View Full Version : [Suggestion] Ability to change race.
Disguise
12-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Hello guys, Disguise here and I wanted to share a suggestion that I always talk about to LS friends about, it's the ability to change your characters race.
Now, before people start complaining, this can easily be implemented into the game without the whole idea being abused by people constantly changing there race. How you say? Simple, introducing the same system we have for the 'World transfer service'.
I personally, have become fed up with seeing my hume every day when I log on, I've been this hume race for over 2years now and I'm sure people can agree it gets old, very quick. Allowing users to change there race, either it be every 3 months or X months, would give players the chance to feel 'New' again, if you wish to put it in that context.
For a payment of around £5-10 I'd pay to have my character's race changed from a Hume to a Elvaan in a split second without hesitation, I believe if this was introduced, would you not only make people who have been playing 2+ years happy to be able to experience a different race, you'll have a good form of in-come to help with either server costs or introducing new features into the game.
Brolic
12-07-2011, 12:01 AM
for the 90th time cant be done\wont be done. you might get a sex\face change
Disguise
12-07-2011, 12:48 AM
for the 90th time cant be done\wont be done. you might get a sex\face change
May I ask why it couldn't be done? Honestly, I don't see why they wouldn't attempt to add this into the game, people have played for 6 years and are probably fed up with looking at the same character every day and want to be something different for once.
The whole 'Make a new character, level to 30 and leech to 99' junk is pure stupid when you have a main character that's done pretty much everything, has R/EX gear that's not transferable between characters.
Having a sex/face change is pointless, when do you honestly look at your face while in game?
Brolic
12-07-2011, 12:57 AM
they've made a point of saying it wont ever happen.
it wont ever happen
Disguise
12-07-2011, 07:27 AM
they've made a point of saying it wont ever happen.
it wont ever happen
I don't see why they wouldn't allow this to happen, I don't see the big deal with people allowed to change there race every few months.
Kriegsgott
12-07-2011, 07:39 AM
Hello guys, Disguise here and I wanted to share a suggestion that I always talk about to LS friends about, it's the ability to change your characters race.
Now, before people start complaining, this can easily be implemented into the game without the whole idea being abused by people constantly changing there race. How you say? Simple, introducing the same system we have for the 'World transfer service'.
I personally, have become fed up with seeing my hume every day when I log on, I've been this hume race for over 2years now and I'm sure people can agree it gets old, very quick. Allowing users to change there race, either it be every 3 months or X months, would give players the chance to feel 'New' again, if you wish to put it in that context.
For a payment of around £5-10 I'd pay to have my character's race changed from a Hume to a Elvaan in a split second without hesitation, I believe if this was introduced, would you not only make people who have been playing 2+ years happy to be able to experience a different race, you'll have a good form of in-come to help with either server costs or introducing new features into the game.
2 questions!
PC user?
and do you only want to look different and dont care about the stat bonus ?!
Disguise
12-07-2011, 09:06 AM
2 questions!
PC user?
and do you only want to look different and dont care about the stat bonus ?!
Yes, I play on the PC and the Xbox. I know there are ways of changing you're characters race using third-party programs, however I want to be a actual Elvaan, gain the stat bonus they have ect.
Pewpew
12-07-2011, 11:02 AM
I agree, this could easily be implemented on the title screen same way it prompts you to change your name when you server change. There is no reason they couldn't implement this, nor shouldn't.
Ninian
12-07-2011, 02:21 PM
they've made a point of saying it wont ever happen.
it wont ever happen
Once upon a time they said server transfers couldn't/wouldn't happen.
Anyway, I think this is a great idea. Face change would be nice too, but I'd prefer that be an in-game thing, not a pay for it thing.
kussese
12-07-2011, 02:23 PM
I'd like a race change feature too, and I'd be willing to pay for it.
Kristal
12-07-2011, 07:54 PM
I agree, this could easily be implemented on the title screen same way it prompts you to change your name when you server change. There is no reason they couldn't implement this, nor shouldn't.
It's anything but easy... it would mess up active quests and currently equiped gear, and adds nothing to the game.
It takes money and time to create something like this, and unless they ask something like $500 for a change, it wouldn't even break even in any reasonable time period.
If people were really desperate, they would simply create a mule of their liking, or even a second account and dual box it.
Not like it's hard to level a character to working order nowadays...
Kimikryo
12-07-2011, 10:55 PM
oh look the WoW players want having something WoW has. I took my mithra because I wanted to have a cute catlady. I didnt think "Oh I want to play Mage, now I want my mithra transform into a Taru" or "I want to be a Monk, I want to transform Intho a Dhalmel" or "Oh I want to be standard in everything, lets be a hume"
Disguise
12-08-2011, 02:25 AM
oh look the WoW players want having something WoW has. I took my mithra because I wanted to have a cute catlady. I didnt think "Oh I want to play Mage, now I want my mithra transform into a Taru" or "I want to be a Monk, I want to transform Intho a Dhalmel" or "Oh I want to be standard in everything, lets be a hume"
Nice comparison since I've never played WoW.
If they allowed users to change there race every day or week then yes, that would be absolutely stupid, which is why I stated it should be like a world transfer.
It's anything but easy... it would mess up active quests and currently equiped gear, and adds nothing to the game.
It takes money and time to create something like this, and unless they ask something like $500 for a change, it wouldn't even break even in any reasonable time period.
If people were really desperate, they would simply create a mule of their liking, or even a second account and dual box it.
Not like it's hard to level a character to working order nowadays...
You obviously haven't read anything I've said, I don't see how it would mess up any gear a part from starter and level 30 RSE gear, however if you know you are going to change your race, you'd be smart enough to either NPC or sell the gear.
It takes time and money to create anything in this world, the outcome of this would be a larger profit to them as there are plenty of players who will want to change there race due to playing the game for years on end, another fact I stated was that people who have achieved all the good gear in this game don't want to start over again just for a race change, when if SE introduced this to the game, I'm sure there will be thousands of people who will pay for this.
Seiowan
12-08-2011, 03:05 PM
You obviously haven't read anything I've said, I don't see how it would mess up any gear a part from starter and level 30 RSE gear, however if you know you are going to change your race, you'd be smart enough to either NPC or sell the gear.
It's really quite elementary. If you're a tarutaru paladin, you're gearing more for HP. If you're a Galka Paladin, you're gearing more for damage. Race quite drastically affects stats in this game, giving Galka's a whopping 400 hp more than a tarutaru in the case of Paladin. With race having such an affect, this too has a domino effect on all the gear you're likely to equip over your gameplay, not to mention which stat merits you'll be buying.
Tarutaru have little need for MP merits, though some may choose to max it anyway, so they'll likely aim for HP merits. They might merit Strength to make up for their lower STR too. You see how it becomes central to decision making?
Changing race undermines the entire system. That's the major reason I can't support this idea, though it's been bounced around countless times. Anyone who's played the game from both sides of the spectrum can easily see the massive difference that race can make.
Alhanelem
12-10-2011, 08:21 AM
I don't see why they wouldn't allow this to happen, I don't see the big deal with people allowed to change there race every few months.
Make a new character if you want to play a different race. Next time, give more throught to the name and appearance of your character when you create a character in an MMO.
gain the stat bonus they have ect. The "stat bonuses" more like stat differences, are trivial. They've been further trivialized by events like Abyssea. They purposely made these differences small so that there wouldn't be any reason to feel a need to change later. Enable this and you'll have people tactically changing their race whenever they decide they need more of a stat. Even with a long cooldown, it would still be a problem. I'm against changing names and races. People should give more care and attention to these things when they create their character. So you created a Mithra named Peepeeman? Well, sucks to be you. Next time, don't be silly when you create your character.
Economizer
12-10-2011, 09:10 AM
The "stat bonuses" more like stat differences, are trivial.
Not entirely true, there is one nontrivial stat difference in this game, but just one. Hit Points.
While you can get methods to restore MP enough and decent convert HP->MP gear to make a lower MP pool not be as big a deal, the reverse isn't exactly true.
Tarutaru HP is the only stat that is different enough that it would actively affect performance. Short of SE giving Tarutaru an RSE equip in a dump slot that gave like +X% HP to make them match a Hume or Mithra at least, Tarutaru lag behind a bit in the damage taking department a bit more then the trivial stats have affect on. I somewhat doubt that a Tarutaru's higher INT is going to influence magic resists often enough to save the day when a lower HP pool doesn't.
For a game that has pretty decent racial balance in terms of gameplay power - where any player despite past character selection choices can pick up just about job and play well enough that there is little question about whether they should be playing the job, this is slightly disappointing. It isn't an urgent matter though (and certainly not a reason to say we should be able to change races, although there may be other reasons for that), just disappointing.
Alhanelem
12-10-2011, 11:46 AM
Not entirely true, there is one nontrivial stat difference in this game, but just one. Hit Points. I agree with this and most of what you said- I suppose I should have thrown that exception in there. Though in spite of this, most of the people I know want to switch TO tarutaru either because they're cute or because they want a little more INT on BLM, rather than away from them for their most visible weakness.
