Dynamis

[Walkingshadows]

How about SE do something about the dynamis making it where other players cant claim mobs that have been attacked by a player .......maybe making multiple mobs show in red so other players {jp players do this alot} cant take mobs we have worked hard to proc

[Arcon]

How about SE do something about the dynamis making it where other players cant claim mobs that have been attacked by a player .......maybe making multiple mobs show in red so other players {jp players do this alot} cant take mobs we have worked hard to proc

How about you stop being selfish and take on more than you can handle? If someone enters, they've just used up their daily Dynamis permit, so why shouldn't they be allowed some mobs for themselves, why do you feel entitled to hoard them all?

[Komori]

And because it's hard to proc BST/DNC?

Your probably one of those BSTs that hoard about 4-5 mobs at once and they cry if someone takes while you take 20 minutes to kill.

[Walkingshadows]

really so you proc mobs and dont mind when other players take them from you?

[Walkingshadows]

i can only assume you are both part of the group that benifits from the work of others

[Arcon]

i can only assume you are both part of the group that benifits from the work of others

I can only assume you're so egotistical that you wanna crowd an entire area for yourself and rob others of their Dynamis time. And what's worse, you even get upset when others come to take one mob for themselves.

[Walkingshadows]

i would rather see SE fix the issue

[Arcon]

i would rather see SE fix the issue

There won't be a fix, because it's not an issue. It's by design. It's to prevent exactly what you're trying to get them to enable for you, people hoarding mobs. That's also precisely why it's not against the rules to claim yellow mobs, even if someone else fought it before, otherwise GMs would do something about that, but they don't.

[Walkingshadows]

yeah ima sure you remind me of a liberal, gaining from others efforts.....want to gain currency pull your own mobs and proc your own mobs and stop taking from other peoples hard work!

[Arcon]

yeah ima sure you remind me of a liberal, gaining from others efforts.....want to gain currency pull your own mobs and proc your own mobs and stop taking from other peoples hard work!

People like you are why people think BST are selfish retards. And then you still complain about BST being hated. You really do bring it on yourself.

Here's the thing, in a game with limited content people need to share. If you take ten mobs to proc them all, chances are there's nothing left for other people at that camp. Meaning even if you can't kill them all in the time it takes them to repop, effectively hurting yourself, you still do it, and thereby rob other players of an entire camp. You really don't see a problem with that? If no, I'm done arguing, because then you really don't get why that antisocial behaviour is hurting people around you. Either that, which makes you ignorant, or you know it but you're ok with it, which makes you a selfish hypocrite. Either way, I'm done arguing, go on trying to pull me into a political stereotype. You'll have lots of success there.

[Kriegsgott]

i would rather see SE fix the issue
here is the FIX guide for your problem written & copyright @Kriegsgott

"Claim 1 Monster in Dynamis and none can steal your hard earned work in Dynamis!"

[Komori]

It's not hard to proc a mob anyway, at best it's just an annoyance. But Dynamis doesn't belong to you, one to two monsters is fine to hold. But when it gets to be three to five, your just a greedy whore.

[Aana]

If they implement what you suggest, there would just be a group running around the zone casting sleepga/diaga/anything-ga on everything in sight. There is a very specific reason SE designed the game so that each person can only claim a single target (red) at any given time. Without that limitation, a mage+Proc/killer could literally just steal the ENTIRE camp to himself with sleepga and pic them off at his liesure while everyone stands around with their thumb up their butt.

No. Me. Gusta. This change wont ever happen. It is intentionally designed the way it is for this very reason and its not going anywhere.

The only legitimate issue this has caused was Bsts soloing NMs using multiple pets causing NM to go unclaimed back at 75 when people still did that. (That issue technically still exists, but is so rare, its not worth jepardizing the entire claim system for this very specific and rare occurence).

Sorry you cant fight 5 mobs at once and keep claim. Can always just claim 1-2 and aim at killing them faster and cycling through 1-2 much faster instead of 5 and slower. Then: 1-no one steals your stuff. 2-you dont slow everyone down by holding mobs that could have been dead already and repopping faster for everyone. Just because you CAN kill 5 mobs at once doesnt make it better to. Focus fire down fewer mobs faster and mobs repop faster. Fact.

[FrankReynolds]

Hording is lame. Stealing is lame. Why not just ask for more monsters in dynamis?

[Kluaf]

"Claim 1 Monster in Dynamis and none can steal your hard earned work in Dynamis!"

Like (1 mil)

[Nynja]

How about SE do something about the dynamis making it where other players cant claim mobs that have been attacked by a player .......maybe making multiple mobs show in red so other players {jp players do this alot} cant take mobs we have worked hard to proc

Walkingshadows's
Character Votan
World Phoenix
Main Job BST lv. 95

How about you fight and proc one mob at a time instead of crying about shit going yellow and thus stolen. If you dont want your shit stolen: FUCKING KEEP IT CLAIMED, its not a difficult concept.


Heres a fix, and since you whiny bst's got my thread wiped twice, I'll post it here:
Pets can NOT claim mobs if the master is engaged to something else. This code is already active in the game. If I am engaged to a mob (not even having it claimed to me, just engaged), I turn and /ra a different target, it will never claim, I can /ra it to death and it will stay yellow the entire time, even though the mob I have my weapons drawn towards is not even claimed by me.

[Juilan]

I've encountered this issue soloing on a lot of pet jobs... people kill shotting a monster my pet has for the easy xp... happened a lot on bst pup and smn, i wanted to rip their heads off. Its not completely a dynamis issue but something to do with how pets work... if the pet can kill the last 10% while you're pulling another monster to it or w/e both the pulled and the engaged should be claimed... Although it seems like the people who are arguing against the point have not had someone steal a kill while they were on a pet job...

