What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

[Vagrua]

Ruszor plz

[xiozen]

Ruszor, yes

[Zatias]

Slime and Hippogryph!

Make the Hippogryph a THF!

[Ohji_Lunartail]

1. Slime
2. Hippogryph

[Kazene-Mizune]

based on the list, id say if there isn't a jug pet that can ready magic, id go for the Hecteyes. thatd open up some interesting opportunities.

if not that, then Chigoe provided they don't explode on being crit. theyd have to be a bit more sturdy. ive always wanted to chuck those lil guys at things. good memories ^_^.

Hippogryth is another good pick, as are any other monster we can't already bring out from the jugs, especially the exotic ones like the Ruszor, but those are my two picks. Hecteyes and Chigoe.

[Visari]

I feel like I'm choosing between two bowls of s**t here... I know I said ruszor as one of my alternative choices earlier but i still stand by my hecteyes choice or for Altana's sake give us a sea monk.

[Louispv]

Ruszor. You're going to nerf the slime all the hell.

[Shadowsong]

Well lets look at what determines what pet we use. Need damage? Use a pet with a crit hit tp move. Right now we have access to Rabbit, with a 1 charge crit hit ws, a massive 1 charge aoe damage, a single target paralyze, and an aoe curaga. It woukd be hard to find that arsenal on another jug.

Tiger may replace it, a scorpion definately would do more damage, but the Opo-Opo will do more damage, has a crit hit tp move, can dispel, and can cure itself. Pebble Throw! lol

Second choice would be Rukzor simply for the elemental resists.

Give us an Ixion :)

[Aldersyde]

Need more info on what would be changed on slimes and ruszors from their transition from wild mobs to jug pets to really make a decision. I'd honestly be happy with either. Both are nasty pieces of work in their own way. I only lean towards ruszors because I was really hoping for something unique for out last jugs.

[Shadowsong]

One the other hand, if Hippogryph was a THF Id vote for that over everything x1000 lol

[Arciel]

Slime for me.. BST could do with a fine high damage resistance jug outside of Abyssea for blood tanking. Voidwatch is punishing enough for BSTs as it is.

[Xilk]

Ruszors are way cooler than slimes by miles. Why would you want a little puddle of glop when you can have a giant walrus with massive fangs?

+1 Ruszors

Are so many players really voting based on what the model looks like???

Please Beastmasters, gamepay is so much more significant than the model of the pet!! The interaction of pet abilities and traits, THATS what will make the difference.

Slimes are nice pets, but really, WE have TONS of pets that can tank well (not to mention eta biscuits + dawn mulsum mean there are few situations we cannot keep pet alive indefinitely. ESPECIALLY when its just physical damage.... how much -pdt pet gear is there!!! slime will be completely worthless for tanking something that casts decent magic... if you want another tank.. get somethign w/ good magic resistance, but really, don't you want some better dd output and/or unique traits/abilities instead?!!?)

[Serj]

Bsts need a pet that can DD well. You can already do well enough for tanking with what you have. A slime will most likely get a nerf down to the point where you'd pick a mob that does more damage anyway despite dying slightly faster.

You already have a high eva/thf (TH) pet, which is the ladybug. Ruszor gives bst something they don't have already.

Also, the Adamantoise *is not* going to be a 2hr mob. It was stated to be a jug pet along with the apkallu around the 99 cap update. So it's already there for tanking. It was stated that Behemoth like mobs would be the 2hr pets for bst just like Alex/Odin are 2hr only for smn.

Ruszor is honestly the only way to go.

[Faithful]

"Since of course Behemoth and the four gods are quite popular, as we mentioned in the job concepts briefly, we would like to look into implementing these as a special type of pet similar to the avatars Odin/Alexander."

Camate mentioned this earlier in the thread. Don't vote based on the fact that you think the Genbu type mob they showed us will be a jugpet.

If Ruszors don't have their tp moves nerfed, or come with 3 charge uses then I'd vote for them. We really need more statistical info on these pets though. If for nothing else it would help avoid any future arguments within the beast community based upon who voted for what.

[Zatias]

You already have a high eva/thf (TH) pet, which is the ladybug.
That's like saying we don't need anymore damage dealing pets because we have the sheep.

I'd like the option to choose from different mob types even if we already do have a TH pet. Hippogryph is bird-type, and cool ;P Choke Breath and Nihility Song sound nice (though will be nerfed knowing SE), and let's not forget monster correlation.

Ecosystem advantages and jug diversity, yes please.

[Reiii]

My vote goes to Slime.

[MDenham]

Hecteyes. For that matter, give out two different Hecteyes jugs - one that's just like a normal one, and one that's lighter-colored and uses only white magic. (That second one would just be an entertaining mob to see added to the game in general. There aren't enough true-WHM mobs to fight out there.)

[Gotterdammerung]

Camate i think we need a re-vote. This topic is too sidetracked by misunderstandings and misinformation.

Most people don't even realize that you are only planning to implement 1 of these pets. And are voting for 5-6 pets.

Other people think your last message meant "pick between slime and ruszor" when it meant slime and ruszor have the most votes atm.

And ultimately none of us have enough details to make this decision.


Just in case, we don't get more info, or a recount.

Let me break it down for some of you.

I guarantee ruszor wont keep its magic shield and physical shield. Why would they nerf our DT just to give it back to us in the form of a TP move? And the slug shows us that they consider healing from a particular element to strong to leave unerfed. If your voting for ruszor its a vote driven by wishful thinking.

If you want pure DD you should be voting for SCORPION. I promise you it will be the highest DD jug we have ever had. The damage of jug pets is largely affected by pet attack. Sharp strike is a 50% atk boost that lasts for 4 min and 15 seconds. This is 2 times as strong as berserk from warrior without the defense down and lasts for a whole minute longer. On top of that, it has Death scissors wich is a nice single target, and wild rage wich is a nice AoE, while still maintaining many debuffs. And on a side note, scorpions are immune to poison. This makes several NMs that used to be troublesome due to poison auras, much easier.

If you want another evasion tank with MORE offense, then you should be voting for HIPPOGYPH

If you want another physical tank you should be voting for SLIME, (please keep in mind we have lots of physical tank options atm)

If you want a strong DD (not as strong as scorpion but still high DD) with utilitarian options then you should be voting for HANUMAN.

If you want a strong magic tank you should be asking for a CRAB (keeping in mind we already have lots of tanks)

Until Camate graces us with more info on the parameters of the pets on the master list, all the other pet options are pretty much red herrings and thus potentially wasted votes.

[Chopski]

• Hippogryph
• Scolopendrid (Scorpion)
• Hecteyes

[Mavrick]

I guarantee ruszor wont keep its magic shield and physical shield. Why would they nerf our DT just to give it back to us in the form of a TP move? And the slug shows us that they consider healing from a particular element to strong to leave unerfed. If your voting for ruszor its a vote driven by wishful thinking.


Agree with everything you said in your post, but I think it's too late at this point. Now we can justhope That SE doesn't remove the abilities and traits that most people are expecting these monsters to have in jug form, or at the very least reduce the effectiveness rather than completely removing them.

[Seha]

Opo-opo.

Monkeys. Monkeys everywhere.

[Choerilos]

Between these two I will vote Ruszor since I think we need a proper DD pet. Still a huge miss to not get Scorpion or his golden big brother though. But yeah, out of Ruszor and slime, Ruszor will do.

[xbobx]

"Since of course Behemoth and the four gods are quite popular, as we mentioned in the job concepts briefly, we would like to look into implementing these as a special type of pet similar to the avatars Odin/Alexander."

Camate mentioned this earlier in the thread. Don't vote based on the fact that you think the Genbu type mob they showed us will be a jugpet.

If Ruszors don't have their tp moves nerfed, or come with 3 charge uses then I'd vote for them. We really need more statistical info on these pets though. If for nothing else it would help avoid any future arguments within the beast community based upon who voted for what.

You are wrong Faithful, go look at the bst manifesto, it is clearly stated there they are adding The turtle mob to call beast.

h yeah...one more thing.
Now this is me talking about the future, but we have had a lot of request to use HNM monsters and have bird-type pets, so we are thinking it might be about to time to add these monsters to the arsenal of Call Beast:


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This bad boy is envisioned as being implemented as the size of the ones residing in Abyssea.


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Apkallu…

You probably are hoping for your own Colibri, eh?

[Minikom]

Slime


and


Karkinos

[Midnightstar]

Scolopendrid (Golden Scorpion)

But I want it to be able to use the HNM moves:
1. Hell Scissors - major damage with Critical chance
2. Stasis - damage + potent paralysis
3. Sharp Strike - 50% attack bonus
4. Evasion - 50% evasion bonus

[Toothedmeat]

Ruszor - Bigger the better!

