View Full Version : Warrior or Samurai?
Seimore
10-29-2011, 06:43 AM
Hello, So yea... I'm trying to pick between the two but I don't really know...They're both heavy DDs that specialize in something (been playing hybrid classes my whole FFXI career) War is 45, sam is around 29 from a smn burn (yeah...yeah that long ago lol) I don't want to gimp either and such, and need a main...So I need to pick one to focus on and one only... They both seem equally interesting, I've researched a bit and such, I just don't really know the nitty gritty about both of them. Any suggestions or tips? Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
Oh and, sorry if this is the wrong section :X I didn't want to put it into the Warrior section, or the Samurai one, and seeing as there isn't a general Jobs forum, I'll just leave this here.
svengalis
10-29-2011, 08:17 AM
I would go with warrior for now. With current end game not many play or use samurai currently. Samurai is a good sub job for though.
Seimore
10-29-2011, 08:26 AM
Thanks, I noticed that as well...I remember when /sea all sam and the number was at least in the triple digits .-. yesterday it was like, 29
Warrior is probably the smarter choice
WAR for now I guess but you will find yourself looking at SAM when Abyssea isn't involved.
Mirage
10-29-2011, 08:39 AM
War is a monster inside abyssea, with sam lagging significantly behind. Outside however, I would say the two are pretty close, with sam ending up on top. Just level both, because with sam being less popular, getting gear for it is probably a bit faster.
Foldypaws
10-29-2011, 08:49 AM
Not necessarily representative, due to procs, etc. but in three fights against qilin the other day that I happened to parse, we had 2 uko wars, a non uko war a masa sam, and myself on drg with just a lang +3.
One of the uko wars consistantly did 24-25%, the other did about 12-13, and then the masa sam, the non ukko war, and myself all did 10-11.
The emp DDs were all in the same party so it wasn't that only one of them had buffs or anything, though I can't say what drinks/atmacites everyone was using.
If it's just "what does the most damage" I'd thus recommend war.
Seimore
10-29-2011, 10:46 AM
Well then...it appears War would be a better choice, good inside and outside of aby, more versatile ect. Thanks for the help guys
Arcon
10-29-2011, 02:58 PM
You should go with what you like more. I love WAR, because nothing says violence like a great axe to the face. SAM is just not my type.
If you wanna compare facts, remember to also compare the effort it takes. For WAR, you'll likely be asked to skill almost every weapon in the game, unless you wanna give up the versatility you mentioned. Also, to play WAR to full efficiency, you'll need more considerations for gear than for SAM.
SAM on the other hand is ugly. Just some facts.
Leonlionheart
10-29-2011, 03:04 PM
Depends what you want to do.
Abyssea? WAR.
Salvage? SAM.
VW? Both.
Want to tank? Lean towards SAM.
Want to rape face? Lean towards WAR.
You can do both on either job, yes, but SAM is way easier to cap PDT, which is the biggest thing you'll need. Masamune is also extremely easy, while Ukon, comparatively, is much harder.
I'd like to see these numbers where SAM comes out on top in terms of DD personally.
Krashport
10-29-2011, 03:14 PM
Take your time/turns playing both jobs and see which one you like the most, They are both very nice to play! ^^b
Taint2
10-30-2011, 04:01 AM
I'd like to see these numbers where SAM comes out on top in terms of DD personally.
Outside they are neck and neck. The WS frequency of a SAM now is nuts.
WAR is much easier to gear well.
Harukusan
10-30-2011, 04:09 AM
Outside they are neck and neck. The WS frequency of a SAM now is nuts.
WAR is much easier to gear well.
Not true at all. A great WAR will consistently come out significantly on top of all other DD, often by 10% if not more overall damage contribution, depending on the other jobs. This is for outside of Abyssea. Inside IDGAF. WAR is king.
Leonlionheart
10-30-2011, 04:16 AM
Outside they are neck and neck. The WS frequency of a SAM now is nuts.
WAR is much easier to gear well.
WAR is easier to gear? How so? Because WAR doesn't need 5hit? Even still it's not like buying tyrant ring hygenia stone and dusk gloves and getting +2 is hard. Maybe getting rose strap is "hard" because of the time you need to put into it, but in some ways the simplicity of Masamune makes up for it. SAM also has much more accessible PDT gear (15% from just head and body), and the rest is nearly, if not completely, the same as WAR.
