What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

[Vizardx]

What Xilk said. If anything it could make us kill slower by swaping the 2nd -PDT and RR for 2 regen atma.
Just imagine a DG/MC/Stronghold pet on a NM in abyssea.

[Glamdring]

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

actually, all the -pdt nerf did is make me hold mobs longer. Because the pet can still take damage, albeit slower, I use either a regen atma or a defensive one, which naturally means 1 less DD atma, meaning longer kills. Since the community demanded the nerf, when they complain I just give them more of the consequences of their request... I sit down (litterally) and watch the show, doing NOTHING to speed the battle, and not inviting anyone outside a few buddies to share in the spoils. Old proverb, "be careful what you wish for..."

TBH, I just got the -pdt set-up recently, before that I had pet pour on the damage instead and used a good reward set-up and a couple temps to make the fights quick so I didn't NEED -pdt. I changed mostly because of all the whining I read on these forums from every job about why they weren't the #1 job in the game. Duh, there isn't one! It's all battle-dependant what works best.

[Glamdring]

What Xilk said. If anything it could make us kill slower by swaping the 2nd -PDT and RR for 2 regen atma.
Just imagine a DG/MC/Stronghold pet on a NM in abyssea.

LOL, done that! Funny to watch, even when the mobs rage it's laughable.

[Zaknafein]

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

So you're saying the multiple threads on this website, and ffxiah where people were crying about 5/5 perle bst's holding mobs indefinitely, then the nerf happens shortly after those threads was just a coincidence. I'm not buying that for a dollar. Was it the only reason they made that move? Of course not, but to say it didn't factor into the decision is silly.

[Visari]

So you're saying the multiple threads on this website, and ffxiah where people were crying about 5/5 perle bst's holding mobs indefinitely, then the nerf happens shortly after those threads was just a coincidence. I'm not buying that for a dollar. Was it the only reason they made that move? Of course not, but to say it didn't factor into the decision is silly.

A 5/5 perle bst wouldnt be holding a mob indefinitely with pet getting hit for 0 physical dmg.

[Zaknafein]

It wasn't meant in a literal sense... holding them for an unreasonable amount of time. Happy now?

[Louispv]

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.

Total bull. With a set up that allows pets to take 0 damage, neither you nor your pet could accumulate enough hate to be tanking in the first place because you've got no/only 1 damage dealing atmas equipped.

And every single enemy has either an instant death move, a hate reset move, a throat stab, casts magic, or simply one shots the pet with a ws when the regen takes it to 51% hp, so it's a moot point anyway. Your pet will still take very impressive amounts of damage and lose hate right quick, or die outright. It was, at best a good tank when the two real tanks you brought are both weakened. And with Mijin Gaikure that rarely happened anyway.

[Xilk]

It wasn't meant in a literal sense... holding them for an unreasonable amount of time. Happy now?

Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....


Total bull. With a set up that allows pets to take 0 damage, neither you nor your pet could accumulate enough hate to be tanking in the first place because you've got no/only 1 damage dealing atmas equipped.

And every single enemy has either an instant death move, a hate reset move, a throat stab, casts magic, or simply one shots the pet with a ws when the regen takes it to 51% hp, so it's a moot point anyway. Your pet will still take very impressive amounts of damage and lose hate right quick, or die outright. It was, at best a good tank when the two real tanks you brought are both weakened. And with Mijin Gaikure that rarely happened anyway.

and you obviously misunderstood my post.

Pre-nerf tanking Ningishzada was very easy. RR + Lion both counted towards DD. Triple attack is nice to have on pet afterall. and when pet was taking 0 damage its really hard for NM to reduce hate on it. Especially when I snarl after every rampage.
Also, pre-nerf, I was not using a regen atma.. that would be silly. It only allowed mobs to do more damage on pet. pet goes down ot 50% hp and stays there indefinitely unless there were a good DoT or spell.

This is kinda moot now anyway, but I had no trouble tanking for a SMALL group or party before the nerf. I kept hate ON the pet. well, until my war friend got Ukko's fury anyway... I couldn't keep hate from that going off..

[Zaknafein]

Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....

Which is exactly what I said. Pre nerf anyone with Ducal & Lion could burn their bst to 90 make two pdt axes (which is shockingly easy) go buy some jugs, and pet food then proceed to whittle away at a variety of NM's. Was that zero pdt? No. However it was plenty to get the job done in most cases.

People started bandwagoning this because instead of having to level <insert solo job here> and skill up/gear a job all they had to do was make that minimum time investment into bst. That is what people were raging about in those threads I spoke of. Then within 2 weeks of those discussions the nerf was handed down. Seems fairly cut, and dry.

Post nerf can you still have excellent pdt on a pet? Absolutely, but you have to at least make some effort to do so. Not just burn a job to 90. Buy jugs, and pet food. Stir in 2 atmas, and wa la you're a god.

[Kya]

>.> Dam would Vote god dam Slime

[Geebee]

vote : Buffalo

[Tsukino_Kaji]

vote : BuffaloThere's still never been a jug of anything that wasn't previously charmable though correct?
We need a squid.

[Fadnog]

I think it would be funny if SE gave us a wyvern jug pet, mob wyverns not DRG wyverns, because then we would get to troll the DRGs.

[Ultimare]

I'd also settle for a Mithra NPC jugpet. =D~~

[Xilk]

I'd also settle for a Mithra NPC jugpet. =D~~

Eh? don't you already have that?

[firelurker456]

Maybe SE should implement a series of Familar based mobs we can choose from at 99.... Like maybe an HNM type mob but smaller... Like a Baby Behemoth... Make it like our NPC where it levels up and we can make it stronger in certain fields, like make it a tank, damage dealer, or just support. It might ruin the whole Jug Pet concept though, but maybe feed the pet jugs to keep him out and grant certain bonuses? I think something like that could work out and it would be interesting if they gave us a WIDE variety of mobs to choose from.
Thoughts?

[Xilk]

Maybe SE should implement a series of Familar based mobs we can choose from at 99.... Like maybe an HNM type mob but smaller... Like a Baby Behemoth... Make it like our NPC where it levels up and we can make it stronger in certain fields, like make it a tank, damage dealer, or just support. It might ruin the whole Jug Pet concept though, but maybe feed the pet jugs to keep him out and grant certain bonuses? I think something like that could work out and it would be interesting if they gave us a WIDE variety of mobs to choose from.
Thoughts?

Sounds like making a bst more like a pup.

Also, they did say there were going to give us a smaller adamantoise.
I don't really tin the call beast ability needs to change so much. i think its a good ability.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/10169-%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8D%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E4%BB%A5%E5%A4%96%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82%E5%9B%BA%E6%9C%89%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%92%EF%BC%81?p=212555#post212555

So does this mean for 99 we'll get an Adamantoise, Apkallu and Hippogryph?

[Bayohne]

Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

Pets that we have been planning all along
Adamantoise
884
*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

Apkallu
885
　
And... based on your feedback!
Hippogryph
886

We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!

[Choerilos]

Thats not a scorpion :( Could do worse though. Hope the penguin has some things to set it apart from the mandy mnk jugs.

[Selzak]

Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

Pets that we have been planning all along
Adamantoise
884
*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

Apkallu
885
　
And... based on your feedback!
Hippogryph
886

We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!

Can we see the poll results for the third jug?

I see a 52 page thread here that voted for Scorpion and a 19 page thread on the JP forum that voted for Hippogryph and I'd like to be assured that this isn't what it looks like.

Edit: Actually, after the vote was announced it's:
7 pages in the JP thread, they favored Hippogryph.
44 pages in this thread, we favored Scorpion

Can we get an explanation for this, or did our votes just not matter?

[Hashmalum]

*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!Thank god for small favors! Any BST who brings along a non-stop screen shaker is getting a free Warp II for his troubles.

[xbobx]

ya hippogryph what a sham. JP chooses as per usually, we are just made to look like we matter.

[Zaknafein]

Wow really? Hippo wasn't even close in the the NA thread.... As much as I preferred Scorp over the other pets including slime I would rather have lost to slime fair, and squarely than for our discussion to be rendered meaningless because it was in the NA section.

I have to be honest here I am extremely disappointed in this decision. I am one of the NA players that always defends the Japanese playerbase when unfounded accusations are made against them. However this situation here is a slap in the face.

I'll be sure not to waste my precious time on this forum if this is how little our opinion matters because it was not written in Japanese.

Also when NA Bst's make a thread about how massively Cloudsplitter sucks, and it goes on for idk how many pages, and been around for months on end w/o even a single reply by a Dev or even a Community rep.. yet the same kind of thread in the Japanese forum received attention weeks ago if not months now...

The issue of this pet vote, and not even bothering to acknowledge the NA Cloudsplitter discussion not only greatly devalues Bst, but really makes it hard to defend this game against criticism leveled at it by other MMO communities.

I've been talking the game up to LS members, friends who are looking to get into a MMO for the 1st time, and most importantly friends who have quit who I would like to see return.

I've expounded upon the recent changes to WoE. Voidwatch as being a really nice break from lolAbyssea easymode garbage, and the game heading back in the direction it belongs in. I have used this very topic of SE asking us to vote on a pet as an example in my pitch to these people of how things in the game are being conducted differently nowadays.

Then this... When a Final Fantasy fan boy like myself gets disenfranchised in this manner that is not a good sign... very disappointed..

[Babekeke]

Were there any votes in the German/French forums?

Definately looks like we were just /tossed aside. Didn't Camate even tell us that it was just between Scorp and Slime?

[Babekeke]

Man, tons of votes up in here!

After looking over each and every one of your posts, it's a super super close call between:

-Ruszor
-Slime

Please vote on one or the other and let's see which pet comes out on top :)

Close contenders are below:
-Hippogryph
-Karkinos
-Hanuman

To answer my own question, yes. That's certainly how it reads to me, unless it's lost in translation...

[Babekeke]

Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

Pets that we have been planning all along
Adamantoise
884
*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

Apkallu
885
　
And... based on the Japanese player's feedback!
Hippogryph
886

We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!

Fixed!!!^^

[Selzak]

If we don't get some kind of explanation for this I hope it blows up and gets as bad as this company deserves for it to be.

If SE only cares about its Japanese market then that's the only market it deserves.

[Anathiel]

Stuff like this really makes me hope that blizzard devs say "loljapanese feedback"

[Selzak]

Stuff like this really makes me hope that blizzard devs say "loljapanese feedback"
Imagine if they did that, but Japanese players accounted for most of their subscriptions.

[Vagrua]

It doesn't make sense when Camate told us it was between Ruszor and Scorpion...then said Scorpion won.


Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)



Why Hippogryph?

[Halycon]

Go go favoritism.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Why Hippogryph?One word. Terror.

[xbobx]

one word, terror will be removed .

[Dmer]

More like, it will only last for 1 sec as in when a BLU casts it.

[Areola]

More thf jug options is good news to me. Even though I voted for scorpion it was mostly so ruszor wouldn't win(wanted the slim most). I'm actually happy about this decision.

Now if only they would add some actual game balance I might even give out some high-fives to the dev's... But i wrote that in English so the dev's wont read it lol. /em Puts away his High-fiveing gloves

[Keinn]

Whatever. Hippogryph is cool too.

We also get to have a pet turtle. Cowabunga

[Koroma]

while it's very lame they didnt pick our winner, i like it more then a scorp, but i was on team ruszor.

[Selzak]

It doesn't make sense when Camate told us it was between Ruszor and Scorpion...then said Scorpion won.





Why Hippogryph?
Instead of tallying the total number of votes (which would be unfair to the Great People of Japan), they must have just conducted the voting separately with a NA and JP winner. Then, after these final two options went through "many discussions" with the dev team, they concluded that lol JP onry.

Also, the version update that will include this new pet will be done in the middle of the night, after the Sun has fallen in the land where it rises first (during the game's peak log in hours).

[Alhanelem]

That's not a Ruszor either. I don't even recall us voting on hippos....

[Selzak]

Edit: Quoting for new page, because this requires an answer.



Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

Pets that we have been planning all along
Adamantoise
884
*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

Apkallu
885
　
And... based on your feedback!
Hippogryph
886

We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!

Can we see the poll results for the third jug?

I see a 52 page thread here that voted for Scorpion and a 19 page thread on the JP forum that voted for Hippogryph and I'd like to be assured that this isn't what it looks like.

Edit: Actually, after the vote was announced it's:
7 pages in the JP thread, they favored Hippogryph.
44 pages in this thread, we favored Scorpion

Can we get an explanation for this, or did our votes just not matter?


Also, please don't begin to blame Camate. The last thing I'd want to see is all of this getting pinned on him for "Mis-translating their intentions" to make us believe that our opinion means shit to them. Camate strikes me as (the ONLY) someone who genuinely tries to get our voice out to the dev team, and is probably even a little frustrated himself at the total disregard that they show us.

If I had to take a guess, I'd bet that they never even intended for us to have a say- but Camate saw the vote and translated it for us here under the assumption that it was open to all players and not just the handful of Great Japanese Warriors that SE actually cares about.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

What's this voting you speak of?

[Zaknafein]

Edit: Quoting for new page, because this requires an answer.




Also, please don't begin to blame Camate. The last thing I'd want to see is all of this getting pinned on him for "Mis-translating their intentions" to make us believe that our opinion means shit to them. Camate strikes me as (the ONLY) someone who genuinely tries to get our voice out to the dev team, and is probably even a little frustrated himself at the total disregard that they show us.

If I had to take a guess, I'd bet that they never even intended for us to have a say- but Camate saw the vote and translated it for us here under the assumption that it was open to all players and not just the handful of Great Japanese Warriors that SE actually cares about.

This^ so much

[Insaniac]

English Forums:
46 Scorpion 2 Hippogriff

Japanese Forums:
0 Scorpion 20 Hippogriff (May be inflated because I counted any post that even mentioned hippos in a positive light.)

Also, the total number of votes on the english forums absolutely crushed the JP forum, suggesting we actually cared more about this topic. Bottom line. Discuss the vote here but start voting on the JP forums using google translate because our votes mean jack shit. Blatant favoritism bordering on racism. GG SE. Makes me wonder why I give money to a company that considers me a second class citizen.

EDIT: If you tally the votes from both forums Hippo came 4th behind Ruszor and Slime as well.

[Insaniac]

Holy crap! Electoral college!

JP Forums = California (55 votes)
English forums = Alaska (3 votes)
EU forums = Convicted felons (0 votes)

[Zaknafein]

I had a feeling Hippo came in 4th place.... They just str8 up discounted Scorp because it wasn't popular in the "preferred" forum.

[Louispv]

Thats not a scorpion :( Could do worse though. Hope the penguin has some things to set it apart from the mandy mnk jugs.
Like sleepga. WTF was with mandies not having dream flower, anyway?

I've been using yuly quite a bit and her damage is rather pathetic. If the hippogryph still has all THF's traits but better damage, I'm happy. Of course that means we still have no aquans...

[Keyln]

one word, terror will be removed .

That's four words. :P

[tyrantsyn]

I haven't leveled bst, never even consider it. Even knowing it's a great job and be worth having it. I've kept up with this thread because I believe the end result would be interesting to see. And if your guys numbers are right, it has been indeed interesting. SE must have thought nobody would bother to check the other country's votes or something. Talk about getting your hand caught in the cookie jar.

[xbobx]

Just wondering, did you guys bother to look at the other forums or are you doing the same thing you are accusing SE of? You say SE discounts the English forum and only looks at JP, but it seems that we completely discounted all the other forums too.

just saying.

[Insaniac]

Just wondering, did you guys bother to look at the other forums or are you doing the same thing you are accusing SE of? You say SE discounts the English forum and only looks at JP, but it seems that we completely discounted all the other forums too.

just saying.



The French and German forums? They didn't even get a voting thread.

EDIT: I was wrong. They do exist. I assumed they didn't get a vote just like they didn't get a vote on the WoE changes. They don't change the results at all though.

[xbobx]

wow, really?

[Shoko]

Well, I didn't want Scorpion pet anyways. However, this survey or w/e was executed extremely poorly and should have posted exact numbers on what people wanted through out ever forum and in all languages.

That being said, Hippogryphs might be an extremely good and versatile pet, if their main job is THF like normal. They'll have a higher evasion trait than Dipper, a high TH trait and Gilfinder, terror, silence, paralyze, 1-3 effect dispel, boost, and typical pet attack.

If you guys are gonna add Hippo, you best not troll us and make it's job BRD instead.

[Insaniac]

Never mind I found them. 4 more votes for Hippogriff on the German forum and Not a single vote cast on the french forums lol.

[Selzak]

I'm actually really happy about the Hippogryph, but the fact that they chose the winner based on segregating everyone into language-groups and just picking the JP one even though it only has 10% of the votes is unacceptable.

When you ask people what they want, you should count all of the votes equally and give them what they want. End of story.

[Insaniac]

Agreed. Hippogryph (just realized I've been spelling that wrong for the last 6 hours) will probably be a solid pet but it doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be the pet we are getting.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Well, I didn't want Scorpion pet anyways. However, this survey or w/e was executed extremely poorly and should have posted exact numbers on what people wanted through out ever forum and in all languages.

That being said, Hippogryphs might be an extremely good and versatile pet, if their main job is THF like normal. They'll have a higher evasion trait than Dipper, a high TH trait and Gilfinder, terror, silence, paralyze, 1-3 effect dispel, boost, and typical pet attack.

If you guys are gonna add Hippo, you best not troll us and make it's job BRD instead.

They couldn't show the results as it would show they took only JP into consideration, though we know this already.

[Karbuncle]

I'm happy with getting another THF Type pet. Hippo's are THF.

That said, the Tiger pet is really powerful, The only thing he's missing is something like Sharp Strike, Which face it, Would have been 3 charges, or we just plain wouldn't have got it. I'm happy with Tiger as our "Strong Attacker".

So long as Hippo isn't nerfed, We can expect some decent combat out of it.

Edit: But yah they clearly didn't listen to all forums.

[Babekeke]

It turns out that they added a poll to the JP version of the game (the same as we had for the platforms used) which accrued 5000 votes for Hippogryph!

I'm joking/speculating, of course.

[Dann]

Maybe we will get some kind of reasoning around monday when they start posting again. Kinda makes me sad either way though, I liked the idea about voteing for stuff like this..

[Babekeke]

Maybe we will get some kind of reasoning around monday when they start posting again. Kinda makes me sad either way though, I liked the idea about voteing for stuff like this..

Maybe that's what the idea was. People like to vote, so let them vote^^
Maybe they'll be so happy at being allowed to vote that they won't notice that their voting was completely ignored.

[Psxpert2011]

Rocs - Treacherous Bill

Ruszors - Terrifying Sue

Gargouilles - Soulstealer Jack

Tauri - Hitman Joe

That's all I could come up with. Even though the mobs aren't charmable, I still thought it would be cool to have them as jug pets. A guy can dream.

*lvl99 epic jug to me would be a Caturae, Behemoth, Hydra, Khimaira or Vampyr.


I think that's some great names for some beast out there waiting to become jugs. I'm also concerned in the wait for extremely useful jugs that will catch me in 'Awe'. Frankly, I'm not a career BST(lv.43) but I'm one day will choose the path of the "Mountain man" and getting more insight of the job.


"Tauri - Hitman Joe" - I love it ^^b


"Caturae, Behemoth, Hydra, Khimaira or Vampyr" are some beast that I'm skeptical about using and primarily because some adventurers could be tempted to abuse these a bit. In similarity to the new summons that were released, I think for epic beast like these to be used, you can make a one-time pack with them, say: A Wyrm or a Behemoth but just like a Blue Mage, I think Beast Masters should be able to tame them through the use of their bst abilities and "Charm the mob down" (if you ever played lolFFXIII, you'll know what I mean).

Another thought that kinda ran through my mind is that being a master Bst, I would guess it should've been possible to call multiple pets for extreme moment at a time. As I recall, a well known TaruTaru bst in the past has the ability to command more than on animal and cause a lot of damage. Wishful think but inspiring, don't you think?

[Limecat]

Wow, that's kinda bogus.

[Zhronne]

I'm kinda glad about the Hippo (supposing they don't cockblock him by gimping his TP moves), I surely like him more than a scorpion (I voted for Slime/Krabkatoa, wanted a new tanking pet like Courier Carrie used to be at 75), but the point here is that it's really disrespectful toward the NA/EU playerbase.
SE has been widely reknown for doing favoritism for their JP player base, it's been like that since the beginning.

Not blaming Bayohne, Camate or anybody else, they have NOTHING to do with this of course, but it's still very frustrating to see how they find all possible excuses to disregard our opinion when it doesn't go in accord with the JP playerbase one.
Of course they would never dare to do something against the JP playerbase opinion, but they seem not to care much when they do that with us.
It's really offending, altough the cynic in me isn't particularly surprised, grew used to these behaviours over the years... they probably do not surprise me that much anymore.

[Bulrogg]

It's my fault, I secretly wanted a Hippo since I couldn't have a Kraken.

[HimuraKenshyn]

I give hippo a win great tp moves and looks cool to boot lol....

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm happy with getting another THF Type pet. Hippo's are THF.

That said, the Tiger pet is really powerful, The only thing he's missing is something like Sharp Strike, Which face it, Would have been 3 charges, or we just plain wouldn't have got it. I'm happy with Tiger as our "Strong Attacker".

So long as Hippo isn't nerfed, We can expect some decent combat out of it.

Edit: But yah they clearly didn't listen to all forums.

Also occasionally BRD, so hello BRD pet with no songs and no TH/High Evasion.

[Camate]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

[Dreamin]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

I think the only way that you can quiet us is to post the total number of votes from each/all region that made up the final count for each pet.

Also, why put scorpion on the voting list if the dev wasnt' going to implement it if it wins?

Seriously, I would rather you guys just tell us that SE gave each regional players vote 1 choice, for the JP, they got Hippogryph.

[Zarchery]

Also, why put scorpion on the voting list if the dev wasnt' going to implement it if it wins?

From the post, it sounds like that's a non issue because scorpion didn't win, when the grand total of all votes from all regions (America, Japan, and Europe) were totaled.

[Alhanelem]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

The only way you'll coinvince people here that there is no favoritisim is if you show is the vote tallies and break it down by forum section (JP/EN/FR/DE)

Because some people have looked around and it doesn't look like the votes are in line with what you said.

[Kalilla]

I love ya camate but it shouldn't be that difficult to release the results. If they are tallied even a table of what option got what % of the votes would convince people.

[Dreamin]

From the post, it sounds like that's a non issue because scorpion didn't win, when the grand total of all votes from all regions (America, Japan, and Europe) were totaled.

Not sure you follow but it was Camate that said Scorpion won in this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1697-What-new-Jug-Pets-would-you-like-to-see-91-99?p=200867#post200867

[Barber]

Going to go ahead and bookmark this until this is resolved. Don't care about bst, but this is a major PR blunder unless some evidence shows the hippo actually won global voting. There is a large disparity in the amount of total votes in the NA thread vs the JP thread. The hippo would have had to have been practically a unanimous pick in other regions to have canceled out its lackluster finish in the NA thread.

[Nosboh]

Maybe it was tallied with each regions winning mob getting only 1 vote.

Like NA scorp won so NA's vote would be: Scorp (1) and JP and say German's winning mob was hippo(2), so they tallied it like hippo won 2 to 1 with scorp?

So more regions voted for the Hippogryph.



edit: For clarity

[Daremo]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13090-Suggestions-pour-le-futur-du-BST?p=192556#post192556

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14516-*Umfrage*-Welches-neue-Haustier-f%C3%BCr-euren-Bestienb%C3%A4ndiger

[Mifaco]

In this case it was the Germans that tilted the balance 2-1 in favor of hippo
Lesson learned: Get your German and French friends to outvote the JPs. It doesn't matter how many votes the NA forum has.

