Dynamis coins drop mechanics

[MarkovChain]

They can drop 4 coins on nightmare mobs, one is 100% the other 3 are independant.

If p is the probablility for one coin to drop for any slot then you easily get that

proba of 1 coin is : 3*p^2-p^3+1-3*p
proba of 2 coins is : -6*p^2+3*p^3+3*p
proba of 3 coins is : -3*p^3+3*p^2
proba of 4 coins is : p^3
average : 3*p+1

This matches the data with p~=0.64

Data

Em & tough raptors in Qufim
Treasure hunter 6



Nightmare Kraken (Killed 336 times with TH ??)
Dropped 0 items 1 times ( 0.30 %)
Dropped 1 items 13 times ( 3.87 %)
Dropped 2 items 73 times ( 21.73 %)
Dropped 3 items 147 times ( 43.75 %)
Dropped 4 items 102 times ( 30.36 %)

Nightmare Raptor (Killed 429 times with TH ??)
Dropped 0 items 1 times ( 0.23 %)
Dropped 1 items 26 times ( 6.06 %)
Dropped 2 items 99 times ( 23.08 %)
Dropped 3 items 193 times ( 44.99 %)
Dropped 4 items 110 times ( 25.64 %)

Nightmare Snoll (Killed 605 times with TH ??)

Dropped 1 items 27 times ( 4.46 %)
Dropped 2 items 147 times ( 24.30 %)
Dropped 3 items 261 times ( 43.14 %)
Dropped 4 items 162 times ( 26.78 %)




When mixing all 3 mobs you get



1 coin := 0.04817518248
2 coins := 0.2328467153
3 coins := 0.4386861314
4 coins := 0.2729927007
average := 2.921897810


All value match for p ~ 0.64-0.65
Secondly the drop table of each mob matches for this value.

[Ihnako]

Did you realized that this thing is a game and game mechanics would be best discussed at bluegartr or similar sites?
At least I'm not interested in it and what you found out was allready discussed at the above mentioned sites.

[Byrth]

Naw, his analysis is new as far as I know. I've never bothered doing a controlled test where I proc absolutely 100% of the monsters and TH absolutely 100% of them. Also, he's banned from BG.

[FrankReynolds]

Did you realized that this thing is a game and game mechanics would be best discussed at bluegartr or similar sites?
At least I'm not interested in it and what you found out was allready discussed at the above mentioned sites.

Looks like useful data to me. Why are you so mad all the time?

[Retsujo]

Did you realized that this thing is a game and game mechanics would be best discussed at bluegartr or similar sites?
At least I'm not interested in it and what you found out was allready discussed at the above mentioned sites.

Someone must be forcing you to read every thread and comment on them with your opinion or something.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Someone must be forcing you to read every thread and comment on them with your opinion or something.It's me, I need post count competition.

[Karbuncle]

good info I'd say

[Ihnako]

It's me, I need post count competition.
Yes it's a post count competition.
And I'm also a person who says when people are pround to brag of facts/information they had certainly read on different sites and sell those facts/information as their work.
I also write a line in case things are obviously not thought till the end esp. those threads where people selfishly asks for different kinds of service #1 SE won't implement and #2 are game breaking in many ways.

If you don't like what I have to say - just don't read it.

[FrankReynolds]

Yes it's a post count competition.
And I'm also a person who says when people are pround to brag of facts/information they had certainly read on different sites and sell those facts/information as their work.
I also write a line in case things are obviously not thought till the end esp. those threads where people selfishly asks for different kinds of service #1 SE won't implement and #2 are game breaking in many ways.

If you don't like what I have to say - just don't read it.


1) Proof that he plagiarized this, please post links. Otherwise you are a liar.

2) LOL @ you talking down on him for bragging while simultaneously trying to up your post count so that you can brag.

3) You have no right to tell people what they can and can't request / get from SE. Furthermore, you are obnoxious, and inflammatory in almost every post you make. No one care what you think.

