[dev1036] Daily Rewards

[Selzak]

By using a "Daily Point" from the below goblins, you will be able to receive a random reward.
Port San’d Oria (I-10) Habitox
Port Bastok (I-12) Bountibox
Windurst Walls (C-14) Arbitrix
Lower Jeuno (I-6) Sweepstox
Bhaflau Thickets (J-9) Wondrix

Once you have spoken to one of the above goblins, you will be awarded a new Daily Point every Earth day at 12:00am (JST).
You will be able to select five different amounts of points that you would like to consume at once, and depending on the amount selected the reward will vary.
You can also receive daily points by trading unneeded rare items to the goblins.
(It depends on the item, but there will be some that cannot be traded.)
*When trading items, there will be a cap on the amount of daily points you can earn in a single Earth day.

*The Daily Points obtainable on the Test Server are higher than normal for testing purposes.
*The rewards obtainable on the Test Server are just samples and will differ from the actual rewards.


No idea yet on what kind of rewards we're talking about exactly, but I must say that I think this is a pretty darn good idea.

Way to kill two birds with one stone by involving unused 'rare' items too, I hope I can trade in some of my Empyrean seals.


I guess the argument here will be that "FFXI is too easy! >:|" or something along those lines. They do have to be careful with the actual reward content though. If there's anything serious it better be super rare.

Personally, I think it's a great idea. I'm all about the log-in for 2-3 hours and play a video game/accomplish things Final Fantasy XI. This just adds a new, potentially exciting element to that. Although, unlike in previous debates over things like Abyssea that are just less time-consuming...this Daily Reward system can be said to be too easy for FFXI. It's worth discussing I think!

[Leonlionheart]

People that did it on the test server got mats ala VW or WoE drops

Completely useless, complete waste of time if that doesn't change

[Runespider]

People that did it on the test server got mats ala VW or WoE drops

Completely useless, complete waste of time if that doesn't change

I guess it's a minor update for very casual players that don't do both of the above. The really sad part is the could of copied other MMOs with a daily system and made something impressive.

[Tagrineth]

People that did it on the test server got mats ala VW or WoE drops

Completely useless, complete waste of time if that doesn't change

I do believe they said outright that the rewards on the test server are placeholders.

[Leonlionheart]

I do believe they said outright that the rewards on the test server are placeholders.

Better hope so. Honestly it's a system where you just go get something for free per day, I can't imagine them giving away anything useful for so free like that unless it's a 1/1,389,488 drop rate

[Krashport]

The rare daily reward is that Flying Mount! 1/1,389,488!

[Xellith]

SE arnt going to give away good gear on a once a day reward system. We will get stuff like flint stone stacks in the final update. C'mon guys - you know its true.

[MDenham]

SE arnt going to give away good gear on a once a day reward system. We will get stuff like flint stone stacks in the final update. C'mon guys - you know its true.Hopefully they aren't that clueless about it.

Suggestions for what to put in there:

