Non-existent pvp content, needs the be addressed asap

[emanuelle]

I wonder what will they do with the pvp department on this game, is almost non-existent, ballista is no real pvp, very dead content that not even people from my server almost/ never participate anymore(used to be the best ballista server) .

They should do pvp scenarios or pve(like many other mmos), pvp is dead on ffxi because ballista is a fixed "event"and because they did not bothered updating or improving pvp content on this game,you can't really pvp unless a ballista slot is reserved,(brenner /Diorama Abdhaljs-Ghelsba) most of those reserved ballista slots ends up being empty/making other people to wait another hour to reserve to pvp), also need to wait 1 real day or several hours for (cap 30, 40,60,uncaped ballista) event,that's so dull and antique/poorly executed,

So ffxi doesn't really have pvp mode, it's just a very limited fixed game "event" that have been forgotten/ignored, there is a huge ffxi pvp community on the game that is disabled atm because the almost non/existent pvp content on this game, pvp modes plays a huge important roles on mmorpgs, they will never catch up with other future mmorpgs if they keep doing these weird stuff, I hope this get read by the development team, sorry for my bad grammar.

My ideas:
1. add a "duel" button on the main menu to fight 1 person outside towns with a count down to start the battle , if one of the hostile players runs very far away , duel mode gets cancelled.

2. add a hostile button mode, you will be aggressive to any other players that are flagged as hostile mode as well (this is only outside towns)

3.pvp or pve scenarios, for example retrieve an item for a longer period of time to win, the person attacked/dead with that item will lose the item and will be took by the other team or gets dropped down to the floor to be obtained

[Tsukino_Kaji]

1. Go play WoW.
2. Better yet, go play RIFT. At least it's not designed for a 4 year old.
3. How do you have a post today, but not show up with anything that would from being registered?

[Natenn]

1. Go play WoW.
2. Better yet, go play RIFT. At least it's not designed for a 4 year old.
3. How do you have a post today, but not show up with anything that would from being registered?

you have no right to tell anyone what to go do, stop being mad and telling everyone who wants pvp-type content to go play another game. You don't speak for everyone.

[Kriegsgott]

you have no right to tell anyone what to go do, stop being mad and telling everyone who wants pvp-type content to go play another game. You don't speak for everyone.

thats right /nod
i guess this is really one of the oldest stuff in FFXI which didn got the attention from the DEV team and it is really time to get a major FIX for Ballista so people can enjoy it

[cidbahamut]

PvP is right up there with Chocobo Racing and Evoliths on the list of things I personally don't care about.

The combat engine isn't exactly tailored for PvP and as far as I am aware there isn't any demand for PvP content aside from a select few vocal individuals scattered across multiple servers.

I would be disappointed to see the devs devote resources to PvP content when such a large portion of the rest of the game is still in such disarray.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

you have no right to tell anyone what to go do, stop being mad and telling everyone who wants pvp-type content to go play another game. You don't speak for everyone.Where in any of my post did I ever stay that I was speaking for anyone. I am simply being realistic, you are lying to yourself otherwise. Balliasta was nothing more then a sad attempt by SE to try and compete with WoW, it's only and only compettitor. At it's height, it was nothing more then a passing fad and after which, it was dropped like the dead weight that it is.

Besided, none of this adresses the larger concern of how the OP was able to post anything without being registered. It is perplexing.

[Vold]

I wish they would implement a duel option for one month. Don't bother doing anything else. Just add the option. One month later people will be begging to get rid of it because everything is horribly unbalanced because FFXI is not geared towards PVP.

[Natenn]

Its a simple fix really. just do away with the gear swap penaltys and more endgame ppl will do it.

[Eri]

Its a simple fix really. just do away with the gear swap penaltys and more endgame ppl will do it.
This! Along with adding an Assault like Point System.

And im personally against PvP. As thu beating up a silly NIN has its funny point in Brenner if i do 1 vs. 1 once a Year....

You see how mutch i care. That being said. If someone really cares... Good for you! But you will have to find another Game.

[Brolic]

Its a simple fix really. just do away with the gear swap penaltys and more endgame ppl will do it.

no they wont, not without some sort of reward. the last time i did Balliasta was 4 years ago when we had a bored on a Sunday night, wanna do something moment. doesn't exist in today's game, it's bored? wanna go farm dynamis for some gil, wanna do some voidwatch for bodies, wanna go farm seals, wanna go pop 20 carabose. There's shit to do now, unless there's so gear\gil reward it'll never be popular

[Alderin]

What Brolic said. No one will do it as there is absolutely no "character progression" out of it. So you go kill your buddy for 2 hours while someone else farms 2 NM pops for a weapon they are building? I would rather build the weapon.