[Nynja]

Its not completely a dynamis issue but something to do with how pets work... if the pet can kill the last 10% while you're pulling another monster to it or w/e both the pulled and the engaged should be claimed... Although it seems like the people who are arguing against the point have not had someone steal a kill while they were on a pet job...

Yeah, you're right, it IS how pets work: pet shares claim ID with the master, and one claim ID can not be registered to two mobs at once.

BST's are like girls who dress in skanky clothing. I'm probably going to catch some heat for this, but who cares! If girls dont want to catch negative attention, dont dress in clothing where half your ass is exposed and your tits are hanging out. If you dont want to catch negative attention from other players cause you're killing 2x as slow cause you want to kill 2 things at once, dont give others the ability to steal your stuff.

[Winrie]

If the op got his wish granted and someone mob hoarded him he'd bitch about how it's broken even though it was his own idea, you're retarded, and lol nynja I love you

[Brolic]

yeah ima sure you remind me of a liberal, gaining from others efforts.....want to gain currency pull your own mobs and proc your own mobs and stop taking from other peoples hard work!

smarter not harder.

I would camp you, pull every mob that goes yellow and thank you as i reap the benefits of your work

[Ihnako]

I've a great solution - Dynamis is restricted to a) non-Pet-Jobs and b) for party only (at least 3 people). ;p

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I've a great solution - Dynamis is restricted to a) non-Pet-Jobs and b) for party only (at least 3 people). ;p

That's a stupid idea. It's near impossible getting 3 people to do Nyzul Isle floor 100 for a weapon, let alone Dynamis. Enough of this games Easy Content is needlessly restricted to a set amount of people already.

As for the OP: Don't claim multiple mobs. Yellow = Free

Sorry like it or not, their is not limitless enemies especially in the new/old zones in the timeframe, don't be so greedy/selfish.

You can keep two enemies basically claimed by attacking one with a pet and attacking the other yourself, anymore enemies and you deserve to have it stolen. I've seen people BST, DNC and even THF holding 3+ enemies, and if there is none left I'll take one. Tough!

[Brolic]

I've a great solution - Dynamis is restricted to a) non-Pet-Jobs and b) for party only (at least 3 people). ;p

by great you mean stupid?

[Arcon]

I've a great solution - Dynamis is restricted to a) non-Pet-Jobs and b) for party only (at least 3 people). ;p


That's a stupid idea.


by great you mean stupid?

I think he was being sarcastic.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I think he was being sarcastic.

I gathered, but this is SE. Don't want them thinking it's a good idea.

[FrankReynolds]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Ihnako doesn't believe in gear swaps. I think that was a serious response. :/

[Zerich]

yeah ima sure you remind me of a liberal, gaining from others efforts.....want to gain currency pull your own mobs and proc your own mobs and stop taking from other peoples hard work!

/quit everything
/bow

why drag politics into a videogame

/facepalm

[FrankReynolds]

Seriously though..... /delete thread. Make one asking for more mobs in congested zones. Hording / Stealing mobs is a symptom, not a solution.

[setting]

Nynja
View Profile View Forum Posts
Player


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Join Date:Mar 2011
Posts:353Character:Nynja
World:Carbuncle
Main Job:THF lv. 95
Dynamis Proc Rates
I know this is probably going to fall between the cracks and not get noticed...so lets try to get it noticed!!

Right now, Dynamis is all about being either dnc/xxx or xxx/dnc. WS procs and magic procs are so few and far between, that no one cares to use them, cuz its a waste of time. In turn, this leads to massive congestion of JA mobs and all the WS/MA mobs are left alone. Perhaps it would be feasible to raise the proc rate of WS/MA mobs?


and hey, while you're at it, if you feel like it...lower drop rate on EP mobs and up the drop rate on EM/T mobs so people actually bother doing those instead Encourage party mechanics instead of encouraging solo play! (0) Reply

[Lojinxx]

How about SE do something about the dynamis making it where other players cant claim mobs that have been attacked by a player .......maybe making multiple mobs show in red so other players {jp players do this alot} cant take mobs we have worked hard to proc

You used to be able to hold as many mobs as you wanted and they would all stay red. It wasn't until a patch that SE changed this so you can only hold one mob, mainly because of people like you. They've already fixed the problem. The problem was people hoarding mobs. Thank you SE.

Now as far as holding mobs goes, I don't see anything wrong with having two mobs. It's efficient farming to begin on another mob as the other mob is being killed by a pet. That way your pet is ALWAYS attacking something and you're the only one running around with downtime. People who take mobs off of you when you only have 2 mobs are asshats, especially if you've already proc'd on the yellow mob. On the other hand, anything more than 2 mobs is selfish and pointless...plain and simple.

[Eldelphia]

I steer clear of BST in dyna when I can but recently it's impossible. I get that they're great farmers in there and on some levels I don't see the issue. However, I give them allowance for 2 mobs and maybe a 3rd if it linked. If you're sitting on 4-5 AND there are no others up, well I'm going to take them from you. If you're stupid enough to proc them all, then you'll fall foul of people I know who will wait and fell cleave. I don't do that but I know people who do.

RIght now BST is job de Jour in Dynamis. Wait for the new content and the new shinies and then see what happens. Dyna is about to get crazy again in a new way, with people farming for relic +2 items.

[Skylark]

yeah ima sure you remind me of a liberal, gaining from others efforts.....want to gain currency pull your own mobs and proc your own mobs and stop taking from other peoples hard work!