Tsuneo
10-30-2011, 06:50 AM
I don't know getting an Armada Hauberk is still more of a pain than anything SAM has to get gear wise.
Greatguardian
10-30-2011, 06:52 AM
I don't know getting an Armada Hauberk is still more of a pain than anything SAM has to get gear wise.
Einherjar is pretty easily done with 6 people these days. Odin loves to drop Ebody.
Tsuneo
10-30-2011, 06:53 AM
I know I got my NQ Ebody from Odin like 2 years ago, but that's assuming anyone does Einherjar. I don't know anyone on my server that does Einherjar maybe when they revamp Einherjar there will be more people doing it. On top of all that there's still the fact of buying a Cursed Hauberk -1. Just pointing out there's way WAR is easier to gear than SAM.
Glacont
10-30-2011, 06:56 AM
Take your time/turns playing both jobs and see which one you like the most, They are both very nice to play! ^^b
Agree 100%
Greatguardian
10-30-2011, 06:57 AM
I know I got my NQ Ebody from Odin like 2 years ago, but that's assuming anyone does Einherjar. I don't know anyone on my server that does Einherjar maybe when they revamp Einherjar there will be more people doing it.
I'm pretty excited for the revamp, personally. Einherjar was one of my favorite events at 75 cap. Short, sweet, fun, and with my all-time favorite FFXI loot system.
It shouldn't be too bad to set up a static group, though. Lamps are really cheap now. My shell still does Einherjar once a week for fun, and typically lets people tag along for ichor if they ask nicely.
Taint2
10-30-2011, 06:58 AM
Not true at all. A great WAR will consistently come out significantly on top of all other DD, often by 10% if not more overall damage contribution, depending on the other jobs. This is for outside of Abyssea. Inside IDGAF. WAR is king.
Not true at all I play with 2 perfect geared. Ukon WARs everyday and they can be outdamaged by my perfect geared SAM and my perfect geared DRK outside.
SAM gear comes from many places. My TP set uses gear from salvage, abyssea, CB, CoP, KCBC, WoE and crafting.
WAR is almost all easy to get abyssea gear.
I enjoy WAR myself and have everything except Ukon but down playing SAM outside is just silly.
Leonlionheart
10-30-2011, 09:18 AM
Not true at all I play with 2 perfect geared. Ukon WARs everyday and they can be outdamaged by my perfect geared SAM and my perfect geared DRK outside.
SAM gear comes from many places. My TP set uses gear from salvage, abyssea, CB, CoP, KCBC, WoE and crafting.
WAR is almost all easy to get abyssea gear.
I enjoy WAR myself and have everything except Ukon but down playing SAM outside is just silly.
What are you fighting outside that DRK or SAM could possibly beat Ukko's?
Salvage?
Taint2
11-01-2011, 05:45 AM
What are you fighting outside that DRK or SAM could possibly beat Ukko's?
Salvage?
Mostly VW, Qilin, Akvan, Kaggen we do the most. Its not everytime but Ukon is not a blow out winner like it is in Abyssea. Vere MNKs hold their own as well inside and out.
Leonlionheart
11-01-2011, 06:23 AM
Mostly VW, Qilin, Akvan, Kaggen we do the most. Its not everytime but Ukon is not a blow out winner like it is in Abyssea. Vere MNKs hold their own as well inside and out.
Every SAM I've seen, including amano and masa, have been horrible at Kaggen. Can't say much for Qilin and Akvan because I lost faith in the job after Kaggen.
Nightfyre
11-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Dead DDs do no damage, as they say... Apoc has always been an amazing weapon for DDing in conditions where you can't necessarily go all-out; Ukon gives up a lot more when playing defensively than Apoc or Bravura for that matter. Verethragna gets Smite + Impetus, it's no wonder they stay strong on harder content outside Abyssea.
Taint2
11-01-2011, 11:07 PM
Every SAM I've seen, including amano and masa, have been horrible at Kaggen. Can't say much for Qilin and Akvan because I lost faith in the job after Kaggen.
Sounds like User error SAM should be parsing the best at Kaggen out of the 3 mobs mentioned...if they know what they are doing.
@Nightfyre - Apoc is a complete beast at Qilin. You aren't going to Hasso DD him without Fan up, and being able to cap haste with 3rd eye, and spam catas for drains is pretty owner.
Wheres the love for DRG here? T.T