Zerich
12-11-2011, 12:40 AM
but would this make any sense within the game; changing the biology of your characters?
no
world transfer can be justified because nothing about the world is actually changing, just a different group of people that inhabit it. not once are your characters and npcs aware that there are other servers/worlds (non- [a] [s] or other) that have the same exact timelines and storylines as your own world. it just wouldn't make sense within the respects of the RPG within this MMORPG, for you to go all mutant and change your race.
much rather SE be spending their man-hours working towards more productive matters within the game.
Feliciaa
12-11-2011, 02:07 AM
I think they should add race/sex chance because it allows players to enjoy the game from the perspective and benefits of another race. It also adds a "new" feeling for the player without having to start a new character all over again and deal with every single mission,quest, and equipment upgrade they would have lost from creating a new character.
Players have even said they were willing to pay for the service. Honestly, RSE gear and quests are not even relevant with the way SE has been making anything worth using all races so I can't agree with that being a legit reason not to add such a wanted and common MMORPG feature.
I do agree that the design team has some serious issues to deal with like VW drops, New WSs usefulness, and crazy relic/emp/mythic trials. But there is already like 400+ post on each of those so I won't go into that mess. lol
Alhanelem
12-13-2011, 09:04 AM
I think they should add race/sex chance because it allows players to enjoy the game from the perspective and benefits of another race.The perspective of another race can be experienced by creating another character. The "benefits" of another race should not be allowed to be gained- people would change their race like they change their job, just for that tiny miniscule edge it would give them. I do not want to see people going "oh, I want to play BLM full time for a while, so I'll change to Tarutaru. Next month, I'll focus on Warrior and switch to Elvaan." Even though as described earlier, most racial characteristic differences are trivial at best.
It's a "common MMORPG feature" that shouldn't exist. making your physical characteristics and name unchangable is a deterrent to doing silly things with them and encourages you to make your choices carefully.
The only kind of physical feature change I would ever support is if new races/faces were added, allowing a ONE TIME recustomization so as not to punish everyone who made their characters before said new stuff came out.
FrankReynolds
12-13-2011, 09:47 AM
The perspective of another race can be experienced by creating another character. The "benefits" of another race should not be allowed to be gained- people would change their race like they change their job, just for that tiny miniscule edge it would give them. I do not want to see people going "oh, I want to play BLM full time for a while, so I'll change to Tarutaru. Next month, I'll focus on Warrior and switch to Elvaan." Even though as described earlier, most racial characteristic differences are trivial at best.
It's a "common MMORPG feature" that shouldn't exist. making your physical characteristics and name unchangable is a deterrent to doing silly things with them and encourages you to make your choices carefully.
I don't really see how changing from haste headgear to +15 strength instantly for a WS is just fine, but changing from hume to taru once a month for 40 mp, and 7 int or w/e is game breaking. I really don't get the whole "people need to put more care into creating a character in an MMORPG" thing either. Peoples tastes change. Leveling / missions / quests / gear / etc. takes way too long for the whole "make a new character" thing to hold weight. It's not like you can run around cursing and swearing, and ripping people off, and then change to a taru and get away with it all. I mean even if you could swap races like you swap gear, it still wouldn't allow you nearly the level of advantage that gear swaps offer.
All I'm hearing in here is either:
"I put up with a lot of crap because of my race, and I want other people to suffer just like me."
or
"I like my race, and so should you."
A preference for cat women, or midgets in a video game shouldn't be a serious decision that will affect your enjoyment for years.
Disguise
12-14-2011, 02:23 AM
The perspective of another race can be experienced by creating another character. The "benefits" of another race should not be allowed to be gained- people would change their race like they change their job, just for that tiny miniscule edge it would give them. I do not want to see people going "oh, I want to play BLM full time for a while, so I'll change to Tarutaru. Next month, I'll focus on Warrior and switch to Elvaan." Even though as described earlier, most racial characteristic differences are trivial at best.
It's a "common MMORPG feature" that shouldn't exist. making your physical characteristics and name unchangable is a deterrent to doing silly things with them and encourages you to make your choices carefully.
The only kind of physical feature change I would ever support is if new races/faces were added, allowing a ONE TIME recustomization so as not to punish everyone who made their characters before said new stuff came out.
You are getting the completely wrong idea of this whole suggestion.
Changing jobs and having the ability to change your race will be two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT concepts, since you would be able to change your job every 2 seconds whereas changing your race would be every X amount of months or even a One-Time offer.
Murzade
12-22-2011, 11:03 PM
I agree, this could easily be implemented on the title screen same way it prompts you to change your name when you server change. There is no reason they couldn't implement this, nor shouldn't.
Do you know what Role Play is? Give a decent and justified Role Play for changing race. This is a MMORPG game, the last 3 words meaning Role Play Game, there needs to be a story behind it, how did you suddenly manage to become a different race. SE probably could implement this easily, I won't deny that, but how could you fit it in with the RP without it becoming stupid..... I don't think so.
FrankReynolds
12-22-2011, 11:17 PM
Do you know what Role Play is? Give a decent and justified Role Play for changing race. This is a MMORPG game, the last 3 words meaning Role Play Game, there needs to be a story behind it, how did you suddenly manage to become a different race. SE probably could implement this easily, I won't deny that, but how could you fit it in with the RP without it becoming stupid..... I don't think so.
I'm roleplaying a taru.... now I'm roleplaying a galka...... see what I did there? The story doesn't have to change at all. In fact if that's really what you want, they could add a story line that explains the whole thing. That's how RPGs work. However, 99.9% of peoples play time is spent doing things like XP, HNM, VoidWatch, Dynamis, SEA, Abyssea NM farming etc. which are repeatable, and have very little story involved past the initial fight and or entrance. Being able to summon celestial Avatars one minute and then becoming a ninja and completely forgetting how you did it the next minute has far more problems with continuity than a simple story line that ends with "joey learned the ability to change his appearance!".
Zarchery
12-23-2011, 02:01 AM
I'd like it too. I picked a hume back when I started in 2004. It served me well, and earned me the nickname "Beard" in several circles of my friends. But I've long wanted to be a tarutaru, because tarutaru are so adorable.
But I think SE has explicitly said they can't do this. I think it had something to do with race specific equipment. Maybe they can't work out the mechanics so that, say, a guy wearing Wave Gages who tries to change from Hume to Taru can unequip them automatically before the transfer. Which seems silly. After all, levelling down unequips gear automatically, plus you could just have the race change function take place in-game, with an NPC forcing you to surrender and/or unequip all race specific gear before proceeding.
Zarchery
12-23-2011, 02:04 AM
The perspective of another race can be experienced by creating another character. The "benefits" of another race should not be allowed to be gained- people would change their race like they change their job, just for that tiny miniscule edge it would give them. I do not want to see people going "oh, I want to play BLM full time for a while, so I'll change to Tarutaru. Next month, I'll focus on Warrior and switch to Elvaan." Even though as described earlier, most racial characteristic differences are trivial at best.
I would think that a monetary fee in real world currency would easily discourage such capricious race changing.
FrankReynolds
12-23-2011, 02:13 AM
I would think that a monetary fee in real world currency would easily discourage such capricious race changing.
Or even if it just had a massive cool down, I haven't seen an argument yet that didn't boil down to someone wanting to impose their will on others by limiting their choices.
I support this. It's a game, let's be happy playing it.
Disguise
12-26-2011, 07:26 AM
Anymore feedback on this, I haven't forgot about it and would love to hear from people who are able to make this happen on there feedback.
Alhanelem
12-27-2011, 02:16 AM
You are getting the completely wrong idea of this whole suggestion.No, I'm not. I understand it completely. That doesn't remove the potential abuse from having it, no matter what the time restriction is. a one-time-only recustomizaiton due to new faces/hairs/races being added is the only time I would ever be comfortable with an allowed change.
Anymore feedback on this, I haven't forgot about it and would love to hear from people who are able to make this happen on there feedback. Just FYI, right now the community team is on vacation, and they are instructed to normally not reply to threads specifically asking for their attention.
Also, SE has responded to this topic in the past saying they have no plans to do it for various reasons, one of which was difficulty of implementation.
DrStrangelove
12-27-2011, 07:34 PM
I've read a lot of these threads and pretty much everyone ends up with the same things being said. It's unfortunate.
*******There are people in the player base that want to change their race. Not just their hair color and not the looks. The whole thing.********
Now the funniest part, the part that cracks me up the most, is that while this change would affect NO ONE but the people getting the change, there are lots of people who not only are against doing it themselves, but also against other people doing it.
Why the heck is that? I've yet to hear that answer.
1) The people who will get the change will pay for it themselves. Why does anyone else care?
2) If SE can do it, it will affect no one else. Why does anyone else care?
3) If people make the change, they will have the same stats as if they had made a different choice in the first place. Why does anyone else care?
4) If people making the change, lose RSE gear, or RSE quests, it will affect them. Why does anyone else care?
It's as if people said when they are at home, they'd like to have pancakes at night and burgers for breakfast. Why are there people who care? Why are there people who have an opinion at all when other people want to do something that has NO EFFECT on them?