1 point - Stacks of consumables (food/ammo only, unique to this)
2 points - Crafting items for new etchable gear (unique to this, checking against user's crafting skills; etched slots are ◇ and ▽ on weapons, □ and ■ on armor, ● on both, using new and less ridiculously restricted evoliths). Crafted versions are white/blue-boxed versions only.
3 points - Evoliths corresponding to the five new slot types:
◇: Weapon enhancements I
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012904/ffxi/images/2/2c/Trans_Fire.gif DMG+5%~40%
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216011704/ffxi/images/5/5c/Trans_Lightning.gif Store TP+2~16
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216043114/ffxi/images/e/e6/Trans_Wind.gif Delay-2%~16%
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012815/ffxi/images/a/a2/Trans_Light.gif TP Bonus+10~80
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216042654/ffxi/images/7/7d/Trans_Earth.gif TP Drain+1~8
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216013223/ffxi/images/c/ca/Trans_Ice.gif Occasionally absorbs enemy statuses
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216043015/ffxi/images/0/0a/Trans_Water.gif MP Drain+2~16
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012717/ffxi/images/d/de/Trans_Dark.gif HP Drain+3~24
▽: Weapon affinity enhancements
1 - Affinity +2
2 - Affinity: Damage+2 / Accuracy+3
3 - Affinity: Damage+3 / Accuracy+2
4 - Affinity +3
5 - Affinity: Damage+3 / Accuracy+4
6 - Affinity: Damage+4 / Accuracy+3
7 - Affinity +4
8 - Affinity: Damage+4 / Accuracy+4 / Cast time -8%
□: Not sure yet, but http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012815/ffxi/images/a/a2/Trans_Light.gif Regen+1~8 and http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012717/ffxi/images/d/de/Trans_Dark.gif Refresh+1~2 (switches to 2 at strength 6+) for sure.
■: Non-family-dependent stat boosts
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012904/ffxi/images/2/2c/Trans_Fire.gif Attack, ranged attack, critical hit damage
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216011704/ffxi/images/5/5c/Trans_Lightning.gif Accuracy, ranged accuracy, critical hit rate
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216042654/ffxi/images/7/7d/Trans_Earth.gif Defense, enemy critical hit damage
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216043114/ffxi/images/e/e6/Trans_Wind.gif Evasion, enemy critical hit rate
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216013223/ffxi/images/c/ca/Trans_Ice.gif Magic attack, magic critical hit damage
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216043015/ffxi/images/0/0a/Trans_Water.gif Magic accuracy, magic critical hit rate
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012815/ffxi/images/a/a2/Trans_Light.gif Magic defense
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012717/ffxi/images/d/de/Trans_Dark.gif Magic evasion
●: Standard stat enhancements - 1~8 except...
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091216012717/ffxi/images/d/de/Trans_Dark.gif Bonus varies by day

Yes, that's supposed to be the Brisingamen effect, scaled by evolith strength (but without the HP/MP boost).

4 points - NQ versions of armor craftable from 2-point items.
5 points - NQ versions of weapons craftable from 2-point items.

(Yeah, I know, massive case of wishful thinking, but the above is probably a good start to reworking evoliths as well. Another change would be throwing in http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091208120941/ffxi/images/1/10/Shape_DoubleCircle.gif evoliths of elements other than light, which correspond to non-2hr JAs, putting three jobs on each element except dark [which gets two].)

[Leonlionheart]

I like that idea, sounds pretty cool.

[Runespider]

Idea above is quite cool, but given the end result will probably just be something more lazy I'm guessing it could be items like seals/+2 items with stuff like alex mixed in.

Basically a system for people unable to do the current systems to be able to get gear, Alex for gil ofc.

[Xellith]

If the daily reward system gives out random logs or ores as a reward then I'm quitting.

[FrankReynolds]

Would be nice if it dropped stuff for magian trials, like stacks of geodes, or random seals and +2 upgrade items. Maybe even powerful items, but with horrible odds, like the mog bonanza. You know, so you could get mandau on your level 1 mule. Sort of an addition to VW chests.

[Alhanelem]

If the daily reward system gives out random logs or ores as a reward then I'm quitting.
Was nice knowing you.

More seriously, you get a lot of consumables as well, some of which at least NPC decently if you don't want them. But i've gotten hyper potions and hyper ethers several x-potion +2s, and a vile elixir +1, which aren't that bad, and there's like a one in a million chance of an HQ HNM pop item (The gobby told me at one point that I could get a sweet tea aka nidhogg pop)

But really, it's not like you have to DO anything to get this stuff. It's just free stuff with zero work involved whatsoever- you can't expect TOO much. It's like "gachapon" in those korean MMOs, usually you get crap but there's at least a tiny chance of something remotely cool.

[Camate]

The main premise behind the daily reward system is to give players an opportunity to easily participate in something every day without using a lot of time.

We will be preparing various systems for all kinds of people, such as those who cannot log in everyday, those that want to get a really good item as a reward, and those that want to get as many rewards as possible. Though it will be off in the future, we are planning to add costume changing items as well as cosmetic items as rewards.