[Nervosa]

Hippogryph or Ruzor, or just give Guttler access to Behemoth. Then no one will care about jugs just like no one charms anything anymore.

[Panthera]

Here's my vote: give us all of them!

No, seriously... why does it have to be this vs. that? Beastmaster should have a plethora of pets, calling the pet that's appropriate to the situation at hand, giving himself adaptability and versatility. The question is, which pets (plural) should we get, just each on an individual basis.

[SpankWustler]

If you want pure DD you should be voting for SCORPION. I promise you it will be the highest DD jug we have ever had. The damage of jug pets is largely affected by pet attack. Sharp strike is a 50% atk boost that lasts for 4 min and 15 seconds. This is 2 times as strong as berserk from warrior without the defense down and lasts for a whole minute longer. On top of that, it has Death scissors wich is a nice single target, and wild rage wich is a nice AoE, while still maintaining many debuffs. And on a side note, scorpions are immune to poison. This makes several NMs that used to be troublesome due to poison auras, much easier.

My vote goes towards "Scorpion" for all of these reasons and more. I expect any direct-damage Ready move to be more disappointing than the sight of myself naked, so Sharp Strike would be very nice to have even if the potency is reduced.

[Alhanelem]

Are so many players really voting based on what the model looks like??? This is SE we're talking about. I somewhat cast doubt that if you get slimes, you're going to get a super mega damage resist tank pet. Besides that, Ruszors don't exactly have crappy abilities.

The preceeding statement is an opinion, not to be interpreted as fact. Honestly, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't give both.

[Stabbytabby]

I think I need to go all in on a scorp(whichever one will get Sharp Strike). After thinking it over I don't trust SE to give me the semi-impervious fun factor of a slime. Or, if they do, it'll have 900hp.

Scorp, scorp, scorp. Based on the sheep, +attack works wonders.

[Atoreis]

So many BSTs don't even know their own job...

Read slowly few times what Gotterdammerung wrote on page 27.

If only this forum have more BST like him...

Scorpion is my vote atm because it's only pet for now that have lowest chance to be nerfed as jug pet.

All BSTs should make a walkout and refuse to vote till we get detailed info about the jug pets below:

slime
ruszor
hippogryph
scorpion
hanuman


@Xbobx You are very wrong sir. It was stated many times by Camato that information from manifesto is just ideas and major changes can be done with them. Genbu jug was introduced as any idea for a jug that evolved to another idea which is making all god types mob as a jugpets with mechanics similar to Odin/Alex. There is a reason why Camate always says something like "(*Please note that names and descriptions are under development and are subject to change.)" on the end of the note. Obviously I might be wrong with Genbu too but none said it's written in stone that turtle will or will not be implemented as normal jug pet so none should not assuming either and even more important none should make an decisions based on that assumption.

[Xilk]

So many BSTs don't even know their own job...

I'd so so many players...

Its not just bst Its not primarily bst at all.. I just think it sticks out more w/ a job as complex as bst.

btw, referencing a timestamp might be more useful than page number for a post... not everyone uses the same posts/page setting.

And I agreee. Scorpion type pet would fill holes in a BST's ability perhaps the best amongst the proposed pets.

[Atoreis]

btw, referencing a timestamp might be more useful than page number for a post... not everyone uses the same posts/page setting.


I don't think that would work either. My time is set as GMT+1. Anyway I don't think he will have any objection if I just quote him

Please BSTs read this several times


Camate i think we need a re-vote. This topic is too sidetracked by misunderstandings and misinformation.

Most people don't even realize that you are only planning to implement 1 of these pets. And are voting for 5-6 pets.

Other people think your last message meant "pick between slime and ruszor" when it meant slime and ruszor have the most votes atm.

And ultimately none of us have enough details to make this decision.


Just in case, we don't get more info, or a recount.

Let me break it down for some of you.

I guarantee ruszor wont keep its magic shield and physical shield. Why would they nerf our DT just to give it back to us in the form of a TP move? And the slug shows us that they consider healing from a particular element to strong to leave unerfed. If your voting for ruszor its a vote driven by wishful thinking.

If you want pure DD you should be voting for SCORPION. I promise you it will be the highest DD jug we have ever had. The damage of jug pets is largely affected by pet attack. Sharp strike is a 50% atk boost that lasts for 4 min and 15 seconds. This is 2 times as strong as berserk from warrior without the defense down and lasts for a whole minute longer. On top of that, it has Death scissors wich is a nice single target, and wild rage wich is a nice AoE, while still maintaining many debuffs. And on a side note, scorpions are immune to poison. This makes several NMs that used to be troublesome due to poison auras, much easier.

If you want another evasion tank with MORE offense, then you should be voting for HIPPOGYPH

If you want another physical tank you should be voting for SLIME, (please keep in mind we have lots of physical tank options atm)

If you want a strong DD (not as strong as scorpion but still high DD) with utilitarian options then you should be voting for HANUMAN.

If you want a strong magic tank you should be asking for a CRAB (keeping in mind we already have lots of tanks)

Until Camate graces us with more info on the parameters of the pets on the master list, all the other pet options are pretty much red herrings and thus potentially wasted votes.

[xbobx]

The chance of the turtle jug is very possible, they have it planned, yes it is true they may choose not to, but its a very very good chance it is in the 99 patch, that is exactly what he said. They add that tag line just incase even if very small they change it so people dont flip.

[Glamdring]

I'll take the turtle and apkallu on faith for now, it's been mentioned as a "by 99" thing and so we got time to have it rolled out, tested and the like. Got is right about a bunch here. We simply don't know enough to answer intelligently. The needs of bst are pretty easy to identify however. With the limited information available about what the jugs will be like all we really have to go on is the bst progression chart of x intimidates y. Given that, what we need are a fresh aquan and the avian we've always needed. Apkallu will satisfy the avian, but it looks like not in the next cap increase, assuming it actually happens at all.

The hole for bst is something that can deal with magic damage, and maybe deal it out, too. That's why I wanted a hecteyes-or something comparable-from the beginning of this discussion. Bst has plenty of tools to deal with the purely-or even primarily-physical mobs out there in the form of -pdt gear and the like. Magic? Yeah, that's our weakness, and it's a pretty broad one. The only real way to deal with it is to rebuild an alt gear set, and some of the pieces are "either/or". Even then, we simply can't get magic defense on par with the -pdt because the mechanics are simply different. Yes, we can use certain jugs to defend against 1 element, but if fighting a nuker mob they can simply change elements and all of a sudden fatso's up the proverbial fecal watercourse without a paddle. We need a generalist... or something that can cast shell on itself. Crab is a possibility, but I never liked foregoing damage simply to have some defense. Hippos and monkeys have always seemed able to take a good bit of magical damage without falling to pieces, but it doesn't address our need for something that can fight something resistant to all physical damage. I'm not really sure there is anything that addresses all those needs; hecteyes seems like the best fit, although a colibri with the magic reflection thing would also fit.

So I can't make a clear vote if we are limited to ruszor and slime. Chime in with whatever thoughts you have, I'd really like to see what others think here. It's just that to me ruszor and slime don't seem to address a real need so much as simply being placeholder jugs to give us something 90-95...

[Olor]

My top 3:

-Hectyes (we don't have enough amorphs)
-Orobon (we really need more aquans)
-Hanuman (torn here, we have SO MANY beast pets but I really want a monkey, and the bird you offered is meh)

But for the vote's sake:

Hanuman AS LONG AS IT GET'S MAGIC FRUIT a la Wild Carrot.

[Camate]

All right, I am seeing people want to have a re-vote since almost all of you voted for multiple pets. We are going to this again (once and for all). Vote for ONE pet. I will tally in a couple days to see the result.

Unfortunately I can't really say at the moment what pet will do what, but assume that as long as it is not a special NM it will basically have the same properties as the original monster.

P.S.: If I see someone vote for more than one pet, I am going to take the one you list first by default, so please follow directions :) Thank you.

[Kimara]

My vote would be for a slime pet..

Vote: Slime!

[Aldersyde]

Gonna go with Ruszor then.

[Aydindril]

Scorpion bro, I will repost my argument below for the recount's sake.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/t3hb34n/moosh.png

*edit
*Someone* said I needed a new argument. Sorry, here you go.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/t3hb34n/logisticallythisdoesntwork.png

[Annalise]

I vote Scorpion!

[Asymptotic]

Ruszor! :)

[Nosboh]

Vote is for the slime.

