DNC support

[Dawnn]

Clearly there are some dnc out there who feel the lackluster support abilities of dnc


Post in here, give suggestions

Maybe make another merit-ability type of deal that restricts weaponskills but halves waltz recast time/tp cost?

hell even if it was just half recast time it would be something, I'm not much on theorycraft but post some stuff!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Since everyone has everything from dnc that matters while subbed, it's become kind of superfluous. It would be nice to see a haste II and drain III.

[Eri]

Since everyone has everything from dnc that matters while subbed, it's become kind of superfluous. It would be nice to see a haste II and drain III.

2 Things.

#1 Any DD subing Dnc aint a DD and should get kicked from pt first hand.
#1.1 Dnc sub Sambas will Overwrite a Main Dancers Sambas and vice Versa.
The Stronger will not take Priority. So your fault to bring a Sub in the first Place.

#2 Merrited Haste Samba is not subable and the double Effect.

[Deadvinta]

2 Things.

#1 Any DD subing Dnc aint a DD and should get kicked from pt first hand.
#1.1 Dnc sub Sambas will Overwrite a Main Dancers Sambas and vice Versa.
The Stronger will not take Priority. So your fault to bring a Sub in the first Place.

#2 Merrited Haste Samba is not subable and the double Effect.

The first point is false. /dnc sambas do not overwrite main Dancer sambas. They trade off based on who attacked most recently.

Example:

/dnc uses Drain II, x dd goes, x dd goes, main dnc uses haste, x dd goes x dd goes.

First two DDs and the /dnc would get Drain II, main dancer and other two DDs would get Haste.








Tsukino_Kaji: Drain III exists, herp derp.

[Saiken253]

Here's an idea~. Have you ever had a lot of TP left over as a DNC and you run across a dead person and are unable to help them? I think a Raise Waltz would be amazing. maybe make it between 150~200tp to use. Recast i'm not sure though, it already uses that much TP and you need your waltzes for other things as well.

Also, maybe could make another dance category. Tango? Mamba? Cha-cha? Marenge? Each of these could do something interesting.

[Eri]

The first point is false. /dnc sambas do not overwrite main Dancer sambas. They trade off based on who attacked most recently.

Example:

/dnc uses Drain II, x dd goes, x dd goes, main dnc uses haste, x dd goes x dd goes.

First two DDs and the /dnc would get Drain II, main dancer and other two DDs would get Haste.


Tsukino_Kaji: Drain III exists, herp derp.


It does Overwrite. If It didn't noone but the /dnc would get their Samba.
"They trade off based on who attacked most recently." (Defination of Overwriteing on every hit of the /dnc)
Yes you got the right Idea but seriously your exaple states THAT it overwrites.
Mainjob has to take Priority every time unless for the person that cast the other Samba.



Here's an idea~. Have you ever had a lot of TP left over as a DNC and you run across a dead person and are unable to help them? I think a Raise Waltz would be amazing. maybe make it between 150~200tp to use. Recast i'm not sure though, it already uses that much TP and you need your waltzes for other things as well.

Also, maybe could make another dance category. Tango? Mamba? Cha-cha? Marenge? Each of these could do something interesting.

If its not on a single recast timer i would have to wait until my PT isn't fighting. Tp Is probably not the Issue.

Waltzes recast however would be it its not for a new Category.

[Darkzeru]

This maybe asking for much but in terms of merit JA.
Similiar to Fan Dance....but instead of PDT it's MDT.
The trade off is that only one or the other can be up at any time... similiar to Fan Dance where Waltz can be used but sambas can't.


As for the Raise Waltz. It would be a great idea however due to being in the waltz family it's not unlikely that it would just share Waltz timer.

Unless they added a completely new category of dance and put raise in that.

also an idea...

Of course adding a new category for just 4 levels is highly unlikely..... UNLESS for some reason they went further then 99 which not putting much hope into that...

[Deadvinta]

We aren't medics. We don't need a Raise. Bad idea is bad.

We're entertainers, inspiring valor and hope on the battlefield. You can't inspire an unconscious person.

[Eri]

You can't inspire an unconscious person.

Well that reminds me of something...... go away bad thought!

[Dawnn]

You can't inspire an unconscious person.

My biggest boost of inspiration is only usable every 23 seconds...

[Saiken253]

We aren't medics. We don't need a Raise. Bad idea is bad.

We're entertainers, inspiring valor and hope on the battlefield. You can't inspire an unconscious person.

I'd have to say we're magical medics of melodious movements!

My dancing heals the wounds of someone that has exploded? or been grotesquely impaled? or worse? I don't think using the "energy" that we create from our dancing to revitalize an unconscious person :s

But if you wish to not think forward and give a simple little utility i accept your stance.

On anothe rnot, how about make it the only Jig that uses TP? Phoenix Jig okgo! Let the dance of flames commence!

[Deadvinta]

We don't need a raise. We don't need it.

[Byrth]

We don't need a raise. We don't need it.

This has always been my opinion as well.

If we're discussing how to play supporting Dancer properly, I'd say:
* Get your TP gain high enough that you don't have to sit on your TP and waste potential damage.
* If you can't, learn to use Reverse Flourish to replace TP that you just spent. It can be your buffer against running out of TP instead of sitting there like an idiot with 300TP.
* If you have more than enough TP, consider trading off TP gain for additional DPS (don't use OA2-4 Parazonium, etc.)
* Use a good Waltz potency/recast build. Whether you waste time/gil/space on CHR is up to you.
* Melee/Step/Samba the same monster as everyone else (one reason DNC isn't a useful support anymore is that this isn't often feasible)

[Saiken253]

I'm not saying I don't have enough TP gain. I have almost as much as a samurai. just looking for more ways to be helpful, especially in duo situations where our partner died for a reason outside our control and we have no way to raise them and their reraise wore. this has happened to me quite a bit -_-

[Greatguardian]

More than likely, they didn't have RR in the first place. Have them fix that problem first.

[Ophannus]

The thing about a Raise dance would be that it's instant cast, which upsets balance. RDM can instant cast raise cuz they use a 10min ability or their 2hr. SCH can shave it down to 3-4 seconds with strtaegem