[Granny]

wow this is messed up... so what was the point of the poll again if it wasn't used?

[Granny]

why in the world wouldnt the votes be released at the end anyways... you'd think it being posted would just be a given, why is there always something fishing going on when SE is involved lol.

[Insaniac]

In this case it was the Germans that tilted the balance 2-1 in favor of hippo
Lesson learned: Get your German and French friends to outvote the JPs. It doesn't matter how many votes the NA forum has.There's a fair amount of interest in the Hippo on the German forums but only 4 actual votes for it. Even if you count the ones that just included it in their top picks it still loses and like I said before the french didn't even cast a single vote lol. It's haggard no matter how you spin it. I think if we could just get an explanation of what these things the dev team had to consider were it would shut a lot of us up if they make any sense at all. This isn't one of those "Take our word for it" situations.

[Miroku_Asura]

This all could have been solved if they just implemented a forum wide poll on the front page that showed results when this whole thing started. It's not like it's hard to implement or something, considering EVERY OTHER FORUM on the internet has the option to "make a poll"...

[xbobx]

That is not what it says. Read carefully. Scorpion probably did win, but SE nixed it and made the final call.

"so, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves."

So basically I bet Scorpion won, then SE said, nah, Hippo will be easier to implement. Why make a comment like that anyways, its like a legal disclaimer.

[Kimble]

Honestly, each region getting a vote makes sense. If you have one region with a lot more feedback and "voice" then another, it would then be exactly what you are saying "Thats not fair! most of voted for this, so why should this area have a say in it?"

Its the same has how larger states don't have as much of a voice as smaller states because it would be unfair due to larger states having more people.

[Selzak]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.
Was it? Because Hippogryph didn't win overall - it was fourth - and that's exactly why we're upset. We didn't expect our favorite to win, we expected the overall favorite to win. Instead, the Japanese favorite won. Is this not the case?

Also, if the final answer is that the development team made the call- Tell us why they chose the Hippogryph specifically, instead of the Scorpion, Ruszor, and Slime (all of these had more overall votes than the Hippogryph).

Thank you for responding, but understand that this doesn't have anything to do with us being upset that we don't get the Scorpion- it's purely an issue of fairness. I believe that you do put a lot of work into conveying our feedback to the development team, but I think we're all beginning to seriously question what happens to it after that.




Its the same has how larger states don't have as much of a voice as smaller states because it would be unfair due to larger states having more people.
You actually have that kind of backwards.

[Motenten]

House of Representatives gets members (ie: votes) proportional to the state population. Senate gets 2 votes per state, regardless of population.

And yeah, this was probably an override of scorp for some reason, and they took the next most popular, or something.

[Selzak]

And yeah, this was probably an override of scorp for some reason, and they took the next most popular, or something.
It was the fourth most popular overall.

[Anathiel]

You see what happemed there? We all should have remembered our high school french and voted for scorp on french forums. But of course we didn't know the poll rules did we? Just vote for your favorite and we'll put it in! Can't believe anybody working for SE would be surprised you have a bunch of pissed off NA when it was worded as it was.

[Sasaraixx]

It was the fourth most popular overall.

You still aren't getting it. I don't know how many more times you need to have it explained to you.


Just vote for your favorite and we'll put it in! Can't believe anybody working for SE would be surprised you have a bunch of pissed off NA when it was worded as it was.

It was never worded that way.

[Puck]

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.
Nobody accuses you of not listening to us and conveying our wishes to the dev team, Camate. In fact I'm sure everyone here believes that you're doing as much as you possibly can.

But it's the development team that isn't listening. There was a democratic vote, our choice had the most votes, and you did your part conveying that fact to the development team. But what did they do? They ignored you, and all non-JP players. In spite of the fact that the JP players' pick was not voted the winner by a majority of players from all regions, they chose it anyway.

It's a clear example of what many people have suspected since the forums were created: the developers ultimately don't listen to you when you convey our opinions. Our opinions, for the most part, don't matter in the end.

[Ash]

If its so hard to implement a scorpion jug, why was it in the voting list in the first place?

[Logandor]

Our Representative is doing the best he can. I am not picking sides or anything of the sort but I was a little hurt the our top pick on these forums were not added at all to the list. I was thinking why couldn't the top picks from all the forums be implemented. ANYWAYS square enix made its decision based on what their developers could handle in the beastmaster pet department. Sadly I do think we should of been given a prechoice of what they could and could not handle to make as pets. Hippo is going to be interesting and yes I was one of the few who did ask for scrop. I thought that bug would be a fun one to have out and around but the idea of a hippo following is just creepy and giving evil ideas of trying it out on notorious monsters.
I am glad though we are at least even getting any jug pets at all for the update. They could of just said no new pets and just gave us gear instead. I do understand this forum is upset with the out come at least a good portion but try to think positive. I do think that our Representative hears us loud and clear but (in my opinion) due to their customer service is having a hard time trying to give us a straight answer.
Please I know people are upset but lets at least find out what what the pets they did choose abilities will be and the new pets names.

[Selzak]

You still aren't getting it. I don't know how many more times you need to have it explained to you.
Everyone is wrong, you are right.

Look at what has happened in context. The Hippogryph is being implemented, why? The significance of the Hippogryph being fourth is that he said the decision was based on all of the regions' votes together and not just the EN forum, yet the overall votes have Hippogryph at fourth, so why Hippogryph and not the three ahead of it?

Because of a mysterious development team decision that has absolutely nothing to do with it being the Japanese forum's top pick? The fact that you don't see why everyone around you is upset and are just sitting here pretending like everything is fine and we're all confused is laughable.


We're not saying that we expected our winner to be implemented. We're not saying that we were promised that they'd even implement the overall winner (although this was definitely expected, and should have been). The problem is that it wasn't the first overall choice, it wasn't the second overall choice (because, maybe the first choice wouldn't work), it wasn't the third overall choice (hell, maybe neither the first nor the second choices worked- but then you have to ask why they included them in the vote in the first place), but it was the fourth overall choice...the one that the Japanese posters picked.

You have to be wearing some very thick glasses not to see a problem with that.

[Gannon]

I think this shows us that we need to put our votes not in the NA thread but in the JP one instead.

[Atoreis]

I think this shows us that we need to put our votes not in the NA thread but in the JP one instead.

Im pretty sure we are linked to our accounts and those accounts have some info where we live so that wont work.

My guess is much simpler. They didnt count the number of votes for each pet at all. Camate did and gave a report of Scorp won. Someone from german forum made a report and said hippo won. Someone from French forum made a report that none voted. Someone from JP forum made a report that Hippo won. Then someone who is responsible for summing up those reports and give final report to devs just ignored the numbers of vote but just took the winners from all regions (maybe even he had instruction that he should just pass the winners for each regions). SO in the end even that Camate passed the number of votes it didnt need to be in final report that devs got. They could only get German Hippo EN Scorp JP hippo French none so they decided ok lets make a hippo. Blame the system and flow of information in big corporations :)

[xiozen]

Or to put it very simply: The Dev team made a "decision" to implement what they wanted. Simple. Camate asked for our "opinion", we gave it, it was asked for in the form of a vote.. we voted.. our opinions were noted... the Dev team made a decision... end of story. I think everyone needs to chill.

[Sasaraixx]

Everyone is wrong, you are right.

Look at what has happened in context. The Hippogryph is being implemented, why? The significance of the Hippogryph being fourth is that he said the decision was based on all of the regions' votes together and not just the EN forum, yet the overall votes have Hippogryph at fourth, so why Hippogryph and not the three ahead of it?

Because of a mysterious development team decision that has absolutely nothing to do with it being the Japanese forum's top pick? The fact that you don't see why everyone around you is upset and are just sitting here pretending like everything is fine and we're all confused is laughable.


We're not saying that we expected our winner to be implemented. We're not saying that we were promised that they'd even implement the overall winner (although this was definitely expected, and should have been). The problem is that it wasn't the first overall choice, it wasn't the second overall choice (because, maybe the first choice wouldn't work), it wasn't the third overall choice (hell, maybe neither the first nor the second choices worked- but then you have to ask why they included them in the vote in the first place), but it was the fourth overall choice...the one that the Japanese posters picked.

You have to be wearing some very thick glasses not to see a problem with that.


The problem is that you are being stubborn to the point of being childlike. You tell me to look at context but you are completely unable to do so. I've already told you that no where in any of Camate or Mocchi's posts did they say that the pet with the most number of votes would be selected. You cling onto this fourth place ranking like it proves something. It doesn't.

You then hear that the hippo was the winner on the German forum as well and you still don't seem to care. Since numbers seem to matter so much to you, here are two for you: 2 to 1. That is the report that was probably sent by community reps. The dev team didn't know/care that scorpion had 44 votes or however many you think it did. They only know that the hippo was the clear winner in 2 of the 3 forums. End of story.

I also told you that the dev team had other considerations when they made the decision and that your feedback (which is all it was. Feedback.) was considered among them. What did Camate tell you? The exact same thing.

And I've already asked why you continue to rant and complain about favoritism for the Japanese players in a Japanese game that is played primarily by Japanese if you really think that is the case. It's actually a bit ironic because you wanted the dev team to base their decisions on the most votes cast, but are upset because you think they are playing favorites to the largest player base.

If you want to continue to be upset about something that I really think you shouldn't be then that is your prerogative. I was just trying to help you see the bigger picture but you have decided that you are mad and you want to stay mad. Have fun with that. I can only watch a person bang their head against a wall for so long.


Or to put it very simply: The Dev team made a "decision" to implement what they wanted. Simple. Camate asked for our "opinion", we gave it, it was asked for in the form of a vote.. we voted.. our opinions were noted... the Dev team made a decision... end of story. I think everyone needs to chill.

At least someone is being reasonable.

[xbobx]

"Sadly I do think we should of been given a prechoice of what they could and could not handle to make as pets."

Actually they did do that, they gave us a list of pets that SE was willing to include as a jug, scorp was on that list.

[Selzak]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.
This has nothing to do with getting what we want, and everything to do with the JP side getting exactly what they want despite the actual votes from all regions. In other words, if you come in here today and say, "Hey guys, we're going to add the scorpion too since you wanted it so bad!" I don't think a single person would be appeased. It's just not the issue.

Camate, on your end I fully believe that we're being listened to. You do a tremendous amount of work for us and you can trust me too when I say that it doesn't go unacknowledged. However, we do need for the actual problem here to be acknowledged and addressed regardless of whether or not you personally are listening to us.

The question remains:

Why did the development team choose the Japanese favorite despite it being the fourth overall pick? What happened to the three choices that had more overall votes than the hippogryph?

[Choerilos]

"NA" forum also has a little problem, French forum mostly attracts French people, German forum mostly Germans, Japanese mostly Japanese. "NA" forum has a HUGE ammount of Europeans and other people in it too. So this isnt even about 4 regions. Considering the French and German forums to be equal to "NA" is just weird.

From now on official votings should just have 1 central topic in either Japanese or English (NA) forum, and seperate topics in the other languages to redirect to that central voting topic. Discussions can happen in the seperate topics, official central topic just for votes and nothing else. Will make things easier and a lot more fair.

Not going to help with this current situation but might be a handy system for the future.

[Felren]

Occupy Vanadiel!!!!

The Japanese big LS corporations making billions of gil of profit every year are running our game. We only have the illusion of a vote as we don't have the monetary power to actually make a difference.

The mog bonanza has been bailing out these big LS corporations lining their pockets with millions of gil every year!

[Camiie]

SE: We'll have a fair vote... then we'll implement the hippogryph!

[Zaknafein]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.

Camate I appreciate the work you do on these forum's, and your repeated efforts to convey our wishes while keeping us informed. I certainly find no fault with you in this situation that has developed, and I understand the delicate position you've been placed in.