[Pippy]

I'm voting for the scorpion because if I don't a certain someone will probably kill me.

[Zatias]

Hippogryph THF. Please.

[Valmur]

Ruszor for my vote

[Jamesy]

ruszor please

[Granny]

I vote Ruszor.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

So that means Slime will have the resistance, sweet!!!!!

Slime then.

[Ophannus]

Scorpion since it'll be an incredible DD.

[Gotterdammerung]

Scorpion!!










Tally is 6 scorp 4 ruszor 3 slime 1 hippo woohoo its a hot race.

[Hayward]

Ruszor, hands down.

[Atoreis]

vote: Scorpion

[Mavrick]

Vote: Gold Scorpion (Scolopendrid)
- As an added bonus let them retain Auto-Regain during earth weather. drools :p

[Phafi]

vote: Ruszor

[darkhorror]

anyone know how much Ruszors lowers def tp move lowers def by?

[MDenham]

Hecteyes, folks.

[Miroku_Asura]

vote: Ruszor!

[Elredina]

Vote for the Ruszor

[Prothscar]

Ruszor! I am the eggman, I am the eggman...

[Unctgtg]

My vote: a smn pet of Camate

[Vagrua]

Ruszor . .

[Koroma]

Unfortunately I can't really say at the moment what pet will do what, but assume that as long as it is not a special NM it will basically have the same properties as the original monster.

IF it has FROZEN MIST :cool:

i vote Ruszor

[Mirage]

I'm not a lv90 bst (yet), but when I become one, I would probably prefer a scorpion. So if my vote still counts, that's my vote.

[Zirael]

Slime
0123456789

[Atoreis]

Scorpion is at least a big chance to get what we want. High att pet that would be great DD. Ruszor even unchanged has enough TP moves to just make it w/o most desired ones. I guess having control over something that looks like Ruszor is just to much tempting for ppl to think clearly. I just hope not to see a giant rage after they implement it. Anyway I'm fooling myself anyway that they will make a pet that NA choose unless on JP forum they will choose the same XD

[wolfshadow]

Slime! :D
can at least pretend you're encasing tarus in gelatin

[Greyman]

Scorpion! Everybody loves them right?

[Valmonti]

i vote Ruszor

[Calamity]

Ruszor go!

[Falkirk]

Scorpion, please!

[Areola]

Scorpion ftw

Fun fact: Ruszors are lame

[kewitt]

Need a min of 10 charaters...
Slime!

[Selzak]

Since I won't be able to get my opo-opo, Scorpion/Scolopendrid

(After votes are tallied, if scorpion wins can you please ask us which we prefer? Kinda confusing with both there- maybe you could tell us the difference. If there is none, I'd definitely prefer a gold one.)

[Theomega]

Slime, big pets are to annoying

[Minikom]

My vote is for: slime

[Dann]

Hmm...after careful consideration, I vote Scorpion!

[xiozen]

Ruszors <yes, please>

[Brentt]

Scorpion please!

[Gotterdammerung]

looks like 16 ruszhor 14 scorpion 9 slime 1 hecteye 1 hippo is the count atm
Atoreis was unclear who he voted for so i didnt count it and Darkhorror just asked a question so didnt count him as a vote either.

Looks like its gonna be close.

(at least til i give my petshell members a bus ride to the voting booths)

[Juri_Licious]

Scorpion
Wanted to vote for something else but it's too late for that. So out of the popular votes Scorpion.

[Leonlionheart]

Ruszor Ruszor

[Alhanelem]

Ruszor again.

[Zanh]

hippogryph

[Toothedmeat]

Ruszor <Yes, Please>

[Zoner]

moogle... what? >.>

[Draginhikari]

Scorpion {Can I have it?}

[Windermere]

Ruszor. While the scorpion and slime are appealing, we're lacking a decent pet that is also resistant to ice.

[Bubeeky]

Ruszor!!! (and can we talk about using jug pets as mounts? I just know I'll have the strong urge to ride the walrus into battle :D)

[Gannon]

I vote for scorpion.

[geekgirl101]

Scorpion would be nice.

[Mnejing]

Scorpion.....

[Bacraude]

Scorpion sounds good.

[Xilk]

I said it before: Scorpion.

Oh, and its not hard to make the model not so huge. there ARE smaller scorpion's in the game. Look at abyssea Attohwa.

[Gotterdammerung]

in nature, the smaller the scorpion, the more deadly the venom. (p.s. should be even steven count for scorp and ruszor atm, everything else is waaay behind.)

[Faithful]

Put me down for Scorpion. And please PLEASE make him easy to craft!

[Ank]

Scorpion/scolopendrid.

[Zhronne]

Vote: Karkinoss

I want a heir for Courier Carrie! :( :(

[Limecat]

Scorpion, then.

[Samosa]

Ruszor please

[Zarabi]

I vote Ruszor.

[Abazaba]

Ruszor!
Epic bet for an epic wind!

[SilentTeK]

Slime please.

[Dew]

Ruszor pet.

[Faithful]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why so many people who don't even have Bst leveled are voting in this thread. This vote needs to made by people who know how to play this job. If you don't have Bst please don't screw this up for the rest of us with an uninformed opinion.

[Arciel]

votes not looking too good but I still want

SLIME.

[Ragni]

Vote: Scorpion!

[Atoreis]

inb4:
-Get me in ally I have new cool looking pet Ruszor!
-Can it do something good?
-Yeah it can physical or magical shield every 3min for 30 sec!
-But can it do damage?
-Hmmm ofc it can like all my pets!
-So it can't, I'm sorry should have choose Scorpion.
- ; ;

[Seha]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why so many people who don't even have Bst leveled are voting in this thread. This vote needs to made by people who know how to play this job. If you don't have Bst please don't screw this up for the rest of us with an uninformed opinion.
Many people may have tried the job on test server and thus know how it works/what it needs.

[Crocker]

Set up a proper poll where you can vote, this is just sad.

Is this 1 vote out of the 2 you broke in down to or the full list?
If its just the 2 I pick the Slime.
If its the Full List I choose the Opo-Opo.

[Atoreis]

Many people may have tried the job on test server and thus know how it works/what it needs.

In fact some ppl w/o BST lvled knows better than many BSTs who want to have "cool looking" pet that you can use as mount lol.

BST need a good damage pet or will never exceed the boundaries of pet LSs.

[Juri_Licious]

I rather have something cool than something hideous.
Just sayin'

[Pyrobunny]

Ruszor ftw

[Byukia]

Scorpion + feed it unsuspecting Galka = Transforms into Hedjedjet.

[Faithful]

Many people may have tried the job on test server and thus know how it works/what it needs.
It takes much more than a few weeks and a magic level 95 button to know how to play a job correctly.

[Visari]

Hanuman please

[Atoreis]

It takes much more than a few weeks and a magic level 95 button to know how to play a job correctly.

This argument is old and only valid in 50% on lower.

I have seen so many bad players that were playing the job for years that I am convinced that time of playing is just small part of understanding the job's nature and needs. Good player will catch it in few days, bad player wont catch it ever.

[Korriri]

It takes much more than a few weeks and a magic level 95 button to know how to play a job correctly.

No it doesn't.

And I vote Pixie

[Malthar]

'Made to choose, I choose the scorpion.

Hmmm... Close call.
On one hand, the Ruszor seems more survivable, but on the other the scorpion has soooo many TP moves that it's veritably a weapon cache on 4 legs (with a stinger for a tail).

Ruzors are aquans. We're already getting the slug that can immediately remove 10% from any mob, as well as give attack and defense down.
Scorpions are vermin. We have Yuley for that and he (or she) is a great evasion tank.

Hmmm... Tough choice.

Why the hell can't we have both?! lol
And throw in the slime for good measure.

[Bigboy]

My Vote: Slime!

[Ophannus]

Scorpion will actually make BST viable for NON SOLO. AKA END GAME CONTENT

[Atoreis]

Scorpion will actually make BST viable for NON SOLO. AKA END GAME CONTENT

Yeah but BSTs like to suffer of being lonely and left on their own it seems. They found it cooler to have their own ghetto and make some epeen with low damage taken with their jugs instead of join everyone else with endgame :roll:

[Soulshadow]

I'm voting for Slime.

[SpankWustler]

A vote for Scorpion is a vote for gigantic insects. I approve of gigantic insects.

[Barrinhos]

I vote for Scorpion.

Aydindril makes a very strong point in that post.

[Ruikia]

Ruzsor.
Or a Toad.

