Ildebrann (T1 Zilart Voidwatch, Ifrit's Cauldron)

[Kyrial]

So, is it just my LS that's having trouble with this fight? It just seems that it's horribly ridiculous in difficulty when compared to other fights. My group has had little to no trouble doing any of the T1-4 city NMs, any of the T1 Jeuno NMs, and any of the other T1 Zilart NMs. This fight alone is completely screwing us over. SE, why is this fight so much harder than other fights in its tier? For that matter, why is it harder than fights in HIGHER tiers?

[Zaknafein]

It's hard, but it's a very exciting battle. Just have a solid paladin for Tia, and another decent tank (anything really nin/thf) for the little one. Pull the small one off to the side while the Paladin tanks Tia in the alcove.

[Insaniac]

It's really easy if you leave it in the air. Kill 1 add and hold the other one somewhere away from everyone. A fire set or an aegis will make your tank pretty much invincible. Just make sure you have the right kind of damage. CORs RNGs BLMs SMNs

[Kyrial]

We've tried it several times with our PLD (who is working on Aegis, but is only stage 3 so far), and he has a good fire resist/MDT set. We also tried with dual BLU tanks (saw a video where that was pretty successful), but the problem with that was that I was one of the BLUs, and I am not made for tanking. :P We do try killing one of the babbies and holding the other, but inevitably our tanks on the main one end up dying after so long and we kill the other babby and try to kill the main one, but it never works out of course. Do we really just need more BLM/SCH/RNG/SMN/CORs? :/ We had several BLMs and a SCH or two, and one COR (who is the only other person with RNG leveled, I think :P). How about BST? I know they've been good for other VWs as back up tanks while main tanks are weakened.

[saevel]

So, is it just my LS that's having trouble with this fight? It just seems that it's horribly ridiculous in difficulty when compared to other fights. My group has had little to no trouble doing any of the T1-4 city NMs, any of the T1 Jeuno NMs, and any of the other T1 Zilart NMs. This fight alone is completely screwing us over. SE, why is this fight so much harder than other fights in its tier? For that matter, why is it harder than fights in HIGHER tiers?

Ilde is a giant PITA if your setup for pretty much every other VWNM fight. She's cake to hold in the air but has such high -MDT that most alliances will time out trying to kill it. We could rangers are the only ones able to do decent damage while she's airborne but they'll eventually pull hate and die. Bringing her to the ground is extremely dangerous as she'll spam aoe moves and eventually, no matter what, a BLM or a WHM will get hate and she'll flail. She'll spam aoe terror and eventually strip your tanks of all hate.

Best way to kill her is a PD zerg. You need SMN's, BRD's, preferably a SCH and some rocking DD's. Fight starts out with her in the air, have the PLD hold her near the pop spot. Have your melee's drag the mini's one at a time away from her. Whatever you do, make sure you don't fight the mini's near the tanks or mages, Void song will ruin their day. After the second mini is dead she'll be able to come down, it won't be instant though. Once she touch's down immediately start your buff cycles. SV march's, Bravera and finally Alexanders PD, pop temps and have your melee's go screaming up to her and spam everything they got. She doesn't actually have that much HP, just a moderate regen, zerg her and she'll die. Try to proc a red !! if possible to keep her down, otherwise he drops aren't worth that much and it's better just to get the win.

[Insaniac]

PD doesn't block the AoE terror. I've never tried a zerg but I can't imagine it going well 100% of the time. A PLD with a fire set + barfira/carols shouldn't ever die. If you can accomplish that it's just a matter of filling up your alliance with jobs that can actually damage it while it's in the air. Try the zerg if you want but if it fails I would say shout for people with the proper damage jobs and kill it a few times while cycling in your members to get them the clear.

[Mindi]

Zerg is easy, if all DD's attack from behind and at a wall it will only use spike flail as TP move if i remember right, kinda like Azdaja. Dont need Alex, but it helps. Fanatic drink is as good aswell, and have 2 BLM in ally who try to proc red !! for new temps.

with a PLD to hold and RNG's/BLM try to kill it.. well you'll will time out probably, especially when not having everyone on his job with very good gear/skill... and this is what you get here and there when you shout.. abyssea noobs w

[saevel]

PD doesn't block the AoE terror. I've never tried a zerg but I can't imagine it going well 100% of the time. A PLD with a fire set + barfira/carols shouldn't ever die. If you can accomplish that it's just a matter of filling up your alliance with jobs that can actually damage it while it's in the air. Try the zerg if you want but if it fails I would say shout for people with the proper damage jobs and kill it a few times while cycling in your members to get them the clear.

