thunderstorm and thunder II level adjustment?

[Cabalabob]

is there any plans to adjust the level of thunderstorm and thunder II? seems random that they are the only two left off the elemental line of sch spells when /sch.

not too bothered about thunder II, it's the storm spell that's important but i suppose it's just on the same principle.

main sch will still have the light and dark storm spells over /sch, just seems off that thunder is the only element left off of /sch

[Jamesy]

i feel se's response and the response of most main scholars would be.... be happy with what you got. since we are losing our helices at 99 to /sub

[Cabalabob]

but they're gonna be terrible, shorter duration etc. storm spells actually have a use weather: -perp gear, weather bonus to spells i'd give up helices for thunderstorm any day

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah, can I has it! Who needs unique jobsssssssssssssssssssssssss.

[Einalem]

In theoretical fantasy land::: you know, I wouldn't mind them swapping weather and helices level wise if they do something awesome for weather effects worth getting main SCH for them.

[Cabalabob]

main sch gets stormsurge klimaform enhanced by af3 twilight cape and ele obis


Yeah, can I has it! Who needs unique jobsssssssssssssssssssssssss.

first: lol sch... unique... second: /sch already get the other 5 stormspells how is letting it have the thunder one make sch any less unique?

[Sotek]

Twilight Cape is Scholar unique? Elemental Obis are Scholar unique? Empyrean feet are, but they enhance Klimaform, and to my knowledge only effects the Scholar, no reason to invite a Scholar there. Stormsurge is so lawlsworthy that I feel the need to slap you with a bass.
Better solution: Knock Storm spells up some levels so Sandstorm is a Lv.50 spell. Problem solved, you no longer have to worry about having an incomplete spell line.

How would letting Thunderstorm go make Scholar any less unique? It wouldn't. Is it one of the handful of remaining unique (and useful) spells Scholar has left? Yes, very much so. It doesn't make Scholar unique but it's damn sure one of the remaining few reasons to even invite a Scholar outside you know, a 2Hr spell which will no doubt be rendered worthless when SE gives everyone Embrava level 2Hrs. So no, you can't have it. When having a Storm spell from a Scholar actually has a worthwhile benefit (Stormsurge: +3% weather effect per merit, exactly the same effect as Twilight Cape, technically allowing for triple weather), we can talk about giving the weather buff of the strongest element in the game. But SE seems to either out right ignore suggestions or do the opposite of what I say, so enjoy getting Thunderstorm, Voidstorm and Aurorastorm in February.

[OuShiroHeart]

I do not think they care about where support job magic lines end.
/blm stops with Aeroga II (Aero II Lv75)
/rdm stops with Aero II (Stone II Lv75) and with Protect III/Shell II (Protect II/Shell II Lv75)
/whm stops with Cure IV/Curaga II and also Protect(ra) III/Shell(ra) II (Cure III/Curaga II, Protect(ra) II/Shell(ra) II Lv75)
/drk stops with Water II (Thunder and Absorb-Agi Lv75)
I could continue, but the point is that support job spell lines are a bonus, not a right. There is no reason to adjust Sch spell levels just so that /sch can finish the spell line

[Merton9999]

I agree there's no reason to do this for completeness but it has happened before I think. When Curing Waltz III(?) level was lowered was it not specifically stated that they did it to benefit /DNC?

I have no problem with storm spells being lowered so that /SCH can get all of them, provided that SCH specific storm usage is significantly buffed at the same time. Stormsurge needs a boost to be in line with boost and gain potency, and we need a JA that elevates storms to tier 2, with a timer that allows it to be maintained on 2-3 people. If something similar isn't done I'd honestly prefer Sotek's suggestion of starting storms at level 50. Well, actually Sandstorm at 49. I need my movement speed on RDM and WHM!

[Raksha]

I agree there's no reason to do this for completeness but it has happened before I think. When Curing Waltz III(?) level was lowered was it not specifically stated that they did it to benefit /DNC?


Sekkanoki was lowered to lvl40 also when the lvl80 cap raise went live.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

main sch gets stormsurge klimaform enhanced by af3 twilight cape and ele obis



first: lol sch... unique... second: /sch already get the other 5 stormspells how is letting it have the thunder one make sch any less unique?

By the same logic what is the point of only giving jobs Protect II when the highest tier is V. Come on, get real. Changing the weather is one of the few unique spells they have left now SE have given their triggers away. Personally I don't think any job should get storm spells other than SCH and they should have been blocked or the levels put higher.

The only reason you want it is for SMN's suit and quite frankly that is a lol reason. What's next "Aurorastorm/Voidstorm I can has this"

Jobs /SCH get the bonus of "SOME" storm spells, this is the was it works for ALL jobs. You get some of their abilities, but NOT all of 'em.

[brayen]

Honestly having gotten access to just about everything sch has as a main job already this is funny seeing people not just blatantly asking for more, but doing so on the sch thread, it is almost insulting lol

only way i can even support such a request would be if we got a tier 2 storm spell which granted double weather and(or) a "day"spell to allow us to manipulate day bonus as well. If you are unaware as to why thunderstorm is not lowered, it is most likely to limit other nuker jobs from taking full advantage of one of the last remaining useful spells we have.

[Seiowan]

They're all 2 levels away from each other, thus from a Scholar's perspective the levels which we learn them make perfect sense. Adjusting this symmetry just so that people can use /SCH and steal yet another of our unique traits would be unnecessarily damaging, especially when given to jobs like Black Mage who benefit immensely from elemental obis. That's not to say they don't see a benefit already, considering at level 99 they already have access to Hailstorm, but at least we still get a few tricks up our sleeves, such as Aurorastorm for 10% cure potency.

And no, before you even think it, the measly +7 stat bonus on our Stormsurge is not enough to make us unique because no one really cares about it. It's a nice boost to casting, but largely flies under the radar for everything else because it's often not significant enough to be noticed. I'll stick to casting it for use with Elemental Obi's. That, in my opinion, is where it really shines.

That said, I do support the idea of getting tier 2 storm spells. The ability to gain "Double Weather" bonus would be incredible! Failing that, how about a storm spell which stacks with existing weather effects, rather than replacing them, so that casting with Hailstorm in a snowstorm (1 snow icon) results in the double weather anyway!

Hmm... I feel a suggestions thread coming along.

[OuShiroHeart]

\That said, I do support the idea of getting tier 2 storm spells. The ability to gain "Double Weather" bonus would be incredible! Failing that, how about a storm spell which stacks with existing weather effects, rather than replacing them, so that casting with Hailstorm in a snowstorm (1 snow icon) results in the double weather anyway!

Storms already stack if same weather, they only replace different.

[Fmaxgluttony]

Greed is such a funny thing not only do /SCH posses a big chunk of our unique weather spells they also posses ALL or our helices to come in a sch thread and ask for thunderstorm....you should be contempt with what you already have, taking our helices killed sch even more sure SE is all like "they last longer at 60" who cares sch kinda of basically got shafted out of VW and don't you dare say Modus Veritas that thing barely works. I think SE better stop messing with us and make us at least desirable again 75 cap sch was great SCH needs more unique spells that don't require Tabula Rasa.