4) This is useful and important information regardless of the source. Get over it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'm not realy bragging. 1900 of my posts were from when the servers were down and I was bored as hell. I had to play something.

[MarkovChain]

Did you realized that this thing is a game and game mechanics would be best discussed at bluegartr or similar sites?

BG has the same population as this site plus 90% of the readers that don't play the game. And I don't know more than 3 people that would be interested in such sophisticated result. Alla is dead. FFXIAH forums copy/pastes info from here.




At least I'm not interested in it and what you found out was allready discussed at the above mentioned sites.

I don't care ¿

I read various TH thread recently on mobs droping multiple items, so for anyone interested, I gave an easy way to test TH effect on independant drops. The fact that each mob is worth 3 data makes it interesting.

[Ihnako]

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Category:Dynamis#Dynamis_Proc_system
just to name on source

For further details: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104506-Neo-Dynamis-Changes?p=4602280&viewfull=1#post4602280

[MarkovChain]

There is nothing in that link that I said. You missed "independant" and "tough" mobs. BG wiki gives info on EP mobs with TH2 which probably comes from byrth since that's how he farms. Most people would use at least a THF and some would fight tough mobs...

[FrankReynolds]

Ihnako doesn't believe in gear swaps. We probably already gave him / her more attention than we should have.

[Ihnako]

Ihnako doesn't believe in gear swaps. We probably already gave him / her more attention than we should have.
Yes ;p And I don't support exzessive gear swap esp. for WS. But that's a different story.

And even after spending another hour reading differen pages covering this topic there is no evidence that killing other mobs than the easiest would lead in a better outcome. So the whole calculating from this little database is worth 0,00 of your favoured currency.

[FrankReynolds]

I find it useful. Camps are often crowded. Some people just like a change of scenery. Others just want to know how the mechanics work. Most don't care what you think.

[Ihnako]

wiki.bluegatr.com
wiki.ffxiclopeia.org

Just to mention the most reliable sources (even they outdate from time to time)

[FrankReynolds]

wiki.bluegatr.com
wiki.ffxiclopeia.org

Just to mention the most reliable sources (even they outdate from time to time)

It's pretty comedic that you come in here and troll him for posting usesless info that you don't care about, and then continue to follow the thread, and repost the same info he did. keep it up. This thread is becoming more useful whether you like it or not lol.

[MarkovChain]

Yes ;p And I don't support exzessive gear swap esp. for WS. But that's a different story.

And even after spending another hour reading differen pages covering this topic there is no evidence that killing other mobs than the easiest would lead in a better outcome. So the whole calculating from this little database is worth 0,00 of your favoured currency.

Most likely because you want it to be so.

[Ihnako]

I like the fact how people react when you show them how inferior they are in terms of handeling a conversation.

[FrankReynolds]

I like the fact how people react when you show them how inferior they are in terms of handeling a conversation.

So then we agree that you have nothing worth saying. Lets all thank Mark for posting this stuff and be done then.

[Ihnako]

You miss a point.
Mark doesn't said anything usfull at all.

All he did is to write down noncosnsistent information, put a math formular on top of it so that simple-minded people would believe in it.

Hey I've allways a Four-leaf Mandragora Bud, a Lucky Egg, a Millionaire Desk, a Thief's Knife and a Tarutaru Sash on my character and I get at least 2 coins out of every mob in Dynamis. So the whole math is wrong since it's totaly out of the blue and doesn't concern the real TH, Mog Enhancement, Day of the Week and the coresponding direction of the mob while the Moonphase has a great impact. ;p (<- That's a smilie, just for you stupid people who can't read sarcasm)

[FrankReynolds]

You miss a point.
Mark doesn't said anything usfull at all.

All he did is to write down noncosnsistent information, put a math formular on top of it so that simple-minded people would believe in it.