We thought that too ... and it didn't work out.
It had -50% MDT in the air, meaning BLM and SMN suck at damaging it. Only job is RNG, but they'll eventually pull hate off your PLDs and die. It has a moderate regen so your fighting that too. Tebad wing is 30 foot aoe, it'll hit all your healers, its one annoying move. A good PLD can hold it forever, or until you time out, holding it isn't a problem, damaging it is. On the ground it's much more powerful, but you can kill it quicker. It's just a matter of surviving it's aoe's until its dead.

BUT there is a catch, it has a hate reset move. What we've seen happen multiple times is that as it gets lower and lower and as the fight drags on, eventually it'll start hate reseting people. When it hate resets both your tanks, usually the very next person is your WHM or BLM as they've been outside aoe range for the entire fight. It'll start to move to your BLM / WHM but only for a few seconds then a melee behind it (who was infront of it) will pull hate and *BAM* spike flail. Not too if everyone's at full or has PD, but otherwise it'll kill people enmasse, including the mages.

[Zinato]

Ive seen many shouts for T2 Zilart I have wanted to take but, each time I ask if they are willing to redo just this fight everyone says no its too hard. Now I have done Qilin, Uptella, Aello and some of the T2s even though I dont have this win. Qilin Ive seen drop in under 4 minutes, how come this guy is so much harder? The times I fought it we lost due to various things (of these spike flail once) and since then there is never a shout for it.
Are there any newer strategies, or one that doesn't involve PD? I really want this win even if I have to form the group myself, I just dont have any VW leading experience. Any advice on set ups would be appreciated.

[Vadai]

Usually you can get away with having a PLD as tank in the air, a few healers, a blm or 2 to proc, and the rest as the usual DD/buff ally, can also bring a RNG or 2 if you don't want any downtime in the air.

The way we've always done it is fairly simple with that setup. Have the PLD hold it(eventually RNG shoot it as well) in the air and find out a proc you can nail down to 1-2 spells/WS/abilities, even better if it's a HV/EV one. Kill both adds to make it land, proc said weakness, have the DD go in and zerg it while they and the BLM try to keep it staggered. Have the PLD stand back in case of Terror/etc, if you don't manage to kill it in one round just repeat the steps above. As long as the PLD doesn't die in the air this strategy is pretty safe.

[Nynja]

wiped 3x last night to this shit, NIN DRK WAR WHM BRD WHM / RDM BLM BLM BLU. Terror spam pretty much boned us.

[00:44:47]No effect on Nynja.(touchdown damage annuled from fanatics)
[00:45:16]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror.
[00:45:48]Nynja is no longer terrorized.
[00:45:52]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror.
[00:46:41]Nynja is no longer terrorized.
[00:47:48]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror.
[00:48:26]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror. (yes it actually got to use it twice before my previous terror wore off)
[00:48:30]No effect on Nynja.
[00:48:47]Nynja is no longer terrorized.
[00:48:50]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror.
[00:49:16]Ildebrann readies Absolute Terror. (and a second time)
[00:49:20]No effect on Nynja.
[00:49:44]Nynja is no longer terrorized.
Flew shortly before this:
[00:49:58](Sumiko) whos' it on

Lets break that down
29 seconds not terror
32 seconds terror, 4 seconds not terror
49 seconds terror, 67 seconds not terror
59 seconds terror, 3 seconds not terror
56 seconds terror, 14 seconds not terror
3:16 terrorized, 1:57 not terrorized.



going again tonight with the "keep it flying" strat.

[saevel]

You've got to treat this like a Jeuno T4+ NM where its proc or die. Keep it proced or it'll start terror spamming and you'll wipe due to everyone being terrorized. If you can hit the EV and a few HV procs then you can zerg it down, it really doesn't have that much HP, just an annoying regen.