Ok, to get to some simple points:
1) The first time this was aksed to SE it was in 2005 or 2006. Yup, 5-6 years ago. They did not say it could not be done. They said it would seem strange to do so they were against it. Then, in 2007 or 2008, they said it was because of RSE gear.
Let's see. There is no part, where they said it can't be done. But let's say that due to quests or RSE gear, that there is a problem. There are already NUMEROUS quests in the game that can be erased. SE has already set that up Promathia, TOAU, ROZ, and all the artifact gear. Also, people can drop or sell their RSE gear already. ALL of this can be done.
2) A second theory is that you just CAN'T change the character. Really. We have items in the game to change you to a bird, or a little girl, or a chocobo. We have mobs that turn us into frogs and bats. We can level sync our selves from 99 to level 5. We used to go into zones that dropped us to level 30, 40 , 50, etc. These changed our looks. These changed our stats. These changed our race. So, yes, it can be done. It not only can be done. It's being done everyday on every server.
3) Again here is a funny almost laughable argument: "it really doesn't matter because stats have very little bearing on the game play!" Ok, so WHAT? Are you someone's dad? If it doesn't matter to you and you don't want to do it, what does that have to do with anything under the sun as far as what other people want to do?
4) Here are the arguments people have against it:
a) It seems odd to change races.
b) You should have to start a new character, re-do all the quests and missions, collect all the r/ex gear.
c) It's against the ways RPGs work.
d) If they allow this, then people will change every week
e) in the REAL WORLD, people can't be human one day and a zebra the next
f) I don't want you to do that
So, you know what?
It seems odd to change jobs. How can you be a MNK one second and a BLM the next? That makes no sense. You want a new one? Start a new character!
It seems odd to change allegiances. How can you belong to one town, then change and belong to another, then change to a third, then go back again? That makes no sense. You want a new town? Start a new character!
You want to change servers? Too bad, RPGs don't work that way. You are in an MMO and you can't just up and leave.
You want to cap some new skills? Too bad. In the REAL WORLD, people are only good at one thing, maybe 2. If you want to be good at a bow and a dagger and a great axe? Well, start a new character.
Those of you that have a real problem with this, this really has nothing to do with you. I'm sure there will be more posts in this and other threads, but here is my suggestion: don't post.
Write your mayor about passing a law to stop people from putting jelly on their toast. Write the government about making laws to stop people from coloring their hair, from wearing contact lenses not glasses, from buying new clothes in the spring or from changing their hobbies.
Runespider
12-27-2011, 08:00 PM
Number of people that would pay for it probably wouldn't cover the cost of implenting it.
If you want to do this you can create a new char on the same account, level it to 30 speed level and do everything you want to do and transfer r/e equip over. It's a little more annoying but it's the same end result, just a little more work.
FrankReynolds
12-27-2011, 11:42 PM
Number of people that would pay for it probably wouldn't cover the cost of implenting it.
If you want to do this you can create a new char on the same account, level it to 30 speed level and do everything you want to do and transfer r/e equip over. It's a little more annoying but it's the same end result, just a little more work.
Lol yeah, just make a new character....
Seriously though, the code is already there, as stated above. They waste more time putting stupid moogles that give you funny hats, and pitchforks than it would take to do this. If anyone would do it at all, than it's worth the effort.
Inches
12-29-2011, 01:38 AM
Number of people that would pay for it probably wouldn't cover the cost of implenting it.
If you want to do this you can create a new char on the same account, level it to 30 speed level and do everything you want to do and transfer r/e equip over. It's a little more annoying but it's the same end result, just a little more work.
See, that's what I thought. And after *years* of being sick of my little tarutaru character (no, seriously, I needed to reflect *some* form of growing up throughout the years) i rerolled a while ago.
Sure, leveling is no problem at all and skilling up is a little bit more work, but ultimately doable.
But, I have found the hard way, that the insane amount of things that I have to get done again, is overbearing. Im sticking with it. But stuff like Dynamis wins (and gear that still is important and non-dboxable like assassin's armlets), CoP, Fame, ROTZ, ToAU, WotG, the endless *individual* quests i've done on my character, inventory space (some items are pretty hard to come by, even when you have the gil to buy them, simply not on the AH), all the scenarios, Campaign Medals, non d-boxable furniture in your mog house (my mog house is full of stuff), Kindred Seals, Beastmen Seals, Imperial Standing...
Norg Fame, Utsusemi: Ni, every Blm spell I already had, every whm spell, avatars... It is a lot.
The *real* killing blow, though, is most people cannot understand the fact that you feel so strongly about this that you would reroll. "Seriously man?" is what I get all the time. And so, unless you have your own personal crew that are willing to help out with the major stepping stones in the life of your character, some of which most people are pretty sick of doing, it really is *very* difficult to reach the same end result. Particularly when you've been playing for around seven years. Nevermind the fact that most of us *now* have real life responsibilities, as opposed to almost a decade ago.
Ah well. I know that the pleas of people that request this pretty much fall on deaf ears, (and I honestly do not understand how people can rage over this simple request), so I bit the bullet and have started all over again. And yeah, it is a lot quicker to at least level up, and to some extent, you can dbox over some really good gear, which is really nice. But it still is not a walk in the park, by any means.
One thing's for sure. If it weren't for Abyssea and new xp, there is no way I would've rerolled.
Number of people that would pay for it probably wouldn't cover the cost of implenting it.
If you want to do this you can create a new char on the same account, level it to 30 speed level and do everything you want to do and transfer r/e equip over. It's a little more annoying but it's the same end result, just a little more work.
Last I checked you can't transfer af/relic/empyrean (nq/+1/+2), and many other quest items. Not to mention sub jobs aren't leveled, skills are severely destroyed, and lack of access to many things, such as OPs, airship pass, abyssea clears and ports, etc.
Still this is a good route to take in the mean time. Levels can be caught up pretty quick and gear doesn't take too long to recollect.
Seriha
12-29-2011, 01:51 AM
Pretty much okay with it along with paid name changes. Both tend to be argued against for the same inane reasons, but with a cash cost and cooldown period of at least 30 days, abuse won't be nearly as bad as some would want us to believe.
eddy2910
01-31-2012, 02:44 AM
Hello i am posting this because of people who keep posting to make new char if i want different stats and wanting them to know that if only its that easy ive been playing for almost 8 years and ive chosen to be a tarutaru since then and wanted to be main whm and ive learned that whm is EXTREMELY boring and cant stand the job so i leveled other jobs mainly PLD and started to work on a Aegis and just finished it couple days ago now your telling me because i want to be hume with little more HP and more Def to be main pld am have to start new char start to work on new shield to enjoy the job am on i just hope this thread will be read by someone who can put race change and you dont need to make it every 3 months week or day a 1 time thing will work for the best for mistake in race while u first started the game.
Rewyen
01-31-2012, 05:13 AM
There was not one part of that I understood.
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eddy2910
01-31-2012, 05:22 AM
well just hope they let u race change dont like a tarudin
Rewyen
01-31-2012, 05:38 AM
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Alhanelem
01-31-2012, 07:52 AM
Hello i am posting this because of people who keep posting to make new char if i want different stats and wanting them to know that if only its that easy ive been playing for almost 8 years and ive chosen to be a tarutaru since then and wanted to be main whm and ive learned that whm is EXTREMELY boring and cant stand the job so i leveled other jobs mainly PLD and started to work on a Aegis and just finished it couple days ago now your telling me because i want to be hume with little more HP and more Def to be main pld am have to start new char start to work on new shield to enjoy the job am on i just hope this thread will be read by someone who can put race change and you dont need to make it every 3 months week or day a 1 time thing will work for the best for mistake in race while u first started the game.
Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.
You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
FrankReynolds
01-31-2012, 08:12 AM
Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.
You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.
Alhanelem
01-31-2012, 09:28 AM
You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.
You can have the best stats possible on any race. I just got done explaining that the difference between the races in performance is very small.
Races should not be changeable, ever. You should put more thought into your choice and know better than to pick based on a class you haven't even played yet and dont know what its like. (And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)
The only exception I would ever stand for is if a new race was added- but that's not ever going to happen, nor is convincing SE of the need for this, since they've already shot it down on technical grounds.
You like being big and fury.Actually, I wanted to be a paladin when I started. But then on my first party in the dunes, I saw a sumomner running around with an avatar out and I was like "shit, I want that!" I didn't even consider changing races- I just went ahead and played the job anyway and fought the resulting uphill battle from playerbase misconceptions.
Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.
You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
This is very true. Stats aren't the most significant between races. My Elvaan Black Mage was relatively okay compared to my Tarutaru Black Mage (at 75). There were lots of Tarus I would beat at damage. And my Elvaan Summoner never had a problem with running out of MP (if I was soloing).
That said, not everyone wants a race change for stat change. I didn't. Inches didn't. We wanted different character models (that everyone else could see too) for reasons that weren't related to game mechanics. I couldn't stand playing a female Elvaan and being called a chick all the time because of it. Unfortunately I still get that on my taru but now I can tell them to shut up because I have a boy taru, making it their fault for not seeing that. And Inches wanted to see his character grow up.