Hey I've allways a Four-leaf Mandragora Bud, a Lucky Egg, a Millionaire Desk, a Thief's Knife and a Tarutaru Sash on my character and I get at least 2 coins out of every mob in Dynamis. So the whole math is wrong since it's totaly out of the blue and doesn't concern the real TH, Mog Enhancement, Day of the Week and the coresponding direction of the mob while the Moonphase has a great impact. ;p (<- That's a smilie, just for you stupid people who can't read sarcasm)

It's ok to be angry at things you don't understand. Its the cave man in you. Irrational anger is a perfectly natural response for a lower life form.

I'm glad you are here to give me a good chuckle every day. Since you don't know why gear swaps are a good idea, and never have anything useful to say, I will just continue to laugh at every poorly worded, irrationally angry, yet hilarious post that you make. keep up the good work, and thanks for the chuckles.

[Ihnako]

I'm glad that you'r satisfied so simple... but what else is expected from a simpleton.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm glad that you'r satisfied so simple... but what else is expected from a simpleton.

more lolz :P

[Fupafighter]

Does anyone know if currency drops more from decent challenge and even matches in dynamis these days? Seems that dynamis is filling up and JA proc area's are always overcamped and JA/ma are not in my options list, so maybe EM/DC would work better.

[MarkovChain]

Yes they have a much larger drop rate.

[Alderin]

I like the fact how people react when you show them how inferior they are in terms of handeling a conversation.

Just a few things on this note.

*handling
*useful
*formula
*you're
*totally

Just a few I picked out from a skim read. Learn how to spell before you try and act smart.

The OP was simply informing us of useful information, if it means nothing to you - ignore it.

Also, 99% of the FFXI community will laugh at your underwhelming weapon skill damage, slow TP gain, slow spell casting (etc. just to name a few).

That will be all.

[Fupafighter]

Damn your right lol. Duo'ed DC and it went fantastic(except tigers linking like mad) Averaged about 85 per cycle.

[Kristal]

Hey I've allways a Four-leaf Mandragora Bud, a Lucky Egg, a Millionaire Desk, a Thief's Knife and a Tarutaru Sash on my character and I get at least 2 coins out of every mob in Dynamis. So the whole math is wrong since it's totaly out of the blue and doesn't concern the real TH, Mog Enhancement, Day of the Week and the coresponding direction of the mob while the Moonphase has a great impact. ;)

Is that the Tarutaru Sash with Gilfinder augment?

But it would be really nice if SE added a TH moghancement. Even TH1 would help. :cool:

[Dart]

Damn your right lol. Duo'ed DC and it went fantastic(except tigers linking like mad) Averaged about 85 per cycle.

yup its sort of the not so secret secret. My group does around 600 coins a run with 35-50 touches which we also sell.

[Zirael]

They can drop 4 coins on nightmare mobs, one is 100% the other 3 are independant.

If p is the probablility for one coin to drop for any slot then you easily get that

proba of 1 coin is : 3*p^2-p^3+1-3*p
proba of 2 coins is : -6*p^2+3*p^3+3*p
proba of 3 coins is : -3*p^3+3*p^2
proba of 4 coins is : p^3
average : 3*p+1

This matches the data with p~=0.64

Data

Em & tough raptors in Qufim
Treasure hunter 6



When mixing all 3 mobs you get



All value match for p ~ 0.64-0.65
Secondly the drop table of each mob matches for this value.

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/5576/5drope.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/864/5drope.jpg/)
5-coin drops not included? What was your sample size?

[Monchat]

nightmare mobs. well didnt know beastmen could drop 5 there lol. Ive never seen 5 coins on nightmares, but I also saw zero drops on beastmen with procs.

[MarkovChain]

or : read the OP. This sample is on nightmaremobs.

[Byrth]

Actually, some nightmare mobs can also drop up to 5. I'm fairly sure Nightmare Leeches in Dynamis - Tav can drop up to 5 Shells, though I don't have a screenshot of it. I did Dynamis Tav nightly for months.

[MarkovChain]

I've never seen it in qufim, and we farmed 2x99 empy. I did tavnazia a few time and I don't remember much beside the camps being too small anyway. I have seen 5-drops on beastmen in qufim though.