[Zaknafein]

Only one..... I say Scorpion! Make it so Camate :)

[deces]

If I cant have a slime give me a mog named Camate, so I can watch it get ate when I'm feeling blue

[Sharnak]

Ruszor. since i so pain to solo it ep on my 90 blu. and found it cheat tough.
And I think slime is pain death on most lately nm with it weakness to magic damage.

[larrymc]

Scorpion, and pls don't nerf it too much for us.

[deces]

Ruszor. since i so pain to solo it ep on my 90 blu. and found it cheat tough.
And I think slime is pain death on most lately nm with it weakness to magic damage.

Drink much?

[xbobx]

Or english isn't his first language, show some respect.

[Seyes]

Vote : Slime !

[PandyTwi]

go go Volcanic Crab~

[kenshyn]

Ruszor

please

[Aydindril]

I would regularly send my Camate on suicide missions against the worst horrors Vana'diel has to offer, and I wouldn't mind the price at all.

That's so mean :(

[Chilloa]

My vote is for Scorpions... assuming it's the Gold ones. I've played around with the others ones way too much.

[Caketime]

That's so mean :(

I think it would do wonders for my stress.

[Gallus]

If I had to pick one, it's scorpion.

That said, we should really just get all three, as they're very different and fill various rolls: DD - Scorp, Physical tank - Slime, Support - Ruszor.

[SubDragon]

I pick Slime

gonna go with something safe that can't really be f'd over too much like the others

[Rylet]

Vote for scorpion(gold skinned preferred if that matters in the end)

[Vizardx]

Ill Vote Gold Scorp!

[Aarahs]

I've got to say slime for now, though I'd like to see every non-beastman mob type as a pet eventually. Even a worm type (maybe in it's own self-propelled pot with wheels, haha).

[xbobx]

I pick Slime

gonna go with something safe that can't really be f'd over too much like the others

you do realize that is the one that has the best chance of getting f'd over the most right?

[Choerilos]

Seems Scorpion is more popular than Slime and Ruszor now. Can we PLEASE make this happen? Preferably a golden one named AriArachnid. That would probably bump up BST to my main job. In case it isn't clear: Scorpion (Gold if possible, but any will do) gets my vote. Nothing else comes close.

If he gets a unique draw-in ability called "Get over here!" SE can take all my gil.

Edit: Got to say a worm on wheels would be hot.

[Visari]

In fact some ppl w/o BST lvled knows better than many BSTs who want to have "cool looking" pet that you can use as mount lol.

BST need a good damage pet or will never exceed the boundaries of pet LSs.

Really? I've yet to meet one person that does not play bst that knows more about the job than myself.

[Echlin]

Scorpion

Maybe give it a different color scheme.

[Limecat]

Scorpion

Maybe give it a different color scheme.

Like purple, with pink stars on it.

[xbobx]

A dark rust colour, or how about an albino scorp with red eyes.

[Glamdring]

hecteyes, for all the reasons I laid out before... I want 1, yes just 1 pet that can deal with magic, instead of the surrent count of... 0! and I can pretty much guarantee ruszor won't get the magic shield, at least not past the strength of shell. We can't even get a lizard with baleful gaze, you think they'll honestly give us that?!

[Stabbytabby]

Scorp, ideally gold one, but, whichever one gets Sharp Strike.
It's a better attack boost than a L90 Mythic for your pet, you all should want this. ;)

[Panthera]

Provided that this doesn't effect our getting Adamantoise pet one way or the other, than my vote is:

Scorpion.

If it does, I want Adamantoise.



PS: I realize that the reason for a vote may entail developer time, and they can't just give us 2000 pets in one update. I would like to think we'll continue to get new pets, even after we've been 99 for awhile.

[butta]

lets see some beastmen!!

[Kari]

So that means Slime will have the resistance, sweet!!!!!

Slime then.

Slugs are healed by water, new slug pet isn't.
I don't really trust the pets having the same statistics, but I'd hope they'd keep that in for slime....

Either way, I want Ruszor because it's the only neat looking mob on the list. And it also is rarely seen, not many of them in the game.

[Lordscyon]

vote: Scorpion



^^Taru BST^^

[Xilk]

uhmmm yeah... slimes are WEAK to magic... not resistant...

[Masamunai]

Ruszor (bloodtank jug)
Scolopendrid (DD jug)
Hanuman (all-around jug)
Hecteye (casting jug)
Unique pet for Guttler/Aymur is an excellent idea

... but most importantly before speaking about new jugs:
Ready TPmoves are really really WEAK WEAK WEAK as soon as the mob gets respectable stats. Hitting 500dmg grand maxi compared to an avatar or a pup who can deal "normal" dmg, is a disrespect to BST. The case of Abyssea is particularly clear: i can rampage for 2k+ np but any of my jugs ready for 600dmg max...
If i'm farming EasyPrey monsters outside abyssea, only then i can see ready TPmoves do comparable damage to my rampages... conclusion: Ready TPmove = farming only LOOOOOOOL ???!

Also, any explanation about this tendency from devs to neglect more and more the charm aspect of BST ?
Would it allow too much abuses ? Too hard to test ?

[Louispv]

Well, if they keep the abilities of the original monster, definitely ruszor.

Severing fang is a 2 hit ws AND inflicts def-. That's a good enough reason to vote ruszor, but then adding that they hit like a truck and might be keeping their shield abilities, that's a definite powerhouse, right there. Plus it'd be another element our pet can resist. Ruszors will hopefully resist Ice like yuly does wind, merle does earth, and fargann/gerard do water. That's half the elements covered, (and light and dark enemies are damn rare bringing us to 6/8 elements) so I'm cool with that.

Heck, even if they remove the physical shield from frozen mist, aoe ice damage, aoe dispel and aoe terror in one move? That's fantastic. And I doubt they'd remove the magic shield from Hydro blast, as they gave it to BLU. It's just a stronger stoneskin in exchange for only absorbing magic damage.

They're more likely to remove Hydro wave since the pet being healed by water is too powerful for a pet, according to the slug, and enemies don't wear armor anyway.

[barathorn]

Im going with the scorpion

his name should be something cool and witty...hmmm
spent a bit and couldnt come up with anything yet ill repost if i do

[Ezekieal]

Im going with the scorpion

his name should be something cool and witty...hmmm
spent a bit and couldnt come up with anything yet ill repost if i do

PoisonousPatricia!

[Choerilos]

PoisonousPatricia!

StingyStan!

[Aydindril]

Zippy Ziggy.

[Crawlerbasher]

Vote: Crawler

[darkhorror]

I will go with Ruszor

[Gotterdammerung]

lol

Crawlerbasher voting for a Crawler made me chuckle.

Gonna be bashing your own pet?

tee-hee (p.s. Galka tee-hee's are manly >,.>)

[Agetos]

I vote for a Ruszor

[Keinn]

Guess if I can only choose 1, and opo-opo would be like throwing away my vote...
Scorpion TP moves are wicked, and useful in a pure DD situation. Ruszor is unique looking, and probably a decent tank.

I'm gonna vote Scorpion. Death Scissors on command sounds fun.

[Cosma]

I vote for Scorpion.

[Logandor]

Scorpion --DeathSlasher666
:)

[Likennyenken]

Go Go Scorpion!

[Raka]

Vote for: Slime
Deals enough damage, has a native -Physical Damage Taken of roughly 50%, access to a strong Area Attack and Single-target Attack, access to HP Drain attack, and shall dominate all life on Vana'diel! What more could a Beastmaster ask for?! This was a long time dream to have a Slime Jug Pet since I began my long journey, years ago!

As for the name for it...One idea that came to mind was: SilentSlick. Will post more as I think of them.

[Endoq]

vote: Scorpion

[Atoreis]

Vote for: Slime
Deals enough damage, has a native -Physical Damage Taken of roughly 50%, access to a strong Area Attack and Single-target Attack, access to HP Drain attack, and shall dominate all life on Vana'diel! What more could a Beastmaster ask for?! This was a long time dream to have a Slime Jug Pet since I began my long journey, years ago!

As for the name for it...One idea that came to mind was: SilentSlick. Will post more as I think of them.

You mean the drain attack that drains ~150hp? The single attack that will deal ~300 and AoE that will do ~300? No self buffs, low HP? I cant think about anything else than holding physical hitting mobs forever to get even more rage from all ppl waiting to kill. All serious NMs now has magical TP moves that will make slime vaporize. It was only BSTs dream because at 75 while duo or solo Slime pet was best to kill regular IT w/o switching your pet that often. For endgame it's a very poor choice.

[Nehalania]

I vote slime then.