Go do Brennar if you want to PvP. It still exists. FFXI was never designed as a PvP.

As for gear swap penalties - I believe that was put in place because people were able to "blink" causing the opponent's "target" to be lost. Similar to when Bloodeye Vileberry teleports around and throat stabs people - Target is lost and you either get disengaged or locked on an empty target.

If they had a way to fix that - they wouldn't have bothered implementing <stal> / <stpt> macro's because of everyone complaining about gear swappers and losing their target.

[Natenn]

They need to revive it or delete all of its data, wasted space atm.

[orionpk]

Where in any of my post did I ever stay that I was speaking for anyone. I am simply being realistic, you are lying to yourself otherwise. Balliasta was nothing more then a sad attempt by SE to try and compete with WoW, it's only and only compettitor. At it's height, it was nothing more then a passing fad and after which, it was dropped like the dead weight that it is.

Besided, none of this adresses the larger concern of how the OP was able to post anything without being registered. It is perplexing.
If you don't like pvp content on ffxi just don't participate on pvp stuff, THAT SIMPLE, stop QQing, the reason of why ballista/pvp is dead on this game is because ppl is tired of this crappy pvp system that SE did not even bothered to keep updating, but i'm very sure that it will be revived and a lot of people will participate if they do, almost everyone loves to pvp on games,

I don't think you are qualified to post on this thread, you obviously don't know anything about ballista on this game, you can't pvp at brenner, is almost impossible, need to wait several hours to do that because is always haves a reserved slot/, all games have pvp content, ffxi doesn't really have one, there is a huge community of people that like to battle other players and se doesn't even bother to fix this old content anymore, stuff like this is know why people quit this game long ago, because no pvp content, OP not being registered is not relevant, and nobody cares but you, stop it

[Tsukino_Kaji]

stop QQingYou would sound more relevant if you did not talk like an internet bred tool. What I stated is a valid, and frankly in your face point you are choosing to ignore. You are stooping to a quibble to self validate your own point while putting down another simply because you disagree with the truth.

[Natenn]

What you stated is you don't like pvp, so don't do it? Why do you care what other ppl wanna do?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I am defending the game as it stands. It was not designed for PvP, it was designed to be coop. PvP in the very antithesis of what the game stands for and any attempt to add it is just a waste of dev time in a sad attempt to try and attract players from WoW. You can bitch all you want about WoW not inventing PvP, this has nothing to do with that. I say WoW because it is teh only compettion to this game. But you have to face the fact this this is not WoW and PvP has not real place here.
Besides, "I want just because" is horribly one sided, people have the right to voice the opposition.

[saevel]

What you stated is you don't like pvp, so don't do it? Why do you care what other ppl wanna do?

PvP is simply not possible right now. Unless you want RDMs BLUs and PLDs pwning every single fight. Then you'd just complain about those three jobs being "overpowered" in PVP. SE would have to radically re-balance the entire game to allow for PvP.

[Natenn]

Well i have pld so i dont see the problem :)

[saevel]

Well i have pld so i dont see the problem :)

And thus illustrates my point. Your wanting PvP to get off on feeling superior to other players. Go play a different MMO if you want that.

[Natenn]

And thus illustrates my point. Your wanting PvP to get off on feeling superior to other players. Go play a different MMO if you want that.

I don't have to do what you tell me to do, if ppl want pvp in XI we have every right to ask for it. You are just afraid of change, change away from the easy mode the games been at for awhile.

[saevel]

I don't have to do what you tell me to do, if ppl want pvp in XI we have every right to ask for it. You are just afraid of change, change away from the easy mode the games been at for awhile.

And how exactly would a "PvP" system change anything again <.<

As I said, the game's simply not balance for player on player combat. It favors a small set of jobs, of which your one of, over all the rest.

[Ruebyy]

lookit what i got here.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/17660-Where-to-from-here

[Zarchery]

Hasn't Brenner, a fully instanced form of PVP, been around since 2005 or 2006?

"Implement PVP" is right up there with "Create an auction-like system where people can buy and sell products" on the list of stupid suggestions.

[Zaknafein]

The reason PvP in this game was a failure was how annoyingly difficult it is to "actually PvP" ..newsflash. Between how far out most of it was placed, or the level caps, and the excessive wait times it's a wonder it was ever used at all.