Also the model in the OP doesn't allow 5 drops, nor the data. 24% chance at 4 coins, so there should be some decent chance at 5 coins if it was possible.

[Zirael]

or : read the OP. This sample is on nightmaremobs.
My screenie I quoted is few months old, it was the first time it happened, we were in Dyna-Valk. I didn't bother making new screenies since then, but it's not uncommon for me, but then, I go as real THF. Actually I started off todays Dyna-Tav with 5 coins off leeches (nice coincidence Byrth, haha). I'll take a fresh screenie just for you next time. Should'nt take a month.
Also, what was your sample size?

[MarkovChain]

everything is in the OP.

[Zirael]

My screenie I quoted is few months old, it was the first time it happened, we were in Dyna-Valk. I didn't bother making new screenies since then, but it's not uncommon for me, but then, I go as real THF. Actually I started off todays Dyna-Tav with 5 coins off leeches (nice coincidence Byrth, haha). I'll take a fresh screenie just for you next time. Should'nt take a month.
Also, what was your sample size?

From today's Dyna-Tav:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6586/5drop1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/5drop1.jpg/)

I made screenshots of five occurrences of 5x drop, all from nightmare Cluster, as that's what I was mostly killing today. Might've been more, I wasn't paying attention to log all of the time. All monsters defeated with TH6/TH7.
So does your formula apply only to Dyna-Valk/Quf/Bubu and only to nightmare animals?

[macross]

yup its sort of the not so secret secret. My group does around 600 coins a run with 35-50 touches which we also sell.

Only if there's no solo bst or dnc or ninja or whatever slowly soloing them screwing up the repops.

[Starry]

Ihnako ; says he's got 'FORSERIOUSDEBATINGSKILLS', but can't use the correct contractions or verbiage. Many lulz indeed.

[MarkovChain]

From today's Dyna-Tav:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6586/5drop1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/5drop1.jpg/)

I made screenshots of five occurrences of 5x drop, all from nightmare Cluster, as that's what I was mostly killing today. Might've been more, I wasn't paying attention to log all of the time. All monsters defeated with TH6/TH7.
So does your formula apply only to Dyna-Valk/Quf/Bubu and only to nightmare animals?

The formula could be the same but with 2 coins with 100% droprate ? Idk I said I had not much data on tavnazia, the few times I went I did beastmen to farm duelist chapeaux for mules and farmed AD pops w/o caring about procs. Seeing as normal beastùean alreay can drop x5 it's not too new. However the camps in that zone are so shitty that making money is impossible unless you solo maybe but even then...

[MarkovChain]

Only if there's no solo bst or dnc or ninja or whatever slowly soloing them screwing up the repops.

BST and DNC are way too gimp of a job to solo any DC camp. At 95 me&mdk were basically the only one doing those camps, now we have sometimes CC, but that's only at raptors. They all avoid snolls/tigers/kraken, aka the best camps. The snoll camp is especially great.

[Kiyara]

I can also attest to the x5 coins dropping from nightmare clusters in Tavnazia. This happens very often with proc and TH8. I see this happen about 30% of the time. Done Tavnazia about 10 times or so and only the Nightmare Clusters seem to drop 5 (never seen 5 drop from any other mob in that zone).

[Natenn]

I wouldn't consider info from someone who uses braego helm useful.

[Dart]

i get my best results with my group from dyna valk, we enter just after the jp go to bed and usually have the dc camps to yourselves. funguar > hippo > treants all in a nice little area to run around in. 3 of us usually nets 600+ and 40+ forgotten. Most people don't mess with dc hippos but they're very easy. For this I have to agree with pchan on one thing. Mnk really tears shit up in dynamis. I run around with my thf mule th'ing everything while the mnk auto attacks stuff into oblivion.

[Monchat]

I wouldn't consider info from someone who uses braego helm useful.

can you expand on this. Or are you just pissed off by pchan and write whatever due to uMadness.