I'd like others like scorp and hippogryph, wish they could implement 3 or 4 of the pets instead of 1 that way everyone can be satisfied.

[Draeqon]

Voting for slime.

[xbobx]

man the people voting for slime could end up with us getting one of the worst jugs in game.

[Atoreis]

man the people voting for slime could end up with us getting one of the worst jugs in game.

Might as well be BST haters that want worst for us or noobs that have no idea of game mechanic. Popularity contest really is a worst way to balance the game but nothing I can do about it.

[Gotterdammerung]

You mean the drain attack that drains ~150hp? The single attack that will deal ~300 and AoE that will do ~300? No self buffs, low HP? I cant think about anything else than holding physical hitting mobs forever to get even more rage from all ppl waiting to kill. All serious NMs now has magical TP moves that will make slime vaporize. It was only BSTs dream because at 75 while duo or solo Slime pet was best to kill regular IT w/o switching your pet that often. For endgame it's a very poor choice.

Firstly, lets clear something up. Slimes dont have weakness to magic. They have slightly lower Mdef. Theres a big difference. The difference will hardly be noticeable. Meanwhile, the difference in pdt outside abyssea will be very noticeable.

Secondly, this is a bst section of the forums, so take your "parties have more rights than soloists" attitude and shove it. Everyone has an equal right to play this game however they want to and at whatever speed they want to. And the idea that a group killing something in 5 minutes has more right than a group or soloist who takes 40 minutes is just flawed logic.
Its that kind of reasoning that leads societies to immoral eugenics programs and massive death camps.


Thirdly, jug pets never get the HP they are supposed to. The slime might have a lot of hp. Even if its low hp it will be low like dipper wich isnt bad at all considering its higher than a players hp.

Fourthly, jug pet tp moves never match up in damage to their natural counterparts much in the same way bluemage spells hardly match up. Ive never seen a wild rabbit do a 2k whirl claws, have you? Point is we got no clue what kind of damage a slimes TP moves will do.

And for that matter we don't know anything about ANY of these choices because the devs want us to make a blind choice motivated by fear, skepticism, or faith and full of stress, loathing and dread. (thanks devs)
So its not exactly fair to rip on anyone for wanting anything at this point.

I didn't vote for slime but it was basically because i picked the pet i thought SE would mess with the least. Not because there is something wrong with slime. Most of these list pets have the potential of being really strong. And at this point that is all it is, Potential.

Lastly, if you took the time to count the votes, you would see that slime is soo far behind ruszor that it is highly unlikely it will win the most votes. Especially since ruszor is a good ways behind scorpion. Slime would have to be the come back king to win at this point, jumping from 3rd place to first and accumulating like double its votes, and thats assuming scorp and ruszor just flat out stopped getting votes.

[Fadnog]

I vote Scorpion.

[Istabpeople]

Ruszor \o.o/

[Raka]

You mean the drain attack that drains ~150hp? The single attack that will deal ~300 and AoE that will do ~300? No self buffs, low HP? I cant think about anything else than holding physical hitting mobs forever to get even more rage from all ppl waiting to kill. All serious NMs now has magical TP moves that will make slime vaporize. It was only BSTs dream because at 75 while duo or solo Slime pet was best to kill regular IT w/o switching your pet that often. For endgame it's a very poor choice.

Sounds like trolling cause of my opinion. c.c And for the record, I've seen some potent TP attacks from Slime against other monsters within the same level range as charmed pet for about 700~. When you say "All -serious- NMs now have Magical TP moves", did you remember we can just brush that off w/ Reward for most cases? Are you implying "All series -Abyssea- NMs" only?

Let's look at it from this perspective. Slime keeping it's natural -50% PDT trait...used with Anwig Salade (Pet: PDT -10%) and the two Pet: PDT -10% Axes, and Stout Servant + from Emp legs...getting roughly -85% PDT on it now.. So unless something can one-shot the Slimes entire HP bar(highly unlikely in most cases) with magic...you're gonna have a well defended pet that can deal enough damage still on it's own. This pet needs no "self-buffs" being it's natural trait is -50% PDT. I would like to know of which NMs you speak that you consider as "serious", lol. Please enlighten me. ^.^

We're uncertain of how potent the attacks will be however once it has been added so I can understand your "concern".
My guess is we'll be looking forward to a decent range of 500~800 damage from Fluid Toss or Fluid Spread.

Point here is: I made my vote, I stated my reasons, you made your vote, you trolled my vote because it was simply different. Please learn to respect others decisions and keep your By all means though, feel free to keep trolling people for their votes/opinions. Good job! ^.^/


Might as well be BST haters that want worst for us or noobs that have no idea of game mechanic. Popularity contest really is a worst way to balance the game but nothing I can do about it.

Once more you are trolling people for their personal opinions, and I would like to thank Gotterdammerung for a more professional explanation in his post.

[Ophannus]

Go Slime if you BSTs wanna remain soloers for the rest of your existence. Choose Scorp if you actually wanna contribute to endgame meaningfully for once.

[Raka]

Go Slime if you BSTs wanna remain soloers for the rest of your existence. Choose Scorp if you actually wanna contribute to endgame meaningfully for once.

Troll elsewhere, please? The poll was made to take each individuals personal opinion/vote, not to hate on people for what they should or should not choose. Besides, I can't remember the last time I was ever asked to do a group activity as Beastmaster...when I am capable of using a healing class, tank class, and so forth. Not saying Beastmaster is useless for group activities...but let's be honest now. Do you ever bother asking someone to come to a group event as Beastmaster anyways?

So don't criticize someones choice for a new Jug Pet. Just simply vote for what you would like to see and let that be the end of it. How disappointing will this be if the Scorpion doesn't even meet everyones expectation for damage? Just using this as an example, but are you assuming it's going to be popping off a 1~2k Death Scissors at the cost of 1 charge every moment it gets TP? Let's be a little realistic.

With all due respect, the point here is so that we can vote for what we would like to see, please refrain from trolling people because of their choices.

[jjmyst]

charmable abby mobs......yes please.

[Glamdring]

Go Slime if you BSTs wanna remain soloers for the rest of your existence. Choose Scorp if you actually wanna contribute to endgame meaningfully for once.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean here. Bst can contribute in a major way to a party, we just don't NEED to wait for a party if we choose not to.

I run an Aby LS. I recently did my -pet pdt axes and got DG (was a low priority since I always ran as a brd), and since then have been coming bst. I have pet tank anything but the magic spam-happy mobs and the rest of the LS is on proc duty. Thus, the entire LS lives AND we don't have the crap drops from essentially being unable to proc anything that I do solo. The whole group benefits. The same holds true in Dynamis where I can have a pet hold stuff until the rest of the group can join me. Same in salvage. Even better in GoV since I can finally charm again. If you think bst can't contribute in end-game you obviously have alot to learn; it's a choice, not a lack of ability.

Now, as to the person speculating 7-800 damage specials from slimes? What do you base that on? The pattern is to top out at about 600 on the jugs since 75 and usually alot less. And I'm sorry to say but all jug pets seem to be nerfed compared to their wild counterparts. Granted, slime would be a great pet IF they gave us one that was equivalent to a wild slime of the same level, but I find it highly doubtful based on the developer's history with our jugs.

Same holds true for Scorp; it's doubful Sharp Strike would be any stronger than sheep Rage (however, given the natural proclivity to attack of scorp the numbers WOULD end up higher, just not by much). Scorps also have crappy eva and their defense is a bad joke at best. Not to mention we have no need of yet another vermin pet.

Aquan is a gap in our present jugs and most of us are still plenty familiar with crab pets... not that I really care for them. Avian has always been a gap, but we will supposedly have Apkallu so that will cover that. If we get the slug, coupled with the leech we already have amorph is nicely coverred. Hecteyes is also an amorph, but the reason I voted for it was the hole in our arsenal for dealing with magic. However, the lack of ability to deal with magic by bst is I think by design as a game balance thing, so even if we got one it probably wouldn't cast. If you have to fight a magic mob you're gonna be stuck with the coeurls for silence/para. Ruszor could be a good magic pet IF the magic shield ability isn't completely nerfed down to just shell levels.

Whatever, my vote remains hecteyes, so it really doesn't count based on the current numbers

[Raka]

Now, as to the person speculating 7-800 damage specials from slimes? What do you base that on? The pattern is to top out at about 600 on the jugs since 75 and usually alot less. And I'm sorry to say but all jug pets seem to be nerfed compared to their wild counterparts. Granted, slime would be a great pet IF they gave us one that was equivalent to a wild slime of the same level, but I find it highly doubtful based on the developer's history with our jugs.