Oh yeah, pull that real life card cause it feels so good.
Seriously, if you are that concerned with losing claim on a certain mobs, why switch targets. Square Enix doesn't need to fix anything(related to claim system), it's "working as intended". If you're going to cry every time you enter Dynamis because "they took er mobs!" probably should just not do Dynamis or only keep at max 2 claimed. People who feel the way you do are the reason that BSTs get a bad name in Dynamis. The reason why I snipe kills at 5% with Hyoton, you can cry all you want but that's your fault that you're hoarding more than you can handle.

[Mikumaru]

I normally dont jump in on these type thread but Walk and i are in the Same LS and he isnt talking Hoarding MObs as a solo BST . he talking about when we go to Dynamis as a group . Going in with 5+ people . pulling 5-8 Mobs (something a group like this can handle easily) staggering them individually (since there is a time limit before stagger changes) then focusing on a single mob . we can Stagger and a kill a group of 8 in less than 5 minutes . with 5 people we Average 300+ coins run(Vs a Solo BST doing 120 +/- 15) . This is a co-operative game still . when we have 6 or more ppl come we hit the DC-T monsters . It's a huge annoyance when any player , BSt or other wise, come and tries to take already Staggered mobs . The GMs i have talked to about this call this a grief tactic , which is illegal by the EUA . Taking monsters not staggered , not so much . You wanna say this hoarding then try being less of a jerk and try takin the mobs before they get staggered . Or find some friends and complete that relic in 1/3rd the time . Not doin a weapon and farmin for gil ? Sorry then , but we're not selling our coins . We're makin Weapons .
I agree that Square should change the Stagger rates . Its so hard to stagger mobs on anything but Job Abilities (how many spells and Weapon Skills Vs how many Job Abilities?) of course this is the obvious choice when farming coins . Personally , i feel this addition to Dynamis is unwarranted and a complete annoyance in and that of it's self . The old Russian Roulette style was far more fun and rewarding . Especially now that it's an open area where groups can interact with one another , poor judgement call Square . If it was Locked like before the change , this stagger addition would be a great call . Now , not so much .

[Brolic]

I normally dont jump in on these type thread but Walk and i are in the Same LS and he isnt talking Hoarding MObs as a solo BST . he talking about when we go to Dynamis as a group . Going in with 5+ people . pulling 5-8 Mobs (something a group like this can handle easily) staggering them individually (since there is a time limit before stagger changes) then focusing on a single mob . we can Stagger and a kill a group of 8 in less than 5 minutes . with 5 people we Average 300+ coins run(Vs a Solo BST doing 120 +/- 15) . This is a co-operative game still . when we have 6 or more ppl come we hit the DC-T monsters . It's a huge annoyance when any player , BSt or other wise, come and tries to take already Staggered mobs . The GMs i have talked to about this call this a grief tactic , which is illegal by the EUA . Taking monsters not staggered , not so much . You wanna say this hoarding then try being less of a jerk and try takin the mobs before they get staggered . Or find some friends and complete that relic in 1/3rd the time . Not doin a weapon and farmin for gil ? Sorry then , but we're not selling our coins . We're makin Weapons .
I agree that Square should change the Stagger rates . Its so hard to stagger mobs on anything but Job Abilities (how many spells and Weapon Skills Vs how many Job Abilities?) of course this is the obvious choice when farming coins . Personally , i feel this addition to Dynamis is unwarranted and a complete annoyance in and that of it's self . The old Russian Roulette style was far more fun and rewarding . Especially now that it's an open area where groups can interact with one another , poor judgement call Square . If it was Locked like before the change , this stagger addition would be a great call . Now , not so much .

suck less

also does this make sense
5:300
1:120

[Mikumaru]

yes it does because doin something with friends , much more fun than playing with yourself . tho i am sure you like that .(pun intended)

[Brolic]

yes it does because doin something with friends , much more fun than playing with yourself . tho i am sure you like that .(pun intended)

i'm still failing to see how 5 people cant keep 5 mobs claimed,

suck less.

[Mikumaru]

lemme go solo and do 120 coins a run , taking 150 runs(days) to get the 18,000 i need to complete a relic vs 300 coins a run which will get that same 18,000 in 60 runs (days) sounds like solid math to me . In the time it takes you to complete 1 weapon by yourself , cuz you have no friends , we'll have 2 done and be pretty close to completing our 3rd . i would say take your own advice and suck less at making friends .

[Mikumaru]

i'm still failing to see how 5 people cant keep 5 mobs claimed,

suck less.
we proc then focus on one . 3/4 people kills one mob faster than soloing it , again you know this had you any friends .

[Brolic]

lemme go solo and do 120 coins a run , taking 150 runs(days) to get the 18,000 i need to complete a relic vs 300 coins a run which will get that same 18,000 in 60 runs (days) sounds like solid math to me . In the time it takes you to complete 1 weapon by yourself , cuz you have no friends , we'll 2 done and be pretty close to completing our 3rd . i would say take your own advice and suck less at making friends .

and yet I've completed more relics with my no friends than you entire group has.

[Mikumaru]

and yet I've completed more relics solo than you entire group has.

whats your point? you can make a relic solo , good job . i play the game and have fun , the whole point of a game . While your crying about this trying to complete yet another Relic all by your lonesome , i am laughing and enjoying hangin out wit mah boyz . I'll take havin fun with my friends and no relic over your uber solo-ness . You rock .

[Brolic]

whats your point? you can make a relic solo , good job . i play the game and fun , the whole point of a game . While your crying about this trying to complete yet another Relic all by your lonesome , i am laughing and enjoying hangin out wit mah boyz . I'll take havin fun with my friends and no relic over your uber solo-ness . You rock .