Do away with the existing virtually never used forms of it, and revamp PvP in a centralized hub. WG for example. No level caps, and have two arenas. One open battlefield royal rumble style that begins every hour, and lasts for 50 minutes. Accompanied by 3 instanced BC type battlefields for 1 vs 1, 3 vs 3, and 6 vs 6 matches. Both of these events could function on a queue system. The Royal Rumble area being first come 1st serve, and the smaller matches reserved by parties through points obtained from the free for all event or gil.

The rewards could be a variety of desirable items that would not upset gameplay. For example: Town gear sets obtainable only thru redeeming PvP credits. Furnishings, and costumes. There are many choices for rewards if you think about it creatively.

This game has lost a great deal of it's social aspect over the past year. At the same time it lost virtually every competitive outlet also. That has clearly had a negative effect. Revamping PvP if done correctly would go a long way in repairing those lost elements. This would give people a place to socialize (Have /yell function in the new area). A place to compete in a healthy manner. More importantly than those two however would be getting a break from the Grinddddddd....

The game has become tedious, and from all accounts we see more tedium on the horizon. Please give us an activity where we can go just to have fun. Unwind. Beat each others asses. Honestly it's a win/win for the players, and developer's seeing as this same content could be reused over, and over while never feeling the same.

[Kennx]

Balliasta 2.0: People who participate in Balliasta will skill up combat and Magical skills at a higher rate during the battle. ~

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Balliasta 2.0: People who participate in Balliasta will skill up combat and Magical skills at a higher rate during the battle. ~And suddenly all of the FC shouts are replaced with rent-a-pld.

[Zarchery]

You want to PVP? Simple.

1) Find someone to PVP with.
2) Reserve the Diorama for Brenner.
3) PVP.

DON'T ASK SE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

[Zintonik]

You want to PVP? Simple.

1) Find someone to PVP with.
2) Reserve the Diorama for Brenner.
3) PVP.



DON'T ASK SE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
looks like you don't read, it's not that simple like you state on your post, if it was that simple ppl would not complain about pvp being so restricted ,

this game needs pvp mode, everything on this game is about to get items only, need more fun

[Catsby]

I agree. PvP, like nearly half the systems in this game, is woefully under developed. But that seems to be a trend you experience frequently in FFXI.

1) Dev announces a new system
2) New system is introduced in a content update.
3) Players go through the new system for about 2 months.
4) Players stop giving a shit about the new system because it's tedious or fundamentally broken.
5) New system is never rebuilt or expanded upon. Usually copy pasted and given a new coat of paint for a content update a year later.

This has been changing a bit lately with the dynamis update and now salvage. It just sucks that it comes literally YEARS later than it needs to.

[Zaknafein]

You want to PVP? Simple.

1) Find someone to PVP with.
2) Reserve the Diorama for Brenner.
3) PVP.

DON'T ASK SE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

Your bst gear is horrendous. What's the ride like on that bandwagon?

[Sayomi]

I don't get why people get so offended by suggestions of PvP...its like they have repressed memories of it....oh answered my own question there. In all seriousness, its heart poundingly fun at times, well only in official matches for me, like taking two opponents on at the same time (giggity) and coming out of it with 10hp only to get K.O by a random jug pet, thats fun! I mean I rather expand my horizon a little more then killing a computerized crab 90 billion times and an occasional worm 5 billion times. Then again thats just my opinion so who cares!

[Ravenmore]

The retyards can't even balance PvE content and you want them to try and do it with PvP?

[saevel]

I don't get why people get so offended by suggestions of PvP...its like they have repressed memories of it....oh answered my own question there. In all seriousness, its heart poundingly fun at times, well only in official matches for me, like taking two opponents on at the same time (giggity) and coming out of it with 10hp only to get K.O by a random jug pet, thats fun! I mean I rather expand my horizon a little more then killing a computerized crab 90 billion times and an occasional worm 5 billion times. Then again thats just my opinion so who cares!

This game isn't designed for it period. Any and all "fun" would be removed the moment they made it worthwhile. Currently there is absolutely nothing you can do to beat a RDM / PLD / BLU unless you happen to be one of those jobs, and even then the RDM/BLM has such a large advantage you'd be hoping the RDM was incompetent to win.

How would you feel if you could never get your shiny gear because every match you get beat by a RDM / PLD / BLU using cheap tactics. Weeks after weeks, months after months of trying and you can't get it because other players refuse to "fight fare".

[Teraniku]

This game isn't designed for it period. Any and all "fun" would be removed the moment they made it worthwhile. Currently there is absolutely nothing you can do to beat a RDM / PLD / BLU unless you happen to be one of those jobs, and even then the RDM/BLM has such a large advantage you'd be hoping the RDM was incompetent to win.