If you reread my post it was an estimate of 500~800, not 700~800. Only an estimate. And according to rumors I've heard, the Slime will retain it's native physical damage trait. I'm also very well aware that Jug Pets will not be equal to the natives.

Please read posts carefully next time. If you can show me otherwise regarding the Slime and their Physical Damage reduction trait, please do so.

[Glamdring]

the slime pdt trait I simply base on the pattern with past jugs. example, leeches have damage resistance, to blunt iirc. However, I have charmed leeches AND i have used Fatso in the same area, the resistance is higher on the charmed leech, in fact Fatso's resistance is almost non-existant.

as to the 7-800, that was a typo, but I still think any damage off a TP attack in excess of maybe 600 is highly unlikely based on the jugs and their TP moves they've given us so far. if it was only 1 jug that was limited to such low numbers I might go along with that estimate, but it's EVERY jug, unless you are fighting something weak to the TP move's form of damage... THAT'S a pattern. Actually, getting much past 350 without something to buff the damage seems pretty rare (excepting Abyssea where all the game mechanics are so screwy [especially given the various Atmas that can be used] that you can't really make a damage statement without qualifying it with your gear/atma set from a sepcified pet on a specified prey). Don't get me wrong, IF the -pdt stays slime would give us a similar tank pet as we get in aby from a -pet pdt set and DG atma... assuming it can do enough damage to hold hate.

Of course by that logic ruszor would be better since ready would let us choose a -pdt or -mdt set-up. I just don't believe they would ever give us something that strong. Given their nerf pattern I doubt any resistance trait-especially if it's fulltime on a pet-would ever be allowed to exceed maybe 10-12.5%.

[Mayoyama]

Geez... Ruszor started out so strong and then really dwindled lol

So far 31 Ruszor, 46 Scorpion/Scolopendrid, 18 Slime and some random ones that weren't even on the final list to be voted for (guessing people missed the "final vote" post or just cant read)

I personally vote for Ruszor, but it looks like for english players scorp is going to win... guess its up to seeing whether JP forums agree.

[Miera]

Slime, nuff said

[Ordain]

Since we are talking about having an actual exotic or cool looking pet instead of the cut ones we have had I vote for an Abyssic Dragon.

[Gallus]

Since we are talking about having an actual exotic or cool looking pet instead of the cut ones we have had I vote for an Abyssic Dragon.

I'm sure they'll jump on implementing it right away for you.

[Gotterdammerung]

the slime pdt trait I simply base on the pattern with past jugs. example, leeches have damage resistance, to blunt iirc. However, I have charmed leeches AND i have used Fatso in the same area, the resistance is higher on the charmed leech, in fact Fatso's resistance is almost non-existant.

Slimes have 75% blunt pdt 50% slashing and piercing pdt

wild leeches have 25% blunt pdt

Fatso fargann has 25% blunt pdt as well.

Its possible that you didn't notice his pdt because you were already at the pdt cap via atmas and equipment.
But fatso does have the same resistance as a wild leech.

[Choerilos]

Slimes have 75% blunt pdt 50% slashing and piercing pdt

wild leeches have 25% blunt pdt

Fatso fargann has 25% blunt pdt as well.

Its possible that you didn't notice his pdt because you were already at the pdt cap via atmas and equipment.
But fatso does have the same resistance as a wild leech.

He said he used charmed leeches and Fatso in the same zone, so no atmas making the difference at least. Though I think they have the same resistance (25 blunt isn't gamebreaking), but slime having MUCH higher resistance might mean it is more likely to be changed. But of course, we do not know if this would be the case.

Somewhat out of topic: Our new slug also doesnt absorb water where normal ones do. A somewhat similar adjustment that leech COULD possibly get. But anything we get can be changed, so we know nothing as of now. Just vote for what you want and hope we get something decent.

[Camate]

Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)

[Shoko]

Yo, who wanted scorpions!? Should throw Ruszor in there for the heck of it... it's something new.

[Selzak]

I'm happy with that I guess. Could produce some spike damage with Ready.

Can you tell them to give it a unique skin? I'd prefer it not to be a normal, boring, brown scorpion.

[Kihrre]

What shall our new scorpion be named?

[Elexia]

What shall our new scorpion be named?

ScandalousSchala.

[Zaknafein]

Woot Team Scorpion!

[Kari]

Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)

Boring.
Seriously who wanted Scorpion...

[Zhronne]

Still have to see which pet won among JP players, maybe their results will even out ours :P

[Aldersyde]

Boring.
Seriously who wanted Scorpion...

People who thought of death scissors but forgot that bsts have a charge system for using pet tp moves. I concede that it's possible for the devs to make it one charge but they could just as easily make it two or even three. One high powered tp move that can be done at the least every 50 secs or so isn't going to make bst suddenly wanted in group events as a dd. Ruszor wouldn't have done it either but it would have at least given some handy resistances for earth, ice, and water that would have helped with solo play.

And it would have been cool to have a pet that was uncharmable in the wild. Well, I guess adamantoise fills this but they suck. There's a reason genbu is lolgenbu.

[SpankWustler]

Huzzah. Now in three short months, I'll get to see if Sharp Strike is as mediocre as I'm hoping it to be.

Suddenly, this feels like the Presidential election. Except I just voted for the guy who has the least awful Ready move instead of the guy who vehemently hates the poor slightly less.

[Choerilos]

Boring.
Seriously who wanted Scorpion...

Me. Seriously.

[Alhanelem]

Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)Uhhhhh... I thought we were voting between ruszors and slimes?

I hope scorpion voters realize that death scissors is probably going to be 3 charges and won't be anywhere near as good as the blue mage spell...

[Quetzacoatl]

I propse its name to be...

Harpoon (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110223232042/mk/images/a/ac/Scorpion_spear_mk9.jpg) Hanzo (http://images.wikia.com/mk/images/e/ee/MK2011_Scorpion.png)!

>.> <.< >.> <.<

[Glamdring]

Uhhhhh... I thought we were voting between ruszors and slimes?

I hope scorpion voters realize that death scissors is probably going to be 3 charges and won't be anywhere near as good as the blue mage spell...

and that's assuming it even GETS Death Scissors... I seem to have jug pets missing Baleful gaze, Lightning Breath, Dream Flower... the list goes on

[Orson]

Seems way more likely that Slimes and Ruszors would be nerfed more so than the Scorpion.

[Arciel]

Naming suggestion time! :p

StabbingSarah
ProddingPamela
SmitingSamantha
MarauderMary
DisasterAngel
CalamityChristina
BadasBritney
MurderousMadonna
GloriousGaga

i seem to have lost my train of thought

[Xilk]

Boring.
Seriously who wanted Scorpion...

The bsts who know how the game works, what the job CAN and CANNOT do and what places we most need a bit of a boost.

And also the bsts who understood by reading the arguments.

[Gotterdammerung]

Naming suggestion time! :p

StabbingSarah
ProddingPamela
SmitingSamantha
MarauderMary
DisasterAngel
CalamityChristina
BadasBritney
MurderousMadonna
GloriousGaga

i seem to have lost my train of thought

Mighty Mike
Xenophobic Xerxes
Stabby Stan
Bloody Bob
Angry Aaron
Clueless Carla
Dirty Dan
Endangered Edd
Flaying Fabio
Gruesome Gregg
Hungry Hank
Introspective Iggy
Jumbo Jim
Karate Kramer
Leisure Suit Larry
Naughty Naomi
Obtuse Opy
Pregnant Patty
Quirky Quinten
Red Red
Terrifying Tony
Undulating Unther
Visceral V
Wide-eyed William
Yapping Yaakov
Zealous Zedediah

and also possibly Jaundice Jones if he is a yellow scorpion.

[darkhorror]

Now this scorpion isn't going to allow us to do or help any more than we could before. Sure it will be a good DD jug pet if sharp spike is kept. Other than that and maybe if it keeps immunity to poison we aren't getting much that we didn't have before.

With Ruszor we would have an aquan that is very resistant to water magic. Unlike slug which is amorph so when fighting these aquans that cast a lot it gets intimidated. Also just gives us an aquan which we can use with killer instinct which helps out the entire party when fighting amorphs. Also has a Def Down TP attack which helps an entire alliance.

Well at least I am very happy with the slug, other than being an amorph it's a lot of what I was looking for in the Ruszor.

[Limecat]

Pincer Pete
Sandy Sandie
Chittering Charles
Hambone Hortense
Substrate Santana
Terrarium Tia
Logbound Lemmy
Lunging Luna

[Hayward]

Safe to say this news rocks me like a...never mind.