Whatever the reason, people should be allowed to get race changes. If stats are so insignificant, then there's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to swap if they so choose. I especially support it for the fun factor. (Starting over is definitely not fun, but doable if a person is desperate enough.)
Economizer
01-31-2012, 12:55 PM
(And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)
I take offense to this. :(
Playing a White Mage isn't boring if you take your role as a Cleric rather then a second class buff bot. Part of being a Cleric means that you have to have a hammer ready for some blunt force trauma justice if you don't like the way things turn out, or even bust out the Holy laser on occasion to turn the tide (I've won big fights when things have gone very bad by a well placed Holy). Part of being a Cleric is having people who understand that everyone is playing to have fun and that putting people you play with in a position where they have no fun and everyone else does is a good way to lose them or end up with them changing to play an easier class.
Granted, the job isn't for everyone, but part of the issue is a playerbase that tends to take a dump on anything they view as support.
Alhanelem
01-31-2012, 01:01 PM
oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.
Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..
FrankReynolds
01-31-2012, 11:14 PM
oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.
Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..
It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come. People at work won't forget your name if you change from manthra to hume. The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it. Artificial importance. I'm sorry, but getting a new character up to snuff takes months even at today's exp rates. Changing your character from midget to fury cat guy shouldn't take that long, and people are already naming characters all sorts of stupid and offensive things (not that this thread is really about name changing).
eddy2910
02-03-2012, 03:10 AM
also WoW has race change why not this game
Disguise
03-11-2012, 10:38 AM
I'd like to here some more input into this suggestion.
I don't see why this is would be such a problem if it was implemented. There are players in the game who have played for years and years, achieved so much who don't want to start again. As the game has progressed, jobs have became avaliable and have changed dramatically over time, which has caught players eyes.
The ability to allow a player to change there race one every X months or just once (like the 1 time recovery system we have), would mean players can enjoy the game more.
Alhanelem
03-11-2012, 12:09 PM
It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come.Except, that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't like it, then don't play the game.
As far as I know, no other FF game lets you change your name after the fact (Final Fantasy Legend doesn't count). Why should this one be any different?
And this isn't WoW, so stop using WoW as a justification. Apples and Oranges.
There is no good reason to change your name that either couldn't have been prevented by simply making a smart choice form the start, or doesn't involve getting out of a bad reputation.
The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it.This is a good thing. It should not be "what tickles your fancy in the moment," it should be what you REALLY want it to be, and it should be chosen with the full understanding that you can't change it later.
Making people think about their names reduces the number of immature, stupid names and prevents people from abusing a name change to escape a bad rap.
Rosina
03-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Ok al...
stop taking the game super seriously. Like jeezum... I just facepalmed every rude reply you written out.
Most mmo allow a race/ look change. And those actually net money for the game which is a good thing for developement, may bring in players, and help the longevity of the current players.
It beats what I do which is start from scratch the second I get bored.
I restarted this game over 70 times. And no this isn't a lie I counted out my characters last i reactivated one. try doing chocobo quest 30 times, try being maat over 100 times, try having to re earn fame for every nation to do gobby bag quests over 40 times. It gets old fast. Its almost mind numbing. I know most every story line for this game cuz I've done it so many times. Just because i get bored of my characters look/ name.
Its a video game, meant for fun of the user not a contract with saten that you need to seriously think about.
Disguise
03-11-2012, 10:42 PM
Ok al...
stop taking the game super seriously. Like jeezum... I just facepalmed every rude reply you written out.
Most mmo allow a race/ look change. And those actually net money for the game which is a good thing for developement, may bring in players, and help the longevity of the current players.
It beats what I do which is start from scratch the second I get bored.
I restarted this game over 70 times. And no this isn't a lie I counted out my characters last i reactivated one. try doing chocobo quest 30 times, try being maat over 100 times, try having to re earn fame for every nation to do gobby bag quests over 40 times. It gets old fast. Its almost mind numbing. I know most every story line for this game cuz I've done it so many times. Just because i get bored of my characters look/ name.
Its a video game, meant for fun of the user not a contract with saten that you need to seriously think about.
I couldn't agree with this any more than I already do.
I've probably only started the game again 3 times however I've made multiple new characters and just messed around on them because I was bored of playing as a Hume. It becomes very annoying doing the same missions, quests, job unlocking, limit breaks ect.
Like Rosina stated, It's a game and shouldn't be taken so seriously, games are meant to be fun and enjoyable. After X amount of years, seeing the same old character, with the same old hair because very boring and is a turn off in some cases. I know I don't want to play the game as much because I'm sick of being a Hume player.
FrankReynolds
03-12-2012, 02:19 AM
Funny story... in the country I live in people put serious thought into what they name their kids because they think it is a very important part of the child's life, a good way to reflect the feelings that they felt bringing the child into the world, a way to pass down family traditions and a way to reflect the love they feel for that child that will be repeated to him / her every day...
But then later if they change their mind, they can change it.
I see where people are going with this though. Keeping my mule named audreyhollander from changing her name is far too important. I really should have thought that out. I mean this is a video game. Not some trivial matter like a child.
DrStrangelove
03-12-2012, 03:27 AM
Except, that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't like it, then don't play the game.
As far as I know, no other FF game lets you change your name after the fact (Final Fantasy Legend doesn't count). Why should this one be any different?
And this isn't WoW, so stop using WoW as a justification. Apples and Oranges.
There is no good reason to change your name that either couldn't have been prevented by simply making a smart choice form the start, or doesn't involve getting out of a bad reputation.
This is a good thing. It should not be "what tickles your fancy in the moment," it should be what you REALLY want it to be, and it should be chosen with the full understanding that you can't change it later.
Making people think about their names reduces the number of immature, stupid names and prevents people from abusing a name change to escape a bad rap.
You really have to ignore his posts. He does this in every thread about this becasue he has a buzzing, super sized bee up his rear.
Why, oh why, oh why, do people make time and effort to post on something that has NOTHING to do with them? Why do people care what color my toilet paper is, what time I eat dinner, whether I put ice in my glass before or after I add the drink, or what race I change my character too?
Answer: no one knows. Go somewhere else and spend your time on more stuff that does not affect or concern you.
So ignore him, and ignore Brolic who also likes to troll and stink up these threads.
I want to have the option of a race change.
1) It can be done on the phone or with a notary with SE to insure it's me (the account owner)
2) I will pay an extra fee
3) It's doable...I've already posted that these changes already exist in the code
4) It can be a one-time only change
5) It can be restricted so you can't have a server change or name change for 6 months before or after, if that makes people happy
6) it can be done only if you have a token if that makes people happy
7) It can be done only if you have had the character for 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years, if that makes people happy
8) It can be done only if all your jobs are 99, if that makes people happy.
9) I will gladly drop all my race specific and sex specific gear before the change if that makes people happy.
10) I will gladly have all my race specific quests and missions reset if that makes people happy.
Disguise
03-12-2012, 03:55 AM
You really have to ignore his posts. He does this in every thread about this becasue he has a buzzing, super sized bee up his rear.
Why, oh why, oh why, do people make time and effort to post on something that has NOTHING to do with them? Why do people care what color my toilet paper is, what time I eat dinner, whether I put ice in my glass before or after I add the drink, or what race I change my character too?
Answer: no one knows. Go somewhere else and spend your time on more stuff that does not affect or concern you.
So ignore him, and ignore Brolic who also likes to troll and stink up these threads.
I want to have the option of a race change.
1) It can be done on the phone or with a notary with SE to insure it's me (the account owner)
2) I will pay an extra fee
3) It's doable...I've already posted that these changes already exist in the code
4) It can be a one-time only change
5) It can be restricted so you can't have a server change or name change for 6 months before or after, if that makes people happy
6) it can be done only if you have a token if that makes people happy
7) It can be done only if you have had the character for 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years, if that makes people happy
8) It can be done only if all your jobs are 99, if that makes people happy.
9) I will gladly drop all my race specific and sex specific gear before the change if that makes people happy.
10) I will gladly have all my race specific quests and missions reset if that makes people happy.
Thank you, I couldn't of put that into better context.
wildsprite
03-12-2012, 05:23 AM
people that shoot down ideas just because another MMO has them are just trolls that need to get a life, just because WoW has it does not make it a bad idea nor does it make it kiddish, look at how many great games steal ideas from eachother, it doesn't make them any less great and besides, if it would bring in more players then its a good idea, stop trolling threads because you think anything WoW has in it that could be added would ruin FFXI, it wouldn't, grow up, get over it
Disguise
03-12-2012, 05:28 AM
people that shoot down ideas just because another MMO has them are just trolls that need to get a life, just because WoW has it does not make it a bad idea nor does it make it kiddish, look at how many great games steal ideas from eachother, it doesn't make them any less great and besides, if it would bring in more players then its a good idea, stop trolling threads because you think anything WoW has in it that could be added would ruin FFXI, it wouldn't, grow up, get over it
Thank you!