However that being said. This response (which undoubtedly was either crafted by a senior member or at the very least heavily proofread/steered by such) is sorely lacking in the explanation department. Without rehashing all the details that have been discussed in this thread, and the other one the "this selection was based off of all regions" is simply unacceptable.

I've been playing this game a long time. I'll be perfectly honest I love the game. It's the first, and the last MMO I have played. I have watched many friends leave the game over the years. Exponentially more since the release of Abyssea, and the subsequent level cap increases. I try hard to promote the game to new players, and especially to try, and win back veterans who have departed.

To put it bluntly this situation really takes the wind out of my sails in regards to those efforts, and causes me to reevaluate my own commitment to the franchise. As many have stated over the last few days this unpleasant feeling transcends a single call made on a jug pet.

[BigPapaBlueJay]

SE seems to use an electoral college system, where 1 persons vote doesn't matter, the forum itself gets 1 vote based on the voters within.

With this being said, unless SE can easily see which you belong to, or if you've voted before, vote in every forum next time to help sway the election.

[Selzak]

The problem is that you are being stubborn to the point of being childlike. You tell me to look at context but you are completely unable to do so. I've already told you that no where in any of Camate or Mocchi's posts did they say that the pet with the most number of votes would be selected. You cling onto this fourth place ranking like it proves something. It doesn't.

You then hear that the hippo was the winner on the German forum as well and you still don't seem to care. Since numbers seem to matter so much to you, here are two for you: 2 to 1. That is the report that was probably sent by community reps. The dev team didn't know/care that scorpion had 44 votes or however many you think it did. They only know that the hippo was the clear winner in 2 of the 3 forums. End of story.

I also told you that the dev team had other considerations when they made the decision and that your feedback (which is all it was. Feedback.) was considered among them. What did Camate tell you? The exact same thing.

And I've already asked why you continue to rant and complain about favoritism for the Japanese players in a Japanese game that is played primarily by Japanese if you really think that is the case. It's actually a bit ironic because you wanted the dev team to base their decisions on the most votes cast, but are upset because you think they are playing favorites to the largest player base.

If you want to continue to be upset about something that I really think you shouldn't be then that is your prerogative. I was just trying to help you see the bigger picture but you have decided that you are mad and you want to stay mad. Have fun with that. I can only watch a person bang their head against a wall for so long.
There's nothing going on here that I don't understand, I guess you and I see the situation differently but I really don't think you have much room to call me stubborn when nearly every single person here (and even outside of the thread) sees it as a problem and you refuse to see it in that light.

To me, forty-something votes to twenty-something votes means the former wins. When the overall vote has three choices above Hippogryph, but we get the Hippogryph (which Japanese posters happened to favor) I see a problem.

Unlike you, I'm going to assume that the Hippogryph implementation was not random and did indeed reflect the community's feedback. I don't think there's anything stubborn about recognizing the obvious. I assume you agree that the votes did matter, even though you argue both sides.

Now, unraveling your logic a bit and assuming that the vote matters (which you seem to jump back and forth on while arguing contradicting 'points'), let's examine the reason(s) why Hippogryph was chosen:

I don't care if there were 200 separate national forums and 199 of them ended up voting in favor of Hippogryph, player choice depends on players not their language or country of origin. Otherwise, you're saying their votes count more than ours.

You call me stubborn for considering overall votes, yet in order to support your argument you pretend like the Hippogryph won 2:1 because five Germans voted for it (despite losing terribly overall). According to your logic, if I had gone to the French forum and voted for Scorpion and that was the only vote in the entire thread- it'd be tied! 2-2! I can actually speak French, too...wish I had known. That kind of logic is absolutely ridiculous, and to work behind that and then call me stubborn is ironic as hell.


Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

[Sasaraixx]

You're trying but still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are too fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That was an assumption you made and you're basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND their own plans.

There is nothing contradictory about anything that I've said. You just keep screaming about 44 votes and that only the Japanese forum matters. There are plenty of other considerations that go into decisions like this but you are blatantly ignoring them.

And even if I were to believe your theory behind all of this, I would still think that you are being ridiculous. Japanese game, Japanese development team, Japanese player base - you really have no reason to be angry.

[Sasaraixx]

Ugh. That is what I get for posting from my phone. I will edit and finish this later. My apologies.

[xbobx]

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

[Selzak]

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

There is nothing c

Feedback is feedback, but why was it handled the way that it was? There's a Japanese Hippogryph staring you in the face that you don't seem to want to consider. You say the votes didn't really matter, or that they were considered but at the end it was the development team's decision- but why that decision? Why the Japanese favorite and not the three others that had more votes?

I'm trying but failing what, exactly? You've done nothing but circle around the issue and tell us to get out of the center.

[FrankReynolds]

You're trying buts still failing. I never said that your votes didn't matter. I said that you are to fixated by the tally when no where did anyone ever tell you that the pet with the most number of votes would be implemented. That wad an assumption you made and your basing your entire argument on it.

Also, never once did I say the choice of the hippo was random. That was something else created in your mind. The developers chose that pet based on the feedback from all of the forums AND thet own plans.

There is nothing c

Notice that they didn't say "We are conducting a poll, please tell us what your favorite animal is."

But they did say "Tell us what jug pet you would like to see implimented"
and then " And... based on your feedback!...................Hippogryph"

[Sasaraixx]

Sasaraixx, it was implied. They didn't have to come right out and say it. They said enough for a reasonable person to understand it as that, vote, that one wins. If it wasn't, then it is just another case of poor communication from SE's part.

They said here is a list of pets the development team are willing to implement, please tell us which one you would like to see. Now in that, yes, there isn't enough to make that assumption. But then they started talking about voting and tallying up the votes. It is implied that if you vote for something then the winning vote wins. You don't have be direct.

I would think that a reasonable person who has played this game for as long as we have would have known better than to imply anything. Knowing the way the development team operates and all of the other things they take into consideration before they make any decision, I viewed this purely as a way of getting feedback to help make their decision. And from where I sit that looks exactly what happened.

Now I will cut you some slack because I assume you weren't following the JP thread as well. If you read the Japanese posts about this you would see that there was no mention of voting or tallying votes. Mocchi simply asked the posters to let them know which pet from the list below they would like implemented. There were no subsequent posts about which pet was winning or needing to choose between only two. In fact, they had not heard anything since Mocchi's post listing the group of pets being considered.


They implied, and almost everyone but you seemed understood that as the purpose of their post. I am not going to say you are straight out wrong, because you are not technically, but that is what there intent was, winning vote would implemented. Even the recent post from them proves that was their intent.

Actually, it doesn't. All Camate said was that the selection was based on all regions. He also said that the development team has to look at all aspects of any implementation and make the final call themselves. I don't see how you read that to say what you are claiming.

[Rennix]

The jp vote the NA voted the Germans voted and the French voted.

Hippo,Scorp,Hippo,Nothing

2 Hippo
1 Scorp
1 Nothing

Kinda easy to see what won.

And Hippo was included in the original big list. Our vote just got narrowed down in the end leaving it out.

.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The jp vote the NA voted the Germans voted and the French voted.

Hippo,Scorp,Hippo,Nothing

2 Hippo
1 Scorp
1 Nothing

Kinda easy to see what won.

And Hippo was included in the original big list. Our vote just got narrowed down in the end leaving it out.

.

Two things..

1. That's not what they said. If so they've gone completely how they wanted too because you don't do poll votes that way.

2. I love that people that play the game are arguing in defense of a company who asks people to vote, takes their money then completely ignores the majority of voters.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It's easy. Scorp = fail. Hippo = awsome. The right choice was made.

[Xilk]

It's easy. Scorp = fail. Hippo = awsome. The right choice was made.

Wow.... I'm breaking my own rule by replying to you...
I have no intent to carry a conversation, but sometimes you just have to slap something down when it is this blatantly... fail.

You have ZERO credibility. You are only consistent in shortsightedness and self-interest, and loud-mouthedness.

Tsukino_kaji = fail.

[Vold]

So if SE isn't playing the bias game that means they got all democracy on our ass because I'm not about to entertain the idea that they had a vote just 'cause. They better not be eff'n wasting more of my dollars every month by paying reps to post bogus polls. Anyways, is it so bad to let the majority vote get the nod? Grats everyone here, we got hippo 'cause the other regions handful of BSTs voted for it thereby making our vote n/a.

Now on we need to vote in the JP forums with our messed up google translations, and they'll all be like wtf is going on here NA invasion for reals and we'll be all like hi guys and I don't know.

[deces]

For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.
Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy

[xbobx]

"Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy "

And 4 of those 5 jugs they will make sure cost 200k a stack, where the hippo costs 5k

[Risae]

I'm no BST, just popping in here.

Regardless of whether or not the vote was fair I have a different consideration and question.

If you are going to implement high level jugs and people requested Hippogryph partly for need of an Avian and Scorpion partly for need of a Vermin, and you were already planning to add Apkallu, why choose Hippogryph at all?

Are Apkallu Aquans? Is the voting 'one vote per region'? Are we all really that stupid? Something got lost somewhere in the data. Perhaps only the preferences of level 90+ BST were actually counted for voting?

Anyways, my other question, to the BSTs out there, in all seriousness because I would like to learn more about your job and how this will affect you, is thus...

"What use is an Apkallu, really?"

That was my other concern, I have a limited understanding of what BST look for in jugs and so I currently see it as 'everything an Apkallu does can be done better by far already'. Except perhaps that it is a MNK...?

Can anyone enlighten me as to the usefulness of an Apkallu Jug IF we assume that they have no special, hitherto unknown abilities?

[Xilk]

I'm no BST, just popping in here.

Regardless of whether or not the vote was fair I have a different consideration and question.

If you are going to implement high level jugs and people requested Hippogryph partly for need of an Avian and Scorpion partly for need of a Vermin, and you were already planning to add Apkallu, why choose Hippogryph at all?

Are Apkallu Aquans? Is the voting 'one vote per region'? Are we all really that stupid? Something got lost somewhere in the data. Perhaps only the preferences of level 90+ BST were actually counted for voting?

Anyways, my other question, to the BSTs out there, in all seriousness because I would like to learn more about your job and how this will affect you, is thus...

"What use is an Apkallu, really?"

That was my other concern, I have a limited understanding of what BST look for in jugs and so I currently see it as 'everything an Apkallu does can be done better by far already'. Except perhaps that it is a MNK...?

Can anyone enlighten me as to the usefulness of an Apkallu Jug IF we assume that they have no special, hitherto unknown abilities?

short answer: WE don't know yet.

We don't know if apkallu will be any good. At this point is just interesting because its an avian, and its a pet we could never use before.

Nazuna is level capped at 86. So an apkallu gives us back a light-based AoE sleep without the use of Beast Affinity merits.

Otherwise the abilities and traits appear pretty much the same as what we've seen in other things. It really depends on how strong SE lets the REady moves be.

For example: Lulush's foot kick is a crit hit, which means atma make this one of the rare worthwhile ready moves for damage. It goes along w/ our other dd atma. Broncha has very similiar dd ready moves to lulush, but they are not as effective. (even though I've gotten a 1500 damage nimble snap before in nyzul... that really just level bonus and beast correlation).

[Rennix]

Two things..

1. That's not what they said. If so they've gone completely how they wanted too because you don't do poll votes that way.

2. I love that people that play the game are arguing in defense of a company who asks people to vote, takes their money then completely ignores the majority of voters.

They did have a poll vote for each region lol then they took the popular pet from those polls and we got hippo coming our way.

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

Even in an election you can poll an area to see who they like, but just because one area likes this person more doesnt mean they are going to get voted in. It doesnt include everyones vote. Same thing happened here. All regions got polled, all the polls got sent to the devlopers, the popular vote won out of the regions. Now you guys are mad cause your candidate didnt win. Tough.

Now if i were to entertain your argument and say that they are favoring the JP over us, you have to remember that this is a JP originated game, plus the jp has a higher player base then us. Of course they are going to cater to them. It'd be stupid not to.