Who's crying? your boy is the one that made the thread crying

[Nynja]

if you have 5 ppl, you should be doing EM/T mobs regardless...

I want to fucking punch babies in the face when I enter valk, then an entire group of like 8 ppl enter and start farming the EP mobs

[Mikumaru]

if you have 5 ppl, you should be doing EM/T mobs regardless...

I want to fucking punch babies in the face when I enter valk, then an entire group of like 8 ppl enter and start farming the EP mobs
i cant help it that we can kill more EP than DC~ . I also cant help it that Square made a couple areas dumb easy to get all the TEs and others require group to get . You can get all the TE's in Xarc fairly quickly and easily Vs. needing a group or a pet job to do them in Bastok . I think some one in this thread suggested changing drops between the Mobs . If we kill EP or EM mobs , once staggered and TH'd they all pretty much drop the same amount of coins . So why take longer to kill mobs for the same drops ?just so the Solo ppl stop crying ? yea right cause they would so do the same for us instead of taking monsters already staggered right (the original point of this thread) . When we farm and a BST has a small group , guess what we do . we leave him alone to do his thing , even tho he wont return the favor once they are all dead . If people would use a small amount of etiquette or maybe even try reasoning with those who they feel have moved in on your camp , things may go a little more cordially . But no , it better to be just be jerk from the offset , right ?

[Ihnako]

Regardless what your GM said or not - claiming a staggered mob isn't stealing cause you don't have the ability to let it be claimed (and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed)
So in my eyes - if someone "steals" your/my staggered mob - it's your/my fault and you/I don't have to complain about it.

And for those people who didn't understood my previous posting ;p has a clear meaning - google it if you don't know!

[Sappho]

and yet I've completed more relics with my no friends than you entire group has.

It is easy to complete relics when you buy gil, right Brolick?

[Aldersyde]

I normally dont jump in on these type thread but Walk and i are in the Same LS and he isnt talking Hoarding MObs as a solo BST . he talking about when we go to Dynamis as a group . Going in with 5+ people . pulling 5-8 Mobs (something a group like this can handle easily) staggering them individually (since there is a time limit before stagger changes) then focusing on a single mob . we can Stagger and a kill a group of 8 in less than 5 minutes . with 5 people we Average 300+ coins run(Vs a Solo BST doing 120 +/- 15) . This is a co-operative game still . when we have 6 or more ppl come we hit the DC-T monsters . It's a huge annoyance when any player , BSt or other wise, come and tries to take already Staggered mobs . The GMs i have talked to about this call this a grief tactic , which is illegal by the EUA . Taking monsters not staggered , not so much . You wanna say this hoarding then try being less of a jerk and try takin the mobs before they get staggered . Or find some friends and complete that relic in 1/3rd the time . Not doin a weapon and farmin for gil ? Sorry then , but we're not selling our coins . We're makin Weapons .
I agree that Square should change the Stagger rates . Its so hard to stagger mobs on anything but Job Abilities (how many spells and Weapon Skills Vs how many Job Abilities?) of course this is the obvious choice when farming coins . Personally , i feel this addition to Dynamis is unwarranted and a complete annoyance in and that of it's self . The old Russian Roulette style was far more fun and rewarding . Especially now that it's an open area where groups can interact with one another , poor judgement call Square . If it was Locked like before the change , this stagger addition would be a great call . Now , not so much .

Thanks for clarifying the job situation. People saw a bst making the thread and they automatically assumed it was solo bst hogging mobs when everyday I see groups like yours trying to keep claimed every mob in area. People should assume less.

Sorry, If I have no mob to fight and you're trying to hold 5-8 mobs, yes, I am taking a yellow one. My time's as valuable as yours.

[Morier]

If it is yellow, it is not your mob. /thread

[Cementfoot]

It all comes down to respect alot of players nowadays have none i pick and choose different dynamis to do based on if any1 is in there i duo as a bst and a dnc my wife and i pull 1 mob at a time i make a comment stating my time in and area of camp so 1st thing dont say every bst is the same i have yet to cry or whine about a pt coming to camp on top of us and out pull/ horde area cause they can proc and kill faster to where we can not

[Unleashhell]

If you have a mob triggered why not just kill it? That's just plain stupid to leave a triggered mob go yellow. Just have someone kill it. From what you are saying it sounds like you trigger a mob and all 5+ of you move onto the next mob and don't kill the mob you triggered. Also why are you even doing magic or WS trigger mobs if you are farming coins?

[Tiddlypeep]

we proc then focus on one . 3/4 people kills one mob faster than soloing it , again you know this had you any friends .

i'm sorry i have to agree with Brolic, if u cant keep mobs claimed with 5-6 of u then seriously suck less, i do dyna with 4-5 ppl, we pull 4-5 mobs keep them all claimed and walk out with 400+ coins on average, and seeing as ur talking about solid math has it not occurred to u that proc'ing a mob then killing it before moving onto another is actually faster than proc'ing 5 mobs then 5 dd killing 1 mob at a time? 5 dd pull 5 mobs and kill a mob each is much faster than 5 dd pull 5 mobs, proc all then disengage, reengage 1 mob kill > switch mob > kill > switch mob > rinse > repeat

[Sargent]

In response to the OP, and it's been said: The game is designed so one player may only have claim on one mob at any one time. It's designed to prevent hoarding.

And also as was said, and completely more to the point: SE need to either add more mobs to Dynamis or lower the repop times on mobs in Dynamis, especially with the upcoming update. Making it similar to Abyssea repops would be a good start.