I believe that this would benefit a lot of players who are currently playing the game. I know many players who started off as a WHM only, so they decided to make there character a TaruTaru. As the game progressed, new jobs were released, next expansions ect, you'll understand why many players would love to change there race.
Lollerblades
03-12-2012, 09:28 AM
It's a possibility it could be done - but you also have to take into consideration some gear is sex exclusive , prime example for this would be Dancer AF. Slight pain in the ass to change coding because people are bored of their race/sex - I think I'd be happier with a boutique type system where you can personalise your character like most of the free to play mmo do. I can't see a race change feature happening in near future. But Squeenix are full of surprises so who knows...
Disguise
03-12-2012, 10:03 AM
It's a possibility it could be done - but you also have to take into consideration some gear is sex exclusive , prime example for this would be Dancer AF. Slight pain in the ass to change coding because people are bored of their race/sex - I think I'd be happier with a boutique type system where you can personalise your character like most of the free to play mmo do. I can't see a race change feature happening in near future. But Squeenix are full of surprises so who knows...
Changing races comes with consequences when it comes down to RSE gear. If you want to change your race because your not enjoying the game or simple made a mistake, then you'll have to deal with the fact certain gear you can obtain once you race change, will be rendered useless.
Kristal
03-12-2012, 09:04 PM
If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.
also WoW has race change why not this game
WoW doesn't have class change (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1694850226#7), this game has.
Disguise
03-12-2012, 10:40 PM
If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.
WoW doesn't have class change (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1694850226#7), this game has.
Third party tools will get you banned.
If you really thing the game is all about doing some GoV/Abyssea, then you need to actually experience the game. There's other content out there other than Abyssea, some people have seem to forgotten that.
Camiie
03-12-2012, 11:13 PM
I can only speak for myself, but if I wanted to do a race change I'd be fine with a sizable fee and having to re-obtain RSE type gear if needed.
I can see the issue people have with name changes, but I haven't the foggiest idea why any of you care what race/face/size my or anyone's character is other than your own. Are you afraid that race changes will be mandated by your LS leaders for min/max purposes? If so, that's an LS problem not an SE problem.
Rosina
03-12-2012, 11:57 PM
Plus stuff like this gives the game money. WoW lets you race change for a fee and you must pick a race with your class unless you start over. But in WoW it is easier to reroll then it is on ffxi. Fame in WoW is way easier to get then in ffxi. Hate to say it, part of WoWs popularity is from the merchandice they produce. Like stuff SE did but more. Like buy a plushi (so wanted one might i add) you get an ingame pet. They also sell mounts and various pets for ingame. Server transfers, have promotions for accounts like their new one on giving you an 80 (which is smart in a sence since death knight requires a 55+ character to make one) plus race change. This ontop of sub fee from its 11mil playerbase.
If SE did this for ffxi and ffxiv it could bring them money to do bigger updates or even add more expaxs and if they promote it right could get ppl to come back or join the game. Pretty much like the token gives you a free thing of inventory. Or the tidal necklace giving you the tidal body peice.
Dragoy
03-13-2012, 12:10 AM
Changing one's race obviously would be rather difficult to do so that it would make any sense, but on a similar thought I have suggested somewhere before that there could be either more hair-styles and/or just the option to change them via a quest like 'Brygid the Stylist Burns' or something.
Completely 're-rolling' a character, while a understandable want, I have a hard time seeing it would ever happen. Personally, if I wanted a new character, I would do just that, create a new character. Obviously it would have zarrro quests done and all that, but that's part of the fun, it is a new character after all.
I don't remember what they decided on about characters in XIV after the 2.0 comes out. I do remember reading about it, and if I remember right, they had not decided yet if completely changing races would be allowed or not so even if nearly completely re-making a game might not involve such a feature, I don't see how this would.
Granted, it's a different game and so on, but even without that comparison, I have a hard time seeing this ever happening. Name changes, or even sex changes are not unusual, and in the end, it is a game, so it doesn't really have to make sense when it comes to money, which they would be making more for XIV ~cough~ I mean, for the good of XI, if they did implement at least one of these services (change of name, sex, race, et cetera).
So to put it more clearly, I would likely never use any of these, but I wouldn't be against it, either. Sure, it would not make sense, but if they would make players happy, goferit, I wouldn't really care...
On another note, no, third party applications, or 'cheats', should never be something required for a game, be it to enhance the experience or to gain unfair advantages and blah-blah but that's another story, for another place and time, or is it. ^^;
Blubb.
FrankReynolds
03-13-2012, 01:48 AM
If you want race change for the looks, there's 3rd party tools for that.
If you want it for the stats, it costs $1/€1 and some time doing GoV/Abyssea.
WoW doesn't have class change (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1694850226#7), this game has.
LOL your okay with people changing race by using third party tools, as long as you don't have to see it... What's the logic behind that (if there is any)?
Zerich
03-13-2012, 04:16 AM
They already have this feature, it's called "Create a New Character".
They already have this feature, it's called "Create a New Character".
Creating a new character doesn't keep all the progress from your old character which is what people would want.
Camiie
03-13-2012, 05:23 AM
Changing one's race obviously would be rather difficult to do so that it would make any sense, but on a similar thought I have suggested somewhere before that there could be either more hair-styles and/or just the option to change them via a quest like 'Brygid the Stylist Burns' or something.
Not every feature they offer has to make sense within or tie into the game world. It is still a game after all, and I can think of several aspects of the game that already don't make sense within the game world.
Completely 're-rolling' a character, while a understandable want, I have a hard time seeing it would ever happen. Personally, if I wanted a new character, I would do just that, create a new character. Obviously it would have zarrro quests done and all that, but that's part of the fun, it is a new character after all.
People who say "just reroll" are just trolling. That's not a serious response at all. The only valid argument I can see against adding race changes is that it would cut into dev time that's already at a premium since they're so undermanned. That's more than likely the deal breaker right there, and that's fine though disappointing. As far as other reasons people have given, I'm gonna need a lot more reasoning to even begin to get behind those.
Like I said, name changes I can see an issue with. People could, at least to an extent, hide from their reputations. Of course, name changes could be handled under a separate process or not offered at all.
Zerich
03-13-2012, 07:29 AM
Creating a new character doesn't keep all the progress from your old character which is what people would want.
<I'm sorry> <That's too bad.>
Concerned4FFxi
03-13-2012, 07:41 AM
Could offer a one time onl name change, like the ability to retrieve an item that was lost once in the game. As for race change, whats so bad about it being like the transfer service and have a fee attached, after all this is a business right?
Disguise
03-13-2012, 07:45 AM
Could offer a one time onl name change, like the ability to retrieve an item that was lost once in the game. As for race change, whats so bad about it being like the transfer service and have a fee attached, after all this is a business right?
My point exactly.
It's not like you'll be able to change your race every time you wake up or every time you change job. "I'm going PLD to event, better become a Galka". It's more of a X amount of months or a 1-time chance.
I honestly don't see why people have a problem with others changing race, when it doesn't affect you in any way.
Atomic_Skull
03-13-2012, 09:56 AM
I don't see why they wouldn't allow this to happen, I don't see the big deal with people allowed to change there race every few months.
If they won't even allow same sex marriages in FFXI then they certainly aren't going to allow transsexual mithras and galkas.
In the most recent(February 2011 via twitter) response from SE about Race/gender changes That i could find:
We’d like to introduce a few ideas that we dismissed. Sadly, items that change race/gender are not possible due to equipment issues. #FFXI
SE said they couldn't change Race/Gender, it was said in specific response to the request of the player base to have an ingame item that could change race/geneder as the Rank 1 Reward to the Mog Bonanza.
This response was only to an In-game item, NOT a system similar to a server transfer. So perhaps there is still hope.
I doubt we'll get a response on the subject without a 50 page thread like the 99 empy/relics thread or the Neo-Nyzul thread.
Camiie
03-13-2012, 11:09 AM
If they won't even allow same sex marriages in FFXI then they certainly aren't going to allow transsexual mithras and galkas.
Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.
Atomic_Skull
03-13-2012, 11:32 AM
Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.
Your character isn't you, it's your character.
SpankWustler
03-13-2012, 11:41 AM
I get that some bro at SE has said "No." to race changes at some point in the past, but I can't wrap my head around the few people who are very passionately arguing against others being able to change their race on seemingly moral grounds. This is probably the starkest example of something that would never-ever affect anyone who did not actively choose to make use of it that I have ever seen posted on these boards.
As for story-justification, well, it turns out a certain little Tarutaru subligar-aficionado is that skilled a make-over artist, okay?
Then they should probably force us all to play characters of our real life gender.
Also, gigantically fat people must play as Galka. Even women, if they're fat past the point of apparent secondary sex characteristics. Devito-Fat people must play as Tarutaru. I think we're onto something here!
Camiie
03-13-2012, 11:49 AM
Your character isn't you, it's your character.
With that line of thinking the transsexual "argument" you made becomes even more irrelevant (if that's even possible).