[Treb]

I like the sound of cosmetic items. /drool

[Shibayama]

Sounds pretty awesome - Can we get a hot tub for the mog house? :P

[Juilan]

i guess they do want to flood with gil... sounds like a lot of npc junk incoming!

[Zoner]

cosmetic items would sound better if they add a vanity slot

[Quetzacoatl]

Huh. So is it possible to get, for example, an Ares's Cuirass out of this?

[Economizer]

Sounds pretty awesome - Can we get a hot tub for the mog house? :P

And make it dispense scrolls of Instant Retrace every conquest update!

[Babekeke]

I like the sound of cosmetic items. /drool


cosmetic items would sound better if they add a vanity slot

Looks like some people want to play with make-up!

Seriously though, cosmetic items will be for in the mog-house.

[Huckster]

More Elixir+1's coming up.... Or Iron Ores...

[SNK]

The main premise behind the daily reward system is to give players an opportunity to easily participate in something every day without using a lot of time.

We will be preparing various systems for all kinds of people, such as those who cannot log in everyday, those that want to get a really good item as a reward, and those that want to get as many rewards as possible. Though it will be off in the future, we are planning to add costume changing items as well as cosmetic items as rewards.

Sorry to ask this if it hasn't been before but is there a way we could possible exchange currency from Walk of Echos for coins we do not need?

I'm close to 75 Coins of Ruin at this time in the hopes that maybe some kinda of NPC would be created that will let you exchange the coins you obtain the desired currecy you'd want. Even if it's a 2-1 ratio I would be perfectly happy with this.

Just finished another Flux 7 and obtained a Pouch of Ruin which is really killing me seeing as I've needed only 6 Coins of Birth for 5 days now.

[Limecat]

Better yet, talk PepsiCo into doing a Game Fuel promotion for FFXI and put Alexandrites/seals/+2 items/emp upgrade items/Dynamis currency on the caps. XD

[Anathiel]

Better yet, talk PepsiCo into doing a Game Fuel promotion for FFXI and put Alexandrites/seals/+2 items/emp upgrade items/Dynamis currency on the caps. XD

I would have diabetes within 72 hours.

[Elexia]

I would have diabetes within 72 hours.

Lol, just pace yourself, since it'll be another "omg I did (x) and got sick and its all SE's fault!" xD

I'm shooting for 48 hours.

[Babekeke]

I like the sound of cosmetic items. /drool


Sorry to ask this if it hasn't been before but is there a way we could possible exchange currency from Walk of Echos for coins we do not need?

I'm close to 75 Coins of Ruin at this time in the hopes that maybe some kinda of NPC would be created that will let you exchange the coins you obtain the desired currecy you'd want. Even if it's a 2-1 ratio I would be perfectly happy with this.

Just finished another Flux 7 and obtained a Pouch of Ruin which is really killing me seeing as I've needed only 6 Coins of Birth for 5 days now.

This is kind of what I expected was happening when they introduced the NPC that 'allows you to swap 3 seals of any type for 1 of another that you need', until it was clarified that they were actually talking beastmen/kindred seals, not abyssea. Adding a similar function for WoE coins, Abbyssea seals/+2 items would be great though^^

[Greatguardian]

I see absolutely no point in adding anything for Abyssea seals or +2 items, personally. Those are already fairly easy to target, and allowing people to swap them around would just lead to a mass exodus of gimps spamming Pascerpot and whatever other super-easy NM they can find.

[FrankReynolds]

My favorite was the dancer and the RDM with w/e ??? claim tool they had, popping sirrush over and over for 2 hours the other night for seals, while 27 people who were trying to build sobek sets fumed because the guy wouldn't team up with anyone so that they could pop it and get him his seals at the same time.

I look forward to more of this.

[cidbahamut]

My favorite was the dancer and the RDM with w/e ??? claim tool they had, popping sirrush over and over for 2 hours the other night for seals, while 27 people who were trying to build sobek sets fumed because the guy wouldn't team up with anyone so that they could pop it and get him his seals at the same time.

I look forward to more of this.
/item "Molt Scraps" <stnpc>

Claim tools: even PS2 users can use them now.