[Unleashhell]

There is no need for more mobs... there are 100's of them now... people are just lazy and only want to fight 1 mob family in the CoP zones, or stay in 1 spot in cities. it definitely isn't a matter of getting relic that's for sure, because you should have gotten at least 90% of it by now.

[Nynja]

and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed

no there arent... prove me wrong.


There is no need for more mobs... there are 100's of them now... people are just lazy and only want to fight 1 mob family in the CoP zones, or stay in 1 spot in cities. it definitely isn't a matter of getting relic that's for sure, because you should have gotten at least 90% of it by now.

Half of it is a matter of convenience or sheer inability to fight:
In valk, on bronze time you can either fight Hippos, Sabotenders who do 10k needle (good luck surviving that in any trio environment) or Sheep who are a 2 minute run away. Pick one...


i cant help it that we can kill more EP than DC~

While its not a huge change, there is a higher drop rate on EM/T mobs over EP. a group of 5/6 should be able to decimate the T camps, meaning theres no competition to deal with, so you should wind up with more kills over time, and more currency.

Perhaps its that you cant help sucking?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

In response to the OP, and it's been said: The game is designed so one player may only have claim on one mob at any one time. It's designed to prevent hoarding.

And also as was said, and completely more to the point: SE need to either add more mobs to Dynamis or lower the repop times on mobs in Dynamis, especially with the upcoming update. Making it similar to Abyssea repops would be a good start.

As long as they remove the occasions the mobs don't respawn for 10+ minutes.

[Draylo]

I take any white mobs from BST in Dyna. It's become so congested, you must be crazy to think people will respect your space lol. Learn to keep your mobs claimed or have them taken, you can't expect that courtesy when everyone is competing for the exact same thing in an event like Dynamis. I despise BST now since Dynamis thing (did in the past, but more so now) and anytime I see them taking two mobs at once I smile because I know I'm about to get an easy currency when their pet takes the mob to 20% ish ^0^

[Hikarino]

Everyone seems to have some pretty bad experiences with beastmasters in Dynamis, goodness me! And here beastmasters used to be lauded as some of the best friends you could have in FFXI. Of course, that hails back to the days when beastmasters were helpful, and would often solo things you would otherwise need parties (or alliances) for, mostly because it was just fun as all heck to tear up some tough as nails notorious monster, showing off what back then was quite a lot of hard work to get to 75; a badge of honor. Of course, you usually needed some pretty expensive gear, too, which meant dedication working those goobue in the tree. Or if you go even farther back, the beastmasters that used to help with RMT problems... cough cough charm and leave...

What was my point with that? Mostly that those beastmasters do still exist. We're a bit rare now that you can smnburn to 30 and then abyssea to 9X, then just skill up (not hard). All the idiots before who would camp notorious monsters for hours and then complain because it popped right in front of someone else because "that person stole my notorious monster" (HINT for those of you who still think that's justified: Do you think that person spent the last X hours /sea-ing that zone to see who was there camping the NM they were going to go camp, or just happen to run by? Probably not. They saw an NM, and for whatever reason decided they wanted to kill it. Maybe if you'd asked politely if they needed the drops, you would stand a better chance of getting them; probably not, but I sure as crap would be a lot more receptive to inviting someone who asked me politely if I would let them lot empress hairpin than the one who just came up to me and started spamming me with "DOOD I WAS HERE 1ST, THAT WAS MY NM") now have easy access to one of the easiest solo jobs in the game (easy now, anyway). Spend a couple days building pet evasion axes (or PDT axes, whatever suits your fancy), some of that leeched-cruor on aurore/perle, get some gil for your first set of Yuly jugs, and BAM, you're ready to start lootwhoring dynamis. Makes me wanna cry.

I would, however, like to make a small side note; There are times in dynamis where you aggro. They should be rare, with jigs and whatnot, but if you do aggro something you don't want to fight, you probably have your pet going back and forth between what you do want to kill and what you don't. If I'm ever in that situation, and Dynamis is crowded, and what I aggroed is something people want, I try to let them know that they can take the second mob (I'd prefer they did, actually). This has only happened once for me, since I haven't done dynamis since 90 cap, but I'm not really the type to qualm over someone taking that extra mob. You can call it stealing, I call it giving me a hand; You've helped kill a mob faster than I could've, which helps respawn timers, my pet takes less damage, which helps my pocket, we kill our mob faster, since my pet's not having an ADD attack, which helps respawn timers, etc, etc. This attitude has actually gotten me more friends than enemies so far, and I'd rather have friends than a mandau. Weird, isn't it?

More fully on topic: OP, if you want to have less issues with people in dynamis, try being friendlier. Don't pull mobs faster than you can proc/kill them (yes, you're going to get less currency/hour because you're spending more time between fights, but you'll get more currency because people aren't going out of their way to keep mobs away from you). If someone does steal a mob, be respectful, be the bigger man; Say nothing, just move on to the next mob (and try not to aggro something while killing it); or if someone steals a mob that aggroed you, don't get upset because you were planning on killing it, simply say thank you. Regardless of what they say, they were only trying to help you. Offer to help people with things, even if it goes out of your way (See a couple people struggling with Raum over there? Offer to throw your pet at it so they can get their thf hands). Apologize when you take a mob someone else was about to pull, even if you got there first, even if you couldn't tell they were going to pull it. I promise you, if you do these things, you'll see more people willing to go out of their way to be just as friendly with you. Are you still going to have jerks who don't want you to have any mobs? Yes! There are people who have more fun making your life difficult than making their life easy. Those are the types of people who will pay their monthly subscription fee just to log in and cause you to whine and complain (See if you can find any in this topic =p). Are you going to see less currency per hour? By golly, that's something I can't answer for you. I never was really the competitive "Everything is mine" type of player; you'll have to do that math yourself. What I can promise you, though, is that you'll have a lot fewer problems with people in general, and that can make everything else in FFXI go easier.