FrankReynolds
03-13-2012, 02:17 PM
I remember playing Unreal tournament On the original XBOX. People could change their names in between every match if they wanted. Some people thought up some stupid names just for shiggles. Most people who played the game regularly kept their name the same all the time so that people knew who they were.
Somehow I doubt that it would be much different in FFXI. You would probably see a few stupid names for a little while, until the novelty wore off, and then things would be back to normal. There are already all sorts of mules running around town with dumb ass names, so I doubt it would even be noticeable.
As for the race change... If kids in their mom's basement can figure how to do it, and the Devs can't... Some one should lock the devs in a cell with nothing to eat but redbull and a bunch of programming manuals, and not let them out until they figure that ish out (Maybe throw in some whiskey and PCP, and televise it too).
Tsukino_Kaji
03-13-2012, 02:36 PM
Most mmo allow a race... change.Who?
Superfluous text.
Kristal
03-13-2012, 05:24 PM
Plus stuff like this gives the game money.
Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase. It won't bring in new players by the thousands or even dozens.
On the other hand, leveling a mule or even a new account is going to bring in guaranteed revenue. Every month. And no problems with change regret or malicious changes by (ex-)friends.
Some people consider their characters part of themselves, due to the time they spent on developing it. Others treat it as a piece of clothing that can be swapped as needed.
Rosina
03-13-2012, 05:51 PM
First off MMo with tons of options and less restrictions tend to get customers. People see games as games, and more freedom more likely they choose said mmo. Why do you think WoW is popular? Its one of the less restrictive mmo out there. Second, devs do not have a "budget" they put in mmo over its lifetime and can add this option w/o sacrifice. And you can't say it doesn't add to the game when it does to other people who want this option.
As for which mmo already do this?
World of warcraft for starters has both name change server change and race change, as well as ingame barber shops to remake said character in a simple sence of look. I've played serveral MUD by Iron realms entertainment. MUD are text based mmo played on the browser. These games let you race change with in the game itself and adds a layer to the game play.
Aion allows it because they are trying to get people to play asmodian for some odd reason, no one likes playing that race and game suffered from it.
Making a second post my appologies.
Rosina
03-13-2012, 06:00 PM
Second post to soley talk to kristal
I'm unsure how long you have played ffxi. But there is way more tgo the game then level cap and abyssea. There you need to rebuild fame, re do chocobo quest which is a 4-6 hour quest. Redo rank missions, redo mog house upgrades, redo goblin bag quests, af, advance jobs dark might i add is a pain to do 6 times. Regetting certain nm drops. re doing all of the mog trials.
So what your saying is just because you personally see no point, you feel a player should suffer through all of that just because they want to play a tarutaru instead or w/e race they want to change to.
This game is not all that forgiving when it comes to re-rolling your character. Trust me I did it over 70 times like I mentioned. Everyone against this idea... please do what you preach. Make 30 mules and do everything over with each, this includes getting every map, max fame in every nation, having all spells for all jobs and getting rank 10 in every nation and unlocking every job. Do every story line.
Camiie
03-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase.
The first sentence is fine, but what proof do you have for the second one? Have you taken a poll of the playerbase or are you just projecting your ideas onto them.
Kristal
03-13-2012, 07:22 PM
Second post to soley talk to kristal
I'm unsure how long you have played ffxi. But there is way more tgo the game then level cap and abyssea. There you need to rebuild fame, re do chocobo quest which is a 4-6 hour quest. Redo rank missions, redo mog house upgrades, redo goblin bag quests, af, advance jobs dark might i add is a pain to do 6 times. Regetting certain nm drops. re doing all of the mog trials.
So what your saying is just because you personally see no point, you feel a player should suffer through all of that just because they want to play a tarutaru instead or w/e race they want to change to.
I'm an US-import EU-player with original install discs for all expansions. Guess how long I've played...
Most of what you mention can be done solo in little time, especially if you use a speed guide and don't bother with the useless stuff. The rest can be done with a friend or two. You only need minimal ranks and such, NM drops and most gear can be dboxed within an account, etc. Most time is probably taken up by skills and spells.
And all that 'suffering' is because you decided that after x years, you're tired of that tail or yet another galkan ass you fleed into.
This game is not all that forgiving when it comes to re-rolling your character. Trust me I did it over 70 times like I mentioned. Everyone against this idea... please do what you preach. Make 30 mules and do everything over with each, this includes getting every map, max fame in every nation, having all spells for all jobs and getting rank 10 in every nation and unlocking every job. Do every story line.
With all due respect, but you are a freak :D And I got 5 mules, several of which have been upgraded for storage, crafting or easy access to materials. (Try running a lvl 1 through caederva mire past imps ;D)
Blizzard I can see adding class change to WoW, because let's face it, they got 10M players to lure to their cash shops, merchandise, etc. They'll do anything to milk that cashcow!
SE has some more backbone there. They'll generally stick to THEIR idea of how the game should work, and only started looking at player input very recently. (Acting upon player suggestions is another matter.)
But really, there's no point in further argueing, since we're not going to change our opinion.
The only thing I would be interested in, is how much people would realistically be willing to pay for such a race change. Such changes in WoW (or WKC) aren't cheap. Given the apparent importance and impact on the game, how would $100 sounds for a full reroll? $50 for race change, $35 for gender change, $15 for face+size change. With a 30-day one-time revert option if it just doesn't feel right, for free!
FrankReynolds
03-14-2012, 02:19 AM
I'm an US-import EU-player with original install discs for all expansions. Guess how long I've played...
Most of what you mention can be done solo in little time, especially if you use a speed guide and don't bother with the useless stuff. The rest can be done with a friend or two. You only need minimal ranks and such, NM drops and most gear can be dboxed within an account, etc. Most time is probably taken up by skills and spells.
And all that 'suffering' is because you decided that after x years, you're tired of that tail or yet another galkan ass you fleed into.
Why would they not charge a fee that allowed them to turn a profit off of this (or just do it for free depending how easy it is to implement)? Why would I want to do all that crap when I could just pay a fee and switch?
The only thing I would be interested in, is how much people would realistically be willing to pay for such a race change. Such changes in WoW (or WKC) aren't cheap. Given the apparent importance and impact on the game, how would $100 sounds for a full reroll? $50 for race change, $35 for gender change, $15 for face+size change. With a 30-day one-time revert option if it just doesn't feel right, for free!
Those prices are probably double what they would have to be to turn a profit, but consider how much money would be made if every one in the game just did one of those things once...ever...
$15 * 250,000 players = $3,750,000 (I hear devs get paid well at SE, but I highly doubt they could spend anywhere near this amount on making it work)
Now I know what people are going to say: "Yeah, but not everyone is gonna want to do that!"
Keep in mind though that some people have multiple accounts, and other people would probably do it as frequently they can. It would have to be incredibly poorly implemented in order to not turn a profit. Never mind the fact that it adds another degree of freedom to the game.
Kristal
03-14-2012, 06:36 PM
I think a more realistic figure would be 10% of players (for just a face change). $375.000 that would need to cover development time, support, interface changes/website changes. And that money is the expected total amount. You might get half of that within a few months after the introduction.
Also keep in mind that SE doesn't have infinite manpower and resources to spend on an aging game. Add this, and something else gets delayed that benefits all players.
FrankReynolds
03-14-2012, 10:23 PM
I think a more realistic figure would be 10% of players (for just a face change). $375.000 that would need to cover development time, support, interface changes/website changes. And that money is the expected total amount. You might get half of that within a few months after the introduction.
Also keep in mind that SE doesn't have infinite manpower and resources to spend on an aging game. Add this, and something else gets delayed that benefits all players.
That $375,000 is based off of only %10 of players wanting to do this, that they never do it again, and that they only choose the cheapest service you listed. And even then... how much do you think they would actually pay a guy who couldn't implement these sorts of things in a timely fashion?
Realistically, there are tons of people who would change race because they are stuck on something that made sense X years ago, and doesn't fit them anymore. There are tons of people who named their character something funny like "iclubbabyseals" not realizing that 5 years later they would still be playing this game, and feel too invested to delete that guy. There are a million other reasons, but really... a lot of people would do these things just for a change. Saying that only 10% of players would do a name / face / race / gender change is really lowballing, and it still wouldn't make this unprofitable.
Kristal
03-15-2012, 12:17 AM
No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.
Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals
Camiie
03-15-2012, 02:54 AM
While Kristal seems to have all the answers already, perhaps SE should still at least look into the potential costs, technical feasibility, and player desire just to make sure their numbers match. Nothing wrong with a second opinion is there? It's nothing personal against the first careful, professional analysis, but let's be absolutely sure before we toss the idea out completely.
FrankReynolds
03-15-2012, 05:02 AM
No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.
Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals
They built entire expansions that carry a one time fee of $10. Hell, you can buy the whole game for like $14.99. I'd say making 10% of the people happy is a pretty good chunk considering the responses they get about stuff that they are not charging additional fees for. And again, I think your pulling that 10% number out of your whoo hoo.
I remember Iclubbabyseals from hades. Wonder if it's the same guy.