[FrankReynolds]

They did have a poll vote for each region lol then they took the popular pet from those polls and we got hippo coming our way.

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

Even in an election you can poll an area to see who they like, but just because one area likes this person more doesnt mean they are going to get voted in. It doesnt include everyones vote. Same thing happened here. All regions got polled, all the polls got sent to the devlopers, the popular vote won out of the regions. Now you guys are mad cause your candidate didnt win. Tough.

Imagine the amount of crap that would have to go wrong for a politician to have over double the votes of the opponent and still lose.


Now if i were to entertain your argument and say that they are favoring the JP over us, you have to remember that this is a JP originated game, plus the jp has a higher player base then us. Of course they are going to cater to them. It'd be stupid not to.

also this just in: it's OK to be racist against your customers now because you make the product.....

[Rennix]

Imagine the amount of crap that would have to go wrong for a politician to have over double the votes of the opponent and still lose.

Just because we have more people come to this forum doesnt me we should have more say.



also this just in: it's OK to be racist against your customers now because you make the product.....

If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?

[FrankReynolds]

If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?


lol I got trolled. OK, now crawl back under your rock.

[Rennix]

and you just did it twice guess we are even.

[FrankReynolds]

Just because we have more people come to this forum doesnt me we should have more say.

actually it does.




If you are going to get more money from them in the long run, then why not?

because you can get the same amount of money without being a racist tool, and they would be none the wiser.

[Rennix]

actually it does.

Beacuse you say so? I dont think so. We would have got scorpion if this was true.





because you can get the same amount of money without being a racist tool, and they would be none the wiser.

I can agree with this, but I really don't think SE is being racist. People are just looking at this the wrong way unfortunately.


lol I got trolled. OK, now crawl back under your rock.lol I got trolled.

Out of curiosity why did you say this? Was it because of my low post count? That would kind of put me and the JP in the same boat if you think about it.

[FrankReynolds]

Beacuse you say so? I dont think so. We would have got scorpion if this was true.






I can agree with this, but I really don't think SE is being racist. People are just looking at this the wrong way unfortunately.



Out of curiosity why did you say this? Was it because of my low post count? That would kind of put me and the JP in the same boat if you think about it.


Because you said it was fine to be racist, which means you are probably just posting here to piss people off.

now that you mention it.... The fact that we voted more means we should have more say. In most elections, the people who don't vote at all are the majority. Do you really believe that means no one should get voted in? should we just have empty offices at our government buildings? or do you think that just maybe the standard method of electing the person with the most actual votes is the best method?

[Rennix]

Because you said it was fine to be racist, which means you are probably just posting here to piss people off.

now that you mention it.... The fact that we voted more means we should have more say. In most elections, the people who don't vote at all are the majority. Do you really believe that means no one should get voted in? should we just have empty offices at our government buildings? or do you think that just maybe the standard method of electing the person with the most actual votes is the best method?

I never said it was fine to be racist at all, but from a business stand point if the jp are giving me more money then im going to make sure they are happy.

Also you said i was trolling you, not the whole board so I just thought you might have made it personal that's all.

If you go back to Calmates post he said it was a Regional vote, not a NA only vote. So more votes in one region doesnt matter at all. Your saying it does doesn't make it true either. IT WAS POPULAR REGION VOTE, NOT POPULAR NA VOTE. OUR REGION LOST.
Your example of people not voting and someone not getting in or whatever doesnt make sense really. Regardless if someone votes or not someone will always get in.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

When did SE every state that the vote would decide the new jug?


Wow.... I'm breaking my own rule by replying to you...
I have no intent to carry a conversation, but sometimes you just have to slap something down when it is this blatantly... fail.

You have ZERO credibility. You are only consistent in shortsightedness and self-interest, and loud-mouthedness.

Tsukino_kaji = fail.Oh please, by all means. Do tell what makes your little scorpion so good? A para breath that would more then likely be removed in favor of the bind one? An attack boost that'll probably wear off before you can make use of it on the next WS? It's not my fault you feel hurt and ignored because you didn't get what YOU wanted. You don't have to take it out on me because I side with the right choice. You're going out of your way to stubornly deny any and all merit that a hippogryph has because you wanted another bug. You don't beed anotehr big. You need to come to the realization that the game has changed and a scorpion belongs back at 75.

[Zaknafein]

You don't beed anotehr big.

You were doing so good too!!! Almost made it through an entire paragraph w/o a spelling error which would be a supreme achievement for you.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You were doing so good too!!! Almost made it through an entire paragraph w/o a spelling error which would be a supreme achievement for you.My fingers get ahead of themselves too often for thier own good. ; ;
The hot chick sitting next to me, helping me cheat on my typing tests in high school probably didn't help me much either. lol

[Areola]

When did SE every state that the vote would decide the new jug?

Oh please, by all means. Do tell what makes your little scorpion so good? A para breath that would more then likely be removed in favor of the bind one? An attack boost that'll probably wear off before you can make use of it on the next WS? It's not my fault you feel hurt and ignored because you didn't get what YOU wanted. You don't have to take it out on me because I side with the right choice. You're going out of your way to stubornly deny any and all merit that a hippogryph has because you wanted another bug. You don't beed anotehr big. You need to come to the realization that the game has changed and a scorpion belongs back at 75.

I agree that the hippo will likely be a great pet. But you are just being unrelentingly stubborn with the assumption that the scorpion would have been a bad pet, and have all its tp moves nerfed.

So out if curiosity. If they did make a scorpion jug whose tp moves are equivalent to its wild counterpart, and didn't have unreasonably high charge requirements, how you fell about it?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Even back in charm days I found scorps to be a usless pet. If they gave it 1000 needles, then you'd have something. You can call it bias if you want. It's fair to do so. People are so sure that the hippogryph moves will be nerfed without acknowledging the fact that the scorp moves would be. A scorping jug will end up being another fly without summersault(Yes SE, we all hate you for that.). But still I have to ask, what makes the scorp so much betetr in people's minds?

Back to the note of voting, what it seems that people are missing is that all the votes from here don't equal what ever their combinded tally was. That tally equals 1. As did the tallies from the other forums and as someone else said, hippo got the hiest at 2.

[Areola]

Even back in charm days I found scorps to be a usless pet. If they gave it 1000 needles, then you'd have something. You can call it bias if you want. It's fair to do so. People are so sure that the hippogryph moves will be nerfed without acknowledging the fact that the scorp moves would be. A scorping jug will end up being another fly without summersault(Yes SE, we all hate you for that.). But still I have to ask, what makes the scorp so much betetr in people's minds?

Back to the note of voting, what it seems that people are missing is that all the votes from here don't equal what ever their combinded tally was. That tally equals 1. As did the tallies from the other forums and as someone else said, hippo got the hiest at 2.

Good stuff. With an explanation of your mindset I can now value your opinion ^^. Now as for why some people think scorpion is better. I would assume the scorpion appeals as a great dd pet with the tp moves still intact. I can remember back at the 75 cap my charmed scorpion death scissored for 2k on a VT mob(to be fair they where both VT). That kind of thing stuck with me and that's what appeals to me about the scorp. But the utility of the hippo beats out the scorp imo. So i'm not that upset about not getting one.

[Insaniac]

Someone needs to google electoral college. A states with more people in it does get more votes.

[Sasaraixx]

Its like voting for a president or PM just because one state or province has more people doesnt mean they have a bigger vote.

I agree with what you're saying, but this part isn't true. At least it isn't in the US. Whether you like or hate the electoral college system in the US, states with a larger population do get more electoral votes and those are what determine the winner. (Ask Al Gore!) Winning the state of California is a much bigger deal than winning Wyoming. It is also possible that someone could win the popular vote but still lose the election. (Ask Al Gore!)

But I do agree with you. There are so many reasons why the hippo was chosen other then "The dev team doesn't care about the NA forum" but I've given up trying to convince these folks.

[Rennix]

I agree with what you're saying, but this part isn't true. At least it isn't in the US. Whether you like or hate the electoral college system in the US, states with a larger population do get more electoral votes and those are what determine the winner. (Ask Al Gore!) Winning the state of California is a much bigger deal than winning Wyoming. It is also possible that someone could win the popular vote but still lose the election. (Ask Al Gore!)

But I do agree with you. There are so many reasons why the hippo was chosen other then "The dev team doesn't care about the NA forum" but I've given up trying to convince these folks.

Sorry bad example, I'm not from the US. Thanks for the correction.

Lets try this maybe. If Insaniac and I were to vote on something just the two of us, would he get more say then I because he has triple my post count? I don't think so. Should the NA people have more say then the other regions cause we have more people come to this forum and post then they do? I don't think so.

The point is we aren't in the US, all regions have a fair say on this forum no matter how many people they have in their particular region and simply that's the way it is. That's the way this vote was ran. Get over it.

If the devs were to tell you this was a regional vote before hand, then I wonder how many of you would have abused the system and voted in another region?

[Insaniac]

That's beyond ridiculous and a terrible example. If one guy on the french forums had actually voted his vote would have been 100 times more powerful than the vote of someone who posted in the english forums because his one vote would have counted as 25% of the actual votes.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Sorry bad example, I'm not from the US. Thanks for the correction.

Lets try this maybe. If Insaniac and I were to vote on something just the two of us, would he get more say then I because he has triple my post count? I don't think so. Should the NA people have more say then the other regions cause we have more people come to this forum and post then they do? I don't think so.

The point is we aren't in the US, all regions have a fair say on this forum no matter how many people they have in their particular region and simply that's the way it is. That's the way this vote was ran. Get over it.

If the devs were to tell you this was a regional vote before hand, then I wonder how many of you would have abused the system and voted in another region?

People wouldn't have, if SE decided that was the way to do it I guarantee you few people would vote at all, it's not a fair vote.

Also not entirely fair, I'm from the UK NOT from NA, I'm forced to post in these forums as they're the only English ones.

[Rennix]

That's beyond ridiculous and a terrible example. If one guy on the french forums had actually voted his vote would have been 100 times more powerful than the vote of someone who posted in the english forums because his one vote would have counted as 25% of the actual votes.


It was a regional vote population doesn't matter, that's how it was decided. Sure if that 1 French person were to vote then ya he would have made up 25% of the final tally. His vote would have been his region vote thus giving his region a 25% shot just like all the other regions to have their final choice win. Again population doesn't matter in a regional vote.

The JP ultimately make up most of the player base on this game. If we were to have this vote on POL im sure the jp votes would more then double the NA votes. So should they then have more say over us? or should each region have an equal say in the end?


People wouldn't have, if SE decided that was the way to do it I guarantee you few people would vote at all, it's not a fair vote.

Also not entirely fair, I'm from the UK NOT from NA, I'm forced to post in these forums as they're the only English ones.

I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.

[FrankReynolds]

I keep seeing people say that Japanese players make up most of ffxi's population. Does anyone have a link to where they have those stats posted? I've been trying to Google it, and I can't find crap. At any rate, I don't see the argument for a higher Japanese player base as valid. If they didn't vote, then they either A) don't play beast master or B) just don't care.
either way, they shouldn't have the most influence if they don't vote.

[Insaniac]

It was a regional vote population doesn't matter, that's how it was decided. Sure if that 1 French person were to vote then ya he would have made up 25% of the final tally. His vote would have been his region vote thus giving his region a 25% shot just like all the other regions to have their final choice win. Again population doesn't matter in a regional vote.

The JP ultimately make up most of the player base on this game. If we were to have this vote on POL im sure the jp votes would more then double the NA votes. So should they then have more say over us? or should each region have an equal say in the end?



I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.
You are just arguing to argue. If SE claims 1 language 1 vote they are just making excuses or they are just plain stupid. With as many options as they had each region could have easily voted for a different jug. Or the french and german forums could have cast a total of 9 votes but both voted for a pet neither the english or jp forums voted for and that pet would have won.