Sorry for the long post.

[Afania]

What's this BST job discrimination all about? ;(

[Aldersyde]

What's this BST job discrimination all about? ;(

Probably stems from the fact that BST has become the flavor of the month job for dynamis because it's so easy to walk in and get a good amount of coins with not that much effort. I suppose it just offends some people that SE actually created a situation where BST is actually useful. At the same time, people inevitably start to look down on flavor of the month jobs and combos (SAM and pink mage RDM in the toau melee burn era, whm and mnk combo in Abyssea). They see a bunch of BSTS in dynamis and believe that if only all those damn scrubs weren't there, they could be getting all the coins they were by right entitled to. If it weren't for all those damn BSTS, dynamis wouldn't be so congested! As if people wouldn't have gravitated to the setup that took the lowest number of people and filled the zones with it ad naseum, you know, like Empyrean-building groups in Abyssea.

Basically, like the real world, the discrimination is based on jealousy and a sense of entitlement.

I find it hilarious that even after someone from the OP's linkshell clarifies that it isn't a case of a solo BST holding a ton of mobs, but a small group, the thread still rolls on venting about big bad BSTs. Yup, it's jobs that are inconsiderate douchebags, not the person behind them.

Thread should of stopped at yellow = fair game, no matter what job you're on.

[Unleashhell]

Half of it is a matter of convenience or sheer inability to fight:
In valk, on bronze time you can either fight Hippos, Sabotenders who do 10k needle (good luck surviving that in any trio environment) or Sheep who are a 2 minute run away. Pick one...


So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

[FrankReynolds]

So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

So the plan is to ask everyone in the zone if your camp is open and then go somewhere else if it's not?

[Unleashhell]

So the plan is to ask everyone in the zone if your camp is open and then go somewhere else if it's not?

Why would you have to ask anyone? Just go in and kill mobs >.>

[Jamesy]

i did have a 3 paragraph response to this thread for walkingshadows then i decided no one would read it because of how long it was and i decided to state this.

a GM in the game will state to you a mob when its name is yellow is fair game it doesn't matter who it is attacking and they have this rule and game mechanic to support a fair give/take system aka the balance we hear so much about.

i'm quite honestly surprised walkingshadows because if you understand anything about ffxi its very much about competition and team work together to get what you want just like life and if you cant deal with someone grabbing a mob off of a group your probably holding you are going to have to get over yourself because they are they will and you can't stop it from happening.

[macross]

NO kidding, if you got 5+ go kill the higher lvl stuff lol. they drop up to 5, and no one will steal your stuff. If you don't suck you should kill them just as fast.

But then again, if you got 5+ people and you can't insta kill the ep stuff soon as you proc one...

[Nynja]

So why do that zone? There are other CoP zones you can go to for OBronze. That doesnt hold water.

It was an EXAMPLE...but hey I'll lay out qufim and buburimu too

Buburimu: for Bronze you can either do Bunnies which are easy, Mandies which have dumb aoe nightmare sleep and terror, and efts which are 2 minutes away across the map. Then when Byne time comes around, you're either doing a camp of ~10 crawlers (which me 3boxing can almost clear out on my own) or running 90 seconds over to ravens...or you can do Uragunites, good luck with that even with a full alliance of 18.

Qufim is just a mess...but every time shift, you're going to have to make a 2 minute run to hit next viable camp. I personally do Tigers>Snolls>Rocs + try for WS procs when the 3 rocs are down. But its a loss of currency cause WS procs are so rare. Ideally the best set seems to be Bats>trip bats>Raptors...but thats the most popular set cause it involves easy mobs in "close" proximity so its always full.


Probably stems from the fact that BST has become the flavor of the month job for dynamis because it's so easy to walk in and get a good amount of coins with not that much effort. They see a bunch of BSTS in dynamis and believe that if only all those damn scrubs weren't there, they could be getting all the coins they were by right entitled to. If it weren't for all those damn BSTS, dynamis wouldn't be so congested!
...
I find it hilarious that even after someone from the OP's linkshell clarifies that it isn't a case of a solo BST holding a ton of mobs, but a small group, the thread still rolls on venting about big bad BSTs.

Lets be honest here, when you're in dynamis and someones making an attempt to fight 4 mobs at once, what job are they usually on?

And as its been covered, if a party of 5 cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed, they REALLY deserve to have their mobs jacked. I can competently keep 3 mobs claimed when I'm 3boxing dynamis...5 people NOT multiboxing cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed? Really? suck less bro...

[Brolic]

It is easy to complete relics when you buy gil, right Brolick?
what do my nuts taste like? you're all up on them

[Ihnako]

no there arent... prove me wrong.
Any mage job.

[FrankReynolds]

Why would you have to ask anyone? Just go in and kill mobs >.>


You said to do a different zone. How am I gonna know there's not someone in the camp I want in the other zone as well?


Any mage job.

Lol ok, good luck with that.

[Brolic]

NO kidding, if you got 5+ go kill the higher lvl stuff lol. they drop up to 5, and no one will steal your stuff. If you don't suck you should kill them just as fast.

But then again, if you got 5+ people and you can't insta kill the ep stuff soon as you proc one...
hell with 5 ppl you could go do a city and pull down 1000 coins a night

[Nynja]

Any mage job.