[Zagen]

/item "Molt Scraps" <stnpc>

Claim tools: even PS2 users can use them now.

/targetnpc
/item "Molt Scraps" <t>

Works much better for "botting".

[cidbahamut]

Bah, I knew I was missing something.

[SMD111]

im wondering if we have a date when this will be implemented for the regular servers

[FrankReynolds]

Those are cool claim tools. Do they read from memory, and trade the item before the ??? appears on the end users screen?

[Zagen]

Those are cool claim tools. Do they read from memory, and trade the item before the ??? appears on the end users screen?

I've heard these cries over and over again, even competed against accused users of said tools and my macro has never consistently lost against anyone in the same general region as me. Outside of Asian located players (Japan and China I know for certain) spamming the same macro I've never lost a macro spam fight consistently.

If you have actual proof that would be lovely to see.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm almost certain that posting links to Google searches for claim bots is a violation of forum terms. You seem like a guy who is tech savvy enough to find them on your own. I'm also sure that you that you know that I know how to repeatedly press a button. Everyone uses that same macro. If you never lose, your lucky. Congratulations.

[Zagen]

I'm almost certain that posting links to Google searches for claim bots is a violation of forum terms. You seem like a guy who is tech savvy enough to find them on your own. I'm also sure that you that you know that I know how to repeatedly press a button. Everyone uses that same macro. If you never lose, your lucky. Congratulations.

It probably is, I'm too lazy to double check. I know of claim bots, I know of programs that allow you to see/target "NPC corpses". I however have never seen anyone provide actual proof that use of these tools is superior to someone else spamming the macro I posted. I've also never consistently lost against anyone when claiming ???s with said macro. The only exception being people who have been considerably closer to the server.

Oddly enough not everyone knows about that macro or didn't months ago, one of the first people accuse me of "botting" was using the macro cidbahamut provided and once I enlightened them they were able to beat me to claims from time to time.

Anyways point being until this day no one has offered proof that bots are actually being used to out claim them or others. You can keep on believing there are botters out there that beat you at claiming 100% of the time and I'll keep on believing people crying about botters out spawning ??? NMs are looking for a way to justify them losing that isn't just bad luck.

Enough of a derailment.

On topic: I hope that the daily rewards are something useful for all levels, would be cool if they had random augmented weapons such as the Dom OP weapons as a possible reward.

[Anapingofness]

This sounds pretty awesome. I can't wait for the implementation.

Do you think that they'll let us expand our MH? I'm a fan of the MH and furnishings, so much so that my safe is 80/80 on furnishings. x.x;; I keep hoping that they'll expand it so I can have more lol.
If they don't, it's fine. I'm glad that they're implementing a daily reward system. ^_^ Hopefully it will turn out as awesome as it sounds! =D

[Greatguardian]

Those are cool claim tools. Do they read from memory, and trade the item before the ??? appears on the end users screen?

When BG of all places is able to say on multiple occasions in multiple threads that such bots straight up do not exist, you know they're probably a hoax. It's not like anyone on there cares enough these days to keep it "hush hush".

Using those macros, I often pop the NM before I ever see the ??? personally.

[Babekeke]

I don't remember which thread it was, but it was in these forums.... someone mentioned something called allseeingeye which I believe was a bot claim tool for such an instance like this.

[Greatguardian]

I don't remember which thread it was, but it was in these forums.... someone mentioned something called allseeingeye which I believe was a bot claim tool for such an instance like this.

I've brought up AllSeeingEye here, and no it's not a claim tool or a bot. It has no automated processes whatsoever. AllSeeingEye just lets you, well, see things. It lets you see corpses and dead mobs and that sort of thing. So, essentially, you can see the ??? even when it's down so it's already targeted when it spawns, but you won't know when it spawns so you'll just have to sit there spamming your macro on it anyways.

All in all, it's really not an actual advantage over a targetnpc macro, and it's extremely headache-inducing to use. Knowledge is power, guys.