[abbazabba]

ive had mixed results with rangers tanking it with mdt / carol. another good strat is to keep it flying then bring it down when its about half and finish it off in an hv.


You've got to treat this like a Jeuno T4+ NM where its proc or die. Keep it proced or it'll start terror spamming and you'll wipe due to everyone being terrorized. If you can hit the EV and a few HV procs then you can zerg it down, it really doesn't have that much HP, just an annoying regen.

the only ones currently like that are rex and ig-logima. more rex then ig.

[saevel]

ive had mixed results with rangers tanking it with mdt / carol. another good strat is to keep it flying then bring it down when its about half and finish it off in an hv.



the only ones currently like that are rex and ig-logima. more rex then ig.

Pretty much all of them are like that, just nothing is quite as bad as ig / rex. Heck even lol-Pil has Flank Opening which can do upwards of 2~2.4K (I know it hit me with that) to melee's and is aoe. Most of them have some crazy cheap move that can just kill anyone that doesn't have a fanatics on. Exponential burst and so on.

Maybe split it into "proc or die" and "proc or wipe" with Ig / Rex being members of the later.

[Alkimi]

Are there any newer strategies, or one that doesn't involve PD? I really want this win even if I have to form the group myself, I just dont have any VW leading experience. Any advice on set ups would be appreciated.

We zerged it aswell, didn't use PD just had a SCH embrava the alliance and a RDM with CS stun. The regen from Embrava should be good to keep everyone's HP reasonably high.

[Urat]

The entire reason this guy is so much harder than the rest is because he isn't in a state of "able to be procced" the entire fight.

This NM is a clear cut example of why proccing makes fights much easier, the NM is almost impossible to proc in the air, and the result is a much much harder fight. Only once he lands and you can manage to proc at least 3 times is he really possible to kill.

I think if SE made other NMs have periods of "lolololol cant proc meeeeee" the difficulty level of VW would go up astronomically, as demonstrated by this guy.

[saevel]

The entire reason this guy is so much harder than the rest is because he isn't in a state of "able to be procced" the entire fight.

This NM is a clear cut example of why proccing makes fights much easier, the NM is almost impossible to proc in the air, and the result is a much much harder fight. Only once he lands and you can manage to proc at least 3 times is he really possible to kill.

I think if SE made other NMs have periods of "lolololol cant proc meeeeee" the difficulty level of VW would go up astronomically, as demonstrated by this guy.

Yeah but knowing SE they would go overboard with it. Imagine a NM that "couldn't be proced" going around one shoting everyone, or aoe one shoting everyone. Cheapness in it's purest form.

If their going to make a NM not able to be proced, then don't give it outrageous aoe's.

[Brolic]

Blm it burned it down in the air, any aegis or fire build pld should be fine.

[Urat]

Yeah but knowing SE they would go overboard with it. Imagine a NM that "couldn't be proced" going around one shoting everyone, or aoe one shoting everyone. Cheapness in it's purest form.

If their going to make a NM not able to be proced, then don't give it outrageous aoe's.

I said "periods" of not being able to be procced. Like 4-5 seconds after it uses a specific move or something. That'd probably be a high level of difficulty.

As for an NM that has powerful AoE and one shotting ability, we have been able to handle mostly everything in VW so far by tanking it with a skilled pld. You don't actually kill the monster, but you don't die either. So that would be a way to handle the period of procc invincibility.

[saevel]

I said "periods" of not being able to be procced. Like 4-5 seconds after it uses a specific move or something. That'd probably be a high level of difficulty.

As for an NM that has powerful AoE and one shotting ability, we have been able to handle mostly everything in VW so far by tanking it with a skilled pld. You don't actually kill the monster, but you don't die either. So that would be a way to handle the period of procc invincibility.

Your blowing smoke up people's arses.

You "handle" it by having DD's spam Fanatics, and the "skilled PLD" has hate for about 10s.

I've done more the enough Voidwatch to know that it's all Fanatics spam. Your hit procs to restore Fanatics and your DD's just keep smacking it until it's dead.

If you doubt this in any way, then go gather people and do the body VWNM's without any items or procs (other then EV) and tell us how it went.