How would you feel if you could never get your shiny gear because every match you get beat by a RDM / PLD / BLU using cheap tactics. Weeks after weeks, months after months of trying and you can't get it because other players refuse to "fight fare".

See the problem with PvP in this game is that nobody does it, I tried doing Ballista and signing up for it a few times, but the system had to cancel due to lack of participants. If they could implement the Colosseum in Whitegate as a testing ground for PvP handle it like the bar in upper jeuno where they look for specific jobs to 1 v 1 against, and gather data on that, they could probably implement a semi decent system, but like other posters have said before me, no one will do it if there's no reward for doing so.

[saevel]

See the problem with PvP in this game is that nobody does it, I tried doing Ballista and signing up for it a few times, but the system had to cancel due to lack of participants. If they could implement the Colosseum in Whitegate as a testing ground for PvP handle it like the bar in upper jeuno where they look for specific jobs to 1 v 1 against, and gather data on that, they could probably implement a semi decent system, but like other posters have said before me, no one will do it if there's no reward for doing so.


Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.

You run in thinking you can use your PLD (one of the broken PvP jobs) to beat out the MNK, THF, RNG, PUP and others. You get a few wins in, after all none of those jobs can hold a candle to a semi competent PLD. Then you go and now your vs a RDM/BLM who then proceeds to solo DoT / kite your to death over the course of 10~20 min. Next day you go and and there is another RDM/BLM who does the same thing to you. Suddenly everyone is coming on RDM/BLM and soloing everyone who isn't a RDM/BLM. The only recourse would be a BLU, who just runs up to you, stun locks you and rips apart your HP with you being able to do absolutely nothing.

Much rage and crying ensues, yells and screams about how unfair the new system is. People yelled and cried about "unfair" in every single event SE has ever created.

SE can't "balance" that system without utterly nerfing RDM, a job that's already so badly nerfed it's nearly useless in PvE content.

So now you want SE to nerf a job that's already nearly useless, just so you can get your rocks off and feel superior beating on other players.

Your only asking for PVP because like many others, your a PLD and are at the top of the food chain for PVP ability.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.Except there's not point in implementing something to playcate 2 people.

[Cream_Soda]

Balliasta 2.0: People who participate in Balliasta will skill up combat and Magical skills at a higher rate during the battle. ~
That'd be terrible.

Then you'd have a bunch of gimps only there to skill up, rather than actually compete and care about their team/winning

[saevel]

Except there's not point in implementing something to playcate 2 people.

*Cough*
Begging the question.

I know, it's cheesy, and while I know SE won't be doing this anytime soon, had to demonstrate why PvP wouldn't work on this game. Not without a major rewrite of the jobs anyhow.

[Zaknafein]

That'd be terrible.

Then you'd have a bunch of gimps only there to skill up, rather than actually compete and care about their team/winning

Sure would be fun to annihilate their face in the process tho. I'll trade giving gimps skill ups in return for some entertainment.

[Teraniku]

Think logically through the whole process, start to finish.

They implement it, add shiny gears to it that are worth getting.

You run in thinking you can use your PLD (one of the broken PvP jobs) to beat out the MNK, THF, RNG, PUP and others. You get a few wins in, after all none of those jobs can hold a candle to a semi competent PLD. Then you go and now your vs a RDM/BLM who then proceeds to solo DoT / kite your to death over the course of 10~20 min. Next day you go and and there is another RDM/BLM who does the same thing to you. Suddenly everyone is coming on RDM/BLM and soloing everyone who isn't a RDM/BLM. The only recourse would be a BLU, who just runs up to you, stun locks you and rips apart your HP with you being able to do absolutely nothing.

Much rage and crying ensues, yells and screams about how unfair the new system is. People yelled and cried about "unfair" in every single event SE has ever created.

SE can't "balance" that system without utterly nerfing RDM, a job that's already so badly nerfed it's nearly useless in PvE content.

So now you want SE to nerf a job that's already nearly useless, just so you can get your rocks off and feel superior beating on other players.

Your only asking for PVP because like many others, your a PLD and are at the top of the food chain for PVP ability.

lol far from the truth really. I really don't care about PvP but was just offering a suggestion on how they could balance the system by using the colosseum to compare combat data on job v job PvP, to approach some type of balance. Which you can get close where it's semi fair to some jobs but not others. You can really only achieve PvP balance by designing the game with that in mind from the get go. Still will get Flavor of the moment builds and with merits so easy to get now a days you would see everyone (who PvPs) adjusting merits to be more competitive.