[Babekeke]

I've brought up AllSeeingEye here, and no it's not a claim tool or a bot. It has no automated processes whatsoever. AllSeeingEye just lets you, well, see things. It lets you see corpses and dead mobs and that sort of thing. So, essentially, you can see the ??? even when it's down so it's already targeted when it spawns, but you won't know when it spawns so you'll just have to sit there spamming your macro on it anyways.

All in all, it's really not an actual advantage over a targetnpc macro, and it's extremely headache-inducing to use. Knowledge is power, guys.

[Alhanelem]

Gee, this has gone a little off tack now, hasn't it, lol. at least it summoned forth an ICHC pic...

[Nynja]

It's not like anyone on there cares enough these days to keep it "hush hush".

Nor do they have to worry to...considering I was talking to a GM about someone fleehacking, watching them fleehack WHILE talking to the GM, and the GM didnt do shit, just "report to STF lol". Really no point worrying about cheating when you can go it in the GM's face without repercussion.

[Taint2]

When BG of all places is able to say on multiple occasions in multiple threads that such bots straight up do not exist, you know they're probably a hoax. It's not like anyone on there cares enough these days to keep it "hush hush".

Using those macros, I often pop the NM before I ever see the ??? personally.

They 100% exist and no macro spamming will beat them. Unlike claiming mobs there is no claim delay for ???s.

[Babekeke]

Nor do they have to worry to...considering I was talking to a GM about someone fleehacking, watching them fleehack WHILE talking to the GM, and the GM didnt do shit, just "report to STF lol". Really no point worrying about cheating when you can go it in the GM's face without repercussion.

GMs only exist to help people with issues with the game these days, not issues with other players. Like when I couldn't solo Turul the other day because he was walking around aby Konshat, instead of flying. No name above his head and he had no interest in agroing me. I tried hitting him with AOE from ws on another mob, right next to him. Also tried /healing, but still nada. GM was helpful with this (though I'd given up by the time he helped, so fix might not have worked).

[Greatguardian]

They 100% exist and no macro spamming will beat them. Unlike claiming mobs there is no claim delay for ???s.

Lulz, for serious? Was the feature just tacked onto the existing big-names?

[Alhanelem]

Lulz, for serious? Was the feature just tacked onto the existing big-names?I hope you're being sarcastic. ASE is a huge advantage for getting ???s.

[Greatguardian]

I hope you're being sarcastic. ASE is a huge advantage for getting ???s.

Did you quote the wrong post? We weren't talking about ASE. And no, it's really really not.

[Alhanelem]

Did you quote the wrong post? We weren't talking about ASE. And no, it's really really not.

They 100% exist and no macro spamming will beat them. Unlike claiming mobs there is no claim delay for ???s.He's not? Sounds like it to me.

[Zagen]

He's not? Sounds like it to me.

GG's post was initially about ??? claim bots, no reference to ASE was in that post which is the one Taint2 quoted.

Also ASE as GG said only allows you to see the ??? so instead of using

/targetnpc
/item "Molted Scraps" <t>

You'd spam

/item "Molted Scraps" <t>

While locked on to the ???

The only advantage is if there happens to be a NPC in between you and the ??? or a chest on top of the ??? otherwise there is no advantage to targeting the ??? ahead of time.

[FrankReynolds]

Denying that ??? claim programs exist is silly. Why didn't you guys tell SE that before they went and spent all this time and money redesigning the entire monster spawn system for this game? Think how many years of headaches they could have saved themselves if they had only known that the "Those don't do anything" excuse would work when people complained about claim bots.

[Zagen]

Denying that ??? claim programs exist is silly. Why didn't you guys tell SE that before they went and spent all this time and money redesigning the entire monster spawn system for this game? Think how many years of headaches they could have saved themselves if they had only known that the "Those don't do anything" excuse would work when people complained about claim bots.

What "redesign" are you talking about? Do you mean the ones that were for congestion and have nothing to do with these bots you speak of?

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah, the congestion lol. ok.

[Nynja]

What "redesign" are you talking about? Do you mean the ones that were for congestion and have nothing to do with these bots you speak of?

You dont remember mobs spawning dead?
You dont remember the inclusion of "claim delay"?

[Zagen]

You dont remember mobs spawning dead?
You dont remember the inclusion of "claim delay"?