[Logandor]

I think and this is entirely my opinion its based off when people get to play and they notice that from the time changes in the day there is a higher population of players online during the daylight time for Japan compared to their midnight time and US day time. This is just an opinion because whenever I have sat and played on my free time which times vary greatly between day and night I would do a search world on the game and take note that wow night life there is over 3k of people either afk or online compared to 1500 during the day. Those are rough estimates please don't quote me on it. >.< Now I do know they post the census of the game online but I don't have that page marked on my bookmarks. It normally is done in the Spring time. I do hope that helps FrankReynolds.

[deces]

"Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy "

And 4 of those 5 jugs they will make sure cost 200k a stack, where the hippo costs 5k
And how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

[FrankReynolds]

I think and this is entirely my opinion its based off when people get to play and they notice that from the time changes in the day there is a higher population of players online during the daylight time for Japan compared to their midnight time and US day time. This is just an opinion because whenever I have sat and played on my free time which times vary greatly between day and night I would do a search world on the game and take note that wow night life there is over 3k of people either afk or online compared to 1500 during the day. Those are rough estimates please don't quote me on it. >.< Now I do know they post the census of the game online but I don't have that page marked on my bookmarks. It normally is done in the Spring time. I do hope that helps FrankReynolds.

yeah, I've found lots of census info, but nothing that shows the nationality of the actual players.

That population by time thing could be correct. It could also just mean that Japanese players don't stay logged in, while people in other regions tend to leave their characters afk, rather than log out. A lot of people claim that PS2 is what most JP players use, which would explain why you don't see a lot of JP bazaar mules standing around. I also have 2 Japanese accounts, as do many other people who bought the game when it was still in JP only release, so the census may not be very accurate to boot.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.

That's an unfair way to vote. The vast numbers of countries that speak English over say Japanese, French or German being bulked into one vote makes the voting system faulty and biased.

If you want a regional vote then as someone from the UK my vote SHOULD be separated from the NA votes and so on, by clumping them together it means basically SE can fix the votes to the way they want it to be.

[Motenten]

I keep seeing people say that Japanese players make up most of ffxi's population. Does anyone have a link to where they have those stats posted?

Based on what I remember of the yearly census results SE has posted in the past (not going to try looking it up right now, though), there's a fairly steady baseline of players online all the time, then a small-to-moderate spike of players that log in during NA prime time periods, and a large spike of players that log in during JP prime time. Overall it gives the impression that a heavy majority of the player base is JP, even if they're only on a few hours per day.

[FrankReynolds]

Based on what I remember of the yearly census results SE has posted in the past (not going to try looking it up right now, though), there's a fairly steady baseline of players online all the time, then a small-to-moderate spike of players that log in during NA prime time periods, and a large spike of players that log in during JP prime time. Overall it gives the impression that a heavy majority of the player base is JP, even if they're only on a few hours per day.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/10/index.html

according to the last census, and all the past ones I looked at, the peak is at Japanese midnight, which is 8-11 AM in the United states, and late afternoon in Europe. I know gamers tend to be night owls, but it seems like that could just as easily be people from other time zones where it is day time.

[Insaniac]

I said the same thing last time this conversation came up but no one wants to believe that the entire rest of the world could add up to more than just the JPs. That spike is just the time when JPs haven't logged yet, EUs are wide awake and NAs are just waking up and the smaller spike is where JPs are waking up, NAs are still awake, and EUs are dead asleep.

[Earwig]

I wanna see an Opo-opo pet...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I wanna see an Opo-opo pet...Magic fruit eating monkey bastards.
I actualy wanted this too.

[Dreamin]

Just a friendly reminder to the community rep that SE doesnt' have the reality distortion fields around people like Apple/Steve Jobs does and some of us are still here waiting for an answer.

Ignoring the problem does not make the problem go away. Face up to it and tell us the truth is all we wanted to hear.

[Xilk]

Actually, ignoring this will eventually make it go away. How many players are going to quit over it?

if they quit, the arguments on this forum will go away. If they don't quit, we'll probably find something else to talk about. OR we just won't participate in the next time this kind of feedback is asked for.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Just a friendly reminder to the community rep that SE doesnt' have the reality distortion fields around people like Apple/Steve Jobs does and some of us are still here waiting for an answer.

Ignoring the problem does not make the problem go away. Face up to it and tell us the truth is all we wanted to hear.It lost, face it. It had nothing to do with numbers of individual votes here. 50,000 votes here would still just add up to one 1.
And like the galka said, ignoring it will make it go away. lol

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Actually, ignoring this will eventually make it go away. How many players are going to quit over it?

if they quit, the arguments on this forum will go away. If they don't quit, we'll probably find something else to talk about. OR we just won't participate in the next time this kind of feedback is asked for.

Indeed.

Personally I just will no longer vote on anything they do, since it means jack!

[xbobx]

But we got a toad. Se realizes they only care about their own, so they game us a useless frog as compensation for their inappropriate behavior.

[FrankReynolds]

But we got a toad. Se realizes they only care about their own, so they game us a useless frog as compensation for their inappropriate behavior.


Actually they added that as an insult to the french because they didn't even vote.

[Dreamin]

Camate,

You might want to let your boss know that some of us are still here waiting for a full disclosures on what happened to those votes.

I'll keep you reminded until we get an answer.

[Dreamin]

Good Monday morning, Camate.

Any word from HQ as to when they going to take their heads out of the sand and willing to give us the answer that some of us are still waiting for?

Have a good day.

[Olor]

Camate,

You might want to let your boss know that some of us are still here waiting for a full disclosures on what happened to those votes.

I'll keep you reminded until we get an answer.

Echoing that. We'd like a real explanation.

[Logandor]

Well on a side note we at least excited about the next level cap release? As for the entire vote problem I personally will not be voting anymore either mainly because I just felt the votes did not mean any thing. I am though curious about what levels these new pets will be released. I know it will be 96-99 though. Anyone know?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There was no problem with the vote, they are just incapable to see past thier own numbers to the real ones. The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

As for the pets Logan, I didn't see anywhere where they said the lvls of the indiviual pets other then the fact that the frog is low/mid range and for novelty purposes only.

[Zaknafein]

The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

Inaccurately spelling the word accurately ...

Priceless

[Logandor]

There was no problem with the vote, they are just incapable to see past thier own numbers to the real ones. The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

As for the pets Logan, I didn't see anywhere where they said the lvls of the indiviual pets other then the fact that the frog is low/mid range and for novelty purposes only.

Ah okay thank you. :)

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ah okay thank you. :)

It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.1.) That's not what Logan was replying too. lol and 2.) Everyone's was "clumped together." All of the JP votes only ammassed to 1 as well. Don't forget, we're not the only forum. We're just the one that doesn't shut up.
Inaccurately spelling the word accurately ...

PricelessI take pride in my P grades in high school english. ^^

[Logandor]

It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.

I was saying thank you for the info on the pets. Yesh why is so many people mean these days. All I wanted to say was thank you about the pet info. Yes how the voting went down sucked but like hell I would say thank you about that crap. I guess I ought to just keep my niceness for the game now on. :( sorry to tick you off so darn much.

[Dreamin]

1.) That's not what Logan was replying too. lol and 2.) Everyone's was "clumped together." All of the JP votes only ammassed to 1 as well. Don't forget, we're not the only forum. We're just the one that doesn't shut up.I take pride in my P grades in high school english. ^^

Didn't know that Tsukino_Kaji is the official rep for SE on this forum. Since WHEN did any rep comes out and tell us that EACH forum will only get 1 VOTE? Please link me to that post and I will forever shut up about this topic.

It is Camate that said SCORPION WON and he will be reporting that to the dev:


Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)

It is YOUR opinion and conclusion that each forum has only 1 vote. It is some of our opinion that the words of "Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion" means Scorpion has won and that's what will be coming.

As I've said many times before, if SE is willing to give us a clarifications as to what was the cause of the mix up (i.e. not announcing that each forum only gets 1 vote), then most of us would be prefectly willing to be quiet and stfu. But without a clear statement from an OFFICIAL SE REP, which, unfortunately, you dont have that title next to your name at the moment, please you can have your opinion and others can also have our opinion as well.

Another thing to really think about it this way, what if there's 1 vote in the french forum and their vote together with german's vote would wins over both the English and the JP forum. Would SE still have implemented that? Just think about the logic behind that.

The solution is very simple, SE just needs to get their heads out of the sand and to give us a real clarification and that can end all speculations from us.

I hope Camate can delivery this msg to the higher up. Sorry for stressing you out on this issue. I'm sure it suck for you (and other community rep) to be stuck in the middle but unfortunately this is your job as the official community rep and you appear to be the only one that would communicate with us on a regular basis.

We are the paying customers and we are demanding a clear explanations on this issue.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

He was telling you that it was 1st on the eglish forums which is exactly what I said, not that it won over all.

[Dreamin]

He was telling you that it was 1st on the eglish forums which is exactly what I said, not that it won over all.

Strange, he did not use 'on the english forum' in his posting. Again, it it YOUR assumption that it implies only to the English forum but it is MY (and some others as well) assumption that it is for ALL.

Again, if this is truly the case as you said, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Camate from coming back and just post that. A CLARIFICATION from an official SE rep would shut most of us up. But no, it's been over a month now since they have gone into silent in this regard and you know they're still reading all the uproar that is still going on. So, SE, why not just give us, your paying customers, a statement to satisfy our inquiries?

[Olor]

Honestly would be better just to admit to what they did so we know never to get our hopes up about a vote again.

[Sparthos]

The scorpion will be a merit pet I bet. It'll be one of those gotcha! moments. :P

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Strange, he did not use 'on the english forum' in his posting. Again, it it YOUR assumption that it implies only to the English forum but it is MY (and some others as well) assumption that it is for ALL.

Again, if this is truly the case as you said, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Camate from coming back and just post that. A CLARIFICATION from an official SE rep would shut most of us up. But no, it's been over a month now since they have gone into silent in this regard and you know they're still reading all the uproar that is still going on. So, SE, why not just give us, your paying customers, a statement to satisfy our inquiries?Have you ever concidered that everything you're making up is wrong, only falsely perpetuating something that never happened and that's why they're not bothering to respond to you. Plus, you're virtualy harrassing and belittling them. That's not a particularly productive way to go about it.

[Dreamin]

Have you ever concidered that everything you're making up is wrong, only falsely perpetuating something that never happened and that's why they're not bothering to respond to you. Plus, you're virtualy harrassing and belittling them. That's not a particularly productive way to go about it.

When did I 'making up' anything, it is Camate's words that 'Scorpion won', not MINE or anyone else on this forum. It is MY opinion and demand (yes, I said Demand as a PAYING CUSTOMER) for a clarifications. It is absolutely within my rights as a paying customer (at least in the US, we believe in this) to know what happened to that vote. It is absolutely within SE's right to either come out to give us an answer or not - however it is generally bad idea to keep ignoring your paying customers. I can 'DEMAND' all I want because the fact that I AM their paying customer. Am I harassing them by keep asking for a clarification? No I do not believe I am. I would if they comes out with an official clarifications and then I keeps on at the same topic over and over and over again. See the difference there? I'm demanding a clarification as a PAYING Customer and until I get that clarification, I will continue to DEMAND that clarifications. The simpliest solution is for SE to come out and give all of us a clarification. That is all we are asking.

Am I belittling SE as a company at the moment? Absolutely I am right now. Any company who rather IGNORES their PAYING Customers are stupid and ignorance and loses their customers' confidence as each day things past. As a company, they should worry more when their out spoken customers quiet because it doesn't mean the problems went away, it just means they lost customers.

SE: continue the ignorance practices all you want and sticking your head in the sand does not make things go away. Just come out and give us an official clarifications. BS us if you want. But at least response and give us the logic and reasoning. Is it truly because it is 1 vote per region/forum? And please explains what happens if 1 person were to vote in French and German and if those 2 add up were to surpass that of either JP and EN along, would you still implement it. Continuing sticking your corporate head in the SAND does not and will not make things go away. At least not as long as you want to have EN customers.

[Dreamin]

Sorry I got busy yesterday and didn't get to do my weekly bump to remind SE that some of us are still here patiently waiting for an official clarification on the mess.