Disguise
03-15-2012, 05:29 AM
No, that 10% includes flippers. The more expensive options would see even less demand, 10% of the next cheaper option, so you'd be lucky getting to $500.000. A lot of money for you, but pennies for SE. Merely a fraction of a single monthly income, but spread out over a year.
Oh, and guess what... Remora has a Iclubbabyseals
You can buy the game with every expansion available here in the UK for £17.99 on steam. That's a fixed price, SE will only make more money if that person continues to play. What other options does SE have except world transfers and a security token? Nothing.
Giving users the ability to change there race will help bring in more income for the game, no matter how little the price is or how often you can change your race.
Rezeak
03-15-2012, 07:28 AM
lol why do pple think this is even hard to implement honestly it's no less difficult to do than world transfer (aka via a automated system) and they have pple maintaining that so could put with that easily.
Also i'm pretty sure it could be done via an in game NPC since it's only changing 1 value of a chars data... honestly if people can't see that this is EASY to implement there dumb.
Honestly i feel it should be done (not that i'd use it) it's just something SE could do easily and customers are waving money at them for it but SE has a habit of refusing money off us.
Disguise
03-15-2012, 07:57 AM
I just wish someone with higher authority would take a look at this suggestion and give us some answers or even ask some questions them self.
DrStrangelove
03-15-2012, 01:44 PM
Don't forget that it also COSTS money to make and maintain. For an essentially one-time feature that adds nothing to gameplay and is of no value to the majority of the playerbase. It won't bring in new players by the thousands or even dozens.
This is true of EVERYTHING. Do you think that 100% of the player base are blm? or smn? or pup? Do you think that 100% use chocobos? That 100% go to dynamis? or Salvage? Etc....
Everything costs money and everything is only used by a portion of the player base that is often far less than 25%. At the same time, SE has not told us what it would costs, but the most likely cost will be much less than $50. And guess what? Players would pay that. So this is a non-issue.
On the other hand, leveling a mule or even a new account is going to bring in guaranteed revenue. Every month. And no problems with change regret or malicious changes by (ex-)friends. Your argument is this: by making the customer unhappy by not providing the service they WANT...we will force them to do a lot more work to get what they want, which will make us happy. This is a good way to lose customers. This is a good way to NOT get repeat business from existing customers. This is a good way to cement an image that you are a company unwilling to address serious customer issues.
This is what AT&T used to do when they owned the entire telephone system in the United States. They only gave customers 1 color of phone, they forced them to pay high long distance charges to talk to their distant relatives and the refused to listen to complaints. Guess what? As soon as customers had a choice, AT&T lost a giant chunk of their lifelong customers just because other phone companies were willing to let customers make a simple change. Sprint, MCI, Nextel, Verizon, etc are made up of tens of millions of former AT&T customers who had enough.
Some people consider their characters part of themselves, due to the time they spent on developing it. Others treat it as a piece of clothing that can be swapped as needed. Interesting, but not relevant. The issue is whether SE cares enough about people that use it's product to enable them to have a simple change, not for free, but that they will pay for.
Think AT&T and the black phones.....and how happy people were to leave AT&T to get another phone with a different color.
Krashport
03-15-2012, 03:12 PM
~Having one accounts~
$12.95 a Month.
$155.40 a Year.
Adding $2.00 a month for two mules, $179.40 a Year.
8 Years paid, $1,435.20.
~Having two accounts~
$25.90 a Month.
$310.80 a Year.
Adding $4.00 a Month for four mules, $358.80 a Year.
8 Years paid, $2,870.40.
~Having three accounts~
$38.85 a Month.
$466.20 a Year.
Adding $6.00 a Month for six mules, $430.80 a Year.
8 Years paid, $3,446.40.
Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.
macross
03-15-2012, 04:06 PM
If they added this then there wouldn't be many taru, as they would all change to humans probably cause they are the superior race.
Rezeak
03-15-2012, 07:23 PM
~Having one accounts~
$12.95 a Month.
$155.40 a Year.
Adding $2.00 a month for two mules, $179.40 a Year.
8 Years paid, $1,435.20.
Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.
LOL if your think FFXI is expensive don't play
MMOs are a very cheap source of entertainment here's what $13 could of got me other wise...
A (small) round of drink... (3-20 mins)
Going to the cinema... (2-3 hours)
Some cheap indy game (1-30 hours)
Renting some DVDs/Films (6-10 hours)
A month of FFXI (if i play say 4 hours a day) (120 hours)
So yea if you acully play FFXI it's worth the money.
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On topic Race change is probably as difficult as a job change
Think about it
Race change would have issues with Race specific equips.
Job changes deal with Job specific equips by degearing a player
Race changes would have issues with race specific quests.
Job specific quests require you to be on the job it involves to start them
Cahlum
03-16-2012, 12:16 AM
It would not be difficult to implement this at all, its just changing a value on a spreadsheet its really not difficult, may contain a few problems with PM8-3 but that is all
Rosina
03-16-2012, 01:28 AM
Ok K-stal (too tired to care.)
First off i'm no freek. But I and most ppl I talk to, play ffxi on the whole. Not do 10% of it. Even still, I restarted 13 times with in this week alone. Chocobo quest after 40+ times is annoying as heck. Having to wait to re-earn a high amount of stone for abyssea is a pain in the butt. Monk belt quests require tenshodo fame which is still a pain the the butt. The only quest this effects is the level 30-50 RSE gear from the golbin shop.
A quest they can easily change or have it be repeatable. Infact you can actually buy this gear, so doing the quest is more for fun/free gear. But again K-stal you can't say jack outside your own opinion. Not be the "voice" of others. How do you know the cost won't be justified. I know ppl on WoW change race every chance they get. Infact you can change from horde to allince as long as said race has the class you got. And that game has race specific mounts which get changed. They even changed it so races can have any mount.
Camiie
03-16-2012, 02:25 AM
It would not be difficult to implement this at all, its just changing a value on a spreadsheet its really not difficult, may contain a few problems with PM8-3 but that is all
I know they're different games, but WoW's race change will automatically change faction (their version of fame) and racial mounts to the appropriate counterparts for the new race. I wonder if it would really be that hard for SE to similarly exchange RSE items or race specific key items for their counterparts.
Disguise
03-16-2012, 02:33 AM
I know they're different games, but WoW's race change will automatically change faction (their version of fame) and racial mounts to the appropriate counterparts for the new race. I wonder if it would really be that hard for SE to similarly exchange RSE items or race specific key items for their counterparts.
A simple NPC somewhere in-game would be perfect.
This NPC will act as a RSE exchanger. For example, I'm a hume and I race changed to a Elvaan. I would trade any RSE I have for hume and they will give you the option to obtain the same gear but for a different race. You'll select the race you are from a drop down menu.
Jamesy
03-16-2012, 03:37 AM
only way i would ever want this to happen is if SE were to add two more races to the game to choose from which they wont ever do
Krashport
03-16-2012, 05:10 AM
There is a lot more involved other then RSE "Gear" that would/will effect the game concerning race changing, as to effecting your race you picked just to name a few some Quests, Food effects, CoP missions. (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/A_Fate_Decided) I'm sure there is more but am to lazy to really look them up.
Dragoy
03-16-2012, 06:59 AM
Even still, I restarted 13 times with in this week alone.
I have to say that I think this is not even close to a common practice.
Why in the name of Altana would you want to do that? Ø_̉Ø
I am sure you are not the only one, not saying that, but I doubt that it is really common at all.
If I imagine starting over 13 times within a week, even though it would be really easy to stay busy all that time, one would probably not accomplish too much within that time yet.
I'd understand the grief of starting anew after playing for years, or even months, as the same character but well, it has been very easy for me to be happy with the character I created in the start, in any game, so I will likely never fully understand the want for this.
Borrowing Yoshi-P's words (or whoever crafted them):
We've had a ton of requests for race changes, so I'm thinking that it's a good idea. But are you all really okay with gender? For example, if your friend changes his gender, that may be quite shocking. System-wise it's no problem at all, so it's really up to you. It's not like you have to change gender if you don't want to, so please let me know your feedback.
As I said before, this is of course not about FFXI.
I wanted to quote it since I mentioned it earlier and found it later (or at least I think this is what I was thinking then).
I think my point is, if there is any, if repeating quests is annoying, why do it?
Is sticking to the one character really the greater evil?
Perhaps get two or more computers (or consoles if you must prefer that) set up and play more than one characters at a time, if you can afford it. That way you would have more variance at all times so perhaps you wouldn't get so bored so fast. >:Ð
By the by, I mean no disrespect at all, I'm merely interested what makes one really want to do this so often.
I mean I can imagine getting bored at something and/or not liking it as much after a while, in other words, a change of mind, but I really doubt this happens that much. There are probably more of those that have older characters but I personally grow attached to them more than bored.
Of course there are those that buy their accounts and characters with them and thus would like to change them... I doubt they would be vocal about it, heh, and yes, that is of course a violation of the User Agreement, ToS, et cetera.
