatch and Walk of Echoes.

[Insaniac]

Thank you for all your feedback. I have spoken with the Dev team and they have decided to cave to your demands. We will be increasing the duration of the cheese sandwich to 3 hours. However in the interest of balance we will be lowering the stats to +5hp -2 Agi and -10 Str.

[Zumi]

Oh look another one of you people. Go away.



Our support has grown to a rather staggering amount. Can we get some input on this from a Rep Moogle? O:

No they have more important matters to fix like not making 100 merit WS worse then pre 75 WS for whatever reason.

[Nefertiri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_zy1BpfP0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL5D00B58278E5C890

I'll just leave this here~

[tyrantsyn]

Cheese Sandwiches(+1) will also replace all logs and ores in both Voidwatch and Walk of Echoes.

Wouldn't that just be the day.

[Prothscar]

No they have more important matters to fix like not making 100 merit WS worse then pre 75 WS for whatever reason.

Yes because they've been doing such a good job of that so far. If anything, fixing cheese sandwiches will stop them form nerfing the weaponskills further. Get out of my thread.

[FrankReynolds]

The Development Team will respond by making all of Vana'Diel violently lactose intolerant, and thus we'll suffer a 50 HP a tick poison effect after eating a Cheese Sandwich. Any attempt to eat a Cheese Sandwich +1 will result in instant death upon the first bite.

Cheese Sandwiches(+1) will also replace all logs and ores in both Voidwatch and Walk of Echoes.


They will of course sight "Balance" as the reason for doing this.

[Bookong]

yes please to the re-vamp of the cheese sandwich! james vanderbeek said it best in ke$ah's video for blown "meunster is like edible lactose gold". if only the masterful cheese sandwich would be given it's due place...^^

[Sekundes]

We won't fail you cheese sandwich! Just hold on a little longer!

[Dawnn]

Cheese sandwich is perfectly "balanced" and therefore will not be updated

[Prothscar]

Ah but that is where you're wrong. Grauberg Lettuce is not a readily available ingredient, odds are you'll need to go out and kill saplings in Grauberg in order to make one succulent morsel. The high grade cheese required to make this delectation is also rather annoying to process, as it requires a decently high cooking skill to create as well as somewhat difficult to find ingredients. For the effort required to obtain these ingredients, it would be fitting to have more than just HP+10 and AGI+2.