Camate: glad you had a good thanksgiving holiday.

[Dreamin]

Another week without a clarification from SE. So, here's my weekly bump to reminded SE that there are persistent customers out there still waiting to hear from them.

[Vizardx]

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<

[Olor]

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<

If that happens I will have a freak out, I think

[Furlow]

All said of ideas. SE realy has been bad about keeping the Flow of what Creature classes are in the bst list. Even with new stuff, they finaly got an amorph pet just to remove fish class past 75. Personly I do like ideas of "Epic" jugs, perhaps a 99 merited thing to let bst summon these supper jugs, perhaps combo those super jugs with ability to Charm wild Malbarros, Rocs, Goobues, ect... They've been workin to push Bst away from charming all together from what i've seen So would be nice to have things making charming pets good again.

[Mavrick]

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<


why even bother anymore? At our current pace it will probably only use bind breath.

[Vizardx]

why even bother anymore? At our current pace it will probably only use bind breath.

my luck it would have all the weapon skills but only have 1000 max hp.

[Krysten]

i want to see more Big Jugs.... no puns please...
Trent
Ram
Krakens

maybe even an ability to call some bstmen i think that would be cool

[FrankReynolds]

maybe even an ability to call some bstmen i think that would be cool

Lol at Slave Master job ability.

[Koroma]

Lol at Slave Master job ability.

I wonder what we could do with that ability (http://gamerescape.com/wiki/images/4/47/Mithraslaver_Debhabob.gif)

:o

[Dreamin]

Another week, SE. Some of us are still waiting for an answer here.

But then again, given all the brainless decisions that has been coming out lately (see the massive outcry one the latest pre-nerf on the upcoming merited ws), I'm not surprised that you would kept your head in the sand.

Keep it there, you might not hear your customers' continuous outcry and complaints. But keep it there long enough, you'll wonder do you even have customers left over to even complaint anymore. If you think FF14 will be your savior, then you're dumber then dumb. I wonder how you would answer your next Share Holder Meeting @ your financial conference call when investors ask where has the money gone.

[Dreamin]

Well another week and it looks like SE still got its head stuck in the sand and not willing to come out and let us know what's going on.

Just a friendly bump to let SE knows that some of us do not give up easily.

[Dreamin]

Welcome back, Camata.

Hope you had a good holidays. Now, any chance that SE wants to clarify this issue?

[Olor]

A new tiger, Behemoth,Gnole,Manticore would be awesome :) maybe a kraken too

please no more tigers >.>

[Tsukino_Kaji]

please no more tigers >.>Yeah, all 2 of them...
We do need a kraken though.

[Olor]

Yeah, all 2 of them...
We do need a kraken though.


2 more than the number of crows jugs we have, or crawlers, or pugils, or monkeys, or scorpions, or dhamels, or bats, or bees etc...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

2 more than the number of crows jugs we have, or crawlers, or pugils, or monkeys, or scorpions, or dhamels, or bats, or bees etc...Why the hell would you ever want a bird, crawler, fish or scorp? Bee would be kinds worthless too.

[Dreamin]

Happy 2nd week in 2012.

Any chance SE will get their heads out of the sand pit anytime soon and come clean with us? Or you guys too busy fighting down fire from the VW loot system?

Either way, just a constant reminder to SE that some of us do not like to go away until we get a clarification from a company who is providing a service that we actually for whatever reason, still pays for.

Thank you for reading this Camata, I'm sure you're tired of reading my weekly posting.

[Dreamin]

Week #3 here, Camata.

Any chance that SE going to ever wake up and unstuck their head in places where the sun dont shine?

Anyway, here's looking forward to my next week's post.

[Komori]

Forget everything else, I want a Gnole. d<.< They're probably the coolest mob out there and could maybe finally give us a reliable MNK type pet? Technically they're a beastmen but they were never considered one of the main beastmen; rather just attack dogs for them for me. I don't even care if I would need to do some quest; since their now dead to use them; like working with the Tenshodo to work up some Voodoo to reanimate one to use; they could even be a bit expensive and come solely from whoever you do the quest for. I just want to use one ; ;

[Namtara]

a more supers fluffies sheep! :{D

[Dreamin]

Week #4 of 2012, Camata,

When will SE give us an answer?

[Dreamin]

Week #5 of 2012, Camata,

Any chance SE going to take their heads out of the sand and answer us? or will they just nuke this thread as well like the mass bitching R/M/E trial 99 thread (and the thread that asked why that thread got nuked)?

I feel sorry for you Camata, working for a company that treats their customers like this.

[Xilk]

Week #5 of 2012, Camata,

Any chance SE going to take their heads out of the sand and answer us? or will they just nuke this thread as well like the mass bitching R/M/E trial 99 thread (and the thread that asked why that thread got nuked)?

I feel sorry for you Camata, working for a company that treats their customers like this.

btw, his name is Camate not Camata

[Psxpert2011]

Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)



Wow, I love bst threads but this was totally interesting for me. I feel a total BUST on SE part seeing that the winning vote for Scorpion came to pass(a long time ago). No Answer from the Communty Rep yet.

As for me, according to this chart (http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/File:Creatures.jpg), I believe the incentive to becoming a lv.99(master) Beastmaster(hence the name), it would require the job to handle all creatures to their full potential. If you don't have the right pet vs the mob( SO IT CAN INTIMIDATE), to strike at its weakness, it's a loosing battle(assuming the bst is soloing).

Why not categorize HQ jug-pets and common jug-pets? Like I said, I love bst, mine is at lv.50 and may master it someday.

Bst needs arcana type pets and dragon pets to fight demons and undead mobs. Think about it, Puppetmaster seems to get attention towards customizing its should get the same focus.

Bst lv.90-99 jug-pets should become like fellow NPCs who you can level-up, upgrade and power-up because you'll need a full arsenal with the little inventory space we all have already. I want to continue bst but seeing the treatment and lack of creativity SE is putting into it, no wonder there's bad mojo towards FFxi!




...




or else let a lv.99 bst charming skill work on all creatures. nuff said.


PS: I vote for Scorpion too! (tho it's too late, as it even matters)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Again, because it had a high nember of vote on one forum dose not mean it won.

[FrankReynolds]

Again, because it had a high nember of vote on one forum dose not mean it won.
Again, because it had a low number of votes on multiple forums does not mean it won.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yay! Dipper and Faithful will now be useless.

The Dev's are either removing TH or dropping it to tier I. Thanks a lot.

[Vandheer]

Yay! Dipper and Faithful will now be useless.

The Dev's are either removing TH or dropping it to tier I. Thanks a lot.

D: What? I'd love to see where this is stated, if you could include a link to where you got your info that would be great.


As for me, according to this chart, I believe the incentive to becoming a lv.99(master) Beastmaster(hence the name), it would require the job to handle all creatures to their full potential. If you don't have the right pet vs the mob( SO IT CAN INTIMIDATE), to strike at its weakness, it's a loosing battle(assuming the bst is soloing).

Bst needs arcana type pets and dragon pets to fight demons and undead mobs. Think about it, Puppetmaster seems to get attention towards customizing its should get the same focus.

Few things in reply to Psxpert2011. Beastmasters don't have access to mobs like arcana because it would (or atleast should) also give Beastmaster access to undead, perhaps even dragons and demons. For the most part if we look at the link here... http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/index.php?title=Beast_Strength_Chart&image=Creatures-jpg ...beastmaster get pets of the top 2 categories of the chart.

Although I disagree with beastmasters being able to get arcana I do agree that they should have access to decent pets of all the types within the top 2 categories of the chart. From my knowledge bst has, x3 Beast, x2 Lizard, x1 Vermin, x2 Plantoid, x2 Amorph, x2 Bird, and 0 Aquian (unless you count Slippery Silas...) as jugs that cap at 99. Being I'm still working on my beastmaster (which is level 90) and cant say from my own experience as to if these jugs are up to our standards but perhaps this can be discussed further so we can better work out what jug types we do need.


Bst lv.90-99 jug-pets should become like fellow NPCs who you can level-up, upgrade and power-up because you'll need a full arsenal with the little inventory space we all have already. I want to continue bst but seeing the treatment and lack of creativity SE is putting into it, no wonder there's bad mojo towards FFxi!

As for pets peing like fellow NPCs its an interesting thought but I'm not sure how it would work into the beastmaster job or how it would make beastmaster in comparison with other pet jobs. I know puppetmaster is supposed to have control over their pets in a way similar to what you stated.

[Tsuneo]

D: What? I'd love to see where this is stated, if you could include a link to where you got your info that would be great.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20369-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%96%E9%96%93%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8A%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B%E3%83%88%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AE%E5%8A%B9%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6?p=272269#post272269

[Vandheer]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20369-%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%96%E9%96%93%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8A%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B%E3%83%88%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AE%E5%8A%B9%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6?p=272269#post272269

-_- Drives me nuts having to dig through the japanese forum for info like this. Thanks for sharing the exact link. I do wish the dev team would share this info with us so we can comment that Dipper and Faithful are supposed to be thieves! Thief already gets a much higher treasure hunter bonus then these 2 pets. If they wanted to make Rangers have a higher treasure hunter they should actually GIVE ranger treasure hunter not reduce Dipper and Faithful's treasure hunter. Furthermore as pets that are supposed to be thieves they should have more treasure hunter then people subbing thief because the 2 pets happen to be thieves and us beastmaster are spending our call beast to call them thus keeping everything in check because we don't have treasure hunter full time.

Anyone wanna go post on the japanese forum? :D

[FrankReynolds]

-_- Drives me nuts having to dig through the japanese forum for info like this. Thanks for sharing the exact link. I do wish the dev team would share this info with us so we can comment that Dipper and Faithful are supposed to be thieves! Thief already gets a much higher treasure hunter bonus then these 2 pets. If they wanted to make Rangers have a higher treasure hunter they should actually GIVE ranger treasure hunter not reduce Dipper and Faithful's treasure hunter. Furthermore as pets that are supposed to be thieves they should have more treasure hunter then people subbing thief because the 2 pets happen to be thieves and us beastmaster are spending our call beast to call them thus keeping everything in check because we don't have treasure hunter full time.

Anyone wanna go post on the japanese forum? :D

They just posted that last night. Camate will probably have it translated and posted in this thread by 3:00pm pst today.

[Tsuneo]

Also, there was no digging involved. If you hit the main dev tracker link, it shows the dev tracker for all the language forums.

[Vandheer]

They just posted that last night. Camate will probably have it translated and posted in this thread by 3:00pm pst today.

Nice. ^^ Time to get ready to copy and paste...


Also, there was no digging involved. If you hit the main dev tracker link, it shows the dev tracker for all the language forums.

Good point. :o

[Dreamin]

Week #6, still waiting for an official answer/clarifications from SE.

When are you going to unstuck your corporate head from sand and gives us an answer.

[Psxpert2011]

Week #6, still waiting for an official answer/clarifications from SE.

When are you going to unstuck your corporate head from sand and gives us an answer.

I'm really sure the community rep isn't much at liberty to ask, receive an answer and report back to the forums as well as he/she please. Not so much as working with but working for SE- seeing that PR still has issues, still they control the information that leave their office.

They may never reply for they think that they don't owe us anything. Anything they may say can be use against them in the "court of lols".

[Dreamin]

I'm really sure the community rep isn't much at liberty to ask, receive an answer and report back to the forums as well as he/she please. Not so much as working with but working for SE- seeing that PR still has issues, still they control the information that leave their office.

They may never reply for they think that they don't owe us anything. Anything they may say can be use against them in the "court of lols".

Yup but I can post here and keep asking until they either:
1. Give us an answer
2. Ban me
3. Close the forum

[Psxpert2011]

It's possible to implement Chloris, however, the development team mentioned it wouldn't be possible to use her (his?) special moves, i.e. Fatal Scream.

Also, for those that are asking for Toads, you do realize they do not have any special abilities, right? >.> You okay with that? lol


Man, tons of votes up in here!