Show me a screenshot of you solo with multiple mobs CLAIMED and I'll suck my own dick.

[FrankReynolds]

Show me a screenshot of you solo with multiple mobs CLAIMED and I'll suck my own dick.

I feel like either of those two things happening is gonna require some serious photo shop. Probably well worth the effort.

[Ihnako]

I never said anything about soloing.

In case you hold more than one mob - everyone is free to take over an unclaimed mob - just to help you. (so you don't die) :cool:

[FrankReynolds]

I never said anything about soloing.

In case you hold more than one mob - everyone is free to take over an unclaimed mob - just to help you. (so you don't die) :cool:

you said :

(and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed)

[Ihnako]

Yes.. hold a mob claimed and fighting several mobs simultanious are different things.
You should switch on your brain before you write.

[FrankReynolds]

Yes.. hold a mob claimed and fighting several mobs simultanious are different things.
You should switch on your brain before you write.

You can't hold mobs claimed like that, hence the entire topic. Pull your head out.

[Ihnako]

You can hold several mobs claimed. But you'r not smart enough - obviously.

[Arcon]

You can hold several mobs claimed. But you'r not smart enough - obviously.

You're obviously smarter than everyone here, so tell us how. Enlighten us.

[Kristal]

If it is yellow, it is not your mob. /thread

There are exceptions: automaton ranged/magic attacks do not claim a mob, only direct melee. If you 'steal' a mob agrod in such a way, you are exploiting a glitch. You can get away with it one or two times, but any more and it's harassment. (This came from a GM. Think I even have it logged somewhere.)

[Ihnako]

You're obviously smarter than everyone here, so tell us how. Enlighten us.
Hmm... no, I won't enlight you. Since it's common knowledge.

[ApocalypseNow]

I didn't have time to read all 8 pages of comments, but an easy fix would be to alow you and your pet to have 1 target each that are "Red" and unclaimable by others. Claiming more then 2 mobs in Dynamis at one time and your just being selfish. I do dynamis a lot, solo on bst, and unless there are less then 10 people in the zone, I don't try to claim more then 2 targets. I never seem to go without having something to swing at. You shouldn't have to have 4-5 mobs stitting there while we all wait for respauns. As it is, I'm not sure someone could take hate from me or my pet unless they weaponskill it cause I actually bothered to get some hate before I take off to get another mob.

[Arcon]

Hmm... no, I won't enlight you. Since it's common knowledge.

Is it? Let me tell you what I thought was common knowledge: a mob will unclaim after a few seconds if you perform an action targeted at another mob. What do you have to say to that?

[Nynja]

Regardless what your GM said or not - claiming a staggered mob isn't stealing cause you don't have the ability to let it be claimed (and there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed)
So in my eyes - if someone "steals" your/my staggered mob - it's your/my fault and you/I don't have to complain about it.


Heres your original post...you directly saying that there are jobs that can hold several mobs claimed.

You're too far to backpedal out of it, because now you've got the attention of more than just myself. How can one person hold several mobs claimed?


I didn't have time to read all 8 pages of comments, but an easy fix would be to alow you and your pet to have 1 target each that are "Red" and unclaimable by others.

Why the hell should bst be allowed to claim two mobs? I'd like to claim two mobs as well, so I can TP on one, and do WS's on another.

[Arcon]

Why the hell should bst be allowed to claim two mobs? I'd like to claim two mobs as well, so I can TP on one, and do WS's on another.

Because BST clearly have it so bad in Dynamis right now that they need something to make up for their uselessness.

[ApocalypseNow]

@Nynja

Walkingshadows asked a question and I simply gave a solution. I don't believe that is the way it should be, and I guess I should mention that next time I post something. I could care less and don't need to claim two mobs at once in dynamis. I'm sure I farm a lot more currency with bst then you ever could, well before the level 99 cap lol. I kinda expect Thf and probably Dnc to be able to out farm Bst. Guess it's a good thing I have both those jobs on 95 already.

@Arcon
Beast are very good at farming. That's the only use I have for mine but bst is good at it. I used it to solo a lot of seals, empy items and currency. That's a lot more usefull then a lot of other jobs.

[Nynja]

@Nynja

Walkingshadows asked a question and I simply gave a solution. I don't believe that is the way it should be, and I guess I should mention that next time I post something. I could care less and don't need to claim two mobs at once in dynamis. I'm sure I farm a lot more currency solo then you ever could on bst, well before the level 99 cap lol. I kinda expect Thf and probably Dnc to be able to out farm Bst. Guess it's a good thing I have both those jobs on 95 already.


you pull in 200 currency a run solo on dnc?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/23/b1d3358d-0ea7-403f-b689-28a931eb9da7.gif

[Arcon]

@Arcon
Beast are very good at farming. That's the only use I have for mine but bst is good at it. I used it to solo a lot of seals, empy items and currency. That's a lot more usefull then a lot of other jobs.

I was being sarcastic.

[ApocalypseNow]

Arcon sorry for the missunderstanding.

Nynja I'm beginning to think you play as RDM main. I changed my post so you could read it more clearly. Basically I'm saying "I play BST better then you do". Do you understand it now? I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say you Aby raised your Bst lol. You must have poor comprehension skills. If you read the post that you quoted the first time about claiming two mobs, you would have understood that I use bst in dynamis. If your replying about the second message you quoted of mine, if you farm 150 currency and get one white proc as Dnc/00, a dnc could out farm a bst. I expect DNC will be able to kill faster at 99 then at 95 alowing them to farm more currency and have a greater chance of procing white. It was speculation, not fact. I feel like I have to explain things to you like your a 2 year old.