Anyway, a Scorpion is a welcome addition to my wild menagerie of pets. Hopefully, it will have the appropriate attack for its level and its full arsenal of normal TP moves--if we can get Hell Scissors, well and good, but I'm not holding my breath for HNM moves anytime soon.

As for a name, here's my warped contributions:

*Pincher Parrish
*Deathtail Darren
*Hellwhip Harriet
*Armorclaw Anubis

[Atoreis]

The bsts who know how the game works, what the job CAN and CANNOT do and what places we most need a bit of a boost.

And also the bsts who understood by reading the arguments.

Excellent answer.

All ppl who write we wanted scorpion because of Death scissors are seriously funny and should learn how to play their job again or maybe go back to school and learn some math.

[Alhanelem]

The bsts who know how the game works, what the job CAN and CANNOT do and what places we most need a bit of a boost.

And also the bsts who understood by reading the arguments.
I would disagree, because both ruszors and slimes fill some holes in bst capabilities, while scorpions are just another attack based pet with a popular TP move.

[Logandor]

I still suggest Stabber 666, Mr. Claws 666, something dark and evil to fit the scorpion but thats me.

[Louispv]

Bah, why would you want att+ from a pet? DEF- on the enemy would apply to both you and your pet, and anyone else in your party/alliance.

[Dragoon9]

be fun to have a chocobo pet! (probably will get some interesting feedback XD))

but if thats not possible then i say gnole.

[Gotterdammerung]

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. The slug has an easy all npc bought cheap recipe and its still going for 20-50k a stack. The tigers recipe is medium difficulty and its starting out in the 100k area. No matter what jug won the vote, the cook cartel is still gunna jack us. Unless SE does something to get us out from under the thumb of corporate cooks, i predict the cost of playing a 99 bst is going to be scary and ridiculous. I know i personally could of already bought half a relic with the money i have spent on pet food and jugs just since the jug pet amp at 76 til now.

[Lordscyon]

What was The point in vote on which Pet we get....
We should of just get all of them since they NERF Beastmasters in Abyssea & We can't Even Charm Pets in abyssea i mean hey lets limit Beastmasters too become more productive and waste there hard working gil on jugs pets yeah and on top of that lets make them pick which jugs they wana get lets not give them a option too choose all. ^^ We forgot too mention NO NEW PET FOOD.

[xbobx]

Allowing charming in abyssa would break abyssa and make abyssea Bst only. It would be one of the dumbest things for them to do.
Bst actual got one of the best updates out of all the jobs, shouldn't complain about it considering the complete crap other jobs got.

[Xilk]

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. The slug has an easy all npc bought cheap recipe and its still going for 20-50k a stack. The tigers recipe is medium difficulty and its starting out in the 100k area. No matter what jug won the vote, the cook cartel is still gunna jack us. Unless SE does something to get us out from under the thumb of corporate cooks, i predict the cost of playing a 99 bst is going to be scary and ridiculous. I know i personally could of already bought half a relic with the money i have spent on pet food and jugs just since the jug pet amp at 76 til now.

i can't agree. slugs were going at 23k/stack on bahamut last night, and there were like 30 stacks available. You won't be able to keep that price high. Hello level 95 replacement of Nazuna.

and double chcking now, I see 58 stacks on ah, and they are 11k/stack...

[Caketime]

Allowing charming in abyssa would break abyssa and make abyssea Bst only. It would be one of the dumbest things for them to do.
Bst actual got one of the best updates out of all the jobs, shouldn't complain about it considering the complete crap other jobs got.

Predicting a hypothetical alternate reality is one of your best skills.

[Atoreis]

Ruszor TP move is would be probably around -15% and will last maybe 1 min with 2 charges probably. Will limit you to use only this move and completely ignore so favoring by all who wanted Ruszor TP moves with add effect physical and magical shield (I bet it would be 3 charges and shield last 30 sec). So in practice you will have -15% def down for a 1 min that is limited to a one mob. In ally situation it probably wouldn't stack with any other def down effect. Scorpion on the other hand has 50% att bonus for 4min15sec. Thats not even close.

[xbobx]

"Predicting a hypothetical alternate reality is one of your best skills. "

It is a no brainer, if you can't see why, then I guess that says something about your ability to think.

[Caketime]

Not agreeing with you != I'm wrong.

Speaking in absolutes about something that hasn't even happened makes your argument iron-clad, btw.

[xbobx]

I guess you cant think. it is ok. Lets see high level nms surrounded by Even to T mobs that repop very fast, Ya, that wouldn't be a bst haven making every NM in abyessa an absolute joke for a group of bsts to destroy. Not broken at all.

in most of the other areas, high level nms were not positioned by many even to T mobs, only a few were and were easily killed by a group of bsts. They have even stated in past that some areas were made they way they were because they didn't want bsts to monopolize the area.

A party or an alliance of bsts with charmable mobs with fast respawns would steamroll over any content, and that is exactly the reason you cannot charm in abyssea and it is exactly the reason it will never happen so stop asking for it.

[Ultimare]

Yeah, if we get a scorpion, Death Scissors probably will be 3 charges, but with the right set up, that three minutes can be cut in half, or more with gear. I know my charge time is down to 35-40 sec, and I haven't even finished my wish list for sic/ready delay gear. Slimes and Ruszor would be great for soloing, but we already have Yuly and his amazing evasion. I personally want something that can contribute to a group. Something a little more potent that 200-500 damage with 2-3 charge moves. Lulush's Foot Kick is okay, but even with gear and atma, I don't think I've seen it break 1K.

And I think xbobx is right. Pretty much anything could be brought down by an alliance of BST, with an unlimited amount of monsters to throw at it. It could potentially take a while, but it'd get done... except maybe a dragon NM that constantly flies. Smaller groups could encounter various difficulties if portions of the group get knocked out or slept or encounter unlucky charm rates, but a full blown alliance of BSTs could probably hold out through just about anything, so lets just be honest. Who hasn't trioed xolotl with a group back at level 75 cap on bst?

[Caketime]

I guess you cant think. it is ok. Lets see high level nms surrounded by Even to T mobs that repop very fast, Ya, that wouldn't be a bst haven making every NM in abyessa an absolute joke for a group of bsts to destroy. Not broken at all.

All of Abyssea is susceptible to a group coming in and wrecking everything that moves, not being able to charm anything just neutered our job to the point where it's better to go as something else instead of BST. Simply having the option to use charm would not be abused and broken by BST mains, the real problem would come from /BST by other jobs who would then be even stronger than before and that much more capable.

[Nehalania]

=( Scorps...
Dang thought it was between ruszor and slimes.
Maybe I missed another post.


Man, tons of votes up in here!

After looking over each and every one of your posts, it's a super super close call between:

-Ruszor
-Slime

Please vote on one or the other and let's see which pet comes out on top

Close contenders are below:
-Hippogryph
-Karkinos
-Hanuman

[Ultimare]

You know what? I want a Fomor Tarutaru jugpet. Give it to me now. >=/

[Limecat]

You know, I'm halfway wondering if we're going to get more than one 99 jug. The JP boards at least were asked this same question, so maybe the devs are planning to roll out multiple 99 pets in the event each region polled arrived at a different consensus.

[Caketime]

You know, I'm halfway wondering if we're going to get more than one 99 jug. The JP boards at least were asked this same question, so maybe the devs are planning to roll out multiple 99 pets in the event each region polled arrived at a different consensus.

Either that or the polls were designed to shut us up.

[Gotterdammerung]

i can't agree. slugs were going at 23k/stack on bahamut last night, and there were like 30 stacks available. You won't be able to keep that price high. Hello level 95 replacement of Nazuna.

and double chcking now, I see 58 stacks on ah, and they are 11k/stack...

I suppose you and I had to disagree sometime.

It is cool that the slug's price is going down. But that doesn't change my opinion that 99 bst is going to be hellaciously expensive, or my opinion that career cooks are demons in disguise.

It is almost as if the entire dev team have characters with 100 cooking, or maybe there is a cook lobbyist who buys them off. All i know is since 76 there has been major boons to cooks.

the change from best gear is bought to best gear is free destroyed most crafts. This was a boon for cooking because now people had more money to throw into consumables.

The dev team decision to atrophy charm and support call beast with updates changed the frequency of pet consumables needed in every bstmasters normal day, a MAJOR boon for cooks in the form of an overnight market.

The refusal to rectify the new cost strain on bst in favor of cooks was a boon for cooks.

The refusal to increase recipe yields and stack sizes of pet items was a boon to cooks.