After looking over each and every one of your posts, it's a super super close call between:

-Ruszor
-Slime

Please vote on one or the other and let's see which pet comes out on top :)

Close contenders are below:
-Hippogryph
-Karkinos
-Hanuman


All right, I am seeing people want to have a re-vote since almost all of you voted for multiple pets. We are going to this again (once and for all). Vote for ONE pet. I will tally in a couple days to see the result.

Unfortunately I can't really say at the moment what pet will do what, but assume that as long as it is not a special NM it will basically have the same properties as the original monster.

P.S.: If I see someone vote for more than one pet, I am going to take the one you list first by default, so please follow directions :) Thank you.


Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

Pets that we have been planning all along
Adamantoise
884
*The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

Apkallu
885
　
And... based on your feedback!
Hippogryph
886

We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!


For those of you who voted for scorpion, I understand your disappointment. However, please realize that though this was the number one pick for EN players, this selection was based off of all regions. Also, please keep in mind that the dev. team needs to consider all aspects of potential implementation and therefore has to make the final call themselves.

Trust me when I say that your feedback is not a waste of time and you are not being ignored. I make sure that your opinions are properly conveyed to the development as best as I can and I continue to work with them, following up when necessary, to bring them updates and any new suggestions you have.



________________________




Week #6, still waiting for an official answer/clarifications from SE.

When are you going to unstuck your corporate head from sand and gives us an answer.


Or:

SirCamate or Bayohne dude,

Why did you even begin to post if it didn't make a difference. Seeing that you work for SE and is afraid of getting fired(which I don't know would be legal), your are our "community rep", act like one! Stop being a puppet and posting just to safe face for SE, it's pathetic excuse for Public Relations of any company( as in all other companies will seem to display the same behavior).

Get off your lazy ass, open you note-pad, open your mouth, send an e-mail, exercise your right to free speech and grill SE and the dev team! Come back here and post once you've completed you mission! Dismissed soldier!!

[Dreamin]

Week #7.

Good morning Camate,

Any change of heart from SE regarding this issue? Or SE is trying to figure out where all the rage from their playerbase are coming from regarding the latest failedupdate?

Either way, just a reminder that some of us are still here waiting and actually expecting an answer @ some point in time.

[Psxpert2011]

Much cool-down period...

_Maybe you should try a subtle approach and let this one slide. Start a new thread and suggest new Bst pet/ abilities or something. Let this one go but keep an eye on it as reference.

If this is Square Enix's PR method, let it haunt them while the community stays cool about it. A game's a game and it's their show. If you don't hold any grudges then move forward and enjoy Final Fantasy playing with your friends.

[Binahel]

ok I might be a bit late but...
what about a lovely Poroggo pet?
with a cute purple hat?
(*°∀°)=3

[Lastranger]

Where is our callable Chocobo ? , the bst job quest starts with a beastmaster and his chocobo.

To be honest i wouldnt mind if it was a special quest at 99 to gain acces to chocobo of color and name of own choice ( or just deliver raised chocobo certificate for ur own color raised pet)
Should just have em give u a Call chocobo command that shares timer with call pet, but that uses the ordinary ghysela greens each time u use it.

And make the pet a bst job so it has all monster terror corelations instead of bird only.
It wiould be uniqe as i belive no beast beastmasters get a chocobo.

Posible Tp moves could be : Beak rush , a 3-5 attack with chocobo beak.
Chocobo Stampeed , ur chocobo calls local chocobo to join in a stampeed on mob.
Terror Kweeh! , a quick short lasting terror move just like bst main terror.
Feather barrier , ( same as Roc's do ) increase evasion.
Battle Kweeh! , self Buff, adds 25% haste/ 15% DA for next 3 min on chocobo.

And to further boost the chocobo u would get a few special Pet ability's in command line when chocobo is called.

Treasure dig : does the same as u can do on mounted chocobo dig for treasure at coste of 1 ghysela green pr use.

Berserk chocobo stance : Turns chocobo into an attacker pet reducing defence but increasing Str/attack + adds 10% haste/10% DA / Store tp +25.

Knight chocobo stance : Turns chocobo into a tank, reducing attack but increasing Vit/defence + adds -25% Damage Taken. / Light spikes / Evasion +25

And a special Pet ability only usable under effect of 2 hour.
Feral link : adds any buff u have onto pet + stats from your gear as worn ,effect last 30 min or until familiair wears
This special ability would be unlocked with chocobo quest but be usable with all call beasts.

The chocobo should get 9999HP and all standard Bst JT and as a bonous there should be a pet trainer u can give war paint and beak armour to buff ur chocobo's looks so it can look armoured. ( this should be for looks only though )

i mean come on , we all want a chocobo as pet ^^ when we think about it and making it the bst equivilant of merit spell/relic pet. just dont make it insainly imposible to attain, just make it a good quest with a fun story.

[Camiie]

ok I might be a bit late but...
what about a lovely Poroggo pet?
with a cute purple hat?
(*°∀°)=3


They're Beastmen I think, and I'm not sure we'd do very will with a caster type pet. We're just not built for it. If they did add a Poroggo it'd just be a higher level version of the useless toad they already gave us.

I'd still rather have the scorpion. For the life of me I'd love to know why the devs didn't make us one. If we can't have it at least tell us why with something other than "balance."

[Dreamin]

Hello Camate,

Just to let you know some of us still waiting for that clarifications from SE.

[Economizer]

As you may all know, Slippery Silas is the single best pet in the game. But SE is looking to make it more accessible by having NPCs sell it in addition to the recipe as mentioned here:




Wormy Broth

Macchi Gazlitah (Ru'Lude Gardens, H-9)


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If you wish to discuss or submit feedback on this topic, please use the [dev1098] tag.

Now, I hate to add on to SE's long workload but I would like to have a slightly reskinned and renamed version of Slippery Silas that at the least lasts longer that can be produced from a HQ version of the Wormy Broth recipe. I know this will take a lot of work to do and take a lot of... what's that dat miners? There is a reskinned version of the common frog?

http://i.imgur.com/78KGM.jpg

Wow SE, this frog looks so cool! Please add this as a HQ version of Slippery Silas.

[Camiie]

As you may all know, Slippery Silas is the single best pet in the game. But SE is looking to make it more accessible by having NPCs sell it in addition to the recipe as mentioned here:

Now, I hate to add on to SE's long workload but I would like to have a slightly reskinned and renamed version of Slippery Silas that at the least lasts longer that can be produced from a HQ version of the Wormy Broth recipe. I know this will take a lot of work to do and take a lot of... what's that dat miners? There is a reskinned version of the common frog?

Wow SE, this frog looks so cool! Please add this as a HQ version of Slippery Silas.


This really isn't helpful. Knowing SE they'll take this seriously and actually spend development cycles on it rather than produce something useful.

/sigh If I wanted a "mascot" pet I would have played PUP. Not only is it a cute little robot that can dance and emote, it can actually do stuff... a lot of stuff!

Maybe SE wants to get in on the vanity pet market? I'm pretty sure this isn't how it works.

[Economizer]

This really isn't helpful. Knowing SE they'll take this seriously and actually spend development cycles on it rather than produce something useful.

I was completely serious and I would hope they take this seriously.

Evidence suggests they have the new skin for the frog already (and it looks totally awesome too) and it isn't like I'm asking for something that will take a significant amount of time like balancing a completely new pet. Additionally I think it is an issue that NPCs will sell this pet without crafters having a special HQ reward to compensate.

To help convince players of the merits of an HQ frog I will show you the picture the dat miners have provided us of the new blue frog again:

http://i.imgur.com/78KGM.jpg

[SpankWustler]

Assuming the frog counts as an Aquan and not a Lizard or a nothing, it has some value as a tool for Killer Instinct since it's the only level 99 Aquan we get. I won't lose sleep if a Development Bro wants to spend 15 minutes making a blue version named Slippier Skip or Sloppy Sam. They've certainly done far worse things which required far more time.

[Karbuncle]

Assuming the frog counts as an Aquan and not a Lizard or a nothing, it has some value as a tool for Killer Instinct since it's the only Aquan we get. I won't lose sleep if a Development Bro wants to spend 15 minutes making a blue version named Slippier Skip or Sloppy Sam. They've certainly done far worse things which required far more time.

Soupcan Sam!

[Camiie]

As far as pointlessness I'd rate the frog jug slightly above /bell commands. Very slightly.

[Psxpert2011]

They're Beastmen I think, and I'm not sure we'd do very will with a caster type pet. We're just not built for it. If they did add a Poroggo it'd just be a higher level version of the useless toad they already gave us.

I'd still rather have the scorpion. For the life of me I'd love to know why the devs didn't make us one. If we can't have it at least tell us why with something other than "balance."



They may not make good "pets" but I bet they make for good "summon". ;D

[Dreamin]

Hello Camate,

Another week gone by, another week of silence from SE. When will SE come clean with us?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Hello Camate,

Another week gone by, another week of silence from SE. When will SE come clean with us?Self denial of the truth wont change it.

[Frost]

Man, tons of votes up in here!

After looking over each and every one of your posts, it's a super super close call between:

-Ruszor
-Slime

Please vote on one or the other and let's see which pet comes out on top :)

Close contenders are below:
-Hippogryph
-Karkinos
-Hanuman

I just thought I'd bump this fiasco and ask one question.

How did we end up with a random fish?

[Xilk]

There was a huge long thread on jp bst forums asking for an aquan pet.

[deces]

I would like to see a Griffin or Ladybug jug with Treasure Hunter III.

[Bragii]

I want to recommend a non-weak-to-piercing-vermin jug-pet to be added Beetle,Antlion,Crawler,Scorpion any of those. To add strategic options.

[Caketime]

I would like to see a Griffin or Ladybug jug with Treasure Hunter III.

This made me lol so hard.

[Enochroot]

I'd like an Uragnite tank pet. High -DT & Regen, potent poison DOT, and double attack.

[Xilk]

Uragnite would be really cool. probaby get nerfed to oblivion though.
Those are nasty hard to fight.

I would love a pet which can do plague! Peiste: delta thrust ftw!!

[Psxpert2011]

Excuuuuuuuse me... is there a possibility to have a chigo pet, not just one out at a time but as a team of x3 chigoes!? ^^

Good for triple attacking a mob :P (guahahahahahahaaaa!)

[Luvbunny]

I would like to see a Griffin or Ladybug jug with Treasure Hunter III.

Yes please, I would like to have these jugs added back to the game.

[Leonardus]

I would love a pet which can do plague! Peiste: delta thrust ftw!!

I always wanted a raptor and SE gave me a raptor, so I'm not one to make demands here, but...a Peiste? That would be very cool!

Alternate vote: A puk that can use White Wind. >.>

[Cruentus]

Give beastmasters a dragon like the one that drops the bale choker. Make it also a steed.

DO IT.

[Delvish]

Give beastmasters a dragon like the one that drops the bale choker. Make it also a steed.

DO IT.

Dragoons everywhere /ragequit.

[Caketime]

And nothing of value was lost.

[Dauntess]

Gnats, Peiste, Urganite and Morbols come to mind right away. However, I would like to see them add every subspecies eventually.

[seya]

a fairy that can cast cure 4-5 curaga and other healing abilitys

[FrankReynolds]

a fairy that can cast cure 4-5 curaga and other healing abilitys

Also make it so that it never runs out of MP.

[Caketime]

If said healing abilities were Ready moves, then viola! Make the high end buff consume 3 charges and the others consume 1 or 2 depending on potency.

[Ophannus]

That Scorpion NM jug pet would have been so boss for BST. Sharp Strike is +50% attack for 3 minutes with no defense penalty and it could DEATH SCISSAS!

[Xilk]

Lets go for the moon. Want a super pet?

I want a behemoth!

[Caketime]

How's this for shooting the moon?

A pet with party/alliance targetable buffs.

[Ramaza]

I want a monkey pet like an Opo opo jug lol