[Nynja]

So once again, you pull constantly pull in 150 currency solo on dnc? My definition of solo is...solo, not multiboxing. Same image applies.

[ApocalypseNow]

It wouldn't be 150 if you proc one mob white. It would be 250. If you proc white because of no sub job you get a 100 currency piece 100% of the time but the white proc rate is around 1%. It's going to depend on how many mobs you can proc and kill in 2 hours. And I do like that image lol.

[Nynja]

Thanks for the tip on how dynamis works and white procs...

[ApocalypseNow]

Things would be a lot easier if we could read sarcasm. lol

[Ihnako]

I still don't see why I should tell you something that is
a) common knowledge
b) within the game since release
c) easy to figure out by yourself

But it's obviously Arcon has nothing better to do as asking around that someone pampers his ass.
There is no rule that says that I have to share the knoledge esp. with people who simply want to abuse it.
HINT: (IN BIG LETTERS SO EVEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND) ASK YOUR MAGES or did theses virtual Gobblins hit you so bad that you'r unable for some common sense?

[FrankReynolds]

stuff

ihna has never to my knowledge contributed anything to any conversation ever, and even goes as far as to start some posts with things like "ok, here goes another post just to up my post count".

Best bet is to /block her/him.

[Nynja]

Yes, there are several jobs that can hold several mobs claimed. But since you'r unable to understand the difference between hold claimed and fighting several mobs at once, I'm not in the mood to tell you something that works for over 9 years right now. You'r simply too stupid and I don't teach stupid people how to do it.

Then show me you holding multiple mobs claimed solo...if it can be done.

[Insaniac]

OP sounds like exactly the type of person I would "steal" mobs from. Leaving your pet to slowly kill mobs from 70% while you go proc another mob delays repops and should be rewarded with stolen mobs. If you're sharing a camp with someone you need to focus on killing mobs as fast as possible so they repop as fast as possible.

[idx1]

There is always going to be competition for mobs in populated zones.
If you're going to try to 'outperform' than what your job can claim - you are now putting yourself on the 'competitor' list.
Thus, you'd be making yourself the target for other 'competitors', and vice versa.

A tip to 'hold claim' over a yellow mob is based on emnity and total damage dealt to the mob in question based on my observations.

You can hold only mob at a time per PC character, anything outside of that will shift back to yellow eventually.
If you took 5% of the yellow mob, and someone comes and does, for example, 15% within a very short amount of time (like a ws), then the claim will shift due to the lead of emnity and damage dealt.

With that, if you bring the yellow mob to 20%, and someone starts auto-attacking, they will not be able to claim the mob nearly as quickly.

Though jobs with a strong ws ready, or a BLU :), can easily one shot and take the kill.

Compete, or play it safe with your 100% claim over one mob.

[Arcon]

With that, if you bring the yellow mob to 20%, and someone starts auto-attacking, they will not be able to claim the mob nearly as quickly.

Claim is not the same as enmity. A mob can be attacking a party while still being claimed by another party. Even if a mob is at 20% it can be claimed very quickly, even if it's still attacking you. That way you'll get hit, but you can't hit the mob back, and the other group will get a free and easy kill.

[Ihnako]

Claim is not the same as enmity. A mob can be attacking a party while still being claimed by another party. Even if a mob is at 20% it can be claimed very quickly, even if it's still attacking you. That way you'll get hit, but you can't hit the mob back, and the other group will get a free and easy kill.
That would be an attempted MPK and will be punished by GMs.

[idx1]

Claim is not the same as enmity. A mob can be attacking a party while still being claimed by another party. Even if a mob is at 20% it can be claimed very quickly, even if it's still attacking you. That way you'll get hit, but you can't hit the mob back, and the other group will get a free and easy kill.

The situation I described that had quotes, 'hold claim' on a yellow mob, was more describing a situation where you still had at chance of killing it vs. it turning red and losing all say in the matter.
And for anybody to have a mob attack you at 20%, and it being held by another party, would indicate you were either PLing the whole time, or the party that had claim somehow lost all emnity from an emnity reset or wipe, or..?

[Aldersyde]

Lets be honest here, when you're in dynamis and someones making an attempt to fight 4 mobs at once, what job are they usually on?

And as its been covered, if a party of 5 cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed, they REALLY deserve to have their mobs jacked. I can competently keep 3 mobs claimed when I'm 3boxing dynamis...5 people NOT multiboxing cant manage to keep 5 mobs claimed? Really? suck less bro...

A little late to the response here but I've seen all types of job setups and soloists indulge in the same behavior that you seem totally convinced that bsts are the biggest offenders of. I have seen bsts do it, but I've also seen thfs, dncs, and nins do it as well. I've seen a nin (with whm support) run around the krakens in qufim, trying to agro the lot of them and then get pissy with me because I actually claimed one (seemed that he believed just because he agroed them, he had some kind of ironclad claim to them). I've seen, on a fairly regular basis, 5-6 people from a certain reputable end game ls on siren, do the same thing with ep manticores and hippos in their JA time (really, with 5-6 people,why the hell are you competing with tons of other people when you could do em-ts just as comfortably). I see this type of behavior every day in dynamis and it's not bst exclusive. I've seen your hardcore whining about bsts in the neo-dynamis thread on bg and post "psa"s on the bst forums here, so I'm pretty convinced you're selectively biased to recognize the behavior only when they do it and are incapable of acknowledging when people who are on other jobs do it.

[Arcon]

That would be an attempted MPK and will be punished by GMs.

No and not to my knowledge.