Meanwhile, almost every other craft and 1 job got a huge dump taken on them. I just can't help but wonder, why all the love for cooks?

[Xilk]

Yeah, if we get a scorpion, Death Scissors probably will be 3 charges, but with the right set up, that three minutes can be cut in half, or more with gear. I know my charge time is down to 35-40 sec, and I haven't even finished my wish list for sic/ready delay gear. Slimes and Ruszor would be great for soloing, but we already have Yuly and his amazing evasion. I personally want something that can contribute to a group. Something a little more potent that 200-500 damage with 2-3 charge moves. Lulush's Foot Kick is okay, but even with gear and atma, I don't think I've seen it break 1K.

And I think xbobx is right. Pretty much anything could be brought down by an alliance of BST, with an unlimited amount of monsters to throw at it. It could potentially take a while, but it'd get done... except maybe a dragon NM that constantly flies. Smaller groups could encounter various difficulties if portions of the group get knocked out or slept or encounter unlucky charm rates, but a full blown alliance of BSTs could probably hold out through just about anything, so lets just be honest. Who hasn't trioed xolotl with a group back at level 75 cap on bst?

I've seen foot kick break 1k outside of abyssea.
Inside w/ atma & gear I've hit 2.3k w/ foot kick and 2k w/ whirl claws.

This was before the cap went to 95. So you might want to try a few more things.

Then again i swap in all my pet attack + gear for pet tp moves.

btw, I was using RR, VV, and Savior for atma.

[Xilk]

All of Abyssea is susceptible to a group coming in and wrecking everything that moves, not being able to charm anything just neutered our job to the point where it's better to go as something else instead of BST. Simply having the option to use charm would not be abused and broken by BST mains, the real problem would come from /BST by other jobs who would then be even stronger than before and that much more capable.

Actually, i think there might be a particular challenge or problem w/ adding atma buffs to charmed pets... just a thought.

[Franklyn]

Seriously a Scorpion? Did the people that post just abyssea up there BST job? Ever BST that actually played the job before abyssea came out knows that the slime pets rocked every mob they went up against. Scorpions were nice damage wise but defense wise they were average at best. EM slimes were taking out IT mobs and were still kicking. EM scorpions took off a nice chunk of HP but still would need 2 or 3 of them to kill an IT mob.

[Xilk]

I suppose you and I had to disagree sometime.

It is cool that the slug's price is going down. But that doesn't change my opinion that 99 bst is going to be hellaciously expensive, or my opinion that career cooks are demons in disguise.

It is almost as if the entire dev team have characters with 100 cooking, or maybe there is a cook lobbyist who buys them off. All i know is since 76 there has been major boons to cooks.

the change from best gear is bought to best gear is free destroyed most crafts. This was a boon for cooking because now people had more money to throw into consumables.

The dev team decision to atrophy charm and support call beast with updates changed the frequency of pet consumables needed in every bstmasters normal day, a MAJOR boon for cooks in the form of an overnight market.

The refusal to rectify the new cost strain on bst in favor of cooks was a boon for cooks.

The refusal to increase recipe yields and stack sizes of pet items was a boon to cooks.

Meanwhile, almost every other craft and 1 job got a huge dump taken on them. I just can't help but wonder, why all the love for cooks?

I agree w/ most of what you say. When the level cap increased, and abyssea gear came out, the economy went into a spiral.

It didn't take anyone long to figure out that consumables (always a stable income source) were even moreso the right place to be.

You are also right that the limitations of charm cause a high demand for jugs amongst bsts. However, this was also the case at level 75. Charm was already being killed off before the level cap increase. It is easy for many newer bsts to forget this if they knew it at all. The demand for bsts in most end-game events at level 75 was a negative number!!

I do agree that BST became an expensive job at higher levels. It was a dirt cheap job all the way up to level 75, then suddenly the tables are completely turned. However, BST has also always been a good job for making gil.

I don't have any particular problem keeping up w/ my jug and petfood costs without even trying. If I took 1 day a week just farming for gil on my bst, i would have a small fortune. Granted, everyone's budget's and playstyles are different.

I think the jug costs at 76+ were all cheap w/ the exception of YULy. I think Yuly has made a nice balance as well. Even though its often 100k/ stack. yuly pays for herself.

I think prices didn't really start getting higher until cap went to 90 w/ Shasra and Broncha. I think this is mainly due that many players have level 60 cooking skill, but far fewer have 100 cooking skill. The newer recipes couldn't be handled by the level 60 cooks anymore.

Don't forget the change to reward as well. I can't decide how that affected prices. Did we start to rely on zeta biscuits more because they were better? or did we need to use less because they were more effective? The number sold went up alot, imo, and the price went up as well. Then again the prices for ninja items have gone up as well. (market-wise I think ninja tools compare very well to bst jugs) I think the demand and supply have gone up also.

I don't think it is any bias in favor of cooks more than the natural stability of the craft and how it is designed originally. The power of food in this game, and the consumable nature of it are what makes cooking such a resilient trade.

I agree that bst has become and expensive job. We have constant Demand for goods in order to stay in business. This used to be primarly the concern of Ninja, Rangers and Corsairs. However, we've jumped on that list as well.

I only disagree in that I think the current market is fully capable of handling it. The rate at which I consume jugs and pet food does not exceed my rate of making gil. (And I don't try to make gil. I don't go out and farm specifically to make gil, I just pick it up selling & Npc'ing stuff along the way of whatever I'm doing. I also typically stay between 300k~500k gil just normally. If I get over 1mil, i tend to buy something bigger, or buy alot of jugs).

[Xilk]

Seriously a Scorpion? Did the people that post just abyssea up there BST job? Ever BST that actually played the job before abyssea came out knows that the slime pets rocked every mob they went up against. Scorpions were nice damage wise but defense wise they were average at best. EM slimes were taking out IT mobs and were still kicking. EM scorpions took off a nice chunk of HP but still would need 2 or 3 of them to kill an IT mob.

...reread the thread. the supporters of scorpion know exactly what its strengths and weaknesses are. W/ all the damage reduction gear and curing abilities bst already have, we have many good tank options. We don't NEED a better physical tank nearly as much as we need a superior DD. Thats EXACTLY why it was chosen.

[Carnivor]

I have always wanted a slime! and i know the community has wanted this a long time.

We also need a caster, so i hvae to vote for a hecteye.

Alltho, an opo, crab, bat would be good too. make it a mob we havent got from before.

top two is slime and hecteye!

[Ultimare]

...reread the thread. the supporters of scorpion know exactly what its strengths and weaknesses are. W/ all the damage reduction gear and curing abilities bst already have, we have many good tank options. We don't NEED a better physical tank nearly as much as we need a superior DD. Thats EXACTLY why it was chosen.

Well said!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I still stand by a cactaur for 99.

[Caketime]

Actually, i think there might be a particular challenge or problem w/ adding atma buffs to charmed pets... just a thought.

Who said they should benefit from them in the first place? You're likely correct though. Shotgun remedies are SE style.

[Juri_Licious]

I hope everyone realizes we don't care how good Scorpion is, it's just a lot cooler to use a big ass Scorpion than a pile of slime or some overgrown mutated boar.

[Sparthos]

You realize a Ruszor is a Walrus right? :p

[Logandor]

You know we have been discussing the differences of scrop < slime quite a bit. Why not they implement both into the game, one for 96 and the other for 98 pet. It would be nice so that way both sides of the debate wins.

[Zaknafein]

I'm curious if all the slime people remember not so long ago when they nerfed pets pdt, because inept Beastmaster's were holding up other groups (and pink power rangers who do the same thing) with excessively long fights. You guys really want a pet that makes Beast's go out, and start holding up other players again. How long would it take for the playerbase to get out the torches, and the pitchforks again you think?

[Xilk]

I'm curious if all the slime people remember not so long ago when they nerfed pets pdt, because inept Beastmaster's were holding up other groups (and pink power rangers who do the same thing) with excessively long fights. You guys really want a pet that makes Beast's go out, and start holding up other players again. How long would it take for the playerbase to get out the torches, and the pitchforks again you think?

Uhmm.. YOu are grossly mistaken in your assumption that this is why they nerfed the 100% pdt on pets.

I promise you I can still hold any NM that could be held before the patch now, indefinitely.

There is nothing making these fights quicker if I wanna solo them. I still can, pet only, and take forever. that is not at all why it was nerfed.

it was alot easier to keep hate on pet in a group though, when physical hits all did 0 on pet. It didn't allow mobs to reduce hate on pet w/out a reset really. That never mattered much for solo, but it made a big difference tanking in a group.