Anywho, welcome back~
It's nice to see you posting again, Rosina. ^^
Tsukino_Kaji
03-16-2012, 07:13 AM
Square Enix still charging full price for an outdated game and haven't added much for content, priceless.Being virtualy tied for number 1, is by no means outdated. Nor is $12.95 a month high.
I know ppl on WoW change race every chance they get. Infact you can change from horde to allince as long as said race has the class you got.This is a realy stupid argument. WoW dose get to change race, but they's because every expansion they add has 1-4 new races in it. That has nothing to do with a game that more finite in this aspect. This is a game were you're stuck with the job you chose too instead of having 20 you can switch too whenever you want.
Camiie
03-16-2012, 07:27 AM
WoW dose get to change race, but they's because every expansion they add has 1-4 new races in it. That has nothing to do with a game that more finite in this aspect. This is a game were you're stuck with the job you chose too instead of having 20 you can switch too whenever you want.
Burning Crusade added 2 races. Lich King added 0. Cataclysm added 2. Pandaria will add 1. Not all races can be all classes so even if they do add a new race there's no guarantee that you'll even be able to change to the new race. They didn't add race change because of new races. They added it for the same reason SE should. It was a service their customers wanted and something felt they could make money on.
Atomic_Skull
03-16-2012, 09:46 AM
With that line of thinking the transsexual "argument" you made becomes even more irrelevant (if that's even possible).
I'm simply stating why SE won't allow it, not agreeing with it (why do people assume that when you state why something will or won't happen it means you agree with it?). Remember that in Japan sex change operations are actually illegal. If they said they would not allow same sex marriages because they wanted to avoid controversy, they certainly aren't going to allow sex changes either. I suppose they could just block off Galka and Mithra to female or Male characters of other races though.
This for example:
are you all really okay with gender? For example, if your friend changes his gender, that may be quite shocking.
Not a big deal to us, but apparently it is a big deal to Japanese people to the point that they are worried about freaking people out by changing the gender of some pixels.
Rosina
03-16-2012, 02:03 PM
I do it out of ADD. Getting the right name/race/look is hard for me. Sometimes it was due to unintentionally causing drama and wanted a fresh start. But really, other games have this feather and some I stated are STRICK on being in character, they just added lore to back it up. WoW rewritten their lore over several times and do have rponly (lol) servers. ffxi is very restrictive in their character designs and sorta wish they gave you more options. I also switched because my character selection was too popular. mithra face 6 is too over used.
there is no good agument against this option, just a bunch of ppl qqing over change.... who should talk... leech much? oh wait...
Rosina
03-16-2012, 02:16 PM
to add. the whole "japanese anti sex change" is flawed..... watch anime >.>;;; tokyo godfathers has a drag queen who was openly gay. infact they have a whole scene in a drag queen bar. Plus was watching joe dirt yesterday and a line spade tells kicking wing "it is not what ypu like, it is the like of the consumer"
it is not hard to put these in video games. Its really all code. Making a game from the ground up is harder. But honestly, redoing quests and stpries all cuz ur bored of a look is pretty dumb. More so now a days where ppl make excuses not to help. And you can't solo everything. "oh i did x for x years helping ppl i'm tired of it." I had an LS mate bluntly say 2-3 dragon was beneath him, because getting there sucks. Talk like that drives ppl from mmo. Shouldn't say that stuff.
FrankReynolds
03-16-2012, 02:59 PM
I don't think Yoshi (or who ever that quote was from) was worried about people being offended by the shock of a character changing from male to female. I'm pretty sure he was commenting on how strange it would be to find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.
SpankWustler
03-16-2012, 04:54 PM
find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/147/107/WeidestBonerGoofy.JPG
Rosina
03-16-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't think Yoshi (or who ever that quote was from) was worried about people being offended by the shock of a character changing from male to female. I'm pretty sure he was commenting on how strange it would be to find out that super cool LS leader or cool guy friend of yours actually wants to be a chick.
It was yoshida, it was more of a joke comment based in role play. I remember when he wrote that. It was more of a joke based from the english translater then yoshida. Sometimes the translaters slip a lil of themselves into his letters to the customers. Anything, it was more based on role play. Since in mmo we communicate through our characters/avatars/toons, it might be strange to get to know one avatar they change race/gender and your roegadyn buddy now a female miqo'te. But incidently come ps3 release they revamping their customization adding is the "missing" genders. And chances are will allow recustomization options.
Dragoy
03-16-2012, 11:50 PM
Not to go more off-topic, more, I don't think I would even compare this to Anime.
Because you know, everything and anything goes there... a lot more than just 'drag' and 'gay' and whatnot. ^^;
Moreover the posts were more about actual sex-changes, I think, not about dressing up as the opposite sex which by the way is what probably most of FFXI players already do hahaha! Yes.
No! I am not comparing 'drag' to having a mithra or other female character while you're male, so keep yer pants on... or what ever.
Phew, that was a close one.
Let's never go there again!
This all got me into thinking of how America has been the one to censor video-games especially from Japan (latest that comes in mind is 'Tera', or whatever it was/is?), and have been censoring them from ever since Famicom/NES times, or even before that.
This game is already world-wide (more or less) by default, so I don't think they're thinking just Japan when they do these decisions. Or maybe they do. This all might very well be irrelevant and in the end, I don't see much of an argument against this here, in this thread. No, they're not against it per se, they're more like thoughts on why they probably wouldn't do it.
So anime, censoring, cultural differences, other games and everything left aside, thinking of some of the reasons why they might not do it.
Just because other games do it, doesn't mean FFXI does.
They might not do it just because they don't want to.
It wouldn't make sense.
It would be too much work to adjust quests and other content.
Finding balance between the tails of galka and mithra would be too difficult at this time.
PS2-limitations. /grin
And why they might do it.
New source of income from the fees attached.
It would make some players happy.
Because they can.
Did I miss anything?
To make it clear, I am not against this.
However I would not benefit from it either (one might argue that more funds for the game would benefit me but for the time being, I have hard time believing in anything like that). I would really not care either way. If you want a sex-, or race-change, knock yourself out, literally. No, don't do that... I mean goferit ! !! !
I just don't see it happening, though.
Everything is possible, of course. There is a game that introduced name and sex change services rather late and I have to admit, it did spoil some of the 'mood' or 'feel' of the game in my opinion. Then again, the community itself changed a lot around that time as well so in the end, it didn't even matter any longer.
Also there are only 4 'jobs' which you can never change... not that it makes any difference; just sayin'.
Comparing the game to other games in this sense just does not work, I think. As I have mentioned, it's a lot more probable to see them make it so that you are able to change the hairdo, and perhaps face even, by completing some sort of a quest for Brygid for example, but really, a change of race? I just can't see it.
But only time will tell.
Are you there to listen?
Just thinking 'out-loud', and nothing here is directed towards any one person, really! ^^
Now I have a fish to catch.
Blubb.
Atomic_Skull
03-17-2012, 03:29 PM
to add. the whole "japanese anti sex change" is flawed..... watch anime >.>;;; tokyo godfathers has a drag queen who was openly gay. infact they have a whole scene in a drag queen bar
Yes, cross dressing is fairly well accepted, sex changes are not. That's why Poison (Final Fight, Street Fighter III, Steet Fighter X Tekken) is a "newhalf" (a man who takes female hormones and dresses and lives as a woman) in Japan and a transsexual in the west. Some even block their puberty and start on female hormones in their early teens so that they develop female secondary sex characteristics and skeletal development. But most would never even consider an operation to whack off their parts.
Or as Moviebob might put it:
JAPAN.. IS.. WEEEEIIIIRRRRRD!
Rosina
03-17-2012, 05:07 PM
i was more talking about a cetrtain type of "anime". With certain say.... potions that change certain things about people. Hard to really explain with out being censored. But people rarely mix business with beliefs due to the nature of each country being different. Only when dealing with a country like china who is communist, then it gets changed so the game is able to be sold there.
But in reality making character customization have ties with sex changing is a bad anology, or reason not to do it, or assume they can't. Since its a video game and not reality, and changing your race don't mean changing your gender unless you choose to. But as someone pointed out your character is not you. Just a tool used to have an ID with in the realm of the game to communicate with.
What i find hilarious, is so many are against this a basic freedom. Which does not effect anyone but the person who does it. Yet.... stuff like leeching which actually does effect others is actually fought over tooth and nail to be allowed.
Atomic_Skull
03-20-2012, 05:37 AM
changing your race don't mean changing your gender
This is not actually true for mithra and galka.
Tsukino_Kaji
03-22-2012, 05:05 AM
This is not actually true for mithra and galka.Keeping in mind that for galka, this would mean GAINING a gender. >.>
Alerith
03-22-2012, 06:33 AM
The amount of stupidity on both sides of this argument is mind boggling...
Yambo99
03-27-2012, 11:23 PM
for the 90th time cant be done\wont be done. you might get a sex\face change
Your stupid if you think you cannot do it. All it takes is them to change what Dat is linked with your account. it's more the case as they don't want to. Get it right prz!
FrankReynolds
03-28-2012, 05:11 AM
I just created a Galka named Janet. I hope the sex change porice don't come get me.