And what do those have to do with NMs spawned from ??? hmm?

[Greatguardian]

I think they're talking about the triple-??? redesign maybe? Or the ??? respawn timer which was adjusted when the timed NMs were brought down to 15 minutes? I'm not entirely sure, but they didn't implement any "Anti-Bot" measures that I'm aware of in either of these adjustments.

[Zagen]

I think they're talking about the triple-??? redesign maybe? Or the ??? respawn timer which was adjusted when the timed NMs were brought down to 15 minutes? I'm not entirely sure, but they didn't implement any "Anti-Bot" measures that I'm aware of in either of these adjustments.

I implied those updates, well the triple ??? and 1 min respawn at least I believe those were the same update. But those didn't do anything to combat what these mythical bots supposedly can do so I have no clue what changes were made to combat bots.

Oh maybe the change on the Land Kings...

[Leonlionheart]

Is there not a claim delay? Mobs can't spawn claimed anymore because you can't claim them until after a certain amount of time that they've been spawned.

That's why Amun was bugged for so long, and you'd have to claim him twice. (Maybe not why, but was the conclusion my LS came to.)

Wasn't that done a long time ago though <_<?

[Greatguardian]

Is there not a claim delay? Mobs can't spawn claimed anymore because you can't claim them until after a certain amount of time that they've been spawned.

That's why Amun was bugged for so long, and you'd have to claim him twice. (Maybe not why, but was the conclusion my LS came to.)

Wasn't that done a long time ago though <_<?

There is a claim delay for spawned monsters, but the concern at the moment is ???-spawned NMs. Amun/Mictlantechutli had an odd issue where initial actions wouldn't actually put the player on the primary hate list, forcing the NMs to act like secondary claimed mobs requiring 2 actions. It was really weird, but it shouldn't have been caused by the claim delay system.

[Leonlionheart]

Pretty certain that's what nynja was talking about anyway

[Logandor]

Do you think that instead of claiming everyday if we could set what our prize could be aside and it build up to a month for example and get something great for say a decent back piece or belt for all jobs use or something like that. Its a thought though not like it would be brought up to the table :(

[Greatguardian]

Do you think that instead of claiming everyday if we could set what our prize could be aside and it build up to a month for example and get something great for say a decent back piece or belt for all jobs use or something like that. Its a thought though not like it would be brought up to the table :(

They actually already discussed this being an option.

[Elexia]

So about that daily reward system.

[Ophannus]

Doubt the reward for saving up would be TOO good. Remember you're getting something for nothing, it's a daily reward and it's 'free'.

[Alhanelem]

There is a maximum on the number of points you can spend. You can't save up a million points and guarantee yourself something awesome by spending them all in one shot. The test server gaive a us a jillion points so we could test it out without taking a lot of time. We could only use a small fraction of our point pool on each attempt.

[Sappho]

I guess that I'm a little concerned by this whole deal.

Free stuff, just for logging into the game once a day? It confuses me. Sure, I'm just now coming back to FFXI after 24 months off (had a kid, you know real life stuff).

Sure, I have a lot less time to play now. No more 8 hour sessions of HNM farming. But, still, I find the time to do all of the fun things that I enjoy. What's the benefit of this new service?

Honestly, I looooove FFXI more than any other MMORPG that I have experienced, but since my return the game feels like it has stage 4 cancer. It's dying, it knows it is dying and it figures it might as well have a few wild weekends in Vegas before it goes. It makes me sad.

Just last night I was running a mule through Valkurm and I saw an actual, real, party of six players fighting flies and crabs. I almost pooped myself. I miss that part of the game.

Anyway, can someone explain what how this new service is going to improve this game that I love so much?

[Leonlionheart]

How it will improve the game?

It will drop a mat for the new version of "haubergeon", that piece of gear that if you don't have you are a lulz.

The drop rate will be 1/365, RA/EX, and the new gear piece will be made through synergy and will be ra/ex also.

Now you have to log in once a day for the rest of your life to get it, more moneys for SE.

Don't even get me started on the HQ rate.